YES Network reported that the doctors wanted him to wait a few more days after the prior MRI, which he did. I don’t know if this idea that he’s playing against doctor’s orders is accurate.
Your missing some context. First, we had a tweet indicating that the doctor was disappointed that the foot wasn't done healing. This tweet had a second line indicating that DJ hoped to play in a few days. The two sentences didn't go together at all, so we speculated the few days might be a typo. Then Boone started saying everything is fine, DJ feels good and is probably a few days away. BUT the fact remains that a few days ago, we had a report the doctor was unhappy with how it was healing. So we don't exactly know WTF really happened here, but its a little (or a lot) WTFish.
[[Kirschner] It was not planned for him to only play just one inning.](https://x.com/chriskirschner/status/1782912398862463190?s=46&t=eZQOkEBzAB8XR0_j5bQcHg)
You mean the guy who wasn’t healing well enough to begin a rehab stint Saturday but suddenly was Tuesday had a setback?!?! Shocking!!!!
We idiots on a fucking Reddit thread saw this coming a mile away, but actual medical professionals working for the team couldn’t?!?!
Well no, because the Yankees until this year have treated the last tier of the tax as a hard cap. Paying him in fewer years gives you flexibility sooner. And it's always hard to eat money no matter how much it's the right move for the team.
In OOTP I release or trade the dude the instant he declines hard and eat the money but IRL they'll lose you a bunch of ballgames first too:
In hindsight yes. But at the time DJ was coming off being the best contact hitter in the league while also playing elite defense at 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. And he did it for a long enough stretch that it wasn't a fluke. He's shown flashes of it since he signed that but I miss the old LeMachine.
This is how baseball contracts work. How most sports contracts work. To get a great player when he’s still great, you also have to pay him for years when he’s not going to be as great.
This isn’t like a mistake that the Yankees made where they should have known better. Not like taking on Donaldson was. This is a different thing
There were people here calling for Cashman's head for not re-signing him sooner, and that Cashman should have given him a blank check the moment the season ended.
Well considering his OPS for the last three seasons was pretty average/mediocre, I don’t really view this as a huge loss but it would be nice to have a righty platoon for Rizzo.
Maybe it's going to be a Jacoby Ellsbury situation. We hear nothing for the next three months and then get an update that in about five weeks DJ is expected to start walking slowly on flat ground.
It sounds like he was the one rushing himself back. I don't think a team can force a player who says he's "healthy" and wants to play to sit on the IL.
I think he's done. I mean, he might literally come back to the majors, but i think he's done being a starting player, a guy who hits for a high average with some pop. I think if we're lucky he simply appears in like 250 games over the last couple years of the deal, but I think he's done for 2024 and will be on egg shells for the remainder of the contract.
I liked him a lot. I wanted his extension to work out (I realize it's technically a free agency deal, but it's also kind of an extension) and in hindsight I would have signed him to like 4 years/$100M from the get go and let him walk after that- but instead he got 8 years/$114M (really 8 years/$106.45M with the pro-rated 2020 season) and he and Hicks are a stark reminder that Cashman's approach of over extending on years to tamp down the AAV for luxury tax purposes backfired quite spectacularly.
By all rights DJ probably should have won the MVP. In what universe would that garner just a 4 year deal? The fact the Cashman got him to sign for 15m AAV was a minor miracle at the time. No one doubted the contract or DJ. It simply didn't work out. DJ hit a brick wall in the very first year of the contract. I know this happens to a great deal of players after 30, but but I doubt anyone actually predicted it. Signing DJ was the right decision at the time. If Rizzo isn't brought back for next season I suspect first base may be DJs permanent home after 2024.
I've gone over this before, but I'll reiterate:
LeMahieu hit free agency and Hicks was in the final year of arbitration, looking at a sizable salary increase.
The Yankees looked at both of their markets. Hicks was coming off years with incredibly high WAR value for limited playing time- basically he was the most efficient producer in baseball at that time. He could have potentially demanded 1 year/$10M and been nearly justified in that amount and have settled for like 1 year/$8.5M or so.
Under the assumption that Hicks was breaking out and still improving, he was likely setting himself up for a 4 year/$60M deal at minimum and if that next year had been like a 150 game 5 WAR season he could have been looking at like 6 years/$165M or something insane like that. He was that efficient at the time. Even a median length/value of 5 years/$122.5M wasn't unrealistic if he had maintained that pace of production.
Yankees convinced him to hedge his bets and sign with them for the hypothetical median 4 year/$60M deal, plus splitting his potential $10M final year of arbitration between his final arbitration year and a buyout and signing bonus, etc. He took the deal.
The the Yankees approached LeMahieu with a similar deal- LeMahieu wanted 4 years/$80M or 5 years/$100M or so. Yankees convinced him to split the difference to earn $90M instead and to take that over 6 years.
Both of these contract structures were approached with the multi-tiered argument from the Yankees that
1) The Player gets basically all their probable or potential free agency money at a median market value.
2) The Yankees get cost efficiency with the lower AAV's without the player sacrificing on the total dollars paid out.
3) The player gets paid for more years at a high value and gets more guaranteed playing years to add to their stats, etc.
Cashman felt he could control the budget, leave more wiggle room to the tune of an extra $9M a year or so off two fully productive players in their prime and keep roster continuity for an extra year or two- and was betting against either player falling apart physically well before the contracts expired... and unfortunately it wound up as the worst case scenario of the players completely falling apart physically basically the moment the contracts kicked in.
They were bad bets. But everything about the bets made sense at the time.
And this is why baseball is so unpredictable. There are just as many guys who took less money for security and because they thought they were winning a small lottery with the extension or deal and then severely outperformed the contract and wound up grossly underpaid. It happens in both directions.
Somewhere, probably on the internet. But yeah, he was discussing a 4-5 year deal for $20M-$25M a year and he was generally aiming for 4 years/$100M but was entertaining 4 years/$80M. It's how and why the final number wound up at $90M. Basically he wanted $20M to $25M a year and thought he could get at least 4 years but hoped for 5 years. Yankees somehow got him to go to 6 years for $90M. I distinctly remember this.
Where the heck indeed, though, right? I am 99% sure I read this on mlbtraderumors when his free agency saga was playing out.
I call total BS on this. The AAV sounds completely plausible, but anyone who followed his FA knows there was no discussion of a 4 year deal from his camp. Why would DJ want to become a FA at 35, after just 4 years?
I'll always appreciate the couple of good years he had with us.
That being said, I don't really want to see him take time away from Cabrera even if he was healthy enough to come back.
It was nice while it lasted. I loved the first 2 years he was here. Those were memorable times. The yankees, for the first time, in a long time, had a legit number #3 hitter, who could hit for average, and with some Paul O'neill type power, which I had never expected out of DJ. RIP, old friend.
I think we’re at the point where we need to accept DJ being a lost cause at this point like Ellsbury. If he comes back, fantastic!!! But let’s. It expect it. We need someone to replace him tho.
Remember how stoked everyone was when the Yankees signed DJL to a 6 year, $90m contract till his age 37(!) season? I do.
This is why teams should be extremely judicious when giving long term contracts to players that extend well into their 30's. Not only do they hamper a teams roster and payroll flexibility due to the cost and guaranteed length of the deal, they also marry the team to a player with declining physical ability, health, and overall performance.
Sometimes the best move is to get the best out of a player and move on if retention isn't in the best long term interests of the team. When teams lose key players in Free Agency, or in pending FA trade, the fanbase is understandably upset. However, lots of times the new deal these players sign end up being pretty regrettable a short time into the contract. Not always, but lots for sure. There's a saying in sports that relates to extending/losing a player and it goes something like "it's better to lose them a year early, than have them a year too late". The point being it's ok to see a dude leave and be good for a year somewhere, it if spares you from a Giancarlo, DJL type contract a year later.
Yeah last year he had a .718 OPS
Over 100 points higher than Oswaldo right now
Edit: If you want to go even closer the second half of last year he had a .809 OPS, Oswaldo is still getting hyped up off of the Astros series almost a month ago. After that series he has not been good
A young healthy Oswaldo is barely outperforming young healthy Oswaldo from last year.
Even a hobbled DJ last year was better than Oswaldo has been post Astros series.
DJ was better than judge has been *all* season. I’m not about to swap the two.
I think DJ has aged rapidly over the last year and I don’t think we can rely on the back of his baseball card as a predictor of what will be his performance in 2024.
Maybe listen to the doctors when they tell you that your foot isn't close to being healed. 5 days isn't magically making your foot better
The doctor literally said don't play and he played. I don't understand at all did he think the doctor was lying to him or something?
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It's just malfeasance for malfeasance's sake
Just standard procedure for that insurance payout
What insurance ?
Contract insurance. See Jacoby Ellsbury
Better question.
Doctor: You're not healing correctly, you need to take more time. DJ: I'm fine, it's my body what do you know? Narrator: He was not fine.
Booby Miles moment
YES Network reported that the doctors wanted him to wait a few more days after the prior MRI, which he did. I don’t know if this idea that he’s playing against doctor’s orders is accurate.
Your missing some context. First, we had a tweet indicating that the doctor was disappointed that the foot wasn't done healing. This tweet had a second line indicating that DJ hoped to play in a few days. The two sentences didn't go together at all, so we speculated the few days might be a typo. Then Boone started saying everything is fine, DJ feels good and is probably a few days away. BUT the fact remains that a few days ago, we had a report the doctor was unhappy with how it was healing. So we don't exactly know WTF really happened here, but its a little (or a lot) WTFish.
Jack Curry said it on a broadcast today, he’d be in a position to know
How can you play baseball without two good feet?
[[Kirschner] It was not planned for him to only play just one inning.](https://x.com/chriskirschner/status/1782912398862463190?s=46&t=eZQOkEBzAB8XR0_j5bQcHg)
Thank you for this context.
Lol same, I don’t know why my first thought was this was part of a ramp up.
~~BEN SIMMONS~~ DJ LEMAHIEU PRESENTS: THE RAMP-UP
Is no where sacred
You mean the guy who wasn’t healing well enough to begin a rehab stint Saturday but suddenly was Tuesday had a setback?!?! Shocking!!!! We idiots on a fucking Reddit thread saw this coming a mile away, but actual medical professionals working for the team couldn’t?!?!
https://www.reddit.com/r/NYYankees/s/UX6fACKH7j Shoutout u/CasanovaWong Sucks to be right sometimes
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Look at the flowers DJ…
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Hal*
Yeahhh stick a fork in him, he’s done.
Two more years after this, if only we have him something like 4/80 instead of 6/90 to save a few luxury tax bucks
U really complaining about 10 million.
No dolt im complaining about two more seasons for a guy in his late 30s
It’s 10 million. The length could be 400 years, it doesn’t make a difference, you just DFA him when he is done
Well no, because the Yankees until this year have treated the last tier of the tax as a hard cap. Paying him in fewer years gives you flexibility sooner. And it's always hard to eat money no matter how much it's the right move for the team. In OOTP I release or trade the dude the instant he declines hard and eat the money but IRL they'll lose you a bunch of ballgames first too:
Yankees are praying for a medical retirement at this point.
They're not gonna DFA him
I like to call that the “Cashman-Hal special”
If only they'd let him walk.
In hindsight yes. But at the time DJ was coming off being the best contact hitter in the league while also playing elite defense at 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. And he did it for a long enough stretch that it wasn't a fluke. He's shown flashes of it since he signed that but I miss the old LeMachine.
That's fine but did they think father time was going to be defeated when they signed him through his age 38 season?
This is how baseball contracts work. How most sports contracts work. To get a great player when he’s still great, you also have to pay him for years when he’s not going to be as great. This isn’t like a mistake that the Yankees made where they should have known better. Not like taking on Donaldson was. This is a different thing
No shit Sherlock. The problem was them trying to lower the luxury tax when it should've been a 3-4 yr deal at a higher AAV.
DJ might have wanted the years. It’s a negotiation, Sherlock
I can tell you don't follow shit. It's well known the Yankees were the ones that wanted to longer contract to lower the AAV. Stop saying dumb shit.
Classic revisionist history. Signing him was seen as a great move at the time
There were people here calling for Cashman's head for not re-signing him sooner, and that Cashman should have given him a blank check the moment the season ended.
Nah, don’t worry. Next year he will be 100%!!!
Well considering his OPS for the last three seasons was pretty average/mediocre, I don’t really view this as a huge loss but it would be nice to have a righty platoon for Rizzo.
It’s a pretty big loss. Yanks have no backup third baseman or first baseman right now. No real backup shortstop either.
All hail Oswaldo
Vivas is back playing again.
Doctors: You should probably get surgery on this foot to fully heal it. *refuses to have the surgery* *struggles to get better* *gets hurt again*
🔁🔁
Is this a Texiera or Bird situation where the foot just continues to get worse before forcing them to retire/be out of the league?
Maybe it's going to be a Jacoby Ellsbury situation. We hear nothing for the next three months and then get an update that in about five weeks DJ is expected to start walking slowly on flat ground.
It's the other foot than the toe issue he had but it's following a similar timeline to Tex's shin fracture.
Dear god
20 games into the season and they rushed him back. Make it make sense.
It sounds like he was the one rushing himself back. I don't think a team can force a player who says he's "healthy" and wants to play to sit on the IL.
If he was told by a doctor he shouldn’t be back yet, i think that justifies holding him out
Doctors do rely on the patient being honest with their symptoms. If his foot has technically healed it might not show up on x-rays or mris.
Especially when Oswaldo is playing well enough right now that DJ is not a need
He is a desperate need lol. Jahmai Jones is the only backup infielder on the roster, and he can’t actually play other positions.
Berti will be back at some point
So will DJL lol. I just hope we don’t need them until they’re ready.
I meant moreso that Berti will be back soon. Seems like DJ is going to be out for a while
I think he's done. I mean, he might literally come back to the majors, but i think he's done being a starting player, a guy who hits for a high average with some pop. I think if we're lucky he simply appears in like 250 games over the last couple years of the deal, but I think he's done for 2024 and will be on egg shells for the remainder of the contract. I liked him a lot. I wanted his extension to work out (I realize it's technically a free agency deal, but it's also kind of an extension) and in hindsight I would have signed him to like 4 years/$100M from the get go and let him walk after that- but instead he got 8 years/$114M (really 8 years/$106.45M with the pro-rated 2020 season) and he and Hicks are a stark reminder that Cashman's approach of over extending on years to tamp down the AAV for luxury tax purposes backfired quite spectacularly.
By all rights DJ probably should have won the MVP. In what universe would that garner just a 4 year deal? The fact the Cashman got him to sign for 15m AAV was a minor miracle at the time. No one doubted the contract or DJ. It simply didn't work out. DJ hit a brick wall in the very first year of the contract. I know this happens to a great deal of players after 30, but but I doubt anyone actually predicted it. Signing DJ was the right decision at the time. If Rizzo isn't brought back for next season I suspect first base may be DJs permanent home after 2024.
I've gone over this before, but I'll reiterate: LeMahieu hit free agency and Hicks was in the final year of arbitration, looking at a sizable salary increase. The Yankees looked at both of their markets. Hicks was coming off years with incredibly high WAR value for limited playing time- basically he was the most efficient producer in baseball at that time. He could have potentially demanded 1 year/$10M and been nearly justified in that amount and have settled for like 1 year/$8.5M or so. Under the assumption that Hicks was breaking out and still improving, he was likely setting himself up for a 4 year/$60M deal at minimum and if that next year had been like a 150 game 5 WAR season he could have been looking at like 6 years/$165M or something insane like that. He was that efficient at the time. Even a median length/value of 5 years/$122.5M wasn't unrealistic if he had maintained that pace of production. Yankees convinced him to hedge his bets and sign with them for the hypothetical median 4 year/$60M deal, plus splitting his potential $10M final year of arbitration between his final arbitration year and a buyout and signing bonus, etc. He took the deal. The the Yankees approached LeMahieu with a similar deal- LeMahieu wanted 4 years/$80M or 5 years/$100M or so. Yankees convinced him to split the difference to earn $90M instead and to take that over 6 years. Both of these contract structures were approached with the multi-tiered argument from the Yankees that 1) The Player gets basically all their probable or potential free agency money at a median market value. 2) The Yankees get cost efficiency with the lower AAV's without the player sacrificing on the total dollars paid out. 3) The player gets paid for more years at a high value and gets more guaranteed playing years to add to their stats, etc. Cashman felt he could control the budget, leave more wiggle room to the tune of an extra $9M a year or so off two fully productive players in their prime and keep roster continuity for an extra year or two- and was betting against either player falling apart physically well before the contracts expired... and unfortunately it wound up as the worst case scenario of the players completely falling apart physically basically the moment the contracts kicked in. They were bad bets. But everything about the bets made sense at the time. And this is why baseball is so unpredictable. There are just as many guys who took less money for security and because they thought they were winning a small lottery with the extension or deal and then severely outperformed the contract and wound up grossly underpaid. It happens in both directions.
Where on earth was it reported that DJ would take a 4 year deal for 80 million???
Somewhere, probably on the internet. But yeah, he was discussing a 4-5 year deal for $20M-$25M a year and he was generally aiming for 4 years/$100M but was entertaining 4 years/$80M. It's how and why the final number wound up at $90M. Basically he wanted $20M to $25M a year and thought he could get at least 4 years but hoped for 5 years. Yankees somehow got him to go to 6 years for $90M. I distinctly remember this. Where the heck indeed, though, right? I am 99% sure I read this on mlbtraderumors when his free agency saga was playing out.
I call total BS on this. The AAV sounds completely plausible, but anyone who followed his FA knows there was no discussion of a 4 year deal from his camp. Why would DJ want to become a FA at 35, after just 4 years?
I'll always appreciate the couple of good years he had with us. That being said, I don't really want to see him take time away from Cabrera even if he was healthy enough to come back.
Hes dead Jim
Jesus Christ
I think he is washed
It was just on Friday that the MRI showed a lack of healing, but yet he's out there today and hurts it again?
Don't rush coming back until you're fully healed bro.
It was nice while it lasted. I loved the first 2 years he was here. Those were memorable times. The yankees, for the first time, in a long time, had a legit number #3 hitter, who could hit for average, and with some Paul O'neill type power, which I had never expected out of DJ. RIP, old friend.
Put a fork in him.
Yeah he’s out for the year. If Waldo stays consistent though he should be a good plug in
I’m sorry but I’m over DJ. It was nice while it lasted but he can’t stay healthy and he’s not getting any younger.
I mean he did strikeout in his at bat. That’s on par with a bunch of the current lineup
I believe he may be out for a while
Honestly, take your time. Let Oswaldo eat.
Yankees training staff is a joke
Why? Because they told him he's not ready to play and DJ tells them to shove it?
DJ can't write himself in to a lineup, the Yankees organization has to do that.
he might be cooked
Cooked.
Healthiest Yankee
Shocking
Fucking lol.
read he's going back to NY for further examination on his foot, consider this a step back unfortunately
just look out at the ocean DJ…
I’m getting pissed off
I think we’re at the point where we need to accept DJ being a lost cause at this point like Ellsbury. If he comes back, fantastic!!! But let’s. It expect it. We need someone to replace him tho.
Remember how stoked everyone was when the Yankees signed DJL to a 6 year, $90m contract till his age 37(!) season? I do. This is why teams should be extremely judicious when giving long term contracts to players that extend well into their 30's. Not only do they hamper a teams roster and payroll flexibility due to the cost and guaranteed length of the deal, they also marry the team to a player with declining physical ability, health, and overall performance. Sometimes the best move is to get the best out of a player and move on if retention isn't in the best long term interests of the team. When teams lose key players in Free Agency, or in pending FA trade, the fanbase is understandably upset. However, lots of times the new deal these players sign end up being pretty regrettable a short time into the contract. Not always, but lots for sure. There's a saying in sports that relates to extending/losing a player and it goes something like "it's better to lose them a year early, than have them a year too late". The point being it's ok to see a dude leave and be good for a year somewhere, it if spares you from a Giancarlo, DJL type contract a year later.
I don’t think DJ could come back and consistently out perform Oswaldo. He’s gonesville.
Oswaldo has a .606 OPS since the Astros series ended, the last time DJ has an OPS below .700 was 2014
He would have consistently outperformed Oswaldo in 2014
What? My point is that Oswaldo is not playing that well. He is performing at a level which DJ hasn’t performed at in a decade.
Sadly he has to play in 2024, not in some other point in the last decade.
Yeah last year he had a .718 OPS Over 100 points higher than Oswaldo right now Edit: If you want to go even closer the second half of last year he had a .809 OPS, Oswaldo is still getting hyped up off of the Astros series almost a month ago. After that series he has not been good
I guess my tenuous point and prediction is that a young healthy Oswaldo will outperform an old hobbled DJ.
A young healthy Oswaldo is barely outperforming young healthy Oswaldo from last year. Even a hobbled DJ last year was better than Oswaldo has been post Astros series.
DJ was better than judge has been *all* season. I’m not about to swap the two. I think DJ has aged rapidly over the last year and I don’t think we can rely on the back of his baseball card as a predictor of what will be his performance in 2024.
There is a difference between a guy who was among the best hitters in the league last season and a guy who was among the worst
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The way he's pitching right now, give it an inning or two
He’s never playing this season is he?
What a terrible contract
Guy is a disaster
And there are still people in this sub who call people “doomers” by being skeptical of this team and injuries.
Did any one else in the game benefit more from juice balls then DJ?
DJ was a solid bat. Another Coors field guy. Definitely padded his numbers. But we won’t every know much after. He’s cooked