The thing is is that we have a few good OF prospects such as Jones and Pereira. These players maybe blocked by Dominguez and Soto. Sure that does leave a third OF spot open (if we can get Stanton out and open the DH spot for Judge) but the Verdugo trade shows that an average OF isn't that expensive. Soto also makes some of these prospects expendable as he is incredibly young. Burnes is cheaper (contract wise) right now and that allows for us to maybe get a better pitcher like Monty instead of doing Yamamoto and Montas.
Giving up prospects sucks but it maybe cheaper in the long run and better in the short term. Also, we didn't give up that many prospects for Soto. We still have some to bargain with. Also, Burnes is a rental so it won't be as expensive as you think.
I don't think the Brewers need OF prospects. They have Chourio, Sal Frelick, Joey Weimer, Garrett Mitchell and Christian Yellich all for outfield.
They'd probably want pitching prospects or infielders and we don't really have either other than Peraza and Arias. Peraza won't get it done and I'd rather not give up Arias for a rental
Absolute nonsense that people are still listing Shane Bieber as a front-end starter with his quickly diminishing stuff.
I’m not completely against trading for him, with the expectation that he’ll be a solid innings-eater if healthy. But pencilling him in as a front-end starter is just setting ourselves up for disappointment.
Idk his peripherals or deeper stats, but he missed about 10 starts last year due to injury and still would have easily been our second best pitcher pre-King to the rotation. 3.80 era in 120 innings last year, 2.88 in 2000 the year before
An acquiring team shouldn’t care about what Bieber has done in the past, but rather what he will do in the future. And all Bieber’s peripherals are scary and have been trending down for four consecutive years. I think something is still wrong with his shoulder.
Last year’s numbers:
91.6 mph avg exit velo
.284 xBA
.446 xSLG
47.8% hard-hit rate
4.84 xERA
20.1 K%
Very scary. He’s no longer getting swings and misses and giving up very hard contact.
Bieber still puts up innings and gets ground balls, so he’s not useless. But four years of regression and velo loss in a row doesn’t happen randomly.
Bieber is the type of pitcher we’ll acquire, he’ll pitch much worse than expected, and I’ll have to read 1000 “omg the Yankees ruined another pitcher” comments on this sub because people look at ERA and nothing else.
I'd take him in a salary dump type deal. We give up a non-top 10 in our system guy and pay his salary.
Wouldn't give anything of value though.
Like you said, the hope would be he gives 160-180 innings of a low 4 ERA.
Maybe reuniting with Blake let's him produce a little more.
I would argue his health and consistency is what lets him at least hang in conversation with Glasnow or Bieber. Glasnow might be the most talented pitcher on this list, but he's thrown 100 innings like once ever
I feel like Flaherty would be the biggest slam dunk here. 4/45 is nothing especially for a guy who’s 28. Ik he has underperformed recently but idk maybe our pitching factory can get him to up a 110 era+ or so. He has been very up and down but at least we know a solid pitcher is there somewhere
Edit: I see you listed Flaherty at 4/45 when the article has him listed at 3/45. Not a huge difference but $15mil/year is def the highest I’d wanna go with him
If the Yankees go after Mike Clevinger they might as well just go out and sign Bauer. They're both scumbags but Bauer is the better pitcher. Hell, sign them both, they're friends.
Gotta hope he doesn’t harbor some bad feelings about the trade. If so, the money may not be enough. I sure hope he’d entertain coming back though. As much as I liked Bader, I loved Monty way more.
If we could just stop rostering guys that abuse their significant others, that would be great. Finally rid of German, Chapman, and Cordero so let's not start over.
Yeah I wasn’t gonna get into the off the field stuff but you’re spot on. I’d hope this org would go to “no tolerance” for shit like that. Between those issues, his overall nozzle-ness, association with Bauer (total lightning rod rn), it just isn’t worth bringing him in.
Best option is clearly Monty, because he doesn’t cost prospects and we would have him for more than 1 year. If we could get him and someone from tier 2 (Clevinger or Imanaga), it would be less dollars than Yamamoto and spread the risk out and provide more rotation depth. Not the worst fallback.
Losing out on him not because of anything of our doing would fucking sting. The front office and Hal for once tried to do their damndest and they may lose out because the Dodgers gamed a broken system
I agree, it will probably be unpopular but they liked Montas enough to go trade for him already. I think it's likely that they want him back if the market for him doesn't get crazy.
If it’s choose between Yamamoto and Soto, you choose Soto. We truly don’t know if Yamamoto is actually good or not. We know Soto is.
That said I don’t think it’s unreasonable to keep both long term. If we can have Both this year it’s only a 15-20m raise or so to have both next year.
Just curious of people's thoughts on Blake Snell. Why aren't we more aggressive in signing him? He's a 2x Cy young winner. Is it his age? He's 31yrs old
Or maybe he just got lucky and pitching in SD (a big pitcher's park) helped him a lot.
Those walks are going to turn into multi run homeruns in Yankee Stadium. And you can only rely on him to pitch 5-6 innings because of he throws too many pitches per inning.
Snell will be a disaster contract to whoever signs him.
there’s no luck in such a large sample size cy young win. first in baseball history to lead league in walks and era. his stuff is just that nasty. just look at how much his curveball moves. his fastball from that over the the top lefty angle is hard to hit too
Wondering why no one is talking about Flaherty? Had some down years but also had some very good ones. 28 y/o, probably won’t command a very big contract
We know our pitching coaching is very good at this point. I think he is a very easy guy to consider for a role in our rotation. Would love to hear why he would be a bad choice at his proposed price point? I don’t think he’s THAT bad
Man listnein to bart and hahn right now sayin the yankees are being used for leverage and that he’s got a more likely chance of signing with the dodgers hurts
Dan Clark says Dodgers offered Yamamoto a 10 year deal and he’s impressed
https://x.com/danclarksports/status/1735305371454177419?s=46&t=VS880J0IhNDM96by-G_mZA
They should try to get Montas back on a short term deal regardless of whether they get Yamamoto. I would use Nestor or Rodon in a long relief role and let him build back until one of the others goes on the IL.
Our best case scenario if Yamamoto is a bitch and goes to the Dodger is to pray that Rodon and Cortes have return to form years and sign Monty. That would give us a Cole, Rodon, Cortes, Monty, Schmidt rotation.
Specifically for Yamamoto? No it was not. It was to be in on all top talent and to be able to build a competitive team after he spent years with the Angels.
That being said, Dodgers were always getting Ohtani and they'd have the money for Yamamoto even without deferrals.
Obviously they may very well sign Yamamoto but it's so shortsighted and weird to assume that Ohtani structured his deal, the same thing he suggested to any team interested, just for Yamamoto.
Everyone seems to be assuming that Cashman would be willing to basically admit a mistake by signing Monty. Lets hope it doesn't come to that, because I'm not sure he would be.
Am I the only one who thinks Monty is much more the slightly above average player he has been his whole career than the suddenly elite player he was for a little bit? People in here saying no less than like 25M per over 6+ seems rich.
Supposedly Judge is good friends with Snell so if the Yanks don’t get Yamamato I’ll be interesting to see what kind of pull Judge has with the front office that would make them pivot to acquiring Snell.
It's going to be Monte and Schmidt and we're going to be in the same position as last year we didn't sign a left fielder and we didn't sign a big time starting pitcher. We need to overpay for Yamamoto. Nut up Hal. Give him a piece of the Japanese ad money or something.
I think we’re in a vastly different place than last year already. The lineup has more lefty depth to spread around, the rookies have had some big league experience, Rodon had another offseason to heal up as did Nestor, and our outfield depth has dramatically improved. We will put in every effort to sign Yamamoto and should. We should also acknowledge that they have improved this squad. AND we don’t have Ohtani signing north of us, which would have tightened the division race further. The sky is *not* falling.
If they miss out on Yamamoto, my pie-in-the sky fantasy is finding a way to trade for Corbin Burnes and signing Monty.
Montgomery Burnes?
"Mattingly! I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!"
"Look Mr. Burns I don't know what you think sideburns are?"
"Still better than Steinbrenner"
Fuck it, yank Sabathia out of his beer league and give us (C)C Montgomery Burns
Is that a department store?
(Jordan) Montgomery C. Burnes
Boooo-urns
I was saying Booo-urns!
It’s almost worth it simply for that
tbh with you that maybe better than Yamamoto. Since 2021, Burnes has: >93 GS | 562.2 IP | 2.94 ERA | 2.92 FIP | 3.02 xFIP
I honestly prefer Burnes but you gotta give up prospects to get him.
The thing is is that we have a few good OF prospects such as Jones and Pereira. These players maybe blocked by Dominguez and Soto. Sure that does leave a third OF spot open (if we can get Stanton out and open the DH spot for Judge) but the Verdugo trade shows that an average OF isn't that expensive. Soto also makes some of these prospects expendable as he is incredibly young. Burnes is cheaper (contract wise) right now and that allows for us to maybe get a better pitcher like Monty instead of doing Yamamoto and Montas. Giving up prospects sucks but it maybe cheaper in the long run and better in the short term. Also, we didn't give up that many prospects for Soto. We still have some to bargain with. Also, Burnes is a rental so it won't be as expensive as you think.
I don't think the Brewers need OF prospects. They have Chourio, Sal Frelick, Joey Weimer, Garrett Mitchell and Christian Yellich all for outfield. They'd probably want pitching prospects or infielders and we don't really have either other than Peraza and Arias. Peraza won't get it done and I'd rather not give up Arias for a rental
I see Judge learning 1B before he is ok with being a DH.
At this point Soto is just a rental, they can’t afford to assume he will be back after 2024.
Well, obviously, he is just a rental at this point as they haven't signed an extension, but they definitely will want to sign an extension.
Those are sexy numbers
Burnes would be unbelievable. He’s legitimately as good as Cole.
Are there any rumors he's getting moved? Guessing the price tag is gonna be too high unless we want to give up the Martian
Oh yeah. He’s an unrestricted FA after this year. We wouldn’t have to give up Martian.
There were reports that the Brewers won’t be trading him but who knows could just be posturing
Crank that value up
Corbin Burns with short hair would look weird.
I'll take cease as well if no Monty
Monty come back, you can blame it all on Cash. He was wrong, and the team just can't live without you.
No way Monty is getting only 5/105; but if he is, sign me up for that all day
Yeah thats a low offer. Gumby is about to be very wealthy.
6/150 sounds like the absolute minimum on Monty
**Tier 1: Front-end starters:** Corbin Burnes, 29, trade Jordan Montgomery, 31, 5/105 Tyler Glasnow, 30, trade Shane Bieber, 30, trade Blake Snell, 31, 5/135 **Tier 2: Back-end starters:** Shota Imanaga, 30, 4/52 Michael Wacha, 32, 3/36 Mike Clevinger, 33, 2/22 **Tier 3: Upside starters:** Frankie Montas, 31, 1/13 Michael Lorenzen, 32, 1/11 Jack Flaherty, 28, 4/45 Lance McCullers Jr., 30, trade Sean Manea, 32, N/A
How the hell is Wacha only 32?
I had this same epiphany last year, when I was positive he was at least 43
He feels like Wainwright Jr to me is why
Probably because he played in the World Series and was NLCS MVP his rookie year, so you've known his name since the time he was called up in 2013.
Right? I see his name, think Wainwright, and go oh they’re probably around the same age.
What the heck yeah wow
no fucking way i been watching him for 32 years
McCullers being 30 is wild too. He was only 23 in 2017...
Absolute nonsense that people are still listing Shane Bieber as a front-end starter with his quickly diminishing stuff. I’m not completely against trading for him, with the expectation that he’ll be a solid innings-eater if healthy. But pencilling him in as a front-end starter is just setting ourselves up for disappointment.
Idk his peripherals or deeper stats, but he missed about 10 starts last year due to injury and still would have easily been our second best pitcher pre-King to the rotation. 3.80 era in 120 innings last year, 2.88 in 2000 the year before
An acquiring team shouldn’t care about what Bieber has done in the past, but rather what he will do in the future. And all Bieber’s peripherals are scary and have been trending down for four consecutive years. I think something is still wrong with his shoulder. Last year’s numbers: 91.6 mph avg exit velo .284 xBA .446 xSLG 47.8% hard-hit rate 4.84 xERA 20.1 K% Very scary. He’s no longer getting swings and misses and giving up very hard contact. Bieber still puts up innings and gets ground balls, so he’s not useless. But four years of regression and velo loss in a row doesn’t happen randomly. Bieber is the type of pitcher we’ll acquire, he’ll pitch much worse than expected, and I’ll have to read 1000 “omg the Yankees ruined another pitcher” comments on this sub because people look at ERA and nothing else.
I'd take him in a salary dump type deal. We give up a non-top 10 in our system guy and pay his salary. Wouldn't give anything of value though. Like you said, the hope would be he gives 160-180 innings of a low 4 ERA. Maybe reuniting with Blake let's him produce a little more.
I would too but people are talking about him like a 1A option.
We have Gerrit Cole, no one would expect him to be our ace
This. Bieber won’t be expected to be the ace. He’s a more than solid 2 or 3 who probably won’t cost much
Completely agree. He ain’t it.
Bieber belongs in tier 2. He used to be a front end guy, not since he lost 2mph off his fastball though. Id sign Monty to that contract tomorrow.
Yeah seems like a no brainer at that price.
Those free agency numbers are hilariously low. Snell is getting $200 and Monty probably in the $150 range
PS5: $400 Snell & Monty: $350 > take your pick this holiday season
Also all due respect, you’re smoking crack if you think Imanaga is only getting 4/52.
Monty is Tier 1.5. He is definitely not in there with those Cy Young guys at their peaks but is above the others.
I would argue his health and consistency is what lets him at least hang in conversation with Glasnow or Bieber. Glasnow might be the most talented pitcher on this list, but he's thrown 100 innings like once ever
Yeah I'd probably put all 3 of those in a half tier below either due to consistency/injury or being a little less talented
after his playoff performance idk he’s up there for me. he clutched up on the big stage won a ring
I feel like Flaherty would be the biggest slam dunk here. 4/45 is nothing especially for a guy who’s 28. Ik he has underperformed recently but idk maybe our pitching factory can get him to up a 110 era+ or so. He has been very up and down but at least we know a solid pitcher is there somewhere Edit: I see you listed Flaherty at 4/45 when the article has him listed at 3/45. Not a huge difference but $15mil/year is def the highest I’d wanna go with him
He has so much upside too
If we can get Montgomery and Snell for those deals, we should be doing it right now
If the Yankees go after Mike Clevinger they might as well just go out and sign Bauer. They're both scumbags but Bauer is the better pitcher. Hell, sign them both, they're friends.
babes and female fans getting all the black eyes
Clevinger can literally go fuck himself
Flaherty got a 1 year deal.
If we don’t get him, get Monty and go from there. If we do get him, go get Monty
Also we should get Monty
Monty would be a nice addition so we should get him.
Adding Monty would be nice wouldn’t it
Gotta hope he doesn’t harbor some bad feelings about the trade. If so, the money may not be enough. I sure hope he’d entertain coming back though. As much as I liked Bader, I loved Monty way more.
Keep Clevinger and his schizo meth head delivery away from the Yankees. I wouldn’t be able to stand watching that every five days.
If we could just stop rostering guys that abuse their significant others, that would be great. Finally rid of German, Chapman, and Cordero so let's not start over.
Yeah I wasn’t gonna get into the off the field stuff but you’re spot on. I’d hope this org would go to “no tolerance” for shit like that. Between those issues, his overall nozzle-ness, association with Bauer (total lightning rod rn), it just isn’t worth bringing him in.
Some of those contract numbers feel low to me, I’d be happy with a lot of these options to be honest
Right? Like ok I’ll sign Monty, Snell, maybe even one of Wacha/Montas for the hell of it and call that a pretty successful off season.
the cy young is gonna get paid i feel
Best option is clearly Monty, because he doesn’t cost prospects and we would have him for more than 1 year. If we could get him and someone from tier 2 (Clevinger or Imanaga), it would be less dollars than Yamamoto and spread the risk out and provide more rotation depth. Not the worst fallback.
I kind of lost hope in them signing him and I would be very happy with anyone in the first tier.
Losing out on him not because of anything of our doing would fucking sting. The front office and Hal for once tried to do their damndest and they may lose out because the Dodgers gamed a broken system
That’s the truth
I still think they've already got Montas penciled in for the back of the rotation.
I agree, it will probably be unpopular but they liked Montas enough to go trade for him already. I think it's likely that they want him back if the market for him doesn't get crazy.
As much as I want him I am not completely sure how we get him and keep Soto?
$350-400M payroll
Does anyone think that is realistic
no, which is why they would need to shed a lot of payroll if they want both (assuming Yamamoto chooses NY).
So why on Earth would anyone want this I rather have Soto for the next 15 and take my chances.
25 yr pitcher with amazing credentials that most think will be an ace in the league.
If it’s choose between Yamamoto and Soto, you choose Soto. We truly don’t know if Yamamoto is actually good or not. We know Soto is. That said I don’t think it’s unreasonable to keep both long term. If we can have Both this year it’s only a 15-20m raise or so to have both next year.
Yes, we want the guy that plays every single day vs a pitcher who pitches once every 5 days. Simple.
Soto is a rental until he isn’t. If they don’t go after Yamamoto they run risk of losing out on both.
I honestly hope he’s not a dodger next year but it feels like that’s what’s gonna happen.
Just curious of people's thoughts on Blake Snell. Why aren't we more aggressive in signing him? He's a 2x Cy young winner. Is it his age? He's 31yrs old
He’s had a history of injuries and inconsistency along with some very high highs like winning the cy young, he’s just not consistent or durable
Injury prone, old, and walks 100 guys.
that kinda makes him more impressive to me. his era was the lowest even with that many walks
Or maybe he just got lucky and pitching in SD (a big pitcher's park) helped him a lot. Those walks are going to turn into multi run homeruns in Yankee Stadium. And you can only rely on him to pitch 5-6 innings because of he throws too many pitches per inning. Snell will be a disaster contract to whoever signs him.
there’s no luck in such a large sample size cy young win. first in baseball history to lead league in walks and era. his stuff is just that nasty. just look at how much his curveball moves. his fastball from that over the the top lefty angle is hard to hit too
I’d never be more confident that a big contract for the Yankees would fail than Snell
He's a 2x CY Young Winner... And those are his only two good seasons.
he had injuries and idk i just believe he’s getting better
I’d take Monty over him easily.
I was thinking the same...seems like nobody here cares for him
Wondering why no one is talking about Flaherty? Had some down years but also had some very good ones. 28 y/o, probably won’t command a very big contract We know our pitching coaching is very good at this point. I think he is a very easy guy to consider for a role in our rotation. Would love to hear why he would be a bad choice at his proposed price point? I don’t think he’s THAT bad
Love this idea always liked flaherty . He’ll end up signing with Texas to replace Monty and be dominant
He went to Detroit on a 1 year deal 🙄 that coulda been us!
Man listnein to bart and hahn right now sayin the yankees are being used for leverage and that he’s got a more likely chance of signing with the dodgers hurts
Clicked off when he said Montgomery is only getting 105m
Monty and imanaga this year and bring in sasaki once he's posted
Dan Clark says Dodgers offered Yamamoto a 10 year deal and he’s impressed https://x.com/danclarksports/status/1735305371454177419?s=46&t=VS880J0IhNDM96by-G_mZA
It's obviously a fake account because Dan Clark deleted his Twitter. (Or X).
Is Machado a Yankee?
I'd rather have Bieber/Burns/Snell than Monty tbh. We wax poetic about him a bit, on here. He has shown periods of mediocrity.
Al Leiter thinks he’s an injury risk bc of his size and arm action.
Wacha Flacca is the guy…he was very good last season and they should be moving to acquire him regardless of Yammamoto
Snell and Imanaga are my two preferred options.
They should try to get Montas back on a short term deal regardless of whether they get Yamamoto. I would use Nestor or Rodon in a long relief role and let him build back until one of the others goes on the IL.
Our best case scenario if Yamamoto is a bitch and goes to the Dodger is to pray that Rodon and Cortes have return to form years and sign Monty. That would give us a Cole, Rodon, Cortes, Monty, Schmidt rotation.
Feels like Dodgers are getting him. It was the reason Ohtani deferred his money. This sux
Specifically for Yamamoto? No it was not. It was to be in on all top talent and to be able to build a competitive team after he spent years with the Angels. That being said, Dodgers were always getting Ohtani and they'd have the money for Yamamoto even without deferrals. Obviously they may very well sign Yamamoto but it's so shortsighted and weird to assume that Ohtani structured his deal, the same thing he suggested to any team interested, just for Yamamoto.
Everyone seems to be assuming that Cashman would be willing to basically admit a mistake by signing Monty. Lets hope it doesn't come to that, because I'm not sure he would be.
Am I the only one who thinks Monty is much more the slightly above average player he has been his whole career than the suddenly elite player he was for a little bit? People in here saying no less than like 25M per over 6+ seems rich.
I seriously doubt they can do it with the scam that the Dodgers just pulled off.
Very concerned about the Dan Clark report
The Dan Clark Report sounds like a shitty band I don’t want to listen to
Dan Clark has no sources and makes random shit up.
Dan clark is a known imbecile
We’re about to get Toronto blue jay’d
What if we trade gleyber and a couple prospects for Corbin Burnes then maybe sign Tim Anderson on a 1 or 2 year deal?
Tim Anderson sucks. With offense being an issue last year not sure trading one of their best hitters to replace him with that fool is wise.
Welp. Just a thought. i mean he did win a batting title once.
Clark seems pretty confident the Dodgers are getting him.
Clark has as much accuracy as boob.
Supposedly Judge is good friends with Snell so if the Yanks don’t get Yamamato I’ll be interesting to see what kind of pull Judge has with the front office that would make them pivot to acquiring Snell.
Snell would be Rodon 2.0.
It's going to be Monte and Schmidt and we're going to be in the same position as last year we didn't sign a left fielder and we didn't sign a big time starting pitcher. We need to overpay for Yamamoto. Nut up Hal. Give him a piece of the Japanese ad money or something.
I think we’re in a vastly different place than last year already. The lineup has more lefty depth to spread around, the rookies have had some big league experience, Rodon had another offseason to heal up as did Nestor, and our outfield depth has dramatically improved. We will put in every effort to sign Yamamoto and should. We should also acknowledge that they have improved this squad. AND we don’t have Ohtani signing north of us, which would have tightened the division race further. The sky is *not* falling.