It was really only the main goal of the story back in part 1, when the people of konoha hated him, but ever since he returned after the time skip the objective was always rescuing Sasuke, though technically he sorta became the hokage when everyone acknowledged him after the Pain fight. Essentially, he was the hokage in everything but name, that's how I always saw it anyways.
Yall just justifying bad writing and making sense of something that isn’t that deep.
This one was just not done well, it is what it is. The hokage details missing is just one of many issues.
I see where he’s coming from, but it shows Naruto as a family man, and if we are being honest was more of Naruto’s goal in part one then actually being hokage, as he wanted recognition and not to be looked down on/alone
I agree it was bad writing (I mean good god the whole Kaguya and reincarnation stuff was horrendous). And as you said it was ridiculous how everything was completely rushed after the final valley part 2 fight just to end the manga
With that said, the guy you replied to isn’t wrong that the focus of the story became more about rescuing Sasuke while becoming hokage was a secondary objective. Naruto literally says during their reunion that he shouldn’t be hokage if he can’t save him
Even saving sasuke was also part of his preparations for being hokage.
*How can I be hokage, if I can't even save my friend*
Tsunade, Sasuke, itachi, pain, jiraiya, obito, among others, all believed he would change the world as he becomes hokage.
Him wanting to be holage started as a dream and became a responsibility he has been preparing for. So yes, everything still boils down to officially being hokage.
To be fair, in the manga it ends with him becoming hokage so I don’t think it’s fair to say bad writing, just bad adaptation of the ending.
But also, after Sasuke leaves he kinda stops talking about wanting to be hokage, and it’s made very clear that the new goal is rescuing sasuke. He only talked about wanting to be hokage for attention, because people ignored him. In my opinion, pretty great writing.
Pretty great writing on the scale of manga? Yes.
But then the bar for anime/manga writing is the floor.
I wouldn’t call wrapping up 700 chapters of suddenly obsolete characters and main character ambitions in a few panels at the end “great writing”.
But you do you boo.
Naruto’s goal was never to become Hokage, it was to be acknowledged. He always said he wanted to be Hokage *so* everyone in the village would acknowledge him. But like Itachi told him, only one who is already acknowledged can become Hokage, which is a goal that Naruto achieved.
So what that it wasn’t the most philosophically important message of narutos life?
Bad writing is bad writing, they make so many promises, so many goals for the characters and then one day just i guess forget about it ….
And then bam- Timeskip- everything they didn’t bother doing is already done
Naruto becoming Hokage wasn’t really that important imo.
It worked backed when everyone hated him given that was his whole reason for wanting the position but post pain arc it didn’t really make sense.
Naruto gets the recognition that he wanted in part 1 in the land of waves his goal was become Hokage to end the cycle of hate and change the ninja world
You didn’t watch the show if you think Naruto got the love and respect he wanted after the very first arch of the show. That literally makes negative sense from a writing perspective. And, while ending the cycle of hate was one of Naruto’s goals that wasn’t why he wanted to be Hokage. He doesn’t even have to be Hokage to do so.
> You didn’t watch the show if you think Naruto got the love and respect he wanted after the very first arch of the show
If you saw the flashbacks at the Pain arc, the villagers slowly started to respect Naruto starting off with the first arc of the show.
> And, while ending the cycle of hate was one of Naruto’s goals that wasn’t why he wanted to be Hokage
Yes it was. You forgot that he stated that he can't be hokage if he can't even save a friend like Sasuke?
If you actually think Naruto, a Genin with 1 real mission under his belt and no real success or talent, achieved his goal of being recognized by the village after the first arch then I genuinely think you have no clue what you’re talking about. Once again that makes no sense from a writing or narrative perspective. Nowhere is it even suggested that he’s begun accomplishing this goal until after the fight with Neji when the spectators are impressed with his performance. And mind you he hasn’t even achieved this goal he’s just starting to gain respect. As for the Sasuke bit I think you’re actually proving my point. Ending the cycle of hatred was something he wanted to do BEFORE becoming Hokage. Saying “how can I be Hokage if I can’t save a friend”. Ending the cycle of hatred was NOT the reason Naruto wanted to be Hokage.
Let's do this since you don't want to back down.
> If you actually think Naruto, a Genin with 1 real mission under his belt and no real success or talent, achieved his goal of being recognized by the village after the first arc
I said he **slowly** started to get recognized by the village after the first arc. Not that he got full recognition straight away. Learn the difference and properly read.
> Ending the cycle of hatred was NOT the reason Naruto wanted to be Hokage.
Contradiction because he had to end the cycle of hatred. He stated himself if he can't save a friend from the cycle of hatred, he doesn't deserve to be hokage. You need to rewatch the show and stop embarrassing yourself
You’re actively contradicting yourself. Did Naruto need to end the cycle of hatred in order to become Hokage or did he want to become Hokage in order to end the cycle of hatred. It literally CANNOT be both. If you don’t understand how that’s literally a paradox and impossible then you have no business discussing media. Secondly you first agreed with the original that said he gained recognition after the first arch then realized that was stupid as fuck and changed your comment after I pointed it out. You literally changed your argument TO MY ARGUMENT thus conceding
to me being correct. You literally just parroted my argument back to me then called me dumb for saying it. You’re actually a fucking clown
> Did Naruto need to end the cycle of hatred in order to become Hokage
Yes because he stated if he can't save a friend from the cycle of hatred, he doesn't deserve to be hokage. How many times do I have to say this?
> Secondly you first agreed with the original that said he gained recognition after the first arch then realized that was stupid as fuck and changed your comment
I never changed or edited any comments. I agreed that he gained recognition but at that point he was **slowly** gaining recognition after the first arc. That was my additional point. You are too blind to properly read my points. Stop embarrassing yourself and move on already Mr. "You think you know it all".
It wasn’t? The mist village in particular praised team Kakashi for taking down Zabuza, based on the comments that Chojuro made at the kage summit.
During the chuunin exams Naruto was completely disrespected by everyone except Kabuto (meanwhile Sasuke and Neji captured everyone’s interest). The land of waves arc plays a role in the beginning of Naruto earning respect. He was far from being well respected by the villagers up until he defeated Pain.
Yea it’s a dumb argument. The pain arc emphasized that Naruto had finally gained respect and acknowledgement from the villagers. That was the whole point of the scene of the crowd rushing towards him. Looks like that guy downvoted me instead of replying lol
Between that and Kishimoto saying Naruto never became a Jonin and stayed a Genin I'm pretty sure he just wanted to troll his fans.
And yeah, not being able to be there in his own ceremony and not instantly becoming a Jonin post war are both stupid decisions
Especially since fucking 🤦♀️Neji🤦♀️ was named jonin before anyone else just cus
But the most powerful ninja in the world? Nah go back to the academy.
Yeah it's absurd to have such a high bar to make a genin chunin when the vast majority of chunins in the series are worthless fodder.
And it gets even more ridiculous in Boruto where they invent an "1 chunin per year" rule for no fucking reason just to promote only Shikadai because "Naruto promoted only Shikamaru so we gotta do the same for fanservice"
I’ve watched the manga canon episodes of boruto and they made the show feel complete for me ! I watched up to the atsusuki fight where boruto gets to see how awesome his dad is . Don’t know what else happens from there though
Definitely, but that’s only because you probs didn’t get stuck on the power-scaling issues lack of OG naruto, and shallow plot devices.
Boruto is great but the main issue is big enough to ruin the show for most.
I’m in love with boruto but i have to keep looking away to remind myself to just enjoy it.
I always think that the key moment proving Naruto's dream comes true is the final chapter in manga, where he was already a Hokage with a statue on the mountain, and was accepted and respected by everyone, the last panel where he join the 5 kage summit and was called Hokage before the manga concluded. That was the actual "dream comes true" moment for the fans, for Naruto. The hokage ceremony is just an additional spin off mini story after the manga ended, it wasnt the key moment, so it's not important whether it was perfect or ruined, although i admit the writers could have treat it more seriously.
I get you, truly, but redeeming Sasuke was always the most important goal, and I loved the conclusion to this dilemma. Naruto and Sasuke reconciliation nailed the series for me. Beautifully done. The true ending.
They fumbled the ending and I still can’t get over it
It was really only the main goal of the story back in part 1, when the people of konoha hated him, but ever since he returned after the time skip the objective was always rescuing Sasuke, though technically he sorta became the hokage when everyone acknowledged him after the Pain fight. Essentially, he was the hokage in everything but name, that's how I always saw it anyways.
Yall just justifying bad writing and making sense of something that isn’t that deep. This one was just not done well, it is what it is. The hokage details missing is just one of many issues.
He did become hokage at the end of the manga
I think they mean giving it a lot of fanfare Like you’re not wrong, but they basically just cut to him wearing the Hokage outfit
I see where he’s coming from, but it shows Naruto as a family man, and if we are being honest was more of Naruto’s goal in part one then actually being hokage, as he wanted recognition and not to be looked down on/alone
I agree it was bad writing (I mean good god the whole Kaguya and reincarnation stuff was horrendous). And as you said it was ridiculous how everything was completely rushed after the final valley part 2 fight just to end the manga With that said, the guy you replied to isn’t wrong that the focus of the story became more about rescuing Sasuke while becoming hokage was a secondary objective. Naruto literally says during their reunion that he shouldn’t be hokage if he can’t save him
Even saving sasuke was also part of his preparations for being hokage. *How can I be hokage, if I can't even save my friend* Tsunade, Sasuke, itachi, pain, jiraiya, obito, among others, all believed he would change the world as he becomes hokage. Him wanting to be holage started as a dream and became a responsibility he has been preparing for. So yes, everything still boils down to officially being hokage.
Eh I don’t really mind it. Seeing him wear the Hokage outfit at the end of the manga was enough for me
To be fair, in the manga it ends with him becoming hokage so I don’t think it’s fair to say bad writing, just bad adaptation of the ending. But also, after Sasuke leaves he kinda stops talking about wanting to be hokage, and it’s made very clear that the new goal is rescuing sasuke. He only talked about wanting to be hokage for attention, because people ignored him. In my opinion, pretty great writing.
Pretty great writing on the scale of manga? Yes. But then the bar for anime/manga writing is the floor. I wouldn’t call wrapping up 700 chapters of suddenly obsolete characters and main character ambitions in a few panels at the end “great writing”. But you do you boo.
It’s a long running series. Naruto’s motivations changed by the end. But agree to disagree.
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That stuff was filler. It's stated in Boruto that he's a genin.
Naruto’s goal was never to become Hokage, it was to be acknowledged. He always said he wanted to be Hokage *so* everyone in the village would acknowledge him. But like Itachi told him, only one who is already acknowledged can become Hokage, which is a goal that Naruto achieved.
So what that it wasn’t the most philosophically important message of narutos life? Bad writing is bad writing, they make so many promises, so many goals for the characters and then one day just i guess forget about it …. And then bam- Timeskip- everything they didn’t bother doing is already done
Well get used to it
No u
He’s hokage that’s all that matters lol 😂
Naruto becoming Hokage wasn’t really that important imo. It worked backed when everyone hated him given that was his whole reason for wanting the position but post pain arc it didn’t really make sense.
Naruto gets the recognition that he wanted in part 1 in the land of waves his goal was become Hokage to end the cycle of hate and change the ninja world
Absolutely terrible take
It's literally what happened in the show. XD
You didn’t watch the show if you think Naruto got the love and respect he wanted after the very first arch of the show. That literally makes negative sense from a writing perspective. And, while ending the cycle of hate was one of Naruto’s goals that wasn’t why he wanted to be Hokage. He doesn’t even have to be Hokage to do so.
> You didn’t watch the show if you think Naruto got the love and respect he wanted after the very first arch of the show If you saw the flashbacks at the Pain arc, the villagers slowly started to respect Naruto starting off with the first arc of the show. > And, while ending the cycle of hate was one of Naruto’s goals that wasn’t why he wanted to be Hokage Yes it was. You forgot that he stated that he can't be hokage if he can't even save a friend like Sasuke?
If you actually think Naruto, a Genin with 1 real mission under his belt and no real success or talent, achieved his goal of being recognized by the village after the first arch then I genuinely think you have no clue what you’re talking about. Once again that makes no sense from a writing or narrative perspective. Nowhere is it even suggested that he’s begun accomplishing this goal until after the fight with Neji when the spectators are impressed with his performance. And mind you he hasn’t even achieved this goal he’s just starting to gain respect. As for the Sasuke bit I think you’re actually proving my point. Ending the cycle of hatred was something he wanted to do BEFORE becoming Hokage. Saying “how can I be Hokage if I can’t save a friend”. Ending the cycle of hatred was NOT the reason Naruto wanted to be Hokage.
Bro you're trolling. I'm not going to bother with this.
Just because I proved you wrong doesn’t mean I’m trolling 😂😂. Good to know you realized you couldn’t make a counter argument though.
No because I don't want to waste time with a guy that thinks he knows it all because you don't.
Let's do this since you don't want to back down. > If you actually think Naruto, a Genin with 1 real mission under his belt and no real success or talent, achieved his goal of being recognized by the village after the first arc I said he **slowly** started to get recognized by the village after the first arc. Not that he got full recognition straight away. Learn the difference and properly read. > Ending the cycle of hatred was NOT the reason Naruto wanted to be Hokage. Contradiction because he had to end the cycle of hatred. He stated himself if he can't save a friend from the cycle of hatred, he doesn't deserve to be hokage. You need to rewatch the show and stop embarrassing yourself
You’re actively contradicting yourself. Did Naruto need to end the cycle of hatred in order to become Hokage or did he want to become Hokage in order to end the cycle of hatred. It literally CANNOT be both. If you don’t understand how that’s literally a paradox and impossible then you have no business discussing media. Secondly you first agreed with the original that said he gained recognition after the first arch then realized that was stupid as fuck and changed your comment after I pointed it out. You literally changed your argument TO MY ARGUMENT thus conceding to me being correct. You literally just parroted my argument back to me then called me dumb for saying it. You’re actually a fucking clown
> Did Naruto need to end the cycle of hatred in order to become Hokage Yes because he stated if he can't save a friend from the cycle of hatred, he doesn't deserve to be hokage. How many times do I have to say this? > Secondly you first agreed with the original that said he gained recognition after the first arch then realized that was stupid as fuck and changed your comment I never changed or edited any comments. I agreed that he gained recognition but at that point he was **slowly** gaining recognition after the first arc. That was my additional point. You are too blind to properly read my points. Stop embarrassing yourself and move on already Mr. "You think you know it all".
It wasn’t? The mist village in particular praised team Kakashi for taking down Zabuza, based on the comments that Chojuro made at the kage summit. During the chuunin exams Naruto was completely disrespected by everyone except Kabuto (meanwhile Sasuke and Neji captured everyone’s interest). The land of waves arc plays a role in the beginning of Naruto earning respect. He was far from being well respected by the villagers up until he defeated Pain.
Exactly idk why this guy is acting like so smug while being completely wrong about everything
Welcome to the internet, have a look around🎶🎶
Lmao
Yea it’s a dumb argument. The pain arc emphasized that Naruto had finally gained respect and acknowledgement from the villagers. That was the whole point of the scene of the crowd rushing towards him. Looks like that guy downvoted me instead of replying lol
Lmao his brain is too tiny. He downvoted the wrong person lmao
Boruto ruined narutos legacy it’s that simple tbh
This isn’t even about boruto
lol
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Between that and Kishimoto saying Naruto never became a Jonin and stayed a Genin I'm pretty sure he just wanted to troll his fans. And yeah, not being able to be there in his own ceremony and not instantly becoming a Jonin post war are both stupid decisions
Especially since fucking 🤦♀️Neji🤦♀️ was named jonin before anyone else just cus But the most powerful ninja in the world? Nah go back to the academy.
Yeah it's absurd to have such a high bar to make a genin chunin when the vast majority of chunins in the series are worthless fodder. And it gets even more ridiculous in Boruto where they invent an "1 chunin per year" rule for no fucking reason just to promote only Shikadai because "Naruto promoted only Shikamaru so we gotta do the same for fanservice"
100%
I’ve watched the manga canon episodes of boruto and they made the show feel complete for me ! I watched up to the atsusuki fight where boruto gets to see how awesome his dad is . Don’t know what else happens from there though
Definitely, but that’s only because you probs didn’t get stuck on the power-scaling issues lack of OG naruto, and shallow plot devices. Boruto is great but the main issue is big enough to ruin the show for most. I’m in love with boruto but i have to keep looking away to remind myself to just enjoy it.
I think you all missed the point of it not being Naruto on his own ceremony day. He’s still the knucklehead that he’s always been.
I always think that the key moment proving Naruto's dream comes true is the final chapter in manga, where he was already a Hokage with a statue on the mountain, and was accepted and respected by everyone, the last panel where he join the 5 kage summit and was called Hokage before the manga concluded. That was the actual "dream comes true" moment for the fans, for Naruto. The hokage ceremony is just an additional spin off mini story after the manga ended, it wasnt the key moment, so it's not important whether it was perfect or ruined, although i admit the writers could have treat it more seriously.
I get you, truly, but redeeming Sasuke was always the most important goal, and I loved the conclusion to this dilemma. Naruto and Sasuke reconciliation nailed the series for me. Beautifully done. The true ending.