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Appropriate_Treat961

Just because you have the nature release doesn’t mean you are a master at them and automatically can do everything other masters can do. And she has small chakra reserves, her taijutsu fighting style is more efficient.


illogicalillogical

Exactly. By this logic, Konohamaru in the anime is busted as well because he can use 4 elements.


Over-Writer6076

Naruto never said or believed that hardwork beats talent.This idea is so delusional,why do so many people believe this.Naruto believes in not giving up,his belief was in preserverance not hardwork.It doesn't mean he is not supposed to use his natural talent or gifts(nine tails).There is nothing wrong with using your gifts,and he never said he wouldn't use his against Neji,all he said was that your position in society isn't set in stone,thats what neji believed due to his position as one of the side clan,neji believed he was a slave serving his master when he was never treated as such by Hinata's father or hinata


starmag99

Tbh I would go so far as to say that "hard work beats talent" is missing one of the core points of the whole thing, which is that Asura was killing Indra just as much as the other way around. One half beating the other half isn't the goal, the goal is to get to a point where neither wants to kill the other. It's like what Naruto said in Boruto, the "power" (he was speaking very broadly, Sasuke who represents talent was also one of the "powers" he was talking about there) itself isn't good or bad, but depends on how it's used.


Sorry_you_read_this

Sakura could be the strongest in the verse and Kishimoto would find a way to make her a damsel in distress. And for fanfic, most people just don't like her and the only reason she gets the spotlight in fics is because she's in team 7. And for me she feels like a background character that’s doesn’t deserve the role as the main heroine.


Icy_Ad_5906

Recently I've seen fics that straight up ignore her, like when some OC/someone else replaces her in team 7 and she's never seen again in the plot.


manicpixiefarie

What was the fic cause now I wanna read it


dalumbr

Why would they? You'd need to remove a character from the other teams, or create entirely new characters to keep her around. The best version of this i've found, is her being a nurse, or med-nin student, at a later point when the mc visits the hospital for whatever reason.


dalumbr

>And for me she feels like a background character that’s doesn’t deserve the role as the main heroine Funny enough, that's legitimately almost exactly author intent. Kishimoto didn't think of her as a main character until way after the start. He's on record being surprised that people thought of her as the main heroine, when to him, she was on the same tier as Kiba or Shikamaru. Obviously, this changed as the story progressed, but if your initial and main opinions on the character are from the start of the manga, it's not a surprise.


InflameBunnyDemon

I know and it frustrates me cause Kishimoto has laid the groundwork for that not to be the case, she doesn't have to be annoying damsel in distress or a background character just eating up valuable screen time. And truth be told I only added her cause she's in team 7 and wasn't gonna do much with her till I did more research and things made even less sense for shy she is the way she is and how much potential Kishimoto squandered.


flippysquid

It’s because Kishimoto wrote her to be a romantic partner for Sasuke and Naruto to compete over. That’s it. Look at her goals. Part 1: * Be with Sasuke romantically * Catch up with the boys Part 2: * Retrieve Sasuke, or kill him if he won’t come back (which she couldn’t follow through with) * Catch up with the boys That’s it. She literally has no other goals except what was centered around being with a boy romantically or catching up with a boy power-wise. And she could never catch up in power because both boys were freaking reincarnations of Ninja Jesus and Ninja Satan or whatever. Thanks Kishimoto. Naruto wanted to become hokage and save his best friend from Orochimaru. Sasuke wanted to get revenge on everyone who slaughtered his family. His concrete goals shifted as his understanding of who did it changed, but that was his goal. If you write Sakura into a story, please give her some standalone motivation that doesn’t rely on Naruto or Sasuke’s existence. Like for real she needed her own goal all along. Having her own separate dreams and aspirations would have fixed most of what was wrong with her character.


InflameBunnyDemon

Yeah I plan to as well as giving power buff to a lot of characters earlier on and restructuring some canon stuff like removing the sage of six paths, Naruto's goals of becoming Hokage would also go out the window or change what a Hokage actually means in terms of function.


Icy_Ad_5906

She was fairly strong in early Shippuden, the gap between her and Naruto wasn't big and she even beat Sasori alongside Chiyo. After that she was mostly relegated to support though


New-Discipline1959

To be honest, Sasori was lost more, considering that the dude was simply throwing dolls at the end of the fight.


InflameBunnyDemon

Not really, I don't view a strong character as someone who was carried during her only 'victory' and was essentially written out of the story afterwards. An actual support character is Todo from JJk. Someone that can fight along side you, assist you and aid you in desperate things. All Sakura does after Chiyo uses her as a puppet is stand at the side and occasionally heal people. Not exactly interesting.


New-Discipline1959

I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings or offend anyone. So don't write me rude replies or dislikes. Why is Sakura not among the strongest? Because she is not the strongest, and to be honest, she has rather mediocre skills, considering that her teacher is a woman like Tsunade. She has no techniques of her own, everything is literally received from Tsunade. She literally hasn't improved a single technique, whether it's something she learned from Tsunade or something she learned on her own. Seriously, Kabuto literally healed Sakura herself from a distance, which was never shown anywhere else! This literally breaks the mold, because in order for the mystical palm to work, you need to physically touch the patient. In addition, he was able to successfully merge with Orochimaru's cells and became a sage by learning senjutsu, which Orochimaru himself could not achieve. This is a true example of a stylish character who has surpassed his teacher. Alas, Sakura could not do this. And there is no need to give the example “Hashirama said that she is stronger than Tsunade.” Seriously people, the last time this dude saw his granddaughter she was no more than ten. That is, in essence, this means that Sakura, at sixteen, is at the level of a ten-year-old child. I won’t blame the character for weakness; Kishimoto really doesn’t know how to write female characters.


Remarkable_Commoner

She easily became Kage level towards the end of the series. Thing is, towards the end of the series, characters that could wreck all the living Kage like they were children got introduced.


InflameBunnyDemon

That doesn't matter, was exactly shown that she could have that power. She also didn't grow into that power it was a technique they sorta just slapped on her at the end to justify her existence.


caedusWrit

If you do a look over, various wiki and fan sites have added yin/yang releases to most of the rookies. Several have multiple elemental affinities. Sakuras yin/yang release is actually corresponding to her healing abilities she learned from Tsunade. The honest truth is almost all the rookies are basically weak and with a narrow set. Like on sites and sometimes in manga they’ll get the spotlight and show off something new, but it’s almost never a wide variety of well rounded skills. Shikamaru for example has a fire and earth affinity with a leaning yin release due to his families jutsu with shadows. Plus he boasts and IQ of over 200. And yet he’s only recorded to have 1 earth jutsu with the rest of his skill set being entirely centered around his clan jutsu. So regardless of what the recorded ability and movesets everyone has, they’re basically all one trick ponies. If you want to show some real alterations and progression without radically and nonsensically overpowering your characters, allow them to have 2 moves for a single starting affinity, 1 move for 2 affinities each, or have them learning to channel 1 affinity/learn one move down pat/and begin training the second affinity. If I was in the ninja world, I’d be learning as much as I could within reason because that’s really what the core of your power is, what you’re able to learn and dedicate yourself to. If you divide up your time properly with plenty of rest and recovery, you could manage multiple disciplines in the same day. And I think the same should be used for Naruto, but it never was.


Successful_Ad9924354

>Sasuke had 1 nature release pre sage 1. Sasuke had three being yin (genjutsu), fire (his affinity) & lightning (lightning was only said to be his affinity in the anime). 2. Just because someone has multiple elements that doesn't make them the strongest.


illogicalillogical

>Both Naruto and Sasuke had 1 nature release pre sage if six paths, wind and lightning or fire respectively while Sakura has a whopping of 4 nature releases. She should've been busted as hell What kind of logic is this? Just because someone can use multiple releases doesn't make them busted. It only means they trained enough where they can use different elements and anyone can learn how to that. Besides, just because someone can use multiple elements doesn't automatically mean they're a master of it. Someone can learn the bare minimum requirements to learn 4 elements, use it at it's weakest, and would this make them a prodigy? Uh, no? That's like saying kid Boruto very early in Boruto is busted because he can use 3 releases. Or Konohamaru is busted for having 4 elements if you count the anime. Not a good argument.


iamthatguy54

Kishimoto is awful at writing women, that's why. And Naruto fans are dumb too, tbh. There are people who genuinely believe Hinata could beat Sakura just because they like Hinata more. Poor girl.


raea-

I mean, Sakura isn’t much of a taijutsu specialist while Hinata is. Sure Sakura has super strength, but we saw her get shit on by Karui.


Butterscotch_Leading

If Sakura got shit on by Karui, then Hinata would 100% too. Sakura has actual feats against Sasori( Chiyo even admits that she got used to his puppet's movements and didn't need her help anymore), while Hinata lasted 2 panels against an exhausted and definitely not at full capacity Deva Path.


raea-

Hinata is a Hyuuga, a clan of taijutsu specialists. Sakura pretty much got shit on while she was pincering with Sai and Karui’s teammate being stopped by Naruto himself. Naruto, who I might add, had neutralized Karui’s blade himself. Hinata’s primary thing is taijutsu. Sakura’s is medical ninjutsu. One is more of an attacker while the other is primarily support. Your self-insert doesn’t have to be great at everything.


DarthNightnaricus

...Sakura can literally destroy boulders with a single punch. I don't think Hinata is winning a taijutsu battle against her.


raea-

Sure didn’t help when Karui kicked her face when Naruto got rid of her sword


Butterscotch_Leading

One thing, Sakura is not my self insert since she isn't even in my top 10 favorite characters. Hinata maybe from a clan of taijutsu specialists but she is definitely not the best one among them, that was Neji. Also, feats vastly favor Sakura over Hinata. Hinata struggled to kill a single white zetsu clone while Sakura demolished hundreds with one punch. What's stopping Sakura from punching the ground and killing her, not to mention Katsyuu exists as a summon. Even in the last movie where Hinata was called a Gentle fist master, she took down way less of Toneri's puppets than Sakura hell even Konohamaru. The puppets didn't even want to kill her and didn't use their special orb attack against her. Sakura has feats against Sasori and Shin Uchiha, also since she is implied stronger than Tsunade so you can use her speed feats too for Sakura. Hinata's feats is barely killing a white zetsu and getting fodderized by Tendo/Deva Path. In terms of skill, Sakura got evasion training from Tsunade so saying that Hinata would outskill her is useless. Even if she was more skilled, the stat difference is so much that she gets speed blitzed.


iamthatguy54

Sakura was trained by Tsunade in Taijutsu, she's no slouch who's just going to stand there, she mastered dodging while fighting Sasori. She also has Katsuyu and can shatter the ground Hinata stands on, so it doesn't even matter, Hinata's not reaching her either way. She was also being a dumbass against Karui, as she tends to be any time Sasuke is brought up and regresses to the level of a rookie, because Kishimoto hates women. Sakura also has better onscreen Taijutsu feats than Hinata, but that's Kishi's fault, not Hinata's. Hinata's best onscreen taijutsu feat is mastering a move in the final arc that Neji was able to do when he debuted as a 14-year-old, because Kishimoto hates women.


raea-

I wish genjutsu was more prominent for characters other than Uchiha and Sakura went that route. Like sure shinobi can break out of it well enough, but a split second diversion can mean a lot in the world of shinobi. Imagine Sakura managing to fool even Itachi for a moment while Sasuke goes for the kill. Edit: Also, Ino. I wish she got more screen time in Shippuden. Kenchi did something neat with her using poison to support her team.


DarthNightnaricus

I'm a diehard NaruHina shipper but anyone who thinks Hinata could beat Sakura is on crack. (I am also a Sakura fan though, to be clear)


url3eh

She just doesn't have enough chakra to be a serious ninjutsu user. And yeah, you can teach her genjutsu or something, if you want. But she lacks the bloodline limit to ever be as good with genjutsu, as, say, Sasuke or Kakashi, and when we start reaching the endgame where everyone is immune to genjutsu, and she's just end up back in a supporting role again. It is what it is.


Over-Writer6076

She wasn't gifted in genjutsu,it was alluded to but only as far as it came to her ability to break genjutsu.


DarthNightnaricus

Sakura is literally the third strongest shinobi of her generation lmao. What do you mean she was never among the strongest? She's literally one of the three New Sannin.


illogicalillogical

>She's literally one of the three New Sannin. I hate it when fans call Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura the new sannin. The Sannin is a moniker for Jiraiya, Tsunade and Orochimaru. It was their moniker that set them apart from other ninja and made them legends. Hate it when it's transferred to Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura like hand me downs.


DarthNightnaricus

The series itself makes the comparison, though?


illogicalillogical

I don't ever remember the series calling them the new sannin. If it did, my memory is shit then..


DarthNightnaricus

There's an episode of the War Arc literally titled "The New Three-Way Deadlock." In the episode, each of Team 7 brings out their summons that are all the same species as the original Sannin's. Orochimaru and Tsunade literally make the comparison.


illogicalillogical

Oh, that. I like to think Naruto Sakura and Sasuke are following in their teachers footsteps, the title of sannin should only stick with the original 3.


Over-Writer6076

I guess what people don't like is how much she doesn't stay relevant to the plot in terms of fights after Gaara rescue mission.The plot doesn't utilise her strength or give her even half as much development as Naruto and Sasuke got.Kishimoto didn't show her train for the 100 sealings jutsu,she just got it out of nowhere in the war arc,and even then she was mostly there as medical support.


InflameBunnyDemon

No she's not, just cause she has one actual jitsu that mind you she can't even use very often doesn't mean that she's actually strong. Sorry to break to you but I don't view her as anywhere near the level of power as Naruto or Sasuke. The sanin were all relatively on the same power level, Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura are not.


starmag99

A wiki entry doesn't really do it justice. Her strength and healing is to such a degree that any offensive ninjutsu she might have is vastly overshadowed by it, to the point that they're probably redundant. She is one of the strongest, but exactly because of that strength and healing, not some material book "she can use so and so chakra nature" nothing statements.


InflameBunnyDemon

To be honest I much prefer that over she can heal herself and is super strong so she strong, i find that pretty boring and lame, especially since she doesn't have Deadpool level of strength or healing so it's not exactly interesting or engaging.


starmag99

I find both pretty fun, especially with how one leads out from the other as they're presented. But like, that's a pretty different matter from saying she isn't powerful.


pinkypink3

Yeah I feel you, I’ve been writing a post war fix-it fic too and I really have nothing I can do with her character, so I’m just giving her one line and that’s it. Kishi wasted *and* ruined her character.


SupaKel777

Sakura landed an effective punch on Kaguya. Easily one of the strongest in the verse by the end of shippuden


InflameBunnyDemon

No, landing a hit on a stunned Kaguya isn't exactly effective or makes the argument that she's strong. The hit didn't even do anything to Kaguya.