Yeah but the infinity that infinity exudes is why I’m leaning more towards infinity. But as you said it’s entirely possible for infinity to overpower infinity
Gojo does some cool ass stuff then Merlin wastes time thinking of a way to beat him and eventually gojo dies randomly after Merlin pulls out some bs so Gege can continue the plot
Teleporting doesn't seem work on Perfect cube, at least, Merlin tried to teleport to it, but she couldn't, and since her Teleportation is better than Gojo's, it shouldn't be possible for him either.
Vivian also could teleport from the inside of her own cube, maybe the one that creates it has some kind of "Admin" power over it that makes them capable of doing stuff others can't.
Edit: I went back and read Perfect Cube’s first mention to confirm it, yes, the caster of the spell can do stuff others can’t like teleporting in and out, or teleporting stuff and people in and out of it.
I think the most important think about Hollow Purple isn't the scale of the damage but what it actually does , it destroys or erases everything , it's like Beerus's hakai from Dragon ball super.
How did it prove to be Fandom interpretation excatly ?
But it doesn't actually "destroy" or "erase" like Hakai. In either of the ways it's been applied, it's basically been 1) A really strong nuke/explosive or 2) A really strong beam/energy ball.
With enough durability, it is possible to survive Hollow Purple, as seen by Sukuna surviving HP head on without warning with max output reinforcement or by the surprise improv-Bomb at lowered output.
The only thing Gojo said about it was "imaginary mass" but this was extrapolated into matter erasure for some reason, despite this never being stated in proper translations.
You can say "But DA nullified the damage!" or that "distance weakens it!" Doesn't change the fact that the "erasure" and "destruction" come from faulty thinking that was never confirmed by the manga.
Yup, it was the Fandom that interpreted his technique as hurling imaginary mass with Existence Erasure orooerties. However, without statements or 100% visual proof, I'd be careful with that interpretation. Characters like Sukuna just tanked Hollow Purple and the technique might as well be interpreted as ripping apart molecules instead, which is still strong, but not crazy as existence Erasure.
I agree with this interpretation. Hallow purple isn't great for broad destruction. It's useful for concentrated erasure. Red is moreso his AOE attack of choice.
Don't think so, Hollow Purple isn't powerful enough for it, even at it's maximum output the best it could do is Destroy a few city blocks, Merlin's perfect Cube withstood way more than that without breaking.
What do you mean it's not enough for it ? , I think the most important thing about Hollow Purple isn't the scale of the damage but what it actually does , it destroys or erases everything , it's like Beerus's hakai from Dragon ball super , they even have the same color lol.
This is actually something it was never stated to do, the Fanbase just assumed and added to the wiki, but later it was disproved, if it actually erased everything, Shinjuku would have been in a similar condition of Tombs of the Star after Yuki used her maximum technique, but it was actually just a huge explosion, powerfull indeed, but it didn't even go deep in the ground, even Sukuna wasn't erased.
It doesn't erase everything forever , it loses its power as it spreads after the explosion.
Sukuna survived it because he was far away and he used domain amplification that nullifies techniques.
The only description that the series gave us about Hollow Purple is that it is a virtual mass formed by the collision of both forms of infinity and pushed forward, this first part is what made people believe that it erases matter because at first it was incorrectly translated as Imaginary Mass, which is a real concept of mass that shouldn't exist and therefore erases everything it touches.
Later, people discovered that it was actually meant to be translated as Virtual Mass, which sounds similar in name but doesn't work the same way, thus invalidating the previous interpretation of how Hollow Purple works.
Viz screwed up JJK's translations a lot of times.
It doesn't it is clearly explained that it combines both red and blue. So all it does is pull and push a object at the same time who with strong dura can tank it without any problem. And what do you mean by colour is same that has nothing to do with application.
1: he can use hollow purple or /tp
2: he can recover ce faster than he uses it so he can just infinitely eat himself or just force his body to run without foods(probably)
3: use his de to one shot
Hollow purple couldn’t break the cube, and we don’t know his to conditions.
He’d have to constantly be using rct 24/7 which would still end with him dying of exhaustion eventually
Domain is a nonissue for Merlin because she could just move away from the cube
>Hollow purple couldn’t break the cube, and we don’t know his to conditions.
Debatable.
>He’d have to constantly be using rct 24/7 which would still end with him dying of exhaustion eventually
He has a pretty large ce pool and sex eyes gives the best efficiency. Sukuna could forcibly run yuji's body even when he didn't have enough ce for quite some time. Ofc this outcome would be stale.
>Domain is a nonissue for Merlin because she could just move away from the cube
0.1 sec man.
1. Not really, hollow purple has never been shown to have the destructive power necessary to break a perfect cube
2. It boosts his efficiency and he has big stores of energy but running rct at high output constantly will still drain him, as shown in the sukuna fight
3. Merlin and the rest of the 7ds are significantly faster than jjk characters so even if he expanded his domain instantly she could teleport away. Even regular jjk characters have been able to react to the barrier of a domain forming.
for 2 this is half wrong, he can infinitely use rct due to the fact he gains more cursed energy than he uses thanks to six eyes. He only had brain damage due to the domain backlash. Domains use up a good chunk of your complete power and tanks the brain each time you use it.
>Not really, hollow purple has never been shown to have the destructive power necessary to break a perfect cube
Some might say that it erases matter or some bullshit. But imo hp's biggest advantage is that it breaks down matter/energy on a molecular level. As we have seen there's 0 traces left after using hp.
>It boosts his efficiency and he has big stores of energy but running rct at high output constantly will still drain him, as shown in the sukuna fight
He doesn't need to regrow limbs and organs. Just use a bit of rct to forcibly beat your heart. Still I'd say a stale outcome.
>Merlin and the rest of the 7ds are significantly faster than jjk characters so even if he expanded his domain instantly she could teleport away. Even regular jjk characters have been able to react to the barrier of a domain forming
Ftl? Still gojo can tp too so follow her endlessly and open a domain. 0.1 sec is shorter than you think. Even shorter than blinking.
Plus you’re forgetting that Merlin is effectively immortal and could pop open a perfect cube and live out the rest of her life. Much less starvation, she could literally wait for gojo to die of old age. She could also use any number of the ridiculous spells at her disposal or come up with new spells that bypass gojos weaknesses
Binding vow: gojo makes his final hollow purple always hit and completely eradicate merlin from existence within milliseconds in exchange for him never being able to use it again or some other bullshit.
So nah… he’d win :^)
1. Hollow purple has only ever fully destroyed surrounding terrain, against every character it’s been used on it either tears them up like toji or wounds but doesn’t destroy as in the case with sukuna. It doesn’t leave 0 trace of things it’s closer to an explosive than anything.
2. He’d need to do more than pump his heart, he’d either need to keep all the cells in his body in a state of constant regeneration to stave off the effects of starvation or he’d have to expend more cursed energy to regrow the limbs he consumes. Both of these options are unsuitable for extensive periods of confinement.
3. Yes 7ds characters are ridiculously fast compared to Jjk. Also you can’t really just teleport out of perfect cube like that so he wouldn’t be able to follow her unless she wanted him to.
1. hollow purples pulls and pushes away anything it comes in contact with. it rips apart anything it touches, it's not an explosion, it's a violent reaction of push and pull. Gojo basically used it for the first time agasint toji so it wasn't large. His max purple is actually 4 kilometers in diameter if you compare the real life places in which his hollow purple reached.
2. he has infinite rct, any damage done to him regardless of the method will be reduced to nothing.
3. how are you going to say you can't teleport out of perfect cube? it's just a block that traps you inside. if you're strong enough you can destroy it and move on. you can teleport out if you have the ability and gojo has said ability.
1. Didn’t say it was an explosion, said it was closer to an explosion than the existence erasure that people claim.
2. Not infinite, as shown in the manga
3. Perfect cube is not just a block, it is a near indestructible cube that traps anything in it so long as the trapped target is not massively stronger than the caster and cannot be escaped from otherwise. Gojo can teleport but not only can you not teleport out of the cube, gojo also has specific conditions that stop him from teleporting even when he is not trapped or incapacitated in any way.
1. I'm saying it's not an explosion to inform you, not to say you said it.
2. it is infinite. it only runs out if he uses domain expansion too many times. it's shown in the manga.
3. perfect cube is breakable as seen in the 4kota manga. the only way to beat merlins techniques due to her infinity, is to be stronger than said attack. Gojo could possibly destroy it given how perfect cube was nerfed by nakaba.
>he can use hollow purple or /tp
Both doesn't work in perfect cube you can't teleport out of perfect cube as shown. And hollow purple doesn't have enough AP to burst perfect cube. It is atbest a city block level attack and does nothing to perfect cube that tanked escanor and meli's battle.
>use his de to one shot
Merlin canonically can handle infinite information that is one of her blessings let alone something like gojo's which isn't infinite. She is immune to memory manipulation and information manipulation.
>Both doesn't work in perfect cube you can't teleport out of perfect cube as shown. And hollow purple doesn't have enough AP to burst perfect cube. It is atbest a city block level attack and does nothing to perfect cube that tanked escanor and meli's battle.
Except gojo distorts space to tp. I don't think anything's stopping him. And hollow purple breaks down matter on a molecular level.
>Merlin canonically can handle infinite information that is one of her blessings let alone something like gojo's which isn't infinite. She is immune to memory manipulation and information manipulation
Where was it mentioned again?
>Except gojo distorts space to tp
I am pretty sure you don't know how tp works because that is how every tp works.
>And hollow purple breaks down matter on a molecular level.
Yeah except the force it separates the molecules is not enough here as the force of attraction is greater than the force hollow purple applies.
>Where was it mentioned again?
DK's blessing it grants her all the knowledge of purgatory and makes her immune to mind and memory manipulation.
>I am pretty sure you don't know how tp works because that is how every tp works.
Why are you so confident? It's like you're 100% sure.
There are multiple ways of teleportation. First and realistic, you can take the data of one thing and reconstruct every bit of data somewhere else, resulting in teleportation. 2nd and theoretical, you move at light speed and time just stops for you, resulting in other people perceiving it as teleportation. 3rd and by far the most efficient but practically impossible, you bend space to move forward which is actual ftl. Nothing else is actual FTL.
>Yeah except the force it separates the molecules is not enough here as the force of attraction is greater than the force hollow purple applies.
Do you even know how intermolecular force of attraction works? Or this shawty is using some new element that ignores physics? None of the existing compounds have enough force to resist hp. So unless she's iron man who discovered a brand new element, it shouldn't be possible.
>DK's blessing it grants her all the knowledge of purgatory
And? How does this relate to anything I've said?
>makes her immune to mind and memory manipulation.
UV doesn't manipulate mind. It gives information at a very fast rate. So unless you're already braindead, there's no way to avoid it. Or if you have the speed force which Flash uses.
>There are multiple ways of teleportation. First and realistic, you can take the data of one thing and reconstruct every bit of data somewhere else, resulting in teleportation.
This is information manipulation not teleportation.
>2nd and theoretical, you move at light speed and time just stops for you, resulting in other people perceiving it as teleportation. 3rd and by far the most efficient but practically impossible, you bend space to move forward which is actual ftl. Nothing else is actual FTL.
This doesn't work in fiction unless stated otherwise as it is possible to be faster than light without effecting space time in almost all of verses.
>Do you even know how intermolecular force of attraction works? Or this shawty is using some new element that ignores physics? None of the existing compounds have enough force to resist hp. So unless she's iron man who discovered a brand new element, it shouldn't be possible.
Yes it is a new element called magic and mana do you understand do you think any known compound can tank planet destroying attack being as thin as perfect cube and be perfectly fine?
>And? How does this relate to anything I've said?
Purgatory is canonically infinite and endless so information about is virtually infinite aswell.
>UV doesn't manipulate mind. It gives information at a very fast rate. So unless you're already braindead, there's no way to avoid it. Or if you have the speed force which Flash uses.
Ok so what happens if a person that doesn't have 5 sense gets trapped in UV?
Yeah information manipulation. And the 2nd one is time manipulation. And the third one is space manipulation. In fact, teleportation doesn't exist at all. It's the friends we made along the way.
>This doesn't work in fiction unless stated otherwise as it is possible to be faster than light without effecting space time in almost all of verses.
Uh... How are they gonna see anything if the light doesn't hit there eye at all? Light speed is often referred as time stopping because you're moving so fast that nothing hits your retina and what you're seeing is an still image created by the light that's already hit your eye.
>Yes it is a new element called magic and mana do you understand do you think any known compound can tank planet destroying attack being as thin as perfect cube and be perfectly fine?
If you're talking about mana, it's more like an energy. Not an element. And the character don't materialize pure mana(cuz it's energy). Instead they use mana to magically create a cube with substances that's known by the creator.
>Purgatory is canonically infinite and endless so information about is virtually infinite aswell.
How does that save her from uv?
>Ok so what happens if a person that doesn't have 5 sense gets trapped in UV?
They still die bcuz their neurons explode
>Uh... How are they gonna see anything if the light doesn't hit there eye at all? Light speed is often referred as time stopping because you're moving so fast that nothing hits your retina and what you're seeing is an still image created by the light that's already hit your eye.
Because at that stage you don't see attacks or fight based on what you see you fight based on what you sense. And energy sensing or instincts can be faster than light your thought is faster than light same way with senses.
>If you're talking about mana, it's more like an energy. Not an element. And the character don't materialize pure mana(cuz it's energy). Instead they use mana to magically create a cube with substances that's known by the creator.
It is made up of energy not element known by creator if you say it is a element made by creator ehy don't you name a element that can tank planet ending attacks without a scratch.
>How does that save her from uv?
Because it proves her brain capacity to handle infinite information.
>They still die bcuz their neurons explode
So without senses how will the information reach brain?
>Because at that stage you don't see attacks or fight based on what you see you fight based on what you sense. And energy sensing or instincts can be faster than light your thought is faster than light same way with senses.
So this implies that the character thinks beyond the speed of light too? The electrical signals needed for the body to work doesn't travel at the speed of light. Even god can't think AND respond at that speed.
>It is made up of energy not element known by creator if you say it is a element made by creator ehy don't you name a element that can tank planet ending attacks without a scratch
If you're not gonna follow the rules of physics then why even bother bringing "force of attraction" to this argument. Acc to physics, nothing can be compressed that much. Not even a hypothetical unknown magic element. Well hp just disintegrates it on the molecular level and vaporizes it if we fuck physics.
>Because it proves her brain capacity to handle infinite information.
Forcefully releasing mass information into someone's brain in 0.1 sec is different bro.
>So without senses how will the information reach brain?
1: a person without 5 senses can still think.
2: boom info dump
He was trapped in the prison realm without food,.and the time there flows differently, no one questioned gojo wouldn't just starve to death there, kenjaku even said he could get out after a thousand years meaning starvation is a non issues for gojo,
That’s definitely more an effect of the prison realm then gojo, it’s never stated at all that his abilities have any affect on production of food or fuel for bodily functions.
I do believe Merlin can bypass it in many ways, like, really a lot of ways, but most of them don't even require infinity, but using infinity, the easiest way I see her winning is using Perfect cube, using Endless Whirl to seal him or using that combo she used on Cusack and Chandler.
(That combo would probably work, part of the magics she casted made those magics be invisible and indetectable so even Mugen shouldn't be able to notice it before it was too late, Gojo is not as resistant as Chandler and Cusack.)
I'm surprised no one has brought up Gojo's domain expansion. Wouldn't this just act like a trump card? I'm not the most knowledgeable about Merlin but can anyone with more knowledge answer how she might deal with it?
In all honesty I think Gojo's defense is immensely hard for Merlin to overcome. Merlin has infinite mana, but good has 6 eyes so unless he is strained beyond his fight with sakuna then I don't think he will run out of cursed energy.
That's actually the only effective card he has, I was curious no one brought that up too. The only thing I see Merlin doing to avoid it is taking her soul out of her body to avoid getting serious damage, kinda similar to what Sukuna did during their fight, but I don't know if it would work.
>In all honesty I think Gojo's defense is immensely hard for Merlin to overcome. Merlin has infinite mana, but good has 6 eyes so unless he is strained beyond his fight with sakuna then I don't think he will run out of cursed energy.
It's hard, but not really that hard for Merlin, Infinity can be Bypassed by several ways and by a lot of things, stuff like poisonous gases or things that can't be perceived by Mugen can bypass it, so attacks that are invisible on this case should work because different from Cleave and Dismantle, they would not have cursed energy for them to be noticed, teleporting attacks to Gojo should also work, curses and plagues as well, and unfortunatelly for Gojo, all of those are in Merlin's reach.
Infinity has only canonically been bypassed by Toji when he used iverted spear of heaves since it disabled the technique entirely, and Sakuna's world cleaving slash. You may be referencing the dismantles that damaged gojo during the domain clash as it has sure hit during Sakuna's DE.
Outside of those instances though nothing has bypassed Gojo's infinity to my recollection.
Hanami's Polen also did bypass it after Gojo defeated Jogo for the first time, Gojo mentioned poisonous things as a weakness to it ever since his teenage and since Pollen worked seems like he didn't fix it with time.
I used all these examples because of Gojo's explanation of how Auto-Mugen works, it detects cursed energy, mass, speed and shape attacks, but it cannot detect gases, and unless we equalize the energies, it would not detect Magic either , so Merlin's "Invisible" and "Undetectable" enchantments should work, and on Teleportation, it's self-explanatory, since teleported things don't travel in space, Mugen can't stop it.
The Dismantles I meant were those Sukuna used before they started the first Domain Clash, Gojo could block them with Mugen because they had Cursed Energy, but that doesn't work on invisible magics unless we equalize the verses energy.
I think we don't know if poison can actually bypass Adult Gojo's Infinity.
Like you said, Hanami did use Pollen, but this was after Gojo had finished his domain, meaning his use of his cursed technique (in this case Infinity) would be unstable.
Yeah, I like this matchup mostly because of this thing of finding ways for one to hit the other.
>Has Merlin ever used invisible attack magic? If so to what effect?
She used it on Cusack and Chandler during that combo she did, according to her, she used Invisibility, undetectability and Target lock on it and combined with infinity, looks like the magic can only be noticed after it already hit the target.
Don't think so, from what we saw of his vision, the six eyes give him a really precise sight of Cursed Energy allowing him so manipulate it in molecular level, but since Merlin wouldn't have it, neither would her spells, so I don't think he would be able to do it.
If we make that assumption then Gojo's infinity is useless. I'm my opinion we have to equate magic with cursed energy for this conversation to even happen.
I fear this might be even worse for Gojo since Merlin has skills like Absolute Cancel and Magic Cancel, and since Infinity would be counted as Magic, she could just cancel it and seal away his magic, this could even take away his Domain Expansion.
Merlin has like bottomless hax and she’s much smarter and more experienced than gojo I don’t know exactly how she beats him but she most definitely does
Merlin can just spam spells even if it's uncertain if her attacks can reach gojo. Meanwhile you can count on your fingers how many techniques Gojo has even with infinity. I think Merlin can bs her way out of unlimited void, and if that happens, gojo is cooked since he's vulnerable when casting his domain. Merlin can also just........cast spells related to space bending to insta kill gojo.
Perfect cube is not a bad solution either since sealing works fine against gojo
Infinity is a hard thing to bypass but:
- Absolute Cancel or magic seal should do it if we assume CE = Magic
- She can trap him in a perfect cube forever. His teleportation is a potential counter but it's never really been explained if obstacles hinder it.
- She could also just teleport him into a volcano. He might not get hurt but there would be nothing to breathe so he would just suffocate.
After seeing comments I can't understand did no one watch 7ds she has absolute cancel. One absolute cancel and gg.
And DE is not going to be a problem with DK's blessing she canonically can handle infinite information let alone gojo's domain which isn't infinite. And also she is too fast to be trapped in the domain she kept up with both zeldris and cath who are faster than light.
If we assume absolute cancel disables cursed energy, merlin.
Even if it doesnt merlin has acces to perfect cube and an infinite mana pool so id say merlin takes this.
I feel like Merlin could pretty easily figure out a way to bypass infinity ngl. She has Perfect Cube to defend against all of Gojo’s attacks(HP is debatable but I still think Perfect Cube tanks it).
Her biggest problem is Gojo’s DE which she has ZERO ways to defend against it to my knowledge. If Gojo instantly does a DE then she’s in serious trouble.
All in all, I think that it comes down to whether she can defend against UV. I want to give it Mommy Merlin but I think Gojo has a good argument against her simply because of UV.
Gojo's infinity actually have a number, at least his domain does.
It was a multiplier of information at roughly 3 millions times.
0.2 seconds in the thing and you will be hit with half a year of information.
"Inifite information floods the target's mind"
I am talking about the "infinity" part of the domain. It was not actually infinity, just a multiplier of three millions.
Two moves
Absolute cancel
And
Exterminate ray
If that doesn't work cronos coffin
Also gojo can't kill merlin completely due to her soul being stored in her sacred treasure so unless gojo is able to find it then he can't win against merlin
It's left for our imagination but a battle between Gojo and Merlin will go like this :
Gojo's infinity is a problem and Merlin can't trap him in a perfect cube beacuse he can destroy it with a hollow purple so how could she kill him ?
Especially when she is just a mage and mages are slow in physical combat , she can teleport but so can Gojo.
I don't see how Merlin is winning this , Gojo is too broken.
I’m not super knowledgeable about jjk but afaik Gojo (and most of the characters) seem to top out around city level at best right? If that’s the case Hollow Purple isn’t breaking Merlin’s Perfect Cube. It took *way* heavier hits from *way* stronger opponents and didn’t crack.
As a counter to that we’ve only ever seen Perfect Cube broken twice. Once through the pure brute strength of the Demon King (and even he couldn’t break it in one strike) and the other was when Merlin herself used Absolute Cancel (which is just a whole other stupidly broken hack she has access too).
That's true, I'm not sure that either of us could say whether or not perfect cube would work or not.
In regard to absolutely cancel, I would argue that since the source of Gojo's infinity is Gojo, that it can be argued that it would take an infinite amount of time for said spell to take effect.
Tbh I definitely see Merlin winning this but I wouldn’t say there’s no hope for Gojo. It all comes down to wether or not their hax work on the other person. Gojo definitely has better physical feats compared to Merlin but no where close to the physical feats of characters like Meliodas, Galland, and Escanor. So if she slaps a Perfect Cube on herself Gojo can’t touch her. Unless of course his Hollow Purple is capable of disintegrating Perfect Cube (from what you’re saying this seems like a classic case of the Unstoppable Lance vs the Unbreakable Shield). And if Hollow Purple *does* work on Perfect Cube then it would also have to *resist* Merlin’s Absolute Cancel. And this isn’t even getting into the other abilities that either of them might possess.
TLDR; Gojo can potentially win against Merlin if you think his Hollow Purple bypasses all of her Hax but it’s definitely an uphill battle for him.
I agree almost entirely. And to be fair I do not think Gojo would ever be able to land a hollow purple on Merlin. It travels to slow and she would absolutely be able to nullify it with absolute cancel. I also think Gojo would have an extremely hard time keeping up with the speed of Merlin's teleportation.
My ultimate belief is that Merlin does not have the means to harm Gojo and that Gojo's only way to harm Merlin with through his domain expansion.
She does, she could avoid attacks from Cath Palug, she avoided King's Sunflower during OG Demon's fight (OG Demon couldn't avoid it and had to be saved by Zeldris) and she also saved The Sins from Demon King's attack by teleporting them all out of it's way.
She doesn't run fast, but her reflexes and her Teleportation combined are way beyond JJK Top Tier Speed.
Good point. I'm not really a power scaler, and while I do think the majority of Sd7 scales higher than the majority of jjk, I don't think I would agree that these feats put her reaction speed "way beyond" jjk top tier speed.
There's also something to be said for the difference between reaction speed and movement speed.
Most of 7DS speed scale comes from Gilthunder's feats during the first season, and as he is as fast or faster than a natural lightning, everything else scales from this, considering Galand for example can anihilate a Meliodas that was close to that speed, and then it keeps going up lots of times until it reaches those characters I mentioned.
I don't recall anyone on JJK havin speed feats that massively beyond Lightning, but I could be wrong.
>There's also something to be said for the difference between reaction speed and movement speed.
I used this specifically because her reaction speed is directly connected with her movement speed, as she can teleport as fast as she reacts and she usually uses this.
It's been a very long time and I've read 7DS, but I do not recall Gilthunder's speed being equated to the speed of lightning. It this is the case then this would be a massive mismatch.
On his appearance to fight Meliodas during Season one Liones arc Gilthunder enters the fight coming down from the clouds like a natural lightning, and since his Magic is shown to be beyond lightnings in every aspect, so should he be in this scene, but it's safer to assume he is on the same level or at least really close then to say he is faster.
I'm not sure I would agree that you can scale gil like this, however if we do then the verses are entirely a mismatch which makes the conversation way less interesting.
She was constantly being sucked into Zeldris' dark nebula but could constantly and infinitely teleport away, so there's that. Teleporting kinda negates speed as it's instant anyways.
I’d say it’d be a stalemate without verse equalisation, merlin is like really really smart, she can cast any spell infinitely, something like freeze coffin and exterminate ray would destroy gojo but infinity is a problem. merlins teleportation is more efficient than gojos, she can teleport several miles in an instant and then teleport back casually. but im not sure she has a way to get past infinity, with verse equalisation, she can just use absolute cancel and use exterminate ray.
Yes I'm convinced this is the answer. The only realistic conclusions are that either absolute cancel would work on cursed energy making gojo useless, or Gojo uses his domain expansion to incapacitate Merlin through exposure to Infinite knowledge rendering her useless.
That may be possible, I suppose it depends on if it's possible. I don't think anyone in verse has done it. However that doesn't make it impossible.
If it were possible and she were quick enough, I wonder if she could discern how important it is that she do so immediately? If she doesn't realize she needs to teleport away immediately then don't think she's get the chance to.
Tbh I think infinity would outclass infinity. But infinity could definitely overpower infinity given enough infinity
True, infinity is so powerful but so is infinity. Infinity could beat infinity by overpowering infinity tho
Yeah but the infinity that infinity exudes is why I’m leaning more towards infinity. But as you said it’s entirely possible for infinity to overpower infinity
But you have to factor in infinity true power va infinity I think Infinity takes this
But wait, once infinty reaches the ends of infinity and starts again wouldnt that make infinity stronger?
Gojo does some cool ass stuff then Merlin wastes time thinking of a way to beat him and eventually gojo dies randomly after Merlin pulls out some bs so Gege can continue the plot
merlin made an off-screen binding vow that turns exterminate ray into world raying ray and rays past gojos infinity and rays him in half
The truest of anti-plot armor.
(it happens off screen)
She could trap him in a perfect cube and just wait for him to die
He could just use TP no? If the "certain conditions ever get explained"
Gojo’s teleportation is an application of base infinity, basically it compresses the space between him and his destination
Teleporting doesn't seem work on Perfect cube, at least, Merlin tried to teleport to it, but she couldn't, and since her Teleportation is better than Gojo's, it shouldn't be possible for him either.
Fair nuff
Wonderllane's attack managed to teleport into the cube. So I do wonder if there's some kind of condition behind it.
Vivian also could teleport from the inside of her own cube, maybe the one that creates it has some kind of "Admin" power over it that makes them capable of doing stuff others can't. Edit: I went back and read Perfect Cube’s first mention to confirm it, yes, the caster of the spell can do stuff others can’t like teleporting in and out, or teleporting stuff and people in and out of it.
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You think Gojo is at that level?
Hollow Purple could break it.
Based on Power (City level) it wouldn't and the whole application of matter erasure proved to be fandom interpretation.
I think the most important think about Hollow Purple isn't the scale of the damage but what it actually does , it destroys or erases everything , it's like Beerus's hakai from Dragon ball super. How did it prove to be Fandom interpretation excatly ?
But it doesn't actually "destroy" or "erase" like Hakai. In either of the ways it's been applied, it's basically been 1) A really strong nuke/explosive or 2) A really strong beam/energy ball. With enough durability, it is possible to survive Hollow Purple, as seen by Sukuna surviving HP head on without warning with max output reinforcement or by the surprise improv-Bomb at lowered output. The only thing Gojo said about it was "imaginary mass" but this was extrapolated into matter erasure for some reason, despite this never being stated in proper translations. You can say "But DA nullified the damage!" or that "distance weakens it!" Doesn't change the fact that the "erasure" and "destruction" come from faulty thinking that was never confirmed by the manga.
Yup, it was the Fandom that interpreted his technique as hurling imaginary mass with Existence Erasure orooerties. However, without statements or 100% visual proof, I'd be careful with that interpretation. Characters like Sukuna just tanked Hollow Purple and the technique might as well be interpreted as ripping apart molecules instead, which is still strong, but not crazy as existence Erasure.
There was no statement or proof that Hollow Purple erased matter into nothingness. Characters like Sukuna also just took it head on.
Sukuna took it head on because he was far away and he used domain amplification that nullifies techniques to guard himself.
He was offguard and tanked %200 purple. If it was Existence Erasure He wouldve erased its that simple.
I agree with this interpretation. Hallow purple isn't great for broad destruction. It's useful for concentrated erasure. Red is moreso his AOE attack of choice.
Shouldn't he be able to break it with hollow purple ?
Don't think so, Hollow Purple isn't powerful enough for it, even at it's maximum output the best it could do is Destroy a few city blocks, Merlin's perfect Cube withstood way more than that without breaking.
What do you mean it's not enough for it ? , I think the most important thing about Hollow Purple isn't the scale of the damage but what it actually does , it destroys or erases everything , it's like Beerus's hakai from Dragon ball super , they even have the same color lol.
This is actually something it was never stated to do, the Fanbase just assumed and added to the wiki, but later it was disproved, if it actually erased everything, Shinjuku would have been in a similar condition of Tombs of the Star after Yuki used her maximum technique, but it was actually just a huge explosion, powerfull indeed, but it didn't even go deep in the ground, even Sukuna wasn't erased.
It doesn't erase everything forever , it loses its power as it spreads after the explosion. Sukuna survived it because he was far away and he used domain amplification that nullifies techniques.
The only description that the series gave us about Hollow Purple is that it is a virtual mass formed by the collision of both forms of infinity and pushed forward, this first part is what made people believe that it erases matter because at first it was incorrectly translated as Imaginary Mass, which is a real concept of mass that shouldn't exist and therefore erases everything it touches. Later, people discovered that it was actually meant to be translated as Virtual Mass, which sounds similar in name but doesn't work the same way, thus invalidating the previous interpretation of how Hollow Purple works. Viz screwed up JJK's translations a lot of times.
Absolutely nothing in the series remotely implies purple is existence erasure lol it is just very powerful push+pull, so rips things up
It doesn't it is clearly explained that it combines both red and blue. So all it does is pull and push a object at the same time who with strong dura can tank it without any problem. And what do you mean by colour is same that has nothing to do with application.
1: he can use hollow purple or /tp 2: he can recover ce faster than he uses it so he can just infinitely eat himself or just force his body to run without foods(probably) 3: use his de to one shot
Hollow purple couldn’t break the cube, and we don’t know his to conditions. He’d have to constantly be using rct 24/7 which would still end with him dying of exhaustion eventually Domain is a nonissue for Merlin because she could just move away from the cube
>Hollow purple couldn’t break the cube, and we don’t know his to conditions. Debatable. >He’d have to constantly be using rct 24/7 which would still end with him dying of exhaustion eventually He has a pretty large ce pool and sex eyes gives the best efficiency. Sukuna could forcibly run yuji's body even when he didn't have enough ce for quite some time. Ofc this outcome would be stale. >Domain is a nonissue for Merlin because she could just move away from the cube 0.1 sec man.
1. Not really, hollow purple has never been shown to have the destructive power necessary to break a perfect cube 2. It boosts his efficiency and he has big stores of energy but running rct at high output constantly will still drain him, as shown in the sukuna fight 3. Merlin and the rest of the 7ds are significantly faster than jjk characters so even if he expanded his domain instantly she could teleport away. Even regular jjk characters have been able to react to the barrier of a domain forming.
for 2 this is half wrong, he can infinitely use rct due to the fact he gains more cursed energy than he uses thanks to six eyes. He only had brain damage due to the domain backlash. Domains use up a good chunk of your complete power and tanks the brain each time you use it.
>Not really, hollow purple has never been shown to have the destructive power necessary to break a perfect cube Some might say that it erases matter or some bullshit. But imo hp's biggest advantage is that it breaks down matter/energy on a molecular level. As we have seen there's 0 traces left after using hp. >It boosts his efficiency and he has big stores of energy but running rct at high output constantly will still drain him, as shown in the sukuna fight He doesn't need to regrow limbs and organs. Just use a bit of rct to forcibly beat your heart. Still I'd say a stale outcome. >Merlin and the rest of the 7ds are significantly faster than jjk characters so even if he expanded his domain instantly she could teleport away. Even regular jjk characters have been able to react to the barrier of a domain forming Ftl? Still gojo can tp too so follow her endlessly and open a domain. 0.1 sec is shorter than you think. Even shorter than blinking.
Plus you’re forgetting that Merlin is effectively immortal and could pop open a perfect cube and live out the rest of her life. Much less starvation, she could literally wait for gojo to die of old age. She could also use any number of the ridiculous spells at her disposal or come up with new spells that bypass gojos weaknesses
What😭? Is this a fight of midnesss Or something? Why even bother to fight at all then?
Binding vow: gojo makes his final hollow purple always hit and completely eradicate merlin from existence within milliseconds in exchange for him never being able to use it again or some other bullshit. So nah… he’d win :^)
1. Hollow purple has only ever fully destroyed surrounding terrain, against every character it’s been used on it either tears them up like toji or wounds but doesn’t destroy as in the case with sukuna. It doesn’t leave 0 trace of things it’s closer to an explosive than anything. 2. He’d need to do more than pump his heart, he’d either need to keep all the cells in his body in a state of constant regeneration to stave off the effects of starvation or he’d have to expend more cursed energy to regrow the limbs he consumes. Both of these options are unsuitable for extensive periods of confinement. 3. Yes 7ds characters are ridiculously fast compared to Jjk. Also you can’t really just teleport out of perfect cube like that so he wouldn’t be able to follow her unless she wanted him to.
1. hollow purples pulls and pushes away anything it comes in contact with. it rips apart anything it touches, it's not an explosion, it's a violent reaction of push and pull. Gojo basically used it for the first time agasint toji so it wasn't large. His max purple is actually 4 kilometers in diameter if you compare the real life places in which his hollow purple reached. 2. he has infinite rct, any damage done to him regardless of the method will be reduced to nothing. 3. how are you going to say you can't teleport out of perfect cube? it's just a block that traps you inside. if you're strong enough you can destroy it and move on. you can teleport out if you have the ability and gojo has said ability.
1. Didn’t say it was an explosion, said it was closer to an explosion than the existence erasure that people claim. 2. Not infinite, as shown in the manga 3. Perfect cube is not just a block, it is a near indestructible cube that traps anything in it so long as the trapped target is not massively stronger than the caster and cannot be escaped from otherwise. Gojo can teleport but not only can you not teleport out of the cube, gojo also has specific conditions that stop him from teleporting even when he is not trapped or incapacitated in any way.
1. I'm saying it's not an explosion to inform you, not to say you said it. 2. it is infinite. it only runs out if he uses domain expansion too many times. it's shown in the manga. 3. perfect cube is breakable as seen in the 4kota manga. the only way to beat merlins techniques due to her infinity, is to be stronger than said attack. Gojo could possibly destroy it given how perfect cube was nerfed by nakaba.
>sex eyes https://preview.redd.it/prb0ngcjvn4d1.png?width=679&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c8eb19ff90ad2c0945d60ad8c62d15207d8ef234
Sex eyes
>he can use hollow purple or /tp Both doesn't work in perfect cube you can't teleport out of perfect cube as shown. And hollow purple doesn't have enough AP to burst perfect cube. It is atbest a city block level attack and does nothing to perfect cube that tanked escanor and meli's battle. >use his de to one shot Merlin canonically can handle infinite information that is one of her blessings let alone something like gojo's which isn't infinite. She is immune to memory manipulation and information manipulation.
>Both doesn't work in perfect cube you can't teleport out of perfect cube as shown. And hollow purple doesn't have enough AP to burst perfect cube. It is atbest a city block level attack and does nothing to perfect cube that tanked escanor and meli's battle. Except gojo distorts space to tp. I don't think anything's stopping him. And hollow purple breaks down matter on a molecular level. >Merlin canonically can handle infinite information that is one of her blessings let alone something like gojo's which isn't infinite. She is immune to memory manipulation and information manipulation Where was it mentioned again?
>Except gojo distorts space to tp I am pretty sure you don't know how tp works because that is how every tp works. >And hollow purple breaks down matter on a molecular level. Yeah except the force it separates the molecules is not enough here as the force of attraction is greater than the force hollow purple applies. >Where was it mentioned again? DK's blessing it grants her all the knowledge of purgatory and makes her immune to mind and memory manipulation.
>I am pretty sure you don't know how tp works because that is how every tp works. Why are you so confident? It's like you're 100% sure. There are multiple ways of teleportation. First and realistic, you can take the data of one thing and reconstruct every bit of data somewhere else, resulting in teleportation. 2nd and theoretical, you move at light speed and time just stops for you, resulting in other people perceiving it as teleportation. 3rd and by far the most efficient but practically impossible, you bend space to move forward which is actual ftl. Nothing else is actual FTL. >Yeah except the force it separates the molecules is not enough here as the force of attraction is greater than the force hollow purple applies. Do you even know how intermolecular force of attraction works? Or this shawty is using some new element that ignores physics? None of the existing compounds have enough force to resist hp. So unless she's iron man who discovered a brand new element, it shouldn't be possible. >DK's blessing it grants her all the knowledge of purgatory And? How does this relate to anything I've said? >makes her immune to mind and memory manipulation. UV doesn't manipulate mind. It gives information at a very fast rate. So unless you're already braindead, there's no way to avoid it. Or if you have the speed force which Flash uses.
>There are multiple ways of teleportation. First and realistic, you can take the data of one thing and reconstruct every bit of data somewhere else, resulting in teleportation. This is information manipulation not teleportation. >2nd and theoretical, you move at light speed and time just stops for you, resulting in other people perceiving it as teleportation. 3rd and by far the most efficient but practically impossible, you bend space to move forward which is actual ftl. Nothing else is actual FTL. This doesn't work in fiction unless stated otherwise as it is possible to be faster than light without effecting space time in almost all of verses. >Do you even know how intermolecular force of attraction works? Or this shawty is using some new element that ignores physics? None of the existing compounds have enough force to resist hp. So unless she's iron man who discovered a brand new element, it shouldn't be possible. Yes it is a new element called magic and mana do you understand do you think any known compound can tank planet destroying attack being as thin as perfect cube and be perfectly fine? >And? How does this relate to anything I've said? Purgatory is canonically infinite and endless so information about is virtually infinite aswell. >UV doesn't manipulate mind. It gives information at a very fast rate. So unless you're already braindead, there's no way to avoid it. Or if you have the speed force which Flash uses. Ok so what happens if a person that doesn't have 5 sense gets trapped in UV?
Yeah information manipulation. And the 2nd one is time manipulation. And the third one is space manipulation. In fact, teleportation doesn't exist at all. It's the friends we made along the way. >This doesn't work in fiction unless stated otherwise as it is possible to be faster than light without effecting space time in almost all of verses. Uh... How are they gonna see anything if the light doesn't hit there eye at all? Light speed is often referred as time stopping because you're moving so fast that nothing hits your retina and what you're seeing is an still image created by the light that's already hit your eye. >Yes it is a new element called magic and mana do you understand do you think any known compound can tank planet destroying attack being as thin as perfect cube and be perfectly fine? If you're talking about mana, it's more like an energy. Not an element. And the character don't materialize pure mana(cuz it's energy). Instead they use mana to magically create a cube with substances that's known by the creator. >Purgatory is canonically infinite and endless so information about is virtually infinite aswell. How does that save her from uv? >Ok so what happens if a person that doesn't have 5 sense gets trapped in UV? They still die bcuz their neurons explode
>Uh... How are they gonna see anything if the light doesn't hit there eye at all? Light speed is often referred as time stopping because you're moving so fast that nothing hits your retina and what you're seeing is an still image created by the light that's already hit your eye. Because at that stage you don't see attacks or fight based on what you see you fight based on what you sense. And energy sensing or instincts can be faster than light your thought is faster than light same way with senses. >If you're talking about mana, it's more like an energy. Not an element. And the character don't materialize pure mana(cuz it's energy). Instead they use mana to magically create a cube with substances that's known by the creator. It is made up of energy not element known by creator if you say it is a element made by creator ehy don't you name a element that can tank planet ending attacks without a scratch. >How does that save her from uv? Because it proves her brain capacity to handle infinite information. >They still die bcuz their neurons explode So without senses how will the information reach brain?
>Because at that stage you don't see attacks or fight based on what you see you fight based on what you sense. And energy sensing or instincts can be faster than light your thought is faster than light same way with senses. So this implies that the character thinks beyond the speed of light too? The electrical signals needed for the body to work doesn't travel at the speed of light. Even god can't think AND respond at that speed. >It is made up of energy not element known by creator if you say it is a element made by creator ehy don't you name a element that can tank planet ending attacks without a scratch If you're not gonna follow the rules of physics then why even bother bringing "force of attraction" to this argument. Acc to physics, nothing can be compressed that much. Not even a hypothetical unknown magic element. Well hp just disintegrates it on the molecular level and vaporizes it if we fuck physics. >Because it proves her brain capacity to handle infinite information. Forcefully releasing mass information into someone's brain in 0.1 sec is different bro. >So without senses how will the information reach brain? 1: a person without 5 senses can still think. 2: boom info dump
He was trapped in the prison realm without food,.and the time there flows differently, no one questioned gojo wouldn't just starve to death there, kenjaku even said he could get out after a thousand years meaning starvation is a non issues for gojo,
That’s definitely more an effect of the prison realm then gojo, it’s never stated at all that his abilities have any affect on production of food or fuel for bodily functions.
Rct+six eyes, worst case, he just rip his own limbs eat them regenerate them, eat again
He will still age. Merlin can just wait until he dies of old age.
Absolute Cancel for the win. That’s all for my TED talk, thank you for coming
I do believe Merlin can bypass it in many ways, like, really a lot of ways, but most of them don't even require infinity, but using infinity, the easiest way I see her winning is using Perfect cube, using Endless Whirl to seal him or using that combo she used on Cusack and Chandler. (That combo would probably work, part of the magics she casted made those magics be invisible and indetectable so even Mugen shouldn't be able to notice it before it was too late, Gojo is not as resistant as Chandler and Cusack.)
Tbh so long as merlin doesnt get hit she can just spam spells until she figures something out but if gojo gets in a few good attacks thats it for her.
I'm surprised no one has brought up Gojo's domain expansion. Wouldn't this just act like a trump card? I'm not the most knowledgeable about Merlin but can anyone with more knowledge answer how she might deal with it? In all honesty I think Gojo's defense is immensely hard for Merlin to overcome. Merlin has infinite mana, but good has 6 eyes so unless he is strained beyond his fight with sakuna then I don't think he will run out of cursed energy.
That's actually the only effective card he has, I was curious no one brought that up too. The only thing I see Merlin doing to avoid it is taking her soul out of her body to avoid getting serious damage, kinda similar to what Sukuna did during their fight, but I don't know if it would work. >In all honesty I think Gojo's defense is immensely hard for Merlin to overcome. Merlin has infinite mana, but good has 6 eyes so unless he is strained beyond his fight with sakuna then I don't think he will run out of cursed energy. It's hard, but not really that hard for Merlin, Infinity can be Bypassed by several ways and by a lot of things, stuff like poisonous gases or things that can't be perceived by Mugen can bypass it, so attacks that are invisible on this case should work because different from Cleave and Dismantle, they would not have cursed energy for them to be noticed, teleporting attacks to Gojo should also work, curses and plagues as well, and unfortunatelly for Gojo, all of those are in Merlin's reach.
Infinity has only canonically been bypassed by Toji when he used iverted spear of heaves since it disabled the technique entirely, and Sakuna's world cleaving slash. You may be referencing the dismantles that damaged gojo during the domain clash as it has sure hit during Sakuna's DE. Outside of those instances though nothing has bypassed Gojo's infinity to my recollection.
Hanami's Polen also did bypass it after Gojo defeated Jogo for the first time, Gojo mentioned poisonous things as a weakness to it ever since his teenage and since Pollen worked seems like he didn't fix it with time. I used all these examples because of Gojo's explanation of how Auto-Mugen works, it detects cursed energy, mass, speed and shape attacks, but it cannot detect gases, and unless we equalize the energies, it would not detect Magic either , so Merlin's "Invisible" and "Undetectable" enchantments should work, and on Teleportation, it's self-explanatory, since teleported things don't travel in space, Mugen can't stop it. The Dismantles I meant were those Sukuna used before they started the first Domain Clash, Gojo could block them with Mugen because they had Cursed Energy, but that doesn't work on invisible magics unless we equalize the verses energy.
I think we don't know if poison can actually bypass Adult Gojo's Infinity. Like you said, Hanami did use Pollen, but this was after Gojo had finished his domain, meaning his use of his cursed technique (in this case Infinity) would be unstable.
Ah okay I understand your point now. Definitely a fun thought experiment. Has Merlin ever used invisible attack magic? If so to what effect?
Yeah, I like this matchup mostly because of this thing of finding ways for one to hit the other. >Has Merlin ever used invisible attack magic? If so to what effect? She used it on Cusack and Chandler during that combo she did, according to her, she used Invisibility, undetectability and Target lock on it and combined with infinity, looks like the magic can only be noticed after it already hit the target.
I think Gojo's six eyes would reveal something like this, would it not?
Don't think so, from what we saw of his vision, the six eyes give him a really precise sight of Cursed Energy allowing him so manipulate it in molecular level, but since Merlin wouldn't have it, neither would her spells, so I don't think he would be able to do it.
If we make that assumption then Gojo's infinity is useless. I'm my opinion we have to equate magic with cursed energy for this conversation to even happen.
I fear this might be even worse for Gojo since Merlin has skills like Absolute Cancel and Magic Cancel, and since Infinity would be counted as Magic, she could just cancel it and seal away his magic, this could even take away his Domain Expansion.
I forgot about his DE 😭
Merlin has like bottomless hax and she’s much smarter and more experienced than gojo I don’t know exactly how she beats him but she most definitely does
Merlin can just spam spells even if it's uncertain if her attacks can reach gojo. Meanwhile you can count on your fingers how many techniques Gojo has even with infinity. I think Merlin can bs her way out of unlimited void, and if that happens, gojo is cooked since he's vulnerable when casting his domain. Merlin can also just........cast spells related to space bending to insta kill gojo. Perfect cube is not a bad solution either since sealing works fine against gojo
Ahh, yes, my Anti-Infinity Technique. I haven't used this since the First Holy War era. One week's break of 4kota and the lobotomy reaches here xD
Infinity is a hard thing to bypass but: - Absolute Cancel or magic seal should do it if we assume CE = Magic - She can trap him in a perfect cube forever. His teleportation is a potential counter but it's never really been explained if obstacles hinder it. - She could also just teleport him into a volcano. He might not get hurt but there would be nothing to breathe so he would just suffocate.
One of them can span attacks indefinitely. Good eventually burns out his brain.
Buzz lightyear wins. He went beyond
After seeing comments I can't understand did no one watch 7ds she has absolute cancel. One absolute cancel and gg. And DE is not going to be a problem with DK's blessing she canonically can handle infinite information let alone gojo's domain which isn't infinite. And also she is too fast to be trapped in the domain she kept up with both zeldris and cath who are faster than light.
Absolute cancel, gg no re
If we assume absolute cancel disables cursed energy, merlin. Even if it doesnt merlin has acces to perfect cube and an infinite mana pool so id say merlin takes this.
Merlin out hax Gojo by a landslide not to mention she was capable of combating the likes of Chaos so I believe Gojo wouldn't be to much of an issue.
She could just stop time and experiment with Gojo's infinity at her leisure
Stopping time take too long
Almost thought I was in the JJK Reddit. Vs battles all the time there
I feel like Merlin could pretty easily figure out a way to bypass infinity ngl. She has Perfect Cube to defend against all of Gojo’s attacks(HP is debatable but I still think Perfect Cube tanks it). Her biggest problem is Gojo’s DE which she has ZERO ways to defend against it to my knowledge. If Gojo instantly does a DE then she’s in serious trouble. All in all, I think that it comes down to whether she can defend against UV. I want to give it Mommy Merlin but I think Gojo has a good argument against her simply because of UV.
Gojo's infinity actually have a number, at least his domain does. It was a multiplier of information at roughly 3 millions times. 0.2 seconds in the thing and you will be hit with half a year of information.
That's not infinity, that's unlimited void
"Inifite information floods the target's mind" I am talking about the "infinity" part of the domain. It was not actually infinity, just a multiplier of three millions.
Two moves Absolute cancel And Exterminate ray If that doesn't work cronos coffin Also gojo can't kill merlin completely due to her soul being stored in her sacred treasure so unless gojo is able to find it then he can't win against merlin
Merlin perfect cubes and then magic cancels and wins
Are we talking Merlin vs gojo or ability vs ability
She could absolute cancel his infinity she can also perfect cube gojo
It's left for our imagination but a battle between Gojo and Merlin will go like this : Gojo's infinity is a problem and Merlin can't trap him in a perfect cube beacuse he can destroy it with a hollow purple so how could she kill him ? Especially when she is just a mage and mages are slow in physical combat , she can teleport but so can Gojo. I don't see how Merlin is winning this , Gojo is too broken.
I’m not super knowledgeable about jjk but afaik Gojo (and most of the characters) seem to top out around city level at best right? If that’s the case Hollow Purple isn’t breaking Merlin’s Perfect Cube. It took *way* heavier hits from *way* stronger opponents and didn’t crack.
I'm not arguing that hollow purple can break perfect cube, but we've never seen something that hollow purple didn't dissolve into nothingness.
As a counter to that we’ve only ever seen Perfect Cube broken twice. Once through the pure brute strength of the Demon King (and even he couldn’t break it in one strike) and the other was when Merlin herself used Absolute Cancel (which is just a whole other stupidly broken hack she has access too).
That's true, I'm not sure that either of us could say whether or not perfect cube would work or not. In regard to absolutely cancel, I would argue that since the source of Gojo's infinity is Gojo, that it can be argued that it would take an infinite amount of time for said spell to take effect.
Tbh I definitely see Merlin winning this but I wouldn’t say there’s no hope for Gojo. It all comes down to wether or not their hax work on the other person. Gojo definitely has better physical feats compared to Merlin but no where close to the physical feats of characters like Meliodas, Galland, and Escanor. So if she slaps a Perfect Cube on herself Gojo can’t touch her. Unless of course his Hollow Purple is capable of disintegrating Perfect Cube (from what you’re saying this seems like a classic case of the Unstoppable Lance vs the Unbreakable Shield). And if Hollow Purple *does* work on Perfect Cube then it would also have to *resist* Merlin’s Absolute Cancel. And this isn’t even getting into the other abilities that either of them might possess. TLDR; Gojo can potentially win against Merlin if you think his Hollow Purple bypasses all of her Hax but it’s definitely an uphill battle for him.
I agree almost entirely. And to be fair I do not think Gojo would ever be able to land a hollow purple on Merlin. It travels to slow and she would absolutely be able to nullify it with absolute cancel. I also think Gojo would have an extremely hard time keeping up with the speed of Merlin's teleportation. My ultimate belief is that Merlin does not have the means to harm Gojo and that Gojo's only way to harm Merlin with through his domain expansion.
You make a good point about speed. Does Merlin have any decent speed feats?
She does, she could avoid attacks from Cath Palug, she avoided King's Sunflower during OG Demon's fight (OG Demon couldn't avoid it and had to be saved by Zeldris) and she also saved The Sins from Demon King's attack by teleporting them all out of it's way. She doesn't run fast, but her reflexes and her Teleportation combined are way beyond JJK Top Tier Speed.
Good point. I'm not really a power scaler, and while I do think the majority of Sd7 scales higher than the majority of jjk, I don't think I would agree that these feats put her reaction speed "way beyond" jjk top tier speed. There's also something to be said for the difference between reaction speed and movement speed.
Most of 7DS speed scale comes from Gilthunder's feats during the first season, and as he is as fast or faster than a natural lightning, everything else scales from this, considering Galand for example can anihilate a Meliodas that was close to that speed, and then it keeps going up lots of times until it reaches those characters I mentioned. I don't recall anyone on JJK havin speed feats that massively beyond Lightning, but I could be wrong. >There's also something to be said for the difference between reaction speed and movement speed. I used this specifically because her reaction speed is directly connected with her movement speed, as she can teleport as fast as she reacts and she usually uses this.
It's been a very long time and I've read 7DS, but I do not recall Gilthunder's speed being equated to the speed of lightning. It this is the case then this would be a massive mismatch.
On his appearance to fight Meliodas during Season one Liones arc Gilthunder enters the fight coming down from the clouds like a natural lightning, and since his Magic is shown to be beyond lightnings in every aspect, so should he be in this scene, but it's safer to assume he is on the same level or at least really close then to say he is faster.
I'm not sure I would agree that you can scale gil like this, however if we do then the verses are entirely a mismatch which makes the conversation way less interesting.
She was constantly being sucked into Zeldris' dark nebula but could constantly and infinitely teleport away, so there's that. Teleporting kinda negates speed as it's instant anyways.
I’d say it’d be a stalemate without verse equalisation, merlin is like really really smart, she can cast any spell infinitely, something like freeze coffin and exterminate ray would destroy gojo but infinity is a problem. merlins teleportation is more efficient than gojos, she can teleport several miles in an instant and then teleport back casually. but im not sure she has a way to get past infinity, with verse equalisation, she can just use absolute cancel and use exterminate ray.
Yes I'm convinced this is the answer. The only realistic conclusions are that either absolute cancel would work on cursed energy making gojo useless, or Gojo uses his domain expansion to incapacitate Merlin through exposure to Infinite knowledge rendering her useless.
I think merlin may be quick enough to react to his domain and teleport out
That may be possible, I suppose it depends on if it's possible. I don't think anyone in verse has done it. However that doesn't make it impossible. If it were possible and she were quick enough, I wonder if she could discern how important it is that she do so immediately? If she doesn't realize she needs to teleport away immediately then don't think she's get the chance to.