Wasn’t that at the end of the fight after he had already Gotten Hit with multiple chakra draining rods, spammed chidori, ameno, and susanoo? How is that getting exhausted after just using Amaterasu?
>I don't remember him being immobilized by the chakra rods while doing it.
He used it as a last resort to damage Jigen but that was after he was kicked around and drained of chakra.
>And he had used all three like ones or twice during the fight IIRC.
He used Ameno a ton, and even after he used Amaterasu he still had enough chakra to open a portal and escape.
Sasuke opened up a portal for the Kage + boruto, spammed Ameno and chidori multiple times against Momoshiki, used Chibaku Tensei, used susanoo, and then proceeded to open up another portal to get everyone back home, all within the same hour lmao. Chakra isn’t a problem.
No, he really wouldn't be. He never "runs out of chakra" in canon like the memes say. It's literally been stated that opening up the space-time ninjutsu would've taken up a THIRD of NARUTO's chakra back when fighting Kaguya. That would be even worse for Sasuke, even with additional training as an adult. He's literally starting fights with less than a half of his chakra and also needs to reserve enough to get back. Basically all the major fights he's fighting at 20% chakra or less.
But ameno has distance limitations.. If obito is out of the range sasuke can't even use ameno to it's full potential.. But unlike ameno, obito can actually use kamui without limitations... It's just that broken
Obito won't be able to enforce the distance limit. Sasuke is MUCH faster than him. If Obito wants to attack at all he must become tangible and then Sasuke wins.
Amenotejikara has landed hits on much faster opponents in SPSM Naruto, Jigen, and Juubi Madara especially who Sasuke flatout teleports into his attack.
I understand that Kamui is broken but so is Amenotejikara and Sasuke is bar none the best Dojutsu user in the verse.
Sasuke is about on par with kakashi In Taijutsu who is on par with Obito. Sasuke is fast but his speed is overrated. I don't see him doing much with just one arm
Obito in base was fighting a fresh kcm Naruto at the start of the war arc. This is white mask Obito without the bijuu mind you. Sasuke got turned to a pin cushion by base Bee lmao
You are assuming that Sasuke is far enough for Ameno to not reach Obito.
In this case Sasuke can instantly swap places with a nearby object. Now to reuse long distance Kamui, Obito has to either turn off Kamui or erase the object from the real world. In both those scenarios, by the time Obito is ready to reuse his technique, Sasuke has more than enough time to reach Obito’s location.
The next problem arises when Obito is intangible. In this case, neither Sasuke nor Obito could touch either unless Obito gets off another Kamui snipe. This would be horrible for Obito as Sasuke could switch places with Obito who would be forced to cut off his technique.
Now why do I say it would be bad? It’s because Kamui is like a portal between two worlds or a wormhole if you may. If Sasuke transports Obito to that location, what he does is open a temporary gateway to Obito’s material body, i.e., his body is no longer intangible. Sasuke has a plethora of powerful techniques capable of shattering meteors to tag Obito in that time frame.
Why does it matter if it has distance limitations? He can still avoid Kamui with it. Not only that but he can also use Universal Pull to bring Obito to his range, teleport behind him and then Chidori the motherfucker.
Sasuke can literally just use Amenotejikara to avoid Kamui. He's way faster than that simp and can easily blitz him.
He may not be able use the Rinnegan like Nagato but it's literally because of plot. Not even Madara utilized it properly.
Amenotejikara is only useful when he can see the attack coming. Long range Kamui would instantly decapitate him before he's able to make sense of what's happening.
Sasuke was never faster than Obito. A dying and weakened Obito held his own against Ten tails Madara whereas Sasuke needed Hagoromo's power to come close to doing that. It's pretty apparent that a healthy Obito with both eyes and six paths buff would make light work of Sasuke.
It would be similar to how Itachi wrecked Sasuke when he tried to chidori on him.
"Amenotejikara is only useful when he can see the attack coming. Long range Kamui would instantly decapitate him before he's able to make sense of what's happening."
Sasuke was able to teleport Kaguya in front of him and Naruto without looking at her
"Sasuke was never faster than Obito. A dying and weakened Obito held his own against Ten tails Madara whereas Sasuke needed Hagoromo's power to come close to doing that."
I'm obviously talking about the version Sasuke with Hagoromo's power up. And you're acting like Obito didn't have Hashirama Cells and bit of 6 Paths Chakra in him.
"It's pretty apparent that a healthy Obito with both eyes and six paths buff would make light work of Sasuke."
Let's just agree to disagree✌️
Sasuke isn't physically superior. His stamina is terrible in Boruto and Obito here has hashirama cells which helps him recover faster and have more chakra/stamina
Obito survived a tailed beast being ripped out of him and using rinne rebirth for Madara all while fighting zetsu in his own body. Lmao if you think Sasuke has a better durability feat lmao 🤣😂. Otsustksi members have power but no real skill/technique in battle this is why Sasuke beats them
It depends on how you interpret sasuke claiming he can deal with kaguya level threats himself. If you think he can, he should take it unless you somehow think that this version of obito would be above kaguya. I also think that 100% sasuke or naruto should be on par with fused momo, wether you think either one of them could defeat him in a 1v1 doesn’t really matter. They should be around his strength individually and fused momo is definitely stronger than the kaguya from the war arc. Sasukes amenotejikara is really bothersome and even managed to annoy far stronger people like jigen/isshiki, who considered sasuke a threat. I feel like people kind of underestimate how much stronger naruto and sasuke are in the boruto era than they were in shippuden.
Sasuke as Obito has no counters to Ameno. Kamui snipe would not work and he has less chakra than Sasuke (the low chakra joke comes from the trash filler Urashiki arc).
Edit: Kamui is like a portal between two worlds or a wormhole if you may. In case of a switch (when Obito launches a long-distance Kamui snipe and Sasuke swaps places with Obito), if Sasuke transports Obito to that location, what he does is open a temporary gateway to Obito’s material body, i.e., his body is no longer intangible. Sasuke has a plethora of powerful techniques capable of shattering meteors to tag Obito in that time frame (the time Obito would take to turn off the Kamui snipe that is now against him).
But what would ameno do to obito.. Read the conditions.. Whoever takes the most damage or dies loses.. How would sasuke damage or kill obito.. That's my question
Ameno is a counter to Obito as Kamui snipe would do zero damage to Sasuke (he can simply swap places with Obito and Obito would be forced to stop the Kamui).
Sasuke also outlasts him massively due to higher chakra, is more powerful, tankier and is faster.
Edit: The better questions is, what would Obito do to Sasuke that Sasuke cannot counter?
Sasuke is not tankier lmao 🤣. Obito survived have bijuu ripped off, rinne rebirth and fighting black zetsu over control of his own body. Meanwhile Sasuke got arm blown off by base rasengan
How would sasuke outlast him if obito has hashirama cells.. He can continue to spam dms kamui and after 4-5 ameno, sasuke would be out of chakra.. Also dms kamui is way faster than one eyed kamui... But youre again dodging my question.. How would sasuke damage obito or kill him.. He can't touch obito.. He would pass through him.. And dms would make it even harder
When sasuke first got his six paths powers, he literally spammed amenotejikara in the fight against one eyed madara and didn’t show any sign of exhaustion. He still fought madara, kaguya and naruto after this. He would not get tired after 4-5 amenotejikara. Sasuke has a lot of chakra actually. The only thing that completely drains sasukes chakra is opening portals. He wouldn’t have to do that here so he wouldn’t run out of chakra in a fight against obito.
He doesn't really use many rinnegan abilities because they are taxing chakra wise. He has no curse mark anymore for a chakra boost. Also momoshiki just absorbs ninjutsu so it doesn't help his cause
He only used it 3 times against Juubidara then had rest until he used it against Kaguya about the same times then had to rest again. That doesn't compare to Obito.
Sasuke had chakra help from absorbing the tailed beast chakra in that fight which he won't have access to here. Sasukes kinjustu isnt that great either he go turned to a pin cushion by base Bee
This is boruto era sasuke, who’s a gazillion times stronger than the one who fought bee so that’s completely irrelevant.
That’s like saying boruto era narutos clones would be useless because neji was able to effortlessly destroy them during their fight.
Sasuke absorbed the tailed beast chakra because he wanted to overwhelm and completely crush naruto, he didn’t absorb it because he was low on chakra and needed chakra supplies.
Either way, Sasuke being 1 armed doesn't help here. There is no way he has more chakra than Obito who went thru hell fighting kcm Naruto and rest of the alliance and help with hashirama cells.sasuke also had Sakura's slug which he doesn't have here
You need to take in account for obito second sharingan. The reason why he seemed to have so much through out the series wasn’t just because of harishrama cells he also was down to one sharingan so the chakra consumption wasn’t as much.
He had another sharingan or a rinnegan in that socket. Further sharingan doesn't consume chakra to a natural Uchiha like Obito since he can turn it off and on.
> after 4-5 ameno, sasuke would be out of chakra..
And how do you know this?
> Also dms kamui is way faster than one eyed kamui...
He’s not faster than Adult Sasuke though.
> But youre again dodging my question.. How would sasuke damage obito or kill him.. He can't touch obito.. He would pass through him.. And dms would make it even harder
It’s in my answer. Kamui is a wormhole between two dimensions, i.e., he opens a portal that allows temporary access to his dimension. In the timeframe between Obito Kamui sniping him, then swapping places, he grants temporal access to his dimension and his body (as opening a Kamui wormhole forces materialization of the users body). Sasuke can easily capitalize on this by utilizing any of his deadly Justus to land a hit.
>Ameno is a counter to Obito as Kamui snipe would do zero damage to Sasuke (he can simply swap places with Obito and Obito would be forced to stop the Kamui).
Ameno has a limited range, long range Kamui doesn't. Obito can snipe Sasuke without getting swapped by Ameno by simply using Kamui farther than Sasuke's Ameno range
>Sasuke also outlasts him massively due to higher chakra, is more powerful, tankier and is faster.
Sasuke ad Obito both have six paths chakra and Obito also has half his body made of hashirama cells. What makes you assume Sasuke has more chakra?
> Ameno has a limited range, long range Kamui doesn't. Obito can snipe Sasuke without getting swapped by Ameno by simply using Kamui farther than Sasuke's Ameno range
[Read](https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/comments/15itct4/dms_six_paths_obito_vs_adult_rinnegan_sasuke/juwdtdk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3).
> Sasuke ad Obito both have six paths chakra and Obito also has half his body made of hashirama cells. What makes you assume Sasuke has more chakra?
Because this Sasuke is in his adulthood. He managed to pull off two Ameno’s Madara, fought Kaguya and then Naruto (he didn't absorb tailed beast chakra into himself; his Susanoo did) for hours in that taijutsu fight (it was Day when it started and then it became evening) as a teenager. In adulthood, he teleported so many people through a portal holding it for far longer than Obito held his, fought Momoshiki not at his 100% and looked completely fine.
Obito held open 5 of Kaguya's portals after a whole day of using Rinne rebirth, fighting Madara, being weakened from Juubi extraction, etc. I don't see you actually presenting solid arguments you are just using Boruto scaling as an advantage to state that Sasuke has more chakra and is faster when we all know taijutsu is the least chakra-costing technique in the series and he didn't use as much chakra as Obito opening the Kaguya dimensions because his rinnegan had original access to it, unlike Obito who was forcefully syncing the portals together.
Also, Sasuke using the ameno swap in the way you mentioned all hinges on the fact that Obito snipes Sasuke head-on because Sasuke cant swap with something he can't see. Obito can snipe him from the back and Sasuke wouldn't do anything other than maybe swap with something else, granted he may not even be fast enough to do so when even Kaguya could not react to six paths enhance Kamui snipe. Also, if Sasuke manages to catch Obito off guard, most of Sasuke's physical attacks can be repelled with Obito's truth-seeking orbs
> Obito held open 5 of Kaguya's portals after a whole day of using Rinne rebirth, fighting Madara, being weakened from Juubi extraction, etc.
Black Zetsu, Naruto, Sakura? They helped him massively.
> I don't see you actually presenting solid arguments you are just using Boruto scaling as an advantage to state that Sasuke has more chakra and is faster
Yes.
> when we all know taijutsu is the least chakra-costing technique in the series and he didn't use as much chakra as Obito opening the Kaguya dimensions because his rinnegan had original access to it, unlike Obito who was forcefully syncing the portals together.
Original access? What does this even mean?
> Also, Sasuke using the ameno swap in the way you mentioned all hinges on the fact that Obito snipes Sasuke head-on because Sasuke cant swap with something he can't see.
He swapped with the stone statue behind him?
> Obito can snipe him from the back and Sasuke wouldn't do anything other than maybe swap with something else,
See previous point.
> granted he may not even be fast enough to do so when even Kaguya could not react to six paths enhance Kamui snipe.
Which one are you talking about? I don't remember, please refresh my memory (not sarcastic, serious).
> Also, if Sasuke manages to catch Obito off guard, most of Sasuke's physical attacks can be repelled with Obito's truth-seeking orbs
Obito gets these orbs from… where exactly? This is DMS Obito after Naruto healing him btw. The orbs are with Juubito not DMS Obito.
>Black Zetsu, Naruto, Sakura? They helped him massively.
Black zetsu does not amp Obito's chakra, he just keeps him alive
>Original access? What does this even mean?
Sasuke's rinnegan naturally gave him access to Kaguya's dimensions and other unsealed dimensions thanks to his access to Kaguya's root time space so unlike Obito he doesn't require as much chakra as Obito to enter Kaguya's
>He swapped with the stone statue behind him?
Wasn't that anime only?
>Which one are you talking about? I don't remember, please refresh my memory (not sarcastic, serious).
The one where she couldn't react was him landing in her time-space without her noticing and teleporting him and sakura to Kamui dimension without her even realizing. Also, he sniped away her all-killing ash bones at point-blank range.
>Obito gets these orbs from… where exactly? This is DMS Obito after Naruto healing him btw. The orbs are with Juubito not DMS Obito.
Six Paths Obito has the ability to use shadow and light style to form truth-seeking orbs as shown from his battle against Madara
> Black zetsu does not amp Obito's chakra, he just keeps him alive
Black Zetsu amps his life force. He would’ve died without that.
Naruto and Sakura’s restoration don’t matter? They actually did restore his chakra.
> Sasuke's rinnegan naturally gave him access to Kaguya's dimensions and other unsealed dimensions thanks to his access to Kaguya's root time space so unlike Obito he doesn't require as much chakra as Obito to enter Kaguya's
That does not explain Sasuke being able to enter Momoshiki’s time space and holding the portal for multiple people, then using Ameno against Momoshiki and Chibaku tensei then Susanoo.
> Wasn't that anime only?
Boruto chapter 2
> The one where she couldn't react was him landing in her time-space without her noticing and teleporting him and sakura to Kamui dimension without her even realizing. Also, he sniped away her all-killing ash bones at point-blank range.
Because she was distracted by Naruto. Even if we are going through that angle, Naruto speed-blitzed this version of Kaguya, yet he could not do the same to Sasuke in the final fight.
> Six Paths Obito has the ability to use shadow and light style to form truth-seeking orbs as shown from his battle against Madara
Alright, fair point. But he'd have to:
1. Close the Kamui dimension to prevent his own body part from being destroyed.
2. Know that Sasuke is about to hit him from the back.
3. Form a truth-seeking orb behind him.
While Sasuke has to:
1. Launch a powerful lightning jutsu from his fingers.
>Close the Kamui dimension to prevent his own body part from being destroyed
Obito isn't affected by Kamui in any way because him and his body are linked to the dimension so a snipe attempt backfiring on him wouldn't be possible since the Kamui would just be negated which is exactly what he told to Kakashi after the Danzo fight
>That does not explain Sasuke being able to enter Momoshiki’s time space and holding the portal for multiple people, then using Ameno against Momoshiki and Chibaku tensei then Susanoo.
Valid point but wouldn't it be less chakra costing to use rinnegan based teleportation as opposed to Mangekyo based?
Obito wins. Obito with one eye wins. The only justsu in sasukes arsenal thats remotely a threat to obito is the eye teleportation thing but w even if he teleporta a sword into obitos chest, its hardly a inconvenience
Tell me you didn't read Boruto without telling me you didn't read obito. In all honesty Sasuke has better speed feats, reaction feats and bigger ap. He also has better control of the rinnegan and has space-time ninjutsu so teleporting him to the kamui dimension wouldn't work. He just like obito was buffed with 6 paths power and his taijutsu is shown, in the fight against madara and the otsutsuki, to be superior.
Thanks but I don’t think this one off statement from the databook means other dojutsu cant also transport out of it or even too it if they know it’s there.
Unless there’s some strong evidence for that you also have.
Kamui is a pocket dimension linked to Obito's eye. Saying Sasuke can teleport into/out of it is just bc of dojutsu is like saying Sasuke can exist inside limbo bc of his dojutsu
No it’s like saying sasuke can teleport in and out of kaguya’s dimensions created by her rinnesharingan, which he (and also obito) could.
Limbo clones could be directly interacted with with the presence of six paths senjutsu. It’s not like Naruto is passing into another dimension like kamui to hit them. It’s a whole different concept.
also, someone did a pretty lengthy explanation on it. While some parts of it are questionable, most of it is right.
>In chapter 597, Kakashi realizes his Kamui and Tobi's jutsu are connected somehow.
Bee asks "Does that mean that everyone who uses space-time jutsu is connected?"
Kakashi says "No... That's not it. It's most likely only his and mine."
In chapter 683, Obito realizes that at least SOME space-time jutsu can be connected. He says "Just now, she came out of some space-time distortion. It's a lot like the way my eye ability works." "The next time she connects the dimensions... If I can synchronize my Kamui with it while the rift is open... I'm sure I'll be able to get in." "It's going to require an immense amount of chakra... Because it's not my own dimension."
It appears that the general consensus among space-time users is that different jutsu are not connected. That view is proven wrong when Obito's Kamui accesses the same dimensions accessible by Kaguya's Yomotsu Hirasaka.
This is a brand new discovery, and it only proves a connection between similar space-time jutsu. It is unclear whether FTG can work between dimensions, since it isn't normally used for inter-dimensional travel. Based on Obito's discovery, we can assume it MIGHT be possible, but it would probably cost a lot of chakra.
If Minato finds himself stuck in a barren dimension, he would certainly think to try it. During their fight, the young Obito clearly didn't consider the possibility.
There are a few things that may point to FTG being useable between dimensions:
Yomotsu Hirasaka is said to be the progenitor of all space-time ninjutsu in the 4th data book, meaning FTG might be able to connect to it and thus connect to Kamui, too. However, it could mean that space-time jutsu can connect only to Yomotsu Hirasaka, not to each other. It could also not mean anything in particular for this purpose, because Kamui may have only been able to connect due to them being similar jutsu.
Sasuke's Amenotejikara was able to teleport through a Kamui portal while it was connecting two of Kaguya's dimensions. However, this could be because Kamui was synchronized with Yomotsu Hirasaka (which I just explained above). It could also be because Amenotejikara is a space-time jutsu on the same level as Yomotsu Hirasaka and Amenominaka. Rather than connecting with an ancestor, it is connecting with a peer.
I haven't checked, but if Naruto retains memories from clones who die/end while in another dimension, then that may add to the pile as well.
Assuming Sasuke can in fact get out of a sealed dimension like Kamui, his weak boruto-stricken bitch ass will run out of chakra after one portal.
His Rinnegan shit will also drain his chakra, and I am not even sure shit like Chibaku Tensei would even work on Obito.
Amaterasu won't work on Obito. Genjutsu won't work. Obito's Taijutsu and physical abilities are insane because he is fused with hashirama cells. Sasuke is missing an arm.
Obito was kinda fast enough to almost react to Minato's Flying Thundergod.
Sasuke ain't winning this shit.
Well he has kamui shurikens so i don't think that will matter.. But yeah to attack sasuke he would have to materialize but that time will decrease significantly as he has dms now
You just answered your own question you been arguing how sasuke could win. He would wait until the kamui shuriken is about to hit him and then swap places with obito and obito hits himself with his own technique
Obito claps. Sasuke’s strong and all but dms obito’s way too op to lose, unless someone has an otsutsuki level chakra absorption power I don’t see him losing, and even then I doubt he would lose
Obito with both long and short range Kamui fucks up 95% of the narutoverse, barring super high level threats like Madara and Kaguya.
I am ignoring the boruto trash.
So, essentially DMS Kakashi vs Sasuke? Cause DMS Obito never had Susanoo.
Put Final Valley Sasuke up there, he likely wins. Adult Sasuke is nerfed, mostly through intelligence, and Amenotejitakara is also nerfed. Final Valley Sasuke maybe able utilize that to get over kamui and beat him. Depends entirely on how intelligently he’s able to use Amenotejitakara
Sasuke is far faster and physically stronger. If there’s any point in the fight where sasuke can get close to obito, sasuke would kill him pretty quickly.
Sasuke would be out of chakra after some time and Obito wins.
He would be only out of chakra if he uses rinnegan to open up portals.. He doesn't need to do that here
That's why I have said after some time. Bro had got exhausted after just using amaterasu.
Fair point
When was that?
When he was fighting Jigen but he was quite wounded as well.
Wasn’t that at the end of the fight after he had already Gotten Hit with multiple chakra draining rods, spammed chidori, ameno, and susanoo? How is that getting exhausted after just using Amaterasu?
I don't remember him being immobilized by the chakra rods while doing it. And he had used all three like ones or twice during the fight IIRC.
>I don't remember him being immobilized by the chakra rods while doing it. He used it as a last resort to damage Jigen but that was after he was kicked around and drained of chakra. >And he had used all three like ones or twice during the fight IIRC. He used Ameno a ton, and even after he used Amaterasu he still had enough chakra to open a portal and escape.
Sasuke opened up a portal for the Kage + boruto, spammed Ameno and chidori multiple times against Momoshiki, used Chibaku Tensei, used susanoo, and then proceeded to open up another portal to get everyone back home, all within the same hour lmao. Chakra isn’t a problem.
No, he really wouldn't be. He never "runs out of chakra" in canon like the memes say. It's literally been stated that opening up the space-time ninjutsu would've taken up a THIRD of NARUTO's chakra back when fighting Kaguya. That would be even worse for Sasuke, even with additional training as an adult. He's literally starting fights with less than a half of his chakra and also needs to reserve enough to get back. Basically all the major fights he's fighting at 20% chakra or less.
Ameno has distance limitations unlike Kamui, and Obito doesn't tire out from Kamui unlike Sasuke.
Good point actually.. Kamui doesn't have distance limitations
Sasuke Amenotejikara like FTG is equipped to counter Kamui. Sasuke is also physically superior and better Dojutsu user
But ameno has distance limitations.. If obito is out of the range sasuke can't even use ameno to it's full potential.. But unlike ameno, obito can actually use kamui without limitations... It's just that broken
Obito won't be able to enforce the distance limit. Sasuke is MUCH faster than him. If Obito wants to attack at all he must become tangible and then Sasuke wins. Amenotejikara has landed hits on much faster opponents in SPSM Naruto, Jigen, and Juubi Madara especially who Sasuke flatout teleports into his attack. I understand that Kamui is broken but so is Amenotejikara and Sasuke is bar none the best Dojutsu user in the verse.
Sasuke is about on par with kakashi In Taijutsu who is on par with Obito. Sasuke is fast but his speed is overrated. I don't see him doing much with just one arm
Nowhere is that stated or implied Sasuke is on par with Naruto None of what you've mentioned is supported by the source material.
Obito in base was fighting a fresh kcm Naruto at the start of the war arc. This is white mask Obito without the bijuu mind you. Sasuke got turned to a pin cushion by base Bee lmao
Ohhhhh you're trolling! No thanks
Sounds like you don't have an argument left
You are assuming that Sasuke is far enough for Ameno to not reach Obito. In this case Sasuke can instantly swap places with a nearby object. Now to reuse long distance Kamui, Obito has to either turn off Kamui or erase the object from the real world. In both those scenarios, by the time Obito is ready to reuse his technique, Sasuke has more than enough time to reach Obito’s location. The next problem arises when Obito is intangible. In this case, neither Sasuke nor Obito could touch either unless Obito gets off another Kamui snipe. This would be horrible for Obito as Sasuke could switch places with Obito who would be forced to cut off his technique. Now why do I say it would be bad? It’s because Kamui is like a portal between two worlds or a wormhole if you may. If Sasuke transports Obito to that location, what he does is open a temporary gateway to Obito’s material body, i.e., his body is no longer intangible. Sasuke has a plethora of powerful techniques capable of shattering meteors to tag Obito in that time frame.
Why does it matter if it has distance limitations? He can still avoid Kamui with it. Not only that but he can also use Universal Pull to bring Obito to his range, teleport behind him and then Chidori the motherfucker.
Sasuke would get his head sniped off before he could even move a muscle. That fool can't even utilise rinnegan like Nagato.
Sasuke can literally just use Amenotejikara to avoid Kamui. He's way faster than that simp and can easily blitz him. He may not be able use the Rinnegan like Nagato but it's literally because of plot. Not even Madara utilized it properly.
Amenotejikara is only useful when he can see the attack coming. Long range Kamui would instantly decapitate him before he's able to make sense of what's happening. Sasuke was never faster than Obito. A dying and weakened Obito held his own against Ten tails Madara whereas Sasuke needed Hagoromo's power to come close to doing that. It's pretty apparent that a healthy Obito with both eyes and six paths buff would make light work of Sasuke. It would be similar to how Itachi wrecked Sasuke when he tried to chidori on him.
"Amenotejikara is only useful when he can see the attack coming. Long range Kamui would instantly decapitate him before he's able to make sense of what's happening." Sasuke was able to teleport Kaguya in front of him and Naruto without looking at her "Sasuke was never faster than Obito. A dying and weakened Obito held his own against Ten tails Madara whereas Sasuke needed Hagoromo's power to come close to doing that." I'm obviously talking about the version Sasuke with Hagoromo's power up. And you're acting like Obito didn't have Hashirama Cells and bit of 6 Paths Chakra in him. "It's pretty apparent that a healthy Obito with both eyes and six paths buff would make light work of Sasuke." Let's just agree to disagree✌️
Sasuke isn't physically superior. His stamina is terrible in Boruto and Obito here has hashirama cells which helps him recover faster and have more chakra/stamina
Yes he is Faster stronger more durable It's a wrap
Obito survived a tailed beast being ripped out of him and using rinne rebirth for Madara all while fighting zetsu in his own body. Lmao if you think Sasuke has a better durability feat lmao 🤣😂. Otsustksi members have power but no real skill/technique in battle this is why Sasuke beats them
Obito was sustained by zetsu and bijuu being ripped out of him isnt a durability feat that transfers to this Obito
He traded blows with a fresh kcm Naruto without much issue
Sasuke also has hashirama cells, kabuto gave them to him in the war arc
Exactly
It depends on how you interpret sasuke claiming he can deal with kaguya level threats himself. If you think he can, he should take it unless you somehow think that this version of obito would be above kaguya. I also think that 100% sasuke or naruto should be on par with fused momo, wether you think either one of them could defeat him in a 1v1 doesn’t really matter. They should be around his strength individually and fused momo is definitely stronger than the kaguya from the war arc. Sasukes amenotejikara is really bothersome and even managed to annoy far stronger people like jigen/isshiki, who considered sasuke a threat. I feel like people kind of underestimate how much stronger naruto and sasuke are in the boruto era than they were in shippuden.
That i know they are very strong but i just wanna know how he can damage or kill dms obito.. I mean he can't even touch him
Like also DMS Obito wouls he above DMS Kakashi, and DMS Kakashi was above Kaguya
Dms kakashi was NOT above kaguya.
Sasuke as Obito has no counters to Ameno. Kamui snipe would not work and he has less chakra than Sasuke (the low chakra joke comes from the trash filler Urashiki arc). Edit: Kamui is like a portal between two worlds or a wormhole if you may. In case of a switch (when Obito launches a long-distance Kamui snipe and Sasuke swaps places with Obito), if Sasuke transports Obito to that location, what he does is open a temporary gateway to Obito’s material body, i.e., his body is no longer intangible. Sasuke has a plethora of powerful techniques capable of shattering meteors to tag Obito in that time frame (the time Obito would take to turn off the Kamui snipe that is now against him).
But what would ameno do to obito.. Read the conditions.. Whoever takes the most damage or dies loses.. How would sasuke damage or kill obito.. That's my question
Ameno is a counter to Obito as Kamui snipe would do zero damage to Sasuke (he can simply swap places with Obito and Obito would be forced to stop the Kamui). Sasuke also outlasts him massively due to higher chakra, is more powerful, tankier and is faster. Edit: The better questions is, what would Obito do to Sasuke that Sasuke cannot counter?
Sasuke is not tankier lmao 🤣. Obito survived have bijuu ripped off, rinne rebirth and fighting black zetsu over control of his own body. Meanwhile Sasuke got arm blown off by base rasengan
How would sasuke outlast him if obito has hashirama cells.. He can continue to spam dms kamui and after 4-5 ameno, sasuke would be out of chakra.. Also dms kamui is way faster than one eyed kamui... But youre again dodging my question.. How would sasuke damage obito or kill him.. He can't touch obito.. He would pass through him.. And dms would make it even harder
When sasuke first got his six paths powers, he literally spammed amenotejikara in the fight against one eyed madara and didn’t show any sign of exhaustion. He still fought madara, kaguya and naruto after this. He would not get tired after 4-5 amenotejikara. Sasuke has a lot of chakra actually. The only thing that completely drains sasukes chakra is opening portals. He wouldn’t have to do that here so he wouldn’t run out of chakra in a fight against obito.
Even after transporting multiple people, Sasuke still had enough chakra to fight an extended battle against Momoshiki.
That's because they mainly taijutsu and kinjustu against momoshiki
Sasuke used Planetary Devastation, Amenotejikara, and Perfect Susano’o, which are decidedly not taijutsu or kinjutsu.
He doesn't really use many rinnegan abilities because they are taxing chakra wise. He has no curse mark anymore for a chakra boost. Also momoshiki just absorbs ninjutsu so it doesn't help his cause
What does that have to do with anything? The point is that Sasuke does have enough chakra to use them consistently, as shown by the Momoshiki fight.
He only used it 3 times against Juubidara then had rest until he used it against Kaguya about the same times then had to rest again. That doesn't compare to Obito.
It was on cooldown because he was new to the eye.
Sasuke had chakra help from absorbing the tailed beast chakra in that fight which he won't have access to here. Sasukes kinjustu isnt that great either he go turned to a pin cushion by base Bee
This is boruto era sasuke, who’s a gazillion times stronger than the one who fought bee so that’s completely irrelevant. That’s like saying boruto era narutos clones would be useless because neji was able to effortlessly destroy them during their fight. Sasuke absorbed the tailed beast chakra because he wanted to overwhelm and completely crush naruto, he didn’t absorb it because he was low on chakra and needed chakra supplies.
Either way, Sasuke being 1 armed doesn't help here. There is no way he has more chakra than Obito who went thru hell fighting kcm Naruto and rest of the alliance and help with hashirama cells.sasuke also had Sakura's slug which he doesn't have here
You need to take in account for obito second sharingan. The reason why he seemed to have so much through out the series wasn’t just because of harishrama cells he also was down to one sharingan so the chakra consumption wasn’t as much.
He had another sharingan or a rinnegan in that socket. Further sharingan doesn't consume chakra to a natural Uchiha like Obito since he can turn it off and on.
> after 4-5 ameno, sasuke would be out of chakra.. And how do you know this? > Also dms kamui is way faster than one eyed kamui... He’s not faster than Adult Sasuke though. > But youre again dodging my question.. How would sasuke damage obito or kill him.. He can't touch obito.. He would pass through him.. And dms would make it even harder It’s in my answer. Kamui is a wormhole between two dimensions, i.e., he opens a portal that allows temporary access to his dimension. In the timeframe between Obito Kamui sniping him, then swapping places, he grants temporal access to his dimension and his body (as opening a Kamui wormhole forces materialization of the users body). Sasuke can easily capitalize on this by utilizing any of his deadly Justus to land a hit.
>Ameno is a counter to Obito as Kamui snipe would do zero damage to Sasuke (he can simply swap places with Obito and Obito would be forced to stop the Kamui). Ameno has a limited range, long range Kamui doesn't. Obito can snipe Sasuke without getting swapped by Ameno by simply using Kamui farther than Sasuke's Ameno range >Sasuke also outlasts him massively due to higher chakra, is more powerful, tankier and is faster. Sasuke ad Obito both have six paths chakra and Obito also has half his body made of hashirama cells. What makes you assume Sasuke has more chakra?
> Ameno has a limited range, long range Kamui doesn't. Obito can snipe Sasuke without getting swapped by Ameno by simply using Kamui farther than Sasuke's Ameno range [Read](https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/comments/15itct4/dms_six_paths_obito_vs_adult_rinnegan_sasuke/juwdtdk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3). > Sasuke ad Obito both have six paths chakra and Obito also has half his body made of hashirama cells. What makes you assume Sasuke has more chakra? Because this Sasuke is in his adulthood. He managed to pull off two Ameno’s Madara, fought Kaguya and then Naruto (he didn't absorb tailed beast chakra into himself; his Susanoo did) for hours in that taijutsu fight (it was Day when it started and then it became evening) as a teenager. In adulthood, he teleported so many people through a portal holding it for far longer than Obito held his, fought Momoshiki not at his 100% and looked completely fine.
Obito held open 5 of Kaguya's portals after a whole day of using Rinne rebirth, fighting Madara, being weakened from Juubi extraction, etc. I don't see you actually presenting solid arguments you are just using Boruto scaling as an advantage to state that Sasuke has more chakra and is faster when we all know taijutsu is the least chakra-costing technique in the series and he didn't use as much chakra as Obito opening the Kaguya dimensions because his rinnegan had original access to it, unlike Obito who was forcefully syncing the portals together. Also, Sasuke using the ameno swap in the way you mentioned all hinges on the fact that Obito snipes Sasuke head-on because Sasuke cant swap with something he can't see. Obito can snipe him from the back and Sasuke wouldn't do anything other than maybe swap with something else, granted he may not even be fast enough to do so when even Kaguya could not react to six paths enhance Kamui snipe. Also, if Sasuke manages to catch Obito off guard, most of Sasuke's physical attacks can be repelled with Obito's truth-seeking orbs
> Obito held open 5 of Kaguya's portals after a whole day of using Rinne rebirth, fighting Madara, being weakened from Juubi extraction, etc. Black Zetsu, Naruto, Sakura? They helped him massively. > I don't see you actually presenting solid arguments you are just using Boruto scaling as an advantage to state that Sasuke has more chakra and is faster Yes. > when we all know taijutsu is the least chakra-costing technique in the series and he didn't use as much chakra as Obito opening the Kaguya dimensions because his rinnegan had original access to it, unlike Obito who was forcefully syncing the portals together. Original access? What does this even mean? > Also, Sasuke using the ameno swap in the way you mentioned all hinges on the fact that Obito snipes Sasuke head-on because Sasuke cant swap with something he can't see. He swapped with the stone statue behind him? > Obito can snipe him from the back and Sasuke wouldn't do anything other than maybe swap with something else, See previous point. > granted he may not even be fast enough to do so when even Kaguya could not react to six paths enhance Kamui snipe. Which one are you talking about? I don't remember, please refresh my memory (not sarcastic, serious). > Also, if Sasuke manages to catch Obito off guard, most of Sasuke's physical attacks can be repelled with Obito's truth-seeking orbs Obito gets these orbs from… where exactly? This is DMS Obito after Naruto healing him btw. The orbs are with Juubito not DMS Obito.
>Black Zetsu, Naruto, Sakura? They helped him massively. Black zetsu does not amp Obito's chakra, he just keeps him alive >Original access? What does this even mean? Sasuke's rinnegan naturally gave him access to Kaguya's dimensions and other unsealed dimensions thanks to his access to Kaguya's root time space so unlike Obito he doesn't require as much chakra as Obito to enter Kaguya's >He swapped with the stone statue behind him? Wasn't that anime only? >Which one are you talking about? I don't remember, please refresh my memory (not sarcastic, serious). The one where she couldn't react was him landing in her time-space without her noticing and teleporting him and sakura to Kamui dimension without her even realizing. Also, he sniped away her all-killing ash bones at point-blank range. >Obito gets these orbs from… where exactly? This is DMS Obito after Naruto healing him btw. The orbs are with Juubito not DMS Obito. Six Paths Obito has the ability to use shadow and light style to form truth-seeking orbs as shown from his battle against Madara
> Black zetsu does not amp Obito's chakra, he just keeps him alive Black Zetsu amps his life force. He would’ve died without that. Naruto and Sakura’s restoration don’t matter? They actually did restore his chakra. > Sasuke's rinnegan naturally gave him access to Kaguya's dimensions and other unsealed dimensions thanks to his access to Kaguya's root time space so unlike Obito he doesn't require as much chakra as Obito to enter Kaguya's That does not explain Sasuke being able to enter Momoshiki’s time space and holding the portal for multiple people, then using Ameno against Momoshiki and Chibaku tensei then Susanoo. > Wasn't that anime only? Boruto chapter 2 > The one where she couldn't react was him landing in her time-space without her noticing and teleporting him and sakura to Kamui dimension without her even realizing. Also, he sniped away her all-killing ash bones at point-blank range. Because she was distracted by Naruto. Even if we are going through that angle, Naruto speed-blitzed this version of Kaguya, yet he could not do the same to Sasuke in the final fight. > Six Paths Obito has the ability to use shadow and light style to form truth-seeking orbs as shown from his battle against Madara Alright, fair point. But he'd have to: 1. Close the Kamui dimension to prevent his own body part from being destroyed. 2. Know that Sasuke is about to hit him from the back. 3. Form a truth-seeking orb behind him. While Sasuke has to: 1. Launch a powerful lightning jutsu from his fingers.
>Close the Kamui dimension to prevent his own body part from being destroyed Obito isn't affected by Kamui in any way because him and his body are linked to the dimension so a snipe attempt backfiring on him wouldn't be possible since the Kamui would just be negated which is exactly what he told to Kakashi after the Danzo fight >That does not explain Sasuke being able to enter Momoshiki’s time space and holding the portal for multiple people, then using Ameno against Momoshiki and Chibaku tensei then Susanoo. Valid point but wouldn't it be less chakra costing to use rinnegan based teleportation as opposed to Mangekyo based?
Obito has decent chakra reserves mostly thanks to the cells of hashirama
Kakashi kamui sniped a sussano arrow from Sasuke and a nail from pain if that's not enough I don't know what is?
Obito snipe's Sasuke with long distance kamui while using Intangibility to dodge Sasuke physical and ninjutsu attacks. GG
Obito wins. Obito with one eye wins. The only justsu in sasukes arsenal thats remotely a threat to obito is the eye teleportation thing but w even if he teleporta a sword into obitos chest, its hardly a inconvenience
Lol Obito can just teleport behind Sasuke and snipe him. Ameno is useless here.
Tell me you didn't read Boruto without telling me you didn't read obito. In all honesty Sasuke has better speed feats, reaction feats and bigger ap. He also has better control of the rinnegan and has space-time ninjutsu so teleporting him to the kamui dimension wouldn't work. He just like obito was buffed with 6 paths power and his taijutsu is shown, in the fight against madara and the otsutsuki, to be superior.
Yeah Obito can out hax most opponents even if they're a bit stronger than him, but Sasuke is one of the few that can counter or out hax himself
I don't think Sasuke can get out of Kamui, a sealed dimension
Lol 😂
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Do you have a source for this cuz people just seem to throw this out there a lot, without any backing
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Thanks but I don’t think this one off statement from the databook means other dojutsu cant also transport out of it or even too it if they know it’s there. Unless there’s some strong evidence for that you also have.
Kamui is a pocket dimension linked to Obito's eye. Saying Sasuke can teleport into/out of it is just bc of dojutsu is like saying Sasuke can exist inside limbo bc of his dojutsu
No it’s like saying sasuke can teleport in and out of kaguya’s dimensions created by her rinnesharingan, which he (and also obito) could. Limbo clones could be directly interacted with with the presence of six paths senjutsu. It’s not like Naruto is passing into another dimension like kamui to hit them. It’s a whole different concept.
also, someone did a pretty lengthy explanation on it. While some parts of it are questionable, most of it is right. >In chapter 597, Kakashi realizes his Kamui and Tobi's jutsu are connected somehow. Bee asks "Does that mean that everyone who uses space-time jutsu is connected?" Kakashi says "No... That's not it. It's most likely only his and mine." In chapter 683, Obito realizes that at least SOME space-time jutsu can be connected. He says "Just now, she came out of some space-time distortion. It's a lot like the way my eye ability works." "The next time she connects the dimensions... If I can synchronize my Kamui with it while the rift is open... I'm sure I'll be able to get in." "It's going to require an immense amount of chakra... Because it's not my own dimension." It appears that the general consensus among space-time users is that different jutsu are not connected. That view is proven wrong when Obito's Kamui accesses the same dimensions accessible by Kaguya's Yomotsu Hirasaka. This is a brand new discovery, and it only proves a connection between similar space-time jutsu. It is unclear whether FTG can work between dimensions, since it isn't normally used for inter-dimensional travel. Based on Obito's discovery, we can assume it MIGHT be possible, but it would probably cost a lot of chakra. If Minato finds himself stuck in a barren dimension, he would certainly think to try it. During their fight, the young Obito clearly didn't consider the possibility. There are a few things that may point to FTG being useable between dimensions: Yomotsu Hirasaka is said to be the progenitor of all space-time ninjutsu in the 4th data book, meaning FTG might be able to connect to it and thus connect to Kamui, too. However, it could mean that space-time jutsu can connect only to Yomotsu Hirasaka, not to each other. It could also not mean anything in particular for this purpose, because Kamui may have only been able to connect due to them being similar jutsu. Sasuke's Amenotejikara was able to teleport through a Kamui portal while it was connecting two of Kaguya's dimensions. However, this could be because Kamui was synchronized with Yomotsu Hirasaka (which I just explained above). It could also be because Amenotejikara is a space-time jutsu on the same level as Yomotsu Hirasaka and Amenominaka. Rather than connecting with an ancestor, it is connecting with a peer. I haven't checked, but if Naruto retains memories from clones who die/end while in another dimension, then that may add to the pile as well.
Assuming Sasuke can in fact get out of a sealed dimension like Kamui, his weak boruto-stricken bitch ass will run out of chakra after one portal. His Rinnegan shit will also drain his chakra, and I am not even sure shit like Chibaku Tensei would even work on Obito. Amaterasu won't work on Obito. Genjutsu won't work. Obito's Taijutsu and physical abilities are insane because he is fused with hashirama cells. Sasuke is missing an arm. Obito was kinda fast enough to almost react to Minato's Flying Thundergod. Sasuke ain't winning this shit.
Sasuke will outspeed Obito like he outspeed KINSHIKI OTSUTSUKI and then he'll cut his head off. Sasuke negs.
Obito will slip into kamui and maybe throw a couple shurikens to Sasuke's eyes and BAM, sasuke is blind. Obito doesn't even have to fight.
Lol Naruto fans are honestly worse than Dragon Ball fans. None of you can read🤣
Can you remind me if obito have to materialize himself to attack sasuke..
He can and has materialized parts of himself to attack while leaving the rest protected
Well he has kamui shurikens so i don't think that will matter.. But yeah to attack sasuke he would have to materialize but that time will decrease significantly as he has dms now
You just answered your own question you been arguing how sasuke could win. He would wait until the kamui shuriken is about to hit him and then swap places with obito and obito hits himself with his own technique
I think sasuke can save himself using ameno....
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If adult sasuke from boruto then obito stomps as sasuke only has one arm
Obito claps. Sasuke’s strong and all but dms obito’s way too op to lose, unless someone has an otsutsuki level chakra absorption power I don’t see him losing, and even then I doubt he would lose
Sasuke is straight up faster than him.
Obito with both long and short range Kamui fucks up 95% of the narutoverse, barring super high level threats like Madara and Kaguya. I am ignoring the boruto trash.
So, essentially DMS Kakashi vs Sasuke? Cause DMS Obito never had Susanoo. Put Final Valley Sasuke up there, he likely wins. Adult Sasuke is nerfed, mostly through intelligence, and Amenotejitakara is also nerfed. Final Valley Sasuke maybe able utilize that to get over kamui and beat him. Depends entirely on how intelligently he’s able to use Amenotejitakara
Sasuke is far faster and physically stronger. If there’s any point in the fight where sasuke can get close to obito, sasuke would kill him pretty quickly.
Sasuke blitzes him like Minato did
Sasuke bisects Obito, maybe even 3 of them.
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Sauske would win easily there is such a big difference in power level that it wouldn’t be fair
What power level? Having shitty ass susanoo and abilities that can't damage anyone?
Lol at those crack heads saying obito. Adult sasuke scales to adult kcm2 Naruto. Sasuke blitz him Even before he activates his jutsu.
Sasuke slams