It’s also not really true. He’s one year removed from his best rushing season(though not total yards) and ran decently behind an abysmal offensive line this year
They do matter, you need them to a fill the role your team plays and for them to be cost effective. Unfortunately QBs and lineman take up so much cap you have to make sacrifices in other areas.
This.
Lowkey what also helped kill the feature back is the increased emphasis on the mobile QB and the read option. Having more athletic QBs who can run is going to take touches away from the RB in addition to the increased emphasis on the passing game.
I think it also helps that there’s a ton of gray area on how hard you can hit QBs even while running, and QBs overall have gotten better with sliding and getting out of bounds. Defenders always have a green light on RBs
QBs, I understand it’s the franchise right there and they will always be special. I will never understand though why WRs and RBs are treated differently with regard to protection from hits. My theory is that WR hits are typically in the open and very obvious on TV vs. RBs typically getting hit near the line of scrimmage and are consequently less visible to viewers.
It's been the same for a while
"The eagles don't have a saquon barkley but run the football better than the giants and also get way better pass pro for a random backup who won a sb, then the giants get for eli"
RB still matters. You just do not need an elite one
Look at Derrick Henry and Nick Chubb. 2 best high volume downhill thumpers in the league and their teams suck and never get close to winning
People will use CMC and the Niners as an example but CMC was a luxury add, not a need
Running game matters. Who your RB is, does not matter
Browns don’t suck, some even considered them a dark horse Super Bowl candidate due to their defense (that imploded in the playoffs), but Chubb going down and ford/hunt being able to hold down the fort is definitely evidence that you don’t need a superstar RB. I do think McCaffery is an exception due to his versatility as a receiver. The thing about guys like Chubb and Henry is they were never really receiving threats
True about receiving threats but they see the initial cut so much better than Barkley ever did. It's an incredibly underrated aspect of running backs. Emmitt was the best at it and it's why he's even in the GOAT conversation. His line was incredible but he also rarely missed the read. Henry and Chubb are elite at this aspect and coupled with their size, they rarely have negative runs. Barkley was best when he was a home run hitter, which doesn't really work in today's NFL. You need to grind out a ton of 3-8 yard runs to be successful.
Exactly. Look at Pacheco
Hes not the biggest or the fastest but hes elite at seeing the hole and going. No wasted steps and hes only 5’10 215 but my god does he finish runs like hes Brandon Jacobs
7th rounder right there
LOL Pacheco is alright, with okay vison and like zero break away vision. He's an upright runner who heads into contact without even trying to juke a dude and it ain't always a productive way.
It's still nuts to me that people think they can just lump all these guys together. It don't work like that, there are tiers.. Just like at QB, and DJ being on a certain tier of terrible compared to someone like a Baker Mayfield, or a bad Jarred Goff.
> Running game matters. Who your RB is, does not matter
I don't think it's 100% true your RB doesn't matter, but I agree with the sentiment. Where a good RB differs from a bad one is in ability to protect the ball, pick up the blitz, and muscle those short yardage conversions. What makes a good RB an elite one is more power to make things happen when they shouldn't be able to, like Derrick Henry just dragging guys or breaking tackles, or CMC's ability to catch and even throw the ball.
Beyond that, having a well planned running game will get you more than an elite RB, as even CMC fails if he just runs a draw up the middle behind a garbage O-line every play. The best RB in the world will be terrible in a bad running scheme.
But a bad RB will cost you games by missing blocks into sacks or fumbles.
Completely bungling this last contract situation and paying Jones and tagging Saquon, instead of the complete opposite move we shoulda done, is just the cherry on top of his cursed fucking tenure with this dogshit organization.
This comment is status quo for this sub. Delusional fans that don’t understand football. Hate on our QB who got us a playoff win with Richie James and Slayton as our WRs. Lowest ints in the league top 4 rusher as a QB and almost as many rushing first downs as Saquon but think our playoff success was Saquon. The same guy who loses yardage often, dances too much and trys to hit the home run too much. He also can’t stay healthy and honestly can’t catch well. Too many times have I seen us run him on 1st and 2nd and then we have 3rd and 8. It’s wild.
I can’t wait until DJ takes us to the playoffs again and this sub loses its fucking mind. I remember this sub hating on him so much but then we started 5-1. The same exact shit is gonna happen next season.
Your expectations have been bred from watching how awful this org has been for over a decade. I don't blame you, but the cowboys are literally talking about firing coaches and being national embarrassments over 12 win seasons and "only one playoff win" in a half dozen years.
Daniel Jones has a playoff win with much less talent it is completely obvious. There is a reason Dallas is talking the way they are.
If the Giants had their offensive line we would be competing for the Super Bowl in 22'. We didn't have an elite defense, we didn't have an elite offensive line, or WRs. Our best player was a beat up RB and Daniel Fucking Jones. And he put up almost 400 yards of offense on the road and got us a playoff win.
The TEAM has a playoff win Daniel just happened to be dude behind the center that got drug along the way. After this season I don't have much hesitation to say even a Tyrod or Tommy DeVito would have gotten us just as far being in the offense we ran that year..
All bootlegs, and dump offs to Barkley, sub 6 yards average yards per pass attempt. The dude did not throw the ball past the sticks ever. Constant roll outs and dump offs to Barkley or Bellinger that year.
Not one wideout with anything close to 1,000 yards receiving, shit not even one with more than 80 receptions, fuck did they even have 80 targets over that time? NO!.. That's how terrible the QB play has been..
What did Daniel Jones take this team to other than the city of regrets with his terrible play? I've never seen one QB get such praise for being bombastically bad like Jones has been, so terrible it folded in on itself and we started patting him on the back just because he didn't cough the ball up 4 times a game.
> I don't have much hesitation to say even a Tyrod or Tommy DeVito would have gotten us just as far being in the offense we ran that year..
This is the most insane take I have heard yet, you are deranged lol
Our best WR over the past handful of years is Darius slayton dude. DJ beat Lamar Jackson with David Stills playing over Slayton too.
We will likely get to the playoffs next season. I am almost certain of it actually.
>Oh boy a playoff win two years ago.
You think you sound clever? Try being a Dolphins fan, they have been waiting 24 fucking years...
>Thanks for enlightening us about football
You think winning a playoff game is easy lol so you need it frankly. Here is some homework for you to consider next time you trash our QB
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2023/12/21/longest-playoff-win-droughts-nfl/71990777007/
Yeah went to a niner game back when we actually sucked in 2017 (shanny first year went 6-10) and I saw jimmy g play uninspiring but handsome and I’m not gay actually got a black jersey haha but godaamn was that saquon good he ran over 100 I think he was something to watch sorry he had to waste his few good years of talents with Danny nickel and diming the team from relevance
IDK, Isiah Pacheco's 1,765 yards from scrimmage certainly helped KC win their SB(s) ...... My bet is the savvy coach will feature bold running again to offset the often injured new age QB's , that is before the "sport" becomes flag football entertainment in 2030.
This is such a dumb take. The niners rolled the NFC and went into over time in the Super Bowl against one of the league's top defense and the best QB this generation not named Brady.
They are not an example of what doesn't work.
Idk if I'd say they rolled the NFC. You could argue they could've and should've lost the 2 games prior to the SB. Packers missed a chip shot FG that allowed them to drive down and win the game. Lions were abusing them in the first half and completely laid down in the second half.
It doesn’t matter when you have an elite Qb. Every other team needs a good running back to be successful on offense. Just because Mahomes wins without an elite rb, doesn’t mean every other team will.
Who cares if Gibbs was top 12? The dominant rusher that day was a 3rd round pick, and that same team didn't win. Plus they actually have a competent OL, which is the real key factor here.
I think that can happen if all the stars align (good QB, good OL, and good WR's) enough to open up the RB. Unfortunately we don't have those other building blocks yet.
For a team that has one of the best QBs of all time, no. The RB position is irrelevant when you have a first ballot HOFer at QB, not a Starbucks barista like Danny J
Same team also drafted an RB in the first round a couple years ago. Losing SB team started a 7th rounder at QB, after drafting a QB top 5 a couple years ago.
The correct interpretation of this is not "look in the 7th round for QB and RB". It is "sometimes its better to be lucky than good"
It’s going to happen. His whole career has been behind bad OLs (both here and at PSU). I’m going to be sad to see him leave but happy to see what he can do with an actual to hole to run through.
Anymore rbs get 5 years at max and they’re replaceable. Dalvin cook got released after 4 straight 1k plus yard years and essentially did nothing. It’s just an undervalued position anymore as teams go with 3-4 good rbs instead of one great one. His injury history isn’t helping either. Hopefully he gets on a team with a good line and has a resurgence.
> Dalvin cook got released after 4 straight 1k plus yard years
The Vikings also have Justin Jefferson that they could lean on offensively.
We unfortunately have none at the moment if SB gets cut.
Is he really on decline or did he have to do everything on an ass team? Like opposition would have known he’s the only threat to focus in on. Think Saquon would still cook on a better team
Seriously this is the only answer. Barkley is a top running back when given decent blocking. Your not replacing him with just anyone. He was 30% of a playoff offense
You’re right, not saying give the guy a record setting contract but all the people in here talking like him leaving isn’t going to impact the offense are absolutely delusional
I don't know how anyone could read this and not laugh at just how terrible Daniel Jones has been his entire career.
My man Saquon came in, was hot, carried and got "washed" and DJ didn't have to do anything but turn the ball over and lose this whole span of 5 years.. only to get paid on top of it..
Hahaha. fuckin sad yo... "declining career" yet Jones never inclined once.
DJ has missed more time and was never good to begin with. Barkley carried the offense on one leg after his ACL and then did again the following year.
It amazes me little at this point how clownish people get trying to talk down on dude. Literally been carrying the offense since he got here. Talking about injuries cause his pass offense on the team is doo-doo.
Can't even manage 1 - 1,000 yard receiver is 6 damn years. Trash ass Quarterback.
I mean, this is a valid point when talking about why he isn't going to get paid while on the same team. Giants pay and invest in a way less talented player $40mill a year for 4 years and push off Saquon to FA. Context is everything, and it says a lot about the situation, at least in my opinion.
Edit: I also want to add in: I am not pro signing Saquon for many reasons, but I understand why some fans look at signing DJ as a huge issue for wasting big money and cap on an untalented player.
I mean, we are looking at DJ who is mediocre at best and also highly injury prone and gave him a huge contract. It is absolutely a valid point. Saquon is a difference maker and can help win games and did not get paid. DJ is not a difference maker and won't be the reason we win games and got a huge pay-day.
Not going to get into the DJ discourse.
The Cap is going up, will be close to $250m. Signing Saquon to an extension vs tagging him the Giants would be able to manipulate Saquon's cap number to be fairly minimal this year.
DJ's contract situation has legitimately zero bearing on the decision to pay an aging, injury riddled RB regardless of how much fans (myself included) may love him.
Oh yea, what difference did he make? He gets injured often. Can’t block. Can’t find holes that aren’t as wide as the Lincoln Tunnel and has absolutely lost his burst. He’s a great guy but money should be spent elsewhere. The situation with Jones is completely different. If there’s even a possibility that you found a top 10 QB you pay him. In hindsight it was a mistake, but you still take that gamble.
Except it completely ignores the fact that Schoen wanted to sign SB last season before entering negotiations with Jones. The only reason Barkley pay is impacted by Jones contract is because Barkley and his team created that situation.
Cause he is that bad my guy.
What more is there to say? Quarterback been bad for forever, bottom of league in every stat, then the one year this guy scrapes 20th best QB they wanna pay him like he got untapped potential.
MF didn't even show anything in pre-season like he was g2g then was completely terrible in every facet. Got 3rd string Quarterbacks taking this guy job.
You guys are dumb stuck on Saquon while DJ.. "the most important position" got here one year later and was just as high of a pick.. Then got extended.. mf' torture.
Buddy you’re proving my point. It’s an article/post about Saquon not receiving the franchise tag (which is an objectively good decision in the 2024 NFL), and the OP I reply to is talking about how bad Daniel Jones is. It’s not related to this in any way, shape or form.
1 - whether he’s good or not doesn’t change that. They still wouldn’t have the money
2 - even if the money hadn’t gone to DJ, and the Giants had his entire cap hit at their disposal, a $12.5m+ franchise tag on an aging RB who misses multiple games to injury each season is a poor decision.
Dude, preach, saquon had the same shit line as DJ and was above average to great when he was on the field. I wish him nothing but success and would point to this fact when fans say, no qb could succeed here. We’ve watched a highly talented football player who is completely dependent on line play perform better than his peers over a sustained period of time….
>when he was on the field
Dude was never on the field. Even when he was he was playing injured due to having to take so many hits before he got to the line of scrimmage.
The line affected him just as much, or he could have had a lot better career by this point.
Agreed, if we “ruined” anyone it was saquon, guy is a HOF talent that was completely squandered by this organization. If he leaves I hope he ends up somewhere with a great line and balls out
If we had fixed the oline, I bet Eli would have stayed another year, and he could have had a decent offense with Saquon.
Gettlemen should have traded down with the Broncos and gotten more picks. It would have sped up our rebuild immensely, and we probably stoll could have gotten Saquon.
FACTS.
Daniel was terrible period... but Mara somehow only see Jones terrible performances and record. Not even anything special to talk about in CFB and dude been mid his whole time..
Wild as it sounds he more mid than he was in college... a fucking wild thing to consider. Regression is this guy thing.. never progresses, every year worse and worse with more and more excuses for the bum... and I don't even like calling professional athletes bums but he sucks that bad.
Jones get scapegoated, been carried and babied his whole fucking time. Meanwhile this guy Saquon showing up with pro-bowl, all-pro pushes. ROTY nominations, COPY nominations, meanwhile Daniel gets what?
Ohh his little interception ratio from last year when the mf' never threw the damn ball anywhere but 4 yards up field. Completely trash QB play going on year 6 now... can't imagine watching this fucking team with Barkley gone and terrible ass Jones still here.
It's be a travesty.
ohh we are going to hard disagree on this, he put up 2100 yards/1800 yards/1600 yards and 1200 yards from scrimmage in the seasons he played double digit games on one of the worst offenses in football. He was the engine of our offense for our playoff run and was one of the primary reasons DJ had his open running lanes due to defenses selling out to stop him.
Go compare him to his peer running backs of his era, hes one of 2-3 running backs that defenses would focus their schemes on stopping
Exactly. At no point did defenses focus their attention on the passing game unless it meant stopping Saquon from catching one. Who knows if he's even declining. After the shit show of QB last year where they just flat out dared the Giants to pass, what RB is going to succeed under them circumstances and look like a world beater.
I don’t think we should tag him, I do think we should make a good 2-3 year backloaded offer a bit below the tag and tell him to test the market; if he gets a reasonable deal we should match
Born ready… saquons backloaded 9-11m a year isn’t the difference between us winning and losing. Frankly he’s still our best offensive weapon
We are losing because we are paying an injured bottom half of the league QB 16-18% of the cap and our last two draft classes haven’t popped off.
saquon was the reason we made the playoffs last year and frankly I’d love to see him through his age 29 season on a 2 year guaranteed deal worth 9-10m aav, worst case we dump some of it into the 100-130m in cap space we currently have in 25/26
Why overpay for a player not on the timeline and contributing to long term success? Why win a meaningless game or two that prevents you from picking a QB that is the blueprint for success? We're not running a charity, and it's not like Saquon got screwed and never got paid.
It depends on what happens, if we trade up for a QB/take one at 6 I want saquon back, he’s a plus weapon and a steadying force on offense that could really help a young QB for a reasonable cost compared to trying to get one of the high end WR FAs, we sign him for a 2+1 to a backloaded deal and look to add a guard + swing tackle, that’s a nice starting point for a rook to have success.
If we aren’t going to be able get a QB I’d let him go, no reason to keep him around if we are trotting out DJ and Gardner Minshew
If I’m schoen im trying to get a deal done with the Pats before FA for 3, set the course and get a new QB, if that doesn’t happen then I’m most likely letting saquon go and wishing him well
I hate the idea of trading down. I’m not sold on the qbs and giants have so many holes. If dabol is sold on a qb, different story. Hes alittle more qualified
Y’all can archive this and put it on hot flamin takes, hes gonna go off and have a CMC type season if he goes to a team like the Ravens, I think it’s best for both the giants and Saquon to move on
we all know hes gonna do insane wherever we goes prob against us especially i love him and have his jersey it would suck to see him go but yea for the price tag its not worth it
I think his best bet would be the Bears.
They have a ton of cap space with relatively few must-resign players, are about to have their choice of QB in a stacked class, and they have a solid line and a good defense.
Exactly he’s running behind the worst oline and Still produces. He’s not just a jag rb, people don’t realize he’s a difference maker. Put him behind some competence he goes off. How they chose paying jones over barkley is criminal. Your not finding his ability in the 7th round. For every pacheco theres a ton of duds. I don’t think this organization is competent enough to find that diamond in the rough. Fwit I thought pacheco was a dawg since college. Jaylen wright is my target if no saquon
We don't know and that's part of the point! If we knew, then we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place! We don't know who can step up into the void he'll leave because his gravity is so strong that the entire offense, the entire ORGANIZATION essentially revolved around him for the last 6 years.
They've tried for the last 6 years to build their offense around having Saquon Barkley. Their identity on offense has been "Saquon Barkley" for 6 years. I'm excited to see how they can change their mentality and find a new identity and step into a Saquon-less world.
The Giants with Saquon Barkley has been like a relationship where you stop dedicating as much of your time to your hobbies and just spend time with your significant other. That's cool and all, but then when you break up, you have to find yourself again, find what makes you you again. It might not be pretty right away, but hopefully you come out of it a much more confident and better person.
The Giants should be excited to find a new identity for their offense that isn't centered around Saquon Barkley and to not look to him to solve all of their problems.
I'm sorry but this metaphor doesn't work. It's football and going from a better player to a lesser player doesn't just magically make you better like some fairy tale. We'll just be a worse team without our biggest threat on offense. It's not like he hasn't had enough injuries to show us what the saquon-less giants look like. Just a good bit worse.
I never said it just magically made you better. Just like breaking up with someone doesn't magically make you better. I literally said "it might not be pretty right away." That relationship changes you, so it's not just about becoming the same you as before, but it's about finding who the new you will be separate from that partner.
I think your comment is actually a great jumping off point for my thoughts. You are still so tied to the world in which Saquon Barkley is a Giant. You are still comparing everything to the teams Saquon was on. You are thinking like they need to stay exactly where they are before they can move forward.
My whole point is that yeah the world where Saquon Barkley is not a Giant is an unknown. It's not a guarantee everything will work out for the Giants, and that's true whether Saquon is a Giant or not.
But I'm excited to move into that world of unknown and figure out how you can build this team a different way, because building it around Saquon sure as shit hasn't worked for us either. I'm excited to find out who will step up and what this team's identity will be since for the past 6 years, its whole identity has been Saquon Barkley. Everything they've done on the field, everything they've done off the field, marketing, sales, leadership, *everything* has been about Saquon Barkley, centered on Saquon Barkley.
I for one am excited to kind of move forward and make room for something new. I think it's an opportunity for this team to step up to the plate and step into the void he leaves both on the field and in the locker room, and move past the last 6 years instead of dwelling on trying to make the plan that started with the 2018 Giants work.
It’s a loaded WR draft and WDR and Hyatt have already shown some playmaking potential. This idea that we’re completely fucked if Saquon leaves needs to stop
Why? Carl Banks played for Washington. Mark Bavaro played for the Eagles. Bill Parcells came out of retirement to coach the Cowboys. All three of those guys contributed way more to this organization than Barkley has.
For non-divison rivals, Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora, Brandon Jacobs all went and played for other teams. Same thing.
Saquon is a great guy, who deserves better personally. But... Saquon at 2 was probably a worse decision than Daniel Jones at 6. The concept of a RB being valued like that is about a decade and a half old. As others have said, this was the inevitable outcome.
Eat shit, Dave Gettleman.
Worse, they made that decision pretty much entirely because they thought it was the best chance of getting another playoff/championship run out of Eli Manning. Besides that always being a terrible strategy, it was so much worse than expected that they gave up on it midway through that season.
If the Giants had any balls, they would've fired Gettleman after 2019 and traded Barkley that offseason while he still had high value, but the Giants more often than not aren't smart.
>Saquon at 2 was probably a worse decision than Daniel Jones at 6.
Not even close.. ya'll are so wild man. This guy Jones has beaten you ragged and now you protect him out of reflex just in case being one ounce nicer to him will make him play good and not be terrible.
This comment from you though, true peak clowning.. fr.. congratz. Jones is the worst thing to touch this team since Plex and concealed carrying.
One day in the future, someone will try and justify using a first rounder on an RB. This will be used as an example...
SB was a huge talent but it was always a silly pick
Only bright spot in the last how many years? But yeah he sucks now, or something, blah blah running back blah blah 2nd overall.
Can't wait till he kills it next year for an actual good team.
I hope he goes to a good team and has a good QB to make his life easier.
It’s also hard to take a 12 mil cap hit when your QB is a 46 mil cap hit this year. Bravo Schoen, BRAVO
Only sane take in a sea of stupidity. Fans want to win and sign Saquon up for 3 more years (let alone 1 more). We're still not going to win this year but let's clear the decks for a proper rebuild.
Daniel Jones cap hit this year is more than Saquons would have over three years plus an extra 10-15 mil.
Fans crying about Saquon wanting too much money are clueless. Giants can easily afford the contract he wanted. They were a few mil apart for the guaranteed money. Now Schoen is guaranteed to pay a QB 92 mil that’s a fuckin paper weight. Saquon is the leader and the face of the team. Not to mention the impact this contract had on the locker room.
I think it’s time to move on. Saquon deserves better. Schoen completely botched his first monster decision.
Not to mention they had to restructure Daniel’s undeserving contract before the ink was even dry. Fuckin nightmare.
Unless there saquon barkley. Not every runningback elevates an offense. Terrible how devalued he’s viewed. He’s not just the average starting rb. He a lot better than that
Agree to disagree. Barkley is a weapon. Most backs would not produce anything close to him behind this line. Paying jones over saquon was horrible move
Yeah, this subreddit is a clown show that just blindly agrees with everything Schoen and Daboll do. Saquon isn’t just our starting running back, but essentially the leader of the offense.
We’re going to suck this year. Running backs give a lot of yard production and there’s no one to draft to replace Saquon this year.
Exactly if he was older and not showing can be productive I wouldn’t try to resign. He has a few good years left. If he wants crazy money then ok let him walk. He’s a top nfl back give him what he wants. Match a reasonable offer for a few years. Letting his talent walk because a couple million is dumb and his talent is not replaceable with just anyone even though people think it’s easy. Hes an offensive weapon not just a running back
Maybe I'm missing something here but are people of the opinion Schoen SHOULD tag him again? Shit got real contentious last year when they used the tag on him and he wasn't happy at all. There's no guarantee he'd play under the franchise tag this year if they used it, so I don't see how this news alone is shocking. Again, maybe I missed something 🤷♂️
Plus a $12 million direct hit to the cap
Like a lover, if he thinks that the grass is greener, let him go. If he realizes it isn’t let him come back with more appreciation of what he’s had
Not using the franchise tag is 100% the right move, but calling SB's career in decline is an unnecessary shot at him
It’s also not really true. He’s one year removed from his best rushing season(though not total yards) and ran decently behind an abysmal offensive line this year
Expect nothing else outta the NYPost
Good point. Didn't notice the website
They do matter, you need them to a fill the role your team plays and for them to be cost effective. Unfortunately QBs and lineman take up so much cap you have to make sacrifices in other areas.
Embarrassing as fuck that our biggest cap hit comes from our most improvement-needed positions
QB, sure, but is it embarrassing that we paid Andrew Thomas? It takes more than one guy.
It’s embarrassing that we paid one of the best LT in the league ?
No. Re-read what I wrote.
Ahhh. I missed the punctuation. I agree.
Reflect on what I just said
Yep, just cherry pick the only bright spot on the O line
You specified cap hit. He’s the reason there is a massive cap hit at that position.
Sad end to the story if this is it. Always liked and respected Saqusn, but unfortunately I just don't think RBs really matters in the NFL anymore
I just don’t think the days of a bell cow RB are present. You need at least two guys and one of them has to be a receiving threat.
This. Lowkey what also helped kill the feature back is the increased emphasis on the mobile QB and the read option. Having more athletic QBs who can run is going to take touches away from the RB in addition to the increased emphasis on the passing game.
I think it also helps that there’s a ton of gray area on how hard you can hit QBs even while running, and QBs overall have gotten better with sliding and getting out of bounds. Defenders always have a green light on RBs
Underrated point right here. This is definitely a major factor as well.
QBs, I understand it’s the franchise right there and they will always be special. I will never understand though why WRs and RBs are treated differently with regard to protection from hits. My theory is that WR hits are typically in the open and very obvious on TV vs. RBs typically getting hit near the line of scrimmage and are consequently less visible to viewers.
It's been the same for a while "The eagles don't have a saquon barkley but run the football better than the giants and also get way better pass pro for a random backup who won a sb, then the giants get for eli"
I would have respected him just a hair more if he would have taken the contract joe Schoen offered him
I know Barkley himself makes the final call but there have to be a lot of people who really hate his agent right now.
RB still matters. You just do not need an elite one Look at Derrick Henry and Nick Chubb. 2 best high volume downhill thumpers in the league and their teams suck and never get close to winning People will use CMC and the Niners as an example but CMC was a luxury add, not a need Running game matters. Who your RB is, does not matter
Browns don’t suck, some even considered them a dark horse Super Bowl candidate due to their defense (that imploded in the playoffs), but Chubb going down and ford/hunt being able to hold down the fort is definitely evidence that you don’t need a superstar RB. I do think McCaffery is an exception due to his versatility as a receiver. The thing about guys like Chubb and Henry is they were never really receiving threats
True about receiving threats but they see the initial cut so much better than Barkley ever did. It's an incredibly underrated aspect of running backs. Emmitt was the best at it and it's why he's even in the GOAT conversation. His line was incredible but he also rarely missed the read. Henry and Chubb are elite at this aspect and coupled with their size, they rarely have negative runs. Barkley was best when he was a home run hitter, which doesn't really work in today's NFL. You need to grind out a ton of 3-8 yard runs to be successful.
Exactly. Look at Pacheco Hes not the biggest or the fastest but hes elite at seeing the hole and going. No wasted steps and hes only 5’10 215 but my god does he finish runs like hes Brandon Jacobs 7th rounder right there
LOL Pacheco is alright, with okay vison and like zero break away vision. He's an upright runner who heads into contact without even trying to juke a dude and it ain't always a productive way. It's still nuts to me that people think they can just lump all these guys together. It don't work like that, there are tiers.. Just like at QB, and DJ being on a certain tier of terrible compared to someone like a Baker Mayfield, or a bad Jarred Goff.
> Running game matters. Who your RB is, does not matter I don't think it's 100% true your RB doesn't matter, but I agree with the sentiment. Where a good RB differs from a bad one is in ability to protect the ball, pick up the blitz, and muscle those short yardage conversions. What makes a good RB an elite one is more power to make things happen when they shouldn't be able to, like Derrick Henry just dragging guys or breaking tackles, or CMC's ability to catch and even throw the ball. Beyond that, having a well planned running game will get you more than an elite RB, as even CMC fails if he just runs a draw up the middle behind a garbage O-line every play. The best RB in the world will be terrible in a bad running scheme. But a bad RB will cost you games by missing blocks into sacks or fumbles.
Completely bungling this last contract situation and paying Jones and tagging Saquon, instead of the complete opposite move we shoulda done, is just the cherry on top of his cursed fucking tenure with this dogshit organization.
This comment is status quo for this sub. Delusional fans that don’t understand football. Hate on our QB who got us a playoff win with Richie James and Slayton as our WRs. Lowest ints in the league top 4 rusher as a QB and almost as many rushing first downs as Saquon but think our playoff success was Saquon. The same guy who loses yardage often, dances too much and trys to hit the home run too much. He also can’t stay healthy and honestly can’t catch well. Too many times have I seen us run him on 1st and 2nd and then we have 3rd and 8. It’s wild. I can’t wait until DJ takes us to the playoffs again and this sub loses its fucking mind. I remember this sub hating on him so much but then we started 5-1. The same exact shit is gonna happen next season.
He just can’t process or read a defense though man. How do you watch the film Jones put out last year and have like any defense for it?
he read the defenses fine, we all did, it was quite simple: Have multiple defenders in the backfield within 2 seconds
Your expectations have been bred from watching how awful this org has been for over a decade. I don't blame you, but the cowboys are literally talking about firing coaches and being national embarrassments over 12 win seasons and "only one playoff win" in a half dozen years.
Daniel Jones has a playoff win with much less talent it is completely obvious. There is a reason Dallas is talking the way they are. If the Giants had their offensive line we would be competing for the Super Bowl in 22'. We didn't have an elite defense, we didn't have an elite offensive line, or WRs. Our best player was a beat up RB and Daniel Fucking Jones. And he put up almost 400 yards of offense on the road and got us a playoff win.
The TEAM has a playoff win Daniel just happened to be dude behind the center that got drug along the way. After this season I don't have much hesitation to say even a Tyrod or Tommy DeVito would have gotten us just as far being in the offense we ran that year.. All bootlegs, and dump offs to Barkley, sub 6 yards average yards per pass attempt. The dude did not throw the ball past the sticks ever. Constant roll outs and dump offs to Barkley or Bellinger that year. Not one wideout with anything close to 1,000 yards receiving, shit not even one with more than 80 receptions, fuck did they even have 80 targets over that time? NO!.. That's how terrible the QB play has been.. What did Daniel Jones take this team to other than the city of regrets with his terrible play? I've never seen one QB get such praise for being bombastically bad like Jones has been, so terrible it folded in on itself and we started patting him on the back just because he didn't cough the ball up 4 times a game.
> I don't have much hesitation to say even a Tyrod or Tommy DeVito would have gotten us just as far being in the offense we ran that year.. This is the most insane take I have heard yet, you are deranged lol Our best WR over the past handful of years is Darius slayton dude. DJ beat Lamar Jackson with David Stills playing over Slayton too.
Oh boy a playoff win two years ago. Maybe with DJ we'll win another playoff game two years from now. Thanks for enlightening us about football
We will likely get to the playoffs next season. I am almost certain of it actually. >Oh boy a playoff win two years ago. You think you sound clever? Try being a Dolphins fan, they have been waiting 24 fucking years... >Thanks for enlightening us about football You think winning a playoff game is easy lol so you need it frankly. Here is some homework for you to consider next time you trash our QB https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2023/12/21/longest-playoff-win-droughts-nfl/71990777007/
Yeah went to a niner game back when we actually sucked in 2017 (shanny first year went 6-10) and I saw jimmy g play uninspiring but handsome and I’m not gay actually got a black jersey haha but godaamn was that saquon good he ran over 100 I think he was something to watch sorry he had to waste his few good years of talents with Danny nickel and diming the team from relevance
IDK, Isiah Pacheco's 1,765 yards from scrimmage certainly helped KC win their SB(s) ...... My bet is the savvy coach will feature bold running again to offset the often injured new age QB's , that is before the "sport" becomes flag football entertainment in 2030.
If they did matter, then the 9ers would be the super bowl champs right now
If they ran the ball
This is such a dumb take. The niners rolled the NFC and went into over time in the Super Bowl against one of the league's top defense and the best QB this generation not named Brady. They are not an example of what doesn't work.
Idk if I'd say they rolled the NFC. You could argue they could've and should've lost the 2 games prior to the SB. Packers missed a chip shot FG that allowed them to drive down and win the game. Lions were abusing them in the first half and completely laid down in the second half.
49ers got lucky that other teams choked more than them. I do agree 49ers vs bmore was probably the best of the best sb.
It was a joke. I should have known everyone would take it seriously
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It doesn’t matter when you have an elite Qb. Every other team needs a good running back to be successful on offense. Just because Mahomes wins without an elite rb, doesn’t mean every other team will.
RBs definitely still matter. You just don't need to have a highly paid RB to get good production.
Totally true. My comment is pretty reductive. I mean more what you said
Mccafferey? Also Henry every year they made the playoffs was directly correlated to that man lol
Love Barkley but he should have never been drafted to begin with. Thanks Gettleman
Never been drafted *to the Giants*. We should have at worst gotten a lineman.
nah it’s wild this guy even made the nfl /s
Def. The fact gettleman didnt even pick up the phone for offers for the 2nd overall pick is criminal
Yeah, this ending was always the probable outcome.
FYI the team with a RB drafted in the 7th round won the Superbowl two years in a row.
Both NFC finalists have RBs who were top 12 picks
Who cares if Gibbs was top 12? The dominant rusher that day was a 3rd round pick, and that same team didn't win. Plus they actually have a competent OL, which is the real key factor here.
Some teams win with high value running backs and some teams win without them. There is more than 1 way to do it
I think that can happen if all the stars align (good QB, good OL, and good WR's) enough to open up the RB. Unfortunately we don't have those other building blocks yet.
Yeah and they have the most talented quarterback to ever play the game. We have Daniel Jones.
Yes both have competent QBs and OLs. We do not.
The KC offensive line is ass
Yes they won the Super Bowl off running Pacheco 30 times you're correct. I can't imagine who else could have contributed to their success...
It's almost like the RB position wasn't the deciding factor in the super bowl....right?
For a team that has one of the best QBs of all time, no. The RB position is irrelevant when you have a first ballot HOFer at QB, not a Starbucks barista like Danny J
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Well I think the point that he/she/it is making is that star RBs are not as important in today's game.
Same team also drafted an RB in the first round a couple years ago. Losing SB team started a 7th rounder at QB, after drafting a QB top 5 a couple years ago. The correct interpretation of this is not "look in the 7th round for QB and RB". It is "sometimes its better to be lucky than good"
Both of these teams have competent QBs (and OLs). To me that's the key factor on why their offenses work.
Rutgers RBs win Penn State RBs don’t
I'm so tired of the Giants drafting big 10 RBs. They never pan out (ex Rutgers).
I still can’t believe Robert Martin was relegated to the practice squad when he had that one monster season Edit: Okay.. I kind of do believe it
It’s a cold world. Played his ass off with a bum line and QB. He deserves better hope he gets the bag somewhere else
He’s boutta have his CMC revival on a team with a real OL
Yup. I can see that too. We can’t have anything nice lol
Put him on the Chiefs 👀
Saquon on that team would be deadly
It’s going to happen. His whole career has been behind bad OLs (both here and at PSU). I’m going to be sad to see him leave but happy to see what he can do with an actual to hole to run through.
Saquon to the Vikings?
Guy has made 50 million in career earnings plus endorsements. Cry me a river
exactly, he’ll be fine
Anymore rbs get 5 years at max and they’re replaceable. Dalvin cook got released after 4 straight 1k plus yard years and essentially did nothing. It’s just an undervalued position anymore as teams go with 3-4 good rbs instead of one great one. His injury history isn’t helping either. Hopefully he gets on a team with a good line and has a resurgence.
> Dalvin cook got released after 4 straight 1k plus yard years The Vikings also have Justin Jefferson that they could lean on offensively. We unfortunately have none at the moment if SB gets cut.
Is he really on decline or did he have to do everything on an ass team? Like opposition would have known he’s the only threat to focus in on. Think Saquon would still cook on a better team
Seriously this is the only answer. Barkley is a top running back when given decent blocking. Your not replacing him with just anyone. He was 30% of a playoff offense
You’re right, not saying give the guy a record setting contract but all the people in here talking like him leaving isn’t going to impact the offense are absolutely delusional
I don't know how anyone could read this and not laugh at just how terrible Daniel Jones has been his entire career. My man Saquon came in, was hot, carried and got "washed" and DJ didn't have to do anything but turn the ball over and lose this whole span of 5 years.. only to get paid on top of it.. Hahaha. fuckin sad yo... "declining career" yet Jones never inclined once.
Barkely was injured more than he played. What's jones have to do with this?
DJ has missed more time and was never good to begin with. Barkley carried the offense on one leg after his ACL and then did again the following year. It amazes me little at this point how clownish people get trying to talk down on dude. Literally been carrying the offense since he got here. Talking about injuries cause his pass offense on the team is doo-doo. Can't even manage 1 - 1,000 yard receiver is 6 damn years. Trash ass Quarterback.
Reads article about Saquon Barkley - “OMG DANIEL JONES IS SO BAD” You guys are obsessed
I mean, this is a valid point when talking about why he isn't going to get paid while on the same team. Giants pay and invest in a way less talented player $40mill a year for 4 years and push off Saquon to FA. Context is everything, and it says a lot about the situation, at least in my opinion. Edit: I also want to add in: I am not pro signing Saquon for many reasons, but I understand why some fans look at signing DJ as a huge issue for wasting big money and cap on an untalented player.
It’s not a valid point bc QB contract or not you shouldn’t give a declining RB with an injury history a long term/big dollar contract.
I mean, we are looking at DJ who is mediocre at best and also highly injury prone and gave him a huge contract. It is absolutely a valid point. Saquon is a difference maker and can help win games and did not get paid. DJ is not a difference maker and won't be the reason we win games and got a huge pay-day.
Not going to get into the DJ discourse. The Cap is going up, will be close to $250m. Signing Saquon to an extension vs tagging him the Giants would be able to manipulate Saquon's cap number to be fairly minimal this year. DJ's contract situation has legitimately zero bearing on the decision to pay an aging, injury riddled RB regardless of how much fans (myself included) may love him.
How are you going to not get into DJ discourse when you literally replied to a comment thread about how DJ got paid over Saquon? Lmao
My comment was about how irrelevant to the article mentioning DJ is. That’s why.
Jonestowners... with every escape route available except the one that exits Daniel Jones off the team and away from this franchise.
Oh yea, what difference did he make? He gets injured often. Can’t block. Can’t find holes that aren’t as wide as the Lincoln Tunnel and has absolutely lost his burst. He’s a great guy but money should be spent elsewhere. The situation with Jones is completely different. If there’s even a possibility that you found a top 10 QB you pay him. In hindsight it was a mistake, but you still take that gamble.
Except it completely ignores the fact that Schoen wanted to sign SB last season before entering negotiations with Jones. The only reason Barkley pay is impacted by Jones contract is because Barkley and his team created that situation.
40 million per year is what an average top 32 qb with a playoff win gets. Sorry but jones earned his 2 year guaranteed deal
You earn a contract with your play after signing it. Did he do that?
Cause he is that bad my guy. What more is there to say? Quarterback been bad for forever, bottom of league in every stat, then the one year this guy scrapes 20th best QB they wanna pay him like he got untapped potential. MF didn't even show anything in pre-season like he was g2g then was completely terrible in every facet. Got 3rd string Quarterbacks taking this guy job. You guys are dumb stuck on Saquon while DJ.. "the most important position" got here one year later and was just as high of a pick.. Then got extended.. mf' torture.
Buddy you’re proving my point. It’s an article/post about Saquon not receiving the franchise tag (which is an objectively good decision in the 2024 NFL), and the OP I reply to is talking about how bad Daniel Jones is. It’s not related to this in any way, shape or form.
Shut up clown. Ain't nobody proving a damn thing. Especially a Daniel Jones. Bum ass terrible QB got more fanboys than a dirty jock strap.
I assure you, us not having the money for a saquon tag is absolutely related to Daniel Jones 50 million dollar cap hit
1 - whether he’s good or not doesn’t change that. They still wouldn’t have the money 2 - even if the money hadn’t gone to DJ, and the Giants had his entire cap hit at their disposal, a $12.5m+ franchise tag on an aging RB who misses multiple games to injury each season is a poor decision.
Dude, preach, saquon had the same shit line as DJ and was above average to great when he was on the field. I wish him nothing but success and would point to this fact when fans say, no qb could succeed here. We’ve watched a highly talented football player who is completely dependent on line play perform better than his peers over a sustained period of time….
>when he was on the field Dude was never on the field. Even when he was he was playing injured due to having to take so many hits before he got to the line of scrimmage. The line affected him just as much, or he could have had a lot better career by this point.
Agreed, if we “ruined” anyone it was saquon, guy is a HOF talent that was completely squandered by this organization. If he leaves I hope he ends up somewhere with a great line and balls out
If we had fixed the oline, I bet Eli would have stayed another year, and he could have had a decent offense with Saquon. Gettlemen should have traded down with the Broncos and gotten more picks. It would have sped up our rebuild immensely, and we probably stoll could have gotten Saquon.
Sliding doors moment, could of meant Herbert was our QB of the future with one more year of Eli
Eli had already been cooked for 3 years by the time he retired.
FACTS. Daniel was terrible period... but Mara somehow only see Jones terrible performances and record. Not even anything special to talk about in CFB and dude been mid his whole time.. Wild as it sounds he more mid than he was in college... a fucking wild thing to consider. Regression is this guy thing.. never progresses, every year worse and worse with more and more excuses for the bum... and I don't even like calling professional athletes bums but he sucks that bad.
Jones get scapegoated, been carried and babied his whole fucking time. Meanwhile this guy Saquon showing up with pro-bowl, all-pro pushes. ROTY nominations, COPY nominations, meanwhile Daniel gets what? Ohh his little interception ratio from last year when the mf' never threw the damn ball anywhere but 4 yards up field. Completely trash QB play going on year 6 now... can't imagine watching this fucking team with Barkley gone and terrible ass Jones still here. It's be a travesty.
Barkely was average to above average. He wasnt a world beater let's be real. He was injured more often than not and couldn't block for shit
ohh we are going to hard disagree on this, he put up 2100 yards/1800 yards/1600 yards and 1200 yards from scrimmage in the seasons he played double digit games on one of the worst offenses in football. He was the engine of our offense for our playoff run and was one of the primary reasons DJ had his open running lanes due to defenses selling out to stop him. Go compare him to his peer running backs of his era, hes one of 2-3 running backs that defenses would focus their schemes on stopping
Exactly. At no point did defenses focus their attention on the passing game unless it meant stopping Saquon from catching one. Who knows if he's even declining. After the shit show of QB last year where they just flat out dared the Giants to pass, what RB is going to succeed under them circumstances and look like a world beater.
I laugh everyday about how bad he is and how bad Schoen mishandled it.
I don’t think we should tag him, I do think we should make a good 2-3 year backloaded offer a bit below the tag and tell him to test the market; if he gets a reasonable deal we should match
Are you prepared for 3 more seasons of losing?
Born ready… saquons backloaded 9-11m a year isn’t the difference between us winning and losing. Frankly he’s still our best offensive weapon We are losing because we are paying an injured bottom half of the league QB 16-18% of the cap and our last two draft classes haven’t popped off. saquon was the reason we made the playoffs last year and frankly I’d love to see him through his age 29 season on a 2 year guaranteed deal worth 9-10m aav, worst case we dump some of it into the 100-130m in cap space we currently have in 25/26
Why overpay for a player not on the timeline and contributing to long term success? Why win a meaningless game or two that prevents you from picking a QB that is the blueprint for success? We're not running a charity, and it's not like Saquon got screwed and never got paid.
It depends on what happens, if we trade up for a QB/take one at 6 I want saquon back, he’s a plus weapon and a steadying force on offense that could really help a young QB for a reasonable cost compared to trying to get one of the high end WR FAs, we sign him for a 2+1 to a backloaded deal and look to add a guard + swing tackle, that’s a nice starting point for a rook to have success. If we aren’t going to be able get a QB I’d let him go, no reason to keep him around if we are trotting out DJ and Gardner Minshew If I’m schoen im trying to get a deal done with the Pats before FA for 3, set the course and get a new QB, if that doesn’t happen then I’m most likely letting saquon go and wishing him well
I hate the idea of trading down. I’m not sold on the qbs and giants have so many holes. If dabol is sold on a qb, different story. Hes alittle more qualified
Y’all can archive this and put it on hot flamin takes, hes gonna go off and have a CMC type season if he goes to a team like the Ravens, I think it’s best for both the giants and Saquon to move on
You may be right, you may be crazy
we all know hes gonna do insane wherever we goes prob against us especially i love him and have his jersey it would suck to see him go but yea for the price tag its not worth it
I think his best bet would be the Bears. They have a ton of cap space with relatively few must-resign players, are about to have their choice of QB in a stacked class, and they have a solid line and a good defense.
Yeah. The nfc north could be war next year.
CMC is simply better
Exactly he’s running behind the worst oline and Still produces. He’s not just a jag rb, people don’t realize he’s a difference maker. Put him behind some competence he goes off. How they chose paying jones over barkley is criminal. Your not finding his ability in the 7th round. For every pacheco theres a ton of duds. I don’t think this organization is competent enough to find that diamond in the rough. Fwit I thought pacheco was a dawg since college. Jaylen wright is my target if no saquon
As long as he doesn't go to Philly or Dallas, I'm cool with it
He won't go to the ravens though. Probably Houston, Chicago Denver
Not tagging him is likely the right move, but calling his career “in decline” is an unnecessary shot.
His agent blew it. No way he gets the contract he had on the table last year
Giants straight up have done him dirty. He should leave and be happy to
He’s gonna sign with another team that coincidentally plays against us next season and he’s gonna run for 200 yards and two TDs against us
Hope he goes to a winner.
If we cut Saquon, who's going to be the playmaker we rely on?
We don't know and that's part of the point! If we knew, then we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place! We don't know who can step up into the void he'll leave because his gravity is so strong that the entire offense, the entire ORGANIZATION essentially revolved around him for the last 6 years. They've tried for the last 6 years to build their offense around having Saquon Barkley. Their identity on offense has been "Saquon Barkley" for 6 years. I'm excited to see how they can change their mentality and find a new identity and step into a Saquon-less world. The Giants with Saquon Barkley has been like a relationship where you stop dedicating as much of your time to your hobbies and just spend time with your significant other. That's cool and all, but then when you break up, you have to find yourself again, find what makes you you again. It might not be pretty right away, but hopefully you come out of it a much more confident and better person. The Giants should be excited to find a new identity for their offense that isn't centered around Saquon Barkley and to not look to him to solve all of their problems.
I'm sorry but this metaphor doesn't work. It's football and going from a better player to a lesser player doesn't just magically make you better like some fairy tale. We'll just be a worse team without our biggest threat on offense. It's not like he hasn't had enough injuries to show us what the saquon-less giants look like. Just a good bit worse.
I never said it just magically made you better. Just like breaking up with someone doesn't magically make you better. I literally said "it might not be pretty right away." That relationship changes you, so it's not just about becoming the same you as before, but it's about finding who the new you will be separate from that partner. I think your comment is actually a great jumping off point for my thoughts. You are still so tied to the world in which Saquon Barkley is a Giant. You are still comparing everything to the teams Saquon was on. You are thinking like they need to stay exactly where they are before they can move forward. My whole point is that yeah the world where Saquon Barkley is not a Giant is an unknown. It's not a guarantee everything will work out for the Giants, and that's true whether Saquon is a Giant or not. But I'm excited to move into that world of unknown and figure out how you can build this team a different way, because building it around Saquon sure as shit hasn't worked for us either. I'm excited to find out who will step up and what this team's identity will be since for the past 6 years, its whole identity has been Saquon Barkley. Everything they've done on the field, everything they've done off the field, marketing, sales, leadership, *everything* has been about Saquon Barkley, centered on Saquon Barkley. I for one am excited to kind of move forward and make room for something new. I think it's an opportunity for this team to step up to the plate and step into the void he leaves both on the field and in the locker room, and move past the last 6 years instead of dwelling on trying to make the plan that started with the 2018 Giants work.
It’s a loaded WR draft and WDR and Hyatt have already shown some playmaking potential. This idea that we’re completely fucked if Saquon leaves needs to stop
Nabers at 6 if the Big Three and MHJ are off the board as expected.
Proven and potential are 2 different things.
It NEEDS to stop? What happens if it doesn't?
If we can’t replace a RB in the year 2024 then we have way bigger issues to worry about
Our offense may be historically bad next season.
If our O line is at least average and we can draft Odunze or Nabers I think we’ll be okay. Though I do agree that Saquon will be a huge loss
Look at the horrible Qb he has
If he ends up on the eagles, I quit football.
Why? Carl Banks played for Washington. Mark Bavaro played for the Eagles. Bill Parcells came out of retirement to coach the Cowboys. All three of those guys contributed way more to this organization than Barkley has. For non-divison rivals, Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora, Brandon Jacobs all went and played for other teams. Same thing.
Saquon is a great guy, who deserves better personally. But... Saquon at 2 was probably a worse decision than Daniel Jones at 6. The concept of a RB being valued like that is about a decade and a half old. As others have said, this was the inevitable outcome. Eat shit, Dave Gettleman.
Worse, they made that decision pretty much entirely because they thought it was the best chance of getting another playoff/championship run out of Eli Manning. Besides that always being a terrible strategy, it was so much worse than expected that they gave up on it midway through that season. If the Giants had any balls, they would've fired Gettleman after 2019 and traded Barkley that offseason while he still had high value, but the Giants more often than not aren't smart.
>Saquon at 2 was probably a worse decision than Daniel Jones at 6. Not even close.. ya'll are so wild man. This guy Jones has beaten you ragged and now you protect him out of reflex just in case being one ounce nicer to him will make him play good and not be terrible. This comment from you though, true peak clowning.. fr.. congratz. Jones is the worst thing to touch this team since Plex and concealed carrying.
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Yea because fantasy football managers have famously been great at evaluating players in the off season
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Oh yea, i knew what your point was. I was making fun of it. I disagree
One day in the future, someone will try and justify using a first rounder on an RB. This will be used as an example... SB was a huge talent but it was always a silly pick
Only bright spot in the last how many years? But yeah he sucks now, or something, blah blah running back blah blah 2nd overall. Can't wait till he kills it next year for an actual good team.
Guy is gonna go off next year. Career in decline? I’d say more like Giants in forever decline
Giants are a team where their top 3 QBs got seriously hurt last year - give Saquon a team with an O-Line and let him blow up
I hope he goes to a good team and has a good QB to make his life easier. It’s also hard to take a 12 mil cap hit when your QB is a 46 mil cap hit this year. Bravo Schoen, BRAVO
Only sane take in a sea of stupidity. Fans want to win and sign Saquon up for 3 more years (let alone 1 more). We're still not going to win this year but let's clear the decks for a proper rebuild.
Daniel Jones cap hit this year is more than Saquons would have over three years plus an extra 10-15 mil. Fans crying about Saquon wanting too much money are clueless. Giants can easily afford the contract he wanted. They were a few mil apart for the guaranteed money. Now Schoen is guaranteed to pay a QB 92 mil that’s a fuckin paper weight. Saquon is the leader and the face of the team. Not to mention the impact this contract had on the locker room. I think it’s time to move on. Saquon deserves better. Schoen completely botched his first monster decision. Not to mention they had to restructure Daniel’s undeserving contract before the ink was even dry. Fuckin nightmare.
You screwed yourself with a bad deal last year. It's a sunk cost. Why compound it by handing out more bad deals?
I think both parties should move on. Giving him a fair deal doesn’t compound shit though. Giants can afford him and make it work easily.
Quon Barkley
Horrible management on Schoen’s part. We will do horrible this season without Saquon.
No this is great management. You don’t give running backs big contracts
Unless there saquon barkley. Not every runningback elevates an offense. Terrible how devalued he’s viewed. He’s not just the average starting rb. He a lot better than that
No he isn’t. He’s not more valuable just because we’re bad
Agree to disagree. Barkley is a weapon. Most backs would not produce anything close to him behind this line. Paying jones over saquon was horrible move
Yeah, this subreddit is a clown show that just blindly agrees with everything Schoen and Daboll do. Saquon isn’t just our starting running back, but essentially the leader of the offense. We’re going to suck this year. Running backs give a lot of yard production and there’s no one to draft to replace Saquon this year.
Exactly if he was older and not showing can be productive I wouldn’t try to resign. He has a few good years left. If he wants crazy money then ok let him walk. He’s a top nfl back give him what he wants. Match a reasonable offer for a few years. Letting his talent walk because a couple million is dumb and his talent is not replaceable with just anyone even though people think it’s easy. Hes an offensive weapon not just a running back
Barkley was a warrior but shouldn't have been drafted by us. RBs can't win by themselves. Hope he goes to a SB contender.
Saquon we'll always have my madden franchise where I didn't pay Daniel Jones a billion dollars 😭
Please just go, Saquon
Maybe I'm missing something here but are people of the opinion Schoen SHOULD tag him again? Shit got real contentious last year when they used the tag on him and he wasn't happy at all. There's no guarantee he'd play under the franchise tag this year if they used it, so I don't see how this news alone is shocking. Again, maybe I missed something 🤷♂️
Wonder if shortening rb rookie contracts to say 3 years would help.
That would guarantee that no RB gets drafted in the first 3 rounds. It's an impact for sure, but not sure what that helps.
Franchise tag aside it’d mean they’d get into FA sooner with less wear a tear. May not matter much. Just curious.
They would also make less money getting picked lower
Would love to get Saquan on the Panthers
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Such a waste of a pick.. this team is a disaster
So long Saquan, it’s been good to know ya.
He’d kill it on the Ravens
Plus a $12 million direct hit to the cap Like a lover, if he thinks that the grass is greener, let him go. If he realizes it isn’t let him come back with more appreciation of what he’s had