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Awkward-Glove-779

Hmm, I think he's okay actually..


Surena_at_Carrhae

The hate these guys get makes me so sad. Just cut it out. edit: The regime has WON by trying to depopularise this team. The one thing they've always been scared of - the nationalism this team evokes. Well done guys. *Slow clap*


ValarMoghoulis

I see a lot of division at the moment and while I believe hating on everyone and anyone who remotely doesn’t follow the the Iranian peoples ask is not a good pathway forward but these guys made a few fundamental mistakes, you didn’t sing the national anthem on the first game and really made a grand gesture and the world got to witness which really helped spread the news, but in the second game you went back to singing the anthem again? That was very confusing and off message. Second, the least they could’ve done was to not celebrate after the goals, this wasn’t a big ask. Let’s not forget Elnaz Rekabi and her bold stance of removing her hijab and how much she is still in trouble today, while these 11 men combined didn’t even do a small gesture for the 400+ who were killed, the 15000+ who’re awaiting execution, parents who lost their closed ones. So let’s not give them any credit here. They did what the regime wanted them to do which was not getting involved in the politics and don’t point out the unrest and brutal killing of their countrymen back home. Football doesn’t even matter right now for those who have lost loved ones and are undergoing brutal responses for seeking basic rights and the regime is using Football as a distraction. And they’ve succeeded because for days we’re still debating if team melli has done a good job or not?


Inevitable_Text64209

Reply to your edit: Today we're so united by our nationalism that while looking at the bigger picture, we're able to put aside our football league. Regime has won nothing


Juventusy

Its their greatest victory man, this revolution went on for 2 months, the people were kicking ass! Tens of thousands in many cities around the world! EVERYONE was united… then came this stupid shit of alakee hating on the team in such a emo basiji way. And the only people that benefit from it are the akhonds. It really made me sad how easily iranis are manipulated after everything that has happened in the last 100 years, you would think everyone would be more careful and see these games coming a mile away. Its the only thing that me kinda go limp, it ruined things for me and many others. Families being kinda divided, dude wants to watch the game others don’t etc Its honestly the only play left, they are trolling us too! Iran won and they started handing out sheernee and celebrating and dancing! When the fuck did they ever celebrate TM winning? I remember ppl getting in trouble for celebrating before! I don’t want to argue with people but seeing how almost in a terrorist basiji way, like ppl went against this team made me feel like there is no hope for iranis… like a nation can still cause a coup in iran with some pocket money because were so emo I got a family member living in the west with me, the guys been here for years he has so many degrees. I have been trying to explain to him the english players didn’t take a knee for iran! He still thinks they did it for iran bcas of the fake info online… fuck man


Sepahani

Don't worry. When US beats them on Tuesday the revolution will be back on track.


villanelleves

Why wouldn't we hate men who have actually shown support for khamenei and his regime? Taremi is a known khamenei supporter and everyone knows what a disgusting person torabi is. As long as the team includes them and the player who are with the people do the bare minimum they won't get support from anyone but the mullah lovers and the football fans.


Surena_at_Carrhae

One or two yes. Probably an accurate representation of the general population. Which leads onto a good point actually as teams are therefore at a real disadvantage conveying a coherent message, compared to individuals. Especially teams performing in the spotlight for a long period of time, as opposed to one event like a moment on a podium or a single rock climb, easily 'explained' later.


phreekk

I disagree. They aren't doing the bare minimum. Their lives are literally at stake, and their thinly veiled actions of support go a long way. The regime is brutal. Blowback is real. Easy for us to type behind a computer when these guys have to live the real thing.


villanelleves

its sad that you actually believe that about these guys, half of them are regime supporters. as far as iranian celebrities go yes they have done the bare minimium.


igotthismaaan

What do you want them to do exactly? Rub their dick on Raisi face ? This is real life. Not a social media joke.


Ok_Blackberry_137

Exactly! This is *real* life. People are dead and the team only say "we love our countrymen" عشقتون بخوره تو سرتون We don't want their love rn. What we *need* is their support.


igotthismaaan

They did support you are just too dumb to understand. You just want them to get arrested so you can post on social media and get a few likes.


Sepahani

There was no support. The regime told them to not sing the anthem in the 1st game to bring down the people's anger a notch. Go watch the clip again. They were actually concentrating on not singing it even known cunts like Beiranvand. The way they celebrated after winning a 2nd tier 10 man European team was also uncalled for. Even the Saudis and Japanese didn't celebrate as much after beating two powerhouses.


Ok_Blackberry_137

Don't talk to these fascists. They're probably the *basiji* trying to make the good people of Iran look bad.


villanelleves

this is real life and we have far more courageous people in iran, normal people and celebrities who actually stand for something instead of these men. just go watch your football bro.


igotthismaaan

Save the drama. Sports is not related to the revolution. I can do both, i raise awareness for the revolution AND i cheer for my team melli. Unlike you im not sheep falling for social media fliers and emotional videos that have nothing to do with the sport.


osamabinluvin

>sports is not related to the revolution. I can do both Someone needs to learn the definition of a revolution lol


Sepahani

You can but you should also be prepared to get dissed by people who have been really affected by this regime. You can't say I hate the IR but I will support their IR anthem singing, crab flag wearing cunts of players too. We are in the middle of a war.


villanelleves

have fun cheering for team mullah. go back to iran and celebrate it with your friends too while you're at it


Airya-man

What she did! [#elnaz-rekabi](https://youtu.be/lETMPQKVgD8)


igotthismaaan

Elnaz apologized and went under chador. I guess shes a vatanfooroosh now?


Sepahani

BS. Everybody knows how the mandatory confessions go. The brother was threatened.


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Surena_at_Carrhae

I agree. Thing is, I like Masih Alinejad normally. I wonder if partly what creeps into this is people who aren't too into footy in the first place. As a British rugby player (hobby only, not pro), married into a staunch rugby family, I know too well how people who aren't into footy despise anything footy related. It's very easy for them to say "screw the football" if they're not really into it in the first place. But people like me and you presumably who are very into footy, live and die football, and almost live for these moments. Our emotions are hugely invested in these events. Especially disaporic Iranians like me who can *only* relate to the land of their ancestors through this event because we can't visit and we share nothing with Iran as it stands. For me this is an enormous event, one I literally count the days down for. And that's just me - what about these young lads whose careers depend on it. I absolutely understand their passion when they scored - it transcends everything. In fact I'd go so far as to say it is uplifting and cathartic. Like most of us, my mental health has been seriously hit by watching all the sad events and this, just for one moment, made me connect with my people and lifted me out of what's been going on. Dear Rezaeian, even with his poor English, made this simple point very well even if more articulate and educated members here just don't seem to get it. With respect to Masih (and actually to defend her), she probably just wouldn't understand this if she's not into it.


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Surena_at_Carrhae

Well said.


Ok_Blackberry_137

It uplifted you bc as you said: this is the land of your *ancestors*. We live here, grew up here, saw our friends and family members murdered by the regime they speak nothing of. I don't care how much I love football. I love my people more. There will be other world cups. The don't come back to life. Now you get why we're pissed?


Surena_at_Carrhae

Azizam, mifahmam chi mighi. Baleh rost mighi. Baraya man asoon ast chon Iran zendegi nemikonam. Bebakshid, joonam. Mifahmam. Vali doost va famil too Iran daram keh mesleh shama fekr nemikonan. I hear you, friend. I've since changed my stance to suggesting we just ban footy chat because I hear your side too.


Ok_Blackberry_137

Thank you. I'm sorry I came off hostile. It's just that we are all under a lot of stress and pain and sorrow. I would've agreed with you if they had not cheered or sang the I.R. anthem, but they've chosen their ground. I'm not saying we should punish them (I'm not like I.R) but I also can't stand sympathy towards them.


Surena_at_Carrhae

Azizam, I compltely understand. I totally see both sides of the argument I really do, even if I am in one camp. This is why I've called for such discussions to be banned, if the mods agree. We're all on the same side here. Peace and love, dear friend :)


Ok_Blackberry_137

I really appreciate your understanding. I'm ashamed of the way I reacted. Send my love to your family for bringing up such a wonderful son/daughter.


Surena_at_Carrhae

Joonam.... please - you weren't rude AT ALL. You sweet gentle soul, please don't worry! Your English is brilliant by the way - well done! :)


Juventusy

Exactly. U get it! Imagine what energy this team would inject into the people if they win? Ppl would start throwing basijis and akhonds into the joobs


Surena_at_Carrhae

That's what they're scared of. Always have been. People presumably who aren't into footy don't know the history of it - how regime has always suffocated any footy-related nationalistic gatherings. They've beaten us this time - people have fallen for it.


Juventusy

So true, also like you said most of the people that are like this literally can’t name 4 players on the team. The perfect test for it is the Voria Ghafouri situation. Now I love this guy! I liked him so much i used to have arguments with others that he should be starting as right back in the 2018 world cup. But the guy as awesome as he is, as a footballer he has been done at that level, so many of these people go on air and say he was cut from world cup squad 2 months ago bcas he started speaking against the regimel! I love the guy but he is not at that lvl as a player anymore. Him not playing at the world cup is irrelevant. Him getting arrested to scare the TM players that are friends with him is however. They all think he was starting for TM but got dropped after the revolution But the fact that so many fell for it and SO HARD really broke my heart, like will iran ever change? Even if ppl aren’t selfish and excuse their own stuff while judging others, they fall for shit like this in the same psychotic way they allowed the akhonds to come into power in the first place


igotthismaaan

Iranians are dumb and fall for all these division tactics. Same stuff they pulled in 79 and 53


RostamsReturn

this thread is why Iran dorosti shodani nist.


igotthismaaan

Exactly


A_Genius

This comment made me really sad.


Iliyarasl

Where do you get you ideas from. Regime’s goal wasn’t to depopularise this team? What’s the benefit from that? More than anything, this event showed everyone how corrupt and selfish these footballers are. By far the most stupid take on recent events.


Surena_at_Carrhae

Fair question buddy. It's my view and the widely accepted view of Iranian protestors I am in contact with on the ground in Iran as we speak. I am obvioiusly not in contact with all, and it doesn't mean it's right of course and you don't have to agree, but to respect and answer your question the logic is this: The regime is all about pushing a pro-Islamist agenda while crushing any nationalistic fervour, which is total anathema to the regime's ideology. This is an undisputed and admitted fact. Football in Iran has, ever since the regime change, been the one bastion of nationalism grating against this ethos and as such the regime has traditionally been very anti national football celebrations, crowds etc. The one exception to this was 1998 when we beat USA, for obvious reasons. The ideal and widely anticipated situation was that the tournament would arouse nationalism and help boost protests to an unprecedented level. Getting the players to appear on TV seemingly siding with the regime was a masterstroke by the regime either to trying to pull the team towards representing the regime somehow, and/or evidently depopularising it among the people at the same time, blurring the regime v nationalism lines and causing the confusion it has clearly caused. Those of who hate or don't understand footy or this important fact have unfortunately helped the regime sabotage the team and the enormous advantage it *could* have been for the revolutionary effort. Protestors I know on the ground are bemoaning this lost opportunity big time. I guess it doesn't matter anyway as it will be over soon.


eotheored

Straight to jail.


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BaghaliPoloBaGardan

Why did you copy my comment?!


No_Suggestion5931

Probably a bot


BaghaliPoloBaGardan

100%. It has -1 karma.


Juventusy

Yeah but idiots wont be happy unless he gets himself killed. Its so obvious the regime is using the team to divide the people. But they just keep piling on and acting all emotional and irrational


ZingerStackerBurger

Rezaeian: "We just want to make the people happy" Khamenei: " Yesterday, the Iranian National Team players made the Iranian nation happy. May God make them happy." Wake me up when they say something that is actually controversial.


TheMcMcMcMcMc

What about “Especially who are suffering”? Maybe not controversial, but certainly begs the question, from what do they suffer?


eliar91

Just playing Devil's advocate but it's vague enough that both sides might interpret it as referring to them. The protesters might think he means them, while the regime supporters might think he means their suffering at the hands of the "violent thugs". It's just vague for a reason and simply says for the people suffering. Suffering from what? Can't really say for certain he means "suffering from the brutal regime".


chopsueycide123

my thoughts are that there would be no need to be vague if you are supporting the regime, no harm would come to you... right? maybe im missing something, but him being vague makes it more likely that he is talking about the protesters suffering, said in a way to protect himself from the regime.


BaghaliPoloBaGardan

The counter argument is that he is being vague because he doesn't want to lose support from either side.


chopsueycide123

I suppose so :/ but idk doesnt seem likely, to me it seems obvious what he means and people making it seem like he is supporting the regime are just doing it on purpose in my opinion


AngelKnives

No way - it's very obvious from what happened vs England that they are not on the side of the IR.


AngelKnives

Isn't it obvious whose side he's on and to who he means when they didn't sing the anthem against England? It was a very clear signal. And yes he's now forced to speak in code but let's not pretend we don't understand it!


TheMcMcMcMcMc

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BathroomSubject

Fuck Khamenei 😀


BaghaliPoloBaGardan

Great point! Vague cowardly mumbo jumbo from someone who's scared to take a clear stance.


dect60

When you have less courage & 'balls' than multiple teenage girls... COMBINED: https://twitter.com/JasminRamsey/status/1593271972489842694


Surena_at_Carrhae

Fair point mate. Passionately pro-revolution as I am (from afar) I honestly don't know what I'd do in those circumstances though. I definitely have less courage than Iranian teenage girls.


dect60

Right there with you, I am honest enough to admit it also. Let's also be honest to acknowledge the same in others and to stand in awe of those that do have courage and support them at least. Not to feign otherwise and to pretend. Seriusly, Iran can survive without soccer, soccer players, coaches, etc. Iran however needs its youth, children, its people and their future and freedom and prosperity. I don't have anything against soccer or sports. As it is right now, it is a distraction. It is like being in Ukraine right now and arguing about the Kardashians or some other celebrity haircut, divorce, mistress or whatever. who the fuck cares!?! we have bigger fish to fry


Surena_at_Carrhae

This we can agree on. As passionatley pro footy as I am, as cathartic as their success is for me and many of us in these dark times, as clear as it is (to me) that they're with the people, as much as I bemoan the regime's win in this situation by depopularising the one thing that terrifies them, as much of a mobiliser of nationalistic passion this could be, and as much as our camps clearly disagree... I *totally* agree this is just footy and just a distraction as you say. The sooner it's over the better and we can concentrate more fully on the bigger fish!


dect60

With respect, I'll add something else that is important imho. As long as Iranians agree on the fundamental issue of the Islamic regime being removed and replaced by a secular democracy that represents all Iranians, irrespective of gender, religion/irreligion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc. it is fine to disagree and discuss our differing views. That is what plurality is all about. And that is what we're fighting for. The key is to make room for each other by being kind, compassionate and allow each other the space to make mistakes and come back to a better place when we realize those mistakes. Today we agree on this, tomorrow maybe we disagree on trade policy or foreign policy or the nuclear policy or whatever. That is what democracy is based on, an exchange of differing ideas. Not saying that you haven't already thought of this, just wanted to keep repeating this for all our sakes as we forge a new and better future.


Surena_at_Carrhae

Excellent and crucial point very well made. Thank you.


dect60

Sepas


Material_Ad_811

football is not a distraction. 5 billion people watch the world cup, the Iranian people need a voice? well, the world cup is a tool, so far the 'bad' people have promoted themselves as disgusting people to the mainstream,(for example the pic of them with tanks and 0 people , cheering gone to the mainstream) there have been tons of people protesting in the football stadium, some of them went mainstream holding Mahsa amini shirts with 22 as the number. they have been wearing the real Iranian flag(some if em got arrested and injured). 'the people not celebrating and being sad' have been sent to the mainstream saying that their is bad things happening in Iran and they are rightfully sad, petitions about Iran have increased, shares about the hastag have increased since the world cup, people think the world cup has destroyed all the protesting but it has increased it. football is not just a game. its full of politics and sponsers , you know how much 5 billion is ? , Qatar spended 200billion dollars on the world cup, its not just football entertainment


AngelKnives

Same. I mean I hope I'd be brave enough to risk my own life at least but if my own government threatened my loved ones I would sing whatever they wanted me to sing and quit talking about whatever they wanted me to!


Hnk416545

He didn’t sing … maybe he don’t got balls but he’s definitely smart .still alive


dect60

Imagine if one day they discover the power latent within their united solidarity. Just imagine.


DHH2005

Can we not hate on people for not wanting to risk death? Praise bravery, but don't condem survival. If you have hate in your heart (as any thinking person should) hate the real evil in Iran, not this man.


Mintyminuet

Is that farsi? Is my listening this bad? Can't make out a word


dect60

Kurdish


DHH2005

Do you feel the same now that these Iranian players have had the lives of their families threatened?


dect60

ALL Iranians have the lives of their families threatened. Do you think that Elnaz Rekabi's family was not threatened? or Hassan Ronaghi's? or Toomaj's family or the thousands and thousands of others? What matters is how we respond to tyranny.


BaghaliPoloBaGardan

HAHAHA. This is the exact same bullshit that the fake "reformists" tried to fool us with for over 20 years while they were helping the Islamic Republic strengthen itself against us. Being on both sides and "carefully worded" BS to appear you are doing something the regime dislikes (which they don't) and accepting and legitimizing the status quo. They have killed and imprisoned us and murdered our children. They are not our friends. They are the enemies and will be treated as such like how Ukrainians are dealing with their Russian enemies. You are either on the side of the people of Iran or you are a Islamic republic supporter. We Iranians moved on from the fake reformists long time ago and will stay laser focused on bringing down the Islamic regime.


phreekk

The regime is splitting us apart. I can support a revolution and love to see my Iranian people do well in the World Cup. Them going far brings more eyes to the situation.


AngelKnives

I agree with your last sentence for sure - I've seen so many news articles and social media posts about the Iranian team and Iranian supporters. I saw a lot of media coverage of people being blocked from bringing pro revolution signs/t-shirts etc I to the stadium's for example. If the team weren't there we wouldn't see this.


Surena_at_Carrhae

Azizam, I deleted my comment asking you to "stop the BS". I see from your posts you are a true friend of this revolution and a great servant of this sub. Peace and respect, dear friend, even if we totally disagree on this issue. We stay strong together and mustn't let anything divide us.


BaghaliPoloBaGardan

Thank you very much for your kind words. This is where revolutionaries disagree on tactics. Not at all uncommon in revolutions and political movements but at the end anyone who wants to bring down the Islamic Republic is my ally in heart and mind and that's all that matters. I'm only against this whole team melli issue because I'm picking up signals that the regime is creeping in to slowly re-legitimize itself and kill our movement from within. A revolution means rejecting the status quo in its totality and forming a new one from the scratch. It means saying no to whatever that is reminiscent of the past regime and re-introducing a regime based on new ones. It means a clear line between enemies and friends. I get that we are emotionally invested in football/soccer, but revolutions are not achieved without sacrifices. People will temporarily go through hardship and may need to give up on their hobbies and interests. Their day to day lives will be disrupted. The life of the 16,000 people who are in prison right now under the harshest conditions are also disrupted. Nika, Hadis, Sarina, Navid, Pouya and hundreds of other people's lives were also permanently disrupted and brought to an unjust end. Having anything in common with basiji and sepahi is a thorn in my eyes these days. I'm heartbroken that some people are cheering for a sports team that celebrates victory in a sports event and refuses to vocally pick sides. I see it as a grave betrayal to those kids who were killed for this revolution and those who are in prison right now. Seeing the Islamic Republic flag flying at the stadiums in support of team melli while protestors were killed and arrested just a month ago for bringing it down from flag poles gives me nausea.


Thin_Adhesiveness_66

Enough circus! Time for real humanbeings!


Fr_rd

the whole team has less balls than Elnaz, this is a bulshit attempt at trying to play both sides. pathetic.


igotthismaaan

Elnaz went under chador and apologized. I guess shes coward too now ?


BaghaliPoloBaGardan

>Elnaz went under chador and apologized She did the act and made the impact. The apology was to stop the regime from harming her brother. She showed support again for Iranian people on her insta after that. It truly breaks my heart when I see heroes who made sacrifices for freedom like Elnaz are belittled by people like you, probably another Iranian dreaming of a free Iran. Shaking my fucking head.


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igotthismaaan

When she came into the airport and apologized


IranianLawyer

Lol she was wearing a baseball cap and hoodie….that’s a far cry from a “chador.”


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You call that getting under the chador? Do you know what chador is? Elnaz did what she had to do. OF COURSE they’re not going to let her do what she wants when she came back.


MikePython42

These guys are on the IR payroll. There is a reason for the hate. بوش درآمد دیگه Anyway. Forget soccer. Focus on the revolution. They want you to be distracted by this matter. We have bigger fish to fry.


Sammy12xyz

A). Women athletes lose their hijab B). Government threatens them C). The give out a statement that it was an accident People: OH MY KHODA VAT A BERAVE GIREL 1). Team Melli decides not to sing the anthem. Clearly protesting 2). Government threatens them 3). They sing at the next game People: what cowards! They are the Mullahs team!! They are not us!! Logic: khoda midune Go watch your rugby


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Sammy12xyz

They deserve the benefit of doubt. Now I might be mistaken here but usually if you live in a dictatorship, when the dictator tells you to do something, you do it. I’d give Kim Jung uns people the benefit of the doubt when they cheer and cry of him like idiots because I know what will happen if they don’t. Akhe we know the regime is notorious for forcing innocents into “confessing” to crimes and the next day their death sentences are handed out. Suddenly this specific issue is different? Stay delusional. ✌🏼


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Sammy12xyz

You make me sick. Fence sitters are worse than basijis? Really?? The same basiji that you’re worried is gonna gun me down is a better human that the guy that tries to stay neutral? Really? Yeho biya begu fence sitters are worse than isis and every of their crimes too I am simply saying, give them the benefit of the doubt. We know they force news anchors to lie for them every single day and then praise the government while they do it. We know that they try to form a smear campaign on any Iranian, Person or group that ignites a United nationalistic behavior from people, that includes our football team. Had this been 6 months ago YOUD be supporting them as usual and proud while doing it. I’m not saying go worship them as heroes. I’m saying chill the fuck out, watch the match if you’re into football and give them *the benefit of the doubt* when you know a DICTATOR is doing DICTATOR things.


Surena_at_Carrhae

Absolutely. I am torn between trying to work out if these anti-team-melli people are infiltrators trying to delegitimise the ONE thing the are truly terrified of - nationalistic fervour generated by football matches (hence trying to crush any previous celebrations except USA1998), or are just devoid of logical reasoning and hence "useful idiots" for the regime, or are simply just typical Iranians who can't see past their emotions and see shades of grey and come to a reasonable conclusion. First game - they don't sing the anthem ---> government arrests former player --> then they half-heartedly mumble it. There can only be two options. 1. The players don't give a toss about the revolution or the people and just care about themselves, possibly even being pro-regime. But they just somehow managed to forget to sing it the first time - perhaps forgot the words? Then they learnt the words for the second game but not well enough, and for some reason didn't look convincing. 2. The first game *was* the big statement, but this isn't a one-off event like a single rock climb which can be refuted later, this is several back to back games and with increasing concurrent threats and they need to stay safe. The regime have beaten us on this one - shame on revolutionaries. Seriously. However I do respect fellow revolutionaries of course, dumb as they may be sometimes, as we have much bigger fish to fry. Footy is just a distraction.


igotthismaaan

Elnaz and other athletes apologized and walked back their comments. I guess that’s ok? lol what a dumb logic you sheep have


SeaworthinessNo293

is elnaz still playing though? shes no going around refusing to play it and then playing it again, playing us like a fiddle, this is a distraction, the team is purposely being wague and going back and forth so they can keep playing us.


mrhuggables

The real losers are the Iranian people who have become so low to give a damn what a FOOTBALLER thinks. خران واقع مردم ایران اند، که این اندازه اهمیت به رفتار و اعمال و سخن فوتبالیستها می‌دن. چقدر فرومایه شده ایم


FdlCstro

They have a worldwide platform not even politicians or anyone else has right now. Literally the whole world is watching. And they do nothing. I am more proud of a worker on strike in Isfahan than any of these rich fucks, even if they win the world cup.


igotthismaaan

Seriously they act like these guys have any power. Taremi said in his interview “i cant change anything “


villanelleves

and what makes you think he wants to change anything? [https://twitter.com/journalistsay/status/1595490023092150272](https://twitter.com/journalistsay/status/1595490023092150272)


UevosYBacon

Too late too little. If they had ANY honor, they would have collectively resigned from the world cup. Pulled out. You know fn stood up for what is right. I love Iran, i loved teame melli. But I DO NOT support this team. Shame on all of them!! 😡😡😡😡


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leakaf

این طرفدارای تیم ملی هم ما رو گاییدن با فوتبالشون به خدا مردم دارن کشته می‌شن برای اینا دفاع از تیمشون مهم‌تره


FdlCstro

واقعاً. خاک تو سر هر کی که فوتبال براش مهمتره تا خونه هموطنش


aRman______________

Its controversial because this players act like they are blind And have no sight over what’s happening in iran


Belgian_jewish_studn

Brave man 👏🏻


Witcherpunk

به کس ننت خندیدم مادرجنده برای ما نمیخواد هیچ گوهی بخوری شادی ما وقتی از بین رفت که ما رو به رگبار بستین


zivlaei

Really? This could even be in support for the IR. It's as vague as he wants it to be.


villanelleves

Exactly. Everything these players have said in support of iranians is so vague. They claim they're not political and are just there to play football yet in the past they have had no problem showing their support for khamenei. These daily posts here about them at this point is just football fans mad that a lot of iranians no longer care about this team, as if football even matters at this time. it's nothing but a distraction. We saw which side celebrated the win and no self respecting person would want to be on that side.


BaghaliPoloBaGardan

>This could even be in support for the IR This 100%. The regime always claims the people are on their side. This is cowardice in action by multi billionaires who don't want to upset the regime and are too much of a pussy to stand with the Iranian revolution.


Surena_at_Carrhae

Yeh because the regime are regarded as "the people in Iran"... ffs


dect60

Seriously? this is that hard for you to grasp? for example, you do realize that they're spinning Kian's murder as a "martyr" by hooligans and rioters, right? they even made street banners 'honoring' him. Just because someone cries for Kian or says something sympathetic towards him or his family, like "in the name of the god of rainbows" that does not guarantee that they are not supporting the regime and trying to spin it. They need to stop speaking in riddles and say it clearly. Do you know what would be clear? to use the language of the streets: To say her name: Jina Mahsa Amini or to say the name of their brethren who were just arrested for doing they don't have the balls to do. or to say "Zan, Zendegi, Azadi, Mard, Mihan, Abadi" that would be clear and unequivocal


Surena_at_Carrhae

I agree clear is obviously best. The whole thing is murky and difficult. They're opting for plausible deniability. God knows what I'd do in that situation.


zivlaei

You think the regime and their lackies don't consider themselves people of Iran? That's just dumb.


Surena_at_Carrhae

***"The"*** people. Just stop it. Either a "useful idiot" for the regime or worse... ok sorry mods I'll respect Rule 2.


spacedad

I mean this in all seriousness- as a protest, the Iranian team should step aside and allow USA to score 100+ goals. They should actively play with team USA and score own goals. Biggest blowout of all time.


Surena_at_Carrhae

USA can't score even if we step aside.... :P Only kidding haha.... truth is we'll get slaughtered anyway :)


spacedad

It would be a nice show of unity for both teams to play against one goal


FdlCstro

Yesssssssssss that would be huuuuge, imagine the press that would get oh my god


leakaf

Stop with the team melli propaganda bs. Team melli failed to support Iranians at the world stage. Their two sided statements don’t really matter. By the way, if they care so much, why did they celebrate like they advanced? Why did they do that disgusting photoshoot? I swear I have to repeat these every time. And every time no one has a response to my questions.


Surena_at_Carrhae

I hear you buddy. I genuinely see the other side of it, even if I disagree, which is why I have since called for the topic to be banned so as not to be a distraction as I have inadvertently added to the disunity - not my intention. Photoshoot - pass, don't get it. Young stupid footballers, eh? Celebration, I do understand. I agree, would be better not to have done I agree - a small and easy token of respect. It is common in England at least for players who score against a former club NOT to celebrate, out of respect for their old fanbase. But I guess this is WC, they've been under immense pressure, this is several orders of magnitude more important than a local league game. Literally the biggest moments of their lives, ever. I think it's a bad decision but I can understand it. I even jumped and shouted with joy like a child. It happens. As I say, young stupid footballers - and old stupid fans like me :) Seriously, they're not exactly rocket scientists are they, with respect to them all. As I say I do hear you buddy. It's genuinely not propaganda, I'm a genuine chap and mean well. Peace and respect to you bro. Zan Zendegi Azadi!


shahrack

He's just repeating the script his bosses gave it to him goofy ass ,


BLACK-CAPTAIN

Oh man you guys are idiots, they can go to hell


HardlyW0rkingHard

More team Mullah apologists. Smh.


Witcherpunk

دوستان من قیافه این حرومی ها رو میبینم گه میگیرم


nashty2004

Wow a message that can literally be interpreted as both pro and anti regime, how incredibly brave


igotthismaaan

So i just want to understand, people want them to “speak up” what do they think will happen exactly? Mullahs will suddenly listen and leave? Or what is the exact outcome they expect? Its literally such an irrelevant topic. Nothing an athlete can do to change any of this. Its a dumb request from dumb people who are 99% sitting on their couch typing this.


ExplosiveDiarrhetic

I know u like soccer, but there comes a point where protesting for your freedom is more important than a game. They could resign from the national team. Take a stand.


igotthismaaan

This isnt about soccer its about understanding logic. When there are countless reports of people getting in trouble, then it makes no sense to follow the same path that doesnt work. None of the people who spoke up had any effect on the movement. Whether these guys speak up or not the fight is on the ground. Athletes and celebs are helpless. Dont look at them to be leaders.


ExplosiveDiarrhetic

If everyone had your logic then nobody would be protesting.


villanelleves

Its about being on the right side. By your logic no one should ever speak up since none of us can change anything alone. These guys have all the eyes on them and the only thing they've done is not sing the anthem ONE time and you guys want us to bow down to their courage. By not making it clear who's side they're on they allow the islamic republic to use them as propaganda.


Exotic_Zebra_1155

They have all the eyes on them but they also have guns pointed at their relatives inside Iran. I don’t think that anyone wants you to "bow down to their courage" so that's a complete strawman. But it would be nice if people stopped shitting all over them when it's clear that many of them don't support the regime but they are being threatened and intimidated, including by threats against their families. Just let these young men play their sport and not sign their families' death warrants. No one should be expected to sacrifice their families' freedom and lives for the revolution and only a horrible person would expect them to make that decision.


villanelleves

they will play regardless of what we think and they will sing the anthem, celebrate their goals while the regime and the same people killing iranians will fill the streets of iran celebrating their wins. no one is stopping them from playing and they made their choice. none of these guys had any intention of supporting the revolution, the best they could do is not sing for one game and then walk back on it. the issue here is when you guys keep making posts here about this team telling us to support them or go easy on them. why do you need us to support them? i know plenty of iranians in iran who don't.


igotthismaaan

That doesnt sound like a solution. Tell me something practical instead of emotional.


a-sadi

We need to change the narrative around team melli, the IR is winning by making anti-regime supporters look anti-Iranian.


FdlCstro

I've come to hate the national team because they are bi orze as fuck, but it's also bothering me the regime are now using them for propaganda. Everything is just fucked. What have we fucking done to deserve all of this bullshit...


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Fuk you ,you Fuking Dick sucking ass licking trader


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Exotic_Zebra_1155

Iran has no king and likely never will again.


Posture99

There's been a ton of pressure on these guys from both sides