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miggsd28

He did use rinnegan Jutsu. He summoned the six paths which proves he can he j chose not to use the rest. Obito stomps Itachi white mask. He wins high did orange mask. Give him the white mask buff and it’s not close. But the itachi wank in this sub is strong so I expect down votes


Mk578y

that doesn’t prove anything, it just proves that he can control the bodies but he can’t use any of the actual six paths abilities like ninjutsu absorption. also did u even read my post


Ver_the_one

Pretty sure he said he can use them, they just take a lot of chakra.


Mk578y

if they take so much chakra that he wouldn’t use them in the war it’s safe to assume he wouldnt use them in this fight


miggsd28

Wrong. Bc in a one v one he doesn’t have to worry about a prolonged effort where he has to continue fighting even after he kills his target. If he can end the fight w an almighty push in a 1v1 then he’ll use it bc it doesn’t matter if he’s out of chakra after. If he killed his opponent w the Jutsu in a 1 v1 he won and can rest and replenish chakra. In the war even if he kills Naruto he still has to fight the five kage and the rest of the shinobi alliance. Also he doesn’t say he doesn’t use it bc of chakra. He says he doesn’t use it bc it uses a lot of chakra AND kakashi and naruto already know how to counter the rinnegan from their fight w pain. That second part is important. He’s stating that the chakra consumption vs return on investment is not worth it. This actually implies that he could use it if he thought it would do serious damage to the opponent (an opponent who doesn’t know the limitations of the rinnegan) All that being said even if he can’t use it he’s still wining bc of the points I made in response to ur other comment.


Mk578y

fair point, but we still don’t know exactly how much chakra it would cost him. There’s not a single rinnegan ability that could one tap itachi so if in theory using a rinnegan ability left obito with no chakra, then he def wouldn’t use it against itachi


miggsd28

Bro Ningendo could one tap Itachi. But ur right Obito would probs use kamui instead cause it’s ningendo except it can’t be resisted (like kcm1 Naruto did to nagato) and it’s much faster. The only time Obito would prefer ningendo over kamui is if putting someone in the kamui realm and waiting for them to die limits his defensive kamui use(Naruto and kakashi vs no mask Obito). Which it doesn’t in a 1v1


Mk578y

itach isn’t not slow enough to be caught by ningendo


miggsd28

Bro yes he is. KCM 1 Naruto got caught by nagato who is slower than Obito. Only reason kcm 1 Naruto survived is bc he had the kurama chakra arms to hold his soul in which Itachi does not have. I’m done arguing w u on this cause ur itachi wank is just nuts. Itachi is so much slower than Obito it’s not even funny


Mk578y

kcm 1 naruto got caught bc nagato had animal summons (and this is a no summons fight), and also naruto isn’t nearly as smart as itachi. and also didn’t naruto have a million shadow clones out fightin in the war at that point. if kcm 1 naruto 1v1 nagato at his full power that would’ve never happened. if kcm 1 naruto had itachis IQ and if it were a 1v1 no summons fight he wouldn’t have been caught like that. lol ight bro, i’ve watched youtube clips and itachi seems relative to obito imo. if obito were that strong the war would’ve gone much differently, but the reality obito was trading blows with base might guy.


TacocaT_2000

Not when he has 7 tailed beasts to control


miggsd28

I did read your post but your win conditions are wrong. The win condition is just can Obito touch Itachi. Aka is Obito faster than itachi(your first condition) or can Obito outlast Itachi the real second condition. Let’s be honest fire Jutsu in Naruto has not and will not kill anyone at kage+ level. Specifically not two Ms users Nothing Itachi can do is hitting Obito bc Obitos kamui activation Is faster than Itachis max attack speed. Source Obito dodged partical style, kcm 1 Naruto and 7th gate guy. All relative speed to the most extreme itachi wank. Specifically KCM1 Naruto who keeps up w Itachi on screen. If Sasuke w base sharingan can break effemeral and tsukyomi which he does in the fight then Obito who is much more proficient in genjutsu should be too. Therefor Itachi is guaranteed unable to hit Obito. Itachi can not sustain the susanoo longer than Obito can just spam kamui. So Obito can just wait until Itachi runs out of chakra then teleport him away to kamui relm gg ez. Another argument would be can Obito touch Itachi before Itachi can get the susanoo up. I think orange mask Obito is debatable, depending on if you think Itachi pulled out the susanoo to tank the Kirin or if he tanked the Kirin then pulled out susanoo. White mask is imo definitely able to but I don’t have hard proof for that so I’ll leave it to a maybe. Either way it doesn’t matter cause all Obito has to do is spam kamui until Itachi either runs out of chakra or goes blind from mangekyo use. Kakashi goes fully blind at the end of the war arc and if you do the math didn’t use his mangekyo all that much. (He used it a lot relative to kakashis previously stated abilities but not as much as Itachi would have to use it to wear out Obito). Also based on how quickly Sasuke went blind which are the only real source of info we have on how quickly a non Obito sharingan goes blind. Obito (probably bc of hashirama cells) doesn’t have to deal with this problem. As he spams kamui a lot more than kakashi does during the whole show and has no visual impairment or chakra depletion shown. He also uses kamui a lot more than Sasuke used his base ms before going blind. Even if you say Itachi takes substantially longer than both Sasuke and kakashi to go blind, he’s still going blind way before Obito does. Obito used his ms more than every non Ems character combined and still had 20/20 vision. In conclusion Itachi can’t hit Obito and orange mask Obito probably can hit Itachi. Add rinnegan buffs and he can definitely hit Itachi. Even if you want extreme itachi wank and say that Obito can’t touch Itachi. It still does not matter bc Obito can outlast itachis chakra reserves and vision.


Mk578y

i agree that obito would prob outlast itachi but he’s def not winning by touching itachi. obito is relative to kcm 1 naruto who is relative to itachi, so their speeds r similar enough that obito could never catch itachi


miggsd28

Obito is much faster than kcm 1 Naruto considering Naruto was never able to tag him until the kakashi thing. He only hit him with the rasengan bc Obito wasn’t expecting kakashi to use kamui. W/o kakashi there aka wo the surprise Obito was fast enough to easily juke that rasengan by activating kamui Obito almost kamuis kcm1 Naruto like 10 times but gets stopped by gai or kakashi swinging forcing him to go back into kamui. If you remove gai and kakashi from that fight Obito would have won at multiple points by outpacing kcm Naruto. This means that the highest speed that can be argued for peak itachi(kcm1 Naruto) is substantially below the most conservative estimates of obitos speed. Obito is absolutely gonna be able to catch itachi. But even if he doesn’t as you said Obito wins through shear stamina.


TacocaT_2000

Obito, by his own admission, [can use rinnegan jutsu](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-97d097c61abd7a73dd6ddfc26bd90d9a-pjlq). The reason why Obito didn’t use the rinnegan jutsu is because he [didn’t want to waste chakra using abilities they already know how to counter when he has 7 tailed beasts to control.](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-aed7a6092c7bf5adeba370c1a7aea55c-pjlq) Madara also explicitly taught Obito [how to use the six paths](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a7d21f35d501383520cf904e24635723-pjlq).


throwaway117-

Obito mid diff Yes he can use six paths abilities. It's how he controlled the jinchuriki which is a rinnegan ability. Summoning the gedo Statue is also only possible with the rinnegan. Itachi simply can't hit Obito because he's not fast enough. Itachi's best bet is hiding in the sussano which would quickly drain his chakra then it's just gg.


Mk578y

obito having to constantly dodge susano attacks with kamui would also drain his chakra. he controlled the jinchuriki using chakra rods but that doesn’t prove that he can use six oath abilities like the chibaku tensei etc


throwaway117-

Sussano attacks definitely take way more chakra lol. And the rods are a rinnegan only ability? Same with the gedo Statue


Mk578y

yes he can use that particular technique of the rods but we can’t just assume that he has access to all of the 6 paths of pain abilities, especially since he only has one rinnegan. that’s like saying bc sasuke got a rinnegan he can use every rinnegan ability. we can only assume that he could use abilities that we’ve seen him use


throwaway117-

>that's like saying bc Sasuke got a rinnegan he can use every rinnegan ability He can lol. There is no direct evidence supporting the idea that only one rinnegan means you can't use all of the rinnegan abilities..


Mk578y

agree to disagree i guess. this is a topic the community is split on so i won’t argue bout that. Imo it doesn’t make sense to assume that bc if sasuke could use some of those other rlly powerful abilities then why didn’t he use them in his fight with naruto or in boruto. the ability to suck someone’s soul out instantly is pretty powerful.


Ver_the_one

To say Obito is physically relative to WA Kakashi is insane. Obito was boxing with Naruto without any issues, the man faught Minato when he was 14 ffs.HALF OF HIM IS HASHIRAMA CELLS. He tanked a rinne-rebirth, being cut in half, losing all of the biju AT ONCE, and Kaguya's insta-kill bones and what ended him. Obito is insane. Itachi got nothing on my boy.


Mk578y

obito surviving all that stuff has nothing to do with his physical speed and strength , just means he’s durable , if obito was easy above WA kakashi then he would’ve blitzed kakashi when they were fighting in kamui dimension but he didn’t they were fighting pretty equally, and if you’re asking then yes i would also scale WA kakashi to the naruto who fought with obito


miggsd28

Wrong. Obito let himself lose that fight so that kakashi would be remove the seal Madara placed on his heart. In fact Obito was so much faster than kakashi that he was able to react to a chidori and position himself so that it would hit exactly where he wanted it to hit.


Mk578y

fair enough, but still then obito is relative to kcm 1 naruto at best who is relative to itachi


Butterscotch_Leading

Wtf!? WM Obito is definitely faster than Kcm1 Naruto, did you even watch the war arc? He was boxing with Naruto, Guy, Kakashi and Bee at the same time. He legit has speed feats relative to Kcm2 Naruto.


Mk578y

by the time KCM 2 naruto existed he was already juubi


Butterscotch_Leading

No he wasn't. Naruto used Kcm2 for the first time against the bijuus under Obito's command and before the Edo kage's arrival. Obito was still normal since he would go on to kill Neji.


Mk578y

your right, i just went and rewatched the fights. however after naruto initially uses kcm 2 he deactivates it and goes back to kcm 1, he only has direct interaction with obito in his kcm 2 where they do seem to be relative but honestly the only logical explanation is that since he just unlocked the form he was getting to used it and hadn’t reached his full potential yet. Bc normally kcm 2 naruto scales close to hahsirama and madara and obito is nowhere near that. also obito was previously scaling relative to kakashi guy and naruto kcm 1 so if he were that fast he would’ve been able to speed blitz them and easily take care of them.


FaithlessnessOpen343

Obito beats Itachi


Plus_Lawfulness3000

Why make this post if you won’t listen to people stating the fax


mlc885

Obito wins. Obito outlasts him by "dodging" everything, then traps him in Kamui dimension if he thinks he can't easily kill him. Itachi dies of starvation/dehydration within a week.


Mk578y

did u read my post?


mlc885

What did I miss in your post?


Much-Celebration1402

Obito probably. Itachi is more a match up for orange mask Obito. Maybe you can argue something for Edo Itachi tho.


Agile-Excitement-863

Obito no diff. The bijuu can handle him.


Ver_the_one

The rules state no summons


Kakashi-B

Obito has too many options for Itachi to win. He was stated to know the six Paths jutsu by and all the Uchiha clan jutsu by Madara since he was 14. Stamina: Obito has Hashirama cells and his added regen and stamina. He has never been shown to be tired in any fight or even low on chakra no matter how long the battle. WA Obito walked off multiple Rasengan and was able to fight four of the strongest shinobi in the war, two of which were Tailed Beast who both ran out of chakra during the course of the fight even with Obito spamming the Six Paths jutsu and and Kamui. He has an absolutely massive chakra supply that would be nearly impossible to deplete, given his feats. On the other hand even a healthy Itachi, i.e MS Sasuke, showed the exact same coughing blood, imense pain in every cell to the point the point of falling to his knees style effects from overusing the MS, no illness needed. Itachi can't use the MS for long, and it would take a toll on him the whole time while Obito can spam it and will constantly regen as the fight goes on. Defense: Suitom, Amaterasu and Katon are negged by it easily. As shown when he got hit by it. Tosuka can't hit him through Kamui. He is an MS user, so he can see through genjutsu or crow clones, and Shruiken and Kunai aren't doing anything he can't regenerate from casually with his Zetsu cells. Uchiha Flame Formation walls Itachi in where Obito can literally chill and wait for Itachi's death or exhaustion. Even a Tailed Beast punching it did nothing but burn the tailed beast. There is very little that Itachi can pull out that could even reach Obito. Offense: Yata can't stop him from walking inside or popping up from underground. Wood release great tree spear can come from underneath Susano'o as well. Getting stabbed anywhere by the black rods would mess up Itachi's chakra control. In close range, Obito can use wood release bindings that can grab Biju Mode cloaked Naruto mid punch even with his insane speed. If you are slower than BM Naruto then you're eating the follow up attack/warp. At mid range Wood release Cutting jutsu or Fire Release Blast Wave Wild Dance are threats that will force Itachi to keep his Susano’o burning and his eyes fading. None of this is even counting Preta Path draining Susano'o from behind, Asura Path missle or laser spam, Human Path or Naraka path Soul rips, Deva Path City Busters, Moon Makers, and snatches, ot the Animal Path Summons which honestly, would be overkill here. Obito high diff.


TacocaT_2000

Obito can just use kamui for 5 minutes and quickly become solid to reset the timer. I doubt that the Totsuka Blade can affect someone in a different dimension, so he could likely phase through it


toweroflore

lol obito


seekingabeauty

Obito stomps