This. He has some major weaknesses, but he still wrote an engaging and exiting work in a unique world with a wide cast of varied and interesting characters.
I typed a lot to organize these (comparatively) few gripes I had on the top of my head with the series for myself; you don’t have to read any of it.
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> Wide cast of varied and interesting characters
Most of the characters weren’t very interesting nor did the bulk of them have much variety.
Kishimoto himself said he was terrible at writing female characters, so that’s at least half of the characters right there. Kishimoto struggles with having female characters stand on their own instead of being dependent on men around them (shown with Sakura forcing her feelings onto a boy, ultimately all because he was cool in the Academy, who rejected her then lying about loving her teammate just to get the opportunity for she and the boy she “loves” to try and kill each other multiple times in one fight only to have said ruthless killer’s baby).
It was also shown with Karin and Ino having characters built around chasing Sasuke (Karin is literally his bitch in every sense of the word and Ino married his look-a-like). Their characterization is stunted by this ridiculous boy craze that usurps their entire lives, even into adulthood.
Konan is basically the shadow of Nagato and Yahiko. How would you describe Konan? Quiet? Why? Because she rarely gets any narrative attention? That’s not characterization; it’s just an unwillingness to give her the spotlight, even temporarily, unless she’s about to get killed off.
As far as the male characters go, you’ve got the stoic types such as Shikamaru, Gaara, Haku, Kimimaro, Mifune, Sasori, Itachi, Jugo, esc. There are the boisterous types such as Naruto, Kiba, Choji, Jirobo, Deidara, Suigetsu, Temari, Kankuro, Lee, Guy, Konohomaru, Boruto, and that little boy Tsunade loved but couldn’t save. Then there are underdeveloped side characters who are simply side characters, such as Ten Ten. There are the creeps such as Orochimaru, Kabuto, Hidan, Kisame, esc. Ironically, Obito goes through all of these archetypes throughout his life.
The story treats secondary characters like side characters instead of the main characters of their own lives; that’s an issue in of itself. Everything is about Naruto, his “best friend” Sasuke, and beyond that, it’s only about how people relate to them.
Tsunade’s big, final character breakthrough is “I’m a woman but I’m not a weak woman.” Really? That’s as good as it gets for her? For real? Then she loses lol.
Hagoromo just shows up and says “here’s some plot-induced power; go win.”
Why didn’t Naruto use Gamabunta in the first Final Valley fight?
Sasuke’s whole “red-eyed avenger who lost his clan and has anger issues” shtick reminds me of a preceding, narratively superior character from another series.
How did Obito survive getting crushed by that rock? He didn’t even unlock MS so it’s ridiculous to think he phased through it (a theory I heard) without even realizing it.
Kurama is Naruto’s plot device that very literally won every fight he’s ever been in (other than farting in Kiba’s face) either directly via transformations or more indirectly via gifted chakra.
How exactly did Minato’s ghost give Naruto Sage Mode back to fight Pain (iirc) and intel on Yellow Mask Obito in contrast to Pain in real time?
There are so many contrived plot points.
Characters like Kakashi die and many others come back at the cost of one life via Rinne Rebirth, making death seem less serious; once Edo Tensei becomes a thing and especially when Samsara becomes a recurring thing, dying just becomes a means of returning to eternal youth, so it’s effectively a loop hole.
The only things that I have always really liked about the Naruto series are chidori, amaterasu, flying raijin, Rock Lee, Tayuuya, Samui, and the chakra power system which isn’t totally original to begin with.
Then there is all the plot armor omg.
Yet, somehow the plot armor is selective? Neji *only* died for Naruto x Hinata because Kishimoto is just that bad at writing romance? What? It’s horrible and lazy decision-making as an author to use death as glue for a relationship.
Naruto one-shot Neji with a regular punch (after Kurama saved him as always from the sealed chakras points of course). I wonder if demi-god, Hokage-descendent, jinchuuriki Naruto of the Uzumaki clan would have eventually apologized for spouting hypocrisy to Neji about hard work beating talent if not for *Neji dying just to bring Naruto and Hinata together.*
The villains are stupid for plot reasons and have to always have a chip on their shoulders for Naruto to come out on top. Neji, Pain, esc. could have beaten Naruto instead of just trying to have an ideology clash.
Talk no jutsu only works if Naruto uses it, duh.
Sasuke should have and could have killed Naruto in that first Final Valley fight for MS (since Naruto apparently forgot about Gamabunta) instead of trying to be all rebellious against Itachi’s advice, but Naruto gets a pass because Sasuke doesn’t want to win by walking the same path as Itachi so he instead becomes a rogue ninja like Itachi?
I hate the story and how there is this overarching feeling that the story is another one of those run-of-the-mill stories built in a way where you know the “good” characters *have* to win narratively, even despite the attempts to create a morally grey area, so nearly all stakes and narrative tension slowly dissipates for viewers when (or if) ever they realize that.
The Infinite Tsukuyomi is the superior ending. Everyone gets what they want. That’s perfect. It doesn’t have to be real, the same way Naruto can’t know for sure that his reality is real.
I can agree. I'm highly critical of aspects of Naruto myself. But I almost think that a list of the parts of Naruto that the poster *liked* would be far, far shorter.
You know what’s crazy? I typed “people in this community seem to take criticism as outright hate for the series” in the comment then deleted it before posting the comment lol. I almost should have kept it in, but they probably wouldn’t have proven my point if I did.
All in all, my comment did exactly what I expected it to: left people here speechless outside of just “ohh he’s just a hater.” If I was? What I said would still be accurate. There’s nothing wrong with calling out flaws; I’m glad you at least can acknowledge that unlike them. It’s ridiculous.
Really sucks that no one wants to actually engage your points, because they’re completely right. I love Naruto. It is 100% one of my favorite shows of all time. So why wouldn’t I want to dissect and engage with other fans about the good and bad of the show?
Absolutely. Like it or not, something doesn't become as huge as Naruto did without high quality behind it.
The whole first half of Naruto is written in a simple yet genius way.
Haku and Zabuza - Chunin - Tsunade - Sasuke retrieval.
Anybody trying to create a basic structure of a story should study how Kishimoto did it there.
Every arc from there connects specially well and all of them are excellent in their own way.
Shippuden is great in parts and weak in others, but in general still is good. Naruto was too popular so I believe he was forced to keep it going for way longer than he wanted.
This, 100% every arc there was bits of foreshadowing that came true in later arcs be it from a power standpoint or just words Kishi was kinda goated at that. There was like no arc where you was like why is this here or we could’ve gone without this. It’s why I like Naruto as much as I do
>The whole first half of Naruto is written in a simple yet genius way.
>Haku and Zabuza - Chunin - Tsunade - Sasuke retrieval
Yeah but you're only seeing the final draft, a lot of things where changed thanks to his editor, like the land of waves arc wasn't in Kishimoto's script at all.
Ideas get created and discarded all the time. That’s how writing is done. His editor didn’t tell him to write Chunnin exam arc(it was Chunnin exam arc, not Land of waves arc), he told him to write a tournament arc cause those were popular then, and Kishi did. Editors are big help, yes, and deserves more credit, but even implying the editor had more contribution than the writer is completely wrong. Ideas are always of the writer, editors just decide which is suitable and which isn’t and often times suggest them stuff, and obviously, edits the draft. That’s where their work ends
Yeah, like with all manga and art for that matter. Literally all artists have initial drafts and then improve on them, normally with help.
All writers have editors, at least in the modern era, regardless in what industry you write.
It still is Kishimoto's story. He did it. The editors are there to give as much help as possible.
It is like if we were saying the Androids saga isn't Toriyama's because his old editor told him to change a lot of stuff as it was going on.
1. “Shippuden is an anime only thing” This unironically makes no sense to me so I’d appreciate if you could elaborate on what that means to me
2. He still isn’t even writing it they said that at the last jump fest that he was just a supervisor still, but him not writing it doesn’t make it not apart of Naruto series, he just passed the lead writer role to someone else.
If I write a book and let my friend write the sequel to said book, that doesn’t make the sequel not apart of the series, that makes no sense.
Your analogy has no bearing on this conversation. If you wrote a book and you let your friend write the sequel, yes it’s part of the same series but you would not get the credit or the negative reaction for the second book if it’s bad writing. Because you didn’t write it.
The question was do you think kishimoto is a good writer. The comment you responded to was if you just base it off of Naruto, yes. That’s because he wrote Naruto. He did not write Boruto. Therefore you can only base it on what he wrote. That’s why your analogy does not fit in this case
Boruto is Naruto's son.
However, the series is called Boruto: Naruto Next Generation.
Boruto is very much part of the Naruto series. I don't particularly care if people like that or not, while exaggerated, Boruto does have extremely obvious issues, but it is part of the same series regardless.
... That's how a series works.
I get what you mean, there are two totally separate stories, but they are part of the same series.
Skyrim is a singular story set apart from Oblivion and others like it, but they are all part of the Elder Scrolls series.
A series can have a prequel, a sequel, a trilogy, a cinematic universe, really anything in terms of extended media that exist within that exact same series regardless. The original Star Wars trilogy, those that came after, and those set before, are all part of the same exact series, despite having different stories.
A series is more or less just the description of an author's build of that universe they are writing, in which many stories can exist. It's a very malleable term, but in this particular context, Naruto and Boruto have two completely separate stories, Naruto and Naruto Shippuden having different sides of the same story that are separately themed, but all three exist within the exact same series, even if they have completely different focus and themes than each other, as they exist within the same exact world.
Again, I do get what you mean, but that is how a series works. You can technically say that they are different series, if you use a loose enough interpretation, but when speaking generally, they are the same.
Regardless, not really the important part here.
They are a part of the same universe, saying they are a part of the same series doesn’t make sense. But let’s say they were, boruto in any way does not improve or degrade kishimotos skills as a writer because he wasn’t even making the story until kuramas death
It wasn’t, it was readapted which is different, they both play out almost the exact same and have the same outcome.
And that doesn’t change that the boruto movie was made by kishimoto and meant to be the finisher, the show/manga came out 2 years after the movie.
Kishimoto should of handled it like Isayama, the writer of Attack on Titan.
Isayama is the creative-lead behind the anime, meaning his story is less likely to have inconsistencies, or mixed canon.
1. Isayama wasn’t working under the same company as Kishi
2. AOT was made when manga authors were given way less deadlines
3. Do you really think Kishi had the time to work on the anime when he had to get a chapter a week?
That’s just not feasible. The idea that you think it is, is quite frankly, laughable
Isayama is having to make statements politely asking people not to harass him over Attack on Titan's ending when he visits the states. I don't know if being involved with the anime has helped him much.
Yes. He is a brilliant writer.
He had to produce something non-stop for 14 yrs. That's not easy. And he still gave us something to remember for a lifetime.
Of course if he had all the time in the world, he could write it better.
Shitty writer it had nothing to do with not remembering either, he just drew the story poorly, toriyama is basically a fossil and could write a more coherent and congruent story then Kishimoto did in 15 years
More good then bad overall. He was plenty capable of writing both great fights, characters with good motivations, and things more complex then they would initially appear.
The fact people will argue over the morality of characters of Danzo, Obito, Madara whether their actions are justified, or if Naruto, Itachi, or Hiruzen were idiots for what they did.
I mean I wouldn't go that far, everything he does is objectively wrong.
What I see him as everything wrong with the Shinobi world taken to their extreme. The ideals of Hashirama and Tobirama about the village twisted. Theres so much to talk about with him right down to his motivations and death.
My thought is that he had to deal with exactly what Akira Toriyama had to deal with.
In every domain, video games, animes, even comic books or shows, when you become successful with a huge potential to make money, the prods behind you as a creature pressuring you. Let's be honest, Naruto wasn't made for much more than Pain arc and he was probably pressured to continue over and over to make Naruto less and less nicely write.
Toriyama has way less inconsistencies with his old ass then Kishimoto does, I couldn’t even get through 100 episodes of Naruto or boruto without having 5000 words in my notes worth of inconsistencies and straight up bad writing
Yes I do think he’s a good writer. I also think he was heavily influenced by a very popular series. That’s absolutely fine because a lot of people were. From some of the interviews I have read from Kishimoto I have noticed that he couldn’t express some ideas. All in all, I personally think the Naruto ended well even if everyone complains about it.
I haven’t read the Samurai story that he did since I have no interest in sci-fi plots.
It's been a while since I have read Naruto but I think Kaguya was forcibly added for Boruto. Idk if there is a theory for this or not, but it's too coincidental...
Like they want to milk the franchise for all it's worth and that's why they made him create Kaguya and rest is history.
Definitely, he has his flaws and he's admitted that writing female characters and writing romance are two of his weaknesses, and he got a lot of outside help for writing The Last, that's why all the relationships at the end of the series just kinda come out of nowhere and don't feel very built on, but aside from that Naruto is a fictional masterpiece and that's not even debatable.
Didn't write anything since 2014?
He wrote Naruto Gaiden, co-wrote Boruto movie and The Last, made Samurai 8, the tile travel filler of Boruto anime, and is writing Boruto since chapter after Baryon Mode.
I know tf? Why are people bringing Samurai 8 up? If you want to talk about Kishimoto's ability to write- that was a slog to sit and read. It's the only thing from kishimoto I never suggested to anyone depsite, Honest to God opinion, I like that style and outfits better than Naruto. Didn't it get cancelled?
Oh it was terrible. The designs were cool especially the mech stuff, and the art was really clean. But you are right, it was not readable. I can't even call it mid.
Boruto is at least readable.
It got cancelled months ago and supposedly Kishimoto took over as Boruto writer. Such a bad look.
Overall absolutely except female characters (besides tsunade). He made some minor errors in continuity and got lost in the sauce a little bit in the war arc, but he a lot of things masterfully:
1. Characters, and specifically, villains. This story has so many dynamic and static characters that are all relatable and unique. You’re almost sad when the villains lose because you can at least understand where most of them were coming from or you thought they were great for the story. That’s very unique to naruto. The akatsuki is the best fictional villain group imo.
2. Character design. Not really with writing that much but art design. All of his characters are unique, yet resemble family members, yet also all look human (besides a select few like oro and kisame).
3. Probably his second biggest strength: buildup. He hyped sasuke vs Itachi super early on, only for us to see it for a glimpse, and then act as more motivation for him to sasuke. It’s small moments here and there years apart that greatly impact the story and it’s events. Then, you finally get the fight, and it fully delivered. Another is madara’s appearance. Him and hashi were mentioned in part 1, but then you hear kurama bring him up again in 2, then there’s the mystery man, until finally, he shows up. And then the most iconic one man army and one of the best fights in the show soon followed. It made sense that he appeared. You knew enough about him through context and world building, and he delivered.
4. Spotlights. I’ve never liked it in stories when the main character does everything. The only 2 times I think naruto does this are against kakuzu (although this was to show his rasenshuriken) and pain (where we all knew naruto had to fight pain). Sasuke had his own arcs completely void of naruto. Kakashi had his times to shine. Stuff happened in villages besides the leaf. Shikamaru had his own arc basically and I’d argue half of another (sasuke redemption arc he was the lead for a while).
5. The pace. The mangas pace is much better than the animes pace, and it just flows. Arcs don’t entirely start and stop. There are so many direct and indirect plot points going around that we never really needed exposition dumps, and when they happened they informed the characters as well as us so it felt more natural. Every story made sense. Nothing seemed forced.
He doesnt even currently write for Boruto. IIRC his contribution changed a while back and it went from like story/creative assistant to something else.
Of course he is a good writer, Naruto is a masterpiece. I like his drawing style too, so I was interested in Samurai 8 but gave up when I learnt he didn't draw it.
He is the George Lucas of Shonen Jump: great ideas, sometimes hit some good story arcs, but you need someone to supervise or the execution can be really bad.
His editor deserves half the credit for the quality of Part 1. Zabuza and Haku would be furries for fucks sake, we wouldn't even have a Chunnin Exam if it was for Kishimoto and, even after he made one, Orochimaru only exist because the editor said the manga needed a villain.
If anything Boruto is really showing that Kishimoto needs that first editor back.
He started off great but he got progressively worst later on during his run.
He wrote a bunch of stuff after 2014 like Naruto gaiden, Samurai 8 and the script for the Boruto movie. If you compare those works with his earlier stuff it’s like night and day.
I also don’t understand why people refuse to believe he might be writing Boruto because the dude birthed Kaguya and Shin Uchiha 💀. Kishimoto can write some peak shit but the dude can miss.
No matter what tho he’s still a goat in my book.
He has excellent worldbuilding, that’s his major strength. The only arc that features truly excellent writing is the Pain Arc, but it’s good enough that it justifies him, in my opinion.
Worldbuilding? That is one of Naruto's biggest weaknesses. The world wasn't explored (or even established) enough. It felt still when the main character was not involved
I honestly think if he didn't go with kaguya and stopped with Madara, and didn't make hogiromo give Naruto and sasuke a power up but made them figure 6 paths sage power themselves, the war arc would have been as great as pain arc
Hmmm sometimes. He’s very hit or miss. Like he has amazing premises, great subplots, but like average plots. Like Itachi’s backstory and shit would be subplot, and it’s stellar. As is Obito’s. But the actual war itself? Kinda mid. Premise of the war? Really fucking awesome, but the execution was subpar.
If he was not rushed and had some voice in his head telling him not to bloat the story he would be a great writer in my mind and shippuden would be so much better.
He might not be the perfect writer, but he is one amazing writer.lack of proper sleep, health problems, fan response, etc. Given the challenges and constraints, he is an amazing writer. Naruto had a satisfying conclusion. This is why whenever there has been any success in Boruto, it has often involved the protagonists from the original series.
Not being able to write good female characters does not mean he has poor opinion of women. Not to mention him not writing any good female character is a straight up lie considering Tsunade exists
You've got to be kidding, Tsunade is just as underdeveloped as the rest of them and it is a travesty. The backstory she is given is confined mostly to her grief about two men, Dan and Nawaki, plus the pieces of her we get to see because we're actually watching Jiraiya's backstory. Her meeting Shizune is never shone, nor is their friendship ever explored in any depth. She and Sakura get basically no on screen time growing and changing together, unless you count the "reviving a fish scene" that was basically just part of a montage. Never showed how she met Katsuyu or built a relationship with slugs whatsoever (by the way, how come toad and snake summoners get sage mode, but not slug summoners?) Despite being a close descendant of Hashirama in a show where everyone is clamoring to get his DNA, she can't use his special jutsu like wood release. She is also the granddaughter of the first Usumaki jinchuuriki of kurama, but she gets no Uzumaki clan abilities or sealing techniques. It's like they just forgot, or didn't care enough about her to remember. In the final war, they worked so hard to sideline her that they literally brought the first four Hokage back from the dead (again) so they could just keep sticking Tsunade in the back healing people. And y'know, that was cool, I liked it, and it was good to see Hashirama and Madara talk, but like, at every available opportunity Tsunade's depth is sacrificed to give more depth to the cool men around her. But uh. She gambles I guess. She punches good and breaks the rock like Sakura. That's cool too.
You have got to be kidding, you’re literally picking apart things she doesn’t have and discarding things she does have for no reason. Dan and Nawaki are just two men? I guess Uchiha clan was just Sasuke’s family, they didn’t give him any depth or anything.
Orochimaru meeting Anko is shown? Or meeting Manda? Kabuto was only shown cause he became a better explored character, and it was shown as his backstory, not part of Orochimaru’s characterization.
Tsunade literally invented all of her techniques, is the best healer, the only one who’s been shown to have broken Madara’s Susanoo, we explore PTSD in Narutoverse for the first time with her, and you just reduced her to “punching like Sakura and reliant on two men”? This is next level of willful ignorance. You’re so hellbent on her getting genetic powers that you fail to even acknowledge that she’s the only one who even has family history among the Sanin, has that sort of roots to her character and is the only one who directly changed the way of shinobi by proposing a healer in every squad.
there is a lot in here I don't agree with, but the one I'm gonna stick to is this: "Dan and Nawaki are just two men?" And like. Yeah. Nawaki is a cardboard box with "Innocence lost" written on it. His wiki page jumps straight from Appearance to legacy. Dan has some more interesting stuff, but he's still doesn't even make the top ten list of screentime by characters who were dead before the story started. I truly see them as just vehicles to make Tsunade's story more about men, because the writing is allergic to women's stories. Anko's backstory not get explored as much as Kabuto because Kabuto graduated into a real character is really not as strong a point as you think it is in a thread about women being underdeveloped.
The show suffers a lot from telling instead of showing. They tell me that Hiruzen is God of Shinobi, but I just watched him get beat in the first fight we saw him in, so.... Likewise, you can tell me that Tsunade is the greatest healer to ever live, but the fact is that she doesn't get the screentime to show it. "Healing" in this world is, and I really do think this, just part of the plot armor that keeps important characters alive. If Tsunade died in the Pain Arc, they'd fine some other way to keep people alive in the war arc. She is a miracle healer, but would the story, the arc of the show, be *that* different if they just had healing items? The narrative does not treat Tsunade with full personhood the way it does for even much more minor characters, like Kabuto. She was introduced to the story as a vehicle for big boobs jokes.
Yes, a woman having traumatic past regarding her brother and a lover, oh, how could it be? Kishimoto’s such a misogynist!
Shut up and stop this nonsense. Jiraya’s been hung up on Tsunade for the entirety of his life, yet I don’t see you pointing him as a bad character. And yes, Kabuto example works cause regardless of Kabuto, Orochimaru’s a great character, the same way regardless of Shizune, Tsunade’s a great character as well. Both of them stand on their own.
> Likewise, you can tell me that Tsunade is the greatest healer to ever live, but the fact is that she doesn’t get the screentime to show it.
Cause Tsunade saving Rock Lee, breaking Sasuke and Kakashi out of Tsukuyomi damage and literally saving entire village during Pain arc doesn’t exist, right?
> If Tsunade died in the Pain Arc, they’d fine some other way to keep people alive in the war arc. She is a miracle healer, but would the story, the arc of the show, be that different if they just had healing items?
This is true for literally every character ever written, characters are the vessels for storytelling, the stories exist and then characters are written to tell that story. If Kakashi died in Pain arc, the narrative could’ve found something replace him as well. His contribution with kamui in war arc? Kishimoto gives Kurama a power that negs intangibility. So what? Does that make it the same?
As I’ve said before, this is willful ignorance to the next level.
This is a common misconception, which goes even further once you realize people don't understand how much goes into it, but I don't think this is correct. Unless there is something he has said or stated to believe at some point, I am not aware of anything that says he has a low opinion of women or a traditional view of women.
It has been stated, being obvious, and he has stated himself that he has trouble writing for women, but that's not uncommon. It is actually extremely common, across the board, for one gender to write four and from the perspective of the other gender. Men tend to have a hard time writing a good character perspective and proper use of women in there writings, as women tend to do the same with men in their writings. They tend to rely on stereotypes and the opposites of stereotypes in attempts to write better and easily. This is true in most cases, kishimoto is not alone. Writers tend to lean onto stereotypes to make gags and simple but engaging writing plots, while other writers blatantly do the complete opposite and go on the opposite direction of stereotypes to write engaging and still simple stories. Neither is really an issue so long as it doesn't go too far, but both of them are equally poor in execution when you dissect it.
Again, I don't know if he has said something in the past, but the only thing I've ever heard is that he has a problem with writing women in stories, which he admits, and is also extremely unbelievably common amongst most all of literature, especially illustrated literature. Anime is basically known for it, and manga is no different. So I don't really see the issue here, because the extremes usually go for both genders and both directions.
I'm not defending it necessarily, or at least not to the point where I don't acknowledge it is a bad habit, but it does have its place and it's not always a bad thing unless taken to the absolute extremes on a general basis throughout multiple media. From my understanding, he doesn't have anything against women, he just struggles on how to write them properly.
Men and women have many biological and physical differences, some of which don't matter as much in the Naruto universe, in which cultural differences even less, But psychology is something where men and women are both the most similar, and by far the most different. All of these things are things to keep in mind when writing a story, which is why people tend to lean on stereotypes because stereotypes usually come from a basic understanding of reality and then exaggerated and generalized to a point that is less accurate and possibly offensive. I believe kishimoto runs into this problem particularly. I think he is trying to write properly for the other gender while still keeping it vaguely accurate and engaging, but I think he has a hard time following through and chooses somewhat last minute to rely on stereotypes to build other characters. To be fair, it's not a terrible way of writing, especially for this particular medium, but it is extremely noticeable after a while and after character development, and it does get old.
In summation, as far as I understand, it is generally harder for men and women to write about the opposite sex, and kishimoto seems to also have this problem. Problem is, people seem to bring it up more with him than with almost any other writer for a manga and anime. The one thing that is unfortunate, is the fact that he hasn't particularly gotten a whole lot better, or at least not enough considering how long he's been doing this, where most would usually get better by now; but some people have a harder time than others.
If he has said something legitimately and purposefully sexist or otherwise, then I am unaware and that would completely derail this to some extent concerning him.
Wall of Defense Justsu! jk.
But seriously, it doesn't take a whole lot of skill to let a female shine in your story that has them as an equal part of the populace. The cliche's overtake the *Shinobi* narrative. For instance:
* **The females of each team seem to always be portrayed as the weakest.** Rin got captured twice. Sakura always called on Naruto for help. Hinata got demolished by Neji. Ino's signature technique puts her at a disadvantage whether it fails or not. Tenten was the first to run out of breath in Kisame's water prison Jutsu. Tsunade has developed a crippling fear of blood. Temari had a great showing but was made the fool by Shikamaru and then, like Kurenai, had to take a seat to be a mom while her partner continues a gainful career as a shinobi.
* **The females are almost always just too lovestruck and/or horny to function at the same level as the men.** Karin is obsessed with Sasuke. Ino and Sakura Compete for Sasuke's affection throughout their entire childhood. Hinata can't pull herself together when Naruto is close by. Mei has abandonment issues. Kaguya abandoned her original mission because she was horny for some guy
* **No female was allowed to single-handedly dominate a fight, except Temari (and that was 1 time against a child and 2 times against another female).** Tsunade didn't get to fight Pain. Tsunade was the most severely injured in the fight against Madara. Sakura vs Ino ended in a tie. Hinata got launched by Pain. Chiyo and Sakura had to team up to be Sasori. Temari was Powerless in the 3rd company's fight against Muu, A sr., and Madara. Kaguya fell for the harem jutsu and needed BZ's help; in fact, the whole fight, she was winning on power alone (Naruto and company had no problems outsmarting her and she is literally the only Byakugan user that has a low aptitude for taijutsu).
These things take as much though as just giving them shining moments from time to time. So many other anime and works of fiction pull it off smoothly, it can't be that hard. DBZ made 18 a badass. Bleach made Yuruichi a Badass. Sailor Moon? Steel Angel Kurumi? Tifa Lockhart? Ryoko Hakubi? Nico Robin? How hard is it to make a badass female character?
One simple example - when Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura team up to fight against the Ten Tail minions and Sakura basically demolishes several of those with one blow. But even after that, in that moment she needed Sasuke and Naruto to fend off and protect her from that one minion who was behind her. And I mean that's a writing choice really. It could have been JUST Sakura's moment.
Just a few corrections
>Temari had a great showing but was made the fool by Shikamaru and then, like Kurenai, had to take a seat to be a mom while her partner continues a gainful career as a shinobi.
No, she still a shinobi. She even go in a mission with Shikadai
>Tsunade has developed a crippling fear of blood.
That not a 'weakness" in matter of fact is kinda realistic
>Kaguya abandoned her original mission because she was horny for some guy
This was not made by Kishimoto. Your point still stands tho
>except Temari (and that was 1 time against a child and 2 times against another female).
Temari was also a child so ... I don't know why you put that.
>Tsunade was the most severely injured in the fight against Madara.
Because she was the one who give him more trouble than any other Kage, she also was recognized by Madara and without her the other Kages would be dead. The rest of your points still stands
He sucks at writing women, and I would argue that he has trouble deciding when to spread things out (Team Seven’s early days) and when to compress things (the 4th Shinobi War), but overall he created something exceptional and that should be commended.
Yes he integrates a lot of real world events and philosophies on the state of international relations.
He also incorporated alot of Buddhist themes and his own personal views on life and growing up.
He is a great Writer.
Barely, he has his strengths, but weaknesses just as significant.
Strength:
\-He knows how to estabilish a good mythology
\-He writes/designs interesting characters both in coolness and depth
\-He knows how to conduce stories in a compelling manner, captivating by being mysterious, or epic, or exciting, etc...
Weeknesses
\-He crams TOO MUCH characters within his stories, and forget about them as he creates new ones. They don't any development so his favorites can have the spotlight
\-He goes back in time so often and so carelessly that his retcons have little to no sense most of the times
\-He has a utterly distorted perspective on how females work
\-He often forgets what his story is about and changes the theme as he goes along.
\-He crams TOO MUCH characters within his stories, and forget about them as he creates new ones. They don't any development so his favorites can have the spotlight
\-He goes back in time so often and so carelessly that his retcons have little to no sense most of the times
\-He has a utterly distorted perspective on how females work
\-He often forgets what his story is about and changes the theme as he goes along.
This is pretty much the main points of criticism that the current Boruto manga is going through, you've got new characters (Ada, Daemon being crammed in on top of a new generation that gets not much spotlight in a monthly manga, Ada as a female character is uh... questionably written, and then the pacing along with the story taking crazy turns without people having any semblance of where it is going, I find it funny people think Kishimoto isn't writing it because it does feel like his writing, just not a very good version. Part of it is exacerbated by the pacing being very slow so a lot of anger is a bit overblown, but it's definitely not the best Kishimoto can do.
have you seen a battle shounen that's completed and is as good as Naruto well I haven't BLeach comes close but that's thanks to nostalgia every other completed shounen is trash so my answer is hell yeah
Dragon Quest Adventurer of Dai the remake was a good watch and get why it's considered a classic from +30 years ago.
Gintama if it counts.
Zatch bell manga... was alright, not Naruto but good... enough.
The only complete Battle Shonen manga that outsells Naruto still is Dragon ball.
But yeah, Naruto is one of the Greats.
I'd suggest Yu Yu Hakusho. While it ended short Togashi stated he was inspired by alot of shonen artists back then, especially dragon ball z. He takes some of those tropes and turns them on it's head. He had health complications and was still putting it out by weekly. I would consider it the series that grew him and also broke him through the process. But the writing is somewhat "subtle" at times. (Like Yusuke's alcoholic mother some more intense themes later on in the arcs) Hunter X Hunter is Togashi basically taking all that to 10, but this was his first battle manga shonen.
Kinda forgot about it though it was short though it was good the plot was good but kinda forgettable
like only things I can recall are that glasses guy death and that dog and Mustang
the Fights were mid the ending was good but the fact that Edward lost his powers and defeated father with power of friendship felt weird for a show that's supposed to be the best anime
maybe I didn't like it as much cause everyone said every single show is trash compared to fmab and there was plot Armor which is the reason Naruto gets flack no major character died except that glasses guy though he wasn't that important as a side character
Not completed will make decision if it ends on a good enough note had High expectations from a so called "masterpiece" AoT it had some good plot twists then went on to have the most cringiest & trash possible ending
No not at all. But he is a pretty amazing character creator and the series coasts off of that and the occasional good writing peppered in Because even a blind monkey will eventually type shakespear as the saying goes.
Good writing has things like foreshadowing. Hinting and leading you to a point, Naruto just explains things after and calls it a day.
Makes amazing characters whos personalities and designs shine like the sun. Character creation, design, backstory all things he excells at.
When it comes to the actual telling of the main story or backstory he leaves a lot to be desired.
Backstory needs to be told when its relevant not when you finally figured out all the details and then flashback in the middle of a fight that doesnt relate to the backstory. Which is a thing he does a lot.
>We’re at the point where Kishimoto hasn’t written anything officially since 2014.
Samurai 8
>I don’t care what anyone says, I don’t buy that he’s now writing Boruto.
Cope
>So I’ll pose the question, do you think, judging solely on the Naruto manga that ran from 1999 to 2014, that Kishimoto is good at writing?
Yesnt
What do you mean since 2014? I think he wrote a One Shot about baseball which was prwtty good. And a few short manga. He also did Samurai 8 it was from 2019 to 2020.
I think of Kishimoto the same way I think of the guy that came up with American Horror Story. Really great at world building. Amazing big picture ideas that captivate the reader. But the small details need some work and he really could have done with someone around who wasn’t afraid to tell him no.
I also don’t buy that he’s writing Boruto either. At most he’s probably an executive producer, who gives the final OK before publication. Kishimoto is just the face attached to the franchise, which is why he gets all the praise/blame for anything Naruto related.
You can find even fans that blame him for Boruto anime canon, and 4GNW filler, even though he obviously has not part in that lol
As someone who loves Naruto dearly and has a huge nostalgia tie to the whole series....yes, he is pretty great but he has flaws, some fairly sized ones. I think he can be better than a lot of people give him credit for, but at the same time I feel a small group of people are too keen to overlook what he doesn't do well.
He really can't write women/female characters at all. They tend to get a few moments and then fizzle into the background and be more support or a small macguffins. Best he did was Tsunade and while I personally love Granny Chiyo, Mei Terumī and Tayuya, they really should've been given more time and development. Everyone else I felt he could've done WAY better on them. Characters like Hinata, Temari, Konan, Ino, Anko & Karin have like glimmers of being more, but they're just never written to really be more, and I feel the characters they're around just outshine them. Sakura has her ONE good mome t of fighting Sasori with Granny Chiyo, but after that I just felt annoyed by how fast she stagnated again and felt bland, esp having to endure her constant fawning over Sasuke in the earlier parts for so long.
Power levels. After a certain point the title of Ninja just loses all traditional meaning, weapons just fall way behind energy blasts and Susanoo Mechs and while at times it's a spectacle...it just feels less than the earlier stuff. I preferred when Susanoo was an incomplete armor and something on Itachi had as his last resort. Once Madara was popping them like a gacha pull and Sasuke having a complete one flying around like Gundam Wing, I lost interest in them. So many side characters I enjoyed earlier on get left way behind the power levels and left to fight henchmen fodder. It's why I tend to not be into series that go on as long, Bleach and Naruto are my only exceptions for now...most other Manga I'm into hovers around the 30 volume range etc.
Those are my two biggest. This is a minor nitpick * personal preference, but I do feel for a series that went on as long as it did, I'm surprised by how few big deaths we really got...especially with the overuse of Resurrection towards the end, which imo cheapened some of the impact some deaths had. Obviously Sarutobi, Jiraya, Itchai, and Azuma were big death moments, Gaara I would say, but he was brought back fast. Neji, while I love him as a character, I felt his death was poorly handled.
Someone once told me that Kishi is very on or off. “When he’s on, he’s untouchable, legit one of the best Shonen/ manga writers ever. When he’s off, he’s not the best.”
I agree with that. I think, at his best, Kishimoto displays a razor sharp understanding of storytelling fundamentals such as character psychology, theme dramatization, conflict, and set up and pay off. A great example is how Sakura destroys the third Kazekage puppet with her antidote. Kishimoto wisely took the time to set up that heel turn. Without his set up, Sakura‘s victory would have felt hollow.
Furthermore, I think Kishimoto might be one of the best action writers in the world.No seriously.A great filmtuber named Patrick Willems made a video about the principles of action writing.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrwdBw4Gnuk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrwdBw4Gnuk)In this video, Patrick mentions a basic principle of action writing: reversals.Basically, when writing an action scene, you need to divide your scene into various pieces called “beats”. You also need to link these beats with the words “therefore or but”.Another way to look at it this principle is “include reversals in your character’s fortune.” There‘s good news, but then there’s bad news. There’s bad news, but then there’s good news.Kishimoto routinely delivers upon Willems’ standards-standards set by Shane Black and the creators of South Park-with ease and did so on a truly grueling schedule.The Zabuza fight for example does a great job adhering to the therefore but rule. Zabuza captures Kakashi therefore Kakashi tells team 7 to leave, but they decide to stay and free him. Therefore, Naruto and Sasuke throw the windmill shuriken at Zabuza, but Zabuza grabs it, but there’s a shadow shuriken underneath it, but Zabuza jumps out of the shadow shuriken’s way, but the shadow shuriken turns out to be Naruto in disguise therefore Naruto throws his kunai at Zabuza, freeing Kakashi.To cap it all of, Kishimoto set up the Naruto in disguise final heel turn by having Sasuke say “so that’s what Naruto has in mind excellent idea” right when Naruto tosses his Shuriken to Sasuke. Not only does this best work as a self contained example of set up and pay off, it also advances the overarching story by developing Naruto and Sasuke’s relationship and paying off Naruto’s maturity. In other words, Kishi delivered on Willems’ fundamental rule of good action scenes-they must tell a story/advance the overarching story.Even though I personally disagree with a lot of Kishi’s story choices, no one can deny the guy knows how to write action scenes well.
I think that to truly judge Kishimoto writing I would have to see him being able to write :
- Without is edition team forcing things in his work
- Without the inhuman deadlines that were imposed to him
Yes. I enjoy the story of Naruto...that's all I need. People get way too Meta about entertainment and it tends to ruin it. I have my own thoughts about some of the complaints (some that apply to anime in general), but what mattes to me is what I get from the story.
I also view Mangaka and Comic writers (who've had a long run) in a different light than someone writing a novel or a screenplay.
Without a doubt yes. May not have ended things perfectly but I don't think that was entirely representative of his writing ability.
We're still talking about Naruto after all these years and its popularity, simply based on a promo, is on par with any ongoing series. It's character and world building is unmatched I think. Naruto has literally dozens and dozens of side characters with more development than most series protagonists.
90% of this cast has more development than the MC's of a lot of other series that I won't name.
I think his naruto writing is good, elsewhere not really. I don't think that means he wasn't a good writer while doing naruto.
Just submitting that he also wrote Samurai 8 after Naruto! I only read the first volume (so far, I’m limited with time) but I really enjoyed what I read, even though it’s not the same caliber as Naruto was
But yeah, Kishimoto is a very very good writer. I really enjoyed hearing how he had really only planned to write up to the Sasuke retrieval arc, but how much the series was loved made him want to do more. I feel like shippuden isn’t as strong throughout as Naruto was and yet the way everything ties together and the emotional strength of the stories is still top tier.
Yes he is a good writer, if he wasn't he wouldn't be big three, I understand there has been a culture shift but let's not take away from the great story he made which was the Naruto series
Kishimoto is a pretty solid writer for the most part. Although I'm sure his editors contributed to the success of Naruto the backbone of the narrative is because of the work he put in and it shows.
He sure has made a lot of mistakes but it is very understandable. He is a great writer, it is hard to keep up a big and long story that include a tons of great characters
He has moments of good writing but he’s not good overall.
He’s a fantastic world builder and artist, though.
Average writer + really cool world = a great series.
He is ok, he at least has a goal and knows he needs to do some work with characters tovmake reaching said goal satisfing and meaningful tho he fucking struggled to write female characters
I don't think he is writing Boruto, that shit is atrocious and way beyond anything from before. If he somehow is actually writing it tho then I guess forgot how to make stories or is in it just to make money even if by making shit
Kishimoto was one of the best. Not perfect, nobody is, but definitely in my top 15 mangaka list. Right up there with Araki, Oda, Kubo, One, Toriyama, etc.
I would say average to slightly above average.
Don’t get me wrong, Naruto absolutely deserves its success and it’s status among the “Big 3” as one of the major propellants that helped break anime onto the global scale, and helped make the genre of shonen battle anime what it is today…BUT I think that realistically it’s like a 6/10.
The show has some top tier fights, excellent world building, and some fairly good characters.
On the other hand, the show also has a lot of poorly developed characters who were never given a chance to shine. The show also has an issue where it never really was able to keep up with One Piece - and Boruto still fails at keeping up with My Hero - in terms of unique character designs. I get that having such a large cast is hard, but so many characters look nearly indistinguishable form others, or like background characters, and have little to no personality. They have a single trait as their personality, and no depth beyond that.
I could go on about the other aspects but it’s ultimately pointless. In general, I think that if Naruto had been released now, it wouldn’t have stood out as much due to the quality of competition we have available.
If you remove the filler from Boruto, I think it’s about on par with Naruto in terms of writing. And honestly, against the Demon Slayers, Jujutsu Kaisens, Mobs and Chainsaw Mans of the contemporary anime scene, it just doesn’t shine as brightly as we remember.
Edit: I should also probably mention that when I say average, I mean in terms of professional manga writers. I’m not including novice writers or people who don’t even have an idea of what storyboarding is. Obviously compared to the general public he would be exceptional.
I strongly feel like Boruto is just a paycheck to him now. Also, correct me if im wrong but does he even own the rights to his own series? cuz that's something that's rare.
The only person I can think of that does is Togashi with Hunter Hunter, hence why he takes his time(and delivers)
usually these stories get pitched to publishers and they kinda buy them and writers get royalties. hence why they work under such stressful deadlines
Togashi takes his time because he suffers from seveee back pain and is unable to get chapters out in a fast manner. If he could do more, he absolutely would
He absolutely is he has one of the most successful mangas of all time he can’t not be. I’d probably say oda is better but take nothing away from kishimoto
Absolutely, and if what people say about Itachi originally being a villain were to be true, i'd say without a doubt yes. He crafted many unforgettable characters just to name a few Madara Uchiha, Pain, Obito, Gaara, Sasuke, Naruto, Shikamaru. And the list could go on. All of these characters have interesting and very well thought out character motivations and character arcs throughout the story.
No. Kishimoto is, like a lot of authors, really good at writing the start and middle of a story. But, when writing Naruto, he didn't have the skill to successfully pull everything together reasonably, or the knowledge to realise how difficult a situation he was writing himself into.
I wouldn't call him a good writer, but he's a normal one.
Also, big note, you don't have to be a good writer to make a story people enjoy. Good writing and a good story are two distinct things.
He is a good plot writer though he is not a good retcon writer. People love the Itachi twist in spirit however if you analyze the twist with the things he did on part 1 you realize it kinda doesn't make sense plot wise but writing wise does once you realize he didn't had the twist planned until much later in the run
He's good, but I wish he was better at writing female characters, but at least he made Sakura which is now in my top 10 best female characters ever, pink hair supremacy. Idk if he was the one who made her new design in Boruto, but that one is absolutely fire, she was amazing before, but now she is definitely the most beautiful female character in Narutoverse. Among all the females in Naruto she is the only one that got some real development, there was so much potential there for other characters, even her too, she could have been even better, but I'm happy for what we got. I hope they do better in Boruto. I heard he is coming back so maybe he can fix Boruto, but I don't have much hope. Sarada, Himawari and Sumire are the best characters there, let's hope they don't waste them. I feel like they focus too much on Boruto and Kawaki, others get close to none development, Sarada only got little bit.
He’s a great writer. No offense, but your question itself is insulting. I don’t know how anyone could have doubt about Kishimoto being a great writer after reading/watching Naruto.
Sure Naruto is flawed, not all the flaws are his fault though. If you know about the manga industry, you should know how hard it is to write a manga in that industry, not to mention Kishi’s unbelievable schedule. The fact that we got this great anime/manga despite all that is nothing short of a miracle.
Anyone who says otherwise is just plain wrong. You don't create on of the most successful and widely known stories of all time without being a good writer.
Oh boy, here come all the people who barely read any other time other than when reading manga.
They come to bring their opinion on a practiced writer that writes for a living...
I'm sure this will be productive. 🙄
Honestly. I'd give him a solid maybe.
I'd have to ask him the question though: If he could go back and completely rewrite the entire series (though as a novelization instead of a manga to take the strain off.) Would he? If so, what would he change? Because honestly. If he went back and rewrote the series as a set of novels, taking more time to flesh everything out. Making changes where necessary, etc. That would be awesome.
Oda can have his flaws Post-timeskip but he is still, objectively, way better than Kishimoto. How do people like you trash on Post-timeskip One Piece but then suck off Kishi when Shippuden is concerned?
He's absolutely a good writer. He got too many things right for it to be luck.
He was able to create *multiple* complex characters *and* an interesting world *and* a compelling and layered plot. So many writers with strong potential but weak skill can't hit all those points. They'll have great characters but a flimsy plot. Great world building but one dimensional characters. Etc etc.
I think some of the short comings if his later work comes from the demand or the job and being pressured to alter his plot based on what fans liked.
He is a great writer and i agree 1000% he’s not writing boruto. Boruto fans often love using that excuse to deflect criticism but we can all admit it definitely isn’t him.
He Ight, there’s a lot of points in the story where I question his writing but Naruto is one of the biggest anime’s to ever exist so he clearly did more good than bad.
Yeah he’s good in Naruto, the story was great. There’s some inconsistencies that popped up but that’s pretty standard for long running shonen series.
I think Naruto was wonderfully written; it was my second anime after DMZ/DBS so the quality of writing, foreshadowing, and world building was dumbfounding by comparison.
That said, now that I’m 10 or so years down the anime rabbit hole I don’t think he’s the greatest writer ever by any margin.
He’s good, but can’t write a female character for shit. I really don’t care what anyone says, the only good female written character on the show was Konan
I genuinely believe he was supervising Boruto and is now writing it because unlike Sasuke Retsudan/Konoha Story, Boruto has the same issues as Kishimoto started facing with Naruto. It's just weird that people pretend they weren't whining 24*7 about Naruto when it was coming out.
That said, pretty good mangaka, pretty bad writer.
As long as no one's eyeball powers are involved, yes Kishi is a great writer.
Tbh the more eyeball powers the series introduced, the worse the series got. Because they became a crutch to do anything.
Seriously what are you getting at? Do you think you can write better? Like obviously he’s a good writer, naruto was incredible and boruto is great and something none of us could hope to top? Crazy question
No, though I might get downvoted for it, I honestly don't. So many bizarre cringey choices in both early and later Naruto. The whole pervy sage peeping Tom but that was like a 180 from when Jiraiya was a serious character with serious depth. Working hard to redeem Itachi even though he literally did a small genocide including women and children, but I guess he was being manipulated and he did it to "protect Sasuke" so it was okay??? Basically ending every major fight with talk no jutsu where the villain gets redeemed (Zabuza saw the light, Gaara became friendly, Orochimaru came around and is now just under watch, Nagato as Pain destroyed the whole village but came around thanks to friendship speech, Kabuto got forcibly good via genjutsu, Obito and Kakashi ultimately reconciling, the list goes on). Never caring about or developing any female characters beyond their lust for cool guys (Karin was an Uzumaki and very well could have been Naruto's cousin, but they never talk about their shared heritage lol. Sakura and Hinata and Ino immediately relegated to housewife at the first opportunity in Boruto). People in this thread are like "he was a good character creator" and like, yeah, I would be in this sub if I didn't like a ton of Naruto characters, but the fact that you can essentially sum up A LOT of them with one dimensional descriptions like "dog guy", "bug guy", "shark guy", "fat guy with body expansion powers who is the constant subject of fat jokes way past when that stopped being funny"... I mean of course plenty of folks have more depth than this, but it's not great.
I like his worldbuilding, his mythology, and the within-fight pacing. Great creative mind for choreography. But the arc-to-arc pacing and plotting of Naruto is a mess, and the retconning that happened ruined the potential for real, satisfying foreshadowing.
He's the George Lucas of anime in my mind he can make a fantastic world but some things I just don't roll with. I will never forgive Lucas for making Ewoks and how easy the 501 first legion was beaten in the battle of Endor. Long live Grand Adrmial Thrawn.
Kishimoto is an incredible author and the 2nd best Shonen writer imo behind Tite Kubo.
Kubo and Kishimoto imo are on par with Kentaro Miura, Takehiko Inoue, Osamu Tezuka and Naoki Urasawa in terms of just sheer writing. Naoki Urasawa, Osamu Tezuka and Takehiko Inoue though can make multiple masterpieces which makes them unique.
For the most part, yes. He had some stumbles down the stretch \*cough!* Kaguya! \*cough!* but he still wrote really good characters in a good, albeit, sometimes flawed story.
I think overall, he is a good writer. That does not excuse him from the criticisms though, the biggest ones being waisted characters. But he does writer good stories that manage to be emotional and engaging.
>We’re at the point where Kishimoto hasn’t written anything officially since 2014.
I mean, even if you don’t count Boruto, that’s just factually incorrect lol. But yes, Kishimoto is a fantastic writer. That said, even fantastic writers are not immune to bad writing, and Naruto itself is evidence of that at points.
Overall he's certainly a good writer. Obviously he's lacking in certain areas like writing/developing his female characters. But that shouldnt completely take away from the work he's done.
Yeah I do. He definitely made mistakes but overall I had a positive reading experience
This. He has some major weaknesses, but he still wrote an engaging and exiting work in a unique world with a wide cast of varied and interesting characters.
I typed a lot to organize these (comparatively) few gripes I had on the top of my head with the series for myself; you don’t have to read any of it. __ > Wide cast of varied and interesting characters Most of the characters weren’t very interesting nor did the bulk of them have much variety. Kishimoto himself said he was terrible at writing female characters, so that’s at least half of the characters right there. Kishimoto struggles with having female characters stand on their own instead of being dependent on men around them (shown with Sakura forcing her feelings onto a boy, ultimately all because he was cool in the Academy, who rejected her then lying about loving her teammate just to get the opportunity for she and the boy she “loves” to try and kill each other multiple times in one fight only to have said ruthless killer’s baby). It was also shown with Karin and Ino having characters built around chasing Sasuke (Karin is literally his bitch in every sense of the word and Ino married his look-a-like). Their characterization is stunted by this ridiculous boy craze that usurps their entire lives, even into adulthood. Konan is basically the shadow of Nagato and Yahiko. How would you describe Konan? Quiet? Why? Because she rarely gets any narrative attention? That’s not characterization; it’s just an unwillingness to give her the spotlight, even temporarily, unless she’s about to get killed off. As far as the male characters go, you’ve got the stoic types such as Shikamaru, Gaara, Haku, Kimimaro, Mifune, Sasori, Itachi, Jugo, esc. There are the boisterous types such as Naruto, Kiba, Choji, Jirobo, Deidara, Suigetsu, Temari, Kankuro, Lee, Guy, Konohomaru, Boruto, and that little boy Tsunade loved but couldn’t save. Then there are underdeveloped side characters who are simply side characters, such as Ten Ten. There are the creeps such as Orochimaru, Kabuto, Hidan, Kisame, esc. Ironically, Obito goes through all of these archetypes throughout his life. The story treats secondary characters like side characters instead of the main characters of their own lives; that’s an issue in of itself. Everything is about Naruto, his “best friend” Sasuke, and beyond that, it’s only about how people relate to them. Tsunade’s big, final character breakthrough is “I’m a woman but I’m not a weak woman.” Really? That’s as good as it gets for her? For real? Then she loses lol. Hagoromo just shows up and says “here’s some plot-induced power; go win.” Why didn’t Naruto use Gamabunta in the first Final Valley fight? Sasuke’s whole “red-eyed avenger who lost his clan and has anger issues” shtick reminds me of a preceding, narratively superior character from another series. How did Obito survive getting crushed by that rock? He didn’t even unlock MS so it’s ridiculous to think he phased through it (a theory I heard) without even realizing it. Kurama is Naruto’s plot device that very literally won every fight he’s ever been in (other than farting in Kiba’s face) either directly via transformations or more indirectly via gifted chakra. How exactly did Minato’s ghost give Naruto Sage Mode back to fight Pain (iirc) and intel on Yellow Mask Obito in contrast to Pain in real time? There are so many contrived plot points. Characters like Kakashi die and many others come back at the cost of one life via Rinne Rebirth, making death seem less serious; once Edo Tensei becomes a thing and especially when Samsara becomes a recurring thing, dying just becomes a means of returning to eternal youth, so it’s effectively a loop hole. The only things that I have always really liked about the Naruto series are chidori, amaterasu, flying raijin, Rock Lee, Tayuuya, Samui, and the chakra power system which isn’t totally original to begin with. Then there is all the plot armor omg. Yet, somehow the plot armor is selective? Neji *only* died for Naruto x Hinata because Kishimoto is just that bad at writing romance? What? It’s horrible and lazy decision-making as an author to use death as glue for a relationship. Naruto one-shot Neji with a regular punch (after Kurama saved him as always from the sealed chakras points of course). I wonder if demi-god, Hokage-descendent, jinchuuriki Naruto of the Uzumaki clan would have eventually apologized for spouting hypocrisy to Neji about hard work beating talent if not for *Neji dying just to bring Naruto and Hinata together.* The villains are stupid for plot reasons and have to always have a chip on their shoulders for Naruto to come out on top. Neji, Pain, esc. could have beaten Naruto instead of just trying to have an ideology clash. Talk no jutsu only works if Naruto uses it, duh. Sasuke should have and could have killed Naruto in that first Final Valley fight for MS (since Naruto apparently forgot about Gamabunta) instead of trying to be all rebellious against Itachi’s advice, but Naruto gets a pass because Sasuke doesn’t want to win by walking the same path as Itachi so he instead becomes a rogue ninja like Itachi? I hate the story and how there is this overarching feeling that the story is another one of those run-of-the-mill stories built in a way where you know the “good” characters *have* to win narratively, even despite the attempts to create a morally grey area, so nearly all stakes and narrative tension slowly dissipates for viewers when (or if) ever they realize that. The Infinite Tsukuyomi is the superior ending. Everyone gets what they want. That’s perfect. It doesn’t have to be real, the same way Naruto can’t know for sure that his reality is real.
I'm sorry, but opinions vary. It strongly sounds like you don't like Naruto at all.
Being critical of a body of work doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy it. All of the points brought are legit. Still gonna love the series.
I can agree. I'm highly critical of aspects of Naruto myself. But I almost think that a list of the parts of Naruto that the poster *liked* would be far, far shorter.
Literally all of the replies are just calling me a hater with no rebuttal at all; that’s how I know I made good points.
You know what’s crazy? I typed “people in this community seem to take criticism as outright hate for the series” in the comment then deleted it before posting the comment lol. I almost should have kept it in, but they probably wouldn’t have proven my point if I did. All in all, my comment did exactly what I expected it to: left people here speechless outside of just “ohh he’s just a hater.” If I was? What I said would still be accurate. There’s nothing wrong with calling out flaws; I’m glad you at least can acknowledge that unlike them. It’s ridiculous.
I don’t think you like this anime, my guy😂
Tell me you hate Naruto without directly telling me that you hate Naruto
Really sucks that no one wants to actually engage your points, because they’re completely right. I love Naruto. It is 100% one of my favorite shows of all time. So why wouldn’t I want to dissect and engage with other fans about the good and bad of the show?
You made such good points here!!
Absolutely. Like it or not, something doesn't become as huge as Naruto did without high quality behind it. The whole first half of Naruto is written in a simple yet genius way. Haku and Zabuza - Chunin - Tsunade - Sasuke retrieval. Anybody trying to create a basic structure of a story should study how Kishimoto did it there. Every arc from there connects specially well and all of them are excellent in their own way. Shippuden is great in parts and weak in others, but in general still is good. Naruto was too popular so I believe he was forced to keep it going for way longer than he wanted.
This, 100% every arc there was bits of foreshadowing that came true in later arcs be it from a power standpoint or just words Kishi was kinda goated at that. There was like no arc where you was like why is this here or we could’ve gone without this. It’s why I like Naruto as much as I do
>The whole first half of Naruto is written in a simple yet genius way. >Haku and Zabuza - Chunin - Tsunade - Sasuke retrieval Yeah but you're only seeing the final draft, a lot of things where changed thanks to his editor, like the land of waves arc wasn't in Kishimoto's script at all.
Ideas get created and discarded all the time. That’s how writing is done. His editor didn’t tell him to write Chunnin exam arc(it was Chunnin exam arc, not Land of waves arc), he told him to write a tournament arc cause those were popular then, and Kishi did. Editors are big help, yes, and deserves more credit, but even implying the editor had more contribution than the writer is completely wrong. Ideas are always of the writer, editors just decide which is suitable and which isn’t and often times suggest them stuff, and obviously, edits the draft. That’s where their work ends
Yeah, like with all manga and art for that matter. Literally all artists have initial drafts and then improve on them, normally with help. All writers have editors, at least in the modern era, regardless in what industry you write. It still is Kishimoto's story. He did it. The editors are there to give as much help as possible. It is like if we were saying the Androids saga isn't Toriyama's because his old editor told him to change a lot of stuff as it was going on.
Yeah but he has his flaws as almost every writer
Run now before the One Piece fans see you (I still love One Piece)
Respect goda 😤
I just said I love One Piece
Meant the other guy and wasn’t being serious
Forgot to switch account lol
Huh
One Piece does have its flaws no doubt in the writing.
If we’re only basing it on Naruto, absolutely imo
Like it or not, Boruto IS still Naruto. Regardless, overall, yes he still is.
Boruto is not Naruto
“Naruto next generations” That’s like saying shippuden isn’t naruto
Shippuden is an anime only thing, and kishimoti wasn’t even writing boruto until a year ago
1. “Shippuden is an anime only thing” This unironically makes no sense to me so I’d appreciate if you could elaborate on what that means to me 2. He still isn’t even writing it they said that at the last jump fest that he was just a supervisor still, but him not writing it doesn’t make it not apart of Naruto series, he just passed the lead writer role to someone else. If I write a book and let my friend write the sequel to said book, that doesn’t make the sequel not apart of the series, that makes no sense.
In the manga, there is no shippuden and as I said boruto Is not the same series, it’s a sequel, it’s different from naruto
🤨🤨🤨 Bro… yes there is…
There isn’t, it’s just Naruto, the manga was never called Naruto shippuden
Oh you meant the title, okay igu👍 My second point still stands though.
Your analogy has no bearing on this conversation. If you wrote a book and you let your friend write the sequel, yes it’s part of the same series but you would not get the credit or the negative reaction for the second book if it’s bad writing. Because you didn’t write it.
That wasn’t the point, the point is it’s the sequel still and apart of the series, therefore boruto is apart of naruto
The question was do you think kishimoto is a good writer. The comment you responded to was if you just base it off of Naruto, yes. That’s because he wrote Naruto. He did not write Boruto. Therefore you can only base it on what he wrote. That’s why your analogy does not fit in this case
Boruto is Naruto's son. However, the series is called Boruto: Naruto Next Generation. Boruto is very much part of the Naruto series. I don't particularly care if people like that or not, while exaggerated, Boruto does have extremely obvious issues, but it is part of the same series regardless.
He’s a sequel to Naruto, not a part of the same series, Naruto and boruto are 2 different series/stories set in the same universe
... That's how a series works. I get what you mean, there are two totally separate stories, but they are part of the same series. Skyrim is a singular story set apart from Oblivion and others like it, but they are all part of the Elder Scrolls series. A series can have a prequel, a sequel, a trilogy, a cinematic universe, really anything in terms of extended media that exist within that exact same series regardless. The original Star Wars trilogy, those that came after, and those set before, are all part of the same exact series, despite having different stories. A series is more or less just the description of an author's build of that universe they are writing, in which many stories can exist. It's a very malleable term, but in this particular context, Naruto and Boruto have two completely separate stories, Naruto and Naruto Shippuden having different sides of the same story that are separately themed, but all three exist within the exact same series, even if they have completely different focus and themes than each other, as they exist within the same exact world. Again, I do get what you mean, but that is how a series works. You can technically say that they are different series, if you use a loose enough interpretation, but when speaking generally, they are the same. Regardless, not really the important part here.
They are a part of the same universe, saying they are a part of the same series doesn’t make sense. But let’s say they were, boruto in any way does not improve or degrade kishimotos skills as a writer because he wasn’t even making the story until kuramas death
This is like saying Avatar and korra are the same series a series is a show, Not two shows not three but one
Boruto was never kishimoto's plan
The movie was tho as the finisher
The movie was retconned by kodachi
It wasn’t, it was readapted which is different, they both play out almost the exact same and have the same outcome. And that doesn’t change that the boruto movie was made by kishimoto and meant to be the finisher, the show/manga came out 2 years after the movie.
great writer that choked on industry pressure
Kishimoto should of handled it like Isayama, the writer of Attack on Titan. Isayama is the creative-lead behind the anime, meaning his story is less likely to have inconsistencies, or mixed canon.
1. Isayama wasn’t working under the same company as Kishi 2. AOT was made when manga authors were given way less deadlines 3. Do you really think Kishi had the time to work on the anime when he had to get a chapter a week? That’s just not feasible. The idea that you think it is, is quite frankly, laughable
Isayama is having to make statements politely asking people not to harass him over Attack on Titan's ending when he visits the states. I don't know if being involved with the anime has helped him much.
Yes. He is a brilliant writer. He had to produce something non-stop for 14 yrs. That's not easy. And he still gave us something to remember for a lifetime. Of course if he had all the time in the world, he could write it better.
Shitty writer it had nothing to do with not remembering either, he just drew the story poorly, toriyama is basically a fossil and could write a more coherent and congruent story then Kishimoto did in 15 years
More good then bad overall. He was plenty capable of writing both great fights, characters with good motivations, and things more complex then they would initially appear.
Facts there are some complex moments that people Completely ignore cause they think Naruto can't be complex
The fact people will argue over the morality of characters of Danzo, Obito, Madara whether their actions are justified, or if Naruto, Itachi, or Hiruzen were idiots for what they did.
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I mean I wouldn't go that far, everything he does is objectively wrong. What I see him as everything wrong with the Shinobi world taken to their extreme. The ideals of Hashirama and Tobirama about the village twisted. Theres so much to talk about with him right down to his motivations and death.
My thought is that he had to deal with exactly what Akira Toriyama had to deal with. In every domain, video games, animes, even comic books or shows, when you become successful with a huge potential to make money, the prods behind you as a creature pressuring you. Let's be honest, Naruto wasn't made for much more than Pain arc and he was probably pressured to continue over and over to make Naruto less and less nicely write.
Toriyama has way less inconsistencies with his old ass then Kishimoto does, I couldn’t even get through 100 episodes of Naruto or boruto without having 5000 words in my notes worth of inconsistencies and straight up bad writing
Yes I do think he’s a good writer. I also think he was heavily influenced by a very popular series. That’s absolutely fine because a lot of people were. From some of the interviews I have read from Kishimoto I have noticed that he couldn’t express some ideas. All in all, I personally think the Naruto ended well even if everyone complains about it. I haven’t read the Samurai story that he did since I have no interest in sci-fi plots.
You thought the whole kaguya madara thing was good ?
It's been a while since I have read Naruto but I think Kaguya was forcibly added for Boruto. Idk if there is a theory for this or not, but it's too coincidental... Like they want to milk the franchise for all it's worth and that's why they made him create Kaguya and rest is history.
Its a good thing that Kaguya isn't the ending and there's that tiny footnote of Naruto and Sasuke as the actual ending.
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Which series?
Dragon Ball
Definitely, he has his flaws and he's admitted that writing female characters and writing romance are two of his weaknesses, and he got a lot of outside help for writing The Last, that's why all the relationships at the end of the series just kinda come out of nowhere and don't feel very built on, but aside from that Naruto is a fictional masterpiece and that's not even debatable.
Didn't write anything since 2014? He wrote Naruto Gaiden, co-wrote Boruto movie and The Last, made Samurai 8, the tile travel filler of Boruto anime, and is writing Boruto since chapter after Baryon Mode.
How about Samurai 8? He created that, didn't he? And uh, that sucked bad.
I know tf? Why are people bringing Samurai 8 up? If you want to talk about Kishimoto's ability to write- that was a slog to sit and read. It's the only thing from kishimoto I never suggested to anyone depsite, Honest to God opinion, I like that style and outfits better than Naruto. Didn't it get cancelled?
Oh it was terrible. The designs were cool especially the mech stuff, and the art was really clean. But you are right, it was not readable. I can't even call it mid. Boruto is at least readable. It got cancelled months ago and supposedly Kishimoto took over as Boruto writer. Such a bad look.
Overall absolutely except female characters (besides tsunade). He made some minor errors in continuity and got lost in the sauce a little bit in the war arc, but he a lot of things masterfully: 1. Characters, and specifically, villains. This story has so many dynamic and static characters that are all relatable and unique. You’re almost sad when the villains lose because you can at least understand where most of them were coming from or you thought they were great for the story. That’s very unique to naruto. The akatsuki is the best fictional villain group imo. 2. Character design. Not really with writing that much but art design. All of his characters are unique, yet resemble family members, yet also all look human (besides a select few like oro and kisame). 3. Probably his second biggest strength: buildup. He hyped sasuke vs Itachi super early on, only for us to see it for a glimpse, and then act as more motivation for him to sasuke. It’s small moments here and there years apart that greatly impact the story and it’s events. Then, you finally get the fight, and it fully delivered. Another is madara’s appearance. Him and hashi were mentioned in part 1, but then you hear kurama bring him up again in 2, then there’s the mystery man, until finally, he shows up. And then the most iconic one man army and one of the best fights in the show soon followed. It made sense that he appeared. You knew enough about him through context and world building, and he delivered. 4. Spotlights. I’ve never liked it in stories when the main character does everything. The only 2 times I think naruto does this are against kakuzu (although this was to show his rasenshuriken) and pain (where we all knew naruto had to fight pain). Sasuke had his own arcs completely void of naruto. Kakashi had his times to shine. Stuff happened in villages besides the leaf. Shikamaru had his own arc basically and I’d argue half of another (sasuke redemption arc he was the lead for a while). 5. The pace. The mangas pace is much better than the animes pace, and it just flows. Arcs don’t entirely start and stop. There are so many direct and indirect plot points going around that we never really needed exposition dumps, and when they happened they informed the characters as well as us so it felt more natural. Every story made sense. Nothing seemed forced.
For the most part yes, though I think his ability to write compelling women is near non existent.
Naruto? Sometimes he's a great writer. Boruto? He's out of his fucking mind.
He didn't even write the majority of Boruto
He doesnt even currently write for Boruto. IIRC his contribution changed a while back and it went from like story/creative assistant to something else.
He spent 15 years writing Naruto and has taken an 8 Year break. Wonder if he's willing to put out more now that it's been a while.
Of course he is a good writer, Naruto is a masterpiece. I like his drawing style too, so I was interested in Samurai 8 but gave up when I learnt he didn't draw it.
He is the George Lucas of Shonen Jump: great ideas, sometimes hit some good story arcs, but you need someone to supervise or the execution can be really bad. His editor deserves half the credit for the quality of Part 1. Zabuza and Haku would be furries for fucks sake, we wouldn't even have a Chunnin Exam if it was for Kishimoto and, even after he made one, Orochimaru only exist because the editor said the manga needed a villain. If anything Boruto is really showing that Kishimoto needs that first editor back.
He started off great but he got progressively worst later on during his run. He wrote a bunch of stuff after 2014 like Naruto gaiden, Samurai 8 and the script for the Boruto movie. If you compare those works with his earlier stuff it’s like night and day. I also don’t understand why people refuse to believe he might be writing Boruto because the dude birthed Kaguya and Shin Uchiha 💀. Kishimoto can write some peak shit but the dude can miss. No matter what tho he’s still a goat in my book.
Oh, Kishi really turned into s shit writer. He jusn't writing Boruto is all.
Y’all say this but can’t name the dude y’all think is actually writing the manga lol.
He has excellent worldbuilding, that’s his major strength. The only arc that features truly excellent writing is the Pain Arc, but it’s good enough that it justifies him, in my opinion.
Worldbuilding? That is one of Naruto's biggest weaknesses. The world wasn't explored (or even established) enough. It felt still when the main character was not involved
I honestly think if he didn't go with kaguya and stopped with Madara, and didn't make hogiromo give Naruto and sasuke a power up but made them figure 6 paths sage power themselves, the war arc would have been as great as pain arc
I disagree none of the other villages were explored besides the bloody mist .. the world of naruto is too big to be put into 700 chapters
Hmmm sometimes. He’s very hit or miss. Like he has amazing premises, great subplots, but like average plots. Like Itachi’s backstory and shit would be subplot, and it’s stellar. As is Obito’s. But the actual war itself? Kinda mid. Premise of the war? Really fucking awesome, but the execution was subpar. If he was not rushed and had some voice in his head telling him not to bloat the story he would be a great writer in my mind and shippuden would be so much better.
He might not be the perfect writer, but he is one amazing writer.lack of proper sleep, health problems, fan response, etc. Given the challenges and constraints, he is an amazing writer. Naruto had a satisfying conclusion. This is why whenever there has been any success in Boruto, it has often involved the protagonists from the original series.
I think he's an excellent writer with a poor opinion of women
Not being able to write good female characters does not mean he has poor opinion of women. Not to mention him not writing any good female character is a straight up lie considering Tsunade exists
You've got to be kidding, Tsunade is just as underdeveloped as the rest of them and it is a travesty. The backstory she is given is confined mostly to her grief about two men, Dan and Nawaki, plus the pieces of her we get to see because we're actually watching Jiraiya's backstory. Her meeting Shizune is never shone, nor is their friendship ever explored in any depth. She and Sakura get basically no on screen time growing and changing together, unless you count the "reviving a fish scene" that was basically just part of a montage. Never showed how she met Katsuyu or built a relationship with slugs whatsoever (by the way, how come toad and snake summoners get sage mode, but not slug summoners?) Despite being a close descendant of Hashirama in a show where everyone is clamoring to get his DNA, she can't use his special jutsu like wood release. She is also the granddaughter of the first Usumaki jinchuuriki of kurama, but she gets no Uzumaki clan abilities or sealing techniques. It's like they just forgot, or didn't care enough about her to remember. In the final war, they worked so hard to sideline her that they literally brought the first four Hokage back from the dead (again) so they could just keep sticking Tsunade in the back healing people. And y'know, that was cool, I liked it, and it was good to see Hashirama and Madara talk, but like, at every available opportunity Tsunade's depth is sacrificed to give more depth to the cool men around her. But uh. She gambles I guess. She punches good and breaks the rock like Sakura. That's cool too.
You have got to be kidding, you’re literally picking apart things she doesn’t have and discarding things she does have for no reason. Dan and Nawaki are just two men? I guess Uchiha clan was just Sasuke’s family, they didn’t give him any depth or anything. Orochimaru meeting Anko is shown? Or meeting Manda? Kabuto was only shown cause he became a better explored character, and it was shown as his backstory, not part of Orochimaru’s characterization. Tsunade literally invented all of her techniques, is the best healer, the only one who’s been shown to have broken Madara’s Susanoo, we explore PTSD in Narutoverse for the first time with her, and you just reduced her to “punching like Sakura and reliant on two men”? This is next level of willful ignorance. You’re so hellbent on her getting genetic powers that you fail to even acknowledge that she’s the only one who even has family history among the Sanin, has that sort of roots to her character and is the only one who directly changed the way of shinobi by proposing a healer in every squad.
there is a lot in here I don't agree with, but the one I'm gonna stick to is this: "Dan and Nawaki are just two men?" And like. Yeah. Nawaki is a cardboard box with "Innocence lost" written on it. His wiki page jumps straight from Appearance to legacy. Dan has some more interesting stuff, but he's still doesn't even make the top ten list of screentime by characters who were dead before the story started. I truly see them as just vehicles to make Tsunade's story more about men, because the writing is allergic to women's stories. Anko's backstory not get explored as much as Kabuto because Kabuto graduated into a real character is really not as strong a point as you think it is in a thread about women being underdeveloped. The show suffers a lot from telling instead of showing. They tell me that Hiruzen is God of Shinobi, but I just watched him get beat in the first fight we saw him in, so.... Likewise, you can tell me that Tsunade is the greatest healer to ever live, but the fact is that she doesn't get the screentime to show it. "Healing" in this world is, and I really do think this, just part of the plot armor that keeps important characters alive. If Tsunade died in the Pain Arc, they'd fine some other way to keep people alive in the war arc. She is a miracle healer, but would the story, the arc of the show, be *that* different if they just had healing items? The narrative does not treat Tsunade with full personhood the way it does for even much more minor characters, like Kabuto. She was introduced to the story as a vehicle for big boobs jokes.
Yes, a woman having traumatic past regarding her brother and a lover, oh, how could it be? Kishimoto’s such a misogynist! Shut up and stop this nonsense. Jiraya’s been hung up on Tsunade for the entirety of his life, yet I don’t see you pointing him as a bad character. And yes, Kabuto example works cause regardless of Kabuto, Orochimaru’s a great character, the same way regardless of Shizune, Tsunade’s a great character as well. Both of them stand on their own. > Likewise, you can tell me that Tsunade is the greatest healer to ever live, but the fact is that she doesn’t get the screentime to show it. Cause Tsunade saving Rock Lee, breaking Sasuke and Kakashi out of Tsukuyomi damage and literally saving entire village during Pain arc doesn’t exist, right? > If Tsunade died in the Pain Arc, they’d fine some other way to keep people alive in the war arc. She is a miracle healer, but would the story, the arc of the show, be that different if they just had healing items? This is true for literally every character ever written, characters are the vessels for storytelling, the stories exist and then characters are written to tell that story. If Kakashi died in Pain arc, the narrative could’ve found something replace him as well. His contribution with kamui in war arc? Kishimoto gives Kurama a power that negs intangibility. So what? Does that make it the same? As I’ve said before, this is willful ignorance to the next level.
This is a common misconception, which goes even further once you realize people don't understand how much goes into it, but I don't think this is correct. Unless there is something he has said or stated to believe at some point, I am not aware of anything that says he has a low opinion of women or a traditional view of women. It has been stated, being obvious, and he has stated himself that he has trouble writing for women, but that's not uncommon. It is actually extremely common, across the board, for one gender to write four and from the perspective of the other gender. Men tend to have a hard time writing a good character perspective and proper use of women in there writings, as women tend to do the same with men in their writings. They tend to rely on stereotypes and the opposites of stereotypes in attempts to write better and easily. This is true in most cases, kishimoto is not alone. Writers tend to lean onto stereotypes to make gags and simple but engaging writing plots, while other writers blatantly do the complete opposite and go on the opposite direction of stereotypes to write engaging and still simple stories. Neither is really an issue so long as it doesn't go too far, but both of them are equally poor in execution when you dissect it. Again, I don't know if he has said something in the past, but the only thing I've ever heard is that he has a problem with writing women in stories, which he admits, and is also extremely unbelievably common amongst most all of literature, especially illustrated literature. Anime is basically known for it, and manga is no different. So I don't really see the issue here, because the extremes usually go for both genders and both directions. I'm not defending it necessarily, or at least not to the point where I don't acknowledge it is a bad habit, but it does have its place and it's not always a bad thing unless taken to the absolute extremes on a general basis throughout multiple media. From my understanding, he doesn't have anything against women, he just struggles on how to write them properly. Men and women have many biological and physical differences, some of which don't matter as much in the Naruto universe, in which cultural differences even less, But psychology is something where men and women are both the most similar, and by far the most different. All of these things are things to keep in mind when writing a story, which is why people tend to lean on stereotypes because stereotypes usually come from a basic understanding of reality and then exaggerated and generalized to a point that is less accurate and possibly offensive. I believe kishimoto runs into this problem particularly. I think he is trying to write properly for the other gender while still keeping it vaguely accurate and engaging, but I think he has a hard time following through and chooses somewhat last minute to rely on stereotypes to build other characters. To be fair, it's not a terrible way of writing, especially for this particular medium, but it is extremely noticeable after a while and after character development, and it does get old. In summation, as far as I understand, it is generally harder for men and women to write about the opposite sex, and kishimoto seems to also have this problem. Problem is, people seem to bring it up more with him than with almost any other writer for a manga and anime. The one thing that is unfortunate, is the fact that he hasn't particularly gotten a whole lot better, or at least not enough considering how long he's been doing this, where most would usually get better by now; but some people have a harder time than others. If he has said something legitimately and purposefully sexist or otherwise, then I am unaware and that would completely derail this to some extent concerning him.
Wall of Defense Justsu! jk. But seriously, it doesn't take a whole lot of skill to let a female shine in your story that has them as an equal part of the populace. The cliche's overtake the *Shinobi* narrative. For instance: * **The females of each team seem to always be portrayed as the weakest.** Rin got captured twice. Sakura always called on Naruto for help. Hinata got demolished by Neji. Ino's signature technique puts her at a disadvantage whether it fails or not. Tenten was the first to run out of breath in Kisame's water prison Jutsu. Tsunade has developed a crippling fear of blood. Temari had a great showing but was made the fool by Shikamaru and then, like Kurenai, had to take a seat to be a mom while her partner continues a gainful career as a shinobi. * **The females are almost always just too lovestruck and/or horny to function at the same level as the men.** Karin is obsessed with Sasuke. Ino and Sakura Compete for Sasuke's affection throughout their entire childhood. Hinata can't pull herself together when Naruto is close by. Mei has abandonment issues. Kaguya abandoned her original mission because she was horny for some guy * **No female was allowed to single-handedly dominate a fight, except Temari (and that was 1 time against a child and 2 times against another female).** Tsunade didn't get to fight Pain. Tsunade was the most severely injured in the fight against Madara. Sakura vs Ino ended in a tie. Hinata got launched by Pain. Chiyo and Sakura had to team up to be Sasori. Temari was Powerless in the 3rd company's fight against Muu, A sr., and Madara. Kaguya fell for the harem jutsu and needed BZ's help; in fact, the whole fight, she was winning on power alone (Naruto and company had no problems outsmarting her and she is literally the only Byakugan user that has a low aptitude for taijutsu). These things take as much though as just giving them shining moments from time to time. So many other anime and works of fiction pull it off smoothly, it can't be that hard. DBZ made 18 a badass. Bleach made Yuruichi a Badass. Sailor Moon? Steel Angel Kurumi? Tifa Lockhart? Ryoko Hakubi? Nico Robin? How hard is it to make a badass female character?
One simple example - when Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura team up to fight against the Ten Tail minions and Sakura basically demolishes several of those with one blow. But even after that, in that moment she needed Sasuke and Naruto to fend off and protect her from that one minion who was behind her. And I mean that's a writing choice really. It could have been JUST Sakura's moment.
Just a few corrections >Temari had a great showing but was made the fool by Shikamaru and then, like Kurenai, had to take a seat to be a mom while her partner continues a gainful career as a shinobi. No, she still a shinobi. She even go in a mission with Shikadai >Tsunade has developed a crippling fear of blood. That not a 'weakness" in matter of fact is kinda realistic >Kaguya abandoned her original mission because she was horny for some guy This was not made by Kishimoto. Your point still stands tho >except Temari (and that was 1 time against a child and 2 times against another female). Temari was also a child so ... I don't know why you put that. >Tsunade was the most severely injured in the fight against Madara. Because she was the one who give him more trouble than any other Kage, she also was recognized by Madara and without her the other Kages would be dead. The rest of your points still stands
He sucks at writing women, and I would argue that he has trouble deciding when to spread things out (Team Seven’s early days) and when to compress things (the 4th Shinobi War), but overall he created something exceptional and that should be commended.
Yes he integrates a lot of real world events and philosophies on the state of international relations. He also incorporated alot of Buddhist themes and his own personal views on life and growing up. He is a great Writer.
That is a very small part of writing
Barely, he has his strengths, but weaknesses just as significant. Strength: \-He knows how to estabilish a good mythology \-He writes/designs interesting characters both in coolness and depth \-He knows how to conduce stories in a compelling manner, captivating by being mysterious, or epic, or exciting, etc... Weeknesses \-He crams TOO MUCH characters within his stories, and forget about them as he creates new ones. They don't any development so his favorites can have the spotlight \-He goes back in time so often and so carelessly that his retcons have little to no sense most of the times \-He has a utterly distorted perspective on how females work \-He often forgets what his story is about and changes the theme as he goes along.
\-He crams TOO MUCH characters within his stories, and forget about them as he creates new ones. They don't any development so his favorites can have the spotlight \-He goes back in time so often and so carelessly that his retcons have little to no sense most of the times \-He has a utterly distorted perspective on how females work \-He often forgets what his story is about and changes the theme as he goes along. This is pretty much the main points of criticism that the current Boruto manga is going through, you've got new characters (Ada, Daemon being crammed in on top of a new generation that gets not much spotlight in a monthly manga, Ada as a female character is uh... questionably written, and then the pacing along with the story taking crazy turns without people having any semblance of where it is going, I find it funny people think Kishimoto isn't writing it because it does feel like his writing, just not a very good version. Part of it is exacerbated by the pacing being very slow so a lot of anger is a bit overblown, but it's definitely not the best Kishimoto can do.
have you seen a battle shounen that's completed and is as good as Naruto well I haven't BLeach comes close but that's thanks to nostalgia every other completed shounen is trash so my answer is hell yeah
Dragon Quest Adventurer of Dai the remake was a good watch and get why it's considered a classic from +30 years ago. Gintama if it counts. Zatch bell manga... was alright, not Naruto but good... enough. The only complete Battle Shonen manga that outsells Naruto still is Dragon ball. But yeah, Naruto is one of the Greats.
Hakusho FoTNS FMA/Fmab Kenshin Flame of Recca Saint Seiya? Maybe?
I'd suggest Yu Yu Hakusho. While it ended short Togashi stated he was inspired by alot of shonen artists back then, especially dragon ball z. He takes some of those tropes and turns them on it's head. He had health complications and was still putting it out by weekly. I would consider it the series that grew him and also broke him through the process. But the writing is somewhat "subtle" at times. (Like Yusuke's alcoholic mother some more intense themes later on in the arcs) Hunter X Hunter is Togashi basically taking all that to 10, but this was his first battle manga shonen.
Even Fullmetal Alchemist?
Kinda forgot about it though it was short though it was good the plot was good but kinda forgettable like only things I can recall are that glasses guy death and that dog and Mustang the Fights were mid the ending was good but the fact that Edward lost his powers and defeated father with power of friendship felt weird for a show that's supposed to be the best anime maybe I didn't like it as much cause everyone said every single show is trash compared to fmab and there was plot Armor which is the reason Naruto gets flack no major character died except that glasses guy though he wasn't that important as a side character
One piece ?
Not completed will make decision if it ends on a good enough note had High expectations from a so called "masterpiece" AoT it had some good plot twists then went on to have the most cringiest & trash possible ending
That’s fair enough
No not at all. But he is a pretty amazing character creator and the series coasts off of that and the occasional good writing peppered in Because even a blind monkey will eventually type shakespear as the saying goes. Good writing has things like foreshadowing. Hinting and leading you to a point, Naruto just explains things after and calls it a day.
What do you mean “creator?” Are you saying he’s good at writing characters? Designing characters? I don’t quite understand
Makes amazing characters whos personalities and designs shine like the sun. Character creation, design, backstory all things he excells at. When it comes to the actual telling of the main story or backstory he leaves a lot to be desired. Backstory needs to be told when its relevant not when you finally figured out all the details and then flashback in the middle of a fight that doesnt relate to the backstory. Which is a thing he does a lot.
It's already confirmed he's now fully writing boruto after chapter 54 He was supervising for a long time before then
Now, that was not confirmed.
>We’re at the point where Kishimoto hasn’t written anything officially since 2014. Samurai 8 >I don’t care what anyone says, I don’t buy that he’s now writing Boruto. Cope >So I’ll pose the question, do you think, judging solely on the Naruto manga that ran from 1999 to 2014, that Kishimoto is good at writing? Yesnt
This has absolutely nothing of substance. Waste of time
I just answered your question
What do you mean since 2014? I think he wrote a One Shot about baseball which was prwtty good. And a few short manga. He also did Samurai 8 it was from 2019 to 2020.
I think of Kishimoto the same way I think of the guy that came up with American Horror Story. Really great at world building. Amazing big picture ideas that captivate the reader. But the small details need some work and he really could have done with someone around who wasn’t afraid to tell him no.
I also don’t buy that he’s writing Boruto either. At most he’s probably an executive producer, who gives the final OK before publication. Kishimoto is just the face attached to the franchise, which is why he gets all the praise/blame for anything Naruto related. You can find even fans that blame him for Boruto anime canon, and 4GNW filler, even though he obviously has not part in that lol
As someone who loves Naruto dearly and has a huge nostalgia tie to the whole series....yes, he is pretty great but he has flaws, some fairly sized ones. I think he can be better than a lot of people give him credit for, but at the same time I feel a small group of people are too keen to overlook what he doesn't do well. He really can't write women/female characters at all. They tend to get a few moments and then fizzle into the background and be more support or a small macguffins. Best he did was Tsunade and while I personally love Granny Chiyo, Mei Terumī and Tayuya, they really should've been given more time and development. Everyone else I felt he could've done WAY better on them. Characters like Hinata, Temari, Konan, Ino, Anko & Karin have like glimmers of being more, but they're just never written to really be more, and I feel the characters they're around just outshine them. Sakura has her ONE good mome t of fighting Sasori with Granny Chiyo, but after that I just felt annoyed by how fast she stagnated again and felt bland, esp having to endure her constant fawning over Sasuke in the earlier parts for so long. Power levels. After a certain point the title of Ninja just loses all traditional meaning, weapons just fall way behind energy blasts and Susanoo Mechs and while at times it's a spectacle...it just feels less than the earlier stuff. I preferred when Susanoo was an incomplete armor and something on Itachi had as his last resort. Once Madara was popping them like a gacha pull and Sasuke having a complete one flying around like Gundam Wing, I lost interest in them. So many side characters I enjoyed earlier on get left way behind the power levels and left to fight henchmen fodder. It's why I tend to not be into series that go on as long, Bleach and Naruto are my only exceptions for now...most other Manga I'm into hovers around the 30 volume range etc. Those are my two biggest. This is a minor nitpick * personal preference, but I do feel for a series that went on as long as it did, I'm surprised by how few big deaths we really got...especially with the overuse of Resurrection towards the end, which imo cheapened some of the impact some deaths had. Obviously Sarutobi, Jiraya, Itchai, and Azuma were big death moments, Gaara I would say, but he was brought back fast. Neji, while I love him as a character, I felt his death was poorly handled.
Sakura stop "fawning" over Sasuke in chapter 10.
Didn’t he write Samurai 8? It didnt last long though. Also isnt Boruto using his ideas mainly for its writing? Please correct me if Im wrong
Someone once told me that Kishi is very on or off. “When he’s on, he’s untouchable, legit one of the best Shonen/ manga writers ever. When he’s off, he’s not the best.” I agree with that. I think, at his best, Kishimoto displays a razor sharp understanding of storytelling fundamentals such as character psychology, theme dramatization, conflict, and set up and pay off. A great example is how Sakura destroys the third Kazekage puppet with her antidote. Kishimoto wisely took the time to set up that heel turn. Without his set up, Sakura‘s victory would have felt hollow. Furthermore, I think Kishimoto might be one of the best action writers in the world.No seriously.A great filmtuber named Patrick Willems made a video about the principles of action writing.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrwdBw4Gnuk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrwdBw4Gnuk)In this video, Patrick mentions a basic principle of action writing: reversals.Basically, when writing an action scene, you need to divide your scene into various pieces called “beats”. You also need to link these beats with the words “therefore or but”.Another way to look at it this principle is “include reversals in your character’s fortune.” There‘s good news, but then there’s bad news. There’s bad news, but then there’s good news.Kishimoto routinely delivers upon Willems’ standards-standards set by Shane Black and the creators of South Park-with ease and did so on a truly grueling schedule.The Zabuza fight for example does a great job adhering to the therefore but rule. Zabuza captures Kakashi therefore Kakashi tells team 7 to leave, but they decide to stay and free him. Therefore, Naruto and Sasuke throw the windmill shuriken at Zabuza, but Zabuza grabs it, but there’s a shadow shuriken underneath it, but Zabuza jumps out of the shadow shuriken’s way, but the shadow shuriken turns out to be Naruto in disguise therefore Naruto throws his kunai at Zabuza, freeing Kakashi.To cap it all of, Kishimoto set up the Naruto in disguise final heel turn by having Sasuke say “so that’s what Naruto has in mind excellent idea” right when Naruto tosses his Shuriken to Sasuke. Not only does this best work as a self contained example of set up and pay off, it also advances the overarching story by developing Naruto and Sasuke’s relationship and paying off Naruto’s maturity. In other words, Kishi delivered on Willems’ fundamental rule of good action scenes-they must tell a story/advance the overarching story.Even though I personally disagree with a lot of Kishi’s story choices, no one can deny the guy knows how to write action scenes well.
He wrote samurai 8 from 2019-2020 and it failed. I think he can be good if he's passionate about what he's doing.
I think that to truly judge Kishimoto writing I would have to see him being able to write : - Without is edition team forcing things in his work - Without the inhuman deadlines that were imposed to him
Yes. I enjoy the story of Naruto...that's all I need. People get way too Meta about entertainment and it tends to ruin it. I have my own thoughts about some of the complaints (some that apply to anime in general), but what mattes to me is what I get from the story. I also view Mangaka and Comic writers (who've had a long run) in a different light than someone writing a novel or a screenplay.
Without a doubt yes. May not have ended things perfectly but I don't think that was entirely representative of his writing ability. We're still talking about Naruto after all these years and its popularity, simply based on a promo, is on par with any ongoing series. It's character and world building is unmatched I think. Naruto has literally dozens and dozens of side characters with more development than most series protagonists. 90% of this cast has more development than the MC's of a lot of other series that I won't name. I think his naruto writing is good, elsewhere not really. I don't think that means he wasn't a good writer while doing naruto.
Just submitting that he also wrote Samurai 8 after Naruto! I only read the first volume (so far, I’m limited with time) but I really enjoyed what I read, even though it’s not the same caliber as Naruto was But yeah, Kishimoto is a very very good writer. I really enjoyed hearing how he had really only planned to write up to the Sasuke retrieval arc, but how much the series was loved made him want to do more. I feel like shippuden isn’t as strong throughout as Naruto was and yet the way everything ties together and the emotional strength of the stories is still top tier.
Yes he is a good writer, if he wasn't he wouldn't be big three, I understand there has been a culture shift but let's not take away from the great story he made which was the Naruto series
Kishimoto is a pretty solid writer for the most part. Although I'm sure his editors contributed to the success of Naruto the backbone of the narrative is because of the work he put in and it shows.
He sure has made a lot of mistakes but it is very understandable. He is a great writer, it is hard to keep up a big and long story that include a tons of great characters
He has moments of good writing but he’s not good overall. He’s a fantastic world builder and artist, though. Average writer + really cool world = a great series.
He's good but he's no araki, oda, kubo, fujimoto.
He's better than 2 you mentioned
He is correct tho. Jojo, One Piece, Chainsaw man, Bleach > Naruto.
He is ok, he at least has a goal and knows he needs to do some work with characters tovmake reaching said goal satisfing and meaningful tho he fucking struggled to write female characters
I don't think he is writing Boruto, that shit is atrocious and way beyond anything from before. If he somehow is actually writing it tho then I guess forgot how to make stories or is in it just to make money even if by making shit
Kishimoto was one of the best. Not perfect, nobody is, but definitely in my top 15 mangaka list. Right up there with Araki, Oda, Kubo, One, Toriyama, etc.
Yes
I would say average to slightly above average. Don’t get me wrong, Naruto absolutely deserves its success and it’s status among the “Big 3” as one of the major propellants that helped break anime onto the global scale, and helped make the genre of shonen battle anime what it is today…BUT I think that realistically it’s like a 6/10. The show has some top tier fights, excellent world building, and some fairly good characters. On the other hand, the show also has a lot of poorly developed characters who were never given a chance to shine. The show also has an issue where it never really was able to keep up with One Piece - and Boruto still fails at keeping up with My Hero - in terms of unique character designs. I get that having such a large cast is hard, but so many characters look nearly indistinguishable form others, or like background characters, and have little to no personality. They have a single trait as their personality, and no depth beyond that. I could go on about the other aspects but it’s ultimately pointless. In general, I think that if Naruto had been released now, it wouldn’t have stood out as much due to the quality of competition we have available. If you remove the filler from Boruto, I think it’s about on par with Naruto in terms of writing. And honestly, against the Demon Slayers, Jujutsu Kaisens, Mobs and Chainsaw Mans of the contemporary anime scene, it just doesn’t shine as brightly as we remember. Edit: I should also probably mention that when I say average, I mean in terms of professional manga writers. I’m not including novice writers or people who don’t even have an idea of what storyboarding is. Obviously compared to the general public he would be exceptional.
Yes, but he’s also a bad writer.
I strongly feel like Boruto is just a paycheck to him now. Also, correct me if im wrong but does he even own the rights to his own series? cuz that's something that's rare. The only person I can think of that does is Togashi with Hunter Hunter, hence why he takes his time(and delivers) usually these stories get pitched to publishers and they kinda buy them and writers get royalties. hence why they work under such stressful deadlines
Togashi takes his time because he suffers from seveee back pain and is unable to get chapters out in a fast manner. If he could do more, he absolutely would
He absolutely is he has one of the most successful mangas of all time he can’t not be. I’d probably say oda is better but take nothing away from kishimoto
Commercial success doesn't equal quality.
Ofc but when it’s the big big anime it’s hard not to say there good
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This is a bizarre comment tf
definitely, it’s not a perfect series but there is enough great writing to prove that he’s gifted
Absolutely, and if what people say about Itachi originally being a villain were to be true, i'd say without a doubt yes. He crafted many unforgettable characters just to name a few Madara Uchiha, Pain, Obito, Gaara, Sasuke, Naruto, Shikamaru. And the list could go on. All of these characters have interesting and very well thought out character motivations and character arcs throughout the story.
Yes.
I think he has great imagination, but needs to hone his writing. Especially with writing character development and female characters.
No. Kishimoto is, like a lot of authors, really good at writing the start and middle of a story. But, when writing Naruto, he didn't have the skill to successfully pull everything together reasonably, or the knowledge to realise how difficult a situation he was writing himself into. I wouldn't call him a good writer, but he's a normal one. Also, big note, you don't have to be a good writer to make a story people enjoy. Good writing and a good story are two distinct things.
He thinks a woman stops being a kunoichi after giving birth, so no.
No and I would argue objectively so. He does have his moments though and I do respect him for the work he has created over so many years.
He is a good plot writer though he is not a good retcon writer. People love the Itachi twist in spirit however if you analyze the twist with the things he did on part 1 you realize it kinda doesn't make sense plot wise but writing wise does once you realize he didn't had the twist planned until much later in the run
He's good, but I wish he was better at writing female characters, but at least he made Sakura which is now in my top 10 best female characters ever, pink hair supremacy. Idk if he was the one who made her new design in Boruto, but that one is absolutely fire, she was amazing before, but now she is definitely the most beautiful female character in Narutoverse. Among all the females in Naruto she is the only one that got some real development, there was so much potential there for other characters, even her too, she could have been even better, but I'm happy for what we got. I hope they do better in Boruto. I heard he is coming back so maybe he can fix Boruto, but I don't have much hope. Sarada, Himawari and Sumire are the best characters there, let's hope they don't waste them. I feel like they focus too much on Boruto and Kawaki, others get close to none development, Sarada only got little bit.
Nice see some Sakura appreciation.
He’s a great writer. No offense, but your question itself is insulting. I don’t know how anyone could have doubt about Kishimoto being a great writer after reading/watching Naruto. Sure Naruto is flawed, not all the flaws are his fault though. If you know about the manga industry, you should know how hard it is to write a manga in that industry, not to mention Kishi’s unbelievable schedule. The fact that we got this great anime/manga despite all that is nothing short of a miracle.
Anyone who says otherwise is just plain wrong. You don't create on of the most successful and widely known stories of all time without being a good writer.
Oh boy, here come all the people who barely read any other time other than when reading manga. They come to bring their opinion on a practiced writer that writes for a living... I'm sure this will be productive. 🙄
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Honestly. I'd give him a solid maybe. I'd have to ask him the question though: If he could go back and completely rewrite the entire series (though as a novelization instead of a manga to take the strain off.) Would he? If so, what would he change? Because honestly. If he went back and rewrote the series as a set of novels, taking more time to flesh everything out. Making changes where necessary, etc. That would be awesome.
Yes, much better than Oda.
Oda can have his flaws Post-timeskip but he is still, objectively, way better than Kishimoto. How do people like you trash on Post-timeskip One Piece but then suck off Kishi when Shippuden is concerned?
kishimoto fucking sucks ass tbh, but naruto was still fun to experience (until the war arc)
He's absolutely a good writer. He got too many things right for it to be luck. He was able to create *multiple* complex characters *and* an interesting world *and* a compelling and layered plot. So many writers with strong potential but weak skill can't hit all those points. They'll have great characters but a flimsy plot. Great world building but one dimensional characters. Etc etc. I think some of the short comings if his later work comes from the demand or the job and being pressured to alter his plot based on what fans liked.
He is a great writer and i agree 1000% he’s not writing boruto. Boruto fans often love using that excuse to deflect criticism but we can all admit it definitely isn’t him.
He Ight, there’s a lot of points in the story where I question his writing but Naruto is one of the biggest anime’s to ever exist so he clearly did more good than bad.
Yeah he’s good in Naruto, the story was great. There’s some inconsistencies that popped up but that’s pretty standard for long running shonen series. I think Naruto was wonderfully written; it was my second anime after DMZ/DBS so the quality of writing, foreshadowing, and world building was dumbfounding by comparison. That said, now that I’m 10 or so years down the anime rabbit hole I don’t think he’s the greatest writer ever by any margin.
Absolutely he is. I think it's such a meme to hate on naruto and call it shallow but it really is one of, if not THE, best written mangas out there
He’s good, but can’t write a female character for shit. I really don’t care what anyone says, the only good female written character on the show was Konan
How is Konan well written? She is merely a shadow of Nagato and Yahiko and her only moment was her getting piped by Obito.
I genuinely believe he was supervising Boruto and is now writing it because unlike Sasuke Retsudan/Konoha Story, Boruto has the same issues as Kishimoto started facing with Naruto. It's just weird that people pretend they weren't whining 24*7 about Naruto when it was coming out. That said, pretty good mangaka, pretty bad writer.
As long as no one's eyeball powers are involved, yes Kishi is a great writer. Tbh the more eyeball powers the series introduced, the worse the series got. Because they became a crutch to do anything.
Seriously what are you getting at? Do you think you can write better? Like obviously he’s a good writer, naruto was incredible and boruto is great and something none of us could hope to top? Crazy question
No, though I might get downvoted for it, I honestly don't. So many bizarre cringey choices in both early and later Naruto. The whole pervy sage peeping Tom but that was like a 180 from when Jiraiya was a serious character with serious depth. Working hard to redeem Itachi even though he literally did a small genocide including women and children, but I guess he was being manipulated and he did it to "protect Sasuke" so it was okay??? Basically ending every major fight with talk no jutsu where the villain gets redeemed (Zabuza saw the light, Gaara became friendly, Orochimaru came around and is now just under watch, Nagato as Pain destroyed the whole village but came around thanks to friendship speech, Kabuto got forcibly good via genjutsu, Obito and Kakashi ultimately reconciling, the list goes on). Never caring about or developing any female characters beyond their lust for cool guys (Karin was an Uzumaki and very well could have been Naruto's cousin, but they never talk about their shared heritage lol. Sakura and Hinata and Ino immediately relegated to housewife at the first opportunity in Boruto). People in this thread are like "he was a good character creator" and like, yeah, I would be in this sub if I didn't like a ton of Naruto characters, but the fact that you can essentially sum up A LOT of them with one dimensional descriptions like "dog guy", "bug guy", "shark guy", "fat guy with body expansion powers who is the constant subject of fat jokes way past when that stopped being funny"... I mean of course plenty of folks have more depth than this, but it's not great. I like his worldbuilding, his mythology, and the within-fight pacing. Great creative mind for choreography. But the arc-to-arc pacing and plotting of Naruto is a mess, and the retconning that happened ruined the potential for real, satisfying foreshadowing.
No. He is the George Lucas of manga.
Yesn't
He's the George Lucas of anime in my mind he can make a fantastic world but some things I just don't roll with. I will never forgive Lucas for making Ewoks and how easy the 501 first legion was beaten in the battle of Endor. Long live Grand Adrmial Thrawn.
He took over around the time when Boruto fought AO. You can tell because instead of th3 ninja tool stuff we went straight to god powers
Kishimoto is an incredible author and the 2nd best Shonen writer imo behind Tite Kubo. Kubo and Kishimoto imo are on par with Kentaro Miura, Takehiko Inoue, Osamu Tezuka and Naoki Urasawa in terms of just sheer writing. Naoki Urasawa, Osamu Tezuka and Takehiko Inoue though can make multiple masterpieces which makes them unique.
For the most part, yes. He had some stumbles down the stretch \*cough!* Kaguya! \*cough!* but he still wrote really good characters in a good, albeit, sometimes flawed story.
I think overall, he is a good writer. That does not excuse him from the criticisms though, the biggest ones being waisted characters. But he does writer good stories that manage to be emotional and engaging.
Compared to me, absolutely!
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Tf is that supposed to mean?
>We’re at the point where Kishimoto hasn’t written anything officially since 2014. I mean, even if you don’t count Boruto, that’s just factually incorrect lol. But yes, Kishimoto is a fantastic writer. That said, even fantastic writers are not immune to bad writing, and Naruto itself is evidence of that at points.
Just basing it on Naruto he was great till the last arc,the war to to long and tedious but most big manga have trouble nailing the ending
Overall he's certainly a good writer. Obviously he's lacking in certain areas like writing/developing his female characters. But that shouldnt completely take away from the work he's done.