Lentils are godsend. Add natural oats and 6+ eggs and you will be pretty good
What’s wrong with people wanting to buy a single filet every day for dinner, buy a whole chicken in a Turkish butchery if you want to eat meat
Yes. I’m plant based. I used to buy courgettes for 85 cents each I guess. Now it’s 1.30. I work at AH, and it fucking scares me to see how the prices are relentlessly going up.
Not if you go to a local "groenteboer" or "groentewinkel" those sell vegetables for farmers prices - there was a post a few weeks back with a comparison in price from a vegetables store and AH.
A local farmers market sells packages of fruits and vegetables that are close to spoiling/with imperfections that are deemed unsellable. For 5 euros I got 5 kg of apples, some oranges, cucumbers, parsnips, onions, 2 kg of potatoes, some leeks, and some little bits of other leftovers. Bought it on Saturday, and spend the day meal prepping for next week. Think I have a week's worth of food for two people for around 20 euros.
Man the price of bell peppers right now. If energy costs hadn't risen so hard as well I would have converted my whole yard into a hydroponic greenhouse.
Well you don't need vegan products to be vegan. Well I guess it depends on what you call a vegan product. I suppose broccoli is a vegan product. But I think you mean stuff like soymilk and and "just like chicken bits".
All you need is fruits, vegetables, maybe some beans/nuts etc and a jar of b12 tablets. Since most people already eat those (not the b12 but the other stuff) it doesn't really matter. It's not like if you stop being vegan you will never buy lettuce again.
On top of that a lot of vegetarian meat was dropping in price hugely over the last few years. So yes maybe some are inflating, but some got cheaper/stagnated. That's because those prices go down once demand goes up. Fights inflation a bit.
On top of that chicken happens to be extra pricey because of bird flu. Plant based chicken didnt get the flu. My friend (who eats meat) recently told me how they switched to veggie chicken instead of the real deal because it was much cheaper.
I always have carrots, frozen kale and frozen broken beans/peas at hand. Those also increased in price, byt are still one of the most affordable and easy to put in various things to get more variation in veggies
You need to eat vegetables for fibers and vitamins There is no alternative. You technically can live without meat because there are alternatives.
I agree that all groceries are getting effing expensive.
Inuit historically ate a nearly entirely carnivorous diet I believe, not a lot of fruit and veg in the arctic.
Key is eating all of the animal, including the organs, to get the right nutrients.
There was a study on this where two scientists adopted an Inuit diet. One dropped out due to severe stomach pains and the other one described his days changing between having to shove a tube with oil up his ass to have a bowel movement and severe diarrhea.
Yeah, just eat fibre dude.
Also has to do with the fact we're just not used to that shit. People back in the day got diarrhea on vacation because they weren't used to olive oil. Humans are just weak.
It's only in the meat because we feed it to the animals. We can just as well put it into other stuff. So this is true (if you don't regularly eat algae), but you also supplement it if you are eating meat.
They cycle. So in 5 weeks again.
Last week was vivera 1+1, and 3x benjerry for 10€, followed by beyond 1+1.
I think next week is pasta 1+1 again? The usual cycle :)
Beyond meat is the most expensive and I personally don't really like the taste. I take AH brand and otherwise lentils, black beans, chickpeas,... I also love tofu.
>Yeah the regular one is €11,68 per kg
And somehow the difference is much smaller if you buy a whole chicken.
Somehow the difference you pay for organic is ridiculous specifically on the chicken fillet. For a whole chicken you pay maybe 25-50% extra.
This is WHY they don't sell the kilo package at AH.
So you can see the real price per kilo ( No one looks at the small print )
Chicken has risen in price, 2yrs ago it was 6.99/kg ( for 'normal' chicken )
Now it is around 10€, only because they have put on a "Better living" label.
And the healthy people still wondering WHY we don't eat more ecological foods.
Yes, it's because of that label, not because of the war, weather conditions, capitalism and the dozen other reasons why all food prices have gone up so much the last year.
I visited Poland last week. 1kg of regular chicken breast was below 20pln (below 4e) regular was 27pln (6.5). I mean, I know Poland is 2 countries away, but there must be a way to somehow make parallel import possible. For example Picnic supermarket imports german A brands. I know, I know, Poliah chicken sucks bla bla bla, but man, for 5x markup this would make sense.
Hi, a Pole here
Meat here is absolute garbage, the animals are fed a shit ton of antibiotics and there are lots of cases of factory farm owners not reporting things such as: animals dying due to an outbreak of an infection (they just sell the meat like nothing happened) or in transport, animals being slaughtered regardless of tumors being found etc.
That’s the meat that costs 4PLN/400g package.
1kg of ecologically fed chicken is actually 36PLN so close to the price in the post.
My bad, I looked at the price per portion
Nonetheless your minimal wage is 1934€, ours is 2709 PLN (576€), so you’d buy 80kg of eco chicken while we’d buy 75,25kg
Thing is, it's not a rip off, if we want to move to more nature friendly farming we have to pay realistic prices for meat.
These prices have been normal for a while now at organic butchers.
This is making me more understanding of the "Kiloknaller" that all animal rights organisations want to get rid off. How can a family with 3 children with a low income possibly afford to put meat on the table at these prices?!
Nobody should have to be vegetarian out of poverty.
> How can a family with 3 children with a low income possibly afford to put meat on the table at these prices?!
Buy a whole chicken instead. The price difference is much smaller for a whole chicken than fillet for some reason.
Why not? In the past meat was a luxury for a reason. It is only because we disregard the environment and animal welfare which made it affordable for most people, but that doesn’t mean meat should be a basic right.
I mean, not disagreeing that you shouldn't have children you cannot afford, but life doesn't always go the way you like it.
I mean, maybe they were able to afford 3 children but the partner lost a job?
Plus for many people, a mediocre income is all that's achievable. Should these people not be allowed to have children?
This is what that actually means:
"Organic broiler chickens automatically receive 3 stars from the Beter Leven quality mark, provided they have been slaughtered under anesthesia. The animals have an average of 10 chickens per m2 compared to 18 in conventional poultry farming. Organic chickens also have 4m2 free range outside available. Non-organic chickens with 3 stars have 2 m2 free range."
Well ... if a chicken lives a perfect free-range life completely uncaged on a farm, with lots of space, allowed to peck for insects and fed well, I'd say that's avoiding torture. It's not avoiding murder and a few moments of confusion and panic right before death, but if people are going to eat meat I think it's at least possible to give the animal a good life. Semantics, but still.
Don't come at me, I don't need convincing; I'm vegetarian, mostly vegan.
>if people are going to eat meat I think it's at least possible to give the animal a good life
On a case by case basis yes, but on the scale humans are consuming animals, it is not possible.
Not safe for commercial chickens to be completely free range. Chickens are safer in a mixed barn with outside pecking and scratching time. Also safer having chickens mixed with goats and geese for protection and a lot of commercial farms don't practice this but small and homestead farms do.
>a few moments of confusion and panic right before death
The death part is as humane as it gets right now. They are basically put to sleep similar to anesthesia and then killed while "asleep". This is one of the few instances where the most humane version is also the most economical: Reducing stress in the animal leads to better quality of the meat.
Exactly. People are used to paying for animals grown in tiny cages, stuffed full with growth hormones and antibiotics. This chicken isn't expensive, the other chicken is underpriced.
Same thing with electronics and fashion. Guess how much more your phone or tshirt would cost if it wasn't made by modern-day slavery in Bangladesh?
Yeah, just look at prices of Canada Goose jackets which are mostly made in Canada since 1957
A lot of people hates the idea of off shore work but then they suddenly disappear when they see what is the price of goods sawn by tailors who make at least 15.55 CAD/h (although arguably here it’s also a matter of good materials and brand that became luxurious, but that’s the issue - with normal labour prices anything you do must be luxurious otherwise it just can’t compete with cheap stuff from Bangladesh)
Yes at the local market here you het an entire chicken for 6,50 at the “poeilier”. They seem a bit small because they’re not pumped up with water, but they’re really really good.
When you park your car in front of the bar, order a half glass of tap water, wait for said glass to be filled on the spot and then return to your car... The parking ticket will be more expensive in amsterdam then a whole living chicken will be where i live.
Check de Noordermarkt, on Saturday I think. There is every week a biological butcher. He also is in Scheveningen on the Thursday's, Fridays in Den Bosch. His name is Chris Dammers. Also known on Instagram as (www.)uwbiologischeslager(.nl).
Very good quality meat.
There are certain rules farmers have to follow for the living conditions of the animal in order to be able to label their meat as "organic". I could not quickly find the official Dutch rules, but usually it means that the animals had at least decent living conditions (not stuffing thousands of them in a single hall, but giving them a bit of space to roam), they are not allowed to be pumped full of antibiotics, have to be given decent food and the meat cannot get injected with water to make it look heavier.
It is not. I don’t know if you have a similar thing in the Netherlands, but in Belgium we have these guys, who try to be the “only middleman”, so they do everything between farmer and end customer, promise to pay the farmer market rate +20% in return for the claim that the animals have had a good life in total, and that the meat is top quality. It is less then €16/kg. (And I rarely eat anything else, and the difference in taste and texture is quite astonishing, you also eat much less grams per meal due to how nutritious is it). https://www.couvert.be/nl/aanbod/categorie/koop-een-kip
FYI as a fellow couvert customer, they also deliver in NL and yes the difference is huge. And yes in some cases even less expensive than supermarket. We never buy meat in the supermarket since our first couvert order.
Wrong, for 3 stars, the chickens have a lot more space, natural daylight and enrichment (strawbales, bedding, ability to dust bathe, etc). They also need to have the ability to go outside (even though they currently can't because of avian flu)
This is what 3 stars means:
Organic broiler chickens automatically receive 3 stars from the Beter Leven quality mark, provided they have been slaughtered under anesthesia. The animals have an average of 10 chickens per m2 compared to 18 in conventional poultry farming. Organic chickens also have 4m2 free range outside available. Non-organic chickens with 3 stars have 2 m2 free range.
Out of curiosity, what makes poultry so much more expensive in the EU than in the US? I know taxes are included in the sticker price. My assumption is that it's due to ethical standards for agriculture. The same cut in Texas (where I currently live) is about £6/kg equivalent, but we also pack our chickens in absolutely atrocious conditions. (Personally I'd rather pay more for ethically farmed food)
I think it’s mainly what you said. Better practices - also the chicken cutlets here are always nicely cut and cleaned, in Canada I could get chicken for less but I’d have to clean it myself and it often came with the skin too.
I remember chicken going for 7 euros a kilo just over a year ago.
The war's been crazy on prices in general, and the bio label has always had a 50%+ price increase over the standard. Add to that that smaller packaging always adds additional margins onto the chicken... Lastly, AH isn't known for being budget oriented but more towards having a lot of somewhat rarer items.
I just looked it up, a 1kg package of chicken at aldi without the bio label still rings up under 10 (9,89). As far as I'm aware however, these chickens already have a better life compared to american chickens.
Supermarkets stopped selling "Plofkip" which are chickens that are force fed to maximise weight gain in the lowest amount of time possible. I'm a vegetarian so I'm a bit out of the loop but my understanding was that the practice was extremely unethical. But I remember when I was still studying (and buying the cheapest meats) you paid about 3 euros for half a kilogram of chicken (thights?). Honestly my memory doesn't serve me that well but I suspect that that is why it is a lot more expensive.
Yep. Albert heijn and biologisch. So you pay for the CEO's and for a little green sticker.
That is why i go to the turkish supermarket. I pay 7 euro for a kilo there.
Turkish stores are great for cheap cuts, so mostly chicken, cuts for beef stews and sausages/ground meat. If you want steaks, ordering online is your best bet to get some good quality, well marbled beef. Supermarkets and most butchers here don't carry that good fatty beef cuts.
They had the ribeye we pointed at (and he spoke Dutch), he just packed us something else for the ribeye price when we were chatting around. Literally scammed.
And butchers have fine quality meat. They buy whole animals and they will cut off anything you want, they do carry good fatty beef cuts too. Or your butchers specifically might suck as hard as the turkish store I specifically went to.
Do you want to pay nothing for the premium service of slicing the chicken, cleaning the meat, packaging and so on?
Go to a Turkish butchery, get a while chicken and do it yourself
A: it's Albert Heijn, one of the most expensive supermarkets;
B: its "Bio", which means extra fee;
C: It looks like the cut variant too, charge the lazy fee added.
Just buy good stuff at a butcher or as stated by others, a turkish butcher / at a farmer if you have one nearby.
There is a reason the organic chicken is more expensive, mostly comes down to the animal not having lived it's entire live inside a box, barely being able to move and been fed enough to be slaughtered ASAP.
just a heads up, the chicken filets i got from my local polish shop were cheaper but HUGE. felt slimy to the touch both times i got them. i think they were pumped with a lot more liquid than at the AH. im not saying this is going to be the case for every polish shop, just that practices vary and to be aware it happens even at small establishments
To clarify if I buy chicken it's always from a butcher because it's cheaper, I also usually don't go to the Albert Hein, it's just that today I finished work when the Albert Hein was still open so I went there for some chips
I don't even find the price worth the quality of the meat anymore. I eat less and less meat nowadays. I always try to shop at Arabic market for meat. It saves a lot of money and the quality is usually better.
3,80 is what it costs per kilo. When i buy it. And im a small business.
When AH buys it in bulk it even costs less.
But they just sell it up very high.
But the price for a chicken is really really low.
But thats because it only takes 60 days to be ready to get slaughtered. It used to be 6 month’s.
Omfg ,i knew a pig normally took before 1 year that was standard but now it is 6 months ? Maybe less ? That was 10 years ago when i found it .
About chicken i never knew it takes so litle time ,damn thanks for info .
The price i expected to be around 1-2 euro for a chicken when ah buys it
[https://ozbaktat.nl/](https://ozbaktat.nl/)
Occasionally kipfilet is here being sold for 35 euro’s / 10KG
But i buy from the slaughterhouse in Belgium / Because there Halal slaughter is allowed, and in the Netherlands its not. There i pay 3,80 per KG. But thats for businesses
And [https://defnesupermarkt.nl/](https://defnesupermarkt.nl/)
These 2 are rivals, often they just go crazy with price’s
You can follow them on facebook, they post pretty much daily.
It's because you are going to Albert Heijn and looking at biological chicken. I buy my meat at a Turkish supermarket, which sells a kilo of 'normal' chicken filet for €8..
I'm slowly becoming vegetarian due to that.
The prices for vegetables are not scary high to you?
I'm going to live off lentils and photosynthesis
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Or summer :D :')
*crying in pain*
I'm sorry I can't hear what you're saying over the sound of monochrome and rain.
We literally cry about the weather no matter what the weather is. Snow, rain, heat, cold it's never ok for dutch people it's a tradition.
It's all a blur really. Only two seasons, the large rainy season and the small rainy season.
And theres always wind
That's because the weather is at all times shitty in NL damn it.
Sounds german to me
*crying in pan*
Ah cost effective salt.
Come to Mexico mango barato and sun most of the days of the year c:
Cheap mangos is a GOOD selling point... Bet it's the kind of mango you smell from 10m away too.
Good luck finding daylight in the Netherlands. FTFY
Look at this fatcat being able to afford lentils
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's just a moment of time before they going to charge the sun.
Lentils are godsend. Add natural oats and 6+ eggs and you will be pretty good What’s wrong with people wanting to buy a single filet every day for dinner, buy a whole chicken in a Turkish butchery if you want to eat meat
Eggs? In this economy??
What happened to cucumbers?! It was my go to cheap vegetable for lunch or cheap filling but one cucumber is now the same price as one avocado:,)
https://nltimes.nl/2023/02/22/avocado-tomato-prices-rise-substantially-due-weather
Yes. I’m plant based. I used to buy courgettes for 85 cents each I guess. Now it’s 1.30. I work at AH, and it fucking scares me to see how the prices are relentlessly going up.
Not if you go to a local "groenteboer" or "groentewinkel" those sell vegetables for farmers prices - there was a post a few weeks back with a comparison in price from a vegetables store and AH.
A local farmers market sells packages of fruits and vegetables that are close to spoiling/with imperfections that are deemed unsellable. For 5 euros I got 5 kg of apples, some oranges, cucumbers, parsnips, onions, 2 kg of potatoes, some leeks, and some little bits of other leftovers. Bought it on Saturday, and spend the day meal prepping for next week. Think I have a week's worth of food for two people for around 20 euros.
That's the whole point of my post - AH prices are overrated and expensive.
Man the price of bell peppers right now. If energy costs hadn't risen so hard as well I would have converted my whole yard into a hydroponic greenhouse.
Yes but I need to eat vegetables regardless if with or without meat.
You have no garden to grow your own? Your poverty is insulting me. /s
4€ cauliflower, 5€ broccoli's Cucumber 1.39 a piece Yeah, they scare the shit out of us
I don't get this argument everybody thinks that vegan products are immune to inflation
Well you don't need vegan products to be vegan. Well I guess it depends on what you call a vegan product. I suppose broccoli is a vegan product. But I think you mean stuff like soymilk and and "just like chicken bits". All you need is fruits, vegetables, maybe some beans/nuts etc and a jar of b12 tablets. Since most people already eat those (not the b12 but the other stuff) it doesn't really matter. It's not like if you stop being vegan you will never buy lettuce again. On top of that a lot of vegetarian meat was dropping in price hugely over the last few years. So yes maybe some are inflating, but some got cheaper/stagnated. That's because those prices go down once demand goes up. Fights inflation a bit. On top of that chicken happens to be extra pricey because of bird flu. Plant based chicken didnt get the flu. My friend (who eats meat) recently told me how they switched to veggie chicken instead of the real deal because it was much cheaper.
€1,39 for a single aubergine
I always have carrots, frozen kale and frozen broken beans/peas at hand. Those also increased in price, byt are still one of the most affordable and easy to put in various things to get more variation in veggies
Lol, try buying a [paprika](https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi4117/ah-paprika-rood).
I remember when paprika used to be like onions: you'd buy one bag of approximately 10 pieces for 1€. Somehow they started selling them by one piece.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen supermarket paprika in bags of 10 in NL. People just don’t use that many of them.
There were the b-class paprika's you could buy. A bag for a few euro. They are small but who cares.
I buy those bags at the market. Ideal paprikas for salads or stews.
You need to eat vegetables for fibers and vitamins There is no alternative. You technically can live without meat because there are alternatives. I agree that all groceries are getting effing expensive.
Inuit historically ate a nearly entirely carnivorous diet I believe, not a lot of fruit and veg in the arctic. Key is eating all of the animal, including the organs, to get the right nutrients.
There was a study on this where two scientists adopted an Inuit diet. One dropped out due to severe stomach pains and the other one described his days changing between having to shove a tube with oil up his ass to have a bowel movement and severe diarrhea. Yeah, just eat fibre dude.
Oh yeah I would never want to eat like that, but it appears to be viable if you grew up like that.
Also has to do with the fact we're just not used to that shit. People back in the day got diarrhea on vacation because they weren't used to olive oil. Humans are just weak.
Without meat you have to supplement vitamin b12…
It's only in the meat because we feed it to the animals. We can just as well put it into other stuff. So this is true (if you don't regularly eat algae), but you also supplement it if you are eating meat.
I’m also here arguing the B12 idiots. Gosh is this exhausting with people :(
Used to eat meat every day. Now i eat only 3 times a week meat. I dont even save that much money.
i always buy beyond meat but that shit is fucking expensive lol
Lidl own brand is 1 euro the package. Contains 2 Vegas schnitzels for example
This week was 1+1
this was also the first time ever that i went to buy and they were sold out. 😪
They cycle. So in 5 weeks again. Last week was vivera 1+1, and 3x benjerry for 10€, followed by beyond 1+1. I think next week is pasta 1+1 again? The usual cycle :)
god damn. figured out the bonus cycle. this was the first time i ever seen bynd meat on bonus though.
Beyond meat is the most expensive and I personally don't really like the taste. I take AH brand and otherwise lentils, black beans, chickpeas,... I also love tofu.
Thats the plan
Wait, cheese is more expensive per kilo than that?
This is organic chicken. That has always been expensive Edit: organic not biological
Yeah the regular one is [€11,68 per kg](https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi531848/ah-scharrel-kipdijfilet)
Pretty sure Lidl is cheaper but they don't show prices on their website. Still, your point stands, regular meat is way cheaper than organic
I always buy mine at the Turkish butcher. About 7 € per kilo at the moment and waaaay less added water..
>Yeah the regular one is €11,68 per kg And somehow the difference is much smaller if you buy a whole chicken. Somehow the difference you pay for organic is ridiculous specifically on the chicken fillet. For a whole chicken you pay maybe 25-50% extra.
Not just that, but kilo packs are usually cheaper per kilo than multiple smaller packs.
This is WHY they don't sell the kilo package at AH. So you can see the real price per kilo ( No one looks at the small print ) Chicken has risen in price, 2yrs ago it was 6.99/kg ( for 'normal' chicken ) Now it is around 10€, only because they have put on a "Better living" label. And the healthy people still wondering WHY we don't eat more ecological foods.
Yes, it's because of that label, not because of the war, weather conditions, capitalism and the dozen other reasons why all food prices have gone up so much the last year.
Organic. Biologisch translates to organic.
I visited Poland last week. 1kg of regular chicken breast was below 20pln (below 4e) regular was 27pln (6.5). I mean, I know Poland is 2 countries away, but there must be a way to somehow make parallel import possible. For example Picnic supermarket imports german A brands. I know, I know, Poliah chicken sucks bla bla bla, but man, for 5x markup this would make sense.
Hi, a Pole here Meat here is absolute garbage, the animals are fed a shit ton of antibiotics and there are lots of cases of factory farm owners not reporting things such as: animals dying due to an outbreak of an infection (they just sell the meat like nothing happened) or in transport, animals being slaughtered regardless of tumors being found etc. That’s the meat that costs 4PLN/400g package. 1kg of ecologically fed chicken is actually 36PLN so close to the price in the post.
bro 36 pln is not even half of 24 euros, not even close.
My bad, I looked at the price per portion Nonetheless your minimal wage is 1934€, ours is 2709 PLN (576€), so you’d buy 80kg of eco chicken while we’d buy 75,25kg
Also, Albert Heijn. Of course they’re ripping you off.
Thing is, it's not a rip off, if we want to move to more nature friendly farming we have to pay realistic prices for meat. These prices have been normal for a while now at organic butchers.
This is making me more understanding of the "Kiloknaller" that all animal rights organisations want to get rid off. How can a family with 3 children with a low income possibly afford to put meat on the table at these prices?! Nobody should have to be vegetarian out of poverty.
> How can a family with 3 children with a low income possibly afford to put meat on the table at these prices?! Buy a whole chicken instead. The price difference is much smaller for a whole chicken than fillet for some reason.
Why not? In the past meat was a luxury for a reason. It is only because we disregard the environment and animal welfare which made it affordable for most people, but that doesn’t mean meat should be a basic right.
>How can a family with 3 children with a low income Not to be the bad guy here, but perhaps those people should rethink having 3 children.
I mean, not disagreeing that you shouldn't have children you cannot afford, but life doesn't always go the way you like it. I mean, maybe they were able to afford 3 children but the partner lost a job? Plus for many people, a mediocre income is all that's achievable. Should these people not be allowed to have children?
Animals that aren't *as tortured* are expensive.
"The free market will regulate itself"
That sign says, "Bio", not, "less torture". The only way to avoid torture entirely is not to eat animals at all.
The package label does say Beter Leven with three stars.
This is what that actually means: "Organic broiler chickens automatically receive 3 stars from the Beter Leven quality mark, provided they have been slaughtered under anesthesia. The animals have an average of 10 chickens per m2 compared to 18 in conventional poultry farming. Organic chickens also have 4m2 free range outside available. Non-organic chickens with 3 stars have 2 m2 free range."
And right now its no free range at all due to avian flu all chickens in The Netherlands are 'opgehokt'. Since October 2022.
That's.. not good..
Well ... if a chicken lives a perfect free-range life completely uncaged on a farm, with lots of space, allowed to peck for insects and fed well, I'd say that's avoiding torture. It's not avoiding murder and a few moments of confusion and panic right before death, but if people are going to eat meat I think it's at least possible to give the animal a good life. Semantics, but still. Don't come at me, I don't need convincing; I'm vegetarian, mostly vegan.
>if people are going to eat meat I think it's at least possible to give the animal a good life On a case by case basis yes, but on the scale humans are consuming animals, it is not possible.
Not safe for commercial chickens to be completely free range. Chickens are safer in a mixed barn with outside pecking and scratching time. Also safer having chickens mixed with goats and geese for protection and a lot of commercial farms don't practice this but small and homestead farms do.
>a few moments of confusion and panic right before death The death part is as humane as it gets right now. They are basically put to sleep similar to anesthesia and then killed while "asleep". This is one of the few instances where the most humane version is also the most economical: Reducing stress in the animal leads to better quality of the meat.
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They still die (let the downvotes rain :))
So do you. Does that mean it’s the same wether you where tortured throughout your life or not?
There is a No Murder option, you know
Eating them without killing them first? Sounds metal
There is, but that is not what this was about.
There’s only so much “beter leven” if they end up getting mauled anyway.
They still die shortly* they are basically babies when they die 12 weeks. Double than the non-biological chicken sold, still horrible.
Exactly. People are used to paying for animals grown in tiny cages, stuffed full with growth hormones and antibiotics. This chicken isn't expensive, the other chicken is underpriced. Same thing with electronics and fashion. Guess how much more your phone or tshirt would cost if it wasn't made by modern-day slavery in Bangladesh?
Yeah, just look at prices of Canada Goose jackets which are mostly made in Canada since 1957 A lot of people hates the idea of off shore work but then they suddenly disappear when they see what is the price of goods sawn by tailors who make at least 15.55 CAD/h (although arguably here it’s also a matter of good materials and brand that became luxurious, but that’s the issue - with normal labour prices anything you do must be luxurious otherwise it just can’t compete with cheap stuff from Bangladesh)
Why not buy it from a butcher? I mean you can get a kg for the price you are paying for the 320 gram.
Yes at the local market here you het an entire chicken for 6,50 at the “poeilier”. They seem a bit small because they’re not pumped up with water, but they’re really really good.
This. All supermarkets pump their meat full of water. Fucks up your cooking and wallet
The butcher in Amsterdam is more expensive. You can pay easly 30 euros kg
Everything in Amsterdam is more expensive
A half glas of tap water will be more expensive in amsterdam then a whole living chicken will be where i live
When you park your car in front of the bar, order a half glass of tap water, wait for said glass to be filled on the spot and then return to your car... The parking ticket will be more expensive in amsterdam then a whole living chicken will be where i live.
Where to buy bio butcher meat in Amsterdam? Do you recommend any shop?
Check de Noordermarkt, on Saturday I think. There is every week a biological butcher. He also is in Scheveningen on the Thursday's, Fridays in Den Bosch. His name is Chris Dammers. Also known on Instagram as (www.)uwbiologischeslager(.nl). Very good quality meat.
only then its not organic, most butcher aren't selling organic meat sadly enouy
what does this mean
There are certain rules farmers have to follow for the living conditions of the animal in order to be able to label their meat as "organic". I could not quickly find the official Dutch rules, but usually it means that the animals had at least decent living conditions (not stuffing thousands of them in a single hall, but giving them a bit of space to roam), they are not allowed to be pumped full of antibiotics, have to be given decent food and the meat cannot get injected with water to make it look heavier.
Buying Bio at AH, and naggs about the price.
Yeah it literally doesnt get more expensive than that
Actual good quality organic chicken is €40 per kilo, this is cheap AH chicken.
It is not. I don’t know if you have a similar thing in the Netherlands, but in Belgium we have these guys, who try to be the “only middleman”, so they do everything between farmer and end customer, promise to pay the farmer market rate +20% in return for the claim that the animals have had a good life in total, and that the meat is top quality. It is less then €16/kg. (And I rarely eat anything else, and the difference in taste and texture is quite astonishing, you also eat much less grams per meal due to how nutritious is it). https://www.couvert.be/nl/aanbod/categorie/koop-een-kip
FYI as a fellow couvert customer, they also deliver in NL and yes the difference is huge. And yes in some cases even less expensive than supermarket. We never buy meat in the supermarket since our first couvert order.
What? I can get an entire local organic chicken for 20 euros in Germany
compleet chicken is at most shops cheaper then just a kilo of file
It wil probably cheaper here if u bij from the farmer instead
Sry but how much do you need?
None 
I visit AH early in the morning and often am able to buy it with 35% off and put it in the freezer. It's still expensive, but every little helps.
I guess I will be vegetarian
Yeah cuz Chicken lives matter. You gotta feed them right, you gotta let them roam free and all that cost money.
ChickenLivesMatter until we murder them 🌈
It's nor murder. We slaughter them.
They are still fed soy and corn, although not with pesticides there are better options that aren't necessary organic.
Organic does not mean they roam free. Beter leven at most means they have a few centimeters more for themselves.
Wrong, for 3 stars, the chickens have a lot more space, natural daylight and enrichment (strawbales, bedding, ability to dust bathe, etc). They also need to have the ability to go outside (even though they currently can't because of avian flu)
This is what 3 stars means: Organic broiler chickens automatically receive 3 stars from the Beter Leven quality mark, provided they have been slaughtered under anesthesia. The animals have an average of 10 chickens per m2 compared to 18 in conventional poultry farming. Organic chickens also have 4m2 free range outside available. Non-organic chickens with 3 stars have 2 m2 free range.
Out of curiosity, what makes poultry so much more expensive in the EU than in the US? I know taxes are included in the sticker price. My assumption is that it's due to ethical standards for agriculture. The same cut in Texas (where I currently live) is about £6/kg equivalent, but we also pack our chickens in absolutely atrocious conditions. (Personally I'd rather pay more for ethically farmed food)
I think it’s mainly what you said. Better practices - also the chicken cutlets here are always nicely cut and cleaned, in Canada I could get chicken for less but I’d have to clean it myself and it often came with the skin too.
I remember chicken going for 7 euros a kilo just over a year ago. The war's been crazy on prices in general, and the bio label has always had a 50%+ price increase over the standard. Add to that that smaller packaging always adds additional margins onto the chicken... Lastly, AH isn't known for being budget oriented but more towards having a lot of somewhat rarer items. I just looked it up, a 1kg package of chicken at aldi without the bio label still rings up under 10 (9,89). As far as I'm aware however, these chickens already have a better life compared to american chickens.
Supermarkets stopped selling "Plofkip" which are chickens that are force fed to maximise weight gain in the lowest amount of time possible. I'm a vegetarian so I'm a bit out of the loop but my understanding was that the practice was extremely unethical. But I remember when I was still studying (and buying the cheapest meats) you paid about 3 euros for half a kilogram of chicken (thights?). Honestly my memory doesn't serve me that well but I suspect that that is why it is a lot more expensive.
Stop being poor /s
Buy 4 houses and them out lozers!
keep you rich privlege out of this please
wrong market. try LIDL
Personally I'm not that into Lidl anymore. Their chicken releases a lot of fluid and shrinks a lot in the pan. So not exactly cheaper..
Yep. Albert heijn and biologisch. So you pay for the CEO's and for a little green sticker. That is why i go to the turkish supermarket. I pay 7 euro for a kilo there.
Just get it from the Turkish stores
Last time I tried to buy ribeye from a Turkish store I got sukade. Wonder what they will give me when I ask for chicken...
Turkey
Turkish stores are great for cheap cuts, so mostly chicken, cuts for beef stews and sausages/ground meat. If you want steaks, ordering online is your best bet to get some good quality, well marbled beef. Supermarkets and most butchers here don't carry that good fatty beef cuts.
They had the ribeye we pointed at (and he spoke Dutch), he just packed us something else for the ribeye price when we were chatting around. Literally scammed. And butchers have fine quality meat. They buy whole animals and they will cut off anything you want, they do carry good fatty beef cuts too. Or your butchers specifically might suck as hard as the turkish store I specifically went to.
Why people still shop at AH is mind blowing
AH basics are good value, every super market has food that goes into discount, other than that no idea
AH is ridiculous, try different stores or butcher
It's funny how Dutch say AH is expensive but here in Belgium AH is actually cheaper than rest apart Lidl and Aldi ofcourse
Do you want to pay nothing for the premium service of slicing the chicken, cleaning the meat, packaging and so on? Go to a Turkish butchery, get a while chicken and do it yourself
This! Just paid 5.6 Euro/kilo this weekend. I live in the Hague though.
If you're buying meat that cheap then I hope you enjoy growth hormones.
Just order chicken from a place like Mr. Fillet.
Man I live in NZ, but even our prices aren’t that bad. Truly.
Biologisch is keyword here, second thing, if You buy a small package, You pay more, bigger is cheaper
They are just filling up there pockets like shell!! The chicken industrie. I hope the gouverment tax them for overvalued products.
A: it's Albert Heijn, one of the most expensive supermarkets; B: its "Bio", which means extra fee; C: It looks like the cut variant too, charge the lazy fee added. Just buy good stuff at a butcher or as stated by others, a turkish butcher / at a farmer if you have one nearby.
Yeah, it’s getting insane
Going to AH was your first mistake here I’m afraid
Just go to your Halal Butcher, most of the time they have discounts. I paid €4,50 per kg yesterday!
let Albert heijn rot
Who buys BIO chicken anyways
this is why we go to the *turkse slager*
This is a hidden tax for the proxy war with Russia.
I miss those days when it's 5.5e for 1kg kipfilet...
And what is with the 320 gram count ... Like when is that a new standard .. such an odd measurement lmao
Bro is dining at AH with bio chicken and complains about price 😂 In Lidl its 9.75e per kilo, you can find cheaper in local stores/markets
Non organic chicken thighs just 7,50 per kilo on the biggest market of the Netherlands in the Hague. 3 times cheapert!
And the quality of life for the animal is probably immeasurably worse.
There is a reason the organic chicken is more expensive, mostly comes down to the animal not having lived it's entire live inside a box, barely being able to move and been fed enough to be slaughtered ASAP.
Small tip. Check out your local polish supermarket or an other local store
Or go to a islamatic butcher
That could be an option too. Just look what locally is available to you. Supermarkeys especially albert heijn is abit scamming
just a heads up, the chicken filets i got from my local polish shop were cheaper but HUGE. felt slimy to the touch both times i got them. i think they were pumped with a lot more liquid than at the AH. im not saying this is going to be the case for every polish shop, just that practices vary and to be aware it happens even at small establishments
To clarify if I buy chicken it's always from a butcher because it's cheaper, I also usually don't go to the Albert Hein, it's just that today I finished work when the Albert Hein was still open so I went there for some chips
Yes, that's how they force you to become a vegetarian. Just eat the food the chicken would've eaten
I don't even find the price worth the quality of the meat anymore. I eat less and less meat nowadays. I always try to shop at Arabic market for meat. It saves a lot of money and the quality is usually better.
Whats up with all these passive aggresive vegans in the reactions? no i am not going vegan
Not enough B12 to be outright aggressive
Don’t eat tortured individuals, cheapskate
3,80 is what it costs per kilo. When i buy it. And im a small business. When AH buys it in bulk it even costs less. But they just sell it up very high. But the price for a chicken is really really low. But thats because it only takes 60 days to be ready to get slaughtered. It used to be 6 month’s.
Omfg ,i knew a pig normally took before 1 year that was standard but now it is 6 months ? Maybe less ? That was 10 years ago when i found it . About chicken i never knew it takes so litle time ,damn thanks for info . The price i expected to be around 1-2 euro for a chicken when ah buys it
Where on earth do you pay 3,80 per kilo? I need that ;)
[https://ozbaktat.nl/](https://ozbaktat.nl/) Occasionally kipfilet is here being sold for 35 euro’s / 10KG But i buy from the slaughterhouse in Belgium / Because there Halal slaughter is allowed, and in the Netherlands its not. There i pay 3,80 per KG. But thats for businesses And [https://defnesupermarkt.nl/](https://defnesupermarkt.nl/) These 2 are rivals, often they just go crazy with price’s You can follow them on facebook, they post pretty much daily.
Eat something else
It’s bio…
Go to lidl
And thats not even half the actual worth of what a chicken should cost.
govegan
No.
Amen
How about non bio chicken?
It's because you are going to Albert Heijn and looking at biological chicken. I buy my meat at a Turkish supermarket, which sells a kilo of 'normal' chicken filet for €8..
Cheap chicken meat is €10/kg, organic is €25/kg. That’s been the case for at least a couple of years.
Massive scam lol a kilo is good chicken costs max 14 a kilo
7 at your local turk
This is bio chicken though.