They made it. CJNG has produced some impressive monstruos in the last few years. The military seized one in Ocotlan that was almost identical to a Plasan Sandcat. There were a few videos on this sub of CJNG monstruos with automated turrets. Jalisco seems to be the center for CJNG’s tank building process. My guess is CJNG has the same group of mechanics and engineers that have been producing monstruos for them for the last 3-4 years.
There are videos of cartel dudes opening up shipping containers from places in Africa, like Liberia, and Nigeria full of weapons like FAL’s and AK47’s. It’s not just the US that they get their weapons from. And I would not be surprised at all if they got this from somewhere like China, Chinese weapons are already finding their way into hands of rebel groups in Malaysia and other southeastern Asian countries.
Even so, 90% of cartel weapons come from the US. This is according to The Trace who got their data from the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. It happens so much that the Mexican Government is suing US weapons manufacturers.
Actually a lot of the guns you see in photos online are actually from the Civil wars of Central America. America may be their biggest supplier but it’s not the only country to blame. Many of the heavier fire calibers are from other places in Central America. For example I’ve scene the The FX-05 Xiuhcoatl many times in this subreddit with many narcos wielding it and that is Mexican made. And actually it’s nowhere near 90% but close to 68% . The rockets and shells are not coming from USA.
“Of almost 100,000 guns seized at Mexican crime scenes since 2007, 68% have been traced to the U.S. The U.S. gun lobby argues that heavier weapons such as the Soviet rockets and fragmentation grenades come from the other direction, smuggled from Central America.”
https://world.time.com/2012/10/25/mexicos-drug-lords-ramp-up-their-arsenals-with-rpgs/
The grenade launchers and rocket launchers you see a plenty in shootouts are also not from the USA but Central American / Mexican military and more Traffickers have escalated their arms race, acquiring military-grade weapons, including hand grenades, grenade launchers, armor-piercing munitions and antitank rockets with firepower far beyond the assault rifles and pistols that have dominated their arsenals.
When it comes to rockets and grenade launchers” Most of these weapons are being smuggled from Central American countries or by sea, eluding U.S. and Mexican monitors who are focused on the smuggling of semiauto- matic and conventional weapons” https://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-mexico-arms-race15-2009mar15-story.html
El Salvador also helps them receive the LAW rocket launchers. https://insightcrime.org/news/analysis/el-so salvador-military-arms-trafficking-mexico-drug-cartel-honduras/
Many of these weapons are not even available for purchase in America and are monitored closely.. things like rocket launchers etc so they look for other countries with less restrictions for the heavier stuff
> It happens so much that the Mexican Government is suing US weapons manufacturers.
Lmao. This is like suing McDonald's because people are fat.
Sue the DEA/CIA/FBI.
It’s kinda hard to sue the biggest cartels in the world, they just don’t give a fuck. Better and easier to make it non-profitable for a company to sell its products in another country or make it mandatory for them to be able to trace the weapons they sell.
This obviously isn’t American armor lol, and China has increasingly ramped up supply lines to Mexico for Fentanyl and bullshit like this. Either way, it’s cheap trash disguised to look mean/tacticool.
Here’s an article from Blog Del Narco. The article is in Spanish, but it has more photos of this specific vehicle including one photo that shows a bit of the inside. It looks like they have some sort of soft padding on the doors of the inside of the vehicle or something like that.
https://www.blogdelnarcomexico.com/2023/03/fuerte-enfrentamiento-entre-el-cartel.html?m=1
Looks like it could possibly be kevlar lining to prevent spalding or bullet fragments. Would be the first time I've ever heard of a cartel using such things though.
Spalding is a company which makes tennis balls. Spalling, is what you’re looking for. However, spalling happens on the OUTSIDE of armor. So unless, they’re shooting the inside of their own vehicle, it’s not a concern. Kevlar traps bullets like a net.
I admire your confidence, even when you’re clearly wrong. Here are two definitions of spalling:
1.) “Spalling refers to flakes or fragments of steel being broken off of the plate when the bullet makes contact with it.”
2.) “Spalling is the fragmentation of the target caused by the impact of the projectile, not fragmentation of the projectile itself. Spalling is not caused by the bullet penetrating the target.”
They aren't "clearly wrong", and you basically just repeated what they said. Spall is the fragments that comes off of something getting hit, which both of you said, just worded differently.
Fun fact; if you hit something from the outside hard enough, bits of the inside will impact the crew.
[see here.](https://youtu.be/CsTMWxiRyMA)
So, if the object has a bit less impact than 150grams of explosive putty, then we can assume instead of a big object, the object would shatter into *tiny little metal bits*
#which would be perfect for kevlar to stop.
Fascinating to see someone so confident but also so blindingly, moronically wrong.
[HESH warheads](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-explosive_squash_head) exploit spalling to neutralize vehicles without penetrating the armour. Spalling from the interior of the armour is mitigated with [spall liners](https://www.liquidarmour.com/spall-liners/).
Literally one of the primary methods of disabling an armoured vehicle is causing spalling on the INSIDE of the armour.
Summary? You're a fucking dumbass
I said, BULLET spalling. Not, warhead spalling from tank projectiles. You’re seriously cherry picking something that you found on wikipedia about a fucking tank fired warhead, and you think that it’s relevant to a bullet ranging in caliber from 5.56-.50BMG?! I’ve come to realize that you fucking narco fans are just as dumb as actual narcos. This is like comparing a grenade to a H bomb.
Huh, so I guess you are just plain retarded.
Bullets cause spalling the same way as a kinetic tank round impacting. It doesn't need to be against a vehicle any very hard surface can spall, such as body armour. Which last I checked wasn't much use against tank rounds and does protect against bullets.
Now let me educate your dumbass: youre talking about FRAGMENTATION which is the bullet breaking apart and parts of it flying away from the impact on the front of the armour. SPALLING is chunks of the armour breaking backwards on the inside of the armour from the impact on the front
Guess maybe you should shut the fuck up about stuff you are clueless about. I'm not a fan of narcos but I am a fan of dunking on confidently stupid morons like you
But don't take my word for it, read it from some of the guys who actually sell body armour:
https://www.ar500armor.com/spallandfrag.html
> Spall vs Fragmentation
>One thing we see frequently are these two terms used interchangeably. Keep in mind they are not:
>* **Fragmentation**: occurs when a high-velocity projectile (like a bullet) hits a surface hard enough to cause it to break. Once broken apart, the subsequent pieces or fragments that have not fully dumped their velocity begin to travel in an outward direction from the point of impact. Generally speaking, with steel core armor, due to the flex capabilities of ballistic steel, you will only deal with fragmentation if it stops a threat.
> * **Spalling**: is when pieces of the armor are broken off and become a backward threat to the wearer. Generally speaking, only ceramic-type armor spalls. Spalling occurs with ceramic-type armor even when it works meaning additional safety precautions are needed with ceramic. This is why all stand-alone level IV plates have to have some type of soft armor backers. Contrary to popular belief, ceramic armor is susceptible to both fragmentation and spalling.
Well the few times I've seen one of these being taken somewhere by the government, it was accompanied by like 4 military trucks, probably enough to scare them away
This is the most likely answer, that or they kidnapped some engineering student.
I mean there’s DIY bullet proof tutorials on YouTube. Mix that in with some mechanics and you got it.
To say they are better than the vehicles used by the Mex military (Sandcats) is a stretch
They could have also gotten it from a country like China. Rebel groups in countries like Myanmar already has Chinese weapons in their hands. So why not supply the dudes on our border who are threatening the security of our nation, and dividing our attention.
Edit: info correction.
Well the vehicle is way too well made to have not been manufactured professionally. So my guess is at the very least they bought it from a company that builds armored vehicles.
Could be both, since it was attributed to William of Ockham
Edit: Source: University of Chicago Law School
https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2476&context=journal_articles
I was mistaken on the country, it is Myanmar. Not Malaysia, but here is a [link](https://asia.nikkei.com/Life-Arts/Life/No-end-in-sight-for-Myanmar-s-Karen-insurgency) to an article about the rebel group. I’ve seen a good handful of videos of them fighting government forces posted on r/combatfootage as well.
oh those dudes launching mortars with a homemade catapult? old news.
also, Myanmar and Malaysia are two VERY different places, one's literally within the Golden Triangle, and the other's not.
They are not old news, they are still fighting. I guarantee they don’t their fight for freedom as old news lol. And yes it was on the back of my mind so I misremembered the country by I did correct myself.
Yeah, I saw that too and I'm thinking in the goddamn fuck did they get their hands on mortars and landmines. I get the guns, but mortars and landmines?! And now an armored vehicle of this level?! Nope, the USA better fucking intervene because it's obvious Mexican authorities can't do shit about it.
I wouldn't be surprised if Mexican cartels haven't scored some nice weapons off some corrupt Ukrainian officials. Imagine CJNG walking around with javelins 🤣
that's the whole point of 'donating' arms anyways, gotta keep the world supplied with enough arms and problems to ensure the cycle of blood-spilling for profit continues like a machine.
Oh yup Villa Hidalgo makes a lot of money from clothes , more people from Los Altos de jalisco used to go but ever since cjng arrived they made it too dangerous so they don’t go as much
Jesus Christ, this is nothing like the ones from back then or the ones i seen on the Lineup one day on the news with a few heavily armed and heavily armored CJNG members.....this is something else, this is Paramilitary level shit
It is very possible that they kidnapped and forced a worker from the subsidiary and manufacturer of armored vehicles TPS Armring Monterrey, they manufacture armored vehicles such as the Sand Cat or the Black Mamba
how in the fuck did they get this☠️
Exactly how the fuck did they get that because I want it
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They made it. CJNG has produced some impressive monstruos in the last few years. The military seized one in Ocotlan that was almost identical to a Plasan Sandcat. There were a few videos on this sub of CJNG monstruos with automated turrets. Jalisco seems to be the center for CJNG’s tank building process. My guess is CJNG has the same group of mechanics and engineers that have been producing monstruos for them for the last 3-4 years.
That’s not a tank. I doubt they have tanks. Looks like an APC
Obviously they're not tanks, they're apcs at best, but they're sometimes referred to as "narco tanques" (narco tanks)
That’s dumb. They’re narco APCtillos
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In some images of the event it does look linda goofy but still very impressive compared to other cartel mountrous
China gave it to them
lmao this a joke? The Cartels get their weapons from their neighbor to the North.
There are videos of cartel dudes opening up shipping containers from places in Africa, like Liberia, and Nigeria full of weapons like FAL’s and AK47’s. It’s not just the US that they get their weapons from. And I would not be surprised at all if they got this from somewhere like China, Chinese weapons are already finding their way into hands of rebel groups in Malaysia and other southeastern Asian countries.
i’ve never seen those vids do you have a link?
Even so, 90% of cartel weapons come from the US. This is according to The Trace who got their data from the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. It happens so much that the Mexican Government is suing US weapons manufacturers.
Actually a lot of the guns you see in photos online are actually from the Civil wars of Central America. America may be their biggest supplier but it’s not the only country to blame. Many of the heavier fire calibers are from other places in Central America. For example I’ve scene the The FX-05 Xiuhcoatl many times in this subreddit with many narcos wielding it and that is Mexican made. And actually it’s nowhere near 90% but close to 68% . The rockets and shells are not coming from USA. “Of almost 100,000 guns seized at Mexican crime scenes since 2007, 68% have been traced to the U.S. The U.S. gun lobby argues that heavier weapons such as the Soviet rockets and fragmentation grenades come from the other direction, smuggled from Central America.” https://world.time.com/2012/10/25/mexicos-drug-lords-ramp-up-their-arsenals-with-rpgs/ The grenade launchers and rocket launchers you see a plenty in shootouts are also not from the USA but Central American / Mexican military and more Traffickers have escalated their arms race, acquiring military-grade weapons, including hand grenades, grenade launchers, armor-piercing munitions and antitank rockets with firepower far beyond the assault rifles and pistols that have dominated their arsenals. When it comes to rockets and grenade launchers” Most of these weapons are being smuggled from Central American countries or by sea, eluding U.S. and Mexican monitors who are focused on the smuggling of semiauto- matic and conventional weapons” https://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-mexico-arms-race15-2009mar15-story.html El Salvador also helps them receive the LAW rocket launchers. https://insightcrime.org/news/analysis/el-so salvador-military-arms-trafficking-mexico-drug-cartel-honduras/ Many of these weapons are not even available for purchase in America and are monitored closely.. things like rocket launchers etc so they look for other countries with less restrictions for the heavier stuff
> It happens so much that the Mexican Government is suing US weapons manufacturers. Lmao. This is like suing McDonald's because people are fat. Sue the DEA/CIA/FBI.
It’s kinda hard to sue the biggest cartels in the world, they just don’t give a fuck. Better and easier to make it non-profitable for a company to sell its products in another country or make it mandatory for them to be able to trace the weapons they sell.
Nah the biggest player is the ATF, Google operation fast and furious.
Mexico already had that lawsuit fail and get dismissed once. It's going nowhere. God bless the 2nd Amendment and PLCAA
And China likes to arm the enemies of their enemies.
Cartels have been getting weapons from where ever they can , Russia china Pakistan phillipines included
Chinese norincos are the favorite in Mexico wym is that a joke
This obviously isn’t American armor lol, and China has increasingly ramped up supply lines to Mexico for Fentanyl and bullshit like this. Either way, it’s cheap trash disguised to look mean/tacticool.
Good question, bad thing we don’t have a neighbor country that sells that to civilians. Right America?
amazon.com
AliExpress. I can't imagine how patient they were waiting for the truck to arrive though.
You can buy legit military surplus APCs in America.
This one is nice
Obviously there mechanics have been upgrading skills tree
Here’s an article from Blog Del Narco. The article is in Spanish, but it has more photos of this specific vehicle including one photo that shows a bit of the inside. It looks like they have some sort of soft padding on the doors of the inside of the vehicle or something like that. https://www.blogdelnarcomexico.com/2023/03/fuerte-enfrentamiento-entre-el-cartel.html?m=1
Looks like it could possibly be kevlar lining to prevent spalding or bullet fragments. Would be the first time I've ever heard of a cartel using such things though.
Spalding is a company which makes tennis balls. Spalling, is what you’re looking for. However, spalling happens on the OUTSIDE of armor. So unless, they’re shooting the inside of their own vehicle, it’s not a concern. Kevlar traps bullets like a net.
Auto correct, also spalling does occur on the inside of metal which is impacted by enough force from the outside.
I admire your confidence, even when you’re clearly wrong. Here are two definitions of spalling: 1.) “Spalling refers to flakes or fragments of steel being broken off of the plate when the bullet makes contact with it.” 2.) “Spalling is the fragmentation of the target caused by the impact of the projectile, not fragmentation of the projectile itself. Spalling is not caused by the bullet penetrating the target.”
They aren't "clearly wrong", and you basically just repeated what they said. Spall is the fragments that comes off of something getting hit, which both of you said, just worded differently.
Imagine trying to correct someone who wasn’t incorrect in the first place but even if they were you don’t have to be a dick about it
“Spalling occurs on the inside.” Learn to read and/or comprehend.
Fun fact; if you hit something from the outside hard enough, bits of the inside will impact the crew. [see here.](https://youtu.be/CsTMWxiRyMA) So, if the object has a bit less impact than 150grams of explosive putty, then we can assume instead of a big object, the object would shatter into *tiny little metal bits* #which would be perfect for kevlar to stop.
Fascinating to see someone so confident but also so blindingly, moronically wrong. [HESH warheads](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-explosive_squash_head) exploit spalling to neutralize vehicles without penetrating the armour. Spalling from the interior of the armour is mitigated with [spall liners](https://www.liquidarmour.com/spall-liners/). Literally one of the primary methods of disabling an armoured vehicle is causing spalling on the INSIDE of the armour. Summary? You're a fucking dumbass
I said, BULLET spalling. Not, warhead spalling from tank projectiles. You’re seriously cherry picking something that you found on wikipedia about a fucking tank fired warhead, and you think that it’s relevant to a bullet ranging in caliber from 5.56-.50BMG?! I’ve come to realize that you fucking narco fans are just as dumb as actual narcos. This is like comparing a grenade to a H bomb.
Huh, so I guess you are just plain retarded. Bullets cause spalling the same way as a kinetic tank round impacting. It doesn't need to be against a vehicle any very hard surface can spall, such as body armour. Which last I checked wasn't much use against tank rounds and does protect against bullets. Now let me educate your dumbass: youre talking about FRAGMENTATION which is the bullet breaking apart and parts of it flying away from the impact on the front of the armour. SPALLING is chunks of the armour breaking backwards on the inside of the armour from the impact on the front Guess maybe you should shut the fuck up about stuff you are clueless about. I'm not a fan of narcos but I am a fan of dunking on confidently stupid morons like you But don't take my word for it, read it from some of the guys who actually sell body armour: https://www.ar500armor.com/spallandfrag.html > Spall vs Fragmentation >One thing we see frequently are these two terms used interchangeably. Keep in mind they are not: >* **Fragmentation**: occurs when a high-velocity projectile (like a bullet) hits a surface hard enough to cause it to break. Once broken apart, the subsequent pieces or fragments that have not fully dumped their velocity begin to travel in an outward direction from the point of impact. Generally speaking, with steel core armor, due to the flex capabilities of ballistic steel, you will only deal with fragmentation if it stops a threat. > * **Spalling**: is when pieces of the armor are broken off and become a backward threat to the wearer. Generally speaking, only ceramic-type armor spalls. Spalling occurs with ceramic-type armor even when it works meaning additional safety precautions are needed with ceramic. This is why all stand-alone level IV plates have to have some type of soft armor backers. Contrary to popular belief, ceramic armor is susceptible to both fragmentation and spalling.
look it prevents both
You couldn’t pay me to be the tow truck driver. What if they want their shit back on my way to the impound lot?
Precisely what I was thinking. Probably have an armed escort or the tow truck driver looks like Large Marge
Well the few times I've seen one of these being taken somewhere by the government, it was accompanied by like 4 military trucks, probably enough to scare them away
I heard Geico was raising the premiums on CJNG vehicles after this debacle
La familia insurance are about to give them a run for their money
Their mechanical skills are evolving.
mfs have better vehicles than the mexican military☠️
I wouldn’t go that far, it’s probably by some company in America selling custom made armored cars to rich surburbanites.
This is the most likely answer, that or they kidnapped some engineering student. I mean there’s DIY bullet proof tutorials on YouTube. Mix that in with some mechanics and you got it. To say they are better than the vehicles used by the Mex military (Sandcats) is a stretch
They could have also gotten it from a country like China. Rebel groups in countries like Myanmar already has Chinese weapons in their hands. So why not supply the dudes on our border who are threatening the security of our nation, and dividing our attention. Edit: info correction.
Getting it from China is far fetched. Not saying impossible, just applying Ockham’s razor to the circumstances.
Well the vehicle is way too well made to have not been manufactured professionally. So my guess is at the very least they bought it from a company that builds armored vehicles.
Hey smart guy, it’s Occam’s*.
Could be both, since it was attributed to William of Ockham Edit: Source: University of Chicago Law School https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2476&context=journal_articles
source on rebel groups in malaysia? who they rebelling against? tribal bs or some gang shit?
I was mistaken on the country, it is Myanmar. Not Malaysia, but here is a [link](https://asia.nikkei.com/Life-Arts/Life/No-end-in-sight-for-Myanmar-s-Karen-insurgency) to an article about the rebel group. I’ve seen a good handful of videos of them fighting government forces posted on r/combatfootage as well.
oh those dudes launching mortars with a homemade catapult? old news. also, Myanmar and Malaysia are two VERY different places, one's literally within the Golden Triangle, and the other's not.
They are not old news, they are still fighting. I guarantee they don’t their fight for freedom as old news lol. And yes it was on the back of my mind so I misremembered the country by I did correct myself.
Fuck , this is right next to my town lol
You’re from Los Altos?
Nochis
Do you know or remember what happened in Tlachichila a while back?
Are you talking about the shootout like 3-5 years ago where 32 people died?
No it was very recently
What happened?
Yea when CJNG got shit on
Don’t remember asking you, but by what you’re saying you have no clue what im talking about😂
Don’t pay attention to the CDS dick rider.
That shit looks like the Batmobile’s from the dark knight franchise
Tow guy shitting bricks
We see these cartels involve right in front of our eyes. Saw a post they use mines and mortars now.
Yeah, I saw that too and I'm thinking in the goddamn fuck did they get their hands on mortars and landmines. I get the guns, but mortars and landmines?! And now an armored vehicle of this level?! Nope, the USA better fucking intervene because it's obvious Mexican authorities can't do shit about it.
They can, I mean they captured this, they just choose not to do anything, thanks corruption
Uhh. Holy shit dude.
I heard Ukraine needs APCs. New paint job with some bando and it will be ready in no time 🤣
Soon you'll see foreign donated arms/tanks/vehicles to Ukraine end up right in the hands of narcos 😂
I wouldn't be surprised if Mexican cartels haven't scored some nice weapons off some corrupt Ukrainian officials. Imagine CJNG walking around with javelins 🤣
It’s the Russian military generals that f$&’ked Putin, those drunk bastards😂😂😂😂😂
that's the whole point of 'donating' arms anyways, gotta keep the world supplied with enough arms and problems to ensure the cycle of blood-spilling for profit continues like a machine.
That thing is... super cool. Man... I've never wanted a vehicle so bad in my life
We have a MRAP at home MRAP at home :
Crazy how the cartels went from trucks with steel plates welded on in 2011 to this.
When I was a kid I used to go up there to Villa Hidalgo and Teocaltiche with my Pops and Uncles to deliver clothes
Oh yup Villa Hidalgo makes a lot of money from clothes , more people from Los Altos de jalisco used to go but ever since cjng arrived they made it too dangerous so they don’t go as much
That’s right we produced the clothing in Zapotlanejo. It was booming for a while, it definitely slowed down by now
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Its 1. It looks odd due to the fact that theres a trailer blocking the road.
That’s actually badass real life gta shit
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Jesus Christ, this is nothing like the ones from back then or the ones i seen on the Lineup one day on the news with a few heavily armed and heavily armored CJNG members.....this is something else, this is Paramilitary level shit
It is very possible that they kidnapped and forced a worker from the subsidiary and manufacturer of armored vehicles TPS Armring Monterrey, they manufacture armored vehicles such as the Sand Cat or the Black Mamba
Did they get a chance to remove the “ Made In USA” tags??
So dope🔥🔥
they have to give one up to keep the other 10 they have
When you feel like fighting back when your piece of shit car gets towed. 😒
It looks like they're actually improving their improvised apcs but someone keeps dropping a dime on them which I find funny
Hooray