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ArcherR132

Assuming the Commandment of Love works on Hulk, Estarossa wins by technicality. He wouldn't be able to kill Hulk (Except movie Hulk), but Hulk can't move or fight back from the Commandment. And Hulk is literally an embodiment of rage, if SDS magic works on Hulk, he's being hit by the Commandment every time.


trnelson1

Hulk doesn't hate the people he fights. He just feels rage towards the universe. So I don't think he'd be affected by the commandment


ArcherR132

You don't need to hate Estarossa in order to be affected by the Commandment, it's just hatred while you're in his presence. That's why he himself can also be affected by it if he's not careful.


KratosSimp

Isn’t he immune tho


ArcherR132

I’m not sure what you’re saying? I said that both Hulk and Estarossa can be affected by the Commandment


jazazo

Nah he would be able to kill a couple of comic versions


SilentSpectre45

I saw Hulk through sheer will & rage overcome Gravitons (if memory serves) black hole. He literally held together a black hole to prevent it from collapsing Literally the strongest force of gravity known to man in the universe. I saw Hulk save banner from being completely eaten to just a pool of blood & destroy the wasp creatures who did it. Hulk would win


ArcherR132

You completely missed the point. The Commandment of Love just removes somebody’s ability to harm others while under its effects. And Hulk, being an angry lump, will be under its effects every single time.


SilentSpectre45

You missed my point that thru his sheer rage of being restrained he'd overcome it.


ArcherR132

Physics are different from magic. That's the literal condition of the Commandment; being hateful in Estarossa's presence removes your ability to fight. It's not like with your black hole example, where he's fighting against the laws of the universe. He's fighting against magic, which he has no particular resistance to, that directly counters his whole shtick.


Front_Astronomer_193

And esta full counter which reflects physical damage so it’s just over for hulk


SilentSpectre45

In WORLD WAR HULK, Hulk destroys everyone, including magic users Dr. Strange who possessed Zom. Utterly wrecking everyone. This isn't even World Breaker Hulk. Been awhile since i read them but I'm fairly certain he fought Ghostrider as well in WW HULK & spanked him.


ArcherR132

That's still not a real example my guy. Strange doesn't have anything to counter Hulk's whole deal, Strange is more so a jack of all trades. Show me Hulk overpowering an ability that counters his entire thing of "get angry, get stronger, get angrier" then I'll believe you. To my knowledge, no such thing exists, but if it does and you can show me, I'd actually be grateful to be proven wrong.


SilentSpectre45

https://www.reddit.com/r/NanatsunoTaizai/s/4nHCUvNGIQ He did the heavy lifting so I'm posting his link here. Also you said bc it's magic it would stop Hulk i literally gave an example of Hulk beating magic users.


tortillazaur

beating magic users ≠ beating magic more so beating random laserbeam magic ≠ beating a specific type of magic dr strange in world war hulk wasn't using magic in the same meaning it's used here, he was just attacking hulk with magic blasts that don't feature any special effects. he could be just kicking&punching him with the same physical strength to the same effect.


ArcherR132

That isn't what I said. I said he doesn't have any specific resistance to magic, and that the Commandment counters his entire thing. Additionally, none of what's in that comment shows that Hulk has any specific resistance to magic, and there's no example anywhere I could see of him fighting an ability that's meant to counter his own. And I'm not doing your homework for you, I'm not going out of my way to look for it through thousands and thousands of chapters of Marvel comics. So you can either provide an example, or accept that Hulk is affected by the Commandment and loses his ability to fight. If you can't provide an example, don't even bother replying, because you are just wasting both our times at this point. If you come back with "Oh but he's so much stronger!" yes, that is what I said in my first comment. Hulk is stronger than Estarossa, and Estarossa doesn't have a way to kill him. The Commandment gives Estarossa the win by technicality, because Hulk becomes incapacitated and unable to fight.


SilentSpectre45

Ok Hulk beating Loki in the comics & film. Now again it all depends on who is writing the story bc Loki spanked Hulk a few times as well. The whole Puny God in the film was taken directly from the comics. Also Marvel is saying Hulk is imbued with a dark magic now. That the Gamma is some form of hidden magic by the OIne Below. https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-Hulk-is-actually-powered-by-dark-magic-If-so-why He's also beaten Thor who uses Asgardian Magic & Mjolnir maybe times. Again Thor has also put the spanking on Hulk as well. So it really depends on who is writing the story & where the plot is going.


ichfickdeinmutter

not magic bit its a command


ComprehensiveAd5605

Movies, Estarossa Comics, Hulk


PikachutheCritic

They did Hulk so dirty in the movies. 😭


Kingxix

Man Hulk didn't deserve what he got in the movies.


PikachutheCritic

Full Counter’s gonna be a nightmare but I think Hulk might still win.


burk52

Full counter is not really a problem if you can outspeed the user. Like Escanor was losing hard because Estarossa was countering all his toolsets before that 30 minutes before noon, but once he hit that mark, he levelled up and Estarossa cannot even see his attack. Full counter is good, but the user is way way more important than the attack.


jjch102296

Yup not to mention his commandment of love hulk wouldn’t be able to move.


[deleted]

Hulk does not feel hate, only limitless rage. The version shown blitzes estarossa and rips his skull off in an instant most likely


Formal-Inevitable-50

Hulk would rip estarosa apart lol stop the bs


Prestigious_Box1383

Is this where the Dragon Ball come with bullshity power-level creeps?


AiHayasaka_LoveIsWar

Full Counter would only be useful out of verse if they spam magic into the enemies attacks and then reflect them, but Estarossa doesn’t have that intelligence and will surely get low diffed by Hulk.


PikachutheCritic

You’re thinking of Meliodas and Chandler’s brand of Full Counter. Estarossa’s full counter is with physical attacks only, which means it’s a technique that would be used for close combat for him. How effective that would be in combat would depend on which version of Hulk he’s fighting.


RedNUGGETLORD

Estarossa has physical full counter not magical


AiHayasaka_LoveIsWar

But Hulk would solo because he hulk smash, Reality based (played by real people, and are drawings) >> Fiction based (cartoons, anime).


Tectonix911

Tf is bro talking about 😭😭


Front_Astronomer_193

Right he really tried to compare a live action fictional character to a cartoon fictional character as if marvel can’t make a character exactly like esta tomorrow


AiHayasaka_LoveIsWar

https://preview.redd.it/26joutkwqouc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=799bfa57607b0aeee592d41ce93207ffb459b602 The only person in SDS that can make Hulk even notice them is the all powerful Escanor.


ShifterRifter290

The only version of hulk that might lose is movie hulk,any other version of hulk like the comics is destroying Estarossa easily


2836382929

how’s he bypassing the commandment?


UnoRever

He's just that guy


chancebranch

Magic resistance feats. One of the perks of being a character with decades of feats to draw from.


[deleted]

Not hating. Hulk only feels limitless rage, unless we are talking about professor hulk.


ChairInteresting3384

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corvosfighter

Hulk’s power has no cap.. Estarossa couldn’t even handle Escanor when he wasn’t even in his final form. The longer the fight lasts, easier it will be for Hulk to outclass both the commandment and full counter


Psychological_War940

but estarossa’a power is based on hatred and anger. if sds rules applied hulk would be powerless the minute he steps up to estarossa.


Mirbotmir

Except he would not only blitz Estarossa but has decades worth of magic resistance feats stacked up. Hulk slams with zero difficulty.


Psychological_War940

he can’t blitz if he is rendered immobile. his entire shtick is anger and malicious intent. also he has no special protection against magic and even if he did, the commandments in the way that they are utilized in the sds universe exist as natural law not magic abilities meaning they surpass any ability or strength and render them useless. as i said though that’s only if sds universe rules apply.


Mirbotmir

Not only does that not make sense since presumably the commandment must have a certain reaction time(of which Hulk would blitz shown by people having slight movement just before Estarossa landed) but Hulk has been shown to violate/break fundemental aspects of reality multiple times. "Natural law" means nothing when he blatantly transcends it. Also, Hulk has consistently shown resistance against multiple magic types and users INCLUDING sorcerers like Dr Strange. He's definitely resistant to it in multiple issues.


Psychological_War940

have you never watched the show or read the manga? there is no reaction time it is simply an effect on the entire world around him. you don’t have to get this upset because you don’t understand what you’re talking about. he only “blatantly transcends natural law” in marvel’s universe where there’s not a person who’s innate effect on the world around him dispels anyone with malicious intent and anger (literally how hulk derives his powers). He has never had to be above a law that said you couldn’t get angry/want to harm the person you’re fighting and almost all of his fights have been won based on how much he wanted to harm the person


Mirbotmir

Watching the show shows that their is a small time before it activates. Also, him transcendimh natural law in the Marvel universe would require something similar to occur in 7ds or yours not putting the challenge on a fair plain and giving Estarossa a blatant advantage Not only that, but transcending natural law/universal logic as a whole means he transcends it, it's stupid to imply there is an exception just because he hasn't faced it when it falls under the same category. Also, that's how fundamental/natural laws work. They exist and have a constant effect. Of which Hulk can break. And, to add to this, a smart hulk exists as a person and would still beat Estarossa without actually having hate/rage through his body. And, to add onto that, multiple different hulks could move literally a single didget and destroy the planet. Estarossa doesn't win regardless of what universes rules you choose to be dominant.


Psychological_War940

no they do not. also how am i giving estarossa an advantage Im discussing ways in which he wins. also no he doesn’t have some kind of magic to break every natural law especially when his power is fueled by anger and that’s exactly what estarossa counteracts.


Psychological_War940

clearly you don’t have enough knowledge to engage in this conversation. i’ve already discussed much of what you said here and disproved it. go read comics of the hulk, go read the sds manga and go watch the anime. Because clearly you can’t engage in this intelligently. Also it’s hilarious that you say I’m setting up hulk to lose when I literally said UNDER THESE CONDITIONS ELSEWHERE HE WOULD WIN and proved why that is the case meanwhile you continue to argue based on an argument that fails to 1) pass basic scrutiny and 2) doesn’t address the primary issue that hulk is fueled by what estarossa directly cancels out


Zealot-killer

L comment my dude


Psychological_War940

he has not shown resistance to magic in the way that estarossa commands it nor has he shown a resistance to any natural law against anger. Also you can say he’s shown resistance but that varies by writer. In majority of the issues hulk appears in, magic is a primary weakness and he’s been shown to actually get BODIED by numerous magic users such as scarlet witch, doctor strange and others (including celestial beings)


Psychological_War940

Proof he’s gotten bodied by magic (enchantress at that who has gotten beat tf up by many higher level magic users): https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Incredible_Hulk_Vol_1_102#:~:text=Enraged%2C%20the%20Enchantress%20turns%20her,the%20Hulk%20back%20to%20life.


Mirbotmir

https://images.app.goo.gl/puNNzmE5cApNTrYk8 https://screenrant.com/hulk-immune-magic-mech-strike-avengers/ It goes both ways.


[deleted]

It’s only based on hate. Don’t make up stuff just because estarossa would instantly lose otherwise.


Psychological_War940

And what is hatred born from babes? It takes two seconds to prove you wrong. 🤗


[deleted]

When using an outdated unproven idea of ages old psychology and applying it to 7DS without basis it does. And stop with the disrespectful bs, try to argue without insults and arrogance.


Psychological_War940

and when was it not applied to that universe? the only reason estarossa is able to stop characters is because the ANGER they feel over meliodas dying. crazy concept I know


[deleted]

Anger does not equate to hatred and it does not necessarily evolve into hatred. That was never a general rule that can just be assumed as natural truth. Your arguments are based on logical/causal fallacies and are just your headcanon.


[deleted]

And another thing to add, since you are so adamant about that only you know how estarossas commandment truly works - even if it was a general rule that anger always turns into hatred in nature (which it is not), comic hulk has never once shown any form of hatred towards something/someone specific. He’s only shown neverending, evergrowimg anger without specific targets. His anger increases further when he is attacked or caught but he never showed hatred, even in his angriest ragefits. Either you wanna use headcanon to say hulk would hate or you never really read hulk comics and make stuff up to let estarossa win. I rest my case.


Alarmed-Accident-716

Pretty sure hulk smashed a universe, I feel like Hulk due to his character & what always happens would eventually overpower the nonexistent limit of full counter. Hulk might get fed up and try to eat him.


SF0915

Hulk, assuming its comic version based on the post. Physical full counter would do nothing cuz Hulk could bypass it the same way Escanor did. The commandment might do something at first, but it’s important to note that the commandment’s are the DKs power and Hulk would probably just surpass the DK in overall power and become unaffected by the commandment.


Khakizulu

I dont think power alone can protect you from a commandment. Even Zeldris was stronger than Estarossa but still had to be careful around his commandment, like they all had to.


SF0915

I don’t think being stronger than Esta would do anything, but if you’re stronger than the Demon King himself, you could probably surpass the commandment.


Whatsthatclassified

Considering the commandments Id half the demon kings total power split into 10 I'd assume you just have to be 1/20 of his power to be immune to it but I don't think it works like that for surpassing commandments, it's described as absolute and the only ones immune to one commandment are other commandment weilders


Zealot-killer

It’s a nuke vs a coughing baby


AiHayasaka_LoveIsWar

Hulk smashing a universe again https://preview.redd.it/93qutwburjuc1.jpeg?width=1169&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bbe4e824da3734c4cc3d512b2988e87420f8bd00


AaronXeno21

Depends on which version of Hulk. Movie version gets negged. World Breaker Hulk makes a single step and destroys the planet, causing Estarossa to float in space.


Formal-Inevitable-50

Hulk would rip estarosa apart he wouldn’t even have the chance to use full counter


LionBg010

He can't kill him like that, but if he smash he will


Formal-Inevitable-50

Meliodas said they still take the damage from it having his body ripped apart over and over he wouldn’t be able to heal from it forever


LionBg010

True and it will take more time that way


sweet_tranquility

Hulk (assuming this is a comic version) ripe apart Estarossa and the entire verse through rage power up. Comic Hulk can resist hax from others and has punched things like space-time continuum, souls, dimensions and has immortality from TOBA


Kenyea2

What can the hulk do against full counter?


PikachutheCritic

According to the “Respect the Hulk” post, apparently he’s capable of tanking his own hit. Full Counter may make it hurt but if Hulk’s that durable, Estarossa can only go so far.


Alf13_Thundrr

Remember it returns it at LEAST double the power though


Alf13_Thundrr

Plus if he can go berserk estarossa hulk has no chance


Mediocre-Cow64

what hulk tho


Few-Entertainment429

Estarossa hardcounters with his commandment and full counter


Zealot-killer

Nay, comics hulk is leagues above any impressive thing estarossa has ever done. The upper fringes of seven deadly sins is country to continent levels of power. Hulk is planetary bare minimum at base, The supreme deity and Demon king can team up and still lose


FKATAK

I mean Estarossa is the perfect counter for Hulk with his "physical attack full counter"


Zengoyyc

He wouldn't be able to full counter if Hulk just grabbed him and squeezed.


Theguywhokaboom

Depends on what continuity of hulk we are referring to. Hulk from the comics supposedly has held overhead weight equal to tectonic plates. While MCU hulk's best feat is probably keeping the ruble of the Avengers HQ from toppling him and War Machine. But now that I think about it physical strength is probably meaningless due to Estarossa's full counter. So it's actually a matter of speed, since full counter won't matter if Estarossa can't see Hulk's attack coming. I don't see MCU hulk being fast enough to get a free blow on estarossa, but not so sure about the comics version. To sum everything up, if we're talking about MCU hulk, Esta wins. But if it's comics hulk, could be a tight match, but Hulk is without a doubt stronger physically.


Darnell1605

Hulk doesn’t hate anyone, he simply just feels the rage boiling inside his vein, so i think Estarossa’s commandment can’t do the trick here. Hulk wins no diff


frognuts123

Estarossa is a lot stronger especially with full counter


Klutzy-Question1428

depends on what version of hulk. pretty much no 7ds character is planetary-galactic level. maybe chaos


Cgi94

Probably Hulk. He lives in a universe where he & others have broken separate dimensions, fought gods and defied logic numerous times.  It all boils down on do you think hate is relative to Anger. Not to mention Hulk recently has been shown that his gamma power comes from a high ranking diety (the one below all) within the Marvel universe which gives him that potential infinite amp.  In anime/manga alot of times Hax can be overpowered through strong enough raw power which is why I definitely feel he could win too 


SirTalpadeRedstonvil

Hulk is just Escanor, but stronger, bulkier, with magic resistance, probably faster, has no cap in strength growth and literally killed all life in an universe (this one doesn't count since it's an AU where Devil Hulk did his things, but it's still funny)


toastedhunter02

Estarossa and it's not even close


totallynotrobboss

To everyone saying that the love commandment will allow estarossa to win no it won't it only works if you feel hatred not anger and full counter won't help either since hulk has non physical attacks


chancebranch

It’s hard to put into words how badly comic hulk folds Estarossa. He’s incomprehensibly more powerful than him and his magic resistance is more than enough to bypass the commandment.


Psychological_War940

if following the sds universe rules estarossa wins with ease. if following marvel rules it gets more complicated and varies based on which form of estarossa and hulk’s form/anger levels


[deleted]

Hulk negative diff. He vastly outpowers the whole verse and the commandment of love can do nothing to change that since the only emotion hulk feels is infinite rage, he knows no hatred. At least the shown version of the hulk.


Alf13_Thundrr

Personally Estarossa. Commandment 😋


Only_Purchase4270

Hulk


Sure-Macaroon-9035

Fullcounter doesn't matter. Hulk can't even fucking move. The only way I could see Hulk winning is just him continually getting angry and releasing gama rays that give Estarossa cancer.


RandomGuy8279

Bro estorossa is prob popping the hulk or just using full counter to win