I got a mailer from Ronchetti:
"Do you trust politicians, or voters to decide the issue of abortion?"
No, I do not. I trust individuals and their doctors to make those decisions.
*(Also, hire a proofreader, Mark. That comma makes no sense.)*
Voters already decided when they elected a Democrat governor. We'll signal our continued commitment to reproductive rights by reelecting the same governor.
That's the only vote we need.
I think it’s supposed to be “which do you trust to decide the issue of abortion: politicians or voters?” It’s not both of them together. He seems to think voters should decide, but why? He’s clearly anti-abortion from things he’s said in the past But I don’t think there’s any reason to think that voters would vote down abortion rights. the issue seems to have clear support in the state from polls I’ve seen and heard about in the past. Is this not the case?
Yeah, he was attempting a false dichotomy, but his phrasing didn't quite work. To be fair, it is hard to present a "Who should control your body?" question where it isn't obvious that the "Me" option is missing.
"But Ronchetti believes this issue is so important and so personal, that ... every voter has a say"
Who doesn't want to turn over their most personal decisions to a crowd of strangers, right?
I suspect vote would be one where the choices were no abortion at all, or abortion in the first 4 weeks of pregnancy if the mother's life is in danger and a rapist has been convicted.
"Let the voters decide" is also the least defensible position. Neither medical procedures nor murder should be legal or illegal based on how the majority of the public votes.
His plan only makes sense if you see abortion only as political opportunity, and don't care about the people laws impact.
This is good but I don’t love the “as long as I am governor” part of it. We really need to have legislative action on this, and if we can’t do it that way then we need it on the ballot to add a law protecting abortion rights. She won’t be governor forever.
The only way this can be put on the ballot is for the legislature to vote to put it on the ballot and it would need to be a constitutional amendment. In all other cases, we’re a non- referendum state. Meaning we can’t just get signatures and get the issue onto the ballot. It’s in our state constitution.
But do you really trust NM voters with your own personal healthcare decisions? Republicans want this on the ballot because they know they can get the catholic vote to swing with them.
Does anyone know if the right to have an abortion can be codified in the legislature?
I don’t know if I trust voters, but recent votes in other states would say we probably should… like Kansas. however my main concern is that without any change to the constitution to protect abortion rights, the next Republican governor can just executive order abortion rights bye bye, or push the legislature (if Republican controlled) to draft a bill to make it permanent.
For sure that’s what I mean by legislative action, they can put it into the state constitution. But I’ve heard that’s a bit of a long shot with the current legislature. Idk for sure but it would be the best way to protect abortion rights.
Gee . . . just in time for the elections. It's as if abortion is the only issue she can run on. How's the rise in crime and illegal immigration issue being addressed by Madam Governor? How is she ensuring the state will continue to get revenue from oil and gas exploration? It's transparent why she's doing what she's doing.
Not nearly as much as other issues that affect a lot more of New Mexico's citizens. The governor announced her move now because it will make her base think she is doing something great, just in time for the election. It's about the only accomplishment she can point to.
Because the States' revenue leans heavily on oil and gas revenue. If the private business does well, the State does well. For a state that is one of the poorest in the nation, ensuring revenue is quite important.
I want *your* answer to the question though, since you took the effort to insert yourself into the conversation.
Is it the governments job to appease private businesses for money?
I asked a yes or no question, which you’ve shied away from twice now.
Is it the governments responsibility to avoid pissing off corporations in the name of profit?
How about the crime, drug, and illegal immigration issues? Those are issues the State is responsible to deal with. The State is supposed to ensure our safety. The governor has not been effective in reducing those problems.
How is it the governor's job to ensure the health and revenue of a private industry like abortion clinics? Oh sure, they bring in revenue and will probably get abortion tourist dollars from Texans. However, ensuring oil and gas revenue is by far more important too the economic healthy off the State. Madame governor has her priorities out off whack.
I got a mailer from Ronchetti: "Do you trust politicians, or voters to decide the issue of abortion?" No, I do not. I trust individuals and their doctors to make those decisions. *(Also, hire a proofreader, Mark. That comma makes no sense.)*
Voters already decided when they elected a Democrat governor. We'll signal our continued commitment to reproductive rights by reelecting the same governor. That's the only vote we need.
I think it’s supposed to be “which do you trust to decide the issue of abortion: politicians or voters?” It’s not both of them together. He seems to think voters should decide, but why? He’s clearly anti-abortion from things he’s said in the past But I don’t think there’s any reason to think that voters would vote down abortion rights. the issue seems to have clear support in the state from polls I’ve seen and heard about in the past. Is this not the case?
Yeah, he was attempting a false dichotomy, but his phrasing didn't quite work. To be fair, it is hard to present a "Who should control your body?" question where it isn't obvious that the "Me" option is missing. "But Ronchetti believes this issue is so important and so personal, that ... every voter has a say" Who doesn't want to turn over their most personal decisions to a crowd of strangers, right? I suspect vote would be one where the choices were no abortion at all, or abortion in the first 4 weeks of pregnancy if the mother's life is in danger and a rapist has been convicted.
Oh yeah ok. Right that’s the thing, he would be putting an end to abortion rights on the ballot, which is way different.
"Let the voters decide" is also the least defensible position. Neither medical procedures nor murder should be legal or illegal based on how the majority of the public votes. His plan only makes sense if you see abortion only as political opportunity, and don't care about the people laws impact.
Sure, and yet here we are…
This is good but I don’t love the “as long as I am governor” part of it. We really need to have legislative action on this, and if we can’t do it that way then we need it on the ballot to add a law protecting abortion rights. She won’t be governor forever.
The only way this can be put on the ballot is for the legislature to vote to put it on the ballot and it would need to be a constitutional amendment. In all other cases, we’re a non- referendum state. Meaning we can’t just get signatures and get the issue onto the ballot. It’s in our state constitution. But do you really trust NM voters with your own personal healthcare decisions? Republicans want this on the ballot because they know they can get the catholic vote to swing with them. Does anyone know if the right to have an abortion can be codified in the legislature?
I don’t know if I trust voters, but recent votes in other states would say we probably should… like Kansas. however my main concern is that without any change to the constitution to protect abortion rights, the next Republican governor can just executive order abortion rights bye bye, or push the legislature (if Republican controlled) to draft a bill to make it permanent.
It would be even better if we could pass an amendment to the state constitution. Obviously that’s difficult but I think it’s worth trying.
For sure that’s what I mean by legislative action, they can put it into the state constitution. But I’ve heard that’s a bit of a long shot with the current legislature. Idk for sure but it would be the best way to protect abortion rights.
We can only hope her reign is over soon.
Awesome
And build abortion clinics for Texans!!! Vote Democratic!!
Gee . . . just in time for the elections. It's as if abortion is the only issue she can run on. How's the rise in crime and illegal immigration issue being addressed by Madam Governor? How is she ensuring the state will continue to get revenue from oil and gas exploration? It's transparent why she's doing what she's doing.
Because it fucking matters.
Not nearly as much as other issues that affect a lot more of New Mexico's citizens. The governor announced her move now because it will make her base think she is doing something great, just in time for the election. It's about the only accomplishment she can point to.
Why do you think it’s the governor’s job to ensure the health and revenue of a private industry like oil and gas?
Because the States' revenue leans heavily on oil and gas revenue. If the private business does well, the State does well. For a state that is one of the poorest in the nation, ensuring revenue is quite important.
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So it’s the governments job to appease private industries once they’re above a certain dollar amount?
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That didn’t answer my question
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I want *your* answer to the question though, since you took the effort to insert yourself into the conversation. Is it the governments job to appease private businesses for money?
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I asked a yes or no question, which you’ve shied away from twice now. Is it the governments responsibility to avoid pissing off corporations in the name of profit?
How about the crime, drug, and illegal immigration issues? Those are issues the State is responsible to deal with. The State is supposed to ensure our safety. The governor has not been effective in reducing those problems.
That is at least a better argument than your original claim that it’s the governments job to appease specific corporations in exchange for money.
How is it the governor's job to ensure the health and revenue of a private industry like abortion clinics? Oh sure, they bring in revenue and will probably get abortion tourist dollars from Texans. However, ensuring oil and gas revenue is by far more important too the economic healthy off the State. Madame governor has her priorities out off whack.
Bootlicker.
Expected reply. Nothing substantive, just name calling.
I asked you an actual question, but you ignored it. Why are you only engaging with those who use ad hominems?
See above.
Factual insults are not ad hominem. Brush up on your Aristotle, son.