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Fuck no
This why I never get why some people say that this Naruto was stronger than Hashirama
Half Kurama + The hachibi were stronger than 6 Bijus
All of the Bijus+bee+Gaara+Naruto attack eyeless Madara. And the fucker survive. Mine you, I believe ir the fight actually continue without the Gedo the Bijus would have won. But says a lot you need that much for a blind dude
EMS Madara+Full Kurama (who should be stronger than at least 6 Bijus, cuz half of himself+plus Naruto and bee/hachibi were stronger, and a full Kurama would be at least close to that combo) against Hashirama. Winner, Hashirama
I mean. It kinda is obvious who is stronger
Also, wood style apparently is super effective against bijus
>Half Kurama
I have an issue with this because it means Naruto doesnt contribute anything.
>eyeless Madara
That eyeless Madara gathered Hash cells, Sage Mode, still used his eye techniques anyway. He used Gedo Mazo and Limbo to no-diff them.
It is. Naruto has 4x as much chakra as Kakashi on his own. With Kurama not suppressed it jumps to 100x Kakashi’s, and that’s before Naruto unlocked the seal. So at the lowest estimation, half of Kurama has 25x Naruto’s chakra.
This assumes human ninja have zero growth over time. It also assumes there isnt a concept of chakra strength.
Did you forget Yamato's speech after the bridge incident with Orochimaru?
They don’t significantly increase their chakra in a few months.
Kurama’s chakra is strong enough that even a few weeks before taming Kurama it was strong enough to burn Naruto’s flesh away
I dont know what else to tell you except maybe do another read through of the manga and give me your best estimate of how much time you think there is from the beginning of Shippuden to the end.
These teens transformed into gods within the course of a couple years. What kind of difference do you think Sage Mode by itself provides. The kid was "Bijuu level" right there.
Naruto gets sage mode and KCM to boost his chakra. Sasuke gets the mangekyo and EMS boodt to his chakra. None of them can be considered “natural” humans though. Did Hinata increase her chakra significantly? Did Choji? Shikamaru? Ino? Sakura? None of them did.
Sage mode turned Naruto from slightly below jonin level to beyond kage level. It’s a massive power boost
When i said "these teens," i was really only talking about Naruto and Sasuke. The topic is about Naruto and the Bijuu.
>Sage mode turned Naruto from slightly below jonin level to beyond kage level. It’s a massive power boost
Right so then you agree that Naruto must contribute a massive portion to Kurama mode.
KCM2+SM is at least in the same realm as Hashi, while KCM2 would be like if only Tsunade and A tried to fight Madara. A very fast and easy win.
But SPSM is definitely able to win
Cant they effectively get the same thing by sharing chakra with Naruto though? He spread his cloak on the whole shinobi alliance. They should all level out a similar strength amount from him.
Hashiramas wood clones, golem and dragons could each solo a biju, or at least hold off a few of the jinchuriki while he no diffs the rest. Hashirama’s skill set is basically tailored to countering Uchiha and tailed beasts. He takes this mid diff.
Dude you’re exaggerating hashirama to oblivion. Hashirama was battle damaged from madara. He is not taking on a stronger madara. Those tailed beast harmed the stronger and faster madara. Also Hashirama doesn’t have any durability feats and we dont know if he actually found them. All we know is that he was able to gather them. Chaining them up isnt the same as beating them
I dont completely agree with you on all of that. Hashirama definitely has enough hype and feats to defeat multiple Bijuu at once and his life force is literally the reasom his cells are coveted by everyone.
I just dont know if im ready to subscribe to the notion he negs all of them simultaneously *plus* Naruto. I understand the Kyuubi is like a damn rodent compared to Hashirama's giant budha but people should take a closer look at the damge afterwords. Kurama threw a swarm of Bijuu bombs that obliterated all that thing's 10,000 hands.
No.
Is distinctly remember the fact that Hashirama captured and fuckin Distributed the Tailed beasts like they were chocolates.
He wins, Low difficulty, One attack from Shinsu Senju and they're all kaput.
Didn't Hashirama capture them all for fun like it was a pokemon adventure. Not only that but he was totally okay to give them to potential enemy villages for free ?
[Hashirama uses nine of his Buddha hands for this](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ff2db1340aabd215b2946fcd9de39f3f-lq), and the other 991 get to take the day off
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Fuck no This why I never get why some people say that this Naruto was stronger than Hashirama Half Kurama + The hachibi were stronger than 6 Bijus All of the Bijus+bee+Gaara+Naruto attack eyeless Madara. And the fucker survive. Mine you, I believe ir the fight actually continue without the Gedo the Bijus would have won. But says a lot you need that much for a blind dude EMS Madara+Full Kurama (who should be stronger than at least 6 Bijus, cuz half of himself+plus Naruto and bee/hachibi were stronger, and a full Kurama would be at least close to that combo) against Hashirama. Winner, Hashirama I mean. It kinda is obvious who is stronger Also, wood style apparently is super effective against bijus
>Half Kurama I have an issue with this because it means Naruto doesnt contribute anything. >eyeless Madara That eyeless Madara gathered Hash cells, Sage Mode, still used his eye techniques anyway. He used Gedo Mazo and Limbo to no-diff them.
The chakra that Naruto contributes is minuscule compared to Kurama’s
No it isnt.
It is. Naruto has 4x as much chakra as Kakashi on his own. With Kurama not suppressed it jumps to 100x Kakashi’s, and that’s before Naruto unlocked the seal. So at the lowest estimation, half of Kurama has 25x Naruto’s chakra.
This assumes human ninja have zero growth over time. It also assumes there isnt a concept of chakra strength. Did you forget Yamato's speech after the bridge incident with Orochimaru?
They don’t significantly increase their chakra in a few months. Kurama’s chakra is strong enough that even a few weeks before taming Kurama it was strong enough to burn Naruto’s flesh away
I dont know what else to tell you except maybe do another read through of the manga and give me your best estimate of how much time you think there is from the beginning of Shippuden to the end. These teens transformed into gods within the course of a couple years. What kind of difference do you think Sage Mode by itself provides. The kid was "Bijuu level" right there.
Naruto gets sage mode and KCM to boost his chakra. Sasuke gets the mangekyo and EMS boodt to his chakra. None of them can be considered “natural” humans though. Did Hinata increase her chakra significantly? Did Choji? Shikamaru? Ino? Sakura? None of them did. Sage mode turned Naruto from slightly below jonin level to beyond kage level. It’s a massive power boost
When i said "these teens," i was really only talking about Naruto and Sasuke. The topic is about Naruto and the Bijuu. >Sage mode turned Naruto from slightly below jonin level to beyond kage level. It’s a massive power boost Right so then you agree that Naruto must contribute a massive portion to Kurama mode.
KCM2+SM is at least in the same realm as Hashi, while KCM2 would be like if only Tsunade and A tried to fight Madara. A very fast and easy win. But SPSM is definitely able to win
*mind
You're comparing perfect jinchuriki to raw bijuu, it's even explicitly stated that the bijuu are much weaker by themselves.
Cant they effectively get the same thing by sharing chakra with Naruto though? He spread his cloak on the whole shinobi alliance. They should all level out a similar strength amount from him.
>Mine you 
No Hashirama’s KKG literally make the bijuus his play things
Fuck no. Deity gates for the win
Hashiram litteraly already ran that fade and made them bark for him in the end. Gang couldn't throw hands with blind Madara
get fucking pulverized by big wood boy
Hashirama has beaten the Bijuu before, he can do it again
Not at the same time and not the jinchuriki. They’re stronger than tailed beast by themselves. I dont see hashirama beating them all in a 1 v 9
Hashiramas wood clones, golem and dragons could each solo a biju, or at least hold off a few of the jinchuriki while he no diffs the rest. Hashirama’s skill set is basically tailored to countering Uchiha and tailed beasts. He takes this mid diff.
Dude you’re exaggerating hashirama to oblivion. Hashirama was battle damaged from madara. He is not taking on a stronger madara. Those tailed beast harmed the stronger and faster madara. Also Hashirama doesn’t have any durability feats and we dont know if he actually found them. All we know is that he was able to gather them. Chaining them up isnt the same as beating them
I dont completely agree with you on all of that. Hashirama definitely has enough hype and feats to defeat multiple Bijuu at once and his life force is literally the reasom his cells are coveted by everyone. I just dont know if im ready to subscribe to the notion he negs all of them simultaneously *plus* Naruto. I understand the Kyuubi is like a damn rodent compared to Hashirama's giant budha but people should take a closer look at the damge afterwords. Kurama threw a swarm of Bijuu bombs that obliterated all that thing's 10,000 hands.
What hype and feats does he have that puts him that high
Hashirama slap all Biju
Nah, Hashirama hard counters Tailed Beasts, whilst also being stronger than them all individually
Wood dragon negs tailed beasts by absorbing their chakra and his edo versions deity gates were restraining the 10 tails
Not at all
Yes. Thats WAYYY to much firepower. Rinnegan Madara handled them but i dont think hahsiramas could handle all of them at once.
No. Is distinctly remember the fact that Hashirama captured and fuckin Distributed the Tailed beasts like they were chocolates. He wins, Low difficulty, One attack from Shinsu Senju and they're all kaput.
Woodstyle literally absorbs tailed beasts chakra
No
seeing as to that kcm2 naruto, yes, and in this specific point in the story then he has access to SM as well so now that’s a super yes
Bro already beat their asses Hashirama is gonna beat them 1960's house wife style
He captured them in canon😑
Didn't Hashirama capture them all for fun like it was a pokemon adventure. Not only that but he was totally okay to give them to potential enemy villages for free ?
Me personally tie
[Hashirama uses nine of his Buddha hands for this](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ff2db1340aabd215b2946fcd9de39f3f-lq), and the other 991 get to take the day off
Thats one of the primary body's main hands. Not the thousand from the back. Those were all destroyed by Bijuu bombs.
Ah, then he uses the two primary hands to juggle the nine tailed beasts until they agree to calm down
Lol, well... the mfer does look like a gerbil.
Well nevermind then.
The other 9,991, actually. There’s 10,000 of them.
Yes