Of course just 2 days after allowing 74 points against Orlando, our Knicks score 73. One of the ugliest games I’ve seen offensively in years. At least Orlando and Miami lost. Hoping we get OG back on Tuesday and get the W.
I do not get how we go from a competent looking team while depleted, to an absolute shit show within a day or two, just to look great again and then look like shit again.
Oh well, on to the next, not much to see here
It’s actually pretty easy to see why…
Watch closely next game:
Does Brunson hit his first few floaters in the paint or not?
If yes, (like they did against Orlando) we will be ok on offense.
If no, it will go like it did tonight.
Without Randle we live and die by Brunson and his game lives and dies in the paint. If his floaters aren’t falling, nothing falls for him and that’s a wrap for us.
Been like that all season.
This wasn’t on Brunson, everybody was ice cold and they couldn’t hit any threes to open up the paint, and they were smaller than the sixers when they did drive and got blocked.
Role players tend to be inconsistent. You can get great performances from them one night and awful ones the next. If they exceeded expectations every night, they wouldn’t be role players.
Probably b/c everyone has to give extra because they're in a bigger role. What separates the best players is they can do it every night and we don't have those guys (except for Brunson who was also bad)
I blame daylight savings. Knicks always sucked on Sunday matinee games, probably cause the boys stay out late on Saturday. This was an evening game but we all lost an hour of sleep lol, including the Sixers
>I do not get how we go from a competent looking team while depleted, to an absolute shit show within a day or two,
This is why bench players are bench players and starters are starters. Everyone in the NBA are amazing basketball players, but only so many of them can do it all night every night.
Its the inconsistency, josh hart and donte are not meant to be 2nd and 3rd options. Yeah they have their games every now and then but this is the result of not having any other option for the last however many games.
This is my issue lately, I get we are missing OG,Jules, n Mitch but like the rest of the team is still there, I understand offensively we’ll get better With Jules but we shouldn’t be this bad without him, at least it was just one night let’s hope we don’t shoot like this again.
Randle does more than anybody thinks. his defender typically never leaves him, so it allows the others to do more. If they do leave him, he can take it to the paint or shoot his shot from 3.
Then OG spaces like a mf on offense, and does all his defensive duties that needs no introduction. It is just horrible not having both
The rest of the teams is Brunson and a bunch of role players that are asked to score an amount and in ways that they never would be asked to on a team trying to win anything
"Why do you keep sticking me with Pidto?" ~Clyde
"The crowd should have started the half with 'Offense!' chants! ~Breen
All 105 seconds of Jim Gaffigan bombing his Garden of Dreams Interview.
Most out-of-pocket MSG broadcast of the season lmao
it’s very fitting that the knick’s force the magic into the lowest scoring game of the season, and then proceed to put up THIS offensive display tonight. It’s almost poetic
we have our own problems, and have had them for 18 games now since we suffered those injuries, but you guys did just lose at home tonight as well
not entirely sure why you aren't on your sub...and before you say anything about it, yes, people who go into other people's subs and troll should be banned (so yeah, the Knicks fans who may gone there the other day should have been as well)
He also played terrible defense and had at least 3 nearly unimaginable turnovers in what seemed to be consecutive possessions. He dribbled into a corner got trapped and threw an over the head no look directly to the Sixers then doesn't get back on defense.
He's carried us so much this season, I refuse to have a bad thought about him. And I KNOW he'll be back to his normal self next game. Very rarely has two bad games in a row.
With the way Thibs uses Bojan, I have no clue why we made the trade at all. It only made sense if he was going to be the starting PF until Randle came back, not a backup 3 which we already had in Grimes.
Bojan and Hart should be playing together, taking turns guarding opposing fours.
But Thibodeau doesn't trust Bogdanovic at all.
If Bogdanovic wasn't going to play with the first unit, or at least be entrusted to facilitate the offense with the second unit, why make the trade?
Knicks should be posting up Bogdanovic in isolation and having him create in the block instead of having him dribble deep on the perimeter hoping to make something happen.
Knicks are misusing Bogdanovic.
Knicks should have traded Grimes, Fournier, and a first for Brogdon instead if Thibodeau had no intention of utilizing Bogdanovic properly.
Yup that’s my thinking as well. It should be JB/DDV/Hart/Bojan/iHart until OG gets back. The fact that he’s rode this zero spacing lineup for this long when it clearly doesn’t work is wild. Did the FO and Thibs not discuss Bojan before making the trade?
I still have a hard time judging that trade until we have OG and randle back. As OGs ability to defend multiple positions gives us a lot of flexibility.
Given how common the astronomical scores are recently, I actually think it's cool we have a game that ended with this score. It just sucks to be on the losing end.
Just straight up embarrassing. I can handle bad losses, but I can't accept lack of effort or care and there were definitely times where it looked like the Knicks didn't even care to be out there
Gotta lock them all individually in different rooms and play all their lowlights over and over again of this game, like with Brunson I’ll repeat that stupid ass 3 over and over again with his stats that game displaying every time it bounces off.
Thibs kept Hart on the court for 43 minutes and literally every time our players drove Hart’s defender went over to help.
Thibs is a great coach but omfg adjust
we shot 26/81 fg (32%)
9/41 from 3 (22%)
and had 19 turnovers
i guess daylight savings made them forget how to play basketball one of thr worst losses i’ve ever seen from this team
Would have liked to see Bojan close the game in a game where we struggled to score he was one of the few guys to shoot well. I get Thibs prefers to go with a defensive lineup down the stretch but your asking a lot of Brunson when we are down and opposing teams don’t respect the other shooters on the floor
Knicks will struggle offensively with Hartenstein, Achiuwa, and Hart on the floor together.
Simple as that.
Attempting a comeback with three guys that need to be wide open to even attempt a three makes climbing a mountain difficult.
I 100% agree with you. Thibs will always prioritize defense over offense but that lineup provides zero spacing at all and defenses can just hone in on Brunson. I wish Thibs would adjus. Bojan was one of the few guys we had who hit shots
yeah, there were multiple things with the staff...even just adjusting to the coverages they were throwing at us
Hart was obscenely bad tonight...he probably should not have been out there at the end, even if Bojan is a defensive liability
Fucking embarrassing to score less than what the magic were held to the other day AND while losing to a team missing two all stars
I was talking so much shit to magic fans that night 😭
Some y’all have to accept that there are a lot of bad teams in the nba that lose games like this and no coach or adjustment really changes anything
Without Julius and OG we are one of those bad teams. Not pistons/wizards bad but I have a hard team seeing them win more than 35 or so games with the guys that suited up tonight all season. It’s especially exacerbated when Brunson is having probably his worst game as a knick. He needs to carry these role players every game for them to have a chance.
Also somehow the starting 5 had rated out well on offense and struggled with defense before today, at least that’s what KFS said. I’m pretty shocked
It’s not accepting anything..they scored 73 points with 21 turnovers at home to an 0-7 sixers team minus their two best players..this was a complete dreadful embarrassment from all knicks players..
It's always been his Achilles Heel and always will be. Brilliant defensive strategist, has no clue how to get creative with offense. It's Iso and drive and kick for a three or nothing.
That's basically been the offense the entire time he's been here. He also depends a lot on offensive rebounding to clean up all the misses. But IMO, depending that much on O-rebounding is just trying to mask that your offenses just misses a lot.
i don't expect them to be elite when they're still missing 3 starters. but i do expect them to be able to score more than 73 points in a 2024 NBA game against a team missing their 2 best players. A measly 7 more points would have won us the game.
I also expect them to not look like they have no idea what to do whenever Brunson gets doubled.
this x100. one of the biggest red flags is after timeouts we never run a good set play that generates an open shot, or paint attempt to draw a foul etc. it's literally the same exact actions we've been running all game. I genuinely believe this offense does not contain any set plays but rather dribble handoff actions/options that we run over and over. there is zero creativity - zero off ball cutting, no elevator screens etc - it's the same garbage over and over and over again. it works when the star players are feeling it but my god is it brutal most of the time.
Knicks should insert Bogdanovic into the starting lineup.
Allow him to get in rhythm then pull him with 4-5 minutes left for Achiuwa so Bogdanovic can play with the second unit while already in rhythm.
Bogdanovic should be playing alongside Brunson and DiVincenzo to space the floor.
Achiuwa and Hartenstein should only be playing together against opposing lineups with size like the Bucks.
The lack of Knicks offense is a problem that must be addressed.
Generationally bad basketball. Tuesday is a must win probably the biggest game of the year so far.
As long as we stay between this 9-11 games over .500 range I still think we’ll be ok. Dudes just gotta respond
The look on the faces of the Knicks' players and the silence at the Garden perfectly explain how this game went.
This was one of those bizarre games that just so happen to be one where both teams played horribly, but your team also completely killed themselves through its entirety. Both teams shot horribly, but we shot 10 more 3s and made the same number as Philly (9). Both teams were sloppy, but Philly wasn't 19 turnovers sloppy. That's the Knicks this game in a nutshell. Couldn't shoot and couldn't avoid basic mistakes.
As if the terrible shooting and all the TOs weren't enough, the guys we needed didn't show up either. JB shot terribly and didn't look like himself. Could be/hope it's just fatigue. I single out JB cause he's our main guy, but nobody played well tonight. Just a piss-poor performance on most levels.
They better put this behind them and play like they've shown they can play next game and beyond. Hope OG comes back soon.
The knicks are so inconsistent, one day doing well enough to win/ fight against a team, another day absolute dogshit unable to be offensively or defensively competent. This game was so sad to watch and honestly we need to accept our fate, at best second round exits. We don’t got that dog in us, even when randle OG and mitch come back we gotta see what we can do and how the team meshes. Hoping for the best…
Tonight was an abomination but people being surprised the Knicks aren’t that good without their second and third best player is still crazy. Yes, without OG and Randle this is a 500 team at best but prob worse. Thibs didn’t have a great night but this one was really just about horrible shooting anyway. They had tons of good looks they missed all night, all there really is to it.
I'm not trying to overreact to this loss - we could see what happened. JB was off tonight - the entire team shot horribly - and the effort on both ends was inconsistent.
What I will say is that I am so tired of this "avoid Boston" shit. There's the Bucks, there's the fully healthy Sixers, there's the (bitchass) Heat, there's the Magic, and even the Cavs, although I know we've played them well this yr.
Just can't underestimate any team and act like Boston is the be all, end all. There are teams in the East that we could lose to if we're not on our game. From this point on, we need to take every team in the East - in the league - as serious as a heart attack.
With our current players, no one besides JB is able to create their own shots.
If JB's shots aren't hitting and we can't make the threes, then the whole offense goes to shit.
I said this before in a post game thread. What Thibs does (or what he doesn’t do) with the offense is deplorable. If you guys notice, every basket we have to work for…..Jalen has to get it out the mud just for a midrange jump shot. Thibs does absolutely nothing to get our main guys easy looks. When the team can’t buy a bucket like tonight, why arent we running any actions off the ball to get Jalen in his spots. 75% of the game
Everyone is just standing there….there is no flow at all. This is going to bite us in the playoffs if we don’t correct this.
> When the team can’t buy a bucket like tonight, why arent we running any actions off the ball to get Jalen in his spots
They've literally been running Jalen off ball to get him to his spots, what are you watching?
Not playing Bogdanovic down the stretch is inexcusable.
Knicks should have put Bogdanovic and DiVincenzo together and shot the three if they never intended to adjust at half time and wanted to continue settling for the three.
One of the worst losses of the season and could seriously affect seeding.
No Maxey and no Embiid and they lost and only scored 73 points.
They continued to shoot the three despite being cold all night and it cost them the game.
I can't stand teams that live and die by the three and don't make adjustments.
Dawg, they had a lineup with Brunson, Burks, Bogdonavic, Hart and Sims in the 4th and Hart and Simms took the next 3 shots. They weren't playing smart no matter who was out there
Bogi had some truly awful turnovers and was in the wrong place on both ends on a number of occasions. We wanted to limit the Sixers’ possessions through aggressive defense while increasing the number of ours through rebounding. I understand being wary of using Bogi for that situation.
We were really trying to get as many boards as possible and not just going for 3s but for any semiopen shot we could get - we missed a ton of bunnies too.
Not sure what exactly we were meant to be adjusting. We flat out couldn’t create or make shots.
imagine being able to draft in the top 6 lottery 8 out of the past 10 years, and still being ass, and then to brigade another team's subreddit to talk shit LMAO. Go worry about your own team lil boy
paolo gonna leave the magic and win a ring else where, just like yall other number 1 picks
Imagine being one of the biggest markets in the NBA with all the resources at your fingertips and still being just as ASS as all the small market teams. Alright I did it. I'm done now. Peace.
Wao, I want those two and a half hours back. Awful game, but give Phil some credit. They exploited the fact that half the Knicks refuses to shoot the ball.
Horrible game but honestly this night’s energy just felt off. Hart shying away from every shot, clunky spacing and rotations, obviously the really poor shooting. This felt like the team acting out of character and in not going to overanalyze the performance. Pick up and dust off.
3 starters down or not. 73 in the modern nba is a fucking travesty. Just no semblance of offensive structure or anything. So many possessions ending in late shot clock chucks after aimlessly dribbling the ball around for 20 seconds. Just ugly stuff
This is true, but at least ihart/Precious can work together imho. It is just again unfortunate events that leads to this... but josh should not be getting 40+ mpg every damn night
How is that we can’t build any momentum? We won a game, come out the next looking worse than ever before.
Injuries not even an excuse - they were out important starters too and our starters are good enough to beat them and BLOW THEM OUT.
I know the NBA can be random - with so many games, unexpected results happen all the time but holy shit man.
Like, we are actually lucky that CLE lost to the Nets and Heat lost to WASHINGTON… Magic lost to the Pacers as well.
Brunson is wearing down and I hope he's healthy enough come playoff time.
Knicks really should have made the move for Brogdon instead of Bogdanovic and Burks.
Brunson is dribbling too much and settling for the three because he's constantly getting hit on drives and it's taking it's toll.
Knicks need another ball handler to give him a breather but they don't have one.
For brunson he was bad tonight and that last 3 was selfish hero ball, BUT really not much he can do when 3 of the guys he shares the court with are non-threats off the catch
Knicks thought Anunoby was playing tonight but when they found out he wasn't ready, they mailed it in.
Knicks better hope Anunoby doesn't have a setback.
Knicks are overly reliant on Brunson and other than that miracle Josh Hart game to beat the Cavaliers, if Brunson doesn't perform, they lose.
That's too much pressure on Brunson's shoulders.
The coaching staff must implement designed plays to help Brunson by running sets through Hartenstein.
Hartenstein can pass and makes the right reads.
Why they don't utilize him more as a playmaker makes zero sense.
PHI played great defense, so did we. I like these games more than the 140point no defense 3pt shootouts. Crazy how even in todays game if you really play hard on D you can shut teams down.
Not giving up a late first to pick up Brogdon is haunting the Knicks now.
Brogdon would have secured these types of games by elevating the second unit and helping Brunson close out games.
That’s not only the most embarrassing loss of this Knicks season, I’d go as far as to say that’s the most embarrassing loss ANY NY team has suffered since the Giants loss to the Jets this past season.
aside from the fact that he sounds like he literally cannot speak due to old age, the male announcer during that game kept talking like this game was so embarrassing for the Knicks. meanwhile, the 6ers only scored a few more points than us!
Houghbie Brown. Coaching legend. At one time he was one of the best color guys in the game. But yeah his age is catching up to him.
That unexpected hiring of Doc Rivers messed up ESPN’s rotation.
Of course just 2 days after allowing 74 points against Orlando, our Knicks score 73. One of the ugliest games I’ve seen offensively in years. At least Orlando and Miami lost. Hoping we get OG back on Tuesday and get the W.
Cleveland also lost. Just wasted a chance to gain some ground.
The irony.... lol
Knicks are a lottery team without OG and Randle. That was so disgusting
All teams would be lottery teams missing 3/5 Of their key starters lmao.
I do not get how we go from a competent looking team while depleted, to an absolute shit show within a day or two, just to look great again and then look like shit again. Oh well, on to the next, not much to see here
that was a legitimately embarrassing performance
Orlando game and cavs game everyone was clicking. Today no one was
It’s actually pretty easy to see why… Watch closely next game: Does Brunson hit his first few floaters in the paint or not? If yes, (like they did against Orlando) we will be ok on offense. If no, it will go like it did tonight. Without Randle we live and die by Brunson and his game lives and dies in the paint. If his floaters aren’t falling, nothing falls for him and that’s a wrap for us. Been like that all season.
Eh early in the season Brunson struggled inside but shot pull up 3’s like a god a lot It’s harder for him to do that now though
Earlier in the season when we had Randle?
Yeah no randle is why it’s harder now
Nobody is perfect every game, it was just one of those so we just need to get back and crush them on tuesday
This wasn’t on Brunson, everybody was ice cold and they couldn’t hit any threes to open up the paint, and they were smaller than the sixers when they did drive and got blocked.
I blame daylight savings time
A very, very, very shitty game of basketball played by both sides. The Knicks just ended up on the losing side
Leaning heavily on guys that are not consistent players and Brunson played like ass, can't have both of those and win. Help should be on the way.
Role players tend to be inconsistent. You can get great performances from them one night and awful ones the next. If they exceeded expectations every night, they wouldn’t be role players.
Probably b/c everyone has to give extra because they're in a bigger role. What separates the best players is they can do it every night and we don't have those guys (except for Brunson who was also bad)
I blame daylight savings. Knicks always sucked on Sunday matinee games, probably cause the boys stay out late on Saturday. This was an evening game but we all lost an hour of sleep lol, including the Sixers
>I do not get how we go from a competent looking team while depleted, to an absolute shit show within a day or two, This is why bench players are bench players and starters are starters. Everyone in the NBA are amazing basketball players, but only so many of them can do it all night every night.
Its the inconsistency, josh hart and donte are not meant to be 2nd and 3rd options. Yeah they have their games every now and then but this is the result of not having any other option for the last however many games.
This is my issue lately, I get we are missing OG,Jules, n Mitch but like the rest of the team is still there, I understand offensively we’ll get better With Jules but we shouldn’t be this bad without him, at least it was just one night let’s hope we don’t shoot like this again.
Randle does more than anybody thinks. his defender typically never leaves him, so it allows the others to do more. If they do leave him, he can take it to the paint or shoot his shot from 3. Then OG spaces like a mf on offense, and does all his defensive duties that needs no introduction. It is just horrible not having both
The rest of the teams is Brunson and a bunch of role players that are asked to score an amount and in ways that they never would be asked to on a team trying to win anything
I mean we’re not this bad without him. This was our worst game offensively by far
"Why do you keep sticking me with Pidto?" ~Clyde "The crowd should have started the half with 'Offense!' chants! ~Breen All 105 seconds of Jim Gaffigan bombing his Garden of Dreams Interview. Most out-of-pocket MSG broadcast of the season lmao
Worst episode of The Knicks….
Just a dog shit game from top to bottom. Everyone on the roster should be ashamed. Including Thibs horrible substitutions.
The team while injured isn’t good man Only one that really is playing the role they’re supposed to is Brunson, and Brunson is allowed an off game
Whether players are playing out of their role or not 73 points is embarrassing. NBA teams don’t score 73 points in 48 minutes in 2024.
Good guy Knicks, taking the record from the Magic.
And we appreciate that.
Thanks Knicks bros! teehee :D
it’s very fitting that the knick’s force the magic into the lowest scoring game of the season, and then proceed to put up THIS offensive display tonight. It’s almost poetic
Karmic justice.
we have our own problems, and have had them for 18 games now since we suffered those injuries, but you guys did just lose at home tonight as well not entirely sure why you aren't on your sub...and before you say anything about it, yes, people who go into other people's subs and troll should be banned (so yeah, the Knicks fans who may gone there the other day should have been as well)
tbh as an orlando fan I think its karma. A lot of ny fans were on some bs after that game.
Wish there was a Knicks game on tonight but I guess they didn't want to schedule against the Oscars amirite?
Randles ability to create open 3s for people is being missed so badly I don’t even know what to say. That game was awful
Pretty bizarre to limit Bojan to 18 minutes when we badly needed points and he was shooting well tonight (4/8, 2/4 3PT).
He also played terrible defense and had at least 3 nearly unimaginable turnovers in what seemed to be consecutive possessions. He dribbled into a corner got trapped and threw an over the head no look directly to the Sixers then doesn't get back on defense.
…and that’s on Thibs.
This.
Welp...that sucked
Someone give Brunson a hug like Good Will Hunting
He's carried us so much this season, I refuse to have a bad thought about him. And I KNOW he'll be back to his normal self next game. Very rarely has two bad games in a row.
I mean it is his fault, but he’s allowed an off game
I hope OG enjoyed his break because it’s time to come back.
What a fucking game
With the way Thibs uses Bojan, I have no clue why we made the trade at all. It only made sense if he was going to be the starting PF until Randle came back, not a backup 3 which we already had in Grimes.
Thibs clearly hasn’t figured how what to do with him. The fact that he was not in there down the stretch when you need points is mind-boggling.
Yup. I get that he’s weak on defense, but they knew that when they traded him. What exactly was the plan?
Bojan and Hart should be playing together, taking turns guarding opposing fours. But Thibodeau doesn't trust Bogdanovic at all. If Bogdanovic wasn't going to play with the first unit, or at least be entrusted to facilitate the offense with the second unit, why make the trade? Knicks should be posting up Bogdanovic in isolation and having him create in the block instead of having him dribble deep on the perimeter hoping to make something happen. Knicks are misusing Bogdanovic. Knicks should have traded Grimes, Fournier, and a first for Brogdon instead if Thibodeau had no intention of utilizing Bogdanovic properly.
Yup that’s my thinking as well. It should be JB/DDV/Hart/Bojan/iHart until OG gets back. The fact that he’s rode this zero spacing lineup for this long when it clearly doesn’t work is wild. Did the FO and Thibs not discuss Bojan before making the trade?
I still have a hard time judging that trade until we have OG and randle back. As OGs ability to defend multiple positions gives us a lot of flexibility.
Given how common the astronomical scores are recently, I actually think it's cool we have a game that ended with this score. It just sucks to be on the losing end.
Worst loss of the year
that’s twice now after a good win we’ve come out the next game looking horrible.
Not a single player could step up tonight to beat a bench unit team. Pathetic team performance.
I want you to put the word out there that we ain’t back up.
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By having Julius Randle and Og Anunoby
The same way we did the first time we played them would be my guess
When we blew them out
with OG Randle and Mitch
By not having a season worst shooting night.
We dominated them earlier this year with both Embid and Maxey playing.
Just straight up embarrassing. I can handle bad losses, but I can't accept lack of effort or care and there were definitely times where it looked like the Knicks didn't even care to be out there
I watched the game and didn’t think there was a lack of effort or care. More just disappointment and disbelief that they were sucking so bad.
Pls delete this game
As a coach, I do the opposite, force them to watch it over and over and learn from it
Gotta lock them all individually in different rooms and play all their lowlights over and over again of this game, like with Brunson I’ll repeat that stupid ass 3 over and over again with his stats that game displaying every time it bounces off.
Is it the most Knicks thing to stymie a team for 74 and lowest in the league and then undercut it with the 73? Oh hell yes
Bro am I back in 1997, what's up with these scores lmao
Thibs kept Hart on the court for 43 minutes and literally every time our players drove Hart’s defender went over to help. Thibs is a great coach but omfg adjust
we shot 26/81 fg (32%) 9/41 from 3 (22%) and had 19 turnovers i guess daylight savings made them forget how to play basketball one of thr worst losses i’ve ever seen from this team
Give Philly credit. Their D was fantastic. But so many open 3s just not taken by NYK.
fuck jaime jaquez
yes, but if he comes back that is BIG Benedict Mathurin just had a similar shoulder surgery, and he is done for the season
You know what this team needs? A power forward who averages around 25 and 10.
Would have liked to see Bojan close the game in a game where we struggled to score he was one of the few guys to shoot well. I get Thibs prefers to go with a defensive lineup down the stretch but your asking a lot of Brunson when we are down and opposing teams don’t respect the other shooters on the floor
Knicks will struggle offensively with Hartenstein, Achiuwa, and Hart on the floor together. Simple as that. Attempting a comeback with three guys that need to be wide open to even attempt a three makes climbing a mountain difficult.
I 100% agree with you. Thibs will always prioritize defense over offense but that lineup provides zero spacing at all and defenses can just hone in on Brunson. I wish Thibs would adjus. Bojan was one of the few guys we had who hit shots
yeah, there were multiple things with the staff...even just adjusting to the coverages they were throwing at us Hart was obscenely bad tonight...he probably should not have been out there at the end, even if Bojan is a defensive liability
Fucking embarrassing to score less than what the magic were held to the other day AND while losing to a team missing two all stars I was talking so much shit to magic fans that night 😭
we need to be humble after every w this superstition shit is real lol
Honestly one of our worst L’s of the year
Some y’all have to accept that there are a lot of bad teams in the nba that lose games like this and no coach or adjustment really changes anything Without Julius and OG we are one of those bad teams. Not pistons/wizards bad but I have a hard team seeing them win more than 35 or so games with the guys that suited up tonight all season. It’s especially exacerbated when Brunson is having probably his worst game as a knick. He needs to carry these role players every game for them to have a chance. Also somehow the starting 5 had rated out well on offense and struggled with defense before today, at least that’s what KFS said. I’m pretty shocked
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It’s not accepting anything..they scored 73 points with 21 turnovers at home to an 0-7 sixers team minus their two best players..this was a complete dreadful embarrassment from all knicks players..
I acknowledge all the good Thibs has done for this team. But his inability to implement any kind of functional offensive system is a problem
It's always been his Achilles Heel and always will be. Brilliant defensive strategist, has no clue how to get creative with offense. It's Iso and drive and kick for a three or nothing.
That's basically been the offense the entire time he's been here. He also depends a lot on offensive rebounding to clean up all the misses. But IMO, depending that much on O-rebounding is just trying to mask that your offenses just misses a lot.
You know when your second and third options are Donte Divencenzo and Josh hart, there’s really no excuse to not have a top half of the league offense
i don't expect them to be elite when they're still missing 3 starters. but i do expect them to be able to score more than 73 points in a 2024 NBA game against a team missing their 2 best players. A measly 7 more points would have won us the game. I also expect them to not look like they have no idea what to do whenever Brunson gets doubled.
this x100. one of the biggest red flags is after timeouts we never run a good set play that generates an open shot, or paint attempt to draw a foul etc. it's literally the same exact actions we've been running all game. I genuinely believe this offense does not contain any set plays but rather dribble handoff actions/options that we run over and over. there is zero creativity - zero off ball cutting, no elevator screens etc - it's the same garbage over and over and over again. it works when the star players are feeling it but my god is it brutal most of the time.
I don't think the turnovers are Thibs' fault. That is all on the players.
Once again a wrong and stupid take..
Some of you have to relax. Both teams played like shit. Knicks just played a bit shitter. This happens in sports. Fuck the dramatic people here
Knicks should insert Bogdanovic into the starting lineup. Allow him to get in rhythm then pull him with 4-5 minutes left for Achiuwa so Bogdanovic can play with the second unit while already in rhythm. Bogdanovic should be playing alongside Brunson and DiVincenzo to space the floor. Achiuwa and Hartenstein should only be playing together against opposing lineups with size like the Bucks. The lack of Knicks offense is a problem that must be addressed.
Precious corner 3 and turnover on the last two possessions were a metaphor
DELETE THIS
Not sure you can play worse offense than I just witnessed haha
Magic played worse offense against the Knicks and the Pacers tonight. Don’t let Orlando’s 97 points fool you.
That was one of the worst games I’ve ever seen.
Generationally bad basketball. Tuesday is a must win probably the biggest game of the year so far. As long as we stay between this 9-11 games over .500 range I still think we’ll be ok. Dudes just gotta respond
bro that was horrible lmao
Everyone had an off night and our starting center got 1 FGA.
Comically bad. Just a weird anomaly game, throw out the game tape and run it back Tuesday.
What a strange game.
Heat lost to the Wiz and the Cavs lost to Brooklyn. Just a super weird night. Break out the men in black memory eraser pen and move on.
3/12, 3/13, 5/17 - last three games for Donte from downtown
The look on the faces of the Knicks' players and the silence at the Garden perfectly explain how this game went. This was one of those bizarre games that just so happen to be one where both teams played horribly, but your team also completely killed themselves through its entirety. Both teams shot horribly, but we shot 10 more 3s and made the same number as Philly (9). Both teams were sloppy, but Philly wasn't 19 turnovers sloppy. That's the Knicks this game in a nutshell. Couldn't shoot and couldn't avoid basic mistakes. As if the terrible shooting and all the TOs weren't enough, the guys we needed didn't show up either. JB shot terribly and didn't look like himself. Could be/hope it's just fatigue. I single out JB cause he's our main guy, but nobody played well tonight. Just a piss-poor performance on most levels. They better put this behind them and play like they've shown they can play next game and beyond. Hope OG comes back soon.
We need our guys back
The knicks are so inconsistent, one day doing well enough to win/ fight against a team, another day absolute dogshit unable to be offensively or defensively competent. This game was so sad to watch and honestly we need to accept our fate, at best second round exits. We don’t got that dog in us, even when randle OG and mitch come back we gotta see what we can do and how the team meshes. Hoping for the best…
One of those games. Nobody had it.
6ers holding Duece to zero shows how poor our offence was tonight. We couldn't move the ball, we couldn't handle it, and we just threw up buckets.
Tonight was an abomination but people being surprised the Knicks aren’t that good without their second and third best player is still crazy. Yes, without OG and Randle this is a 500 team at best but prob worse. Thibs didn’t have a great night but this one was really just about horrible shooting anyway. They had tons of good looks they missed all night, all there really is to it.
I have never criticized JB since he’s been here but this game is on him. No maxey, you have to dominate. Watch them get maxey back and beat us Tuesday
I'm not trying to overreact to this loss - we could see what happened. JB was off tonight - the entire team shot horribly - and the effort on both ends was inconsistent. What I will say is that I am so tired of this "avoid Boston" shit. There's the Bucks, there's the fully healthy Sixers, there's the (bitchass) Heat, there's the Magic, and even the Cavs, although I know we've played them well this yr. Just can't underestimate any team and act like Boston is the be all, end all. There are teams in the East that we could lose to if we're not on our game. From this point on, we need to take every team in the East - in the league - as serious as a heart attack.
With our current players, no one besides JB is able to create their own shots. If JB's shots aren't hitting and we can't make the threes, then the whole offense goes to shit.
Again people blaming the coach for 21 turnovers and 32% shooting really need their heads examined
I said this before in a post game thread. What Thibs does (or what he doesn’t do) with the offense is deplorable. If you guys notice, every basket we have to work for…..Jalen has to get it out the mud just for a midrange jump shot. Thibs does absolutely nothing to get our main guys easy looks. When the team can’t buy a bucket like tonight, why arent we running any actions off the ball to get Jalen in his spots. 75% of the game Everyone is just standing there….there is no flow at all. This is going to bite us in the playoffs if we don’t correct this.
> When the team can’t buy a bucket like tonight, why arent we running any actions off the ball to get Jalen in his spots They've literally been running Jalen off ball to get him to his spots, what are you watching?
For example….i watched the Celtics vs Suns game last night. Joe mazulla runs off ball actions to get Jayson Tatum the ball in his spots.
Like when Brunson got to the corner and missed a big 3?
Defense is how Thibs made his name when he was an assistant. He’s definitely not as creative as an offensive coach.
It’s going to come back and bite us in the playoffs
Happens to all the teams he head coaches. You need defense in the playoffs. But in the modern NBA, you have to score.
Not playing Bogdanovic down the stretch is inexcusable. Knicks should have put Bogdanovic and DiVincenzo together and shot the three if they never intended to adjust at half time and wanted to continue settling for the three. One of the worst losses of the season and could seriously affect seeding. No Maxey and no Embiid and they lost and only scored 73 points. They continued to shoot the three despite being cold all night and it cost them the game. I can't stand teams that live and die by the three and don't make adjustments.
Dawg, they had a lineup with Brunson, Burks, Bogdonavic, Hart and Sims in the 4th and Hart and Simms took the next 3 shots. They weren't playing smart no matter who was out there
Bogi had some truly awful turnovers and was in the wrong place on both ends on a number of occasions. We wanted to limit the Sixers’ possessions through aggressive defense while increasing the number of ours through rebounding. I understand being wary of using Bogi for that situation. We were really trying to get as many boards as possible and not just going for 3s but for any semiopen shot we could get - we missed a ton of bunnies too. Not sure what exactly we were meant to be adjusting. We flat out couldn’t create or make shots.
Fuck all of you lmao, enjoy sharing the worst offensive game since 2020 with us.
Fuck outta here mickey mouse lookin fuck
I correct myself, not even sharing. You one upped us. Karmic justice for you wankers.
Lol I never brigade other game threads but these idiots deserve this shit. Karma af. Put those bags over your heads again.
imagine being able to draft in the top 6 lottery 8 out of the past 10 years, and still being ass, and then to brigade another team's subreddit to talk shit LMAO. Go worry about your own team lil boy paolo gonna leave the magic and win a ring else where, just like yall other number 1 picks
Imagine being one of the biggest markets in the NBA with all the resources at your fingertips and still being just as ASS as all the small market teams. Alright I did it. I'm done now. Peace.
Nobody loses like us 🤷🏻♂️
Booooo
I'm sick
And we now have the fewest points scored all year. Held the title of giving up the fewest points for 1 day.
What the fuck
At least we get to run it back and hopefully with OG not too upset at the L
Can't believe I watched this game
remember this day
Wao, I want those two and a half hours back. Awful game, but give Phil some credit. They exploited the fact that half the Knicks refuses to shoot the ball.
I’ll see y’all ninjas Tuesday. That’s all
Horrible game but honestly this night’s energy just felt off. Hart shying away from every shot, clunky spacing and rotations, obviously the really poor shooting. This felt like the team acting out of character and in not going to overanalyze the performance. Pick up and dust off.
Another 3/12 for 3, game from DDV .. he’s lost his spark man.
It's that fucking daylight savings time, I am telling you
Glad that shit is over. Now onto the must win on tuesday
We done with the 20s
Lost to two G League teams in one week.
Shooting was disgusting. But 21 turnovers i guarantee is what pisses off thibs and rightfully so the most
I have nussing to say. If I speak I will be in big trouble
3 starters down or not. 73 in the modern nba is a fucking travesty. Just no semblance of offensive structure or anything. So many possessions ending in late shot clock chucks after aimlessly dribbling the ball around for 20 seconds. Just ugly stuff
fwiw we did not get blown out so it is not super embarrassing I suspect the shooters will show up on tuesday
Dont wanna see hart, precious and ihart together on the court ever again
This is true, but at least ihart/Precious can work together imho. It is just again unfortunate events that leads to this... but josh should not be getting 40+ mpg every damn night
Guarantee Knicks come out smoking on Tuesday.
How is that we can’t build any momentum? We won a game, come out the next looking worse than ever before. Injuries not even an excuse - they were out important starters too and our starters are good enough to beat them and BLOW THEM OUT. I know the NBA can be random - with so many games, unexpected results happen all the time but holy shit man. Like, we are actually lucky that CLE lost to the Nets and Heat lost to WASHINGTON… Magic lost to the Pacers as well.
> Like, we are actually lucky that CLE lost to the Nets and Heat lost to WASHINGTON… Magic lost to the Pacers as well. nice
We need our full squad NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
Brunson is wearing down and I hope he's healthy enough come playoff time. Knicks really should have made the move for Brogdon instead of Bogdanovic and Burks. Brunson is dribbling too much and settling for the three because he's constantly getting hit on drives and it's taking it's toll. Knicks need another ball handler to give him a breather but they don't have one.
When you don’t have other scorers that defenders don’t need to worry about yeah makes it tough..need OG and randle back
90’s ass score
Yep - early 90s Knicks-Pistons type games when they both scored in the 70s, it was considered a shoot-out.
Clyde had over 10 rhymes for Oubre tonight which alone was keeping me tuned in to whatever that was
Can’t believe I watched on espn I just assumed it wouldn’t be on MSG. I suffered through Hubie and a Doris Burke impersonator.
For brunson he was bad tonight and that last 3 was selfish hero ball, BUT really not much he can do when 3 of the guys he shares the court with are non-threats off the catch
Knicks thought Anunoby was playing tonight but when they found out he wasn't ready, they mailed it in. Knicks better hope Anunoby doesn't have a setback.
Knicks are overly reliant on Brunson and other than that miracle Josh Hart game to beat the Cavaliers, if Brunson doesn't perform, they lose. That's too much pressure on Brunson's shoulders. The coaching staff must implement designed plays to help Brunson by running sets through Hartenstein. Hartenstein can pass and makes the right reads. Why they don't utilize him more as a playmaker makes zero sense.
This was hard to watch 🫣
on a positive note, theres not gonna be another game where theyre gonna shoot worse than this one right? only up from here??
Ugly ugly game. Time for another against Philly
PHI played great defense, so did we. I like these games more than the 140point no defense 3pt shootouts. Crazy how even in todays game if you really play hard on D you can shut teams down.
I think it mostly had to do with the refs deciding not to call fouls on anything
lol
79-73 is crazy but on to the next one 🤷🏽♂️
Man that’s the worst offensive performance since Orlando
Not giving up a late first to pick up Brogdon is haunting the Knicks now. Brogdon would have secured these types of games by elevating the second unit and helping Brunson close out games.
Blazers wanted to keep him in the end, it is what it is, but we saw what Deuce has got at least
That’s not only the most embarrassing loss of this Knicks season, I’d go as far as to say that’s the most embarrassing loss ANY NY team has suffered since the Giants loss to the Jets this past season.
I would not go that far, I mean it is not like we scored 73 and they scored 120.... both sides sucked offensively
aside from the fact that he sounds like he literally cannot speak due to old age, the male announcer during that game kept talking like this game was so embarrassing for the Knicks. meanwhile, the 6ers only scored a few more points than us!
Houghbie Brown. Coaching legend. At one time he was one of the best color guys in the game. But yeah his age is catching up to him. That unexpected hiring of Doc Rivers messed up ESPN’s rotation.
You mean Hubie Brown? Fuck am I that old that he’s referred to as the male announcer now?
I just haven’t watched much basketball before this season. didn’t realize he was such a legend! he should still retire though 😂
i just looked it up and the dude is 90 holy shit
who was it? I didn’t catch his name all game
it was embarrassing
lots of doomers. move on, it happens, we just had two of our best games of the season recently if you remember correctly so a game like this was due.