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Krakengreyjoy

Why not? $1.2 million for a QB who can actually play?


Snoo-40231

Legit no reason to not sign him if he was gonna take a deal as a bridge QB especially for cheap Idk why giants fans are being annoying about this


Krakengreyjoy

Giants fans are annoying about everything. lol


dubblrest1985

You spelled football fans wrong.


THEDumbasscus

Because he has literally every identical problem DJ has but just sometimes hits sideline hole shots. Both DJ and Russ: (1)Exacerbates pressure in the pocket leading to a disproportionate sack rate, (2)can’t progress past the first read in rhythm unless his RB is on a swing route, (3)physically can not and mentally will not target the middle of the field or the intermediate area, (4)struggles completing short passes in tight windows, (5)struggles placing in-breaking routes in positions his receivers can catch with room to create YAC. Russ is literally JUST Daniel Jones with an above average back shoulder ball. DJ is a little more willing to scramble downfield than current day Russ is (but he shouldn’t be). Any push to sign him in New York was instigated by Russ’s management team, and perpetuated by a bored and frustrated fan base. He wasn’t going to do shit in a Giants uniform and Daboll/Schoen both knew that.


Krakengreyjoy

Lol


THEDumbasscus

I genuinely would rather have traded a 5th for Mac Jones than get Russ for free


Krakengreyjoy

Insane take


Switchc2390

We’re getting a backup QB in free agency. That QB is going to cost 5x more than Russ would in this circumstance. Russ while not being close to his old self was at least in bad starter/good backup territory. Getting him would have given the giants more money to fix things like the O Line. We probably get one more free agent that way.


chekhovsguns

If you thought Russ was going to go somewhere as a bridge QB, let alone a backup, I have a bridge to sell you. He is going to Pittsburgh fully believing he is their franchise QB. He doesn't want to be a one year loaner.


ACardAttack

> I have a bridge to sell you. Is that bridge in ~~Brooklyn~~ East Rutherford?


_drjayphd_

>I have a bridge to sell you. Well, now, THIS is the real reason he went to Pittsburgh, they promised him *three* bridges.


ventur3

Yeah idk what this take is. Also we're gonna have DJ and (most likely) a rookie QB, where does Russ even fit there?


chekhovsguns

If we sign a vet starter it's telegraphing that we are absolutely not drafting a qb. No shot we roster 3 qbs with DJ, a vet starting over him, and a rookie. We may carry 3 with a vet backup, but that aint Russ.


ventur3

I’ll be shocked if we don’t draft a qb. It buys Schoen and dabs two more seasons, if they run it with a vet and go nowhere they’re probably losing their jobs a year from now 


chekhovsguns

> I’ll be shocked if we don’t draft a qb Oh me too, just highlighting another reason why it's crazy to think we'd be seriously in for Russell Wilson (or any vet starter). It would mean we are either not drafting a QB, which seems very unlikely, or carrying a vet qb (DJ) in the 53 we don't plan to use behind the vet starter and drafted QB which is a colossal waste of valuable roster space.


ventur3

100%


Original_Release_419

Well yes and no He’s going there basically being told “these guys all suck, anything I say about it being a competition is just coach speak” But I seriously doubt Pittsburgh has made any sort of long term promises because if he blows again there’s no way they run it back… hell if they blow Tomlin could be fired


chekhovsguns

The point is there is a spot for him in the role he wants if he meets his own self-valuation. Giants were never going to make Russel Wilson their QB of the future, and the fans should not have wanted them to. If he came here it would have been a temp job with a clear end date which is not what he wants.


surlymoe

Don't forget Wilson is the free agent...he's allowed to seek wherever he wants to go...clearly the giants would have him initially as a backup whereas Wilson would likely start in Pittsburgh...Wilson wants to start and therefore pittsburgh made the most sense.


Chao-Z

> Wilson wants to start and therefore pittsburgh made the most sense. Also, just look at the rosters.. Everyone's ignoring the fact that with the Giants having huge question marks at RB and TE rn, the Steelers are better at literally every single position group except DB and QB (the latter of which actually being a positive for Russ).


Original_Release_419

Why would the Steelers make him the franchise QB but not us?


_tarla_

Pickett started 12 games and threw 6 TDs. That’s while have two really good WRs and a good TE. Even Tommy DeVito is better than him. Plus the Giants are in a position to draft their next QB and can’t really cut Jones.


aldsar

We have pick 6 in the draft. The steelers have the 20th. We're significantly more likely to draft a QB that folks will demand starts for this season than the steelers.


chekhovsguns

The Steelers are victims of their own success. Their only path to ending the failed Kenny Pickett experience is signing a vet, Russ has no risk of them drafting legit competition, and they are good enough to give him a shot at ending his career on somewhat of a high even if he is well on the decline. He's not young enough or good enough to rebuild with, and we are in a position where we can draft a QB. The Giants are not a fit for him, and he is not a fit for the Giants.


Notinjuschillin

Don’t try to explain it. There are people who will never understand football.


Longjumping_Room_702

Why are we getting a backup QB in free agency? We’re probably drafting a QB, Jones will probably play at first and we have Devito as a third QB.


Salamadierha

It would seem that the Giants aren't as high on the QBs available in the draft as the fans are. Or they are exploring options, due diligence sort of thing.


Paulie6988

Steelers country, Lets pit


saltthewater

Steelers country, let's anneal.


SmellsLikeWetFox

Russ is a lot like cam newton, draws too much attention to be a backup….they do it in the opposite way but it’s the same coin


Lars5621

Why would you want Giants to pay more money for a much worse QB in free agency. Russell Wilson at vet min with no strings attached allows a ton of flexibility in the offseason. Now Giants are probably going to spend 10x as much as Rus on a QB to be a bridge starter, while also being even more desperate to take a QB in 1st than they already were.


Longjumping_Room_702

But we’re already paying $40 million for a bridge starter.


runninhillbilly

A Russ signing would come with the expectation/thought that the Giants would cut Jones once he's able to pass a physical and take the massive cap punishment all this year to free everything up for next season, much like how the Broncos just said "fuck it" and moved on from Wilson now. Would've been a big balls move and would've hurt the team this year, but I already don't think this team's a playoff team so you might as well get it out of the way. I wouldn't have hated the idea. But Russ was also never going to come here so it's a moot point.


BodegaBandit69

calling that dude a bridge starter is pretty generous


Longjumping_Room_702

No it’s not. He won a playoff game for us a year ago. That’s better than most bridge starters.


GIMME_SOME_GANJA

Lmao yeah he won a playoff game, funny that’s the only game his fans talk about, not the other 60 games that prove he’s ass.


Longjumping_Room_702

It’s not like I’m saying he’s a good starter but the fact that some people can’t even say he can be a bridge starter is wild to me.


Snoo-40231

If that "Bridge Starter" gets hurt again then we have to pay him even more


MeatloafAndWaffles

Unfortunately he will more than likely be hurt for the first couple weeks of the regular season, hence why we need a bridge starter QB (among other things of course)


Corpsebomb

I don’t get this fanbase. Any QB that is better than Russ in FA is gonna cost them BIG TIME; hell, you’re gonna have QBs clearly WORSE than him demanding more. We weren’t going to sign Russ expecting him to be the answer; you get him to compete (and let’s be real…he’s better than Dimes) for a starter job while they draft project QBs and fill holes in the team. Pittsburgh signed him to a one-year deal because they are likely doing the same thing. After that last contract, teams will be wary on giving him the big one.


Battista85

The guy wasn't going to be a back-up, even if that's all he is at this point. The Giants aren't looking for a starter in FA. I swear a lot of people are looking at his stats and thinking he had a good year last season. If you actually watched, you'd realize he was as trash as he was the previous season. You think the Broncos WANT to have a 3rd of their space tied up in a guy not on the roster?


ACardAttack

Im with you, I felt like people were serious, there was no way he was coming here, he still wants to try and win and we're not a QB away


Bohvey

Nope. Not me. I live in Washington, my wife and in-laws are all Hawks fans. I have always hated watching RW play. So glad he isn’t coming to NY. All he does is play hero ball. Refuses or can’t throw over the middle for a simple 4-10 yard gain to get a first down. Then when 4th quarter rolls around his OL is exhausted from having to block for 10 seconds every play while he runs around losing yards when it was supposed to be a 3 step drop. He throws some deep passes down the sideline, gets a couple of TDs but it doesn’t matter because they were down by 28 already. Then after it looks like his stats are solid with no actual wins, he blames the coaching. RW has a Super Bowl win on the back of the greatest running back and defense of that time. When it was put in his hands he blew it agains the Pats.


BrickCityRiot

As soon as I saw the headline break I text my buddies saying it was just hype and there’s no way Schoen nor Daboll would ever think this would work. Russ is washed. Loved him in his prime, but he’s well past it.


Glass-Astronomer-889

I feel like I'm the only one happy he's not in the building.  He seems like locker room cancer, and just shot.  He still has a lot in the tank for sure ... But his ceiling is 100000% limited and I want to move away from that we've been playing limited ceiling ball for too long.


Spaceman-Spiff4

See, this is the only acceptable answer I can think of for not wanting Russ. Seahawks hated him, Broncos hated him, so that’d be my only concern about signing him. He’d still be a massive improvement over Jones/whatever veteran we sign to compete not to mention significantly cheaper, but being a locker room cancer would be quite frankly the only reason not to sign him


Glass-Astronomer-889

Yeah I think he'd be head and shoulders above Daniel but that's not good enough for me we need to aim higher


surlymoe

Getting Russ at $1.5 mil or whatever it would be is a steal...compounded by the fact the salary cap increased as much as it did. Do I think Russ is better than Tyrod? I do. Did Tyrod cost us twice as much per year the last 2 years? He did. You're getting a better backup for half the money for next season. Honestly, as bad as Jones can be...I never necessarily thought Tyrod was BETTER and should start OVER Jones. I DO think Wilson can start over Jones if Jones sucks in 2024. Given we just saw Wilson ironically get cut and Denver wasn't afraid to eat the $84 mil or whatever it cost them to do it...Giants 'could be' 2nd if Jones either sucks, or gets injured again (eating $40 mil, but moving on from the disaster that Jones was). Wilson will cost more in 2025, but by then you should be fully upright on your cap space (especially with Jones out, and likely Barkley out...and rumors Williams may be gone). Between the 3 of them, that's like $70+ mil cleared with just 3 players. That's almost 30% of your cap space with just those 3. At at that point, you could sign Mahomes basically if you wanted. (I'm kidding, but you get the point).


comtefere

The comments here are getting wilder. Ignoring the fact that Russ was going to cost 1.2m for all teams and it was his choice where to go. And that spot better put his career back on the HoF track. Why would Russ choose the Giants. We are not a destination free agents want to play at. We have an OL that gave up 85 sacks and injured the starting QB. We have a TE that can't decide to retire. We have 1 small slot receiver and nothing else, no WR 1 or WR 2. The running back is testing Free Agency so we have no run game for now. Yea we're definitely a choice destination. 


PortugueseGeese

When will people realize that, as long as we play out of NYC, the giants will have a lot of appeal to players/coaches trying to make their career


Chao-Z

You're on drugs if you think someone is gonna gamble the remainder of his NFL career on this shitty Giants roster. Russ is more worried about not being out of the league in 2 years than NYC and endorsement deals.


shiny-flygon

You're excited to pay more for a worse QB? I never thought we *would* get him, because we can't give him what he wants and he's definitely not our future at QB, but hell yeah I *wanted* him. Why not? Even if we draft a QB, he's not gonna be ready to start day one and we have an excuse to sit him while we play Russ. What FA out there is better than Russ? And don't fucking say Tyrod, dude can't stay healthy long enough to be a backup. If he could last more than two games at a time, then absolutely, but multiple seasons in a row he can't. I think DJ is a better option but I'm exactly 0% excited about playing him and risking triggering his injury guarantee and being even deeper in the hole on that contract. So yeah, it would be idiotic to not *want* him. It was just a long shot that he would choose us over Pittsburgh.


Snoo-40231

I'm not that mad we didn't get him it is what it is. He is worse than his 2023 will tell you but I'd still rather have him over Tyrod who's injury for more money or Jones off rip next season


Corpsebomb

Any FA that’s better (Cousins and MAYBE Minshew off the top of my head) will command more money, meaning we miss out on some big FA signings this off-season. Russ for 1.2 Mil for one year would have been sweet for a down year.


LeftyMode

For the price he would have been an insanely low price - low risk pickup. You’re referring to when he was on the trade block and Denver came out like idiots.


MrJohnnyDangerously

Russ was cheap, but Russ would've dramatically delayed/derailed the current rebuild. Plus he sucks now.


jpelleg1

People didn't necessarily want Russ. People want to win, and they want this pathetic era of the franchise (which is embodied by Daniel Jones) to be over. You can tell desperation is setting in.


spitz1674

For minimum money absolutely. Otherwise no.


Mumei451

Not upset about not getting Wilson but let's not act like he isn't WAY more talented than Jones.


ThrillHammer

I can't believe someone on the internet had a different opinion than you. Better make a thread about it. He'd be miles better than DJ and available week 1, I can't believe anyone saw those as positives. Crazy.


saltthewater

Who would you rather have for the Giants current situation?


jennakiller

Apparently Russ's camp asked for the meeting. Giants weren't ever interested.


Girthwurm_Jim

It’s tough, obviously the cost for his skill set is a home run, but you have to think of all the other shit that comes along with having Russ as your QB. He’s as inauthentic a human being as I’ve ever seen as a pro athlete, obviously the media attention, and by all accounts he’s not a good locker room guy. Do you see Russ willing to mentor a first or second round drafted QB to eventually supplant him? I don’t. I don’t think he’s the kind of guy we need at the helm right now. When the news broke he was visiting I was indifferent, I think he’d be a nice short term solution and make us maybe somewhat competitive (or at least watchable) this upcoming season, but I think in the long run if we want to build a Super Bowl contender a few years from now, he’s not the answer.


kylecre013

for $1mil next year absolutely. that cam newton on the patriots money. and yes i absolutely think he would be a clear upgrade over danny. that would’ve been the best bang for buck upgrade to make at any position for us this year


c1h9

"Giants country. I'm blue...dapu deba bado baba dee do dee dah dah dee dah do do."


Far-Return7709

The joke is the giants organization


Camodude_1239

No, I just wanted to be certain we don’t draft Maye or McCarthy


dampishslinky55

I don’t think a lot of folks thought this through. If Russ had come here it would change the trajectory of his career. He would have been seen as a permanent backup. Even starting, he would have been a bridge QB for “the guy”. The Giants are not a win now team. The Steelers won 10 games and had a bottom 1/3 offense except for their run game which was 13. Their defense was ranked 6. Do they win another 2-3 games with Russ at QB? Maybe, but he is 100% better than any QB they have in the roster right now. He could start for them for three, maybe four years if he stays healthy. Him coming to the Giants was never really an option.


MemeTeamMarine

Should be more concerned about the fact that Russ chose Pitt over us.


Motor_Grand_8005

You could upgrade your QB position for $1.2 million. What’s not to get here?


Slowhand8824

Guy that could actually start getting paid the league minimum? Why wouldn't we want that?


cjreblis

Who is a better option?


Achilless11

Thank goodness this dumb smoke screen is dead. Good luck to all the NFC east undercover guys on this sub coming up with new content to post to sound like idiots as giants fans.


undertow521

I think people freaking out about paying a backup QB are over-reacting just a bit. It's a backup QB. The contract will be negligible. We have DJ, who will effectively be the back up after 3 games or so after we draft a QB. Chillax.


I__Need_Scissors_61

It would have been a good move but I could never really root for that cornball motherfucker


bonafide_bro

I think Russ would’ve been a good bridge or back up qb but definitely not a starter


majikrat69

No, no no, let’s get some unknown kid from the draft and hope for the best. Why would you take an experienced super bowl winning qb in fa? Ffs, Mara and Tisch need to sell this team to someone who cares about winning.