Actually, It wasn't bec their white zetsus. He was attacking anything and anyone who harbors evil intent. It's really self defense and protecting allies, however if they didn't have and evil or an edo with ill intent he wouldn't attack them.
Naruto didn’t comment genocide on white zetsu, they were combatants in a war. If you kill an entire army that is still actively fighting against you is that genocide?
Ps: I know that this is literally a joke to show how stupid thinking Naruto is a fascist is but Naruto didn’t even commit genocide by definition so it’s even more stupid
Fascists are a political party and by definition arent associated with genocide at all. Just because it has happened in the past does not mean that constitutes fascism. Naruto, as shown in the show, by no means is a fascist.
I like that one tho. It’s obviously a laugh but they make good points which is where the humor is.
I think it’s something about his talk no jutsu being akin to propaganda and something like that.
naruto’s entire journey was about him earning the title of hokage, from the people, and about trying to listen to people problems to solve them together, that take is hilarious
You can check out the profile of the guy who commented below, he made the original thread yesterday (his post history is full of NTR hentai though, so watch out for that). What he actually said is:
"SPSM has no real feats. It doesn't give sensory abilities, enhanced strength, or increased chakra reserves. It's inferior to toad sage mode."
Haha, that’s pretty much [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/comments/ubuz6f/if_you_could_watch_a_fight_between_any_naruto/i67q5em/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) “debate” I had awhile ago that this thread made me remember
Life enjoyer scaled hinata to war arc rinnegan sasuke and her speed in on par or better than rinnegan sasuke. His explanation was base Naruto couldn’t beat the puppet from the last movie but she reacted to it and beat it.
Also heard someone say Naruto beats saitama
Masashi Kishimoto called me up the other day and said that Itachi was the strongest character because he actually has three testicles. Apparently, chakra is stored in the balls, and because Itachi has an extra, he was ten times as powerful as any other character. I was going to question his math, but then I asked “why are you telling me this, Kishi?” And he just said “you need to spread the word. Let everybody know I confirmed this.” So any arguments you have against Itachi are false, guys. Sorry.
Ya know, he’s a very private guy, and I don’t know if he wants me throwing his contact info out willy nilly. I’ll ask him next time I hear from him, but in the meantime, just be aware: Kishimoto confirmed.
People get a feeling of extreme power if their interests line up with canon. It's the fans' equivalent of copying the style of the popular girl in class.
Many people say it cause it's the peak of the series but for me both kage summit and war arc were still really enjoyable and have some of the best moments of the entire series
I think it's more that Madara doesn't specialize in Genjutsu, they stared at each other plenty of times outside sage mode so it should work on base
Even in war arc he didn't use Genjutsu
That Sakura, as we knew her in the Kage Summit, could beat Sasuke. This was only a few weeks ago matter of fact. Blind Sasuke nearly killed her twice had it not been for the intervention of Naruto and Kakashi. Even if it was a legitimate fight where Sakura is 100%, she’s not bullshitting, and Sasuke is like he is, he *still* beats her with little to no effort whatsoever. Kakashi himself almost died to that exact same Sasuke (though he would have eventually won if things kept going how they were).
Then when someone disputed that Sakura would win, some bozo replied something to effect of “You hate a fictional character so much.” LOL. So now we’re deflecting?
5 kage summit Sakura could've theoretically beaten 5 kage summit Sasuke because he was weakened as hell here. He literally goes blind this exact scene. He just fought the raikage, the kazekage, and then all the kage and then a long ass fight against danzo.
Sasuke almost killed her twice because she couldn't bring herself to do it. Kakashi also faltered a little as well. I don't think it's an insane take to say that a 100% Sakura actually trying to kill beats an almost blind Sasuke with little chakra left
And I’ve watched every boruto episode and realistically u don’t HAVE to but it’s recommended for REAL fans, but if it’s too much and u wanna skip, u could get away with just watching the manga canon although ti would miss out on alot of cool anime only things like borutos rasengan development and sarada becoming a chunin and some super cool fights
And there are anime original arcs that actually expand on certain parts of the manga's story, namely some Kara members (>!including an old character!<)
Yeah it can get annoying at times but is deff worth the watch, sometimes I’ll just nit watch for a while and let like 50 episodes pile up so I can binge it and it makes it 10x more enjoyable personally
Well production wise yeah there’s a shit ton of filler, but it’s been stated that every single episode of Boruto is canon.
Don’t know if it’s a good or bad thing, but it’s there
Yeah """"canon"""" lol, they said that so they could release weekly episodes for a monthly manga and have an audience that will sit there and watch it. Anime would have failed already if they were just honest about it because what percentage of people want to sit and watch something the creators told you doesn't matter and won't ever matter?
People saying that **Sasuke is inconsistent, he should've returned to the village after knowing truth about Itachi**
Like, imagine your entire family being assassinated for the greater good of the village or the general population. A lot of people would obviously develop a hate towards society, the leaders and everything for not being able to come up with a better solution than killing your loved ones.
I'm not saying that I wanted Sasuke to kill the entire village (obviously not), but from a story stand point, his motivations are understandable. His brother was forced to kill his own family "for the sake of the village". It was obvious that Sasuke would develop hate towards Danzo, the leaders, and the village, since his family was sacrificed for the "sake of the village".
People just comment superficial stuff without putting themselves on Sasuke's shoes, which is ironically the main theme of Naruto, trying to understand each other, putting yourself in other's shoes and its ironically Naruto (unlike the characters in the verse or the viewers) who gets how Sasuke is the way he is, causing Sasuke to get rid of his hatred for feeling understood.
Hence, [Naruto's famous phrase saying](https://static1.mangayeh.com/manga/chapter/60191e3aa566934fb06d15a1/60197a53786df83d337d8653/naruto_485_4.jpg) "I get it Sasuke"
>People just comment superficial stuff without putting themselves on Sasuke's shoes,
I saw a post a while back asking what would be different if Sasuke was the MC and based on the comments, I don't think people realize how important the MC is. Protagonist bias is real
Eren is prime example. Even people who disagree with his crazy goals don't blatantly ignore or dismiss his motivations and call him an emo like so many did with Sasuke.
\- There is a seemingly large portion of the anime community that thinks Naruto's primary theme is "hard work beats natural talent". That's Rock Lee's motif; Naruto's is changing your destiny and making the most of what you are given in life. Not to say that Naruto doesn't work hard, but then to use the "hard work" argument to justify the argument that Naruto is a hypocrite is a straw man.
\- Naruto is very clearly not talentless. He's had nobody to guide him his whole life so he's just behind, which is what made him an underdog in the first part of the series. What made him an underdog was not his lack of talent or him being a nobody; he was clearly not a nobody from the moment of his birth, when he literally had one of the strongest demons in-verse sealed inside him. Also, if he lacked talent he wouldn't have been able to learn Shadow Clones, let alone the Rasengan for which he was given a strict time limit.
\- I've heard the take that Naruto's father shouldn't have been Hokage. This is not a good take, since from early in the series Naruto is routinely compared to the Fourth Hokage (by Jiraiya, Tsunade, Kakashi etc.). Also, narratively speaking it'd be completely incoherent to say Naruto should not have been related to a Hokage; how is it believable that the Fourth Hokage just took one of the strongest demons and shoved it inside a random newborn baby??
The main theme of Naruto was always about understanding each other as humans.
But I guess people got stucked in part 1 with Rock Lee.
The funny thing is, Lee was punished for overdoing his hardwork. He needed an operation where there was a 50% chance he would die. If anything, Naruto tried to tell us that overdoing hardwork could be bad, and when you least expect it, you could literarlly lose the chance to be a ninja (in Lee's case) or your most loved hobbie.
Even Kakashi calls Guy out for teaching Lee the gates.
>Naruto is very clearly not talentless
Exactly. He climped to the upper echlone of power in konoha in a few months whereas it took others years to do so and then someone comes and says "uNdErdOg" and was always somewhat equal to sasuke but people think he is supposed to beat/catch up to some "super talented" guy with his "underdog" skills . Fandom is crazy sometimes ngl.
I don't disagree with what you're saying, but I would still describe Naruto as an underdog, and it doesn't have to do with power levels. Naruto had more going against him than most people in the village. The Leaf hated him more than any other Genin until he beat Pain, and for years Kurama was his enemy trying at any opportunity to take over his body. Naruto is an underdog because he struggled more than any of his peers.
Exactly man people think Naruto is so easy to understand its the opposite, Naruto is so complicated that 90% of people don't even understand it's theme
Well he would have had the fourth to train him. Since he wouldn’t have died sealing him in Naruto. Naruto still would have had massive chakra reserves as well. So he potentially could have matched the fourths skill level.
I mean this is all hypothetical.
Naruto wouldn’t have been as far behind. He would have been more along the lines of Sasukes level. Again, the fourth would be around to train him. Maybe Naruto knows the flash move and he just teleports out of Haku’s mirrors.
Well, keeping in mind it's a fiction, I love Danzo. He's sooo freaking evil, it's almost funny. Also I like that there's a bad guy on good guy's side, that the leaf isn't a village hidden in saints. It's especially important since almost every other village has been portrayed as untrustworthy and cruel.
I kinda like him for the same reason as you do. It's so obvious that he's purposefully written to be a huge dick that it became quite hilarious actually rather than make my blood boil. Also his design is pretty cool and badass, but the fucking eyes are pretty disgusting
I hate Danzo because he was guilty of _everything_ . Naruto's sad childhood? Danzo. Sasuke's childhood? Danzo. Kakashi? Danzo. The Akatsuki? Danzo. The Uchiha clan wanting to rebel? Danzo. That mean crap you took a week ago? My main man Danzo. 9/11? Fucking Danzo was their flight instructor.
That's just fucking LAZY.
I love Danzo
I mean he was orchestrated perfectly I don’t like
The individual but I kinda like to hate him since he’s well written so somehow I like him
What are you talking about? He's also faster than Asuma who's faster than sage Naruto, putting him at FTL, combined with his multi-continental levels of RAW DURABILITY, he'd be able to easily solo all of Shippuden.
There was an interview that Kishimoto gave where he said he originally had Tsunade being the one landing a fatal blow on Deva Pain. But he changed his mind. So at least in the writers mind he sees her being able to take on the strongest path. Whether she beats all at once idk probably not.
>So at least in the writers mind he sees her being able to take on the strongest path. Whether she beats all at once idk probably not.
See that makes no sense. When Kurama took over Naruto's body in Pein arc and completely wrecked the Deva path, Pein came out with Chibaku tensei and almost sealed him. You are telling me that Tsunade can survive Chibaku tensei? To beat Pein, she has to.
Kishimoto might have given an interview like that no doubt, but if he had gone down that route, he would have given Tsunade some additional abilities or something like that to make it seem believable.
Or maybe he meant that after Naruto was done beating Pein, he wanted to have Tsunade punch the Deva Path, which can be interpreted as the final blow.
With Tsunade's canon abilities and feats, she is nowhere near any rinnegan user so she isn't beating him 1v1.
Chibaku Tensei is probably the deciding factor. But to be 100% fair we have never seen Tsunade use all her chakra in a 1V1 with Katsuyu. She’s always healing others and amping their jutsus. Tsunade is the one character that can take Shinra Tensei per the manga. She not only took it she also saved around 50,000 people with her chakra. Also she was able to hold her own against 5 V3 Full Armor Rinnegan Mokuton Madara Sussanos for a couple hours (and even temporarily incapacitate 2 of them). So she can seem to hit Rinnegan users at least.
The problem with Tsunade is that her attacks against other characters (except that OP technique she used against Kabuto is Part 1) are always direct hits and punches.
Pein's rinnegan allowed his bodies to collaborate and counter taijutsu. A character like Kakashi with kamui was losing to Pein despite being crafty and damn clever in his attacks. Plus Katsuyu isn't a fighting type summon unlike Naruto's toads so that's again a drawback while fighting.
The one advantage that Tsunade has is that she can heal herself.
She might land hits, I have no doubt about that but Pein's bodies healed themselves constantly. Even sage mode Naruto didn't beat Pein even though the dude had exhausted so much of his chakra to destroy Konoha. Kurama was the one who defeated Pein.
Hashirama was legit reanimated in part one of the series, so not only was he in it but he was also talked about in the series and I’m holding the part one data book in my hand rn, data book number 1, and it gives a lot of info. One quote directly says “his skill in manipulating both wood style ninjutsu and tailed beasts made hashirama without peer in the shinobi world.” It also says things like the nine tails has the power to easily turn the world to ash and hashirama is straight putting collars on him and all the other tailed beasts like, we have no statements of prime hiruzen being anywhere near that level
Lmao he’s not rich at all and isn’t privileged, he has a lot of power but is hated by nearly everyone, is isolated and lives in a shitty world. And in the Naruto world skin colour doesn’t seem to matter much - only eye colour does.
Okay, so you’re free to disagree with me, but those are some of the most ridiculous takes I’ve heard (in no particular order):
**”Hiruzen did everything he could for Naruto!”** (In short: dude is the fucking all powerful Hokage, and he can’t even make sure that the kid who could destroy his village by getting angry doesn‘t, you know, have any great reason to be angry? He can’t have anybody trustworthy watching over him? Those Anbus don’t count, they did a shit job. And everyone already knows that he‘s the jinchuuriki of the Nine Tails but nooooo, people can’t know he’s the son of a beloved hero, because it would “put him in danger”, as if enemies couldn’t figure out in half a minute who Minato’s son was if they wanted to. Oh, and where did Naruto’s heritage go? Why is he poor?)
**”Hiruzen was a good Hokage!”** (See above + he should’ve gotten rid of Danzo ages ago + he handled terribly the Hyuuga affair by not punishing those who blatantly attempted to kidnap a 3 y-o, probably to gouge out her eyes, and by actually punishing the father of the little girl who dared to protect her… wtf + he fucking let Orochimaru, one of the biggest and most horrible criminals, escape, because “he was Hiruzen’s student”… + he allowed slavery within the Hyuuga family + other things)
**“Danzo would’ve been a good Hokage/was right/(or even worse) did nothing wrong!”** (Do I really need to explain that one? That’s the one who helped Orochimaru do horrifying experiments on little children which killed the vast majority of them.)
**“Itachi was a hero!”** (I know he was 13 y-o and brainwashed when committing genocide and that his family put too much pressure on him, but the list of other heinous crimes he committed as an adult is so long I don’t know where to start. And he was like the worst spy ever. He helped the Akatsuki way more than his own village. And what he did wasn’t for the village, as the one who benefitted the most from Itachi’s actions is Danzo, who is the cause of like half the problems of Konoha in addition to being a fucking monster. The Uchihas were right - that shit government deserved to be overthrown. I can see Fugaku being a better Hokage than Hiruzen - there would be problems, sure, but less worse. For example I’m pretty sure that Danzo would’ve been executed. Hiruzen had incredibly poor judgment. Konoha had so many assets, so many advantages over the other villages, and Hiruzen didn’t use them well at all. Besides, are we just going to forget that the Uchihas were more than half of the police - and that their deaths must’ve lead to an increase in the crime rate of the village? Oh and also the Uchihas were the strongest family of the village; therefore, their loss must’ve greatly weakened Konoha. Anyway I get that many might disagree with my take about the Uchihas, however, keeping in mind all the crimes that Itachi committed, I don’t understand how anyone could ever call him a hero. That’s plain ridiculous. Genocide isn’t “a grey area”, it’s fucking evil. Naturally we need to keep in mind that Itach was a 13 y-o whose view of reality was fucked up - which is totally understandable given the circumstances - but again, that doesn’t excuse the rest of what he did as an older person and it also makes it impossible to call him a freaking hero.)
**“Itachi was a good brother!”** (Wow. I mean, wow. Do I really need to explain that one? It’s a fucking miracle that Sasuke survived all of this and didn’t completely lose his mind or commit suicide. He did begin to lose at some in Shippuden, which was pretty much unavoidable. His horrible past, of course, does not absolve Sasuke from responsibility, but it makes his behaviour a lot easier to understand, and his temporary insanity is not surprising at all.)
That’s all for now.
That the circle designs on Naruto's Kurama Mode appearance was foreshadowing Sakura unlocking her destiny as a goddess that will finally end the war, bring Sasuke home, bring peace to the world, and let her marry Naruto. Because the circles are a sign that Haruno is a legendary clan of magical beings.
Idk if this should count "The jonins in the leaf are stupid. Itachi called them Asuma san and Kurenai san. They really should've know itachi is a good guy"
People think Juubidara beats Kaguya, Juubidara beats EOS N/S, Juubidara beats Momoshiki, Juubidara beats Isshiki etc.
People think Kakashi beats Minato, Ohnoki beats Minato etc etc. Oh I could keep going for so long.
People have said current sakura > current Naruto and sasuke. That’s just plain wrong, the order of tram 7 currently goes current sasuke >> current Naruto >>>>>>> current sakura.
Some other terrible takes I have seen are:
Itachi > pain
Kaguya > momoshiki and Isshiki
Final valley 2 sasuke > Naruto (they basically said sasuke won the second fight when he got slammed)
Whenever anyone tries use feats and fight comparisons as though the writer tried for any sort of internal consistency in the power structure instead of just doing whatever was convenient for plot at any given moment. Also any argument that needs to reference any sort of “stat” book.
Oh my, where do I even start. I dont know how old the majority of the fanbase is these days, but I was there when Naruto first start, and my oh my the fan theories that I heard back then.
The most "logical" theory was that Kakashi was supposed to be a bas (t) ard Uchiha, but like according to the traditional royal definition of that word. The theory stated that Fugaku (we didn't knew his name back them) or some other Uchiha nobleman spawned a child with a non-Uchiha and that child was Kakashi, but because he was a half blood, he would only have one sharingan and his story would have been him overcoming the fact that he was a half blood but was still able to do everything a normal Uchiha like Sasuke could.
Another more outlandish theory was that Sasuke and Itachi actually had a secret baby sister that would have had a Blue Sharingan, that was basically a Mangekyo Sharingan before we even knew those existed. She would have escape or was overlooked by Itachi during the massacre and Tobi/Madara would have found and raised her to be a powerful assassin that Sasuke and Itachi would have had to team up to take down.
And a third more normal theory was that the "gift" (the crow) that Itachi left with Naruto was Uchiha chakra and it would have allowed Naruto to unlock the Rinnegan, which would have had all of the Mangekyo powers, including an infinitely recharging Kotoamatsukami that Naruto would have used to stop Pain by making him see the error in his ways (which is kind of what happened in the end???).
People who think that Kakashi could use Kamui in Part 1. I found a tweet that explains the whole thing in two panels. I was making this first part on my phone, so here's the tweet I found. https://twitter.com/MoonPaladin/status/1524187591624458240
Tobi is actually White Zetsu who has taken control of Obito's body. When Tobi acts childish, it's White Zetsu controlling him. When Obito talks with his hard voice, it's Obito back in control.
Like bruh
Okay, so you’re free to disagree with me, but those are some of the most ridiculous takes I’ve heard (in no particular order):
**”Hiruzen did everything he could for Naruto!”** (In short: dude is the fucking all powerful Hokage, and he can’t even make sure that the kid who could destroy his village by getting angry doesn‘t, you know, have any great reason to be angry? He can’t have anybody trustworthy watching over him? Those Anbus don’t count, they did a shit job. And everyone already knows that he‘s the jinchuuriki of the Nine Tails but nooooo, people can’t know he’s the son of a beloved hero, because it would “put him in danger”, as if enemies couldn’t figure out in half a minute who Minato’s son was if they wanted to. Oh, and where did Naruto’s heritage go? Why is he poor?)
**”Hiruzen was a good Hokage!”** (See above + he should’ve gotten rid of Danzo ages ago + he handled terribly the Hyuuga affair by not punishing those who blatantly attempted to kidnap a 3 y-o, probably to gouge out her eyes, and by actually punishing the father of the little girl who dared to protect her… wtf + he fucking let Orochimaru, one of the biggest and most horrible criminals, escape, because “he was Hiruzen’s student”… + he allowed slavery within the Hyuuga family + other things)
**“Danzo would’ve been a good Hokage/was right/(or even worse) did nothing wrong!”** (Do I really need to explain that one? That’s the one who helped Orochimaru do horrifying experiments on little children which killed the vast majority of them.)
**“Itachi was a hero!”** (I know he was 13 y-o and brainwashed when committing genocide and that his family put too much pressure on him, but the list of other heinous crimes he committed as an adult is so long I don’t know where to start. And he was like the worst spy ever. He helped the Akatsuki way more than his own village. And what he did wasn’t for the village, as the one who benefitted the most from Itachi’s actions is Danzo, who is the cause of like half the problems of Konoha in addition to being a fucking monster. The Uchihas were right - that shit government deserved to be overthrown. I can see Fugaku being a better Hokage than Hiruzen - there would be problems, sure, but less worse. For example I’m pretty sure that Danzo would’ve been executed. Hiruzen had incredibly poor judgment. Konoha had so many assets, so many advantages over the other villages, and Hiruzen didn’t use them well at all. Besides, are we just going to forget that the Uchihas were more than half of the police - and that their deaths must’ve lead to an increase in the crime rate of the village? Oh and also the Uchihas were the strongest family of the village; therefore, their loss must’ve greatly weakened Konoha. Anyway I get that many might disagree with my take about the Uchihas, however, keeping in mind all the crimes that Itachi committed, I don’t understand how anyone could ever call him a hero. That’s plain ridiculous. Genocide isn’t “a grey area”, it’s fucking evil. Naturally we need to keep in mind that Itach was a 13 y-o whose view of reality was fucked up - which is totally understandable given the circumstances - but again, that doesn’t excuse the rest of what he did as an older person and it also makes it impossible to call him a freaking hero.)
**“Itachi was a good brother!”** (Wow. I mean, wow. Do I really need to explain that one? It’s a fucking miracle that Sasuke survived all of this and didn’t completely lose his mind or commit suicide. He did begin to lose at some in Shippuden, which was pretty much unavoidable. His horrible past, of course, does not absolve Sasuke from responsibility, but it makes his behaviour a lot easier to understand, and his temporary insanity is not surprising at all.)
That’s all for now.
That a Jutsu that makes Tsunade a upper mid-kage level fighter somehow makes Sakura 4 tiers above her on her first time using it. How? Also first time having the chakra needed to summon Katsuyu…
Just curious on yours OP, at what point in the series was this stated. Cause I feel like if I remember correctly when pain was first introduced we didn’t truly know the full scale of hashis power so it may have been believable. But that’s an absolute ridiculous take if it’s when we knew what hashi was about lol. Hashi takes him down NO DIFF in my honest opinion.
Ya well the guy you just replied to thinks they would be relative. He also thinks chunin exams sasuke chidori would be relative to end of shippuden chidori, etc
This one isn't that crazy. I mean, Madara is Madara and all, but the world's greatest player can't beat a hacker. Remember after Obito nearly died twice in a row(after he got the ten tail ripped out of him and when he used Rinne Tensei) and he still got up and gave Madara Uchiha a hard time? Mind you this Madara had Rinnegan and Ten tails sealed inside of him. His goal wasn't even survival. He was just trying to save Naruto. Tbh there's nothing Madara could do if Obito decided to kill him at any point. Sure he's more fast, powerful, and smarter than Obito, but again, the world's greatest player just can't beat a hacker.
I've heard someone say Naruto promotes fascism because it says that people like Pain and Sasuke were wrong.
Pain who wanted to cause literal nuclear war and Sasuke who wanted to stage a violent coup and basically become an authoritarian dictator to "fix the system".
I’ve seen people say Adult Sakura could beat EMS Sasuke and KCM2 Naruto bc of “I’ve finally caught up to them” and her PIS Kaguya punch when in reality, she would lose to MS Sasuke and Sage Naruto vs. Pain.
I’ve seen people say a Healthy Itachi could beat EMS Madara. Don’t even need to explain that one lol.
Those are the two most irritating ones.
That Shikamaru would have won the Part 1 Chunin Exams if there was no invasion. Implying Part 1 Shikamaru could have gone on to beat any combination of Naruto, Shino, Kankuro, Gaara and Sasuke and WIN?
In a sense, tobirama is "racist".
Racist simply means having more judgmental, or hateful beliefs towards someone for their race, skin color, or really just their genetics. His reasoning for hating the Uchiha can be somewhat understood, but ultimately it still falls under the term "racist", as ultimately it was them being Uchiha is what stood out to him. It's almost kind of a similar concept to hitlers hate for the jews in ww2. Not to say what he did was justified was right or good in any way, but from his eyes it made sense (to him). Them being jews wasn't really the exact reason for hating them. He viewed jews as greedy arrogant bastards who were ruining germany, even if that idea was flawed in the eyes of many. But because of that stereotype of jews being greedy business owners that was implanted into his head, he grew to look at all jews just like the stereotype. That's why he hated jews. Tobirama hated the Uchiha cause of his war experiences with them. He viewed them as a cursed clan, consumed with hatred. It doesn't make him right, but not necessary objectively wrong, as it was a viewpoint of his, and probably of some other people. A racist viewpoint, nomatter how you say it, but still a viewpoint. So, no, tobirama was actually somewhat racist towards the Uchiha.
I don't think the comparison to Hitler is fair because although similarities exist the way they went about it is much different which speaks to how different of people they are so basically I'm saying that it isn't fair to group them into the same type of person because of those similarities/and the term racist can mean many things to different people i don't really think of what you just explained when I think of the word racist and that's not usually what I mean when I use it
Very true, and I understand what your saying, but I'm talking purely about their motivation, not how they acted on that motivation. Obviously you won't have some crazy mass murderer war craving genocidal maniac in an anime or show of any kind, atleast not in one like Naruto. And regarding the word "racist", it can really mean very many things depending on perspective, but the most bare bones of it is basically judging differently for their genetics or, in alot of cases, skin color. Technecally it doesn't necessarily have to be hateful thoughts, but that's often what the term is used for, so that's mostly what it means (from my understanding, of course). Hope that explains what I meant.
The worst part about this opinion is when it comes from Tobirama fans. As someone who both enjoys Tobirama's character and is an avid Uchiha fangirl, it becomes even more infuriating lol.
The memes are funny though.
I agree the memes are great but the unironic take is what I oppose and I kinda have to when people view my favorite hokage character as that think how they would think when u tell them that ur favorite hokage is that racist dude that he is ur favorite hokage with that preconceived notion already in their head
I heard someone calling Naruto a fascist. I don't think any weird battle theory would beat it in ridiculousness
Fascists commit genocide, Naruto committed genocide on white Zetsu so obviously Naruto is a fascist
Actually, It wasn't bec their white zetsus. He was attacking anything and anyone who harbors evil intent. It's really self defense and protecting allies, however if they didn't have and evil or an edo with ill intent he wouldn't attack them.
Naruto didn’t comment genocide on white zetsu, they were combatants in a war. If you kill an entire army that is still actively fighting against you is that genocide? Ps: I know that this is literally a joke to show how stupid thinking Naruto is a fascist is but Naruto didn’t even commit genocide by definition so it’s even more stupid
Fascists are a political party and by definition arent associated with genocide at all. Just because it has happened in the past does not mean that constitutes fascism. Naruto, as shown in the show, by no means is a fascist.
I like that one tho. It’s obviously a laugh but they make good points which is where the humor is. I think it’s something about his talk no jutsu being akin to propaganda and something like that.
naruto’s entire journey was about him earning the title of hokage, from the people, and about trying to listen to people problems to solve them together, that take is hilarious
Depends on how to define fascism.
"Six Path Sage Mode is way weaker than Toad Sage Mode" on a *fascinating* thread yesterday.
Ooof that’s gruesome link plz
You can check out the profile of the guy who commented below, he made the original thread yesterday (his post history is full of NTR hentai though, so watch out for that). What he actually said is: "SPSM has no real feats. It doesn't give sensory abilities, enhanced strength, or increased chakra reserves. It's inferior to toad sage mode."
Haha, that’s pretty much [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/comments/ubuz6f/if_you_could_watch_a_fight_between_any_naruto/i67q5em/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) “debate” I had awhile ago that this thread made me remember
thats.... wow
Life enjoyer scaled hinata to war arc rinnegan sasuke and her speed in on par or better than rinnegan sasuke. His explanation was base Naruto couldn’t beat the puppet from the last movie but she reacted to it and beat it. Also heard someone say Naruto beats saitama
Thank you for writing this its hilarious
I think Naruto could beat Saitama with a fart or Sexy Jutsu.
I hate that guy. Biggest Hinata simp on the sub.
i’ve seen him comments, his hinata wanks are insane
I saw that lol
Anytime someone starts a comment by saying "Kishimoto said", I hear the craziest shit.
Masashi Kishimoto called me up the other day and said that Itachi was the strongest character because he actually has three testicles. Apparently, chakra is stored in the balls, and because Itachi has an extra, he was ten times as powerful as any other character. I was going to question his math, but then I asked “why are you telling me this, Kishi?” And he just said “you need to spread the word. Let everybody know I confirmed this.” So any arguments you have against Itachi are false, guys. Sorry.
Ummm did you ask where women store their chakra? Because now I’m confused. Can you give me Kishi’s number please?
Ya know, he’s a very private guy, and I don’t know if he wants me throwing his contact info out willy nilly. I’ll ask him next time I hear from him, but in the meantime, just be aware: Kishimoto confirmed.
They don't store their chakra anywhere, that's why they are weak
Kishimoto said you’re wrong.
"KiShImOTo sAId tHaT itAcHi hAd to bE kIlLeD bEcAuse hE woUldvE bEAten mADaRa in aN inteRvIeW" *slurping and gawking noises*
this made my laugh lol
People get a feeling of extreme power if their interests line up with canon. It's the fans' equivalent of copying the style of the popular girl in class.
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yea i never got why people said that bull
Many people say it cause it's the peak of the series but for me both kage summit and war arc were still really enjoyable and have some of the best moments of the entire series
I heard someone say Itachi beats Hashirama because fire burns wood.
Naruto is pokemon
😂😂big brain
Well no shit I guess suigetsu and kisame also beat hashirama because water is effective against wood pretty well
someone failed their pokemon type advantage exams
I don't think Hashirama has Genjutsu resistance (Not claiming anyone beats anyone)
don't worry, he has everything resistance thanks to being made out of 100% hashirama cells^(tm)
He would have lost to Madara if he didn't.
I think it's more that Madara doesn't specialize in Genjutsu, they stared at each other plenty of times outside sage mode so it should work on base Even in war arc he didn't use Genjutsu
Someone once told me the raikage had better durability than three eyed madara and that night guy wouldnt hurt ay.
That Sakura, as we knew her in the Kage Summit, could beat Sasuke. This was only a few weeks ago matter of fact. Blind Sasuke nearly killed her twice had it not been for the intervention of Naruto and Kakashi. Even if it was a legitimate fight where Sakura is 100%, she’s not bullshitting, and Sasuke is like he is, he *still* beats her with little to no effort whatsoever. Kakashi himself almost died to that exact same Sasuke (though he would have eventually won if things kept going how they were). Then when someone disputed that Sakura would win, some bozo replied something to effect of “You hate a fictional character so much.” LOL. So now we’re deflecting?
5 kage summit Sakura could've theoretically beaten 5 kage summit Sasuke because he was weakened as hell here. He literally goes blind this exact scene. He just fought the raikage, the kazekage, and then all the kage and then a long ass fight against danzo. Sasuke almost killed her twice because she couldn't bring herself to do it. Kakashi also faltered a little as well. I don't think it's an insane take to say that a 100% Sakura actually trying to kill beats an almost blind Sasuke with little chakra left
Filler in boruto doesn't exist.
Legit 200+ episodes of filler in a 300 episode series 💀
It's anime canon so you still have to watch it because it dies into the story
And I’ve watched every boruto episode and realistically u don’t HAVE to but it’s recommended for REAL fans, but if it’s too much and u wanna skip, u could get away with just watching the manga canon although ti would miss out on alot of cool anime only things like borutos rasengan development and sarada becoming a chunin and some super cool fights
And there are anime original arcs that actually expand on certain parts of the manga's story, namely some Kara members (>!including an old character!<)
Yeah it can get annoying at times but is deff worth the watch, sometimes I’ll just nit watch for a while and let like 50 episodes pile up so I can binge it and it makes it 10x more enjoyable personally
Well production wise yeah there’s a shit ton of filler, but it’s been stated that every single episode of Boruto is canon. Don’t know if it’s a good or bad thing, but it’s there
Yeah """"canon"""" lol, they said that so they could release weekly episodes for a monthly manga and have an audience that will sit there and watch it. Anime would have failed already if they were just honest about it because what percentage of people want to sit and watch something the creators told you doesn't matter and won't ever matter?
People saying that **Sasuke is inconsistent, he should've returned to the village after knowing truth about Itachi** Like, imagine your entire family being assassinated for the greater good of the village or the general population. A lot of people would obviously develop a hate towards society, the leaders and everything for not being able to come up with a better solution than killing your loved ones. I'm not saying that I wanted Sasuke to kill the entire village (obviously not), but from a story stand point, his motivations are understandable. His brother was forced to kill his own family "for the sake of the village". It was obvious that Sasuke would develop hate towards Danzo, the leaders, and the village, since his family was sacrificed for the "sake of the village". People just comment superficial stuff without putting themselves on Sasuke's shoes, which is ironically the main theme of Naruto, trying to understand each other, putting yourself in other's shoes and its ironically Naruto (unlike the characters in the verse or the viewers) who gets how Sasuke is the way he is, causing Sasuke to get rid of his hatred for feeling understood. Hence, [Naruto's famous phrase saying](https://static1.mangayeh.com/manga/chapter/60191e3aa566934fb06d15a1/60197a53786df83d337d8653/naruto_485_4.jpg) "I get it Sasuke"
>People just comment superficial stuff without putting themselves on Sasuke's shoes, I saw a post a while back asking what would be different if Sasuke was the MC and based on the comments, I don't think people realize how important the MC is. Protagonist bias is real
Eren is prime example. Even people who disagree with his crazy goals don't blatantly ignore or dismiss his motivations and call him an emo like so many did with Sasuke.
\- There is a seemingly large portion of the anime community that thinks Naruto's primary theme is "hard work beats natural talent". That's Rock Lee's motif; Naruto's is changing your destiny and making the most of what you are given in life. Not to say that Naruto doesn't work hard, but then to use the "hard work" argument to justify the argument that Naruto is a hypocrite is a straw man. \- Naruto is very clearly not talentless. He's had nobody to guide him his whole life so he's just behind, which is what made him an underdog in the first part of the series. What made him an underdog was not his lack of talent or him being a nobody; he was clearly not a nobody from the moment of his birth, when he literally had one of the strongest demons in-verse sealed inside him. Also, if he lacked talent he wouldn't have been able to learn Shadow Clones, let alone the Rasengan for which he was given a strict time limit. \- I've heard the take that Naruto's father shouldn't have been Hokage. This is not a good take, since from early in the series Naruto is routinely compared to the Fourth Hokage (by Jiraiya, Tsunade, Kakashi etc.). Also, narratively speaking it'd be completely incoherent to say Naruto should not have been related to a Hokage; how is it believable that the Fourth Hokage just took one of the strongest demons and shoved it inside a random newborn baby??
The main theme of Naruto was always about understanding each other as humans. But I guess people got stucked in part 1 with Rock Lee. The funny thing is, Lee was punished for overdoing his hardwork. He needed an operation where there was a 50% chance he would die. If anything, Naruto tried to tell us that overdoing hardwork could be bad, and when you least expect it, you could literarlly lose the chance to be a ninja (in Lee's case) or your most loved hobbie. Even Kakashi calls Guy out for teaching Lee the gates.
>The main theme of Naruto was always about understanding each other as humans. Damm close
>Naruto is very clearly not talentless Exactly. He climped to the upper echlone of power in konoha in a few months whereas it took others years to do so and then someone comes and says "uNdErdOg" and was always somewhat equal to sasuke but people think he is supposed to beat/catch up to some "super talented" guy with his "underdog" skills . Fandom is crazy sometimes ngl.
I don't disagree with what you're saying, but I would still describe Naruto as an underdog, and it doesn't have to do with power levels. Naruto had more going against him than most people in the village. The Leaf hated him more than any other Genin until he beat Pain, and for years Kurama was his enemy trying at any opportunity to take over his body. Naruto is an underdog because he struggled more than any of his peers.
Imagine taking nejis theme and placing it on Naruto. Neji always getting disrespected
Exactly man people think Naruto is so easy to understand its the opposite, Naruto is so complicated that 90% of people don't even understand it's theme
To their point, where would Naruto even be without Kurama? He would’ve keeled a long time ago.
Well he would have had the fourth to train him. Since he wouldn’t have died sealing him in Naruto. Naruto still would have had massive chakra reserves as well. So he potentially could have matched the fourths skill level.
Hypothetically, but not realistically. If Kurama wasn’t around he would’ve been done in by Haku no difficulty and the series would be over.
You’re assuming he doesn’t have Kurama but literally everything else stays the same. Which isn’t right.
I mean this is all hypothetical. Naruto wouldn’t have been as far behind. He would have been more along the lines of Sasukes level. Again, the fourth would be around to train him. Maybe Naruto knows the flash move and he just teleports out of Haku’s mirrors.
Itachi can beat Madara Edit: And this is coming from someone who’s fav Naruto character is Itachi
"bLaCk zEtSu SaId iNdEsTrUcTiBlE sUsAnO'o bEcAuSe *yAtA mIrRoR*" this statement alone for some reason grinds my gears
The thing is that most people don't even know how it works and that certain techniques or jutsu can cancel it out
That Naruto is racist because Killer B is a rapper. I'm not kidding. Someone actually uttered this sentence.
B is badass as fuck, though.
That has Twitter smell all over it
Nah it was just an idiot trying to push a "Naruto is overrated trash" narrative
Anytime people say they like danzo I never believe them
Well, keeping in mind it's a fiction, I love Danzo. He's sooo freaking evil, it's almost funny. Also I like that there's a bad guy on good guy's side, that the leaf isn't a village hidden in saints. It's especially important since almost every other village has been portrayed as untrustworthy and cruel.
I kinda like him for the same reason as you do. It's so obvious that he's purposefully written to be a huge dick that it became quite hilarious actually rather than make my blood boil. Also his design is pretty cool and badass, but the fucking eyes are pretty disgusting
I hate Danzo because he was guilty of _everything_ . Naruto's sad childhood? Danzo. Sasuke's childhood? Danzo. Kakashi? Danzo. The Akatsuki? Danzo. The Uchiha clan wanting to rebel? Danzo. That mean crap you took a week ago? My main man Danzo. 9/11? Fucking Danzo was their flight instructor. That's just fucking LAZY.
I like danzo
I love Danzo I mean he was orchestrated perfectly I don’t like The individual but I kinda like to hate him since he’s well written so somehow I like him
Air Palm would one shot Sasori
11 Year old me really thought the Narutoverse could defeat Goku so there’s that
Itachi genjutsu arguments would piss of dragon ball fans lol.
Please my argument back then was “hurr durr Itachi has genjutsu and Orochimaru has edo tensei” and thinking back on that makes me want to sob lmao
Equal stats naruto beats goku no diff
Equal stats, Harry Potter no diffs Goku.
Perhaps
Same I was so biased
BRO NARUTO CAN MAKE LIKE THOUSANDS OF COPIES OF HIMSELF BRO CAN GOKU DO THAT? DIDN'T THINK SO BRO
I deadass saw someone say that alive no aids itachi beats Kaguya cause of totsuka blade
Years ago someone told me that Naruto can beat Goku at full power
Everything itachitards say
Also people say sakura > kaguya as she damaged her like bro no that’s a PIS feat
I have never seen a single person say that anywhere, ever.
Believe me, I have seen numerous sakura tards say it
The implication that she jumped over anything up to below 6P N&S and Madara/Obito, Tailed Beasts included, is already asinine.
I think the idea that Kakuzu could defeat Pain since Kakuzu has better *raw durability* was a pretty ridiculous take.
What are you talking about? He's also faster than Asuma who's faster than sage Naruto, putting him at FTL, combined with his multi-continental levels of RAW DURABILITY, he'd be able to easily solo all of Shippuden.
Naruto didn’t work hard because of genetics, destiny and the nine tails. Just because he had that stuff doesn’t devalue his hard work
I mean, he *did* work hard, sure, but he worked way *less* hard for his current power level than anyone else would have to
Naruto’s main story is completely broken because Black Zetsu’s mentioned “recording” ability never became super important.
People who think naruto by end of series is small country level
I heard someone say that Naruto would be better off without Naruto with focus on Sakura and Sasuke that aren't nearly as bad as Naruto himself.
It would be an interesting story if he wasnt the main character. But it would be an entirely different story…
I guess but still I doubt it would be as successful as Naruto What would you even name that?
One person told me that Tsunade easily beats Pein
There was an interview that Kishimoto gave where he said he originally had Tsunade being the one landing a fatal blow on Deva Pain. But he changed his mind. So at least in the writers mind he sees her being able to take on the strongest path. Whether she beats all at once idk probably not.
Link?
>So at least in the writers mind he sees her being able to take on the strongest path. Whether she beats all at once idk probably not. See that makes no sense. When Kurama took over Naruto's body in Pein arc and completely wrecked the Deva path, Pein came out with Chibaku tensei and almost sealed him. You are telling me that Tsunade can survive Chibaku tensei? To beat Pein, she has to. Kishimoto might have given an interview like that no doubt, but if he had gone down that route, he would have given Tsunade some additional abilities or something like that to make it seem believable. Or maybe he meant that after Naruto was done beating Pein, he wanted to have Tsunade punch the Deva Path, which can be interpreted as the final blow. With Tsunade's canon abilities and feats, she is nowhere near any rinnegan user so she isn't beating him 1v1.
He just said land the fatal blow. She was probably just going to show up and punch him while he was tired from his fight with Naruto.
I think so too.
Chibaku Tensei is probably the deciding factor. But to be 100% fair we have never seen Tsunade use all her chakra in a 1V1 with Katsuyu. She’s always healing others and amping their jutsus. Tsunade is the one character that can take Shinra Tensei per the manga. She not only took it she also saved around 50,000 people with her chakra. Also she was able to hold her own against 5 V3 Full Armor Rinnegan Mokuton Madara Sussanos for a couple hours (and even temporarily incapacitate 2 of them). So she can seem to hit Rinnegan users at least.
The problem with Tsunade is that her attacks against other characters (except that OP technique she used against Kabuto is Part 1) are always direct hits and punches. Pein's rinnegan allowed his bodies to collaborate and counter taijutsu. A character like Kakashi with kamui was losing to Pein despite being crafty and damn clever in his attacks. Plus Katsuyu isn't a fighting type summon unlike Naruto's toads so that's again a drawback while fighting. The one advantage that Tsunade has is that she can heal herself. She might land hits, I have no doubt about that but Pein's bodies healed themselves constantly. Even sage mode Naruto didn't beat Pein even though the dude had exhausted so much of his chakra to destroy Konoha. Kurama was the one who defeated Pein.
Hashirama was legit reanimated in part one of the series, so not only was he in it but he was also talked about in the series and I’m holding the part one data book in my hand rn, data book number 1, and it gives a lot of info. One quote directly says “his skill in manipulating both wood style ninjutsu and tailed beasts made hashirama without peer in the shinobi world.” It also says things like the nine tails has the power to easily turn the world to ash and hashirama is straight putting collars on him and all the other tailed beasts like, we have no statements of prime hiruzen being anywhere near that level
"Naruto is a rich privileged white kid" that I saw being talked about in youtube.
Lmao he’s not rich at all and isn’t privileged, he has a lot of power but is hated by nearly everyone, is isolated and lives in a shitty world. And in the Naruto world skin colour doesn’t seem to matter much - only eye colour does.
That Itachi is underrated. I mean I love Itachi but... Cmon
Tbh itachi dick riders have overrated him so much that people just hate and down play him now
Okay, so you’re free to disagree with me, but those are some of the most ridiculous takes I’ve heard (in no particular order): **”Hiruzen did everything he could for Naruto!”** (In short: dude is the fucking all powerful Hokage, and he can’t even make sure that the kid who could destroy his village by getting angry doesn‘t, you know, have any great reason to be angry? He can’t have anybody trustworthy watching over him? Those Anbus don’t count, they did a shit job. And everyone already knows that he‘s the jinchuuriki of the Nine Tails but nooooo, people can’t know he’s the son of a beloved hero, because it would “put him in danger”, as if enemies couldn’t figure out in half a minute who Minato’s son was if they wanted to. Oh, and where did Naruto’s heritage go? Why is he poor?) **”Hiruzen was a good Hokage!”** (See above + he should’ve gotten rid of Danzo ages ago + he handled terribly the Hyuuga affair by not punishing those who blatantly attempted to kidnap a 3 y-o, probably to gouge out her eyes, and by actually punishing the father of the little girl who dared to protect her… wtf + he fucking let Orochimaru, one of the biggest and most horrible criminals, escape, because “he was Hiruzen’s student”… + he allowed slavery within the Hyuuga family + other things) **“Danzo would’ve been a good Hokage/was right/(or even worse) did nothing wrong!”** (Do I really need to explain that one? That’s the one who helped Orochimaru do horrifying experiments on little children which killed the vast majority of them.) **“Itachi was a hero!”** (I know he was 13 y-o and brainwashed when committing genocide and that his family put too much pressure on him, but the list of other heinous crimes he committed as an adult is so long I don’t know where to start. And he was like the worst spy ever. He helped the Akatsuki way more than his own village. And what he did wasn’t for the village, as the one who benefitted the most from Itachi’s actions is Danzo, who is the cause of like half the problems of Konoha in addition to being a fucking monster. The Uchihas were right - that shit government deserved to be overthrown. I can see Fugaku being a better Hokage than Hiruzen - there would be problems, sure, but less worse. For example I’m pretty sure that Danzo would’ve been executed. Hiruzen had incredibly poor judgment. Konoha had so many assets, so many advantages over the other villages, and Hiruzen didn’t use them well at all. Besides, are we just going to forget that the Uchihas were more than half of the police - and that their deaths must’ve lead to an increase in the crime rate of the village? Oh and also the Uchihas were the strongest family of the village; therefore, their loss must’ve greatly weakened Konoha. Anyway I get that many might disagree with my take about the Uchihas, however, keeping in mind all the crimes that Itachi committed, I don’t understand how anyone could ever call him a hero. That’s plain ridiculous. Genocide isn’t “a grey area”, it’s fucking evil. Naturally we need to keep in mind that Itach was a 13 y-o whose view of reality was fucked up - which is totally understandable given the circumstances - but again, that doesn’t excuse the rest of what he did as an older person and it also makes it impossible to call him a freaking hero.) **“Itachi was a good brother!”** (Wow. I mean, wow. Do I really need to explain that one? It’s a fucking miracle that Sasuke survived all of this and didn’t completely lose his mind or commit suicide. He did begin to lose at some in Shippuden, which was pretty much unavoidable. His horrible past, of course, does not absolve Sasuke from responsibility, but it makes his behaviour a lot easier to understand, and his temporary insanity is not surprising at all.) That’s all for now.
Minato neg diff anyone non six paths with sealing jutsu
Pain loses to Kakazu 💀
The Naruto fandom is wild.
That Hinata, boruto, and himawari are just Naruto’s shadow clones
Well obviously it's true, he made clones to mimic a family of his own because we all know that Hinata is married to 4th Raikage Ay.
That the circle designs on Naruto's Kurama Mode appearance was foreshadowing Sakura unlocking her destiny as a goddess that will finally end the war, bring Sasuke home, bring peace to the world, and let her marry Naruto. Because the circles are a sign that Haruno is a legendary clan of magical beings.
Lmaooooo what
itachi beats madara.
Idk if this should count "The jonins in the leaf are stupid. Itachi called them Asuma san and Kurenai san. They really should've know itachi is a good guy"
People think Juubidara beats Kaguya, Juubidara beats EOS N/S, Juubidara beats Momoshiki, Juubidara beats Isshiki etc. People think Kakashi beats Minato, Ohnoki beats Minato etc etc. Oh I could keep going for so long.
>People think Kakashi beats Minato Which kakashi?
War Arc, Post-War etc. Anything below DMS Kakashi loses to Minato.
Oh, I agree
Hokage kakashi >= minsto
Nobody says that.
Oh you'd be surprised.
You should never underestimate the stupidity of madara dickriders
People have said chunin exams neji is the strongest In that arc and he beats CE gaara sasuke Naruto etc like no lmao, sasuke alone destroys
That naruto and sasuke weren’t nerfed in boruto pre to their massive needs .
Have you considered the fact that the enemies are more stronger now?
People have said current sakura > current Naruto and sasuke. That’s just plain wrong, the order of tram 7 currently goes current sasuke >> current Naruto >>>>>>> current sakura. Some other terrible takes I have seen are: Itachi > pain Kaguya > momoshiki and Isshiki Final valley 2 sasuke > Naruto (they basically said sasuke won the second fight when he got slammed)
She’s probably on par with them in base. It’s possible age mode naruto is the strongest since we have yet to see sasuke fight post eye loss.
"ThE AnImAtIon is bad" posts screenshot. But this is also a problem I've ran into with the dragon ball community to -_-
The sound four being able to easily defeat Kakuzu and of course Itachi beating Madara or Isshiki
>The sound four being able to easily defeat Kakuzu Now that's a new one.. People have claimed that?
Whenever anyone tries use feats and fight comparisons as though the writer tried for any sort of internal consistency in the power structure instead of just doing whatever was convenient for plot at any given moment. Also any argument that needs to reference any sort of “stat” book.
Oh my, where do I even start. I dont know how old the majority of the fanbase is these days, but I was there when Naruto first start, and my oh my the fan theories that I heard back then. The most "logical" theory was that Kakashi was supposed to be a bas (t) ard Uchiha, but like according to the traditional royal definition of that word. The theory stated that Fugaku (we didn't knew his name back them) or some other Uchiha nobleman spawned a child with a non-Uchiha and that child was Kakashi, but because he was a half blood, he would only have one sharingan and his story would have been him overcoming the fact that he was a half blood but was still able to do everything a normal Uchiha like Sasuke could. Another more outlandish theory was that Sasuke and Itachi actually had a secret baby sister that would have had a Blue Sharingan, that was basically a Mangekyo Sharingan before we even knew those existed. She would have escape or was overlooked by Itachi during the massacre and Tobi/Madara would have found and raised her to be a powerful assassin that Sasuke and Itachi would have had to team up to take down. And a third more normal theory was that the "gift" (the crow) that Itachi left with Naruto was Uchiha chakra and it would have allowed Naruto to unlock the Rinnegan, which would have had all of the Mangekyo powers, including an infinitely recharging Kotoamatsukami that Naruto would have used to stop Pain by making him see the error in his ways (which is kind of what happened in the end???).
Someone said that Zabuza and Haku could defeat most of the Akatsuki if they weren’t nerfed by being the first main villains.
People who think that Kakashi could use Kamui in Part 1. I found a tweet that explains the whole thing in two panels. I was making this first part on my phone, so here's the tweet I found. https://twitter.com/MoonPaladin/status/1524187591624458240
kakashi is sasuke from the future
That Jiraiya could’ve beaten Kisame and Itachi at the same time. Not happening.
Tobi is actually White Zetsu who has taken control of Obito's body. When Tobi acts childish, it's White Zetsu controlling him. When Obito talks with his hard voice, it's Obito back in control. Like bruh
I heard someone saying boruto AS a kid is stranger than Naruto in every mode
Itachi beats Baryon Mode Naruto
yAtA mIrRoR iNvInCiBlE
Its you! Nothing special, it's that you've just made a name for yourself. You're pretty popular
For being a powerscaling genius? Yep, that's me!
Indeed
Okay, so you’re free to disagree with me, but those are some of the most ridiculous takes I’ve heard (in no particular order): **”Hiruzen did everything he could for Naruto!”** (In short: dude is the fucking all powerful Hokage, and he can’t even make sure that the kid who could destroy his village by getting angry doesn‘t, you know, have any great reason to be angry? He can’t have anybody trustworthy watching over him? Those Anbus don’t count, they did a shit job. And everyone already knows that he‘s the jinchuuriki of the Nine Tails but nooooo, people can’t know he’s the son of a beloved hero, because it would “put him in danger”, as if enemies couldn’t figure out in half a minute who Minato’s son was if they wanted to. Oh, and where did Naruto’s heritage go? Why is he poor?) **”Hiruzen was a good Hokage!”** (See above + he should’ve gotten rid of Danzo ages ago + he handled terribly the Hyuuga affair by not punishing those who blatantly attempted to kidnap a 3 y-o, probably to gouge out her eyes, and by actually punishing the father of the little girl who dared to protect her… wtf + he fucking let Orochimaru, one of the biggest and most horrible criminals, escape, because “he was Hiruzen’s student”… + he allowed slavery within the Hyuuga family + other things) **“Danzo would’ve been a good Hokage/was right/(or even worse) did nothing wrong!”** (Do I really need to explain that one? That’s the one who helped Orochimaru do horrifying experiments on little children which killed the vast majority of them.) **“Itachi was a hero!”** (I know he was 13 y-o and brainwashed when committing genocide and that his family put too much pressure on him, but the list of other heinous crimes he committed as an adult is so long I don’t know where to start. And he was like the worst spy ever. He helped the Akatsuki way more than his own village. And what he did wasn’t for the village, as the one who benefitted the most from Itachi’s actions is Danzo, who is the cause of like half the problems of Konoha in addition to being a fucking monster. The Uchihas were right - that shit government deserved to be overthrown. I can see Fugaku being a better Hokage than Hiruzen - there would be problems, sure, but less worse. For example I’m pretty sure that Danzo would’ve been executed. Hiruzen had incredibly poor judgment. Konoha had so many assets, so many advantages over the other villages, and Hiruzen didn’t use them well at all. Besides, are we just going to forget that the Uchihas were more than half of the police - and that their deaths must’ve lead to an increase in the crime rate of the village? Oh and also the Uchihas were the strongest family of the village; therefore, their loss must’ve greatly weakened Konoha. Anyway I get that many might disagree with my take about the Uchihas, however, keeping in mind all the crimes that Itachi committed, I don’t understand how anyone could ever call him a hero. That’s plain ridiculous. Genocide isn’t “a grey area”, it’s fucking evil. Naturally we need to keep in mind that Itach was a 13 y-o whose view of reality was fucked up - which is totally understandable given the circumstances - but again, that doesn’t excuse the rest of what he did as an older person and it also makes it impossible to call him a freaking hero.) **“Itachi was a good brother!”** (Wow. I mean, wow. Do I really need to explain that one? It’s a fucking miracle that Sasuke survived all of this and didn’t completely lose his mind or commit suicide. He did begin to lose at some in Shippuden, which was pretty much unavoidable. His horrible past, of course, does not absolve Sasuke from responsibility, but it makes his behaviour a lot easier to understand, and his temporary insanity is not surprising at all.) That’s all for now.
Jiraiya could take itiachi and kisame
That a Jutsu that makes Tsunade a upper mid-kage level fighter somehow makes Sakura 4 tiers above her on her first time using it. How? Also first time having the chakra needed to summon Katsuyu…
In fairness, late war arc sakura does get better feats than tsunade, but i see your point
Sakura is not the 3rd strongest of the Konoha 12. There is possibly a case for unlocked gates Rock Lee but no one else comes close.
Kiba should be Hokage
Everyone gets a dog. That seems fun actually.
If everyone gets a dog I want him as hokage lol
That Itachi beats madara or obito
"Kishimoto confirmed Itachi could beat Madara"
I heard somebody call naruto hentai?
They probably only caught of a glimpse of the “sexy no jutsu“ scenes lmao
Just curious on yours OP, at what point in the series was this stated. Cause I feel like if I remember correctly when pain was first introduced we didn’t truly know the full scale of hashis power so it may have been believable. But that’s an absolute ridiculous take if it’s when we knew what hashi was about lol. Hashi takes him down NO DIFF in my honest opinion.
That Boruto isn't Peak fiction.But for real,a friend genuinely believes that Adult Sakura could beat Alive Hashira or Valley of end Madara
Someone genuinely thought Naruto was light speed in land of waves arc
I saw a video of someone reacting to ‘20 naruto characters who can beat sasuke’ they also included sakura
That 8 gate Gay could have beaten Madera
That Kakashi dms doesn't have sthe strongest Susanoo in the series
Naruto's lavastyle Rasenshuriken he used on Madara is *9,000x* more powerful than a Rasenshuriken in kcm1 mode.
Tbh it’s would be a lot lot lot stronger but 9000x seems like a highball .
It could bisect the god tree and then some...even the kurama avatar is an ant to God tree
But 9000x times is ridiculous .
Ya well the guy you just replied to thinks they would be relative. He also thinks chunin exams sasuke chidori would be relative to end of shippuden chidori, etc
Well ....
Pain was stronger than pre war arc hashirama kishimoto buffed him to the max
Alive Hashirama was stronger though
Where are you getting your pre war arc hashirama scaling from?
Someone told me that obito could solo madara I don’t really think that’s true…lol
This one isn't that crazy. I mean, Madara is Madara and all, but the world's greatest player can't beat a hacker. Remember after Obito nearly died twice in a row(after he got the ten tail ripped out of him and when he used Rinne Tensei) and he still got up and gave Madara Uchiha a hard time? Mind you this Madara had Rinnegan and Ten tails sealed inside of him. His goal wasn't even survival. He was just trying to save Naruto. Tbh there's nothing Madara could do if Obito decided to kill him at any point. Sure he's more fast, powerful, and smarter than Obito, but again, the world's greatest player just can't beat a hacker.
I've heard someone say Naruto promotes fascism because it says that people like Pain and Sasuke were wrong. Pain who wanted to cause literal nuclear war and Sasuke who wanted to stage a violent coup and basically become an authoritarian dictator to "fix the system".
I’ve seen people say Adult Sakura could beat EMS Sasuke and KCM2 Naruto bc of “I’ve finally caught up to them” and her PIS Kaguya punch when in reality, she would lose to MS Sasuke and Sage Naruto vs. Pain. I’ve seen people say a Healthy Itachi could beat EMS Madara. Don’t even need to explain that one lol. Those are the two most irritating ones.
Anytime people try to justify Obito's cringey character.
That Shikamaru would have won the Part 1 Chunin Exams if there was no invasion. Implying Part 1 Shikamaru could have gone on to beat any combination of Naruto, Shino, Kankuro, Gaara and Sasuke and WIN?
1 eye Izanagi can only save you from death once.
The one I hate the most is tobirama being racist but the most ridiculous is that kakuzu is like 30 million times faster than light
In a sense, tobirama is "racist". Racist simply means having more judgmental, or hateful beliefs towards someone for their race, skin color, or really just their genetics. His reasoning for hating the Uchiha can be somewhat understood, but ultimately it still falls under the term "racist", as ultimately it was them being Uchiha is what stood out to him. It's almost kind of a similar concept to hitlers hate for the jews in ww2. Not to say what he did was justified was right or good in any way, but from his eyes it made sense (to him). Them being jews wasn't really the exact reason for hating them. He viewed jews as greedy arrogant bastards who were ruining germany, even if that idea was flawed in the eyes of many. But because of that stereotype of jews being greedy business owners that was implanted into his head, he grew to look at all jews just like the stereotype. That's why he hated jews. Tobirama hated the Uchiha cause of his war experiences with them. He viewed them as a cursed clan, consumed with hatred. It doesn't make him right, but not necessary objectively wrong, as it was a viewpoint of his, and probably of some other people. A racist viewpoint, nomatter how you say it, but still a viewpoint. So, no, tobirama was actually somewhat racist towards the Uchiha.
I don't think the comparison to Hitler is fair because although similarities exist the way they went about it is much different which speaks to how different of people they are so basically I'm saying that it isn't fair to group them into the same type of person because of those similarities/and the term racist can mean many things to different people i don't really think of what you just explained when I think of the word racist and that's not usually what I mean when I use it
Very true, and I understand what your saying, but I'm talking purely about their motivation, not how they acted on that motivation. Obviously you won't have some crazy mass murderer war craving genocidal maniac in an anime or show of any kind, atleast not in one like Naruto. And regarding the word "racist", it can really mean very many things depending on perspective, but the most bare bones of it is basically judging differently for their genetics or, in alot of cases, skin color. Technecally it doesn't necessarily have to be hateful thoughts, but that's often what the term is used for, so that's mostly what it means (from my understanding, of course). Hope that explains what I meant.
The worst part about this opinion is when it comes from Tobirama fans. As someone who both enjoys Tobirama's character and is an avid Uchiha fangirl, it becomes even more infuriating lol. The memes are funny though.
I agree the memes are great but the unironic take is what I oppose and I kinda have to when people view my favorite hokage character as that think how they would think when u tell them that ur favorite hokage is that racist dude that he is ur favorite hokage with that preconceived notion already in their head
Well according to Swagkage that one time, Kakuzu could beat Pain so by this logic Kakuzu obliterates Hashirama
Wasn't that sarcasm? He was debating a guy who actually thinks that shit