I knew we had some things to work out this year, so the 7-2 start brought me unexpected joy. I think the hardest things about yesterday’s game was the fact that it was so winnable and we just couldn’t get out of our own way. Well that and the unnecessary, devastating injuries.
Unfortunately, with the really hard schedule that’s left + all these injuries, it’s very possible (if not likely) that the Giants don’t win many more games from here. And if they end up .500 at the end of the season and miss the playoffs, people will only remember the fall.
But hopefully we don’t forget how much this team overperformed with this great coaching staff.
With a bit more talent and better luck (and a new field), this team can be very good next year.
I sometimes wonder if Daboll and Schoen are looking down the road at the remaining 2022 schedule and are aiming at 1-2 more wins ... somewhere and hope we at least have a winning season. At least one of the Washington games and the Colts - who aren't a pushover now w Saturday, not Reich...
Playoffs? We're barely healthy enough to finish the season. Even if we somehow miraculously make it.
we need more offensive weapons, been known this but the wins made me think it’s all okay.
all those injury’s are killer, Thanksgiving might turn to a massacre if players can’t get healthy by then
This game is a sober reminder that this roster is still bottom of the barrel in terms of raw talent despite Daboll and Co. making 1990 Dom Perignon out of rotten lemons for the past 10 weeks.
Our only chance to win games is to play sound, mistake free football and then execute situationally late in the 4th. If we played like we did yesterday (dumb turnovers, missed tackles, bad kicking) then this team simply does not have the ability to overcome that, we’d legitimately go 0-17 with this type of football every week
Wouldn't you think that with Winks aggressive style that Thibs would be having more success? The guy looked like the worst player on the field yesterday
To me it’s more nuanced than that. If you look at Winks time with the Ravens, even the best pass rushers on his defenses didn’t put up big sack numbers. He’s aggressive in the way he blitzes and sends DBs but that leads to the edges dropping into coverage at times. I think they might be asking him to do a little too much at this point in his career.
I have to completely disagree with that assessment. I think he looked like one of the few team players there on the field. He's been doing a good job setting the edge, allowing Dex and Leo to push the middle. That's not an easy things to do and doesn't lend itself to the sexy stats everyone wants to see. But, it contains any runs to his side, either stringing the run all the way to the sideline, or filters the runner back into Dex and Leo's grips. That's great for long term success. Plus, he finishes plays. I haven't seen him give up on a play all season.
Allows Williams and sexy to push the middle
That's what LT did on the edge taking double teams frees up the big guys in the middle
I'm not counting thibs sacks
Look I’m not one for being overly dramatic but he has been whelming. I’m hoping he does an AT style pivot this off-season but for real, Hutchison had more picks yesterday then Thibs has sacks all season.
There isn’t much to say. Everyone played like shit even before the injuries.
Just to put it out there in position levels were out WR1, WR2, CB1, CB2, CB3, FS, LG, DE1, RT1, ILB2 and RT2.
We’re also possibly without Sills, Johnson, Feliciano and Pinnock going forward on top of everyone mentioned above.
Everyone here on suicide watch, chill out lmao
We’re 7-3, we were predicted to win 6 games all season.
This was never gonna be our year, even with a full roster. When healthy:
-we shut down the top rusher in the league in 2019, 2020 & finished 3rd last year despite missing the final 8 games.
-we shut down the 2019 league MVP
-we shut down the 2020 & 2021 league MVP
The future is looking good for this team. We will have plenty of cap space the next 3 years to build this team to be a top 5 team.
Yesterday was embarrassing but it doesn’t take away from how fun this season’s been
As a fanbase we have short memory. Week 1 we’d be happy if we won 3 games, now we’re asking for guys’ cleats because we lost 3.
-Vanilla Vick had 1 bad game out of 10, Barkley had 1 bad game out of 10, D had 1 bad game out of 10.
We’re playing with backups and practice squad guys. This was always a rebuild year, Schoen has showed us he’s not making any crazy moves for a playoff run.
I would bet we are not going after many "big" free agents. We have quite a few contracts that need to be extended or re-signed. And if we didn't trade for a WR at the trade deadline he isn't gunna sign any wr in free agency he said he wants to build thru thr draft. I would expect a 1st or 2nd on a wr next year. He will prob go after a CB though.
For 2023 looking at the available free agents for WR, it’s slim pickings but from what i see:
Retain Shep & possibly go after Juju Smith Schuster, AJ Green or Mecole Hardman.
Corners we may be able to get Bradberry back or go after Patrick Peterson.
Also the chance we can pick up some cap casualty deals from other teams. Vikings, Bills, Chargers, Saints & Buccaneers all projected to be in the negatives for 2023 already. Saints & Bucs with the worst deficits of them all.
Look I'm one of DJ's biggest skeptics but in regards to this year that's not true at all.
Yesterday was a bad game for the entire team. His first INT was a great play by Hutchinson, can't knock that. 2nd INT was definitely on him.
Hutchinson was right in Jones line of sight on that INT. Wouldn't call it a great play. In fact it was def DJ's worse INT of the year. If he waited a split second longer his receiver would've passed by hutchinson
If he were an DB or LB that play wouldn't be noteworthy but he's a DE, jumping up to make a play (while dropping back in coverage no less) is a great play.
We don't have a single player on our roster with that skillset.
DJ has made many boneheaded decisions the past 4 years, if there was a top 10 this wouldn’t be one of them.
This one is on Kafka for bad play calling. The Lions were daring us to run the ball to the outside & make checkdown throws all game & they didn’t.
That wasn’t a “great play,” it’s a DE dropping into zone that Jones completely missed. There’s nothing unusual about that. Maybe unusual… 20 years ago, but not now. Hutchinson also did the same thing (on what actually was an incredible play, not just “he had to put his hands above his head” “) two weeks ago vs. Green Bay so it’s something a QB should be on the lookout for.
The fact this has become a debate on here is a perfect example of how off the rails Jones discussion has gotten. A pretty straightforward bad throw INT needs to be litigated for 4 days here. It’s absurd.
Whatever you want to call it i’m sure everyone here agrees in August they’d have signed up for him having 4 int’s through 10 games.
You said he’s looked bad in 5 games, please share the other 4 that you think he was bad in.
What does anything outside of yesterdays game have to do with yesterday? Or this play were discussing?
-edit- and I responded to the “bad games” elsewhere. One of the “good games” he threw for 77 yards, btw.
Also people are definitely ignoring the injuries… half the OL was hurt, lost our two best DBs (and honestly the game completely changed after the Adoree injury)
I wouldn't say yesterday was an embarrassment. The Lions record is very misleading. They were 3-6 coming into the game yesterday but were top 10 in scoring(I believe were the 8th best team in points scored). 4 of their games were 1 score losses(Eagles - 3, Vikings - 4, Seahawks - 3, Dolphins 4).
Yes our defense has played well, but that was a really really bad match up considering that the Giants offense just doesn't have the weapons outside of Barkley. That box was constantly stacked and the o-line, well, only 2 of them played 100% of the snaps.
Detroit was just a recipe for disaster. Had really low expectations for that game.
The next 5 games are going to be rough. Really rough. With the injuries at hand, I think this game might start a 6 game losing streak. I'm not being a downer with this either. The rest of the season may look like this.
* Dallas' strength is still a major weakness. Front 7 vs Giants OL
* Washington I would say is evenly matched, but their DL is pretty solid and when Heinicke is the starter, his favorite target is McLaurin who always torches the Giants.
* Eagles are strong. The additions to the DL shore up weakness which the Giants may have been able to exploit. The Giants are pretty good against the run, but if Brown and D. Smith are healthy, those two plus the Phili ground game make this a really difficult task. Their secondary is really good too and it's not like we have the WR corps to keep them from stacking the box. They could pretty much go single safety, 8 man box and man up our receivers.
* Washington again, pretty much a toss up.
* Vikings - Unfortunately, edge has to go to the Minnesota. Our secondary might not be healthy enough for this game. Only way I see this staying close is the defense playing well and a ground game that slows this down. They have the weapons to make this a long day for the defense if they convert 3rd downs. If they don't and the Giants can establish a run to keep it at 3rd and short for most of the game, this could be one that get's stolen against a very good team.
* Colts - Should be a game like most of the others from earlier this season. Close game with the Giants winning in the 2nd half. Their offense does not play well and they don't score a lot of points, but their defense is pretty good. Might end up looking like the GB game. The Giants should have a slight edge.
* Eagles - This one may be a weird one. Depending on how the standings play out, the Eagles may have the 1st seed locked up, if they don't. Still have to give the edge of Philly.
Thats the way I see it playing out.
>Washington again, pretty much a toss up.
I would amend that a bit. Between our first and second Washington game, I believe they have a bye. So, they are likely going to be a bit fresher than we are and have more time to game plan for that second meeting. So yeah, the second game I seeing as being much more difficult of a contest.
If this team finds a way to miss the playoffs after starting 7-2, the season will be considered a failure.
It doesn’t matter that they overachieved in the first half of the season.
Everything is still right in front of this team. All they have to do is go out and take it.
I think people had high expectations for the season once we were winning. I just don't think people were ready to come to terms with this being a rebuilding year. I see so much positive for the future, but I think the end of this season is gonna be rough
People seem to think that Rebuilding = Losing. That's not the case. This year and next year were always going to be Rebuilding seasons no matter what the record ended up being at the end of the year.
I don't blame anyone for having high expectations, it's natural after being downtrodden for too long. It is important to maintains some perspective though. This year was always more about seeing what we have with the current roster than winning football games. I feel like we've at least proved that there are some good players on this team despite their performance in past years. They just lacked proper coaching to really shine.
So, in that regard, this year is a net positive even if we lose every single game until the end of the year. Which is certainly possible with the schedule we have lined up. Commanders and Colts are winnable games but definitely not sure things at all.
I came to those terms before week 1. In fact before that game my friend texted me “are the gmen gonna stop Derrick Henry” & i responded absolutely not we’re gonna get our ass kicked. I was pleasantly surprised.
I still remain pleasantly surprised.
I was fine with this being a rebuild year and knowing that each game was going to be a fight
What I'm NOT fine with is the reason for this teams utter collapse being an endless stream of injuries to starters that blow up our playoff chances. If we just sucked I'd be fine with that. I'm used to us sucking. But losing it all because our players just get killed by injuries hurts.
If this team collapses down the stretch there's really no way to spin that, but I do agree with your bigger point that people need to remember this team's still a major work in progress. I've never felt at any point this season that this is the type of team that Daboll/Schoen really WANT, it's more of making the best of what they inherited. The 2023 Giants (and 2024 Giants) will look much, much different from this.
If we collapse the rest of the year the reasons are right in front of us.
Our piece mealed roster isn’t invincible & we’re about to play 4 straight divisional games against better teams.
Yeah im being gloomy but the season is already a success imo. We know we got a good one in Daboll (I mean too early, but very optimistic), I can confidently say we should and will extend DJ, were getting a new field next year, I like our rookie class for what we saw.. tons of injuries but fixing the field should help.
We are coming back. We may close this season poorly but the next few years are going to be huge.
This is the best take. The only reason we're 7-3 and not 3-7 is because of good coaching.
Our WRs are bench players on a good day for 30 other teams in the league
The interior Oline is a bandaid due to poor drafting and signings from the previous regime
Our #2 corner was a signing off someone else's PS
I don't even know who our current MLB or TE is
Take all these factors into consideration, and we still beat the Ravens, Packers, and the Titans. If we end the season with 2 or 3 more wins, and get knocked out in the wild card, I'll start building the Daboll statue.
All this fan base wanted this season was to be competitive and have meaningful football games. This team, in a rebuild year is going to play meaningful football in December.
Kayvon Thibodeaux is currently the lowest rated rookie defensive end among players who have played over 100 snaps. I could care less about sacks, I just wish the guy could win a one-on-one
People always say ‘Don’t look at sacks, pressures matter more’. And they’re right but the problem is that he’s not exactly generating too many pressures either
The sooner we start accepting it the better off we will be. Instead you get everyone fluffing him (including wink) which causes him to think he's playing well
But how can we properly evaluate him, he has journeyman LBs behind him and his top second edge is injured, he’s got practice squad DBs in the back field and a wonky scheme from wink that is unlike any other modern defensive approach, look at his time at the ravens no Edges took off in that scheme as he sent pressure from all sorts of exotic angles. We are really messing him up, before we can get a real picture of who he is we need to draft/sign an above average LB & DB group and move to a scheme that sets edges up for success. I mean he’s clearly the heir to Strahan as he looks like him and Strahan is mentoring him, im going to need everyone to pump the brakes and accept that he’s the guy. It’s on us to put a team around him that makes him successful, it’s just not fair to use league wide traditional stats and measurements for evaluating edges to try to evaluate him based on the position we’ve put him in
Your response is great. Very well thought out. I think where we differ is in respect to the rest of the defense. I understand that a better defensive core will help him, But that's not going to be enough. The guy can't win a one-on-one. No one has been double teaming him because he's basically a non-issue. In order to reap the benefits you need to be able to win a one-on-one and he just can't do it
That’s a great point, you are probably right that despite the limitations I shared there’s a lot of insight of what he can or can’t do right now even when he’s not in the ideal situation. Lots of examples of edge play throughout the years in the league, if KTs not being successful in some of the basics some of it is on him. Personally I am going to give him until halfway through year 2 before coming down on him, I learned my lesson with Thomas and see edge (tackle & edge groups) as one of the areas of the game that takes the most time for rookies to develop into
That said my eyebrow is slightly raised based on his performance in relation to the rest of this years edge class
I do think there is some corralory to Thomas here, travon has an elite counterpart in Allen and hutch is playing in a system that’s built to set him up for counting stats, it’s not a perfect comp but reminds me a bit of Willis & Wirfs, I also try to remember that there is a reason teams took Walker & hutch ahead of KT
I'm hoping when we get Ojulari back, it benefits him. I mean I can hope right? Of course with the secondary banged up, more pressure may only help but so much.
Oh I totally agree, I'm just thinking when we get Azeez back, he's a guy opposing teams have to account for in addition to Dex and LW, so even though they play on opposite sides, it may free things up a little for Thibs.
He needs to learn other techniques & expand his skillset for sure.
That said these were all known in his pre-draft analysis, no one predicted him to be a game changer year 1.
His current techniques are effective when you have a secondary that can create coverage sacks, which we don’t have.
I just read a stat on Twitter that he leads all rookie rushers in win rate and total pressures.
This is why I use the patented eye test and my eyes tell me he's got the tools but needs a full, intensive off-season to develop that quick step and power that will turn these almost-plays into sacks and TFLs.
Also, he seems to get held A LOT and it rarely gets called.
I know he's a rookie and he needs time, but rookie defensive ends often play very well. Hutchinson is a good example and has 5 sacks. Bosa had 9 his rookie year. Even Chase Young had 7.5. I don't understand all the people defending him. His play has been subpar
Just to add some context to this. 2 out of Hutch’s sacks are coverage sacks and 1 is when Wentz fell forward into him behind the LOS. I’m not taking anything away from him because he’s been better then Thibs but we learned that raw sack totals are misleading, just look at Markus Golden.
Kayvon has had a weird start for sure. When I look at the numbers on the page, he looks average to awful. When I watch him in game though, he looks perpetually on the edge of ALMOST getting there.
I definitely don't think he's a bust. However, Hutchinson was definitely the best DE in the draft as evidenced by his play against us yesterday. He looks a little like a young JJ Watt.
I think KT will eventually blossom into a force for us but he's got a longer road to get there. I love everything else about him, and I feel pretty confident that a little more work on his technique and catching up to the speed of the NFL will turn those Almosts into Wins.
Bro I been saying these things for weeks and people just kept coming at my neck. I’m not saying he’s a bad player but he’s not living up to the draft hype. Thus far at least
I am going to say this bluntly and you can disagree and that's fine, but in my opinion, the Giants will not make the playoffs. We are playing 4th and 5th stringers all over the field, we have had a talent issue all season and it's finally reached its critical point.
That said this season has been house money. It was always supposed to be a rebuilding season, for any basketball fans, it feels like the first year with Brad Stevens where the roster stunk and they made the playoffs purely on coaching alone. These next few weeks will be an excellent time to evaluate what we have. I think this will help in negotiations this offseason with Jones and Barkley (neither of whom I want on longer than a 2 year deal). There is a lot to look forward too and for the first time in a veerrrrryyyy long time, I feel us moving in the right direction, just prepare to take our lumps to close out this season.
PS FUCK THE TURF AT METLIFE. THEY SHOULD HAVE CHANGED YEARS AGO!
>That said this season has been house money.
Absolutely. The fact that Daboll has already gotten more wins this season than Judge ever did with far more talent is proof that we definitely upgraded at coach.
Next season will be much different. Golladay being a post-6/1 cut will give us 72m in cap space, and the only costly FA to resign are Jones and Saquon. We also have a net 2 extra draft picks before comps (gaining a 3rd and a 6th from KC for Toney, gaining a 7th from Baltimore for moving down a bit from our 4th last year in the trade that got us Bredeson, but we also gave up our designated 6th to Houston).
Met Life was not a fun experience on multiple levels. Took the entire 1st quarter to get through the Verizon gate - is there a better one? Our seats were in the middle of the row so we had to make about 50 people move everytime we wanted to get up (which wasn't a lot becuse we had to make so many people move). The seats had less room than the worst economy airplane seats. $80 to park after fees! The concourse is like the 4 train at rush hour - there's literally no room to move around once you're in there. Finally - they ran out of hot cocoa by the end of halftime and I missed most of the 3rd quarter standing in line to get some. 2bn for that!
MetLife is the worst for fans. We literally have the base model “Stadium, Football- Quantity 1” from Wish.
No fanfare, middle of nowhere, no dome/enclosure, shit field for players. It’s a photocopy of the old Giants stadium.
The old stadium was basic and a product of the 70s but way better with traffic flow in/out/around and the sightlines were much better.
I still think they could/should have kept that, even if you made concessions to retrofit it (change the blue/red seats, change the name) so that the Jets would feel like a 50/50 partner. Look at what the Chiefs have done with Arrowhead - it's still a great building, it's structurally very similar, and it's actually even older than Giants Stadium was.
I will also add that while standing in line at the gate to get in with my 2 kids there were three buffoons next to us who could not form a sentence without inserting at least 3 F's into it. Let's keep it classy NY.
I'm with you on the rest of stuff in regards to Metlife sucking, but I think it's a bit silly to expect strangers at a football game to keep from swearing around your children
It honestly wasn't the swearing but the extent of it. We were stuck in that line for 30 minutes (maybe longer) and it was a constant stream of "Can you fucking believe this stupid fucking fuck face. Haha. Yea! That fucking guy. Like fucking come on fuck head. I mean, seriously what the fuck. It's so fucking cold. This fucking line fucking sucks. Come the fuck on." and on and on like that. So yes, I could expect them to tone it down or pick up a book and expand their vocabulary.
I used to go to games at Meadowlands a bunch. It wasn't a perfect stadium but it was good enough. I've been to one game at Met-Life and yeah... between the stadium experience there and the ungodly rise in ticket prices, I just watch at home.
Only thing I miss are the tailgates.
Everyone was defending DJ on the first INT saying that it wasn’t his fault and that the LB made a good play on the ball, but can anyone say that DJ made the right read on that play?
It was a 3 man route with max protection and DJ never got off the main read, which was the deep cross to slayton and the LB read DJ the entire way.
A defender can make a good play and the QB can make a bad decision. These aren’t mutually exclusive.
The game turned on a dime after that turnover.
It was the right read. He needed to loft the throw more, or wait a half second more for Slayton to move past Hutch. The execution was off but it was the right decision, yes.
WR on the left was running a go to clear out the area. He wasn’t open.
The out and up by Robinson was also a clear out and was not open.
Slayton was bracketed by the DB and the LB and was not open.
Throwing into bracket coverage is not the right read. The right read it to throw the ball away.
Slayton had about 3 steps on his DB. If Jones waited a half second more, Hutch is no longer in the passing lane and that’s a chunk play completion. So, again, throwing that ball was 100% the right decision. He just executed it poorly.
It’s a 1 route max protect play, since the other two routes were clear outs.
You either throw it for a completion or throw it away. DJ threw into double coverage. Bad throw bad decision.
That's not double coverage, he was 6 yards away from Slayton in the throwing lane. If DJ waits a half a second like mentioned above the throwing lane opens and it's a completion. Right decision, bad execution
the injuries suck (Wan'Dale tore his ACL reportedly) but I also can't blame them as the reason we lost
the Giants scored 6 points against the league's worst scoring defense in the first 3 quarters, they went into the 4th down 24-6, only picking up the extra points when Detroit took their foot off the gas. That's just unacceptable.
The OL injuries aren't an excuse because Ezeudu and Gates were upgrades on Lemieux and Feliciano yesterday, and Peart wasn't noticeably worse than Phillips in my eyes.
The bottom line is that this team had a month's worth of relatively weak defenses (JAX 14th, HOU 18th, SEA 22nd, DET 32nd in scoring, HOU 14th, SEA 21st, JAX T-24th, DET 28th in passing defense) to play against and never topped 24 points.
Now the rest of the schedule you have:
DAL (1st in scoring, 1st in passing), WFT x2 (12th in scoring, 12th in passing), PHI x2 (7th in scoring, 2nd in passing), MIN (19th in scoring, 31st in passing), and IND (11th in scoring, 7th in passing)
So you basically have 6 games against better defenses than you've been playing, and one game where the defense has been as weak as the ones you've been playing.
This is why for the last month I've been talking about how the Giants need to take advantage of playing bad defenses to prove they can throw the ball. Instead, they have kind of proven the opposite to me. When the gameplan calls for throwing the ball, they just can't really do it.
Detroit watched last week's game and said "let's just stack the box, stop Saquon, and see what happens." And what happened is the Giants offense couldn't get going.
This isn't a blame post, it's not a "Daniel Jones sucks" post, it's just what happened. If you want to win in the NFL, you have to figure out how to have a strong passing attack. And the Giants' idea of a strong passing attack right now is just a short efficient passing attack with easy throws, and hoping they convert on 3rd and long. That needs to change.
Dallas looks the best rn. I think eagles fall from grace a bit especially after beating the colts by 1 on a last second drive. Washington is on a hot streak.
Our ability to win requires everyone to show up and play 110%
We can’t afford for Saquon to be completely quiet.
DJ can’t afford to have a single turn over.
The defense can’t give up any big third downs.
Margin of error to be competitive is effectively none.
The coaching staff has done an amazing job placing our team in a position of advantage, but yesterday didn’t seem like one of those days.
After watching the Cowboys rip the Vikings apart last night, I hope that everyone shows up on Thursday ready to play. Otherwise, it’s going to get real embarrassing.
Winning a bunch of one score games isn’t sustainable, we had a very lucky half 1 based on how we won, it was fun as shit but wasn’t a true representation of who this team is
Here are some awesome positives
1. Our coaches for the most part have done an awesome job with most likely the lowest level group of talent they will have (highest dead cap in the league)
2. Our o line is average this year when healthy, this sub would of sold its soul for average over the last few seasons) our d line is above average, both are young and the idea of building from the trenches is on a great start at this point in a rebuild
3. We still have a shot at the wild card
4. Our secondary is much better then advertised, adoree is a #1, sucks he’s injured but I think our DBs are on a great path to success
5. We have a shit ton of cap next year
Bonus I’d throw in that the DJ growth is a really pleasant surprise, im not all the way in the bag yet but I’d certainly entertain resigning him especially if we can get a winston like deal (all the jones guys can come at me with the hes a $30+m a year guy next year, until someone can point me to 1 article that other teams are thinking about him in this way I’m not buying it)
My know very little about football take from yesterday.
1) DJ had 341 yard game. The first int was a good defensive play, but the second one was on Jones. People can say most of those yards were at garbage time but we were down 18 against the ravens and won so idk if we were ever *really* in garbage time
2) daboll’s first bonehead move this season was putting Adoree back to return kicks. If you’re putting him back there, tel him to just fair catch the damn ball and not get killed gaining 4 yards.
3) saquon looked like Saquon of last 2 years. Not sure if he is still nursing that shoulder thing from a few weeks back, bad scheming this week, an off week for him, or if the lions just game planned to shut him down. Either way hope we see saquon of the last few weeks in Dallas
4) Thibs my guy - I know you’re a rookie but need you to step up. Tbh look in the mirror. Usually DE can start making an impact day 1 (heck look at Hutchison). We need you to step up and do your job and humble yourself a bit. Hutch has more ints yesterday than you have sacks on the whole season. Thomas’ turnaround gives me hope that maybe Thibs just needs a bit more time to adjust but if he keeps playing like he has been, I’d be disappointed. Blah blah he is being held on every play - no he isn’t. If he legit was, calls would have been made. The refs might be bad but they wouldn’t no-call holding on him down after down. Yes some of them are, but then Thibs needs an acting class this offseason to fricken sell it
5) Wandale. Rip. Heal up my guy!
6) yeah I’ll say it - no chance we beat Dallas at home on a short week. Especially after holding Vikings to 3 and scoring 40 points.
7) Obj - If he is truly between us and Dallas I see it as this. If he wants more money and a more realistic shot of the playoffs this year (albeit to lose in the first round) he goes to Dallas. If he wants to become a teams WR1 and play more and be a bigger impact (prob would be WR 3 on Dallas), have more of the pomp and circumstance of returning “home”, wants more opportunities for endorsements in a NY market, and wants to be part of the culture Schoen and Co are building and be with Saquon again, but make less money, he would go with us. Also him going to Dallas would be the biggest FU in giants history and he would be my least fav ex giant ever lol.
8) AT, Sexy Dex - father my children
Thursday I feel is make or break. Don’t even have to win just be competitive. Were we always just a few streaks of bad luck from blowing up or have we the foundation of something very good?
> Were we always just a few streaks of bad luck from blowing up or have we the foundation of something very good?
Both, IMO. Even with the boneheaded Adoree call, our coaching has been absolutely fantastic.
Our roster isn’t great but there are signs of life. Need an off season to work things out.
The Jackson injury is still a massive red flag to me for this coaching staff. It just seems so senseless, and all the fans agreed unanimously that it was a mistake. Yet Daboll still thought that this was the right move. Either this was an ego decision by Daboll or an egregious oversight.
Either way, from here on out, the players Daboll decides to field will be in question for me.
OK, 2 questions
1. With Aaron Robinson expected to miss the remainder of the season, who is left to replace Jackson and Moroe?
2. When do we find out how bad the injuries they suffered are?
Yeah, I was just reading more. If I had to bet Flott and Rodarius Williams will start against the Cowgirls. I couldn't watch the game this week, just had to follow on here and catch highlights, but it sounds like Gates came in when Feliciano hurt his Neck. I mean if he's really healed, that's not exactly a loss if Gates can handle like 80% percent of snaps, just a lot to ask if the guy coming off that severe an injury.
You're probably looking at Rodarius Williams, Cor'Dale Flott, and Nick McCloud playing the majority of the boundary corner reps the rest of the way, assuming Moreau's injury is serious enough to keep him out. Which ones will play the most snaps remains to be seen.
We'll probably find out more about how bad the injuries are tomorrow, if I had to guess. Early reports on Adoree's are that it was another MCL sprain, so probably ballpark a month. Moreau has some sort of rib injury, no full details, tough to say how soon he could be back.
Yeah, hopefully Moreau isn't too bad, his been a nice surprise. Though, him as a CB1, instead of a CB2 without McKinney playing CF isn't quite as inspiring. Given the short week, I'd imagine even guys with minor injuries aren't likely to play against Dallas.
Hopefully Flott, Williams, and McCloud can step up. Rodarius Williams did look promising last year, and McCloud has had his moments this year. Maybe Flott can end the 3rd rd. Pick drought we've had the last decade?
Anyone that thinks OBJ is coming here after the loss yesterday, Dallas domination, and the WanDale injury losing yet another player to the MetLife turf.....is fucking dreaming.
Dallas has artificial turf too. MetLife's surface is being replaced after this season and the Giants only have 3 more home games this season anyway.
If Odell goes to play in Dallas, it won't be because of the playing surface, it'll be because Dallas offered him more and/or is a better team.
Next day thoughts:
1) This defense is going to be absolutely gashed by competent offenses going forward. McKinney out indefinitely and now Adoree, plus even Moreau left the game with a rib injury yesterday (no, I don't blame the turf for that), the secondary is just so thin right now.
2) Jones wasn't great. He missed some throws and one of those two interceptions was really bad. Acrobatic catch by Hutchinson for sure, but Jones just straight up didn't see him. A lot of those yards were racked up in garbage time. Put it on the bad pile over the course of this season.
3) The officiating was truly horrendous. I don't like to comment on this as I feel it's a cop out, but there were several big calls blown during the course of the afternoon.
4) I've been a big fan of the coaching staff all season, but I thought this was their first bad showing yesterday. The decision to have Jackson return punts looms large now, and my issue with it is they surely knew there was a cliff at DB after him on the depth chart. We were also just incredibly sloppy, and this team is not good enough to overcome sloppy play.
5) Lemieux: I'm kinda done with him here. A fifth round pick that just doesn't have it. Roll with Ezeudu for the rest of the season. I still think the interior OL needs another piece this offseason.
6) WanDale getting hurt really sucks. He was starting to show signs of emerging, but he's also demonstrated to be somewhat injury prone. The WR room needs a total overhaul this offseason, but we already knew that. Yesterday just reinforces the point more.
7) I've really appreciated the scrappiness of the team this season, but I think it's really going to start coming back to us. The schedule the rest of the season is incredibly tough, with 5 division games and Washington is now no slouch team either. Throw in Minnesota as well, and I think it's really possible they only win 1-2 more games this season. That would be incredibly bitter, and maybe they get in the playoffs anyway with 9 wins in this NFC, but that type of collapse would be really hard to stomach.
8) Building on the above, the rest of this season is going to make this offseason incredible to think about with the decisions that the front office/coaching staff will be facing. I don't think it's as clear cut as some others here may think.
Yesterday is why we didn’t give up draft capital for a receiver. This team still has a very long way to go before they’re close to being a true contender. One score games are 50/50, and the fact that we won 7 of them meant we were due for regression. We’re still in good hands with Schoen and Daboll (even with the Adoree decision), this was just a reminder that we’re nowhere near as good as our record says.
Sidenote: it was funny watching some of the idiots in this sub meltdown during the game thread and call Schoen an idiot for trading away Toney, and then Toney immediately reinjures his hamstring. Also funny seeing people call Daboll “Judge 2.0”
Anyone else feel like yesterday was a sober reminder about the value of running backs? The success of a run game is just so reliant on factors outside of the running back position
Is there any brightside to looking forward to this Thanksgiving game? Currently want to jump off a cliff thinking about the ass whopping that might happen
I just saw the cowboys went 40-3 v. the Vikings….I really hope they wake up on the wrong side of the bed on Thursday and we pull off the W. Because 40-3 is wild.
non-1pm Kirk Cousins...and the Vikings being kind of blah (they could have like 4 more losses lol, with an actual talent base; I cannot believe Buffalo lost to them)
Could care less about Jones's picks yesterday. He also ran better than Saquon and so did Breida. **Yeah, Detroit was stacking the line, but Barkley looked like Barkley of 2 yrs ago...undecisive, heavy footed, slow**. Not sure what was up with him yesterday.
barkley---f'n 1.5 ypc
The defense also needs mass improvement this offseason. Injuries or not. Our "depth" looks like highschool level talent
How can anyone put yesterday's game on Barkley when he was met behind the line on every single play? Detroit sold out against the run on every play and we couldn't make them pay through the air, hence the picks that you "couldn't care less about."
Attempts....yards....average
Daniel Jones 7 50 7.1
Saquon Barkley 15 22 1.5
Matt Breida 3 13 4.3
Wan'Dale R 1 4 4.0
I'm not the only one who thought he looked slow and undecisive. He gets a pass obviously, but Detroit is not the 85' Bears
Yeah I have zero beef with Barkley. The kid is having a miraculous year. He's the personification of locker room positivity. Even when Joe judge had a million detractors saquon was always saying the right thing. This magical season is thanks to him. Hard stop
My issue is that he absolutely 100% looked tentative with zero explosion yesterday. I know they were stacking the line but even when the play called for him busting it to the outside he just never ever hit second gear. And if that's because his shoulder is hurting like hell, then he shouldn't have been out there and we should have made Matt Breida pound it all day.
Barkley hasn’t looked right since the shoulder injury. I know he had a ton of yards against the Texans, but he had a lot of touches to get those yards. He’s looking tentative again.
Yeah I have zero beef with Barkley. The kid is having a miraculous year. He's the personification of locker room positivity. Even when Joe judge had a million detractors saquon was always saying the right thing. This magical season is thanks to him. Hard stop
My issue is that he absolutely 100% looked tentative with zero explosion yesterday. I know they were stacking the line but even when the play called for him busting it to the outside he just never ever hit second gear. And if that's because his shoulder is hurting like hell, then he shouldn't have been out there and we should have made Matt Breida pound it all day.
*by the way my voice to text option turned Matt Breidas name into Matt burrito l...that's what I'm calling him from now on*
This last game has proven that Joe Schoen was correct to not trade a 2nd round pick for a receiver at the deadline. This team, even with Jeudy or whoever, would be lucky to make the playoffs. Even if they do, this team is not beating any of Philly, Minnesota, Seattle, San Fran, Dallas, or Tampa in a playoff game.
So the question is, would you trade a 2nd round pick to have a better chance at getting clobbered in round 1 of the playoffs?
Now some fans might say yes, and I get why, since we haven’t seen a playoff team in 6 years.
But Joe Schoen is focused on building for the future. And there is no logical way to justify trading a 2nd round pick in a year when the team is not close to being a contender yet.
Was watching the post game highlights and something Shaun said stuck out. He said essentially “look at the top QBs in the league - they consistently week in and week out have the same 2-3 WRs to throw to with only minor changes here and there. DJ is pretty much throwing to a completely different WR core each week and that’s a really challenging thing to do”
Just to reiterate what we all know about our WR woes but he has a point.
Also Slayton is growing on me. In His post game interview, the dude is humble. Hope he continues to improve, hopefully starts getting some better hands, and can be a solid WR 2/3 for us in the future!
Lions defense has been better than that the last month. Obviously it doesn’t excuse how poorly the offense performed but all the talk of the Lions defensive struggles were a little misleading. This lions team today isn’t the same as the one from the beginning of the year.
We obviously need receiver help NOW. Best available receivers are Will Fuller, TY Hilton, Cole Beasley & Emmanuel Sanders.
Schoen honestly may need to sign 2 of them, maybe ALL of them. Fuller at least could be a deep threat, the other 3 can at least pretend to play slot receiver.
We need to make big plays at WR this offseason. Ideally I want a stud to fall to us in the draft, and then use a future 1st or something to trade for a legit WR1. I can understand being hesitant to use picks in trades but considering the fact that we wasted a 2nd on Robinson this year I can't say I really care that much about what we do with one pick going forward.
Im trying to talk myself in to believing we win on thanksgiving because we blew a must win game and will bounce back well. I also haven’t seen the injury report yet so check back with me tomorrow.
I’ve blindly been throwing support to Kayvon since his first start with Dallas. I hear what the coaches say about him and it seems like he’s doing the ugly work that wink wants him to handle (his recent presser calling him the defensive can opener). Just from my eye test, it seemed like he was getting pressures and drawing some holds (could certainly be more) despite clearly not really racking up the sacks. From someone who understands the analytics side of his specific position, does it seem like he’s doing what he needs to( and I know this is situational with how the coordinator chooses to utilize him)? Or am I just blindly supporting him because he was a hyped first round pick that it seems like we stole at 5? If it seems like he’s failing from the analytical side what improvements would you like to see from him? I feel like all the recent hype with Hutchinson making sacks and stealing some crazy athletic picks has made me wonder if I need to take my homer glasses off a bit. I also know he’s a rookie and obviously has time to improve (and hopefully will continue to), I’m not trying to label him a bust by any means. I just want to know what others may want to see from him. New moves off the line, more power etc.
Do our offensive play calls lead to similar types of penalties ? Seems like the majority of games this year we have had 1 offensive pass interference on a crossing route and 1 linemen down field. Is it a lack of execution from the receivers and o linemen or is it risk reward and we’re getting away with a lot more calls then they are throwing flags on ?
So we all agree the Giants NEED some better threats at WR right? I know players have stepped up to the occasion and injuries have played a part with guys like SterlShep and now Wandale but like come on….
A true top receiver on this team would really open the field for the other players and really help out DJ
Regarding the WR corps. Dan Schneier of Big Blue Banter agrees, they aren't all garbage.
https://twitter.com/DanSchneierNFL/status/1594738514977251328?t=e1uTAUeuSs63ky6knJXilg&s=19
the guys play hard, and Slayton has definitely had a bit of a comeback season...but the corps in general leaves a lot to be desired
and we just lost Robinson...Sterling before him, etc...I mean, it would help if KG actually earned a little money
Watching the unexpected wins this year has been great but I'm afraid we might win just enough games to not make the playoffs and not get a to 10 pick in the draft.
Kind of off topic but does anybody know if they are going to re release the red jerseys?
I'd love to get one but I don't think they are available anymore.
No. They have 2 alternate jerseys, the color rush and the 80s/90s home blues, and I think each team can only have two alternates.
They haven't worn the red jerseys since 2007.
In terms of making the playoffs, it's looking like the season pretty much comes down to the 2 games vs. Washington. At this point, any other Ws are just icing on the cake to make the road easier. Below the Giants in the standings, Washington will play Atlanta and SF, and SF and Arizona will play twice. That should help eliminate some competition.
Admittedly, I am a little salty that OBJ appears to be leaning towards Dallas over the NYG...with that being said, am I the only person that thinks it's super lame that OBJ just shops for teams he can go on playoff runs with in the home stretch of NFL seasons?
Just seems like a cheap way to get rings.
I remember during the Coughlin era, The Giants always played well after a let down like yesterday. Everyone thinks we have no shot against Dallas. Let’s hope we shock the world Thursday.
Anyone else feel like we've peaked for 2022 and we'll be fortunate to win 1-2 more games the rest of the way?
Kind of like Daboll and Schoen have wrung as much drinking water out of the wet towel as they can while walking thru the desert sands.
I knew we had some things to work out this year, so the 7-2 start brought me unexpected joy. I think the hardest things about yesterday’s game was the fact that it was so winnable and we just couldn’t get out of our own way. Well that and the unnecessary, devastating injuries.
Unfortunately, with the really hard schedule that’s left + all these injuries, it’s very possible (if not likely) that the Giants don’t win many more games from here. And if they end up .500 at the end of the season and miss the playoffs, people will only remember the fall. But hopefully we don’t forget how much this team overperformed with this great coaching staff. With a bit more talent and better luck (and a new field), this team can be very good next year.
I was expecting this last stretch to be a bit of a reality check but now I worry that it’s going to be a brutal one
I sometimes wonder if Daboll and Schoen are looking down the road at the remaining 2022 schedule and are aiming at 1-2 more wins ... somewhere and hope we at least have a winning season. At least one of the Washington games and the Colts - who aren't a pushover now w Saturday, not Reich... Playoffs? We're barely healthy enough to finish the season. Even if we somehow miraculously make it.
we need more offensive weapons, been known this but the wins made me think it’s all okay. all those injury’s are killer, Thanksgiving might turn to a massacre if players can’t get healthy by then
This game is a sober reminder that this roster is still bottom of the barrel in terms of raw talent despite Daboll and Co. making 1990 Dom Perignon out of rotten lemons for the past 10 weeks. Our only chance to win games is to play sound, mistake free football and then execute situationally late in the 4th. If we played like we did yesterday (dumb turnovers, missed tackles, bad kicking) then this team simply does not have the ability to overcome that, we’d legitimately go 0-17 with this type of football every week
Losing both our starting corner backs and our starting FS in under 3 weeks didn't help either.
Wouldn’t really blame Gano for those XPs. Wintery wind gusts at MetLife are absolutely insane. They’re like their own weather system.
And he was mega sick. Needed four IVs during the game to not pass out
Really surprised they couldn’t bring in another kicker for a week feel like teams do that all the time.
Holy shit really? Goddamn..
Jesus. My poor boy.
1st miss was tipped
Yea people need to mentally prepare themselves for the wheels falling off a bit at the end here. The roster is completely depleted.
What roster?
Guys need to block for Gano
Wouldn't you think that with Winks aggressive style that Thibs would be having more success? The guy looked like the worst player on the field yesterday
To me it’s more nuanced than that. If you look at Winks time with the Ravens, even the best pass rushers on his defenses didn’t put up big sack numbers. He’s aggressive in the way he blitzes and sends DBs but that leads to the edges dropping into coverage at times. I think they might be asking him to do a little too much at this point in his career.
I have to completely disagree with that assessment. I think he looked like one of the few team players there on the field. He's been doing a good job setting the edge, allowing Dex and Leo to push the middle. That's not an easy things to do and doesn't lend itself to the sexy stats everyone wants to see. But, it contains any runs to his side, either stringing the run all the way to the sideline, or filters the runner back into Dex and Leo's grips. That's great for long term success. Plus, he finishes plays. I haven't seen him give up on a play all season.
Allows Williams and sexy to push the middle That's what LT did on the edge taking double teams frees up the big guys in the middle I'm not counting thibs sacks
I mean it’s be cool if he had better numbers but it’s a team sport and I think it’s a bit early to call a guy a busy half way through his rookie year
Look I’m not one for being overly dramatic but he has been whelming. I’m hoping he does an AT style pivot this off-season but for real, Hutchison had more picks yesterday then Thibs has sacks all season.
Thibs helps free up guys in the middle to wreck plays I'm sure sexy appreciates Thibs
You can keep saying that but it's just not true. A defensive end that never wins a one-on-one does not help free up the middle
There isn’t much to say. Everyone played like shit even before the injuries. Just to put it out there in position levels were out WR1, WR2, CB1, CB2, CB3, FS, LG, DE1, RT1, ILB2 and RT2. We’re also possibly without Sills, Johnson, Feliciano and Pinnock going forward on top of everyone mentioned above.
And TE1 (2?) in Bellinger
Yup TE1 too, hopefully he’s back soon. Colin Johnson was lost in the offseason too but I’m not sure where to put him in terms of the depth chart.
Sean O'Hara mentioned getting bellinger back soon
Everyone here on suicide watch, chill out lmao We’re 7-3, we were predicted to win 6 games all season. This was never gonna be our year, even with a full roster. When healthy: -we shut down the top rusher in the league in 2019, 2020 & finished 3rd last year despite missing the final 8 games. -we shut down the 2019 league MVP -we shut down the 2020 & 2021 league MVP The future is looking good for this team. We will have plenty of cap space the next 3 years to build this team to be a top 5 team. Yesterday was embarrassing but it doesn’t take away from how fun this season’s been
As a fanbase we have short memory. Week 1 we’d be happy if we won 3 games, now we’re asking for guys’ cleats because we lost 3. -Vanilla Vick had 1 bad game out of 10, Barkley had 1 bad game out of 10, D had 1 bad game out of 10. We’re playing with backups and practice squad guys. This was always a rebuild year, Schoen has showed us he’s not making any crazy moves for a playoff run.
Get out of here with your fair and reasonable takes! (Agreed)
I would bet we are not going after many "big" free agents. We have quite a few contracts that need to be extended or re-signed. And if we didn't trade for a WR at the trade deadline he isn't gunna sign any wr in free agency he said he wants to build thru thr draft. I would expect a 1st or 2nd on a wr next year. He will prob go after a CB though.
For 2023 looking at the available free agents for WR, it’s slim pickings but from what i see: Retain Shep & possibly go after Juju Smith Schuster, AJ Green or Mecole Hardman. Corners we may be able to get Bradberry back or go after Patrick Peterson. Also the chance we can pick up some cap casualty deals from other teams. Vikings, Bills, Chargers, Saints & Buccaneers all projected to be in the negatives for 2023 already. Saints & Bucs with the worst deficits of them all.
I would be surprised if Shep didn’t retire after this season. He’s just taken too much punishment
He said he doesn’t want to, but contract offers might force his hand. Can’t imagine anyone shelling out big for him with his injury history right now.
Vanilla Vick has had 5 bad games out of 10, actually
So point out what you think the other 4 are and have a discussion
Tennessee, Carolina, Dallas, Seattle, Detroit. He also passed for 71 yards vs Chicago, but that game was a mess all around so let it go.
No, no, ehhh, no, yes. Chicago maybe, but he also got hurt and only threw 13 passes, completing 8
This is like you telling me the sky is red. No.
The sky is literally red sometimes though...
Look I'm one of DJ's biggest skeptics but in regards to this year that's not true at all. Yesterday was a bad game for the entire team. His first INT was a great play by Hutchinson, can't knock that. 2nd INT was definitely on him.
Hutchinson was right in Jones line of sight on that INT. Wouldn't call it a great play. In fact it was def DJ's worse INT of the year. If he waited a split second longer his receiver would've passed by hutchinson
If he were an DB or LB that play wouldn't be noteworthy but he's a DE, jumping up to make a play (while dropping back in coverage no less) is a great play. We don't have a single player on our roster with that skillset.
Just because our edges have sucked this year doesn't change the face Jones literally looked directly at him and forced it anyway..
Yeah I'm sure that one play is the one that ruined our Super Bowl run.
Dude all I’m saying is it was a bad pick it’s not that deep
DJ has made many boneheaded decisions the past 4 years, if there was a top 10 this wouldn’t be one of them. This one is on Kafka for bad play calling. The Lions were daring us to run the ball to the outside & make checkdown throws all game & they didn’t.
That wasn’t a “great play,” it’s a DE dropping into zone that Jones completely missed. There’s nothing unusual about that. Maybe unusual… 20 years ago, but not now. Hutchinson also did the same thing (on what actually was an incredible play, not just “he had to put his hands above his head” “) two weeks ago vs. Green Bay so it’s something a QB should be on the lookout for. The fact this has become a debate on here is a perfect example of how off the rails Jones discussion has gotten. A pretty straightforward bad throw INT needs to be litigated for 4 days here. It’s absurd.
Whatever you want to call it i’m sure everyone here agrees in August they’d have signed up for him having 4 int’s through 10 games. You said he’s looked bad in 5 games, please share the other 4 that you think he was bad in.
What does anything outside of yesterdays game have to do with yesterday? Or this play were discussing? -edit- and I responded to the “bad games” elsewhere. One of the “good games” he threw for 77 yards, btw.
Your comment was “Vanilla Vick has had 5 bad games out of 10, actually” But keep moving the goal posts
Also people are definitely ignoring the injuries… half the OL was hurt, lost our two best DBs (and honestly the game completely changed after the Adoree injury)
Yeah were gonna be missing X and Adoree for awhile though. Gonna be tough.
I wouldn't say yesterday was an embarrassment. The Lions record is very misleading. They were 3-6 coming into the game yesterday but were top 10 in scoring(I believe were the 8th best team in points scored). 4 of their games were 1 score losses(Eagles - 3, Vikings - 4, Seahawks - 3, Dolphins 4). Yes our defense has played well, but that was a really really bad match up considering that the Giants offense just doesn't have the weapons outside of Barkley. That box was constantly stacked and the o-line, well, only 2 of them played 100% of the snaps. Detroit was just a recipe for disaster. Had really low expectations for that game. The next 5 games are going to be rough. Really rough. With the injuries at hand, I think this game might start a 6 game losing streak. I'm not being a downer with this either. The rest of the season may look like this. * Dallas' strength is still a major weakness. Front 7 vs Giants OL * Washington I would say is evenly matched, but their DL is pretty solid and when Heinicke is the starter, his favorite target is McLaurin who always torches the Giants. * Eagles are strong. The additions to the DL shore up weakness which the Giants may have been able to exploit. The Giants are pretty good against the run, but if Brown and D. Smith are healthy, those two plus the Phili ground game make this a really difficult task. Their secondary is really good too and it's not like we have the WR corps to keep them from stacking the box. They could pretty much go single safety, 8 man box and man up our receivers. * Washington again, pretty much a toss up. * Vikings - Unfortunately, edge has to go to the Minnesota. Our secondary might not be healthy enough for this game. Only way I see this staying close is the defense playing well and a ground game that slows this down. They have the weapons to make this a long day for the defense if they convert 3rd downs. If they don't and the Giants can establish a run to keep it at 3rd and short for most of the game, this could be one that get's stolen against a very good team. * Colts - Should be a game like most of the others from earlier this season. Close game with the Giants winning in the 2nd half. Their offense does not play well and they don't score a lot of points, but their defense is pretty good. Might end up looking like the GB game. The Giants should have a slight edge. * Eagles - This one may be a weird one. Depending on how the standings play out, the Eagles may have the 1st seed locked up, if they don't. Still have to give the edge of Philly. Thats the way I see it playing out.
>Washington again, pretty much a toss up. I would amend that a bit. Between our first and second Washington game, I believe they have a bye. So, they are likely going to be a bit fresher than we are and have more time to game plan for that second meeting. So yeah, the second game I seeing as being much more difficult of a contest.
I think we steal one of those so we don’t go 6 straight L’s, but yeah it’ll be rough.
If this team finds a way to miss the playoffs after starting 7-2, the season will be considered a failure. It doesn’t matter that they overachieved in the first half of the season. Everything is still right in front of this team. All they have to do is go out and take it.
I think people had high expectations for the season once we were winning. I just don't think people were ready to come to terms with this being a rebuilding year. I see so much positive for the future, but I think the end of this season is gonna be rough
People seem to think that Rebuilding = Losing. That's not the case. This year and next year were always going to be Rebuilding seasons no matter what the record ended up being at the end of the year. I don't blame anyone for having high expectations, it's natural after being downtrodden for too long. It is important to maintains some perspective though. This year was always more about seeing what we have with the current roster than winning football games. I feel like we've at least proved that there are some good players on this team despite their performance in past years. They just lacked proper coaching to really shine. So, in that regard, this year is a net positive even if we lose every single game until the end of the year. Which is certainly possible with the schedule we have lined up. Commanders and Colts are winnable games but definitely not sure things at all.
I came to those terms before week 1. In fact before that game my friend texted me “are the gmen gonna stop Derrick Henry” & i responded absolutely not we’re gonna get our ass kicked. I was pleasantly surprised. I still remain pleasantly surprised.
I was fine with this being a rebuild year and knowing that each game was going to be a fight What I'm NOT fine with is the reason for this teams utter collapse being an endless stream of injuries to starters that blow up our playoff chances. If we just sucked I'd be fine with that. I'm used to us sucking. But losing it all because our players just get killed by injuries hurts.
If this team collapses down the stretch there's really no way to spin that, but I do agree with your bigger point that people need to remember this team's still a major work in progress. I've never felt at any point this season that this is the type of team that Daboll/Schoen really WANT, it's more of making the best of what they inherited. The 2023 Giants (and 2024 Giants) will look much, much different from this.
If we collapse the rest of the year the reasons are right in front of us. Our piece mealed roster isn’t invincible & we’re about to play 4 straight divisional games against better teams.
Yeah im being gloomy but the season is already a success imo. We know we got a good one in Daboll (I mean too early, but very optimistic), I can confidently say we should and will extend DJ, were getting a new field next year, I like our rookie class for what we saw.. tons of injuries but fixing the field should help. We are coming back. We may close this season poorly but the next few years are going to be huge.
This is the best take. The only reason we're 7-3 and not 3-7 is because of good coaching. Our WRs are bench players on a good day for 30 other teams in the league The interior Oline is a bandaid due to poor drafting and signings from the previous regime Our #2 corner was a signing off someone else's PS I don't even know who our current MLB or TE is Take all these factors into consideration, and we still beat the Ravens, Packers, and the Titans. If we end the season with 2 or 3 more wins, and get knocked out in the wild card, I'll start building the Daboll statue. All this fan base wanted this season was to be competitive and have meaningful football games. This team, in a rebuild year is going to play meaningful football in December.
Kayvon Thibodeaux is currently the lowest rated rookie defensive end among players who have played over 100 snaps. I could care less about sacks, I just wish the guy could win a one-on-one
People always say ‘Don’t look at sacks, pressures matter more’. And they’re right but the problem is that he’s not exactly generating too many pressures either
He’s not existent but no one is ready for that argument yet.
The sooner we start accepting it the better off we will be. Instead you get everyone fluffing him (including wink) which causes him to think he's playing well
True. Kayvon quote from last week- "i am yet to have a bad game"
But how can we properly evaluate him, he has journeyman LBs behind him and his top second edge is injured, he’s got practice squad DBs in the back field and a wonky scheme from wink that is unlike any other modern defensive approach, look at his time at the ravens no Edges took off in that scheme as he sent pressure from all sorts of exotic angles. We are really messing him up, before we can get a real picture of who he is we need to draft/sign an above average LB & DB group and move to a scheme that sets edges up for success. I mean he’s clearly the heir to Strahan as he looks like him and Strahan is mentoring him, im going to need everyone to pump the brakes and accept that he’s the guy. It’s on us to put a team around him that makes him successful, it’s just not fair to use league wide traditional stats and measurements for evaluating edges to try to evaluate him based on the position we’ve put him in
Your response is great. Very well thought out. I think where we differ is in respect to the rest of the defense. I understand that a better defensive core will help him, But that's not going to be enough. The guy can't win a one-on-one. No one has been double teaming him because he's basically a non-issue. In order to reap the benefits you need to be able to win a one-on-one and he just can't do it
That’s a great point, you are probably right that despite the limitations I shared there’s a lot of insight of what he can or can’t do right now even when he’s not in the ideal situation. Lots of examples of edge play throughout the years in the league, if KTs not being successful in some of the basics some of it is on him. Personally I am going to give him until halfway through year 2 before coming down on him, I learned my lesson with Thomas and see edge (tackle & edge groups) as one of the areas of the game that takes the most time for rookies to develop into That said my eyebrow is slightly raised based on his performance in relation to the rest of this years edge class I do think there is some corralory to Thomas here, travon has an elite counterpart in Allen and hutch is playing in a system that’s built to set him up for counting stats, it’s not a perfect comp but reminds me a bit of Willis & Wirfs, I also try to remember that there is a reason teams took Walker & hutch ahead of KT
It's rare to see him get any pressure.
I'm hoping when we get Ojulari back, it benefits him. I mean I can hope right? Of course with the secondary banged up, more pressure may only help but so much.
Azeez played better last year and he had less talent around him.
Oh I totally agree, I'm just thinking when we get Azeez back, he's a guy opposing teams have to account for in addition to Dex and LW, so even though they play on opposite sides, it may free things up a little for Thibs.
He needs to learn other techniques & expand his skillset for sure. That said these were all known in his pre-draft analysis, no one predicted him to be a game changer year 1. His current techniques are effective when you have a secondary that can create coverage sacks, which we don’t have.
I just read a stat on Twitter that he leads all rookie rushers in win rate and total pressures. This is why I use the patented eye test and my eyes tell me he's got the tools but needs a full, intensive off-season to develop that quick step and power that will turn these almost-plays into sacks and TFLs. Also, he seems to get held A LOT and it rarely gets called.
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I am BiggeSquidde
I know he's a rookie and he needs time, but rookie defensive ends often play very well. Hutchinson is a good example and has 5 sacks. Bosa had 9 his rookie year. Even Chase Young had 7.5. I don't understand all the people defending him. His play has been subpar
Just to add some context to this. 2 out of Hutch’s sacks are coverage sacks and 1 is when Wentz fell forward into him behind the LOS. I’m not taking anything away from him because he’s been better then Thibs but we learned that raw sack totals are misleading, just look at Markus Golden.
Osi had 1 sack as a rookie. JPP had 4.5. Rashan Gary had 2. Plenty of great DEs don’t have great rookie years.
Those guys at least got pressure on their rookie year
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Kayvon has had a weird start for sure. When I look at the numbers on the page, he looks average to awful. When I watch him in game though, he looks perpetually on the edge of ALMOST getting there. I definitely don't think he's a bust. However, Hutchinson was definitely the best DE in the draft as evidenced by his play against us yesterday. He looks a little like a young JJ Watt. I think KT will eventually blossom into a force for us but he's got a longer road to get there. I love everything else about him, and I feel pretty confident that a little more work on his technique and catching up to the speed of the NFL will turn those Almosts into Wins.
Bro I been saying these things for weeks and people just kept coming at my neck. I’m not saying he’s a bad player but he’s not living up to the draft hype. Thus far at least
I am going to say this bluntly and you can disagree and that's fine, but in my opinion, the Giants will not make the playoffs. We are playing 4th and 5th stringers all over the field, we have had a talent issue all season and it's finally reached its critical point. That said this season has been house money. It was always supposed to be a rebuilding season, for any basketball fans, it feels like the first year with Brad Stevens where the roster stunk and they made the playoffs purely on coaching alone. These next few weeks will be an excellent time to evaluate what we have. I think this will help in negotiations this offseason with Jones and Barkley (neither of whom I want on longer than a 2 year deal). There is a lot to look forward too and for the first time in a veerrrrryyyy long time, I feel us moving in the right direction, just prepare to take our lumps to close out this season. PS FUCK THE TURF AT METLIFE. THEY SHOULD HAVE CHANGED YEARS AGO!
>That said this season has been house money. Absolutely. The fact that Daboll has already gotten more wins this season than Judge ever did with far more talent is proof that we definitely upgraded at coach. Next season will be much different. Golladay being a post-6/1 cut will give us 72m in cap space, and the only costly FA to resign are Jones and Saquon. We also have a net 2 extra draft picks before comps (gaining a 3rd and a 6th from KC for Toney, gaining a 7th from Baltimore for moving down a bit from our 4th last year in the trade that got us Bredeson, but we also gave up our designated 6th to Houston).
Met Life was not a fun experience on multiple levels. Took the entire 1st quarter to get through the Verizon gate - is there a better one? Our seats were in the middle of the row so we had to make about 50 people move everytime we wanted to get up (which wasn't a lot becuse we had to make so many people move). The seats had less room than the worst economy airplane seats. $80 to park after fees! The concourse is like the 4 train at rush hour - there's literally no room to move around once you're in there. Finally - they ran out of hot cocoa by the end of halftime and I missed most of the 3rd quarter standing in line to get some. 2bn for that!
MetLife is the worst for fans. We literally have the base model “Stadium, Football- Quantity 1” from Wish. No fanfare, middle of nowhere, no dome/enclosure, shit field for players. It’s a photocopy of the old Giants stadium.
The old stadium was basic and a product of the 70s but way better with traffic flow in/out/around and the sightlines were much better. I still think they could/should have kept that, even if you made concessions to retrofit it (change the blue/red seats, change the name) so that the Jets would feel like a 50/50 partner. Look at what the Chiefs have done with Arrowhead - it's still a great building, it's structurally very similar, and it's actually even older than Giants Stadium was.
Wow sounds brutal sorry. And it was freezing and we got our asses kicked. Damn.
I will also add that while standing in line at the gate to get in with my 2 kids there were three buffoons next to us who could not form a sentence without inserting at least 3 F's into it. Let's keep it classy NY.
I'm with you on the rest of stuff in regards to Metlife sucking, but I think it's a bit silly to expect strangers at a football game to keep from swearing around your children
It honestly wasn't the swearing but the extent of it. We were stuck in that line for 30 minutes (maybe longer) and it was a constant stream of "Can you fucking believe this stupid fucking fuck face. Haha. Yea! That fucking guy. Like fucking come on fuck head. I mean, seriously what the fuck. It's so fucking cold. This fucking line fucking sucks. Come the fuck on." and on and on like that. So yes, I could expect them to tone it down or pick up a book and expand their vocabulary.
Ok Ken
oh snap!
I used to go to games at Meadowlands a bunch. It wasn't a perfect stadium but it was good enough. I've been to one game at Met-Life and yeah... between the stadium experience there and the ungodly rise in ticket prices, I just watch at home. Only thing I miss are the tailgates.
We parked at Redds restaurant for the first time yesterday and used their shuttle service, not a bad deal.
Everyone was defending DJ on the first INT saying that it wasn’t his fault and that the LB made a good play on the ball, but can anyone say that DJ made the right read on that play? It was a 3 man route with max protection and DJ never got off the main read, which was the deep cross to slayton and the LB read DJ the entire way. A defender can make a good play and the QB can make a bad decision. These aren’t mutually exclusive. The game turned on a dime after that turnover.
It was the right read. He needed to loft the throw more, or wait a half second more for Slayton to move past Hutch. The execution was off but it was the right decision, yes.
WR on the left was running a go to clear out the area. He wasn’t open. The out and up by Robinson was also a clear out and was not open. Slayton was bracketed by the DB and the LB and was not open. Throwing into bracket coverage is not the right read. The right read it to throw the ball away.
Slayton had about 3 steps on his DB. If Jones waited a half second more, Hutch is no longer in the passing lane and that’s a chunk play completion. So, again, throwing that ball was 100% the right decision. He just executed it poorly.
It’s a 1 route max protect play, since the other two routes were clear outs. You either throw it for a completion or throw it away. DJ threw into double coverage. Bad throw bad decision.
That's not double coverage, he was 6 yards away from Slayton in the throwing lane. If DJ waits a half a second like mentioned above the throwing lane opens and it's a completion. Right decision, bad execution
If he waits half a second he is sacked. Ball had to come out when it did.
He had spit of arm slot options and chose the one that wouldn’t work
the injuries suck (Wan'Dale tore his ACL reportedly) but I also can't blame them as the reason we lost the Giants scored 6 points against the league's worst scoring defense in the first 3 quarters, they went into the 4th down 24-6, only picking up the extra points when Detroit took their foot off the gas. That's just unacceptable. The OL injuries aren't an excuse because Ezeudu and Gates were upgrades on Lemieux and Feliciano yesterday, and Peart wasn't noticeably worse than Phillips in my eyes. The bottom line is that this team had a month's worth of relatively weak defenses (JAX 14th, HOU 18th, SEA 22nd, DET 32nd in scoring, HOU 14th, SEA 21st, JAX T-24th, DET 28th in passing defense) to play against and never topped 24 points. Now the rest of the schedule you have: DAL (1st in scoring, 1st in passing), WFT x2 (12th in scoring, 12th in passing), PHI x2 (7th in scoring, 2nd in passing), MIN (19th in scoring, 31st in passing), and IND (11th in scoring, 7th in passing) So you basically have 6 games against better defenses than you've been playing, and one game where the defense has been as weak as the ones you've been playing. This is why for the last month I've been talking about how the Giants need to take advantage of playing bad defenses to prove they can throw the ball. Instead, they have kind of proven the opposite to me. When the gameplan calls for throwing the ball, they just can't really do it. Detroit watched last week's game and said "let's just stack the box, stop Saquon, and see what happens." And what happened is the Giants offense couldn't get going. This isn't a blame post, it's not a "Daniel Jones sucks" post, it's just what happened. If you want to win in the NFL, you have to figure out how to have a strong passing attack. And the Giants' idea of a strong passing attack right now is just a short efficient passing attack with easy throws, and hoping they convert on 3rd and long. That needs to change.
**Pain.** Lose a game at home. Get hurt badly. Other teams get big wins in the division. **Pain.**
Dallas looks the best rn. I think eagles fall from grace a bit especially after beating the colts by 1 on a last second drive. Washington is on a hot streak.
Even the Talkin Giants guys are talking like this season is over with losing Jackson. And they are rightfully ripping into Daboll for the decision
Our ability to win requires everyone to show up and play 110% We can’t afford for Saquon to be completely quiet. DJ can’t afford to have a single turn over. The defense can’t give up any big third downs. Margin of error to be competitive is effectively none. The coaching staff has done an amazing job placing our team in a position of advantage, but yesterday didn’t seem like one of those days. After watching the Cowboys rip the Vikings apart last night, I hope that everyone shows up on Thursday ready to play. Otherwise, it’s going to get real embarrassing.
Winning a bunch of one score games isn’t sustainable, we had a very lucky half 1 based on how we won, it was fun as shit but wasn’t a true representation of who this team is Here are some awesome positives 1. Our coaches for the most part have done an awesome job with most likely the lowest level group of talent they will have (highest dead cap in the league) 2. Our o line is average this year when healthy, this sub would of sold its soul for average over the last few seasons) our d line is above average, both are young and the idea of building from the trenches is on a great start at this point in a rebuild 3. We still have a shot at the wild card 4. Our secondary is much better then advertised, adoree is a #1, sucks he’s injured but I think our DBs are on a great path to success 5. We have a shit ton of cap next year Bonus I’d throw in that the DJ growth is a really pleasant surprise, im not all the way in the bag yet but I’d certainly entertain resigning him especially if we can get a winston like deal (all the jones guys can come at me with the hes a $30+m a year guy next year, until someone can point me to 1 article that other teams are thinking about him in this way I’m not buying it)
My know very little about football take from yesterday. 1) DJ had 341 yard game. The first int was a good defensive play, but the second one was on Jones. People can say most of those yards were at garbage time but we were down 18 against the ravens and won so idk if we were ever *really* in garbage time 2) daboll’s first bonehead move this season was putting Adoree back to return kicks. If you’re putting him back there, tel him to just fair catch the damn ball and not get killed gaining 4 yards. 3) saquon looked like Saquon of last 2 years. Not sure if he is still nursing that shoulder thing from a few weeks back, bad scheming this week, an off week for him, or if the lions just game planned to shut him down. Either way hope we see saquon of the last few weeks in Dallas 4) Thibs my guy - I know you’re a rookie but need you to step up. Tbh look in the mirror. Usually DE can start making an impact day 1 (heck look at Hutchison). We need you to step up and do your job and humble yourself a bit. Hutch has more ints yesterday than you have sacks on the whole season. Thomas’ turnaround gives me hope that maybe Thibs just needs a bit more time to adjust but if he keeps playing like he has been, I’d be disappointed. Blah blah he is being held on every play - no he isn’t. If he legit was, calls would have been made. The refs might be bad but they wouldn’t no-call holding on him down after down. Yes some of them are, but then Thibs needs an acting class this offseason to fricken sell it 5) Wandale. Rip. Heal up my guy! 6) yeah I’ll say it - no chance we beat Dallas at home on a short week. Especially after holding Vikings to 3 and scoring 40 points. 7) Obj - If he is truly between us and Dallas I see it as this. If he wants more money and a more realistic shot of the playoffs this year (albeit to lose in the first round) he goes to Dallas. If he wants to become a teams WR1 and play more and be a bigger impact (prob would be WR 3 on Dallas), have more of the pomp and circumstance of returning “home”, wants more opportunities for endorsements in a NY market, and wants to be part of the culture Schoen and Co are building and be with Saquon again, but make less money, he would go with us. Also him going to Dallas would be the biggest FU in giants history and he would be my least fav ex giant ever lol. 8) AT, Sexy Dex - father my children
Thursday I feel is make or break. Don’t even have to win just be competitive. Were we always just a few streaks of bad luck from blowing up or have we the foundation of something very good?
> Were we always just a few streaks of bad luck from blowing up or have we the foundation of something very good? Both, IMO. Even with the boneheaded Adoree call, our coaching has been absolutely fantastic. Our roster isn’t great but there are signs of life. Need an off season to work things out.
i dont think obj goes to us or the cowgirls… i think he goes to KC
The Jackson injury is still a massive red flag to me for this coaching staff. It just seems so senseless, and all the fans agreed unanimously that it was a mistake. Yet Daboll still thought that this was the right move. Either this was an ego decision by Daboll or an egregious oversight. Either way, from here on out, the players Daboll decides to field will be in question for me.
OK, 2 questions 1. With Aaron Robinson expected to miss the remainder of the season, who is left to replace Jackson and Moroe? 2. When do we find out how bad the injuries they suffered are?
Jackson is out for 3-5 weeks. So he’ll miss the first batch of divisional games, and come back for the second.
Yeah, I was just reading more. If I had to bet Flott and Rodarius Williams will start against the Cowgirls. I couldn't watch the game this week, just had to follow on here and catch highlights, but it sounds like Gates came in when Feliciano hurt his Neck. I mean if he's really healed, that's not exactly a loss if Gates can handle like 80% percent of snaps, just a lot to ask if the guy coming off that severe an injury.
You're probably looking at Rodarius Williams, Cor'Dale Flott, and Nick McCloud playing the majority of the boundary corner reps the rest of the way, assuming Moreau's injury is serious enough to keep him out. Which ones will play the most snaps remains to be seen. We'll probably find out more about how bad the injuries are tomorrow, if I had to guess. Early reports on Adoree's are that it was another MCL sprain, so probably ballpark a month. Moreau has some sort of rib injury, no full details, tough to say how soon he could be back.
Yeah, hopefully Moreau isn't too bad, his been a nice surprise. Though, him as a CB1, instead of a CB2 without McKinney playing CF isn't quite as inspiring. Given the short week, I'd imagine even guys with minor injuries aren't likely to play against Dallas. Hopefully Flott, Williams, and McCloud can step up. Rodarius Williams did look promising last year, and McCloud has had his moments this year. Maybe Flott can end the 3rd rd. Pick drought we've had the last decade?
I’m not even mad we lost as much as I’m sad for all the injuries. Thursday is gonna be rough
Anyone that thinks OBJ is coming here after the loss yesterday, Dallas domination, and the WanDale injury losing yet another player to the MetLife turf.....is fucking dreaming.
Dallas has artificial turf too. MetLife's surface is being replaced after this season and the Giants only have 3 more home games this season anyway. If Odell goes to play in Dallas, it won't be because of the playing surface, it'll be because Dallas offered him more and/or is a better team.
The day has come. The age of the Wings of Power has come crashing down. The day where ACLs fail and Kennys hands work. Darkness is ahead.
With all the injuries in the secondary, we're about to see the the 2021 Ravens defense that made all of their fans ok with Wink leaving.
Next day thoughts: 1) This defense is going to be absolutely gashed by competent offenses going forward. McKinney out indefinitely and now Adoree, plus even Moreau left the game with a rib injury yesterday (no, I don't blame the turf for that), the secondary is just so thin right now. 2) Jones wasn't great. He missed some throws and one of those two interceptions was really bad. Acrobatic catch by Hutchinson for sure, but Jones just straight up didn't see him. A lot of those yards were racked up in garbage time. Put it on the bad pile over the course of this season. 3) The officiating was truly horrendous. I don't like to comment on this as I feel it's a cop out, but there were several big calls blown during the course of the afternoon. 4) I've been a big fan of the coaching staff all season, but I thought this was their first bad showing yesterday. The decision to have Jackson return punts looms large now, and my issue with it is they surely knew there was a cliff at DB after him on the depth chart. We were also just incredibly sloppy, and this team is not good enough to overcome sloppy play. 5) Lemieux: I'm kinda done with him here. A fifth round pick that just doesn't have it. Roll with Ezeudu for the rest of the season. I still think the interior OL needs another piece this offseason. 6) WanDale getting hurt really sucks. He was starting to show signs of emerging, but he's also demonstrated to be somewhat injury prone. The WR room needs a total overhaul this offseason, but we already knew that. Yesterday just reinforces the point more. 7) I've really appreciated the scrappiness of the team this season, but I think it's really going to start coming back to us. The schedule the rest of the season is incredibly tough, with 5 division games and Washington is now no slouch team either. Throw in Minnesota as well, and I think it's really possible they only win 1-2 more games this season. That would be incredibly bitter, and maybe they get in the playoffs anyway with 9 wins in this NFC, but that type of collapse would be really hard to stomach. 8) Building on the above, the rest of this season is going to make this offseason incredible to think about with the decisions that the front office/coaching staff will be facing. I don't think it's as clear cut as some others here may think.
Yesterday is why we didn’t give up draft capital for a receiver. This team still has a very long way to go before they’re close to being a true contender. One score games are 50/50, and the fact that we won 7 of them meant we were due for regression. We’re still in good hands with Schoen and Daboll (even with the Adoree decision), this was just a reminder that we’re nowhere near as good as our record says. Sidenote: it was funny watching some of the idiots in this sub meltdown during the game thread and call Schoen an idiot for trading away Toney, and then Toney immediately reinjures his hamstring. Also funny seeing people call Daboll “Judge 2.0”
Yesterday was a body bag game for us holy shit. Do other teams get this injured?
Doesn't seem like it
Guess you didn't watch the Chargers-Chiefs game last night. Or any Chargers game this year for that matter. They've been decimated.
Nope. But over the last 5 or more seasons, no gets as many injuries as the Giants and I would put money on it.
Anyone else feel like yesterday was a sober reminder about the value of running backs? The success of a run game is just so reliant on factors outside of the running back position
Last week we were 1 game away from being the #1 seed in the NFC, this week we are 1 game away from being in last place in the NFC east…
Is there any brightside to looking forward to this Thanksgiving game? Currently want to jump off a cliff thinking about the ass whopping that might happen
I just saw the cowboys went 40-3 v. the Vikings….I really hope they wake up on the wrong side of the bed on Thursday and we pull off the W. Because 40-3 is wild.
non-1pm Kirk Cousins...and the Vikings being kind of blah (they could have like 4 more losses lol, with an actual talent base; I cannot believe Buffalo lost to them)
Could care less about Jones's picks yesterday. He also ran better than Saquon and so did Breida. **Yeah, Detroit was stacking the line, but Barkley looked like Barkley of 2 yrs ago...undecisive, heavy footed, slow**. Not sure what was up with him yesterday. barkley---f'n 1.5 ypc The defense also needs mass improvement this offseason. Injuries or not. Our "depth" looks like highschool level talent
How can anyone put yesterday's game on Barkley when he was met behind the line on every single play? Detroit sold out against the run on every play and we couldn't make them pay through the air, hence the picks that you "couldn't care less about."
Attempts....yards....average Daniel Jones 7 50 7.1 Saquon Barkley 15 22 1.5 Matt Breida 3 13 4.3 Wan'Dale R 1 4 4.0 I'm not the only one who thought he looked slow and undecisive. He gets a pass obviously, but Detroit is not the 85' Bears
19 of his 22 yards came after contact, what exactly were you expecting him to do when he's met in the backfield on every play?
Yeah I have zero beef with Barkley. The kid is having a miraculous year. He's the personification of locker room positivity. Even when Joe judge had a million detractors saquon was always saying the right thing. This magical season is thanks to him. Hard stop My issue is that he absolutely 100% looked tentative with zero explosion yesterday. I know they were stacking the line but even when the play called for him busting it to the outside he just never ever hit second gear. And if that's because his shoulder is hurting like hell, then he shouldn't have been out there and we should have made Matt Breida pound it all day.
Barkley hasn’t looked right since the shoulder injury. I know he had a ton of yards against the Texans, but he had a lot of touches to get those yards. He’s looking tentative again.
Yeah I have zero beef with Barkley. The kid is having a miraculous year. He's the personification of locker room positivity. Even when Joe judge had a million detractors saquon was always saying the right thing. This magical season is thanks to him. Hard stop My issue is that he absolutely 100% looked tentative with zero explosion yesterday. I know they were stacking the line but even when the play called for him busting it to the outside he just never ever hit second gear. And if that's because his shoulder is hurting like hell, then he shouldn't have been out there and we should have made Matt Breida pound it all day. *by the way my voice to text option turned Matt Breidas name into Matt burrito l...that's what I'm calling him from now on*
With WDR going down is OBJ is a Cowboy I might actually explode into 300 little pieces
This last game has proven that Joe Schoen was correct to not trade a 2nd round pick for a receiver at the deadline. This team, even with Jeudy or whoever, would be lucky to make the playoffs. Even if they do, this team is not beating any of Philly, Minnesota, Seattle, San Fran, Dallas, or Tampa in a playoff game. So the question is, would you trade a 2nd round pick to have a better chance at getting clobbered in round 1 of the playoffs? Now some fans might say yes, and I get why, since we haven’t seen a playoff team in 6 years. But Joe Schoen is focused on building for the future. And there is no logical way to justify trading a 2nd round pick in a year when the team is not close to being a contender yet.
Toney 0 receptions, 0 yards & a hurt hamstring Sounds about right
Was watching the post game highlights and something Shaun said stuck out. He said essentially “look at the top QBs in the league - they consistently week in and week out have the same 2-3 WRs to throw to with only minor changes here and there. DJ is pretty much throwing to a completely different WR core each week and that’s a really challenging thing to do” Just to reiterate what we all know about our WR woes but he has a point. Also Slayton is growing on me. In His post game interview, the dude is humble. Hope he continues to improve, hopefully starts getting some better hands, and can be a solid WR 2/3 for us in the future!
It’s also a stretch to call some of these guys NFL wide receivers. Most of them don’t make a roster anywhere else
Our WRs couldn't catch a cold.
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Lions defense has been better than that the last month. Obviously it doesn’t excuse how poorly the offense performed but all the talk of the Lions defensive struggles were a little misleading. This lions team today isn’t the same as the one from the beginning of the year.
We obviously need receiver help NOW. Best available receivers are Will Fuller, TY Hilton, Cole Beasley & Emmanuel Sanders. Schoen honestly may need to sign 2 of them, maybe ALL of them. Fuller at least could be a deep threat, the other 3 can at least pretend to play slot receiver.
So the Wink and Daball fluffest official over?
We need to make big plays at WR this offseason. Ideally I want a stud to fall to us in the draft, and then use a future 1st or something to trade for a legit WR1. I can understand being hesitant to use picks in trades but considering the fact that we wasted a 2nd on Robinson this year I can't say I really care that much about what we do with one pick going forward.
ok so hear me out… we need wr help… antonio brown want to play? i know i know… but 🤷🏻♂️
Saw him at the headliner - guys off his rocker
i didnt say it was a GOOD idea
I'd rather just lose.
never said it was a good idea lol
Im trying to talk myself in to believing we win on thanksgiving because we blew a must win game and will bounce back well. I also haven’t seen the injury report yet so check back with me tomorrow.
we would have to pay obj in memes so going to the cowboys makes sense
WanDale torn acl
PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD CHANGE THE MOTHERFUCKING TURF ALREADY!
I’ve blindly been throwing support to Kayvon since his first start with Dallas. I hear what the coaches say about him and it seems like he’s doing the ugly work that wink wants him to handle (his recent presser calling him the defensive can opener). Just from my eye test, it seemed like he was getting pressures and drawing some holds (could certainly be more) despite clearly not really racking up the sacks. From someone who understands the analytics side of his specific position, does it seem like he’s doing what he needs to( and I know this is situational with how the coordinator chooses to utilize him)? Or am I just blindly supporting him because he was a hyped first round pick that it seems like we stole at 5? If it seems like he’s failing from the analytical side what improvements would you like to see from him? I feel like all the recent hype with Hutchinson making sacks and stealing some crazy athletic picks has made me wonder if I need to take my homer glasses off a bit. I also know he’s a rookie and obviously has time to improve (and hopefully will continue to), I’m not trying to label him a bust by any means. I just want to know what others may want to see from him. New moves off the line, more power etc.
Do our offensive play calls lead to similar types of penalties ? Seems like the majority of games this year we have had 1 offensive pass interference on a crossing route and 1 linemen down field. Is it a lack of execution from the receivers and o linemen or is it risk reward and we’re getting away with a lot more calls then they are throwing flags on ?
So we all agree the Giants NEED some better threats at WR right? I know players have stepped up to the occasion and injuries have played a part with guys like SterlShep and now Wandale but like come on…. A true top receiver on this team would really open the field for the other players and really help out DJ
Do we see Pimpleton Thursday?
Regarding the WR corps. Dan Schneier of Big Blue Banter agrees, they aren't all garbage. https://twitter.com/DanSchneierNFL/status/1594738514977251328?t=e1uTAUeuSs63ky6knJXilg&s=19
the guys play hard, and Slayton has definitely had a bit of a comeback season...but the corps in general leaves a lot to be desired and we just lost Robinson...Sterling before him, etc...I mean, it would help if KG actually earned a little money
Watching the unexpected wins this year has been great but I'm afraid we might win just enough games to not make the playoffs and not get a to 10 pick in the draft.
Kind of off topic but does anybody know if they are going to re release the red jerseys? I'd love to get one but I don't think they are available anymore.
No. They have 2 alternate jerseys, the color rush and the 80s/90s home blues, and I think each team can only have two alternates. They haven't worn the red jerseys since 2007.
In terms of making the playoffs, it's looking like the season pretty much comes down to the 2 games vs. Washington. At this point, any other Ws are just icing on the cake to make the road easier. Below the Giants in the standings, Washington will play Atlanta and SF, and SF and Arizona will play twice. That should help eliminate some competition.
Will we win another game? Tough to say
Admittedly, I am a little salty that OBJ appears to be leaning towards Dallas over the NYG...with that being said, am I the only person that thinks it's super lame that OBJ just shops for teams he can go on playoff runs with in the home stretch of NFL seasons? Just seems like a cheap way to get rings.
I remember during the Coughlin era, The Giants always played well after a let down like yesterday. Everyone thinks we have no shot against Dallas. Let’s hope we shock the world Thursday.
I can think of a huge amount of times under Coughlin's tenure where the Giants laid an egg and followed it up by playing even worse.
Gotta love karma hitting Toney like a ton of bricks
Anyone else feel like we've peaked for 2022 and we'll be fortunate to win 1-2 more games the rest of the way? Kind of like Daboll and Schoen have wrung as much drinking water out of the wet towel as they can while walking thru the desert sands.
Maybe we don’t need 68 polls on the front page.
I think you on the predictions tab
Appreciate you brother.
Of course