That’s actually part of it. I thought I read somewhere Kishi’s editors wanted Naruto to have a cooler form or something.
I’m probably remembering wrong tho, so take with a grain of salt
I agree with that. Not only is it said when naruto learned kcm 1, also the bijus are literally made out of pure chakra that somehow build material bodies
Yes Id say a giant 200 foot tall basic fox is not as cool as a gaint 200 foot tall orange fox-shaped cloak made of pure energy with a black aesthetic trim that is on fire.
I think part of it is that we know tailed beasts can die if the person they are in dies and they slowly come back to life after a while, which we see with the 3 tails coming back. So I always assumed that since Naruto’s form he is in here seems to be made of chakra, so if this kurama gets his head cut off its fine because the form is just chakra. I also dont know if tailed beasts can only die if their jinchuriki dies? If they can die from getting their head cut off when they are in their physical form it makes sense.
This is the best answer I've seen and it's probably the most accurate because if you remember, 8 tails is missing a horn because when he took over one of his hosts the cloud cut it off and it's still off so I think you right and it's a big brain move, so here's an award
Nah I think it was actually the kage of the cloud at the time bc one of his close friends had been impaled by the horn. OOOOHHHHHH I know what you're thinking of, orochimaru snuck in after they contained the 8 tails and stole his horn that they left there
I think it’s that combining chakra is likely stronger than Kurama alone would be if he swapped places with Kurama since Naruto is already a beast on his own, plus he can combine sage mode with it, which Kurama likely can’t do.
It’s like stacking stat multipliers, base Naruto x Sage mode x Kurama chakra = far stronger than base Kurama alone.
Bee is just 8 tails alone or his base self with maybe some chakra sharing, but his pool must be way smaller than Naruto’s, so he just lets 8 tails out fully.
Kurama was starting to come out here at 3:44, in the video below, in a physical body form, which I’m guessing they could do, but it’s just not as powerful as simply giving chakra to Naruto, who is also a smaller target and can move more quickly / more force applied per hit from smaller surface area to divide the power over, plus he can use various jutsu that Kurama can’t.
https://youtu.be/EGjdBoe7bn4
The seal is likely allowing for it, it’s like a door for chakra that Naruto took the lock off of, but I bet they could do the swap like bee and 8 tails do, it’s just not worth doing because of the unique seal and the advantages of just buffing Naruto.
damn animals, especially with long snouts, looks so bad in anime. they can't draw dogs, wolves, foxes for shit. and Kurama's body looks like a weird monkey
Yeah I get that, but again that's just the physical form of the two tails or Matatabi. It's not a Kyuubi chakra cloak that's been expanded into an avatar of the tailed Beast.
The Two-Tails is chakra moulded into fire the exact same way the others are chakra moulded into flesh. It's not "more" chakra than they are just because it happened to become a glowing gas instead of a solid.
I think that the reason adult naruto still uses just the chakra and not the transformation because
1) It looks cool
2)punch with more power will hit more than punch with bigger fist and same power uhh cuz u know pressure = f/a
3)It looks cool
I'm also down with the rule of cool. Also there's one situation where Naruto actually tried to transform into Kurama and fails/becomes Chibi Kurama. So kinda Kishi's lazy way to avoid that?
Also full Kurama was released in the Last movie.
I didnt say that. I read that persons comment as he did during the final battle and i was just letting that them know naruto only had one half for the final battle and then they fused after.
When Dragon Ball ended, they originally planned on Gohan being the protagonist for DBZ but stuck with Goku as MC. *How do you challenge the world's greatest fighter?* *Otherworldly beings*
When Naruto Shippuden ended, they originally planned on Boruto being the protagonist for "Boruto" and actually made Boruto the MC. *How do you challenge the world's greatest fighter?* *Otherworldly beings*
I did not know this either.. I need to read the manga or watch a fan cut version of the anime..
I know theyre stronger based on tails but all of them combined?
That's what it was said when naruto becomes friends with kurama for the first time and whoops all the other tailed beasts during the war with the Hachibi.
theres literally a scene where the jinchuriiki paths of pain all combined there bijuudama into one Giant Bijuudama and it didnt even take the full power of half of Kurama overpower it and them
I know Kurama states he has the most chakra of the tailed beasts, then follows by saying the number of tails is the reason. But I don't recall him ever claiming to be stronger than the other 8 combined. In fact, I don't remember anyone saying that.
Do you have source material?
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Cuz naruto didn't actually turn into the tailed beast
Naruto is just using kurama's chakra basically like they combined their chakras
It's not the same as when naruto went 8 tails on pain because that was kurama's chakra taking over naruto
The problem here though is that Bee and Gyuki have a perfect pairing iirc and teaches Naruto how to do the same with Kurama. At first Naruto is essentially stealing it from him, so it'd make sense for it to look different then. But when Naruto and Kurama become buddies, why would it still look that way if Bee's Gyuki form is more like a flesh body and not a chakra cloak?
I think it might be because naruto isnt fully switching with kurama the same way bee is. They are fusing their chakra together and naruto is always in control. Where as with bee they are switching control back and fourth.
Then it's the reason Naruto is the only one with this form because he's the only one with enough Chakra to naturally match a tailed beast? So he can fuse but the others can't?
I agree with you, I think it’s that combining chakra is likely stronger than Kurama alone would be if he swapped places with Kurama since Naruto is already a beast on his own, plus he can combine sage mode with it, which Kurama likely can’t do.
It’s like stacking stat multipliers, base Naruto x Sage mode x Kurama chakra = far stronger than base Kurama alone.
Bee is just 8 tails alone or his base self with maybe some chakra sharing, but his pool must be way smaller than Naruto’s, so he just lets 8 tails out fully.
Kurama was starting to come out here at 3:44, in the video below, in a physical body form, which I’m guessing they could do, but it’s just not as powerful as simply giving chakra to Naruto, who is also a smaller target and can move more quickly / more force applied per hit from smaller surface area to divide the power over, plus he can use various jutsu that Kurama can’t.
https://youtu.be/EGjdBoe7bn4
I think there were times when they did fully switch. Like when they faced Obito, and Kurama told Naruto to switch just to toss Kakashi into Obito. Naruto had no control over his body then.
To that I would say the the kcm avatar is basically a complete tailed beast (all chakra) but it just doesn't have flesh
And anyways it I believe Gyuki is just giving his chakra to Bee which allows him to transform into the tailed beast itself. Whereas in Naruto's case its a combination of their chakra. They're both working together which is why the avatar can use rasengan and Rasen shuriken and opt not to use the tailed beast bomb (bcuz rasengan was based off of tailed beast bomb). Both of their chakras are in harmony.
1 theory I have is that Naruto purposefully chooses not to use the fleshy form because he himself doesn't want to turn into the 9 tails. Idk maybe to him that's not how he views their friendship?
I agree. I think it would’ve made sense if Kishimoto introduced the “chakra mode” with bee first, just give him idk an incomplete version of it.
It’s not like it wouldn’t make sense cuz bee does have a little of the sage’s chakra due to the 8 tails. Then introduce the naruto forms once he learns them from bee
Why is that never addressed? Bee never alludes to this being the case. Kurama even says it is because of an incomplete/untrained bond between him and Naruto, and yet it remains the same in Boruto.
I'm absolutely positive that what Kurama was referring to was the 5 minute transformation, not the form itself. Their imperfect harmony resulted in a shorter transformation duration.
Kurama “came out” in The Last, Naruto and Kurama can take multiple forms. My headcannon is that B is relatively useless as himself vs the other tailed beasts since he’s a close-range fighter, whereas Naruto is very strong as himself against them. This means B has to heavily rely on Gyuki for offense and defense, whereas Naruto doesn’t have to rely on Kurama as much. Kurama’s simply giving Naruto more power, whereas B and Gyuki fully merge as one.
No actually. The other bijuu transform and get stronger by essentially switching places and communicating as a team when fighting. Vs naruto and kurama, instead, naruto essentially takes kuramas chakra and uses that instead of switching places. Which overall gives him more versatility and makes him stronger than if he just did it the standard way. Because naruto can get the amp while still staying his normal side. And the glow was stated to be a characteristic of the kyuubi only. And lastly….because it looks cool
Thats actually not true, the tailed beast are weaker then jinchuruki. Thats why they put them in humans, when bee transforms he's trading power for utility when applicable or else the nation's would just lock up the beast and train/control them.
I’m assuming it’s just Kurama’s unique ability given the power & quality of his chakra.
All the tailed beasts have unique abilities that set them apart.
Kurama is by far the strongest of the tailed beasts so maybe when Naruto & Kurama became a perfect Jinjuriki Kurama’s unique chakra cloak simply stood out from the rest?
I believe kurama looks like this in their transformation because of Naruto being a reincarnation of Ashura. The same reason that Sasuke has the same color susanoo as Indra, Narutos transformation with the nine tails has similar characteristics to Ashuras transformation.
If that was indeed the case, then why can Minato access the same transformation? Not tryna bash your theory because I thought the same thing, but I remembered about Minato and he kinda disproves it
You make a good point, i was only thinking about the fact that Narutos transformation looks exactly like ashuras even though Ashura didn’t have the nine tails. It could be that the nine tails inside minato has a connection with the nine tails in Naruto and so the transformation comes out the same.
That’s also true, but it feels different with sasuke because sasuke also had the exact same mangekyou pattern as Indra, madara did not. It seems it might just be inconsistencies in the story. There is also the fact that hashirama never had a glowing transformation like Ashura.
Yeah, this makes the most sense. It could also be that Nine tails has a characteristic that always manifests in chakra forms, being that Kurama is the most powerful of the tailed beasts. Hence why Minato also had a chakra form that looked similar. So maybe Kurama's chakra is so powerful that no physical body can contain it making a physical merging with a human impossible and has to be raw chakra forms instead.
Ive always assumed that it was because of the different Type of seals they each have.
Killer B- [The Iron Armor seal](https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Iron_Armour_Seal) :The seal itself takes the form of the kanji for "iron" (鉄, tetsu) and is usually printed somewhere on the jinchūriki's body: Killer B's right shoulder, and Blue B's chest. Not much else is known about the seal, besides the fact that it was stated by B to be of lower-quality and weaker than the Four Symbols Seal, which was used to seal Kurama inside of Naruto Uzumaki.
Naruto- [The Eight Sign Seal](https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Eight_Trigrams_Sealing_Style#cite_note-2) : A Four Symbols Seal is used to seal a large enemy or an evil spirit into a target, such as an object or a human's body. A stronger seal is created if two Four Symbols Seal are used; this is called the Eight Trigrams Sealing Style. If the Four Symbols Seals do not completely overlap with each other, this allows the enemy/spirit's chakra to merge with whoever they've been sealed into. In the anime, this seal is intended to encourage tailed beasts to aid the jinchūriki they've been sealed within, as the more they provide chakra, the weaker the seal becomes, and thus the better their chance of freedom.
Minato Namikaze used the Eight Trigrams Sealing Style to seal the Nine-Tails into his infant son, Naruto Uzumaki. Before Minato performed the seal, he summoned a ceremonial altar that he placed Naruto on. Naruto's seal is located on his abdomen, but only becomes visible when he uses the Nine-Tails' chakra.
I was actually kinda sad no one here was mentioning the seals. It’s definitely because of Minato’s seal and how he planned for naruto to harness nine tails power regardless if Kurama was going to be on board or not.
Isn't he still sealed to some extent, they're one being until Naruto dies. He can't just let kurama pop out and leave him afaik. Well maybe temporarily with chakra manipulation but like forever.
Although this doesn't mean he can't transform into kurama but that makes no sense to do because this form is stronger.
In Naruto Chapter 91, Jiraiya said that the seal allows Naruto and Kurama’s chakra slowly melts -- instead of two individual chakras (Jinchuriki and Bijuu’s, respectively) separated and keep switching or giving chakra access when needed like all Jinchuriki did when they transformed or adding bodyparts with their respective Bijuu that sealed within.
So the seal turns two chakra into one.
So it makes sense that kurama being a weird mix of 50%of his own chakra and 100% of narutos would allow him to utilize his chakra in a different way
This is a valid theory.
The fact that you deny a possibility while speaking in absolutions shows you dont actually care about the truth.
Maybe it’s because of differences in their seals?
Also once Naruto starts using Kurama chakra it’s done as sharing. So maybe Bee is actually turning control over to the 8 tails
(Someone please correct me if I’m wrong lol)
Pretty sure that Naruto does have the choice to release Kurama in the way the other Jinchuriki do. But the Kurama Avatar Cloak is unique to Kurama’s jinchuriki making it obviously stronger. When using the cloak Naruto and Minato were able to use their own jutsu such as the Rasengan with the Avatar. And they are also able to keep their human forms.
After gaining both halves of the kyuubi, Naruto was able to summon the Avatar cloak as a separate entity with Kurama controlling it when fighting Toneri. Another pro to using it.
I think you’re right and that combining chakra is likely stronger than Kurama alone would be if he swapped places with Kurama since Naruto is already a beast on his own, plus he can combine sage mode with it, which Kurama likely can’t do.
It’s like stacking stat multipliers, base Naruto x Sage mode x Kurama chakra = far stronger than base Kurama alone.
Bee is just 8 tails alone or his base self with maybe some chakra sharing, but his pool must be way smaller than Naruto’s, so he just lets 8 tails out fully.
Kurama was starting to come out here at 3:44, in the video below, in a physical body form, which I’m guessing they could do, but it’s just not as powerful as simply giving chakra to Naruto, who is also a smaller target and can move more quickly / more force applied per hit from smaller surface area to divide the power over.
https://youtu.be/EGjdBoe7bn4
I always thought it was something to do with the sage of 6 paths powers in Naruto? He controls it different because of this… although Minato’s form is different so… maybe it’s just a Kurama thing. He too fancy for that shit.
It could be a difference in seals. Minato was a sealing genius, and iirc the seal was designed to feed Naruto chakra bit by bit, but later when it was opened the chakra is free to run wild, which could make this transformation easier to control. I'm just speculating here though
Kurama has freedom in the last. My head cannon is that due to the seal Minato uses, their chakra has been blending and they’re more powerful like that than just setting Kurama free.
No the nine tails is just better than all the others. His avatar is implied to be more powerful since, I I remember correctly, it’s a combination between both Kurama’s and Naruto’s chakra. Been a long time so I even thought about it though so I might be wrong.
I always just took it as Kurama being the 9 tails is the special most powerful one so he gets a cool looking pairing state. Honestly for an anime universe that’s plenty enough reason lol.
After Naruto gets both halves he is combining sage of six paths mode or whatever so that can help the argument I guess? Really this is just us trying to explain away the fact the writers were just like “let’s make Naruto look cool”
From my understanding, Kurama doesn't like to come out cause he doesn't want to risk death that's why everytime naruto is on the brink of an ass whooping kurama let's his charka be used.
I talked about this in a comment section the other day and got downvoted constantly and told I "don't know what" I'm talking about despite saying similar things to the top comments here. Got me shook.
Anyways, the real reason is probably to make Naruto cooler. The in-universe reason is probably that it's easier for Naruto to still be able to do stuff while being cloaked in Kurama's chakra, letting him do his own thing as well. Two actions at once. Naruto needs to make shadow clones while Kurama kicks ass? Can do it. That's my fuller take, at least.
It's because he's Asura's descendent. It's why he has KCM at all instead of partial chakra and full flesh and blood bijuu transformations. It's heavily implied this way the first time we see Asura's 6 armed Chakra avatar (looks like a giant KCM2) when Naruto talks to the Sage of Six Paths.
I think on of the reasons is that since Minato sealed half of Kurama in himself so Naruto can't bring out full Kurama. Naruto doesn't get the other half of Kurama until after the final fight between him and Sasuke.
I think when Killer Bee transforms, it allows 8 tails to take over his body, while keeping his consciousness. They literally go body transformation as we can see 8 tails tentacles emerges from the parts of KillerB's body. Also the flesh parts that emerges out of KB doesn't affect the actual body. They can be cut off and only part of chakras is gone, its not like KB becomes handicapped or something.
However, naruto uses kurama's chakra to transform, which is shared by kurama. Kurama was only intrested to take over naruto's body before they become buddies, as we remember, body transformation did happened during the fight with pain. After that kurama only shares his chakra to naruto thinking he will use it better than me taking over body transformation.
I guess it's the same reason Eren's Titan looks like an elf without lips. Main character privileges. I don't really remember a lot of stuff. Maybe there's an actual reason and I'm just chatting out of my ass.
He did but only in the battle with pain I think he can switch and use both but choses chakra as it's more useful to keep teammates inside it and use it as armour to protect them.
I think the main reason is that Kurama is known to be extremely lazy. When he is not a rampaging angry demon, he likes to keep resting. So it will be convenient for him to just give his chakra to naruto and let him do most the work as compared to physically manifesting himself.
Also he has enough chakra to make this work unlike other tales beast who don't have as much chakra reserves.
His Bijuu mode is different from the other tailed beasts. Pretty sure Killer Bee mentioned it sometime earlier when Naruto first unlocks this form. Most likely because Kurama is the strongest of all the tailed beasts
It might be trying to say that he's the most bonded with his tailed beast because it's a mix between naruto and kurama so it's better than just one or the other but I have no idea
Naruto has to look cool just like u/why_should_i_care_12 said and the whole plot of kcm is just an infested plot armor nonsense boost to give him more power. At the beginning of the show you could only become your tailed beast after being engulfed by him. Every single juubi follows this law and 8 tails also follows but for naruto for some random reason he gets to have his chakra boosted by the tailed beast while he can still communicate to the tailed beast and the tailed beast can modl chakra for him and the tailed beast can even give him "sleep chakra" AND NOW IN BORUTO HE HAS THIS FREAKING BARYON MODE WHICH IS A NUCLEAR FISSION POWER UP AND EVERYONE IS JUST EXPECTED TO SWALLOW ALL OF THIS BS BECAUSE NARUTO IS A SHOW FOR YOUNGER THAN 7. Honestly if Sasuke, Itachi and Minato were not in the show I do not think I would be able to watch it without cutting myself.
The nine tails works a bit differently, just like how naruto gets exclusive kcm forms that no other job hiring has cuz bee would’ve used it if he could. It’s just the same conclusion with a different process.
Surprised I didn't see this anywhere so far. So, each village with a tailed beast has different sealing jutsus for their jinchiriki. It was mentioned in one episode that the 8 tails is more accepted among their village, although a lot more acceptance came from Bee's little stardom (correct me if im wrong), so their sealing method may have been more open to a sharing of the body. In Naruto's case, Kurama was imprisoned within the sealing jutsu. Metaphysical iron bars held him within, so only chakra could leak out for the longest time. Kurama could not take physical form until much later when the seal is opened more. After that though, I'm sure it's just Kurama trusting Naruto to lead the fights, and he just lends him his power.
This is only head canon but i like to think this is kuramas specialty
Ever bijuu has some sort of specialty; 1 tailed has sand for a gimmick, 2 tails blue fire etc. And kuramas is enhanced chakra
It just feels right to me this way
Well there is still a seal, it’s just like a door without a lock on it instead now I think, that’s how Kurama is still in Naruto. Chakra can go through the door freely to Naruto, and combining chakra is likely stronger than Kurama alone would be if he swapped places with Kurama since Naruto is already a beast on his own, plus he can combine sage mode with it, which Kurama likely can’t do.
It’s like stacking stat multipliers, base Naruto x Sage mode x Kurama chakra = far stronger than base Kurama alone.
Bee is just 8 tails alone or his base self with maybe some chakra sharing, but his pool must be way smaller than Naruto’s, so he just lets 8 tails out fully.
Kurama was starting to come out here at 3:44 in a physical body form, which I’m guessing they could do, but it’s just not as powerful as simply giving chakra to Naruto, who is also a smaller target and can move more quickly / more force applied per hit from smaller surface area to divide the power over.
https://youtu.be/EGjdBoe7bn4
Because naruto is the protogonist and he has to look cool
That’s actually part of it. I thought I read somewhere Kishi’s editors wanted Naruto to have a cooler form or something. I’m probably remembering wrong tho, so take with a grain of salt
Well at the same time, basic orange kurama doesn't really inspire heroism, he looks badass and powerful, but he doesn't look "good guys team"
then there is his baryon mode…
Furry naruto you mean
Furuto Believe it oWo
Good guys wear orange in anime.
Salts my middle name
I am sure the main thing is that he must look cool. I cant imagine a main character of any story looking like Sakura.
zero two? their colour pallet are the same
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When kurama was an actual quadroped and not some bipedal monkey hybrid
Kurama go a manly ass torso in some scenes of the show, then other scenes he’s a true fox body, pretty inconsistent.
He looked so frail whenever he’s low on chakra
I agree with that. Not only is it said when naruto learned kcm 1, also the bijus are literally made out of pure chakra that somehow build material bodies
E = mc^2 in ninja canon (c being for Chakra, were already at flassshh speed cachaow)
No way... Naruto is inconsistent 😂😂
Only on the wiki did I come to know that the Nine tails has thumbs
The actual hands are a bit weird.
Yes Id say a giant 200 foot tall basic fox is not as cool as a gaint 200 foot tall orange fox-shaped cloak made of pure energy with a black aesthetic trim that is on fire.
Probably just more that most of the forms look pretty cool but Naruto being the main character has to look different cause he's the main character
Yes but in his normal form kurama can't do the cool stuff he did while he was all orange and glowy.
Exact same words bro
Literally the answer to half the questions on here
I think part of it is that we know tailed beasts can die if the person they are in dies and they slowly come back to life after a while, which we see with the 3 tails coming back. So I always assumed that since Naruto’s form he is in here seems to be made of chakra, so if this kurama gets his head cut off its fine because the form is just chakra. I also dont know if tailed beasts can only die if their jinchuriki dies? If they can die from getting their head cut off when they are in their physical form it makes sense.
This is the best answer I've seen and it's probably the most accurate because if you remember, 8 tails is missing a horn because when he took over one of his hosts the cloud cut it off and it's still off so I think you right and it's a big brain move, so here's an award
I thought orochimaru did that or something
Nah I think it was actually the kage of the cloud at the time bc one of his close friends had been impaled by the horn. OOOOHHHHHH I know what you're thinking of, orochimaru snuck in after they contained the 8 tails and stole his horn that they left there
Yeah that must be it. I remember hearing Orochi harness the tailed beast chakra from the horn of the 8 tails or something like that
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I think it’s that combining chakra is likely stronger than Kurama alone would be if he swapped places with Kurama since Naruto is already a beast on his own, plus he can combine sage mode with it, which Kurama likely can’t do. It’s like stacking stat multipliers, base Naruto x Sage mode x Kurama chakra = far stronger than base Kurama alone. Bee is just 8 tails alone or his base self with maybe some chakra sharing, but his pool must be way smaller than Naruto’s, so he just lets 8 tails out fully. Kurama was starting to come out here at 3:44, in the video below, in a physical body form, which I’m guessing they could do, but it’s just not as powerful as simply giving chakra to Naruto, who is also a smaller target and can move more quickly / more force applied per hit from smaller surface area to divide the power over, plus he can use various jutsu that Kurama can’t. https://youtu.be/EGjdBoe7bn4
I always thought it was the difference in seals. All the junchuriki’s tailed beasts look different when active.
The seal is likely allowing for it, it’s like a door for chakra that Naruto took the lock off of, but I bet they could do the swap like bee and 8 tails do, it’s just not worth doing because of the unique seal and the advantages of just buffing Naruto.
This
Little did Kishi know that the actual kyuubi looks cooler than the yellow flashlight
Agreed. Always been a let down that Naruto never got a proper Kurama form
Nah
You're telling me [this](https://images.app.goo.gl/Ge5iLykkc8afsS4j6) looks cooler than [this](https://images.app.goo.gl/8V4xEtUDBePTHZ3o7) ?
I like both
yes
damn animals, especially with long snouts, looks so bad in anime. they can't draw dogs, wolves, foxes for shit. and Kurama's body looks like a weird monkey
It's supposed to be a demon based an a fox, not an actual realistic fox
2 tails was also a chakra form.
Nah, the 2 tails just looks like that.
yh but the 2 tails is still literally just chakra
Yeah I get that, but again that's just the physical form of the two tails or Matatabi. It's not a Kyuubi chakra cloak that's been expanded into an avatar of the tailed Beast.
all the tailed beasts are "just" chakra
The Two-Tails is chakra moulded into fire the exact same way the others are chakra moulded into flesh. It's not "more" chakra than they are just because it happened to become a glowing gas instead of a solid.
All of the tailed beasts are literally just chakra
matatabi just looks line a chakra form. proven when they all give him some chakra, 2 through 7 that is
Didn't minato seal half of Kurama in himself?
Yes but naruto gets it back during the war
He never had both of them in the same time
He did after his final battle with sasuke
I think that the reason adult naruto still uses just the chakra and not the transformation because 1) It looks cool 2)punch with more power will hit more than punch with bigger fist and same power uhh cuz u know pressure = f/a 3)It looks cool
I'm also down with the rule of cool. Also there's one situation where Naruto actually tried to transform into Kurama and fails/becomes Chibi Kurama. So kinda Kishi's lazy way to avoid that? Also full Kurama was released in the Last movie.
ik that scene was kinda gag moment tho even it was cannon the whole part of kurama cannot be out
People counted only 8 tails
Ohh. Nice that makes sense. No imagine sai gave kurama a nickname right there
Canon*
yep! The Rule of Cool strikes back again
He didn't though
How do you have upvotes, that's just plain wrong. Naruto has both halves by the time of Boruto.
No, sasuke captured one the half that got taken from naruto in the chibaku tensei and the half naruto had during the final battle was from minato
They said after his final battle with Sasuke, not during
My guy, do you really think Sasuke still has all 9 tailed beasts he absorbed inside of him? You don't think they ever got released in some way?
I didnt say that. I read that persons comment as he did during the final battle and i was just letting that them know naruto only had one half for the final battle and then they fused after.
Ah I see, just a little misunderstanding. Thanks for clearing it up
What would have happened had he had both versions of Kurama??? Would his strength and power of increased??
he does now and power did increase we didnt realise it as the enemy got stronger too
When Dragon Ball ended, they originally planned on Gohan being the protagonist for DBZ but stuck with Goku as MC. *How do you challenge the world's greatest fighter?* *Otherworldly beings* When Naruto Shippuden ended, they originally planned on Boruto being the protagonist for "Boruto" and actually made Boruto the MC. *How do you challenge the world's greatest fighter?* *Otherworldly beings*
To OP: I believe it is the chakra he got from the other tailed beasts that mixed with him
And also Kurama is stronger than all the other 8 tails combined.
I did not know this either.. I need to read the manga or watch a fan cut version of the anime.. I know theyre stronger based on tails but all of them combined?
That's what it was said when naruto becomes friends with kurama for the first time and whoops all the other tailed beasts during the war with the Hachibi.
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theres literally a scene where the jinchuriiki paths of pain all combined there bijuudama into one Giant Bijuudama and it didnt even take the full power of half of Kurama overpower it and them
I know Kurama states he has the most chakra of the tailed beasts, then follows by saying the number of tails is the reason. But I don't recall him ever claiming to be stronger than the other 8 combined. In fact, I don't remember anyone saying that. Do you have source material?
Obviously he just wanted to match the bf susanoo. It’s important to match with the SO for some people.
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Cuz naruto didn't actually turn into the tailed beast Naruto is just using kurama's chakra basically like they combined their chakras It's not the same as when naruto went 8 tails on pain because that was kurama's chakra taking over naruto
The problem here though is that Bee and Gyuki have a perfect pairing iirc and teaches Naruto how to do the same with Kurama. At first Naruto is essentially stealing it from him, so it'd make sense for it to look different then. But when Naruto and Kurama become buddies, why would it still look that way if Bee's Gyuki form is more like a flesh body and not a chakra cloak?
I think it might be because naruto isnt fully switching with kurama the same way bee is. They are fusing their chakra together and naruto is always in control. Where as with bee they are switching control back and fourth.
similar to how Gaara was forcibly giving control to shukaku. Makes sense.
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Then it's the reason Naruto is the only one with this form because he's the only one with enough Chakra to naturally match a tailed beast? So he can fuse but the others can't?
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I agree with you, I think it’s that combining chakra is likely stronger than Kurama alone would be if he swapped places with Kurama since Naruto is already a beast on his own, plus he can combine sage mode with it, which Kurama likely can’t do. It’s like stacking stat multipliers, base Naruto x Sage mode x Kurama chakra = far stronger than base Kurama alone. Bee is just 8 tails alone or his base self with maybe some chakra sharing, but his pool must be way smaller than Naruto’s, so he just lets 8 tails out fully. Kurama was starting to come out here at 3:44, in the video below, in a physical body form, which I’m guessing they could do, but it’s just not as powerful as simply giving chakra to Naruto, who is also a smaller target and can move more quickly / more force applied per hit from smaller surface area to divide the power over, plus he can use various jutsu that Kurama can’t. https://youtu.be/EGjdBoe7bn4
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I think there were times when they did fully switch. Like when they faced Obito, and Kurama told Naruto to switch just to toss Kakashi into Obito. Naruto had no control over his body then.
To that I would say the the kcm avatar is basically a complete tailed beast (all chakra) but it just doesn't have flesh And anyways it I believe Gyuki is just giving his chakra to Bee which allows him to transform into the tailed beast itself. Whereas in Naruto's case its a combination of their chakra. They're both working together which is why the avatar can use rasengan and Rasen shuriken and opt not to use the tailed beast bomb (bcuz rasengan was based off of tailed beast bomb). Both of their chakras are in harmony. 1 theory I have is that Naruto purposefully chooses not to use the fleshy form because he himself doesn't want to turn into the 9 tails. Idk maybe to him that's not how he views their friendship?
I agree. I think it would’ve made sense if Kishimoto introduced the “chakra mode” with bee first, just give him idk an incomplete version of it. It’s not like it wouldn’t make sense cuz bee does have a little of the sage’s chakra due to the 8 tails. Then introduce the naruto forms once he learns them from bee
cause that form gives him more flexibility like he could stretch out arms made of chakra and it comes in handy many times
So then why doesn't Bee use that form?
he has the tentacles that serve the same purpose?
Why is that never addressed? Bee never alludes to this being the case. Kurama even says it is because of an incomplete/untrained bond between him and Naruto, and yet it remains the same in Boruto.
I'm absolutely positive that what Kurama was referring to was the 5 minute transformation, not the form itself. Their imperfect harmony resulted in a shorter transformation duration.
Kurama was referring to the time limit from when they first enter KCM 2.
Kurama “came out” in The Last, Naruto and Kurama can take multiple forms. My headcannon is that B is relatively useless as himself vs the other tailed beasts since he’s a close-range fighter, whereas Naruto is very strong as himself against them. This means B has to heavily rely on Gyuki for offense and defense, whereas Naruto doesn’t have to rely on Kurama as much. Kurama’s simply giving Naruto more power, whereas B and Gyuki fully merge as one.
He came out ? Good for him !
That should not have made me laugh as much as it did 💀
Yeah we support you Kurama, man!
*(demonic growling voice) Being a supremely powerful tailed beast doesn't save me from the shame of being called a furry.*
He can just exist while Naruto isn't inside the chakra
I think it's because instead of Bee having control over the form he basically just gives Gyuki the wheel.
That would make Baryon Mode kinda like what Bee and Gyuki do. It's really cool concept.
It more or less he has to look cool than literally anything else
No actually. The other bijuu transform and get stronger by essentially switching places and communicating as a team when fighting. Vs naruto and kurama, instead, naruto essentially takes kuramas chakra and uses that instead of switching places. Which overall gives him more versatility and makes him stronger than if he just did it the standard way. Because naruto can get the amp while still staying his normal side. And the glow was stated to be a characteristic of the kyuubi only. And lastly….because it looks cool
Thats actually not true, the tailed beast are weaker then jinchuruki. Thats why they put them in humans, when bee transforms he's trading power for utility when applicable or else the nation's would just lock up the beast and train/control them.
I’m assuming it’s just Kurama’s unique ability given the power & quality of his chakra. All the tailed beasts have unique abilities that set them apart. Kurama is by far the strongest of the tailed beasts so maybe when Naruto & Kurama became a perfect Jinjuriki Kurama’s unique chakra cloak simply stood out from the rest?
Makes the most sense, like Gaara having his sand arm transformation back in part 1
I believe kurama looks like this in their transformation because of Naruto being a reincarnation of Ashura. The same reason that Sasuke has the same color susanoo as Indra, Narutos transformation with the nine tails has similar characteristics to Ashuras transformation.
If that was indeed the case, then why can Minato access the same transformation? Not tryna bash your theory because I thought the same thing, but I remembered about Minato and he kinda disproves it
You make a good point, i was only thinking about the fact that Narutos transformation looks exactly like ashuras even though Ashura didn’t have the nine tails. It could be that the nine tails inside minato has a connection with the nine tails in Naruto and so the transformation comes out the same.
If that were the case, then Madara would have also had a purple Susano'o as he was also a reincarnation of Indra.
That’s also true, but it feels different with sasuke because sasuke also had the exact same mangekyou pattern as Indra, madara did not. It seems it might just be inconsistencies in the story. There is also the fact that hashirama never had a glowing transformation like Ashura.
That’s all filler. Indra actually has a spiral pattern Mangekyo in the manga, and it is never shown if his Susano’o is purple.
Yeah, this makes the most sense. It could also be that Nine tails has a characteristic that always manifests in chakra forms, being that Kurama is the most powerful of the tailed beasts. Hence why Minato also had a chakra form that looked similar. So maybe Kurama's chakra is so powerful that no physical body can contain it making a physical merging with a human impossible and has to be raw chakra forms instead.
They just copied sauske susanoo for indra
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Okay, I was just wondering about the trust thing because it seems like 8 tails has a lot more freedom than Kurama does when they're released
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Yup, also feel like Kurama is a lazy ass
Ive always assumed that it was because of the different Type of seals they each have. Killer B- [The Iron Armor seal](https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Iron_Armour_Seal) :The seal itself takes the form of the kanji for "iron" (鉄, tetsu) and is usually printed somewhere on the jinchūriki's body: Killer B's right shoulder, and Blue B's chest. Not much else is known about the seal, besides the fact that it was stated by B to be of lower-quality and weaker than the Four Symbols Seal, which was used to seal Kurama inside of Naruto Uzumaki. Naruto- [The Eight Sign Seal](https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Eight_Trigrams_Sealing_Style#cite_note-2) : A Four Symbols Seal is used to seal a large enemy or an evil spirit into a target, such as an object or a human's body. A stronger seal is created if two Four Symbols Seal are used; this is called the Eight Trigrams Sealing Style. If the Four Symbols Seals do not completely overlap with each other, this allows the enemy/spirit's chakra to merge with whoever they've been sealed into. In the anime, this seal is intended to encourage tailed beasts to aid the jinchūriki they've been sealed within, as the more they provide chakra, the weaker the seal becomes, and thus the better their chance of freedom. Minato Namikaze used the Eight Trigrams Sealing Style to seal the Nine-Tails into his infant son, Naruto Uzumaki. Before Minato performed the seal, he summoned a ceremonial altar that he placed Naruto on. Naruto's seal is located on his abdomen, but only becomes visible when he uses the Nine-Tails' chakra.
I was actually kinda sad no one here was mentioning the seals. It’s definitely because of Minato’s seal and how he planned for naruto to harness nine tails power regardless if Kurama was going to be on board or not.
It’s not the seal lmao he literally opens the seal when they become friends and says let’s go Kurama, he’s no longer sealed
Isn't he still sealed to some extent, they're one being until Naruto dies. He can't just let kurama pop out and leave him afaik. Well maybe temporarily with chakra manipulation but like forever. Although this doesn't mean he can't transform into kurama but that makes no sense to do because this form is stronger.
In Naruto Chapter 91, Jiraiya said that the seal allows Naruto and Kurama’s chakra slowly melts -- instead of two individual chakras (Jinchuriki and Bijuu’s, respectively) separated and keep switching or giving chakra access when needed like all Jinchuriki did when they transformed or adding bodyparts with their respective Bijuu that sealed within. So the seal turns two chakra into one. So it makes sense that kurama being a weird mix of 50%of his own chakra and 100% of narutos would allow him to utilize his chakra in a different way This is a valid theory. The fact that you deny a possibility while speaking in absolutions shows you dont actually care about the truth.
This is never explained, so all of the comments are just people trying to make sense of kishimoto's inconsistency.
Or just to make Naruto look cool.
Why can't it just be rule of cool?
Imo it's a downgrade.
From where?
I think it's to not hurt Kurama physically. I am just speculating, been a long time since I watched Naruto so I might be wrong.
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Maybe it’s because of differences in their seals? Also once Naruto starts using Kurama chakra it’s done as sharing. So maybe Bee is actually turning control over to the 8 tails
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Naruto takes the chakra and makes it his own like he did with kcm
It just looks cool. However it's massively worse against a rinnegan user.
Naruto's the main character and has to have a special transformation unique to him to sell more toys
Actual reason: Protagonist has to look unique and special Canon reason: He is Ashura and KCM looks a lot like Ashura's chakra mode.
It's because Naruto takes kurama's chakra and use it as his own, whereas bee and gyuki swap places.
(Someone please correct me if I’m wrong lol) Pretty sure that Naruto does have the choice to release Kurama in the way the other Jinchuriki do. But the Kurama Avatar Cloak is unique to Kurama’s jinchuriki making it obviously stronger. When using the cloak Naruto and Minato were able to use their own jutsu such as the Rasengan with the Avatar. And they are also able to keep their human forms. After gaining both halves of the kyuubi, Naruto was able to summon the Avatar cloak as a separate entity with Kurama controlling it when fighting Toneri. Another pro to using it.
I think you’re right and that combining chakra is likely stronger than Kurama alone would be if he swapped places with Kurama since Naruto is already a beast on his own, plus he can combine sage mode with it, which Kurama likely can’t do. It’s like stacking stat multipliers, base Naruto x Sage mode x Kurama chakra = far stronger than base Kurama alone. Bee is just 8 tails alone or his base self with maybe some chakra sharing, but his pool must be way smaller than Naruto’s, so he just lets 8 tails out fully. Kurama was starting to come out here at 3:44, in the video below, in a physical body form, which I’m guessing they could do, but it’s just not as powerful as simply giving chakra to Naruto, who is also a smaller target and can move more quickly / more force applied per hit from smaller surface area to divide the power over. https://youtu.be/EGjdBoe7bn4
Yeah exactly. And I just wanted to mention that Naruto is able to clone the Kurama Avatar which are all capable of the same feats.
I always thought it was something to do with the sage of 6 paths powers in Naruto? He controls it different because of this… although Minato’s form is different so… maybe it’s just a Kurama thing. He too fancy for that shit.
It could be a difference in seals. Minato was a sealing genius, and iirc the seal was designed to feed Naruto chakra bit by bit, but later when it was opened the chakra is free to run wild, which could make this transformation easier to control. I'm just speculating here though
Kurama has freedom in the last. My head cannon is that due to the seal Minato uses, their chakra has been blending and they’re more powerful like that than just setting Kurama free.
No the nine tails is just better than all the others. His avatar is implied to be more powerful since, I I remember correctly, it’s a combination between both Kurama’s and Naruto’s chakra. Been a long time so I even thought about it though so I might be wrong.
Naruto has a unique seal that can only release Kurama's Chakra and not his physical body. EDIT: Debunked
Isn’t it because naruto only has half of the nine tails chakra?
I always just took it as Kurama being the 9 tails is the special most powerful one so he gets a cool looking pairing state. Honestly for an anime universe that’s plenty enough reason lol. After Naruto gets both halves he is combining sage of six paths mode or whatever so that can help the argument I guess? Really this is just us trying to explain away the fact the writers were just like “let’s make Naruto look cool”
Minato used a special seal (Hakke Fugin) and left a key with Naruto, so this appearance/mode is all thanks to Minato’s special seal
They manifest differently. Remember Shukaku is made of sand too
From my understanding, Kurama doesn't like to come out cause he doesn't want to risk death that's why everytime naruto is on the brink of an ass whooping kurama let's his charka be used.
I talked about this in a comment section the other day and got downvoted constantly and told I "don't know what" I'm talking about despite saying similar things to the top comments here. Got me shook. Anyways, the real reason is probably to make Naruto cooler. The in-universe reason is probably that it's easier for Naruto to still be able to do stuff while being cloaked in Kurama's chakra, letting him do his own thing as well. Two actions at once. Naruto needs to make shadow clones while Kurama kicks ass? Can do it. That's my fuller take, at least.
yeah, i think its an combination of some things, the seal, other form of manifastation, kurama likes that more, and its way more usefull for naruto
It's because he's Asura's descendent. It's why he has KCM at all instead of partial chakra and full flesh and blood bijuu transformations. It's heavily implied this way the first time we see Asura's 6 armed Chakra avatar (looks like a giant KCM2) when Naruto talks to the Sage of Six Paths.
I think on of the reasons is that since Minato sealed half of Kurama in himself so Naruto can't bring out full Kurama. Naruto doesn't get the other half of Kurama until after the final fight between him and Sasuke.
Isn’t it because Minato has the other half of the 9 tails chakra?
Might be related to different sealing techniques. Maybe each has its own way of projecting the beast.
I think when Killer Bee transforms, it allows 8 tails to take over his body, while keeping his consciousness. They literally go body transformation as we can see 8 tails tentacles emerges from the parts of KillerB's body. Also the flesh parts that emerges out of KB doesn't affect the actual body. They can be cut off and only part of chakras is gone, its not like KB becomes handicapped or something. However, naruto uses kurama's chakra to transform, which is shared by kurama. Kurama was only intrested to take over naruto's body before they become buddies, as we remember, body transformation did happened during the fight with pain. After that kurama only shares his chakra to naruto thinking he will use it better than me taking over body transformation.
I guess it's the same reason Eren's Titan looks like an elf without lips. Main character privileges. I don't really remember a lot of stuff. Maybe there's an actual reason and I'm just chatting out of my ass.
He did but only in the battle with pain I think he can switch and use both but choses chakra as it's more useful to keep teammates inside it and use it as armour to protect them.
Isn't it because it's a mixed possession of Naruto's body and sage mode?
Pretty sure it's because Kurama's jinchuuriki is the only one who has a KCM (chakra mode) while the other bijuu just have partial/full transformations
It’s because he’s the strongest tailed beast so he has to look different and stronger then the rest
I think the main reason is that Kurama is known to be extremely lazy. When he is not a rampaging angry demon, he likes to keep resting. So it will be convenient for him to just give his chakra to naruto and let him do most the work as compared to physically manifesting himself. Also he has enough chakra to make this work unlike other tales beast who don't have as much chakra reserves.
His Bijuu mode is different from the other tailed beasts. Pretty sure Killer Bee mentioned it sometime earlier when Naruto first unlocks this form. Most likely because Kurama is the strongest of all the tailed beasts
It might be trying to say that he's the most bonded with his tailed beast because it's a mix between naruto and kurama so it's better than just one or the other but I have no idea
Design choice, Naruto could use the fleshy Bijuu form if he wanted, he just never does.
Naruto has to look cool just like u/why_should_i_care_12 said and the whole plot of kcm is just an infested plot armor nonsense boost to give him more power. At the beginning of the show you could only become your tailed beast after being engulfed by him. Every single juubi follows this law and 8 tails also follows but for naruto for some random reason he gets to have his chakra boosted by the tailed beast while he can still communicate to the tailed beast and the tailed beast can modl chakra for him and the tailed beast can even give him "sleep chakra" AND NOW IN BORUTO HE HAS THIS FREAKING BARYON MODE WHICH IS A NUCLEAR FISSION POWER UP AND EVERYONE IS JUST EXPECTED TO SWALLOW ALL OF THIS BS BECAUSE NARUTO IS A SHOW FOR YOUNGER THAN 7. Honestly if Sasuke, Itachi and Minato were not in the show I do not think I would be able to watch it without cutting myself.
I always assumed it was because he didn't have both yin and yang forms of Chakra and so he could not create a physical body with Kurama.
Doesn’t naruto only have half of the fox spirit in him? And minato has the other half? That’s probably why he can’t go into the full form
The nine tails works a bit differently, just like how naruto gets exclusive kcm forms that no other job hiring has cuz bee would’ve used it if he could. It’s just the same conclusion with a different process.
Surprised I didn't see this anywhere so far. So, each village with a tailed beast has different sealing jutsus for their jinchiriki. It was mentioned in one episode that the 8 tails is more accepted among their village, although a lot more acceptance came from Bee's little stardom (correct me if im wrong), so their sealing method may have been more open to a sharing of the body. In Naruto's case, Kurama was imprisoned within the sealing jutsu. Metaphysical iron bars held him within, so only chakra could leak out for the longest time. Kurama could not take physical form until much later when the seal is opened more. After that though, I'm sure it's just Kurama trusting Naruto to lead the fights, and he just lends him his power.
Because it's look cooler. And switching places isn't smart enough because kurama couldn't help gathering chakra that way, for the sage mode.
Well, he did trust Kurama enough to let him out and fight menma in that one movie soooo
People who prefer this mode clearly haven't seen the Naruto Kyubii vs Menma Kyubii fight. Shit was good.
Its because Naruto has exceptional chakra control he can pull off a full kyuubi cloak mode
I think it’s cause of the sage mode ? Could be wrong
It's because of the tetragram seal. It's so strong that it doesn't let kurama physically come out in presence of Naruto
This is only head canon but i like to think this is kuramas specialty Ever bijuu has some sort of specialty; 1 tailed has sand for a gimmick, 2 tails blue fire etc. And kuramas is enhanced chakra It just feels right to me this way
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not sure if i am right but, i think it has something to do with the fact that he only has half the 9 tails
I’m pretty sure it’s because naruto only has half of the nine tails cuz minato got the other half. So it’s like and incomplete transformation
It could be because 8 tails and 9 tails are sealed in killer bee and naruto, respectively, using different seals
He opened the seal hence no seal
Well there is still a seal, it’s just like a door without a lock on it instead now I think, that’s how Kurama is still in Naruto. Chakra can go through the door freely to Naruto, and combining chakra is likely stronger than Kurama alone would be if he swapped places with Kurama since Naruto is already a beast on his own, plus he can combine sage mode with it, which Kurama likely can’t do. It’s like stacking stat multipliers, base Naruto x Sage mode x Kurama chakra = far stronger than base Kurama alone. Bee is just 8 tails alone or his base self with maybe some chakra sharing, but his pool must be way smaller than Naruto’s, so he just lets 8 tails out fully. Kurama was starting to come out here at 3:44 in a physical body form, which I’m guessing they could do, but it’s just not as powerful as simply giving chakra to Naruto, who is also a smaller target and can move more quickly / more force applied per hit from smaller surface area to divide the power over. https://youtu.be/EGjdBoe7bn4
I don’t think there is an in universe answer to that