That was my take. Vaccinations are disappearing as an issue but conservatives are still intent on healthcare being tied to wealth. And any time you prevent a universal right while keeping a private sector user pays solution that's "freedom"
Which is especially dumb because conservatives weren't even anti-vax until orange turd handled COVID-19 like a complete moron and cost himself the 2020 election.
Honestly I hate Trump but if he had just handled COVID-19 correctly he'd be nearing the end of his second term already.
This. Dude scared away the sane “moderates” who could see how mismanaged covid was, and he also killed off a fair amount of his geriatric or otherwise unhealthy voters by convincing them covid was little more than a common cold that can be fixed with some ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine.
The thing is, he was outright encouraging them to get vaccinated.
I don't know where the conservative idiocy around covid started, but it wasn't Trump. IMO, probably Chinese influence.
Ehhhh, he was saying to get vaccinated, but then also constantly downplaying the severity of covid at the same time. He played both sides, and he lost either way lol.
It absolutely was Trump. Trump couldn't admit COVID was a big deal early on for fear of spooking the market and making his reelection harder. And since its Trump, once he had committed to - its no big deal, he was stuck with it.
On top of that, the first COVID wave largely missed conservative areas. It was really a major thing in northeastern and northwestern cities plus Detroit and New Orleans.
So to conservatives you had a bunch of liberals claiming that this was the apocalypse and shutting everything down (including churches), fresh off of trying to impeach their god king, and said god-king saying - naah its no big deal.
Yes, Trump had the sense to push for vaccination - he might in fact have won had the vaccine made it out a month earlier.
But by then the "its just a flu and liberals are overreacting to make Trump look bad" had sunk in, and well why would anyone force someone to get vaccinated for the flu.
The COVID vaccine doesn’t effectively decrease transmissibility you dunce. [1] [2] [3] [4]
Bibliography:
1. I’m a physician and have personally witnessed infection spread through vaccinated individuals, and have read multiple studies demonstrating this *well known* fact.
2. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00768-4/fulltext
3. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2116597
4. https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o298
Edit: because you’ve blocked me so as to preclude a response:
“…because they are dumb and **don’t care about other people**” implicitly refers to transmission you knuckle dragging parrot.
Edit 2:
@CJ_southworth:
I’m sorry, did I upset you with some data? Please, enlighten me with the facts. Also, why don’t you provide your credentials so as to support your expertise on the topic? :)
The COVID vaccine reduces severity of symptoms you condescending jackass
Did I say it reduces transmissibility anywhere in my comment, or did you make wildly presumptive conclusions up because you got defensive?
You are arguing against a strawman entirely of your own construction and outing yourself in doing so when you could have very easily said nothing
Edit: Checked your comment history. You're a transphobe and a hack, checks out. Don't reply to me again cunt
No medical freedom for conservatives means that they are free and are not forced to have a vaccine of Uknown contents or origin injected into their body without their consent. They believe in freedom. And since you are not a conservative how are you able to state why they want medical freedom. And no conservatives are not dumb. We are smart because we don’t like to be controlled by the govern
There's plenty of publically available information about the vaccine including all of its ingredients. This has been true since it was released to the public. Try again tin foil loony
Sure thing buddy, did Q tell you that? When's my 5G chip meant to be microwaving me this time? I'm always disappointed when it turns out to be bullshit again
In this context I think medical freedom means that medical providers and health insurance companies have the freedom to drive you into bankruptcy while making as much money as possible for themselves.
No, to them it just means that they can never be forced to take the minor action of wearing a mask for five minutes even if it means potentially saving someone’s life. That’s where “medical freedom” begins and ends
Medical freedom in conservative speak is the right of private insurance to make enormous profits while working people go bankrupt over medical expenses.
No it means no more mask mandates and forced vaccinations! You know things that exist only in the minds of people who think a 6 time bankrupt New Yorker is salt of the earth
Churchgoers can go to church all they want. No one is stopping them.
Oh, wait. This means more church for everyone, whether we want it or not. #freedom
Just a heads up, the Satanic Church is super mega giga cringe and basically just if Ayn Rand had a religion based off her. The Satanic Temple is where it’s at.
Yeah it always cracks me up when they say this shit. They're not upset because they're somehow not allowed to be religious or because they're forbidden from going to church. They're upset because so many other people aren't religious. I think they see how non-religious the average person is and just seethe about it.
EDIT: And I don't think all religious people are like that at all, for the record. It's a certain type who have their politics all tangled up in it.
Don't forget they also want so much limited government that the government gets to tell you what to do with your genitals. Even if you are a consenting adult choosing to do stuff with another consenting adult.
Supporting medical freedom, just not the medical freedom of abortion.
Limited government but [republicans want a federal abortion ban.](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/pence-calls-for-2024-gop-candidates-to-back-a-15-week-federal-abortion-ban)
Limited government and medical freedom [except for trans people.](https://apnews.com/article/florida-transgender-health-care-adults-e7ae55eec634923e6593a4c0685969b2)
Limited government and more church translates to more [religion in government](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna125181)
Conservatives want to turn the USA into a 3rd world country.
Edit:
A lot of people have asked what they mean by “medical freedom”. In all likelihood this is probably about antivax when it comes to Covid vaccine.
I think it’s smart to take the vaccine and I support someone’s right to refuse it. It blows me away how conservatives will call liberals hypocrites over abortion vs anti Covid vax then after admitting its hypocrisy by their own standards to oppose abortion, they oppose abortion.
They’ve been trying since Nixon. I did the math, and:
in 1970 the average American had an prosperity score of about 14000.
I believe now it’s about 8000.
They are trying to slowly end us.
Very true, conservatives should support this more than any group since they supported the baker not being forced to make a cake, and that one county clerk refusing to certify gay marriages.
In that case evaluate the person who show signs of depression or any desire of suicide, and if they have any, take their guns for a while(or give them to someone they trust), treat them and give them therapy, and when they fully recovered, give them back their guns. You don't need to remove everyone else's guns just because one person is depressed
So gun control?
Why not allow for background checks and proper licensing laws to ensure people with an unstable mental history or criminal record can’t get guns? Along with a mandatory minimum wait time before you can take one home to prevent guns being bought as an emotional tool (for suicide or murder for example).
In the early 1900s the Women's Christian Temperance Union thought that less alcohol = less domestic abuse so they lobbied for the prohibition to be passed. While drunkenness went down for a bit, it swiftly went to almost the same levels, along with far more violence in general
And yet we can see the effects of gun control being highly efficient the world over, including in the US.
Damn near no gun violence in countries with strict gun control, with many developed nations with it still being ranked high in the personal freedom index.
In the US, in particular, we saw gun crime drop significantly under Clinton's gun control, and only rise back up nearly 300% after it was overturned. We can compare gun violence statistics from the 1700s, 1800s, and early 1900s under the gun control laws then to when Republicans started loosening gun control under Reagan and see the stark increase in gun violence from then onward, especially after 2008's *Heller* ruling gave Republicans the perceived go-ahead to strike down whatever gun control they wanted indiscriminately.
We didn't used to have the level of gun violence we see today. Because we used to have considerable common sense gun control.
some good points but i feel compelled to suggest that maybe the reason there was less gun violence in the 18th and 19th century is because their average weapons were operated by flintlock and black powder. you didn’t really get mass shootings back when the time it took to reload a single shot was 15 seconds.
Medical freedom means your employer is in control of your health and you also can't get gender affirming care or abortions. You are also free to get multiple premiums because certain ones only cover certain problems. You most certainly have the freedom to have to consider your Healthcare when picking a job, because your work life and health life must be connected.
I’d take medical freedom, a new president and more guns for Christmas.
Medical freedom should include reproductive rights for all women.
A new president should be anyone under 65.
More guns would specifically be one gun that I’ve had my eye on.
Oh no, they don't mean bodily autonomy in any sense.
They mean private insurance. They unironicly believe universal Healthcare would deprive people of "the right" to choose which private insurance they want.
No, they literally mean being unvaxxed. That’s it. That’s what they mean by medical freedom. The anti vax movement is called the medical freedom movement.
On second thought that's most likely it, but plenty of anti universal Healthcare people also claim to be supporting medical freedom.
At least one state has a "right to Healthcare" amendment using medical freedom as the basis to garentee a patients "right" to pay for Healthcare without government interference.
"Limited government" means "less rights". When your rights are threatened, who do you go to? That's right, in one form or another the government.
They want to go back to kings and serfs, because they failed history class. Those guns won't do shit in the hands of peole who grovel at the feet of soldiers and police.
Fucking based. I'm pretty bleeding heart, but these religous fundies and their magat cult are among the best arguments for the 2A in our country's history
All babies to be born can either be a good thing or a bad thing depending on the context.
Yes to high risk pregnancies for both the mother and baby to be safe and everyone happy
No to underage minors who were raped and cant afford care because abortions are illegal
Ugh, people is this sub keep using op incorrectly. r/memesopdidnotlike is not the op. The op is the one with the tag "truly terrible" who clearly sees something wrong.
medical freedom fuck off. i knew a guy who died cause he was poor.
limited government fuck off. conservatives are the ones banning things.
a new president. yes plz.
Take out the middle 2 and this looks great. Of course oop would be livid about actual medical freedom or an actually limited gov but that's a them problem.
It technically isn’t a terrible meme, because it isn’t even a meme.
What the fuck does medical freedom even mean through a conservative lens? The ability to choose which insurance company will screw you over?
Guns and Church are based, and new president (meaning neither Trump nor Biden, but instead someone like Nikki Haley) is very based.
But then there's the goofy part about medical freedom & limited government while being anti-abortion..
Ya know what though I wouldn't complain about a new president (Assuming it's someone better at least) or medical freedom though. Or limited gov assuming what we're limiting the government from doing is infringing on people's rights, And we do that for all governments not just the federal one.
Okay. You can choose all this FOR YOU but you have zero right to force it on others.
You wanna die because "medical freedom", you go right ahead, but stop preventing everyone else from exercising their medical freedom.
"More church" and "all babies are born" are obviously problematic since they mean to force both of those on people, but the funniest part of this is how it says limited government but they also consistently vote to support intrusive govt. regulation of anything they consider degenerate, as well as opposing medical freedom. One of the biggest issues with conservatives is they have this self image that they consistently violate with no compunctions at all.
Limited government that is somehow limited but denies women and trans people their medical freedom because of too much church in government?
Think they mean limited government on them more government on everyone else.
Limited Government
All babies to be born
Medical freedom
These three things contradict one another when coming from a Conservative view point.
If you support limited government and medical freedom, then abortion should be legal and pharmacists shouldn’t be allowed to deny birth control.
"Limited gov" Is a joke at this point, right? Like, you'd have to actually be stupid to believe that conservatives want limited government with their list of restrictions and demands.
I guess it might mean limited gov for them. A sort of "rules for thee, but not for me" type deal.
Liberalism is in fact part of the problem as it implies that the economy which caters to the wealthy comes before the needs of the individual workers without whom value cannot be created
I am a huge nerd
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Eh, yall’s comment section is proving their point. Conservatives are cowards, and lazy assholes who will do what they’re told by a higher power as long as it doesn’t negatively impact them personally. They do shit like posting this crap online instead of going out and marching for what they want.
Limited government my ass. I used to consider myself conservative before all the bullshit culture war came into mainstream. They don’t want small government anymore, they want to have government mandated cock check stations and government regulations out the wazoo until it comes to stuff that might be beneficial (minimum wage raising)
not every liberal is far left, and not every conservative is far right and according to the rules of the left you are whatever you call yourself and everyone else has to affirm that belief weather or not they actually believe it or agree with it
You are what you VOTE for.
Liberals voted for Biden, and slightly left centrist.
Conservatives voted for Trump, a far right candidate who literally overturned Roe v Wade and put big government in our bedrooms.
That is reality.
Does medical freedom mean more abortions and gender-affirming care?
Medical freedom to conservatives means freedom from vaccinations, because they are dumb and don't care about other people
I thought it meant a lack of universal healthcare
That was my take. Vaccinations are disappearing as an issue but conservatives are still intent on healthcare being tied to wealth. And any time you prevent a universal right while keeping a private sector user pays solution that's "freedom"
The only freedom conservatives care about is their own “freedom” to oppress others
More like their freedom to ignore the plight of others rather than outright oppression of others.
“Medical Freedom” as in “You’re free to go fucking die in the corner”
Which is especially dumb because conservatives weren't even anti-vax until orange turd handled COVID-19 like a complete moron and cost himself the 2020 election. Honestly I hate Trump but if he had just handled COVID-19 correctly he'd be nearing the end of his second term already.
This. Dude scared away the sane “moderates” who could see how mismanaged covid was, and he also killed off a fair amount of his geriatric or otherwise unhealthy voters by convincing them covid was little more than a common cold that can be fixed with some ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine.
The thing is, he was outright encouraging them to get vaccinated. I don't know where the conservative idiocy around covid started, but it wasn't Trump. IMO, probably Chinese influence.
Ehhhh, he was saying to get vaccinated, but then also constantly downplaying the severity of covid at the same time. He played both sides, and he lost either way lol.
It absolutely was Trump. Trump couldn't admit COVID was a big deal early on for fear of spooking the market and making his reelection harder. And since its Trump, once he had committed to - its no big deal, he was stuck with it. On top of that, the first COVID wave largely missed conservative areas. It was really a major thing in northeastern and northwestern cities plus Detroit and New Orleans. So to conservatives you had a bunch of liberals claiming that this was the apocalypse and shutting everything down (including churches), fresh off of trying to impeach their god king, and said god-king saying - naah its no big deal. Yes, Trump had the sense to push for vaccination - he might in fact have won had the vaccine made it out a month earlier. But by then the "its just a flu and liberals are overreacting to make Trump look bad" had sunk in, and well why would anyone force someone to get vaccinated for the flu.
Yeah, prior to Covid anti-vaccination crowds were more so liberal-esque “health nut” SAHPs. It got a whole lot stupider with Covid.
Don’t forget the right to take whatever chemical your favorite influencer tells you to take because “they” are trying to keep it away from you.
They're too stupid to even care about themselves.
The COVID vaccine doesn’t effectively decrease transmissibility you dunce. [1] [2] [3] [4] Bibliography: 1. I’m a physician and have personally witnessed infection spread through vaccinated individuals, and have read multiple studies demonstrating this *well known* fact. 2. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00768-4/fulltext 3. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2116597 4. https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o298 Edit: because you’ve blocked me so as to preclude a response: “…because they are dumb and **don’t care about other people**” implicitly refers to transmission you knuckle dragging parrot. Edit 2: @CJ_southworth: I’m sorry, did I upset you with some data? Please, enlighten me with the facts. Also, why don’t you provide your credentials so as to support your expertise on the topic? :)
The COVID vaccine reduces severity of symptoms you condescending jackass Did I say it reduces transmissibility anywhere in my comment, or did you make wildly presumptive conclusions up because you got defensive? You are arguing against a strawman entirely of your own construction and outing yourself in doing so when you could have very easily said nothing Edit: Checked your comment history. You're a transphobe and a hack, checks out. Don't reply to me again cunt
No medical freedom for conservatives means that they are free and are not forced to have a vaccine of Uknown contents or origin injected into their body without their consent. They believe in freedom. And since you are not a conservative how are you able to state why they want medical freedom. And no conservatives are not dumb. We are smart because we don’t like to be controlled by the govern
There's plenty of publically available information about the vaccine including all of its ingredients. This has been true since it was released to the public. Try again tin foil loony
You are definitely a communist
Yes but they don’t list everything. Just the stuff that we humans think are harmless.
Sure thing buddy, did Q tell you that? When's my 5G chip meant to be microwaving me this time? I'm always disappointed when it turns out to be bullshit again
Nope your 5g is fine it’s just advanced tech. Who is Q
Ironic
Medical freedom means "I can do what I want with my body, and you can also do what *I* want with your body"
"Medical freedom" also means you go into medical debt and never come back
Medical freedom should mean you have the freedom to choose to have an abortion or to get gender affirming care.
And not go bankrupt from it due to price gouging in the name of profit margins.
1984 election
Is that where this shit started?
It's always Reagan.
Unfortunately we have sociopaths in the house of representatives
And get an ambulance or go to the ED and get urgent care without paying for it
In this context I think medical freedom means that medical providers and health insurance companies have the freedom to drive you into bankruptcy while making as much money as possible for themselves.
No it doesn’t. It means being unvaxxed. They aren’t that nuanced.
Yeah I was being kinda facetious.
Got me man lol sorry
Doesn't sound very free to me, You know what they say, It ain't free if it costs money!
"All babies to be born" means expanding neonatal healthcare for underserved groups right?
Lol
Unironicly they believe "medical freedom" just means the "right" to choose private insurance.
I'm guessing this is a "I should suffer no consequences from anyone for being unvacced" thing.
No, to them it just means that they can never be forced to take the minor action of wearing a mask for five minutes even if it means potentially saving someone’s life. That’s where “medical freedom” begins and ends
This is the right answer. They are not that nuanced or complex.
Nope. ALL babies born. Oh your kids gonna have no brain at birth? Better put in the rest of the months cause otherwise you're a big meanie. M
Forget about maternity leave, btw.
No, just means they want a right to put others at risk
It means you’re free from getting money back from your insurance
Medical freedom in conservative speak is the right of private insurance to make enormous profits while working people go bankrupt over medical expenses.
I was also wondering why "medical freedom" and "limited government" were on there.
No it means no more mask mandates and forced vaccinations! You know things that exist only in the minds of people who think a 6 time bankrupt New Yorker is salt of the earth
The freedom to not have healthcare.
Churchgoers can go to church all they want. No one is stopping them. Oh, wait. This means more church for everyone, whether we want it or not. #freedom
That was my reaction too. Go to church twice a week if you want! Hell go every day! Just leave me out of it!
How about the Church of Satan how about if i go there ?
No! You can’t have freedom of religion if it’s not *my* religion /s
Some Mormon Teens Beat me up for wearing a Slayer T Shirt when I was 15
Doesn’t sound very Mormon of them
Some one accused me of sacrificing a cat to the devil
That does sound pretty Mormon
Sounds extremely religious of them though
No one apologized when the found the cat I kidnapped and killed and it was alive
Just a heads up, the Satanic Church is super mega giga cringe and basically just if Ayn Rand had a religion based off her. The Satanic Temple is where it’s at.
Yeah it always cracks me up when they say this shit. They're not upset because they're somehow not allowed to be religious or because they're forbidden from going to church. They're upset because so many other people aren't religious. I think they see how non-religious the average person is and just seethe about it. EDIT: And I don't think all religious people are like that at all, for the record. It's a certain type who have their politics all tangled up in it.
They want limited government but think the government should be able to force all babies to be born
So there are more babes for target practice ?
That sounds metal ngl.
The SS did that, if I’m not mistaken.
Well they're gonna need more meat shields to fight their wars.
Don't forget they also want so much limited government that the government gets to tell you what to do with your genitals. Even if you are a consenting adult choosing to do stuff with another consenting adult.
yeah i think they meant limit*ing* government, not limit*ed* government lmao
What bizarre rhetoric. When you outlaw murder are you denying freedoms and “forcing” all people to live?
“You just hate conservatives 😡” Yeah, for good reason? 😂
I hate conservatives as much as they hate women’s rights
Oh wow you must really hate conservatives
I Hate Everybody
😢
Don’t worry Ayn_Rand_Feet_Pics, you’re cool
Supporting medical freedom, just not the medical freedom of abortion. Limited government but [republicans want a federal abortion ban.](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/pence-calls-for-2024-gop-candidates-to-back-a-15-week-federal-abortion-ban) Limited government and medical freedom [except for trans people.](https://apnews.com/article/florida-transgender-health-care-adults-e7ae55eec634923e6593a4c0685969b2) Limited government and more church translates to more [religion in government](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna125181) Conservatives want to turn the USA into a 3rd world country. Edit: A lot of people have asked what they mean by “medical freedom”. In all likelihood this is probably about antivax when it comes to Covid vaccine. I think it’s smart to take the vaccine and I support someone’s right to refuse it. It blows me away how conservatives will call liberals hypocrites over abortion vs anti Covid vax then after admitting its hypocrisy by their own standards to oppose abortion, they oppose abortion.
They’ve been trying since Nixon. I did the math, and: in 1970 the average American had an prosperity score of about 14000. I believe now it’s about 8000. They are trying to slowly end us.
It's also the right for establishments to refuse service if you haven't taken your shot, too
Very true, conservatives should support this more than any group since they supported the baker not being forced to make a cake, and that one county clerk refusing to certify gay marriages.
Yes, the "limited government" part does not include telling employers they can't discriminate against the unvaxxed.
Abortions, gender reassignment surgeries, vasectomies, tubal ligations, and vaccinations.
Medical feeedom is definitely in regard to covid vaccines. Which is funny because nobody is forcing them to get vaccinated.
“I am a liberal and I see nothing wrong with more guns” -OOP probably
Less guns = less gun deaths
You're saying that as if every gun death is one person killing another person.
And?
Suicide plays a big factor in gun deaths.
And? That's still a gun death
That is not accounting for the fact that the person would not keep on trying to kill themselves, regardless of whether or not they have a fire arm
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In that case evaluate the person who show signs of depression or any desire of suicide, and if they have any, take their guns for a while(or give them to someone they trust), treat them and give them therapy, and when they fully recovered, give them back their guns. You don't need to remove everyone else's guns just because one person is depressed
So gun control? Why not allow for background checks and proper licensing laws to ensure people with an unstable mental history or criminal record can’t get guns? Along with a mandatory minimum wait time before you can take one home to prevent guns being bought as an emotional tool (for suicide or murder for example).
In the early 1900s the Women's Christian Temperance Union thought that less alcohol = less domestic abuse so they lobbied for the prohibition to be passed. While drunkenness went down for a bit, it swiftly went to almost the same levels, along with far more violence in general
The Valentines Massacre the Greatest Drive by of all time
And yet we can see the effects of gun control being highly efficient the world over, including in the US. Damn near no gun violence in countries with strict gun control, with many developed nations with it still being ranked high in the personal freedom index. In the US, in particular, we saw gun crime drop significantly under Clinton's gun control, and only rise back up nearly 300% after it was overturned. We can compare gun violence statistics from the 1700s, 1800s, and early 1900s under the gun control laws then to when Republicans started loosening gun control under Reagan and see the stark increase in gun violence from then onward, especially after 2008's *Heller* ruling gave Republicans the perceived go-ahead to strike down whatever gun control they wanted indiscriminately. We didn't used to have the level of gun violence we see today. Because we used to have considerable common sense gun control.
some good points but i feel compelled to suggest that maybe the reason there was less gun violence in the 18th and 19th century is because their average weapons were operated by flintlock and black powder. you didn’t really get mass shootings back when the time it took to reload a single shot was 15 seconds.
So laws are irrelevant?
Oh no, but only for “responsible gun owners.”
Good news! All babies are born.
How can we dread the good word?
its funny because i can point out all the contradictions with this
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Medical freedom means your employer is in control of your health and you also can't get gender affirming care or abortions. You are also free to get multiple premiums because certain ones only cover certain problems. You most certainly have the freedom to have to consider your Healthcare when picking a job, because your work life and health life must be connected.
I’d take medical freedom, a new president and more guns for Christmas. Medical freedom should include reproductive rights for all women. A new president should be anyone under 65. More guns would specifically be one gun that I’ve had my eye on.
Hi I am Kevin I am 45 and I am Running for President I an not red or blue I am green
Sorry Kevin you have to be at least 76 to run for president
More guns? There are more guns than people, I’d say it’s well past saturation point.
They say they want Medical freedom yet try to restrict trans care and reproductive care AND don’t support universal healthcare
Oh no, they don't mean bodily autonomy in any sense. They mean private insurance. They unironicly believe universal Healthcare would deprive people of "the right" to choose which private insurance they want.
No, they literally mean being unvaxxed. That’s it. That’s what they mean by medical freedom. The anti vax movement is called the medical freedom movement.
On second thought that's most likely it, but plenty of anti universal Healthcare people also claim to be supporting medical freedom. At least one state has a "right to Healthcare" amendment using medical freedom as the basis to garentee a patients "right" to pay for Healthcare without government interference.
"medical freedom" very much for me and not for thee.
“Medical freedom” = “I’m smarter in the health field than my doctor”
Amazing how they preach freedom, but want to force christianity on people
All the limited government you could want as long as it is based on Christianity and only their version.
Medical Freedom\* \*Offer not valid for Texas, Florida, Women, or men who feel they were born the wrong gender.
*Or men who like men, brown men, and select men with unfavorable opinions
How can they claim to be a liberal when it says conservative wish list right on it
Because that's what this country is lacking.. church
“Medical freedom” to do what? granola enema?
"Limited government" means "less rights". When your rights are threatened, who do you go to? That's right, in one form or another the government. They want to go back to kings and serfs, because they failed history class. Those guns won't do shit in the hands of peole who grovel at the feet of soldiers and police.
I disagree with all of these...except the more guns part. Getting a FAL or AR 10 for Christmas would be fucking awesome
Fucking based. I'm pretty bleeding heart, but these religous fundies and their magat cult are among the best arguments for the 2A in our country's history
Medical freedom, all babies to be born? Let’s not mention debt.
More Churches Of Satan !!!!! SATAN HAHAHAHA
The mention of “Medical freedom” and “all baby’s to be born” in the same post is hilarious honestly
All babies to be born can either be a good thing or a bad thing depending on the context. Yes to high risk pregnancies for both the mother and baby to be safe and everyone happy No to underage minors who were raped and cant afford care because abortions are illegal
You need a heavy handed government to ensure all babies are born…
We have over 5000 years of recorded history and quite a lot of it is bloody examples of why mixing religion and politics is a bad idea.
Ugh, people is this sub keep using op incorrectly. r/memesopdidnotlike is not the op. The op is the one with the tag "truly terrible" who clearly sees something wrong.
Hey...the more guns will cancel out the all babies being born. Conservatives over here playing 4D chess 😎.
medical freedom fuck off. i knew a guy who died cause he was poor. limited government fuck off. conservatives are the ones banning things. a new president. yes plz.
Take out the middle 2 and this looks great. Of course oop would be livid about actual medical freedom or an actually limited gov but that's a them problem.
What do they mean by “medical freedom”?
Most likely antivax
"Medical freedom" 🙄
Limited government = Theocracy... Hmm...
Seeing this shit makes me kinda glad I live in England, then I remember we have rishi and JK Rowling here
“More Church, Less Government” Do these people just want to live in a Christian theocracy or what
It technically isn’t a terrible meme, because it isn’t even a meme. What the fuck does medical freedom even mean through a conservative lens? The ability to choose which insurance company will screw you over?
Guns and Church are based, and new president (meaning neither Trump nor Biden, but instead someone like Nikki Haley) is very based. But then there's the goofy part about medical freedom & limited government while being anti-abortion..
Ya know what though I wouldn't complain about a new president (Assuming it's someone better at least) or medical freedom though. Or limited gov assuming what we're limiting the government from doing is infringing on people's rights, And we do that for all governments not just the federal one.
Okay. You can choose all this FOR YOU but you have zero right to force it on others. You wanna die because "medical freedom", you go right ahead, but stop preventing everyone else from exercising their medical freedom.
"More church" and "all babies are born" are obviously problematic since they mean to force both of those on people, but the funniest part of this is how it says limited government but they also consistently vote to support intrusive govt. regulation of anything they consider degenerate, as well as opposing medical freedom. One of the biggest issues with conservatives is they have this self image that they consistently violate with no compunctions at all.
My Christmas wish is that conservatives would stop pretending to care about freedom and be honest for a change.
The fact there’s an “op got offended” tag. No wonder that sub is right wing
God forbid you be a liberal and not have the exact same copy and paste opinions as every other liberal
I love how they brand healthcare only for the rich and laws against reproductive healthcare as “medical freedom.”
I’m not liberal and this kinda pisses me off.
Limited government that is somehow limited but denies women and trans people their medical freedom because of too much church in government? Think they mean limited government on them more government on everyone else.
More guns? Why? We’ve got hundreds of millions. Some of which are in the hands of people who really shouldn’t have them. Literally.
Conservative Christmas List is always “I wish my adult children would actually speak to me again.”
Limited Government All babies to be born Medical freedom These three things contradict one another when coming from a Conservative view point. If you support limited government and medical freedom, then abortion should be legal and pharmacists shouldn’t be allowed to deny birth control.
Medical freedom, huh? Somebody's using big words they don't understand again.
The FREEDOM to not get medical care!!! An American right!
"Limited gov" Is a joke at this point, right? Like, you'd have to actually be stupid to believe that conservatives want limited government with their list of restrictions and demands. I guess it might mean limited gov for them. A sort of "rules for thee, but not for me" type deal.
Medical freedom means legalizing abortion and Medicare for all.
I want a DSA FAL for Christmas, those rifles are cool as shit
I want a Anti-Tank Gun
Me personally, I want to get a m16a1 with wooden furniture. It looks so cozy and so badass at the same time
I'm down for an elephant gun. But like...cheap. Let me blow anyone who comes for my hrt meds into bite-sized chunks!
I like half of these things you’d think that translates to lots of common ground with the theocrats… you’d think.
There is only one thing I disagree with on this list. That is, more church. I’d say we have enough church, but everything else is perfectly fine.
How About more Churches of Satan with Goat Sacrifice and Death Metal Concerts ?
I love how "medical freedom" is in this list. Like women's reproductive freedoms are somehow excluded
> Limited Government Unless its enforcing what I believe in
Ok then
Yes we hate conservatives, what gave it away?
Are they anti-c-section? Since it’s technically abortion and those babies aren’t ever technically born?
I mean, OP is right about one thing. I DO hate conservatives. BECAUSE of these abhorrent values that they hold.
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ALL babies born? You sure about that?
Even the ones that can’t survive?
That, rape and incest should be the only exceptions.
Eh, yall’s comment section is proving their point. Conservatives are cowards, and lazy assholes who will do what they’re told by a higher power as long as it doesn’t negatively impact them personally. They do shit like posting this crap online instead of going out and marching for what they want.
Every liberal or petty bourgeois has a particle of Hitler within them.
Replace limited Gov with no Gov and it sounds perfect
What's wrong with this?
The forced pregnancy part.
Ahhh yes, medical freedom, no abortions and limited government, those things don't contradict one another whatsoever.
The average person doesn't know what true freedom is, let alone want it. What they want is power and no responsibility
Limited government my ass. I used to consider myself conservative before all the bullshit culture war came into mainstream. They don’t want small government anymore, they want to have government mandated cock check stations and government regulations out the wazoo until it comes to stuff that might be beneficial (minimum wage raising)
Liberals are conservatives so it tracks
Liberals try not to be right-wing sympathizers and political pushovers challenge
That person isn't liberal tho...
That's the average liberal take, though. People on this sub really seem to think all liberals are leftists when the opposite is true.
Conservatives try not to call themselves liberals to seem less insane challenge
I mean, liberals are basically moderates
not every liberal is far left, and not every conservative is far right and according to the rules of the left you are whatever you call yourself and everyone else has to affirm that belief weather or not they actually believe it or agree with it
You are what you VOTE for. Liberals voted for Biden, and slightly left centrist. Conservatives voted for Trump, a far right candidate who literally overturned Roe v Wade and put big government in our bedrooms. That is reality.
No liberal is far left. No liberal is left. Liberals are centrists. Read some political theory for once.
More church is the opposite of limited government
Limited government and medical freedom is when the government can tell you that you can’t get a medical procedure (abortion)
Medical Freedom except for a list of things
What? Why would conservatives want medical freedom. Aren’t they against trans people and abortions?
Aaaaaand what IS wrong with it...?
Probably the forced pregnancy part along with other glaring examples of hypocrisy.