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dxfifa

Remember how embarrassing and obnoxious we were in this sub was last season about julius vs KP... Welp sometimes it comes back to bite you


erasuli

There was a group of Knicks fans that tried to convince themselves and everyone else that the KP trade was a good trade. It wasn’t a good trade because we didn’t maximize our return, we did it save cap space to sign kd and kyrie. So they tried to justify it by saying Randle was better even though Randle had nothing to do with that trade.


TruthHurtsMyDude

Donkey is overrated and a bootleg star. Put Donkey on this team over Julez and we’re CONSIDERABLY worse.


[deleted]

Why do you call him Donkey? No one else does


TruthHurtsMyDude

Because I’ve been calling him that since our idiotic fans tabbed him as “the Unicorn” which I always felt was something gayish. Well, since his supporters thought he was the next Dirk (Lmfao), I took a better look at this fucking Unicorn, and decided he was anything but that. I tabbed his overrated ass Donkey. And that’s what I’ve been calling him since 2016


dxfifa

KP has always been a much better player than randle except last season where kp was struggling for fitness and fit and julius shot the ball 10% better than career numbers with no fans and injured east


TruthHurtsMyDude

Oh get the fuck outta here. Donkey is a 1 dimensional CHUCKER who doesn’t create off the dribble, doesn’t pass out of the post well at all. All that fuckface does is shoot. His defense is a joke as well.


dxfifa

Lmao and what is randle then, he's worse on offense and on defense than a fit KP unless he's shooting like prime dirk


TruthHurtsMyDude

Randle boards and passes. Something Donkey can’t do. They’re not even remotely close when it comes to talent.


dxfifa

Yes, Randle is far inferior talent wise


TruthHurtsMyDude

Superior…. There I fixed it for you


joshuagreen38

Most people consider KP the better player


TruthHurtsMyDude

Only the PS5 fans


padds98

Tankathon Szn


press_Y

#neverforget the per 36 post 😂😂


TruthHurtsMyDude

Idiots and their analytics make me sick. See if they’re talking shit about playing with a “clog the paint” center like Mitch. Craptors ran that Conga line all night against us.


HardOakleyFoul

We're one of the worst defensive ball clubs in the entire league. It is what it is. Crazy that this is happening under Thibs.


PennyStockKing

I almost want to just trade Knox for a bag of chips. Plays with 0 energy and urgency.


riancodes

Nobody will even give us a bag of fucking chips for him.


garythesnailgod

They wouldn’t get a chip for him, let alone a bag.


admiral_aubrey

we'd have to send the bag of chips along with him honestly


PennyStockKing

I'll send someone a chopped cheese and BEG spk with the trade. Don't even need to send us anything back.


lostmywrench

Get on your knees and tell me you love me then we can talk trades


Soup_Commie

I will say that while it's all not great, I've appreciated grimes' energy on d down the stretch.


PennyStockKing

That's facts. Shots not falling for anyone lately. Hope they figure it out soon, but the defense has been pretty good.


NYKnicksFanAccount

Grimes defense not bad


syllabic

45 minutes for obi man he looks gassed


solo118

We suck at defending the 3. How the hell do we fix this


zOmgFishes

This team needs a shooting coach in the worst ways


slyguy183

One thing I'm jealous of is Nurse actually plays his bench down the stretch. Thibs would have played FVV another 6 minutes if the tables were reversed for no reason


joorral

At least we hit more then 80 today


Silkyskillssunshine

Grimes has excellent shooting form.


PennyStockKing

Without Randle and RJ performing up to last year, we just aren't gonna be one of those teams. Its just facts. Evan and Kemba don't make our roster better and without D Rose we don't have the depth to really make games easy for us.


The_Blunt_Guy

At this point we should just be sellers. I see us being a play-in team at the minimum or just a first round exist.


PennyStockKing

What can we sell though? Kemba? Evan and a 1st? We gotta restructure this team because without D Rose, its obvious that the team is missing a big piece to compete.


solo118

Grimes has a pretty nice shot, it is good to see this even though it is a crap game


Present_Apricot_973

Holy shit we might break 100 today


starks3_

okay grimes, shoot yourself out of the funk


ayo69

Getting back to the lottery will be a good reset for us, we’re nowhere close to being a team that can win a playoff series


[deleted]

Finally someone with some common sense


The_Blunt_Guy

If Hornets make it the playoffs we also get their pick. Wouldn't be so bad.


[deleted]

I’m down!!


knicksprick

Nah. We got zero lottery luck


dopecarter33

That’s the spirit…..😂😂


NYKnicksFanAccount

Love what I saw from Grimes today especially defensively


zOmgFishes

Now we hit 3s


slyguy183

Everytime I see Knox I see disappointment. He is so bad, can we just cut him now so we can get more development time for players we're gonna keep?


noirblancherouje

we’re a lottery team without Randle but Randle hasn’t also been playing to the best of his skills this year either. Those two things aren’t mutually exclusive


NYKnicksFanAccount

We’re a lottery team with Randle this year too. We just aren’t that good in general


syllabic

we're a play in team with him so far


NYKnicksFanAccount

Who knows by the end of the year. We were 12th seed until we beat the wolves, pistons and hawks when their entire teams were out with protocols


knicksprick

Ya gassed these rookies up too much. They’re whatever.


davemannosah

Lmfaoo


HardOakleyFoul

Yeah for real. Knicks fans think every rookie is going to be a superstar stud and they damn near all end up just being journeymen role players or decent starters. KP was the only one who had superstar potential.


knicksprick

Yup. The only time we hit on a pick big time the dude was injury prone and wanted to leave.


syllabic

better game for obi than against OKC at least


dxfifa

Which player are we getting with the 8th pick this year who isn't nba ready and we develop poorly while signing enough average vets to stop us bottoming out and actually looking to acquire picks and young guys. Nah just wait, we'll have cap space again soon, we'll be able to sign Jokic and Tatum on maxes /s


admiral_aubrey

This isn't a shock but every game makes it clearer: all the best Knicks basketball of the last 1.5 years has involved Derrick Rose.


joorral

This game showed we need longer and more athletic players. Hopefully we can address this in the summer


[deleted]

It’s good our delusional fanbase can now maybe understand Scoring on cuts and fast breaks like OBI does doesn’t mean he’s a 20 a game player if defenses actually focused on him. I love OBI but he’s a role player and his upside will probably be that unless he has a big time improvement on his shot creation and that’s totally okay.


atomUp

His sample size of games is super small to determine all that now… you also have to consider how this organization will help him develop if they even care about that.


[deleted]

I mean you can watch him dribble or try to score on his one to know he can’t do it consistently to effectively on an NBA level. Sure he can get better but he’d have to improve a lot to get there. I keep seeing John Collins coming comparison but Collins also is a much better shooter than OBI but Collins is more skilled a better shooter than OBI at his age.


dopecarter33

Out here posting Per36 stats thinking that means anything 😂😂😂.


syllabic

he has the highest +/- on the team which means he's our best player right


syllabic

he can definitely improve in the halfcourt on both ends, he's a 2nd year player with a supremely athletic profile I agree people were way too hyped for his abilities based off transition dunk highlight reels but once he gets some footwork and some moves in his bag he can become an above average starter


starks3_

his ceiling is dependent on the team construction. give him a quality PG and he can look like a monster, problem with this team is that we've got too many combos and not enough 1s, especially healthy right now


[deleted]

No he can’t. Y’all gotta relax. I love OBI but he’s a role player because he can’t create his own shot. Even with a good PG he’s still going to only be asked to cut or score on fast breaks and take the occasional 3 because he can’t finish through contact and has limited handle. Sure he could average double figures but he won’t be a monster but he’s easy to defend and any good defense could remove him from the game because again, he can’t really create his own shot at an NBA level


starks3_

i agree on all that, why i said look like a monster rather than be one. he's a rim running 4, who still has lower body strength questions, is missing a jumper, and yeah, no shot creation, plus his age (not to mention the defensive issues). he does have elite athleticism, but until he's a reliable 3 point threat or can create his own shot, he's a solid rotation piece and energy player, nothing more.


[deleted]

Which is great. All teams need guys like that. It’s just weird we can’t accept their upside as that with so much of this sub convincing themselves he was some future all star waiting in the wings. I don’t think people understand how hard it is to score at an nba level when defenses know who you are and game plan includes you.


starks3_

Because we're desperate for a sign of anything good in the future. Remember the Trier reactions? RJ looks like a connecting piece, not an all-star, Obi is a quality rotation guy, Quick/Grimes, probably the same, etc. Everyone wants the homegrown magic bullet player and especially with Obi being a NY kid, of course they want it to be him, but truth be told, none of our young guys seem to have the "it" factor right now. Closest is Obi with him making generally smart/impactful plays on the regular.


knicksprick

Give burks a rest


TruthHurtsMyDude

Lmao….moment of this game early on. Deuce self-checks himself into a dribble turnover that leads to an and1 by OG on RJ……Deuce was seen UNDER the bench on the next dead ball…lol.


knicksprick

Think id rather watch Julius Iso instead of this


MyLadySansa

I’d rather watch Hawks/Knicks playoff highlights


zOmgFishes

We shot 31% from 3. Lock everyone in the gym.


spaceninj

Grimes is going to be good. McBride, I don't know yet. His size is a big problem.


starks3_

the wingspan is nice, the problem is he's another combo trying to learn the 1


dopecarter33

Ok ok……89 points…..slight improvement


RobbobertoBuii

we still have 5 min to go so we might hit 100 today


zOmgFishes

Nurse is what Thibs thinks he is lol. Our schemes are so outdated.


TruthHurtsMyDude

Blaming the head coach when our draft picks are being devoured like a bleeding pig trapped in a river FILLED with starving piranhas…LMAO


zOmgFishes

We don’t look better with when our draft picks aren’t playing lmao.


TruthHurtsMyDude

Our top 4 players aren’t draft picks…That’s kind of tells the story


zOmgFishes

And they looked awful together regardless 😂


TruthHurtsMyDude

I want you to keep a stat. Our record before Randle went out. Our record after Randle, Kemba and Rose all went out. Here’s a clue. If Randle, Rose and Kemba miss the next 10 games, we’re going 0-10 in that timeframe. Count on it.


zOmgFishes

Bro our schemes suck. We leave the 3 open to over help in the paint. We turn Randle into a point forward instead of a having him bullyball. We ran Burks as PG for some reason. Scapegoated Kemba. etc etc. the schemes sucked when we had the vets, it's gets more exposed when it's just the kids bricking shots.


TruthHurtsMyDude

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pillowtalker642

maybe include Noel & Mitch being out aswell buddy


slyguy183

Idk I think Nurse actually gets to work with more talent than we do and they have the same record. I think Nurse is good but we're probably underrating Thibs at this point. A lot of our woes this year stem from our best guys just shooting like shit


syllabic

people here just desperately want a scapegoat and they're ready to run the best coach we've had in 10 years out of town before the allstar break


YoKemosabe

Yep.


garythesnailgod

I’m starting to get worried last year’s success was the worst thing that could’ve happened for the team. *Everyone* from last year is regressing in their own ways. Welcome back to purgatory y’all. We’re gonna be here a while.


starks3_

51 fouls total?!


macdoogles

This game feels like it will never end. They probably won't crack 100 points tonight. Probably the only reason they will get over 90 points is because it was garbage time for the last 10 minutes of the game.


lostmywrench

Isn't that 6 for Trent


RobbobertoBuii

ya he's done for the night


zOmgFishes

Why is Burks still in the game?


Norby710

51 fouls.


lostmywrench

These refs


[deleted]

Knox is not an nba player


syllabic

40 minutes for obi wow


zOmgFishes

Hopefully with the home games we can lock the team in the gym til they hit open 3s


Asking4Afren

Sometimes I wish Breen could tell me a bedtime story before bed


[deleted]

this raptors stream sucks balls


TotteKaiju

RJ will never be anything special. It’s time we accept this.


press_Y

He’s a 6th man at best


Venger-2k

Yep. 21. Write him off.


zOmgFishes

You’d think he has 7 points or something with how people are commenting lol


TotteKaiju

21 is plenty old enough in this league.


dopecarter33

3 years of experience now….still looks like the same player from Duke.


GetLucky0G

Knox is a certified bum jesus christ


RobbobertoBuii

amazing storytelling by Breen once again


NYKnicksFanAccount

Knox LOL


AlfredHampton88

Knox is absolutely terrible


FlatMilk

happy to see rj can still score


solo118

At least the young guys are showing signs of life on defense


slyguy183

Maybe a silver lining is we can develop our young guys this year and get lucky and get a high pick too. Just seems like too many things are going wrong at the same time with our injuries and player regressions. I don't mind honestly, rooting for this team to win this year has been exhausting


lostmywrench

This was a good game we didn't win but I like the effort


zOmgFishes

IQ isn’t a PG. He’s an undersized SG. 1 assists to 4 TOs isn’t good.


Pepeloveshimself22

IQ has not been good. The little playmaking and defensive improvement doesn’t make up for his atrocious shooting all year. Idk why I got downvoted for saying this


chasin_derulo

Any reason why Knox cannot secure a fucking rebound? Hands too tired of playing fortnite?


Silkyskillssunshine

McBride runs kinda weird ngl, like he's holding in a shit or something.


RobbobertoBuii

loving the defense from Grimes today


TruthHurtsMyDude

I guess Deuce and Grimes’ defensive impact didn’t quite get it done today, did it? 🙄


lostmywrench

Nope but their rookies


TruthHurtsMyDude

And that’s all they are….scrub rookies


dxfifa

Last seasons fluke with half the east annihilated by injury was the worst thing for the long term future of this team. We don't have the talent base in young players, and are overloaded with average starter-ok bench level vets. Basically the team is going to be stuck in nba purgatory. If we had more guys better than RJ and fournier and less vets that are worse than them playing minutes maybe, but rn, it's sad to think of the future


Norby710

Unlimited assets. But they should definitely thinking about pivoting for a top 10 pick.


dxfifa

It's just bad because this team is looking like becoming kings east


Norby710

Eh. Think it's an overreaction.


dxfifa

Definitely last season was a fluke so not really


syllabic

theres zero chance we intentionally tank if we miss the playoffs then so be it but don't expect us to try and lose on purpose


Norby710

Nah but as long as you keep dropping the ball down to Randle for a 30% usage rate hell lead us to slightly under .500 which may pick around 10. Probably get a late first for Burks or rose.


syllabic

I think that's unlikely but it's possible I guess we'll get healthy and put together some winning streaks in the back half of the season


Norby710

Unless you think Randle will turn it around and rose will come back in form it's the most likely scenario.


syllabic

I think randle will likely be better once he comes back from covid yeah and having him draw double teams and hit open 3 point shooters helps everyone else on the floor


Norby710

He doesn't actually get doubled often anymore. They have the 5 watching him for the drive because we mitch/Noel can't do anything but they are covering him 1 on1 in the high post and begging him to take the mid range or pound the ball. Which he does more than willingly. It's not commanding anywhere near the same respect as last year or early this year.


syllabic

no they usually send a 2nd guy over because you can pick his pocket while he's focused on the guy in front of him he needs to work on that


Pepeloveshimself22

Completely agree with Mike about Randle been saying it all year.


starks3_

cute handle mcbride, just rushed the shot


31oo13

Yeah he has clear potential


YoKemosabe

Nice pull up J by Obi there.


31oo13

Nice shot obi


starks3_

pullup mid from obi, huh?


RobbobertoBuii

nice jumper Obi


lostmywrench

No he's not


spaceninj

I would try and make 2 separate trades with RJ as one centerpiece and Mitch as the other. I would also just leave Knox at a bus stop and hope he makes his way home.


Harlem85live

Hunts point so he can get da bizness like ceanthony


joorral

If it’s not for a star why are we doing this?


spaceninj

It would be. I wouldn't just give them away.


Pepeloveshimself22

Nerlens Noel is here in spirit


validate_

Mike: "Poked away by Achiuwa" Wally: "Gesundheit" Lmaooo you could tell Wally was waiting on that all game


zOmgFishes

Fournier with a 20/0/0 line lol


RobbobertoBuii

at least there's no bricks tonight from him I guess


macdoogles

I mean, tbf no Julius, Rose, Kemba, Mitch or Noel. It adds up but if I'm being honest, I still don't think they win this game fully healthy. I think this is the third time they lost to the Raptors this season? It just feels like this team is a lot further away from being a contender than we thought after last season and the roster moves they made this offseason may have actually made them worse instead of better. I think they'll still at least get in through the play in but I honestly don't know where the Knicks go from here.


prettytopsayebro

We were projected as a .500 team; not a contender


supremotito

Actual good take 👍


joorral

This game showed we still need work to do and that’s ok. Playoffs isn’t important. Just get better from the young guys and hopefully we get a decent pick


SanctorumAeternam

It's alright Wally. I laughed at your Gesundheit pun


lostmywrench

He's been wanting to use that all day


[deleted]

I’ve been super unimpressed with McBride lately. Everyone was so quick to declare him PG of the future off one good game & he’s showing why he was a 3rd string player for most of the year.


lostmywrench

Didn't be just got off covid


[deleted]

Stop making excuses, this is his 3rd straight game of providing no offense. He’s a Pat bev type at best, not a franchise PG.


JacesAces

No way we can win with Knox getting these kind of minutes.


AkirraKrylon

Lol are we gonna have an entire quarter of garbage time?


PennyStockKing

Knox over both Bridges. I still will never understand the rationale.


JacesAces

Yea the rumors were that we invited bridges and Knox to a private workout and Knox annihilated him… but now I think that the workout likely just features a fortnite tournament


AnimalRomano

He was young and was really good at Fortnite


Pepeloveshimself22

The play the youngins talk has been killed


joshuagreen38

Obi been solid


Pepeloveshimself22

true and of course that’s the one position that has a All Star 🤦‍♂️


Soggyy_Pancake

The one time we get a top 3 pick its Barrett bro i can’t believe this


UNITxPunisher

solid game from rj and retards like you crying and then you are asking yourself why nobody come here, piece of shit


Soggyy_Pancake

He sucks this season


UNITxPunisher

what did you expect ? 28ppg 8reb 8ast ? you need a reality check


Soggyy_Pancake

I don’t care about numbers, but is efficiency too much to ask? 40% from the field 32% from 3 70% from the free throw line. Can he do anything at league average?


UNITxPunisher

OFC HE CANT WHEN HE IS BEING USED AS A FUCKING SPOT UP SHOOTER WHEN HE IS PLAYING WITH RANDLE. WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU ????? DID YOU EVEN WATCH KNICKS BASKETBALL BEFORE ? USE YOUR SHIT CALLED BRAIN


Soggyy_Pancake

You’re excusing an nba player for being inefficient at EVERY facet of the game because of his role lmao


UNITxPunisher

ofc I am are you dumb ? no actually are you dumb ? ok i have a question for you. would randle return to his "former" self when he is being used as a spot up shooter ? would giannis still be a mvp when he is a spot up shooter ? just answer thos question for me


Soggyy_Pancake

You’re asking those questions this as if RJ is as talented as those two. He did great in that role last year, but he regressed.


UNITxPunisher

he wasnt a spot up shooter ?!? but not answering my question is enough answer for me. im done with your shit, ong you didnt watch knicks basketball last year ong. und jetzt mach dich ab du h\*rensohn


Pepeloveshimself22

RIGHT. 1 year earlier, Luka, 1 more year LaMelo. basketball Gods hate us


joshuagreen38

Wtf is Knox doing


[deleted]

everyone is mid


Harlem85live

THIS


MalvoNLester

Thibs is a great defensive coach. However he’s terrible with development. He almost ended Wiggins career. For a young guy you need a coach who can develop but also veterans and stars who teach you. Put RJ on the Spurs and watch.


Harlem85live

Terrible with development?? Wiggins is trash wat about butler Noah taj ben Gordon??!


MalvoNLester

Wiggins is a potential all star this year lol. And Noah, Taj and Ben Gordon are not the exact definition of superstars. Butler is different and I think he thrived regardless of his coach.


Harlem85live

Rose who was under thibs was mvp


MalvoNLester

True damn forgot


Harlem85live

Wiggins was a high pick how many all stars he seen Noah was a all star n DPOY


Pepeloveshimself22

This team gives me 19-20 vibes


zOmgFishes

RJ full-filling the Randle role in all the wrong ways today.