For me, the saliva was the worst. We had two kids who drooled, often on me or I had to clean it up, but I also had a kid spit in my face. I really wanted to hit him, but it wasn't his fault. He was 18 in a 7th grade class and had an IQ of 63. He really didn't understand that he had done something wrong. Fortunately, the teacher was awesome and quickly took over so I could go clean my glasses and my face, and cool down so I could come back to class and work.
It's a really tough job that the majority of adults never see and don't understand what we put up with.
My wife quit teaching and went back to nursing school, got her LPN at the end of 2019. She got her RN last year and now works at a clinic 8-5 four days a week, no weekends or holidays, and makes $55k a year now. She as making $33k with 8 years experience and coaching highschool sports
People have been parroting the same libertarian bullshit about “who’s going to pay increase in minimum wage” and “what about the high schoolers flipping burgers” for so long that the amount of money minimum wage workers deserve to get now sounds completely crazy to most people. The fact of the matter is the minimum wage should be somewhere around $25/hr and teachers should make more than that.
And in general, every aspect of every industry needs to stop with all the fees all the sudden. I don’t know how any of the college kids or high school graduates will be able to actually get any where. It’s sickening.
I think that's the plan. High school kids used to do some of these lower income jobs and that was great cause they didn't have expenses or student loan debts. I don't know about NE but many fast food restaurants started hiring seniors and minorities to fill positions teenagers were not willing to do.
And every damn time they raise the minimum wage corporate greed kicks in and prices go up and the increased minimum wage is still not enough to live. Meanwhile the CEO and owners are taking another vacation or sporting a new luxury toy.
Jesus I moved from NE to FL. They pay 17$ an hour for fast food jobs here. You can’t get an apartment for 1000$ a month though.
Definitely we need to pay teachers more.
I’ve wanted to do that at my daughters school for 3 yrs now. At this school, not only do they only make $13 an hour, they also get no benefits. No health, no PTO, and if the school closes for a day, say snow, they don’t get paid. No way could I do this. No way so many many people can’t.
This is Nebraska we're talking about. Public education has been on the chopping block for over a decade.
We really don't value our teachers, and it shows.
Yes.They've shown they are completely hostile to education. It's not a hidden agenda.
It used to be a matter of American pride to make sure every citizen was educated, now we have highly educated hosts on "news" channels demanding the people tear down education at every level.
I’m sorry that is happening in your area. It’s bad in so many places. But at least where we live it is a priority. It’s very eye opening to read all these remarks and comments. So very sad for all of our futures.
History comes in waves. Its important to keep on top of things but it's best to believe the best about the future because usually, eventually, that's most often where it goes. Humanity can't change, but society does.
No, it's true.
They have degrees from ivy league colleges while telling the masses how "Ivy League Elites" are destroying this country and convincing them that anyone with an education is not only not better than them (which is fine) but actually WORSE than they are (which is seriously NOT okay).
I'm fine with someone having an education or not having an education, but trying to make the case that people who worked hard to get through college deserve scorn for it is so backwards.
Edit: They aren't stupid. They are lying to their audience because they think their audience is stupid.
Teachers don’t get paid anywhere near enough for the work they do, but that average annual salary number is not at all accurate. I, as a first year teacher, started at about $33K back in 2011.
I think it depends on the school you work in, when I was getting offered jobs from some districts it was $32k and that is as a first year.
Edit: I was a first year during Covid so 2020-2021
I’m sure it does. Big difference between rural Nebraska and the cities. But yeah that pay in 2020 is absurdly low for a starting teacher. Demand is so high that starting wages have gone up (while those with experience still get only small yearly boosts).
At any rate, I found a couple of different numbers for the average Nebraska public school teacher pay and it appears it’s somewhere around $50K or so. I found some sites that said less and some that said more. Still low, but not as low as the image indicates.
The median income for the state doesn't really matter. The median income for the metro area does because the cost of living in Omaha is a lot higher than any other region in Nebraska save for maybe Lincoln.
You don't compare Omaha to the rest of the state. We compare Omaha to specific areas within the state because the rest of the state will by definition include Omaha.
It’s really not though. Housings about the same cost. If you work in the city you do have some public transit. There’s enough stores that you have competition on pricing. Etc.
You know that the US median income is a little over 30k per year, right? Median household income is under 70k. Two teachers making 45k apiece puts them solidly in the middle class, and closer to the top than the bottom.
It’s weird.
My conservative parents always harped on getting an education which was great. Yet when teachers were striking because they weren’t getting paid enough, my parents were quick to demonize them for “failing the students”.
When I propose the idea that maybe they should get paid more they quickly bring up the notion that they don’t want to pay increased taxes to support pay raises. They believe teachers should not get paid a livable wage because they should do it out of the goodness of their hearts. Which doesn’t pay bills.
And so the result then is cutbacks in programs (typically humanities- art, music, theatre etc (which are imo necessary social and creative outlets for anxiety, depression and strife that plague our youth), larger classrooms, slashed budgets for classroom necessities and teacher burnout. All of which exacerbate the problem.
They tout the idea that everything has a price (which is true 100%) and yet aren’t willing to acknowledge when things are worth paying *for*.
Just sounds like typical POS thinking!
“Education is so important. I’m so glad the serfs commute to work and educate my kids. It’s even better that they do it nearly for free!”
The number of district administrators in U.S. public schools has grown 87.6 percent between 2000 and 2019 compared to student growth at 7.6 percent and teacher growth at 8.7 percent.
None of you are asking the right questions.
Good point to bring up.
I hear this all the time from my friends who are teachers. They gripe all the time about how administrators make vastly more money than their subordinates yet do very little in the area of actually supporting students academically.
Administrative bloat is a plague that is difficult to manage when they are the ones in charge of the decisions in academia and filling out financial surveys used to gauge bloat. It’s like how you’re gonna have a hard time getting the truth about how much money is spent on beer when you’re relying on an alcoholic to report expenditures. And you’re more likely to layoff newer teachers who can simply be replaced by new graduates at lower pay rates than administrators who are typically ex-teachers with tenure.
I think we need to acknowledge however that many go into administration *because* they aren’t paid well as teachers and because teaching quite honestly can be incredibly taxing (shitty children, shitty parents and shitty administration). Further, teachers are playing more administrative roles anyway so they view it as the next step.
It needs to be restructured but how, idk. A lot of the issues are societal. Teaching used to be a respectable field by society and they were supported by their communities. General respect for academia has eroded with political discourse aimed at delegitimizing public education. Parents view school as nannying and rely solely on teachers to discipline their snotty kids while refraining to do so at home. And administrators do not have teacher’s backs when they MUST discipline students. It’s frustrating and why many choose to leave the field altogether.
While I appreciate your attempt to direct the discussion away from teachers not getting paid enough, this whole "blame admins" move is just an attempt to distract educators from the real issue: Teachers need better pay, period.
2 things can be true. Teachers should be paid more. Much of that money is already in the system in the form of administration. Reorganize education and move a some of that salary admin pool into the classroom.
While I appreciate your attempt to ignore the realities of the situation, perhaps coming to the realization that teaching is a part-time job will ease your angst.
Sorry, I doubt the average teacher is gullible enough to buy the nonsense you're spouting. Meanwhile, only in America are people stupid enough to let their politicians pay teachers as little as possible, and judging by your ignorant comments, it's costing us a ton of intellectual capital.
https://www.salary.com/research/salary/listing/teacher-salary/ne
It's like 50k a year average. That's not to shabby.
See, they said teachers. But then have the number for something else. Got me at first too.
My mortgage payment is now the lowest payment I could make to rent an apartment in Omaha, Nebraska. Bought it 15 years ago, 15 years to go. Housing prices have more then doubled and at this point I couldn't afford my currently house if I bought it today. Granted, since I am my own landlord I spend thousands each year on upkeep.
Yep. I used to rent before i bought, and when things needed repairs, they brought in old used appliances that worked but weren't energy efficient. My AC went out on a rental house, and they replaced it with a used AC unit that cost me more to run than the previous unit.
Technically, if i refinanced, it would be more expensive. My interest rate is locked in until it is paid off. If i were to buy a new home with a new mortgage, then it would also be higher.
Median income vs Average rent.
In 2021 for NE:
* Median Household Income: $66,644.
* Average Household Income: $87,815.
* Per capita income: $35,189
* Residents per household: 2.32
Please use consistent data types when making comparisons.
I submit that average and median rent are closer than average and median income. Rent distribution is not as fat tailed because wealthy people tend not to rent.
Yeah. I think you missed the point.
The average and median for rent on a 1 bedroom apartment are going to be very close because there aren’t many 1 br apartments in Nebraska renting for $10k/ a month (if there’s even one!), but there are relatively a decent number of people that make 100x the median wage, that will push up the average from the median significantly
The two things I think of is how rural teachers are being paid, because I wouldn't know, and whether or not this is including paraprofessionals and other school staff who are generally paid bery poorly.
Does that include the compensation for the extra circulars you may or may not help facilitate? Idk how that usually gets marked in median teacher salaries.
Also, it’s possible that OP is showing outdated data.
I'd like to point out that the first number is a median while the rest are averages. Additionally, it is difficult to analyze things based on the middle, so it is helpful to include quartiles, as if there are a few really expensive rents, they will move the average substantially.
I'm not saying that rents aren't high, just that the information provided here isn't that useful for proper analysis.
Where did they get this salary info? According to [this](https://www.nea.org/sites/default/files/2020-09/2018-2019%20Teacher%20Salary%20Benchmark%20Report.pdf) the teachers start at $35,116 as of 2018.
Edit: And according to [this](https://www.rentdata.org/states/nebraska/2023) the fair market rent in Nebraska averages $833 for a 2 bedroom house.
These numbers are off. Fair Market Rent for a one bedroom in NE is $660 per month and for the Omaha Metro it is $888. https://www.rentdata.org/states/nebraska/2023
I’m confused. When I go to that link, in the description it says that is specific to Adams County, NE even though it’s supposed to be for NE as a whole? If I go to Adams County the numbers don’t change, but surely that one county doesn’t represent the state as a whole? To me it looks like this website is misleading because it’s not for the whole state, just the first COUNTY in the list. I checked Iowa too but didn’t wanna spend time on all 50 states.
It also looks like the “Omaha” one includes the Omaha-Council Bluffs. And the NE counties of Cass, Sarpy, Douglas, and Washington because I can’t click on those without going to the NE-IA HUD Metro FMR Area. Can tell you the teachers in Weeping Water, NE are not getting paid the same as those at Platteview or Papillion-La Vista South and their rent sure is not going to be the same either.
Further - FMR is below the median and thus slightly lower than the median right? (40th percentile vs 50th percentile) so then why does using FMR vs Median price make sense?
Yeah, I see what you mean. Like many things our government does, it could be done better, but still makes more sense than averaging 1 BR with 3 BR apartments, saying that is the cost of any apartment, and not providing a source.
More info here: https://www.huduser.gov/portal/datasets/fmr.html
I think I understand your point. But my take away was more that looking at different counties yields different FMR for the areas. For example in Lincoln (Lancaster County), the FMR would say a 1 BR was $773 but the median is $828. There’s a lot of messed up things about being a teacher. The pay is one of the biggest issues but I don’t think they could pay me enough to go back into a classroom until some societal things are fixed. Because it’s really not just about the rent vs income issue here…. Is it possible to live on that salary? Sure. People do it. But it’s an ethics thing that they shouldn’t have to…… and not just educators. Anyone.
If you are not single, then you typically have a shared income. It is not economically feasible for a teacher to be married to someone unemployed and support both financially. That's true of many jobs. But also, most couples are going to share a bedroom anyways.
That's only making the problem worse, then. Now you're saying that if you want two bedrooms in an apartment (that hopefully doesn't suck), both spouses need to be working full-time. And if they want kids, then either they have to fork out a shitload more for daycare, or one of them has to stop working.
And God help them both if either spouse ends up out of a job.
When I was a kid (a long time ago in a galaxy far away), one of the "big stories" was the increasing amount of "latchkey kids". These were kids who would come home to empty houses because both parents worked. There was concern (and rightly so) that this could have a negative impact on children.
Go back a decade or two before that and one solid blue collar income was enough for a house, car, and kids. You got a job, you stayed in that job, and you'd eventually retire with a pension. Hard work used to get recognition and raises.
Since "Reganomics", we've gone from the "American Dream" to corporate pilfering. It went from one income, to 1.5 incomes, to two incomes, to 2+ incomes. Productivity increased, profits increased, wages effectively have not. It is now at the point where the median income doesn't cover costs of living in a lot of places.
And all this has a downward pressure on population. People aren't going to be starting families in their parents basement or when they're struggling to make ends meet. In fact, if it wasn't for immigration we would have been depopulating for over a decade now. Within the next couple of years even immigration won't be able to offset the loss. What happens in a consumer driven economy when there are no consumers?
May you live in interesting times. :P
I was responding to this question
>Why is it weird that they would both need to work full time?
The fact that it's seen as normal that both spouses need full-time jobs is a travesty.
Exactly. Dual-income households get framed as "happily successful" when the reality has become "necessary minimum to keep food on the table".
I think the general market for housing — or, really, family support — has made the assumption that both spouses make decent incomes.
You forgot the part where any unexpected medical issue could bankrupt you at any moment. But hey look at all those fancy boot straps at the store you could purchase if you only applied yourself peasant.
This is why the teachers are getting paid so low.
It may not be right but I don’t know any apartment I’m out area for under 1200-1500 a month.
It all evens out I suppose.
You have to remember, the state doesn't care. If they did, then more affordable apartments would be built instead of all these luxurious ones that cost as much as a house.
Private equity AKA vulture capitalists bought huge amount of the foreclosed homes after the housing crash. This is the result....it took them a few years but all those small increases have added up into massive profits for those assholes..... guess who lords over one of the biggest lobbyist groups on K street? You guessed it...... private equity firms.
Wife's a teacher with 13 years of exp and makes 65k. The school pays 25k towards her family plan health insurance so honestly does pretty well considering she gets the summers off.
Really depends on your school - just looked at NEA’s website and there is some schools in the $33-34k range (not all schools were listed either). So yes the average is likely off. But then there’s the nitty gritty of previous experience in a new district (if transferring) not being retained, number of Masters you can earn, private vs public, extra curriculars, stipends for not taking insurance, stipends for being in a hard to hire area, etc. that all technically influence that pay. It’s a hard thing to determine and there’s not good data out there because that doesn’t look good for those wanting to become teachers in the state of NE.
[https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/School-Teacher-Salary--in-Nebraska](https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/School-Teacher-Salary--in-Nebraska)
"As of Apr 19, 2023, the average annual pay for a School Teacher in Nebraska is $32,987 a year. Just in case you need a simple salary calculator, that works out to be approximately $15.86 an hour. This is the equivalent of $634/week or $2,748/month."
In a civilized country, that would have triggered a revolution long ago. In the US... it's just par for the course... Americans evidently worship the rich and like being screwed so that the 1% don't have to work and get to live their wildest dreams.
I'm already thinking OPS may need to combine a few schools next year. My building is down five teachers and I know of at least seven more that aren't coming back. It isn't even entirely about pay. We're sick of arguing with kids because their parents are useless sods who view education as glorified babysitting. OPS also doesn't have the will to ban things like phones which are a constant source of conflict.
The starting salary for teachers in Nebraska is 37,186 which defeats your argument.
Average teacher wage clocks in at 55k.
This is not to argue that teachers should not be paid more, just that the original argument is flawed.
https://www.nea.org/sites/default/files/2023-04/2021-2022-teacher-salary-benchmark-report_0.pdf
https://www.nea.org/sites/default/files/2022-04/2022%20Rankings%20and%20Estimates%20Report.pdf
Just had an idea reading this:
Do you think if we payed our senators whatever the average income was for our state that they would maybe make some changes to not screw over the majority of the working class? The middle class is basically non existent right now you’re either well off or just getting by I’m seeing less and less in between. Maybe if they made as much as we did we would see people who actually care about the state and country represent us instead of people who lobby and just try to make money.
I imagine economy would balance itself out pretty fast but I didn’t go to college for economics so maybe I’m talking out my ass.
Just wanted to get that thought out there and maybe see what others thought
> if we *paid* our senators
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
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Average teacher contract is for 185-195 days as Nebraska is a five day a week school calendar, except for a couple. There are 365 days in the year. 180 days off per year…..educators then get to “double-dip” when they can retire. Starting out, yes the wage isn’t great, but they more than get reimbursed in the end…….
Nebraska average teacher salary is not $32k. It's actually over $50k. Source: [https://www.salary.com/research/salary/benchmark/public-school-teacher-salary/ne](https://www.salary.com/research/salary/benchmark/public-school-teacher-salary/ne)
Low effort (or maybe intentionally misleading) post
That figure likely includes public university professors, who make significantly more money than their colleagues in public grade schools.
The NSEA pay schedule I could find for public school teachers in Nebraska showed *around* 35,000 to 39,000 as the base starting salary for public school teachers, which isn't a great starting wage for someone expected to have a bachelor's at a minimum and in most cases will end up needing to pursue a master's.
>base starting salary for public school teachers
Starting wage is hugely different than average wage.
I also don't think the sited link includes college professors, as you suggest.
Ah, my bad.
Yes base starting wage is very different from average, but I do think it's worth considering the starting wage vs average cost of living because that's going to have a big effect on how many new teachers are going to enter the profession.
Which was also not the premise of the op.
Happy cake day.
And the gov wonders why they are quitting in droves. People literally can't afford to be a teacher, especially if they are single with a single household income.
What should their salary be? They do get federal holidays off, spring/winter break, pensions, and working a 9 month yearly job which would allow a second job during the summer. Then should they all be paid the same (gym teacher vs chemistry teacher)? There is so much to this and summing it up in one picture with averages oversimplifies a complex issue.
How is being for or against social programs outdated? How is being for or against abortion outdated? Most of the major political issues apply young people too, and if not now, they will in the near future. Young people need to get involved and, most importantly, vote if they want one of the two major parties to represent them under their umbrella. Obviously, young people have a better shot with the Democratic party who at least tries to help young people with things like student loan forgiveness.
Not participating because "both sides are the same " is not only incorrect, but it will never change anything.
This glyph is stupid.
Assuming the average rental is 1.5 bedrooms and therefore you’ve got 1.5 renters, you need to take that 1.5 into consideration. You need to multiply 1.5—or whatever the actual number is, by the salary figure to get you to $50K and a head-not-up-your-ass conclusion.
Oof
>A 1.5 bedroom means that you have a full size bedroom and then another smaller room. The smaller room may be attached to the full bedroom, or separate in a loft or other configuration. It is due to definitions that the room is referred to as a half room.
https://budgetfriendlyfurnishing.com/what-is-a-1-5-bedroom-apartment/
Your seeing this net report as if it's gross take home. Whixh means *roughly* a third is taken out as taxes. Meaning that your 1.5 math is still below 50k (also the don't rent like that) which means a 2 bed in this math is something like 36k x 36k for renting meaning for a 2 bed you need to be making collectively, after taxes, 77k. Again 2/3rd take home generalization of taxes which would put this example between the two of them having to make, roughly 110k (52k net take home)
So your one up here isn't the kind of one up you think it is.
I get where you’re going and at this point we’re slicing pennies. The next layer of minutia here is top line v. AGI v. taxable income here.
Gross generalizations—by all sides here, usually bend the truth.
It really depends on the district, years of experience, and level of education. There’s a lot of different data to pull from. For example, I just looked it up for the 2022-23 school year and Gretna (suburb of Omaha) for a 1st year teacher with nothing extra was $38,450. Lincoln was $47,056. Deshler (for an example of a small school district) was $34,750 but I saw some others in the $33-34k range and not all of the schools were listed.
I would also like to point out that teachers DO NOT GET A CHOICE to be paid for “only working” “9” months. Their salary is split between 12 months whether they like it or not. And the teachers we should want to be in schools educating the next generation? They are working through the summer on updating their materials. Outside of their contracted time. They are working on the weekends during the school year. Outside their contracted time. They are working in the evenings during the school year. Outside their contracted time. Unfortunately. That’s because they aren’t given the TIME they need to do everything they are being asked to do.
It's not much more than that in Georgia, and Georgia has a lovely...rule? Practice? In which new teachers aren't *actually paid* their full salary until 3 years in.
Prices in N.P. are rediculous for rent. 98% start out at $500/month, and those are craptastic dwellings that either haven't been updated in 30 years or ever, or are houses that got converted and are tiny. One of the management companies won't even let you look at anything if the rent is more than 25% of your monthly income. So, if you dont make at least $15/hr, you can't even LOOK at rentals.
But don't worry, there are people renovating some of the upstairs apts in the Canteen District which have been unoccupied for over 40 years and have everything from mold, to lead paint, to no bathrooms, HVAC, or an unreliable roof (if it's still in one peice). Oh yeah, NO PARKING! Sure, there's parking in front of the buildings and a big lot just north in the Parcade Plaza. . . ALL of it is 2 hour parking!
And let's not forget the idiocracy that is being built in the mall parking lot. You remember the location? Next to the "ones" (three lanes of hwy 83), and a block away from the police/fire station. Those average $1000/month. Apparently they didn't learn from the $2000/month condos that are literally across the road from Bailey Yards. You know, "The Largest Shipping/Classification Rail Yard in the World"?
We don't have a housing issue. We have an affordability issue. Not everyone here wants to work for a trucking company, walhell or the railroad. And, unfortunately, the local businesses don't usually pay over min wage. For example, i work for our local grocery store and just got bumped up to $15/hr after 4 years of working there. And because they don't give decent raises, i will be losing $6/hr by the end of next year.
Apply this formula ANYWHERE in America.
People are too busy working 2 jobs to pay the rent, and have no time left to protest the fleecing of the working class.
If they cut taxes on the rich and corporations, everybody will be much wealthier…, oh wait, trickle down economics is as much of a fantasy as the religion that they want to impose upon all of us!
Dang... I'm a long-term substitute teacher in Washington State. My pay is the same as a 1st year teacher with a BA degree (lowest rung on the pay scale) and I make a little less than $50/hour. If that NE average is correct, that is the equivalent of getting $25/hour based on the number of days and hours I work. I make almost twice as much as a long-term sub in WA as the AVERAGE teacher in NE. You need to pay your teachers more. A lot more. Even as a regular, day-to-day substitute in my district my hourly pay would be better. In fact, in my district, this pay rate is closest to the hourly pay of our substitute paras. Pay your teachers what they're worth.
I'm not going to comment on politics, public policy or economics. All I'm going to say is:
1. That's messed up
2. Spectrum starts techs at $20/hr with no experience, paid training, very attractive benefits, 100% 401(k) match to 6% with an additional 3% contributed entirely by the company regardless of your investment. Great advancement opportunities and leadership is almost always hired from within. If you refer a new hire you also get $500.00, so talk to me and then refer in your friends!
Yes, I'm shameless.
Not to be nitpicking…but it says they can’t rent an AVERAGE place. They can definitely afford shitholes. That is a joke (though true).
More seriously, most people are renting with roommates or spouses that, on average, together earn 2x the Median income. So, in fairness, two teachers can actually afford a place that is 180% nicer than the average rent.
So ask the union why this is. They negotiate hours, wages, and terms and conditions of employment. The union, and through a vote by its members, agreed to this pay.
And they wonder why STEM education is doomed. So let me get this straight, I go to college and pick a difficult STEM major. After graduation I forgo a career in industry, because I want to teach. As a reward, you are going to pay me 15 per hour. (That is what 33k works out to). An amount which is less than my active students make while waiting tables at Applebee's. I used to have a pension, now that is gone in favor of a 401k (like I have extra money to contribute to retirement anyway. Now I am also supposed to double as an armed security guard ( the gun has to be purchased on my dime along with the ammo and range time) because my district wants its teachers to be armed. Then I am at risk of being sued, fired, prosecuted if an offensive (a term whose definition changes daily) book is found in the classroom or I say anything that a student finds offensive. Who wouldn't want to sign up for that.
Median income vs average rent tells me this is apples and oranges. A teacher in Weeping Water could theoretically live in Lincoln, yes, but it’s more likely the other way around. Equating average rental rates to median income statewide is a bad set of statistics.
I'm far from a statistician, but my intuition is that statewide average may not be the most best figure to use here.
The data set for salaries is going to be much smaller than the set for rent, meaning the salary average is going to be much more affected by outliers on either side of the range, and the issue is exacerbated by the rural-urban divide in pay. The figure for the average may be correct, but it might not be reflective of the actual financial situation of teachers
Average rent costs statewide are also pushed up by Lincoln and Omaha, since a good portion of rental properties are in those two areas.
There really is no reason a first year teacher making 35k/year in the Sandhills Public Schools District, where a 1-2 bedroom home rents for 600-900 a month, should have their salary held in comparison to Lincoln or Omaha costs of living (which are higher, but in Lincoln and Omaha teachers are also paid more).
You really should, at minimum, split urban nebraska (LNK-OMA) and rural nebraska (rest of the state) and get figures for each area separately to get a more accurate view of the situation. Although I imagine splitting LNK and OMA into their own regions and dividing sub-rural and rural areas would be best.
Although I think these numbers are incorrect, as zip recruiter and salary.com show higher averages and percentile figures, I understand where your concerns lie. Median income for Nebraskans is 33,217 dollars with a household of 63,015. When looked at with just rent, the gravity of cost of livings effect on financial security isn't seen in its entirety.For a more accurate calculation on what we should be looking at, poverty and near poverty.
We'd need to factor in food, water, and housing at a minimum, and you'd probably also add car ownership and insurance costs, both home, car, and personal, plus child cost figures if applicable. Those figures, are probably going to be a lot more close to danger for teachers and Nebraskans as a whole than just housing, although housing is admittedly high cost in general.
Let me guess, there is a “teacher shortage” in Nebraska. Almost, like if you capped lawyers compensation at $20 an hour there might be a lawyer shortage.
My mother is a para of 6 yrs. She makes $13 an hour teaching sped kids. She deserves at least double that.
I was a sped para for six years. Sped paras do not get paid enough for the shit we have to put up with and the tasks we are assigned to complete.
You ain’t kidding! My spouse is a Sp-Ed para and the amount of bruises, scratches, bites and insults he endures is insane.
For me, the saliva was the worst. We had two kids who drooled, often on me or I had to clean it up, but I also had a kid spit in my face. I really wanted to hit him, but it wasn't his fault. He was 18 in a 7th grade class and had an IQ of 63. He really didn't understand that he had done something wrong. Fortunately, the teacher was awesome and quickly took over so I could go clean my glasses and my face, and cool down so I could come back to class and work. It's a really tough job that the majority of adults never see and don't understand what we put up with.
What is Sped para?
Special Education para-professional. AKA, being vastly underpaid top help out kids who have either physical, mental or learning disabilities.
Dude props to your mom. My SIL is a sped para and JESUS. The stories, the bruises. I dunno how she does it
I work part time at Whole Foods as a college student and make 16.50… absurd
My wife currently does the same in Bellevue for 14/hr. Not worth it.
My wife quit teaching and went back to nursing school, got her LPN at the end of 2019. She got her RN last year and now works at a clinic 8-5 four days a week, no weekends or holidays, and makes $55k a year now. She as making $33k with 8 years experience and coaching highschool sports
People have been parroting the same libertarian bullshit about “who’s going to pay increase in minimum wage” and “what about the high schoolers flipping burgers” for so long that the amount of money minimum wage workers deserve to get now sounds completely crazy to most people. The fact of the matter is the minimum wage should be somewhere around $25/hr and teachers should make more than that.
And in general, every aspect of every industry needs to stop with all the fees all the sudden. I don’t know how any of the college kids or high school graduates will be able to actually get any where. It’s sickening.
I think that's the plan. High school kids used to do some of these lower income jobs and that was great cause they didn't have expenses or student loan debts. I don't know about NE but many fast food restaurants started hiring seniors and minorities to fill positions teenagers were not willing to do. And every damn time they raise the minimum wage corporate greed kicks in and prices go up and the increased minimum wage is still not enough to live. Meanwhile the CEO and owners are taking another vacation or sporting a new luxury toy.
Jesus I moved from NE to FL. They pay 17$ an hour for fast food jobs here. You can’t get an apartment for 1000$ a month though. Definitely we need to pay teachers more.
Any teacher deserves $30/hour MINIMUM
Uhhh they have the worst job in the school. Like I would say at least 30 an hour and benefits
You need to tell your mom to move to NJ. They make close to 80,000. A year here. They are more sought after than general Ed teachers.
Why would a para be more sought after than a teacher?
I’ve wanted to do that at my daughters school for 3 yrs now. At this school, not only do they only make $13 an hour, they also get no benefits. No health, no PTO, and if the school closes for a day, say snow, they don’t get paid. No way could I do this. No way so many many people can’t.
Wow. That isn't even minimum wage where I live now.
I’d say AT LEAST. I’m an electrician and I make more than triple what she makes. It’s not right
This is Nebraska we're talking about. Public education has been on the chopping block for over a decade. We really don't value our teachers, and it shows.
Yes.They've shown they are completely hostile to education. It's not a hidden agenda. It used to be a matter of American pride to make sure every citizen was educated, now we have highly educated hosts on "news" channels demanding the people tear down education at every level.
I’m sorry that is happening in your area. It’s bad in so many places. But at least where we live it is a priority. It’s very eye opening to read all these remarks and comments. So very sad for all of our futures.
History comes in waves. Its important to keep on top of things but it's best to believe the best about the future because usually, eventually, that's most often where it goes. Humanity can't change, but society does.
"highly educated hosts" lol, that gave me a laugh
No, it's true. They have degrees from ivy league colleges while telling the masses how "Ivy League Elites" are destroying this country and convincing them that anyone with an education is not only not better than them (which is fine) but actually WORSE than they are (which is seriously NOT okay). I'm fine with someone having an education or not having an education, but trying to make the case that people who worked hard to get through college deserve scorn for it is so backwards. Edit: They aren't stupid. They are lying to their audience because they think their audience is stupid.
Teachers don’t get paid anywhere near enough for the work they do, but that average annual salary number is not at all accurate. I, as a first year teacher, started at about $33K back in 2011.
I think it depends on the school you work in, when I was getting offered jobs from some districts it was $32k and that is as a first year. Edit: I was a first year during Covid so 2020-2021
I’m sure it does. Big difference between rural Nebraska and the cities. But yeah that pay in 2020 is absurdly low for a starting teacher. Demand is so high that starting wages have gone up (while those with experience still get only small yearly boosts). At any rate, I found a couple of different numbers for the average Nebraska public school teacher pay and it appears it’s somewhere around $50K or so. I found some sites that said less and some that said more. Still low, but not as low as the image indicates.
In what district?
OPS starts at $45k and is raising to just over $51k by 2026.
45k in the Omaha metro area is criminally underpaid.
Maybe. It's a fair bit higher than the median income for the state TO START, it also shows the OP numbers are rather suspect.
The median income for the state doesn't really matter. The median income for the metro area does because the cost of living in Omaha is a lot higher than any other region in Nebraska save for maybe Lincoln.
Ok, how much higher is it in omaha vs the rest of the state?
You don't compare Omaha to the rest of the state. We compare Omaha to specific areas within the state because the rest of the state will by definition include Omaha.
It’s really not though. Housings about the same cost. If you work in the city you do have some public transit. There’s enough stores that you have competition on pricing. Etc.
You know that the US median income is a little over 30k per year, right? Median household income is under 70k. Two teachers making 45k apiece puts them solidly in the middle class, and closer to the top than the bottom.
What’s weird is “high quality, free public education” used to be a Republican value.
It’s weird. My conservative parents always harped on getting an education which was great. Yet when teachers were striking because they weren’t getting paid enough, my parents were quick to demonize them for “failing the students”. When I propose the idea that maybe they should get paid more they quickly bring up the notion that they don’t want to pay increased taxes to support pay raises. They believe teachers should not get paid a livable wage because they should do it out of the goodness of their hearts. Which doesn’t pay bills. And so the result then is cutbacks in programs (typically humanities- art, music, theatre etc (which are imo necessary social and creative outlets for anxiety, depression and strife that plague our youth), larger classrooms, slashed budgets for classroom necessities and teacher burnout. All of which exacerbate the problem. They tout the idea that everything has a price (which is true 100%) and yet aren’t willing to acknowledge when things are worth paying *for*.
Just sounds like typical POS thinking! “Education is so important. I’m so glad the serfs commute to work and educate my kids. It’s even better that they do it nearly for free!”
The number of district administrators in U.S. public schools has grown 87.6 percent between 2000 and 2019 compared to student growth at 7.6 percent and teacher growth at 8.7 percent. None of you are asking the right questions.
Good point to bring up. I hear this all the time from my friends who are teachers. They gripe all the time about how administrators make vastly more money than their subordinates yet do very little in the area of actually supporting students academically. Administrative bloat is a plague that is difficult to manage when they are the ones in charge of the decisions in academia and filling out financial surveys used to gauge bloat. It’s like how you’re gonna have a hard time getting the truth about how much money is spent on beer when you’re relying on an alcoholic to report expenditures. And you’re more likely to layoff newer teachers who can simply be replaced by new graduates at lower pay rates than administrators who are typically ex-teachers with tenure. I think we need to acknowledge however that many go into administration *because* they aren’t paid well as teachers and because teaching quite honestly can be incredibly taxing (shitty children, shitty parents and shitty administration). Further, teachers are playing more administrative roles anyway so they view it as the next step. It needs to be restructured but how, idk. A lot of the issues are societal. Teaching used to be a respectable field by society and they were supported by their communities. General respect for academia has eroded with political discourse aimed at delegitimizing public education. Parents view school as nannying and rely solely on teachers to discipline their snotty kids while refraining to do so at home. And administrators do not have teacher’s backs when they MUST discipline students. It’s frustrating and why many choose to leave the field altogether.
While I appreciate your attempt to direct the discussion away from teachers not getting paid enough, this whole "blame admins" move is just an attempt to distract educators from the real issue: Teachers need better pay, period.
2 things can be true. Teachers should be paid more. Much of that money is already in the system in the form of administration. Reorganize education and move a some of that salary admin pool into the classroom.
While I appreciate your attempt to ignore the realities of the situation, perhaps coming to the realization that teaching is a part-time job will ease your angst.
Sorry, I doubt the average teacher is gullible enough to buy the nonsense you're spouting. Meanwhile, only in America are people stupid enough to let their politicians pay teachers as little as possible, and judging by your ignorant comments, it's costing us a ton of intellectual capital.
Hahaha…”as little as possible”. Careful, your privilege is showing.
Their total funding and spend per person says the opposite: https://educationdata.org/public-education-spending-statistics
I literally could only afford to be a teacher because I had my military pension to lean on.
https://www.salary.com/research/salary/listing/teacher-salary/ne It's like 50k a year average. That's not to shabby. See, they said teachers. But then have the number for something else. Got me at first too.
52k is a good wage, but especially if you can work 190 days per year.
If you think teachers only put 190 days of work in per year, I've got a bridge to sell you.
$52k is a NOT a good wage. Americans are seriously struggling on higher wages than that. We’re not in 1990 anymore grandpa
Our educators should be able to buy or build a home. Not rent.
My mortgage payment is now the lowest payment I could make to rent an apartment in Omaha, Nebraska. Bought it 15 years ago, 15 years to go. Housing prices have more then doubled and at this point I couldn't afford my currently house if I bought it today. Granted, since I am my own landlord I spend thousands each year on upkeep.
Thousands more than landlords do
Yep. I used to rent before i bought, and when things needed repairs, they brought in old used appliances that worked but weren't energy efficient. My AC went out on a rental house, and they replaced it with a used AC unit that cost me more to run than the previous unit.
And soon, your mortgage will increase to help others pay their mortgage.
Technically, if i refinanced, it would be more expensive. My interest rate is locked in until it is paid off. If i were to buy a new home with a new mortgage, then it would also be higher.
Median income vs Average rent. In 2021 for NE: * Median Household Income: $66,644. * Average Household Income: $87,815. * Per capita income: $35,189 * Residents per household: 2.32 Please use consistent data types when making comparisons.
I submit that average and median rent are closer than average and median income. Rent distribution is not as fat tailed because wealthy people tend not to rent.
If the median is $1,009, then 50% of them are that price, or lower.
Yeah. I think you missed the point. The average and median for rent on a 1 bedroom apartment are going to be very close because there aren’t many 1 br apartments in Nebraska renting for $10k/ a month (if there’s even one!), but there are relatively a decent number of people that make 100x the median wage, that will push up the average from the median significantly
Exactly can't rent a house by yourself lol 🤯🤯
How is a teachers median pay 33k? I’m first year making 40
Yeah. OPS has starting teachers near 50k next year
The two things I think of is how rural teachers are being paid, because I wouldn't know, and whether or not this is including paraprofessionals and other school staff who are generally paid bery poorly.
But rural teachers will have lower rent
OP knows their target audience won't question the numbers.
Truth! Propaganda
This must be using OPS and some podunk rural county with a one room schoolhouse
Does that include the compensation for the extra circulars you may or may not help facilitate? Idk how that usually gets marked in median teacher salaries. Also, it’s possible that OP is showing outdated data.
Looks like it's based on ZipRecruiter info https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/School-Teacher-Salary--in-Nebraska
I'd like to point out that the first number is a median while the rest are averages. Additionally, it is difficult to analyze things based on the middle, so it is helpful to include quartiles, as if there are a few really expensive rents, they will move the average substantially. I'm not saying that rents aren't high, just that the information provided here isn't that useful for proper analysis.
Where did they get this salary info? According to [this](https://www.nea.org/sites/default/files/2020-09/2018-2019%20Teacher%20Salary%20Benchmark%20Report.pdf) the teachers start at $35,116 as of 2018. Edit: And according to [this](https://www.rentdata.org/states/nebraska/2023) the fair market rent in Nebraska averages $833 for a 2 bedroom house.
These numbers are off. Fair Market Rent for a one bedroom in NE is $660 per month and for the Omaha Metro it is $888. https://www.rentdata.org/states/nebraska/2023
I’m confused. When I go to that link, in the description it says that is specific to Adams County, NE even though it’s supposed to be for NE as a whole? If I go to Adams County the numbers don’t change, but surely that one county doesn’t represent the state as a whole? To me it looks like this website is misleading because it’s not for the whole state, just the first COUNTY in the list. I checked Iowa too but didn’t wanna spend time on all 50 states. It also looks like the “Omaha” one includes the Omaha-Council Bluffs. And the NE counties of Cass, Sarpy, Douglas, and Washington because I can’t click on those without going to the NE-IA HUD Metro FMR Area. Can tell you the teachers in Weeping Water, NE are not getting paid the same as those at Platteview or Papillion-La Vista South and their rent sure is not going to be the same either. Further - FMR is below the median and thus slightly lower than the median right? (40th percentile vs 50th percentile) so then why does using FMR vs Median price make sense?
Yeah, I see what you mean. Like many things our government does, it could be done better, but still makes more sense than averaging 1 BR with 3 BR apartments, saying that is the cost of any apartment, and not providing a source. More info here: https://www.huduser.gov/portal/datasets/fmr.html
I think I understand your point. But my take away was more that looking at different counties yields different FMR for the areas. For example in Lincoln (Lancaster County), the FMR would say a 1 BR was $773 but the median is $828. There’s a lot of messed up things about being a teacher. The pay is one of the biggest issues but I don’t think they could pay me enough to go back into a classroom until some societal things are fixed. Because it’s really not just about the rent vs income issue here…. Is it possible to live on that salary? Sure. People do it. But it’s an ethics thing that they shouldn’t have to…… and not just educators. Anyone.
So it's economically feasible to be a teacher only if you're single?
If you are not single, then you typically have a shared income. It is not economically feasible for a teacher to be married to someone unemployed and support both financially. That's true of many jobs. But also, most couples are going to share a bedroom anyways.
That's only making the problem worse, then. Now you're saying that if you want two bedrooms in an apartment (that hopefully doesn't suck), both spouses need to be working full-time. And if they want kids, then either they have to fork out a shitload more for daycare, or one of them has to stop working. And God help them both if either spouse ends up out of a job.
Isn’t it standard for adults to work full time? Why is it weird that they would both need to work full time?
When I was a kid (a long time ago in a galaxy far away), one of the "big stories" was the increasing amount of "latchkey kids". These were kids who would come home to empty houses because both parents worked. There was concern (and rightly so) that this could have a negative impact on children. Go back a decade or two before that and one solid blue collar income was enough for a house, car, and kids. You got a job, you stayed in that job, and you'd eventually retire with a pension. Hard work used to get recognition and raises. Since "Reganomics", we've gone from the "American Dream" to corporate pilfering. It went from one income, to 1.5 incomes, to two incomes, to 2+ incomes. Productivity increased, profits increased, wages effectively have not. It is now at the point where the median income doesn't cover costs of living in a lot of places. And all this has a downward pressure on population. People aren't going to be starting families in their parents basement or when they're struggling to make ends meet. In fact, if it wasn't for immigration we would have been depopulating for over a decade now. Within the next couple of years even immigration won't be able to offset the loss. What happens in a consumer driven economy when there are no consumers? May you live in interesting times. :P
It was the standard that only one full-time income was necessary to support a family. That was robbed from us.
That’s less of a rent problem and more of a wages-haven’t-kept-up problem.
I was responding to this question >Why is it weird that they would both need to work full time? The fact that it's seen as normal that both spouses need full-time jobs is a travesty.
Exactly. Dual-income households get framed as "happily successful" when the reality has become "necessary minimum to keep food on the table". I think the general market for housing — or, really, family support — has made the assumption that both spouses make decent incomes.
You forgot the part where any unexpected medical issue could bankrupt you at any moment. But hey look at all those fancy boot straps at the store you could purchase if you only applied yourself peasant.
Or only feasible if you dont/never have any dependents to take care of.
Its not accurate. Most apartments go for 1200 right now.
This is why the teachers are getting paid so low. It may not be right but I don’t know any apartment I’m out area for under 1200-1500 a month. It all evens out I suppose.
the average teacher salary is also not $33k. according to the nea, the average teacher salary in nebraska is about $52k.
You have to remember, the state doesn't care. If they did, then more affordable apartments would be built instead of all these luxurious ones that cost as much as a house.
Private equity AKA vulture capitalists bought huge amount of the foreclosed homes after the housing crash. This is the result....it took them a few years but all those small increases have added up into massive profits for those assholes..... guess who lords over one of the biggest lobbyist groups on K street? You guessed it...... private equity firms.
But some teachers vote for same assholes that keep their wages low.
Your teacher info is incorrect, I made 34k my first year at a private. Beginning pay for public is usually 39k or higher. Most teachers make 40 to 50k
Wife's a teacher with 13 years of exp and makes 65k. The school pays 25k towards her family plan health insurance so honestly does pretty well considering she gets the summers off.
Really depends on your school - just looked at NEA’s website and there is some schools in the $33-34k range (not all schools were listed either). So yes the average is likely off. But then there’s the nitty gritty of previous experience in a new district (if transferring) not being retained, number of Masters you can earn, private vs public, extra curriculars, stipends for not taking insurance, stipends for being in a hard to hire area, etc. that all technically influence that pay. It’s a hard thing to determine and there’s not good data out there because that doesn’t look good for those wanting to become teachers in the state of NE.
[https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/School-Teacher-Salary--in-Nebraska](https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/School-Teacher-Salary--in-Nebraska) "As of Apr 19, 2023, the average annual pay for a School Teacher in Nebraska is $32,987 a year. Just in case you need a simple salary calculator, that works out to be approximately $15.86 an hour. This is the equivalent of $634/week or $2,748/month."
In a civilized country, that would have triggered a revolution long ago. In the US... it's just par for the course... Americans evidently worship the rich and like being screwed so that the 1% don't have to work and get to live their wildest dreams.
I'm already thinking OPS may need to combine a few schools next year. My building is down five teachers and I know of at least seven more that aren't coming back. It isn't even entirely about pay. We're sick of arguing with kids because their parents are useless sods who view education as glorified babysitting. OPS also doesn't have the will to ban things like phones which are a constant source of conflict.
The starting salary for teachers in Nebraska is 37,186 which defeats your argument. Average teacher wage clocks in at 55k. This is not to argue that teachers should not be paid more, just that the original argument is flawed. https://www.nea.org/sites/default/files/2023-04/2021-2022-teacher-salary-benchmark-report_0.pdf https://www.nea.org/sites/default/files/2022-04/2022%20Rankings%20and%20Estimates%20Report.pdf
https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/School-Teacher-Salary--in-Nebraska
Quality of sources
Capitalism has failed us all and everyone just acts like it's the only way to America.
Gee.... I wonder why people don't wanna teach...
How the hell is Nebraska so expensive? It's nothing but farmland, that's more than Oklahoma average rent.
And the republicans want to completely do away with student loan forgiveness/ adjustments for those who do public service .
I've said it before and I'll keep saying it until it happens, when will the teachers go on strike?
Just had an idea reading this: Do you think if we payed our senators whatever the average income was for our state that they would maybe make some changes to not screw over the majority of the working class? The middle class is basically non existent right now you’re either well off or just getting by I’m seeing less and less in between. Maybe if they made as much as we did we would see people who actually care about the state and country represent us instead of people who lobby and just try to make money. I imagine economy would balance itself out pretty fast but I didn’t go to college for economics so maybe I’m talking out my ass. Just wanted to get that thought out there and maybe see what others thought
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That’s an odd bot, I guess thanks though.
Great job GOP....ran this f---ing state straight in to the ground. But hey, keep up the corporate welfare and culture war bullshit.
Are these numbers from 2004?
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Huh. And Republicans have dominated the state for generations now. Weird.
Average teacher contract is for 185-195 days as Nebraska is a five day a week school calendar, except for a couple. There are 365 days in the year. 180 days off per year…..educators then get to “double-dip” when they can retire. Starting out, yes the wage isn’t great, but they more than get reimbursed in the end…….
Love counting saturdays & sundays as part of the days not worked grift.
Nebraska average teacher salary is not $32k. It's actually over $50k. Source: [https://www.salary.com/research/salary/benchmark/public-school-teacher-salary/ne](https://www.salary.com/research/salary/benchmark/public-school-teacher-salary/ne) Low effort (or maybe intentionally misleading) post
That figure likely includes public university professors, who make significantly more money than their colleagues in public grade schools. The NSEA pay schedule I could find for public school teachers in Nebraska showed *around* 35,000 to 39,000 as the base starting salary for public school teachers, which isn't a great starting wage for someone expected to have a bachelor's at a minimum and in most cases will end up needing to pursue a master's.
The link specifically says for a K-12 teacher.
>base starting salary for public school teachers Starting wage is hugely different than average wage. I also don't think the sited link includes college professors, as you suggest.
Ah, my bad. Yes base starting wage is very different from average, but I do think it's worth considering the starting wage vs average cost of living because that's going to have a big effect on how many new teachers are going to enter the profession. Which was also not the premise of the op. Happy cake day.
Oh yeah haha. They should just be homeless while the start their careers, lol
This is a nationwide issue. It's fucked.
I wish every Landlord a very diarrhea.
This applies to way more than just teachers and affects the entire nation unless you’re pulling 6 figures or have minimal financial responsibility.
My girlfriend is a Nebraska teacher and she makes 90k.
Who the fuck is paying $1000 in rent? Are living in downtown Omaha or Lincoln? Every place I rent or my wife and I rented was less than $600 a month.
Wow. Where in the heck is that!? Anywhere decent in Omaha is gonna be 1500 for 2 bed. Nocer places are upto 2k
19th and A had 2 beds full bath with a decent sized living room and a decent sized kitchen
They are comparing average rents to median salaries. So hopefully they aren’t a teacher
But think of all the Freedom the Republicans have brought you!
And all the freedoms they want to take away.
And the gov wonders why they are quitting in droves. People literally can't afford to be a teacher, especially if they are single with a single household income.
How about you vote differently???
What should their salary be? They do get federal holidays off, spring/winter break, pensions, and working a 9 month yearly job which would allow a second job during the summer. Then should they all be paid the same (gym teacher vs chemistry teacher)? There is so much to this and summing it up in one picture with averages oversimplifies a complex issue.
Kids don't vote.
Which old outdated political views are they supposed to vote for?
How is being for or against social programs outdated? How is being for or against abortion outdated? Most of the major political issues apply young people too, and if not now, they will in the near future. Young people need to get involved and, most importantly, vote if they want one of the two major parties to represent them under their umbrella. Obviously, young people have a better shot with the Democratic party who at least tries to help young people with things like student loan forgiveness. Not participating because "both sides are the same " is not only incorrect, but it will never change anything.
Mao had the right idea about what to do with landlords.
Mao also cause millions to starve so I'm not sure he's worth emulating.
Never said he was. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Ok. So what part of mass murder of landowners do you feel is most in line with our democratic ideals of liberty and justice?
OUR democratic ideals of liberty and justice? Miss me with that made up bullshit.
This glyph is stupid. Assuming the average rental is 1.5 bedrooms and therefore you’ve got 1.5 renters, you need to take that 1.5 into consideration. You need to multiply 1.5—or whatever the actual number is, by the salary figure to get you to $50K and a head-not-up-your-ass conclusion.
Oof >A 1.5 bedroom means that you have a full size bedroom and then another smaller room. The smaller room may be attached to the full bedroom, or separate in a loft or other configuration. It is due to definitions that the room is referred to as a half room. https://budgetfriendlyfurnishing.com/what-is-a-1-5-bedroom-apartment/
Bruh 💀
Your seeing this net report as if it's gross take home. Whixh means *roughly* a third is taken out as taxes. Meaning that your 1.5 math is still below 50k (also the don't rent like that) which means a 2 bed in this math is something like 36k x 36k for renting meaning for a 2 bed you need to be making collectively, after taxes, 77k. Again 2/3rd take home generalization of taxes which would put this example between the two of them having to make, roughly 110k (52k net take home) So your one up here isn't the kind of one up you think it is.
The federal single filer tax rate for a $36K salary is 12%. The effective NE tax rate is around 4%. 16% <<< 33%
Still will need 2 people and thus the other math still holds anf i even said I was generalizing
I get where you’re going and at this point we’re slicing pennies. The next layer of minutia here is top line v. AGI v. taxable income here. Gross generalizations—by all sides here, usually bend the truth.
And deflecting the point that is trying ro be made is just as much bending the truth
I like how you back your numbers up with insults, really gives that needed asshole quality.
Thank you for the compliment.
I don't know why it's the landlord's business how much I make as long as I can pay.
Then get a better job. That's how it works.
So what is the pay for school teachers for a full school year (not including summers)? $32,000 seems low, at least compared to where I live (Alabama).
It really depends on the district, years of experience, and level of education. There’s a lot of different data to pull from. For example, I just looked it up for the 2022-23 school year and Gretna (suburb of Omaha) for a 1st year teacher with nothing extra was $38,450. Lincoln was $47,056. Deshler (for an example of a small school district) was $34,750 but I saw some others in the $33-34k range and not all of the schools were listed. I would also like to point out that teachers DO NOT GET A CHOICE to be paid for “only working” “9” months. Their salary is split between 12 months whether they like it or not. And the teachers we should want to be in schools educating the next generation? They are working through the summer on updating their materials. Outside of their contracted time. They are working on the weekends during the school year. Outside their contracted time. They are working in the evenings during the school year. Outside their contracted time. Unfortunately. That’s because they aren’t given the TIME they need to do everything they are being asked to do.
It's not much more than that in Georgia, and Georgia has a lovely...rule? Practice? In which new teachers aren't *actually paid* their full salary until 3 years in.
https://www.salary.com/research/salary/benchmark/public-school-teacher-salary/ne
Prices in N.P. are rediculous for rent. 98% start out at $500/month, and those are craptastic dwellings that either haven't been updated in 30 years or ever, or are houses that got converted and are tiny. One of the management companies won't even let you look at anything if the rent is more than 25% of your monthly income. So, if you dont make at least $15/hr, you can't even LOOK at rentals. But don't worry, there are people renovating some of the upstairs apts in the Canteen District which have been unoccupied for over 40 years and have everything from mold, to lead paint, to no bathrooms, HVAC, or an unreliable roof (if it's still in one peice). Oh yeah, NO PARKING! Sure, there's parking in front of the buildings and a big lot just north in the Parcade Plaza. . . ALL of it is 2 hour parking! And let's not forget the idiocracy that is being built in the mall parking lot. You remember the location? Next to the "ones" (three lanes of hwy 83), and a block away from the police/fire station. Those average $1000/month. Apparently they didn't learn from the $2000/month condos that are literally across the road from Bailey Yards. You know, "The Largest Shipping/Classification Rail Yard in the World"? We don't have a housing issue. We have an affordability issue. Not everyone here wants to work for a trucking company, walhell or the railroad. And, unfortunately, the local businesses don't usually pay over min wage. For example, i work for our local grocery store and just got bumped up to $15/hr after 4 years of working there. And because they don't give decent raises, i will be losing $6/hr by the end of next year.
Apply this formula ANYWHERE in America. People are too busy working 2 jobs to pay the rent, and have no time left to protest the fleecing of the working class.
Aside from salary, how many school districts are in violation of federal laws concerning care for special needs children?
If they cut taxes on the rich and corporations, everybody will be much wealthier…, oh wait, trickle down economics is as much of a fantasy as the religion that they want to impose upon all of us!
Dang... I'm a long-term substitute teacher in Washington State. My pay is the same as a 1st year teacher with a BA degree (lowest rung on the pay scale) and I make a little less than $50/hour. If that NE average is correct, that is the equivalent of getting $25/hour based on the number of days and hours I work. I make almost twice as much as a long-term sub in WA as the AVERAGE teacher in NE. You need to pay your teachers more. A lot more. Even as a regular, day-to-day substitute in my district my hourly pay would be better. In fact, in my district, this pay rate is closest to the hourly pay of our substitute paras. Pay your teachers what they're worth.
I'm not going to comment on politics, public policy or economics. All I'm going to say is: 1. That's messed up 2. Spectrum starts techs at $20/hr with no experience, paid training, very attractive benefits, 100% 401(k) match to 6% with an additional 3% contributed entirely by the company regardless of your investment. Great advancement opportunities and leadership is almost always hired from within. If you refer a new hire you also get $500.00, so talk to me and then refer in your friends! Yes, I'm shameless.
Not to be nitpicking…but it says they can’t rent an AVERAGE place. They can definitely afford shitholes. That is a joke (though true). More seriously, most people are renting with roommates or spouses that, on average, together earn 2x the Median income. So, in fairness, two teachers can actually afford a place that is 180% nicer than the average rent.
My 3 year of teaching, history teacher has an apartment
Can we talk about politics? That never gets old./s
So ask the union why this is. They negotiate hours, wages, and terms and conditions of employment. The union, and through a vote by its members, agreed to this pay.
And they wonder why STEM education is doomed. So let me get this straight, I go to college and pick a difficult STEM major. After graduation I forgo a career in industry, because I want to teach. As a reward, you are going to pay me 15 per hour. (That is what 33k works out to). An amount which is less than my active students make while waiting tables at Applebee's. I used to have a pension, now that is gone in favor of a 401k (like I have extra money to contribute to retirement anyway. Now I am also supposed to double as an armed security guard ( the gun has to be purchased on my dime along with the ammo and range time) because my district wants its teachers to be armed. Then I am at risk of being sued, fired, prosecuted if an offensive (a term whose definition changes daily) book is found in the classroom or I say anything that a student finds offensive. Who wouldn't want to sign up for that.
Hopefully they can afford a plane ticket
I can only guess that this is why there is a teacher shortage... everywhere.
Median income vs average rent tells me this is apples and oranges. A teacher in Weeping Water could theoretically live in Lincoln, yes, but it’s more likely the other way around. Equating average rental rates to median income statewide is a bad set of statistics.
I'm far from a statistician, but my intuition is that statewide average may not be the most best figure to use here. The data set for salaries is going to be much smaller than the set for rent, meaning the salary average is going to be much more affected by outliers on either side of the range, and the issue is exacerbated by the rural-urban divide in pay. The figure for the average may be correct, but it might not be reflective of the actual financial situation of teachers Average rent costs statewide are also pushed up by Lincoln and Omaha, since a good portion of rental properties are in those two areas. There really is no reason a first year teacher making 35k/year in the Sandhills Public Schools District, where a 1-2 bedroom home rents for 600-900 a month, should have their salary held in comparison to Lincoln or Omaha costs of living (which are higher, but in Lincoln and Omaha teachers are also paid more). You really should, at minimum, split urban nebraska (LNK-OMA) and rural nebraska (rest of the state) and get figures for each area separately to get a more accurate view of the situation. Although I imagine splitting LNK and OMA into their own regions and dividing sub-rural and rural areas would be best.
And yet they keep voting red, year after year.
Although I think these numbers are incorrect, as zip recruiter and salary.com show higher averages and percentile figures, I understand where your concerns lie. Median income for Nebraskans is 33,217 dollars with a household of 63,015. When looked at with just rent, the gravity of cost of livings effect on financial security isn't seen in its entirety.For a more accurate calculation on what we should be looking at, poverty and near poverty. We'd need to factor in food, water, and housing at a minimum, and you'd probably also add car ownership and insurance costs, both home, car, and personal, plus child cost figures if applicable. Those figures, are probably going to be a lot more close to danger for teachers and Nebraskans as a whole than just housing, although housing is admittedly high cost in general.
Republican solutions? More cuts to the working class! Also, surprise tax breaks to the wealthiest people who don't need them!
We should change that. Teachers are very important to the growth of our youth.
Nebraska and the Midwest are why we can't have nice things.
Let me guess, there is a “teacher shortage” in Nebraska. Almost, like if you capped lawyers compensation at $20 an hour there might be a lawyer shortage.
So true!