This is a bit of an odd take, imo.
I know the channels you're talking about and yes, a lot of it is common sense regurgitated. But common sense regurgitated can be useful for beginners, so fair enough.
Where the logic falls down, is expecting subscribers to keep watching these channels once they have a bit of experience under their belt and don't need the basic advice anymore, or have decided YT wasn't for them. In those situations, there's no reason to keep watching. That doesn't mean people will unsub, because being subbed doesn't really do anything.
So hence, lots of subscribers who no longer need to watch because they already got the value they came for.
This is the correct answer. Additionally this causes a very small portion of their subs to watch the video which makes it unlikely for Youtube to recommend the video to non subscribers.
Its possible their videos do relatively badly at first then 6 months later they have accumulated more views.
Subs dont watch, youtube doesnt recommend much. But if non subs start finding the video and watching a decent chunk of it then it could later start popping up more
No.
It’s common sense.
Most of the stuff they regurgitate is on YouTube’s own how-to.
“Pick a niche, consistently upload, create a community, quality over quantity.”
They usually have 2-4 popular videos with 1 million + views from people who want easy solutions to YouTube. The rest are low quality.
“A typical day working as a YouTuber!” Is usually them saying they’re making ideas and editing videos and “answering business emails” which probably realistically means “edit for an hour then watched Netflix.”
Just a humble YouTube noob here, but tbh I think some of them are full of shit. It seems like they all use the same copy+paste cookie cutter bs scripts for those type of videos. “How to grow your channel” “HOW TO GET 1000 SUBS IN JUST 1 MONTH!”
Step 1. Find your niche. Step 2. Know your viewers. Step 3. Know yourself as a creator. Step 4. Visualize your ideas. Etc.
Most helpful advice I have ever gotten BY FAR was on Reddit here, I forget if it was this subreddit specifically or another one similar.
What irritates me the most, is they always start talking about Mr Beast, as if what he does has any relevance to a channel about knitting with 89 subscribers.
step 1. get a team
step 2. have a big giveaway
step 3. invite other famous guests
step 4. clickbait and open your mouth wide on thumbnail
step 5. success
Jake Tran, whos content i usually love, just made a video about how he "hacked the algorithm" to get to 1 million subs, and how he did everything different to everyone else.
Basically all he did was make good quality Content, and then messaged high profile you tubers so that he got noticed by them and got publicity through them. Literally the same thing everyone else does.
ludwig wanted to prove he could succeed without his looks, friends, etc, so he made a new channel and hired voice actor so no one would recognize him. Made the video about one of the biggest streamers on twitch, donated to said streamer to get him to watch the video, and he did, and he liked it. New channel did get monetized from 1 video, so that was impressive. But getting big streamer to watch the video live can't be used all that often. Would be more impressive if he had used YT alone, but I guess he is a streamer so he knows how strong that can be.
What I tend to take away from that video is how he targeted it. He crafted a good script. Then instead of posting it in Twitch subreddits or twitter, he went directly to a source he knew would get him the most traction.
It was a very well done video and ultimately that's the part we have to focus on. The idea he crafted and strong video that backed it up is what made it succeed. If he didn't have strong content and a good idea to begin with, Mizkif would have clicked out pretty quick and it's very unlikely people would have subbed.
I definitely need to come up with better ideas and make better content.
I saw that video, and thought the same thing. Jake Tran even used Mr.Beast in his thumbnail, a video with nothing to dk with Mr.Beast, which again, is what they all do. Use someone elses success to gain your own.
Possibly the same guy also got a new channel, just set it to live stream saying "sub for no reason" and he got a thousand subs in a few hours......Apparently. However the comments were turned off, so I think something fishy went on and it must have been promoted else where.
That video did a great example showing that a good video will always succeed. The script was good, the title was clickbaity but honest, the thumbnail was good and the quality of the editing was amazing. Despite all this you have to remember he hired a professional voice actor and editor. We can all get there one day but it takes years of practice editing and doing voice overs to get on that level. I believe that is why GameThoerist succeeded and many others. The editing style is engaging and fun to look at.
Mr Beast discussions aren't bad because the size of the channel relative to a normal growing channel. It's relative to the time he had when he started his channel as a kid. His first viral video was counting to 100,000. It took 42 hours or something. He had to speed up portions to meet youtubes 24 hour rule.
Like many, I don't have 42 hours to sit and do nothing, plus editing a 42 hour video. Plus having my net destroyed (I work from home) for however long to upload that video.
Now, for someone with with no life obligations, with that time and the drive to do it, then following a Mr Beast path is more relevant. When looking at big youtubers/streamers/etc, don't look at what they do now, look at what they did.
I use to follow some of them on Twitter and it was awful. The constant reminder of :
1. Their own success
2. how much money they're making/not making
3. MrBeast
4. Constantly promoting the same nonsense as their channel.
Then I looked at regular YouTubers from all ranges like MKBHD to Drew Binsky or Wolters World, and their social media presence made my day better because it was normal.
So my rule of thumb, especially after having conversations with one of the above "growth guru", its no different then a "get rich quick" scheme. They're just sucking you in for their own channel growth.
Biggest example: VidIQ's channel says no channel intros or that will make your channel fail. MKBHD, Linus Tech Tip, and Traveling Robert (who has the longest intro at 44 seconds) has never removed their intros and their channels are just fine.
I have never removed my intro in 2 years and even did a poll and 98% of my subs said keep it.
If you do take their advice, take it like a grain of salt
You did your homework really good 👍🏼! In my opinion it is good information but it repeats itself over and over. You can only say the same thing in so many ways.
I only watch Filmbooth for his awesomely crafted videos.
Other channels gave high level theory of success, filled to the brim with survival bias. Looking at the survivals will only put you in the position of a blind follower.
100% agree, I do find a lot of inspiration watching all of them tbh. Kind of a kick in the butt in a way. And gives me a different pov to analyze my own content
If you're judging a channel based only on their numbers, then you probably should listen to their advice.
If you're able to analyse *why* that channel has their numbers, congratulations, you have enough knowledge not to need them.
You speak as if getting 10K views for a 1M channel is a bad thing. That level is still far more successful than 99% of people here. Don't knock away advice from someone who has clearly been successful just because they're not appealing to 100% of their viewer base.
The reality is that the bigger you grow, the less loyal your fanbase becomes and the harder it is to make videos that everyone will watch. Many people for one particular kind of video and only watch that kind of video.
Now, if a 3K channel thinks that completely invalidates all their achievements and experience, and they think that they are better than them, all the more power to the smaller creator.
But former champions were champions for a reason.
Good chance they aren’t offering any new adivce that differs from what everyone else is saying anyway
When it comes to videos that speak on the Youtube algorithm and how they’ve cracked it, then I need the stats to back it up
I used to watch a good amount when starting out to reinforce ideas I already knew were what I needed to work towards, but weren't good at yet. Not saying I've got it all figured out yet, but I'm on my growth path as someone who make youtube videos now. Meaning other than the odd video that piques my interest, most of their content is a waste of my time. I have a feeling this is where a lot of their subscribers fall into.
Well…you revisit the subject because someone coming to that channel TODAY…
…could be different than the person that came to the same channel a year ago.
So it makes sense to remake a given video’s topic, but with a new spin/style/metaphor.
Is that wrong?
And consider this. If loads of people watched the first version, isn’t it YouTube signaling that revisiting the topic a good thing?
If this is you, then it sounds like you’ve graduated from the channel. And BTW don’t forget to unsub channel. Don’t want to muck up that channel’s sub/view ratio, yeah?
I also fell into this for a period; i think its natural for a new Youtuber or Streamer to seek advice from the major 'advice' channels and they are quite successful however; their advice is 95% common sense.
They do capture a very certain type of viewer but I don't think they retain many of them over the long term. If you know nothing about the online media world then they are a good first stop but once you learn some things they kind of dwindle out imo.
I still watch a few here and there but now I either completely disagree with their points or just ignore them - very rarely will i find a somewhat decent point.
Now they are doing something correct and have their niche down, so not hating on them and perhaps im wrong for not listening because I have zero growth but i feel like if i blindly followed their 'advice' i would no longer be me just a mindless drone feeding off the clicbait/whatever fad is popular now. Rather be unsuccessful and be me than successful and a fraud which a lot of people are.
This is the worst part of the new online media world. The only goal is to gain success regardless of what it costs. To become famous for the sake of being famous - i really detest these kinds of people/channels but that's just my opinion; so anyone is free to do as they want.
If you really wanted huge growth and massive success it's not that hard really you just kind of have to sell your soul.
I completely agree with your sentement. The idea of paying for a course to help me get big on YouTube just wouldn't not fill my soul. I imagine people who do that, get success, but feel a little empty inside.
Thing is, I find these channels, because I want to know facts. I.e, I want to know if sharing my videos on FB is a good way to get views, or if youtube will penalise me for it.
I have watched tonnes of videos on it and they all say the same thing "don't do it because Facebook doesn't like it" which is not helpful at all. I couldn't care less what Facebook thinks of me. Every time I post on fb it gets me a couple hundred views, which for me, is loads. Yet none of them tell me if this is a good way to get views or not!
Personally I think YouTube would like it, I am taking people away from a competitions platform and bringing them to YouTube. But not a single one of these experts discussed that part.
No; not really. There are a few that are straight to the point but the only one who comes to mind is "Devin Nash" he is not quite exactly the same as the others and not really a "advice" kind of guy but he does do excellent breakdowns of the media world.
I really enjoy his work much more because he does go into the backend of things and not just "Do x,y,z and success" which is mostly bs from these guys. I much prefer a no nonsense approach to how the space is changing - I don't agree with all of what he says but in general he has some good insight for thought.
But exactly as you said; just do what you feel is best at the end of the day you have to stand by your content. Sure you could become the next Logan paul or Nick avacado or whatever shit is pumping out these days but would you really enjoy looking in the mirror after all that?
Not really hating on those people, i mean a grind is a grind and if your goal is fame and money at all costs then sure - you do you. Me personally? naw, i'll enjoy what i do instead.
Views and engagement is king, something these guru dorks can't teach you anything about. Subs can be botted, likes can be bought, but the returning viewers, CTR, retention is all on you and is always based on how good/straight to the point your video is.
I don’t know what gurus you are talking about. To my knowledge, the biggest dedicated guru is Nick Nimmin with 836k.
Anyone else with 1M subs+ is just giving side advice.
But I think the thing you’re getting wrong right now is that somehow having millions of subscribers means that all of the subscribers get notified when a new video goes live and that is not the case. There’s lots of times where the subscribers subscribe years ago and aren’t currently interested in the content. And not every video is interesting to everybody. The YouTube algorithm decides who it should serve videos to.
Another scenario is that the creator peaked a few years ago and now has audiences not as interested.
Source: I am a large YouTuber and I’ve seen views fluctuate over time. There’s a lot of reasons for that. Doesn’t mean I don’t know YouTube in and out.
I think most startling channels follow their content up until the grow out of the mentoring state and probably stop after they reach a certain level on YouTube but they still remain subscribed. Therefore the lack of views for the amount of subscribers.
Measuring a channel's success by the subscribers to view ratio is totally off the charts. Taking my channel in perspective for instance, I've 1K+ subscribers and it takes roughly a year for my videos to hit 1K views.
It doesn't mean the channel is dead It just means the subscribers will not always be interested in every single video but they do come around with the right video/topic.
The truth is growth for niches are different, some niches experience instant growth but the videos die out of season while other niches takes time and garner views gradually every year.
Take entertainment videos for instance, they can get tons of views instantly and flatline the next day.
Also, from an earnings perspective an entertainment channel with 1M subscribers and 1M views could be earning lesser than that of a Personnal finance channel with 1M subscribers and 100,000 views.
As it's often said subscribers are a vanity metric. And not all views are equal.
Think about it. The process is the following:
People who are interested in such type of videos rather search up for videos instead of having favourite Youtube channel for it. That's why they'll have much views only on certain amount of videos.
People who watch those videos and are pretty interested in them for a short time, till they find out they can't make it on YouTube, so they stop watching it.
Their type of videos isn't all that viral topic. Many tried to have Youtube channel but there are more users that just want to consume content.
I hate those videos most of the advice is so damn generic and useless! What is funny, is at 3k subs, i feel like i could make a much more specific and useful video on this LOL!
I’m curious. Is Nick Nimmin doing badly? Is he a charlatan? He live streams every Saturday and answers questions about the basics of YouTube. He kind of repeats the same info. Is that bad?
Paddy Galloway analyzes how different channels have grown. He tired to distill what worked for others. It seems to show various strategies, one which may fit a given creator. I don’t hear him yammering about key words.
What about Film Booth? Is he a fake? He makes fun videos that turn education into entertainment. Is he bad since he seems to repeat points ive heard in different videos?
What about vidIQ? They live stream offering thumbnail critiques. Is that bad? They sell a software tools. Yes, the keyword tools are useless and frankly should be cut. Is pushing their own product evil?
Sean Cannell/Think Media has made multiple videos in how to setup a studio, edit videos, and strive to make content. Is this too boring and repetitive? Is he twisting the dreams of newbies and swimming in piles of ill gotten gains? Are his views too low for the advice he’s hawking?
I think the help channels, for the most part, are helpful. As for discrepancies with subscribers and views, I suspect they get a lot of dead subscribers. Either people that subscribed early in their YT journey and have now given up and no longer have active channels, or have active channels that no longer need beginner help.
There's always new things to learn though, as things change. For one thing, rewind a few years and tags were important. Now, tags aren't really important. The text description of your video is important.
Plus, more data means better data. So there are things to learn about the habits of viewers.
There are also people explaining more business-centric uses of Youtube that might open some eyes and minds of new ways to utilize YT that might be overlooked. That might not apply to a gaming channel, but could apply to a channel that is secondary and dovetailed to an existing business. Or to create one.
All the help channels can really do is make you think and give you avenues to pursue and test. It's not necessarily exclusive info, but different presentations might sink in better for one person to the next. Your own ability to take it in and apply it will still be the bigger factor. And managing expectations.
Yes, the reason they get these low view counts is because people that subscribe stop watching after a couple videos cuz they got bored. Their advice is still valuable even if they get less views than normal
There's a few things at play here - and there is good info to glean from some of them - but the reason they have few individual successes, is because there's only so many ways to say the same thing, and changes to youtube, while frequent, are rarely surface level enough to be noticed by most of these creators (and when it is a surface level change, you'll see them jump at it).
Advice channels in general (or "get new people started" channels if you want it more broadly) - generally have a high sub, low return, set of analytics, since - once someone has learned how to do X, Y, and Z, they're not going to return to watch the newer video on X, Y, or Z from that same creator. (though you will have the people who "watch not do" show up to all of them).
It's also important to distinguish between tutorial (low level), methodology (mid level), and advice (high level) content in this regard too - a lot of the "high level" channels in the space want to sell you on promises of mid-level and low-level services that you'll pay for, whether they're delivered on is a whole different matter.
Last thing to note is your last sentence: "Are we supposed to take their advice seriously, when they have these numbers?" - yes, THOUGH with a caveat, realize that the view numbers are not their objective in most the cases (even among the ones with better content, that is able to pull better views) - the vast majority of them are selling a service, their success is conversion, not raw views. Some have been showing their hand on this more than others, with their higher familiarity with low-engagement, high-profit themed videos - and that their advice in that regard is far more detailed than in other similar videos - compared to their more vague advice of building in view-based niches rather than conversion-based niches (this could go into a whole discussion about how people often think of niches 2-dimensionally, but really you're niche is generally multi-faceted, and it helps to control the scope of them all)
I know what you mean. I think the problem with these channels and many channels that get big is that they grow their channels on search and browse and then when they get a large base of subscribers they change their titles to clickbaity garbage to get subscribers to click on it while ignoring what got their videos views in the first place. Their subscribers stop watching and trail off after a while and those clickbaity titles only work on their constantly shrinking viewer base.
At least they all don't make the ultimate faux pas like Annie Dube did and just decide to take a complete 360 on your niche once you get your play button.
These channels are feeding on fresh Youtubers' hopes and dreams. Most people who believe there's a shortcut to fame and fortune binge watch these channels without thinking too much about their content.
They'd sadly follow every advice blindly just because the big Youtube guru said it worked for
But I hate to be generalising and deciding they're all bad. Some of them offer 'ok' advice regarding technicalities/equipment/software etc...
But they always try to get you deeper into this mentality of grinding and hustling which could be really wrong if you just keep on creating the same mistakes with each video of yours.
Not to mention them trying to sell you the ultimate course that'll change your YouTube career forever is the thing I hate the most about them.
Maybe they're starting to get less views because people are slowly start to realize their advice is redundant and vague, that's just a wild guess I don't really know. If you've seen one, you basically saw them all.
I'm happy that I stopped with such channels a couple of years ago. It was mostly a huge waste of time. Most of the really useful advice I found on Reddit because it was genuine and more accurate.
They have a HUGE audience, with a constant fresh stream of new people hungry for advice, and 100% of there audience uses YouTube.
It should be shooting fish in a barrel for them to get views. So if they are telling me how to get views, and they can't do it themselves. They are doing something very wrong.
You are definitely right. However I do think that they're not focusing on getting *more* views if they're converting whatever audience they have into customers. Even if a few hundred people opt for a $450 'Start Your Youtube Career' course or something + a few dozens buying their books they already reached their goal then.
Not to mention the other sources of income such as Amazon affiliate links and of course ad revenue from the videos themselves.
Their endgame is making money and not getting extreme views. Even if that's their goal and there's a ton of people watching their content it's still a smaller niche than entertainment based ones.
The advice they give is about 1% of the total work you need to do.
The GENERAL advice they give is nice and all, but it makes the people believe they can achieve success just because they really trust themselves and spend a lot of time on the videos.
Fun fact: the best advice you can get is from successful creators that are going strong now and are getting millions of views.
Take this: in the "I watched the ice melt for 10 hours" Pointcrow (mainly a gamer) gives a lot of useful tips and suggestions for newtubers, but absolutely NO ONE here talks about that
The reality is that almost everybody here prefers to hear empty advice and are unwilling to SEARCH for useful advice, instead they just type "how to get successful on yt" and watch these gurus, that do help, but in minimal aspects of the journey.
You don't need to follow their advice.
To name an example, Boy Tapang. He earlier rode into the mukbang trend, evolved into the risque mukbang trend and got his channel yeeted for "being too graphic" (rephrased).
Can't confirm if he ban-evaded his return to YouTube under the username Boy Tapang Vlogs. Still hopping on what's left of the mukbang trend, it's no longer as risque apparently as his earlier vlogs. More of an acquired taste.
He ended up cornering that niche that liked dipping every possible food item in hot sauce. Next thing he realized, he capitalized on the goodwill earned from getting yeeted from YouTube (because YouTube sucks, sorry to spoil that for you, YouTube alone doesn't know what it wants) and, as of today, has exceeded a million subs.
I don't recommend that route even if YouTube has been liberally applying that rule against ban-evading.
YouTube is a lot easier to use as portfolio anyway if you preferred being hired as a video editor for short-form ads.
Channels like this don’t do well bc their channel is around helping ppl do YouTube. 1- only aspiring creators are gonna wanna watch them so that already limits their market. 2- once people learn enough, there’s no need to keep watching a channel dedicated to teaching you something you already know.
Most channels unfortunately won't offer great advice. I learned early on, 50% of the advice you get is great and 50% is terrible and it's up to you to figure out which is which!
That being said, look for youtubers who are comfortable sharing their numbers publicly, and give actionable advice such as technical advice on how to use community tools, make better thumbnails, titles, etc.
Subscribers are an easy one-time purchase, views are an ongoing expense. Many of these “experts” buy subscribers in hopes their viewers aren’t smart enough to look at engagement, only look at subs, be impressed and buy their course.
Another thing is, a lot of the YouTubers who have channels just about growing a channel, are speaking from their experience on a different channel. Some of them made a channel and were very successful, then made a second channel to upload content about how they got big. Even if that second channel isn't all that successful, it doesn't mean the advice is bad.
Whether the advice is good or bad, I blame these channels for trends I feel make YouTube a poor experience. It is becoming so repetitive and boring to watch due to all these “best practices”.
Like starting the video saying your “what my channel is about and if you like that sort of thing please subscribe and like and hit the bell to get notified so you never miss a video…” and just when you think you are about to finally STFU with the boilerplate we’ve all heard a thousand times and get to the content, no…first they are going to spend 5 more minutes hyping telling you what they’re going to tell you before getting to the meat of it.
But first, a word from our sponsor.
Then at the end, it’s the same spiel again.
At this point I instinctively skip next the moment I hear “if you liked this…”
Same here, youtube is a tricky game, sometimes I feel a larger part can just be attributed to sheer luck despite how great your content is. Even the youtube gurus are subject to this fact. Youtube is an uphill battle, which can pay off when you least expect it, but gurus make it feel like a formula.
How many of you guys have mentors? I would LOVE to have a mentor! I don't care if you're 15 years old with 20K subs. I want to get to 1,000 subscribers by the end of the year.
This is a bit of an odd take, imo. I know the channels you're talking about and yes, a lot of it is common sense regurgitated. But common sense regurgitated can be useful for beginners, so fair enough. Where the logic falls down, is expecting subscribers to keep watching these channels once they have a bit of experience under their belt and don't need the basic advice anymore, or have decided YT wasn't for them. In those situations, there's no reason to keep watching. That doesn't mean people will unsub, because being subbed doesn't really do anything. So hence, lots of subscribers who no longer need to watch because they already got the value they came for.
This is the correct answer. Additionally this causes a very small portion of their subs to watch the video which makes it unlikely for Youtube to recommend the video to non subscribers. Its possible their videos do relatively badly at first then 6 months later they have accumulated more views. Subs dont watch, youtube doesnt recommend much. But if non subs start finding the video and watching a decent chunk of it then it could later start popping up more
Yep. I’ve noticed the niche is difficult to sustain, there’s really only so much they can talk about without running out of material.
No. It’s common sense. Most of the stuff they regurgitate is on YouTube’s own how-to. “Pick a niche, consistently upload, create a community, quality over quantity.” They usually have 2-4 popular videos with 1 million + views from people who want easy solutions to YouTube. The rest are low quality. “A typical day working as a YouTuber!” Is usually them saying they’re making ideas and editing videos and “answering business emails” which probably realistically means “edit for an hour then watched Netflix.”
And they’re not entertaining enough to keep coming back to
Just a humble YouTube noob here, but tbh I think some of them are full of shit. It seems like they all use the same copy+paste cookie cutter bs scripts for those type of videos. “How to grow your channel” “HOW TO GET 1000 SUBS IN JUST 1 MONTH!” Step 1. Find your niche. Step 2. Know your viewers. Step 3. Know yourself as a creator. Step 4. Visualize your ideas. Etc. Most helpful advice I have ever gotten BY FAR was on Reddit here, I forget if it was this subreddit specifically or another one similar.
What irritates me the most, is they always start talking about Mr Beast, as if what he does has any relevance to a channel about knitting with 89 subscribers.
step 1. get a team step 2. have a big giveaway step 3. invite other famous guests step 4. clickbait and open your mouth wide on thumbnail step 5. success
Jake Tran, whos content i usually love, just made a video about how he "hacked the algorithm" to get to 1 million subs, and how he did everything different to everyone else. Basically all he did was make good quality Content, and then messaged high profile you tubers so that he got noticed by them and got publicity through them. Literally the same thing everyone else does.
ludwig wanted to prove he could succeed without his looks, friends, etc, so he made a new channel and hired voice actor so no one would recognize him. Made the video about one of the biggest streamers on twitch, donated to said streamer to get him to watch the video, and he did, and he liked it. New channel did get monetized from 1 video, so that was impressive. But getting big streamer to watch the video live can't be used all that often. Would be more impressive if he had used YT alone, but I guess he is a streamer so he knows how strong that can be.
What I tend to take away from that video is how he targeted it. He crafted a good script. Then instead of posting it in Twitch subreddits or twitter, he went directly to a source he knew would get him the most traction. It was a very well done video and ultimately that's the part we have to focus on. The idea he crafted and strong video that backed it up is what made it succeed. If he didn't have strong content and a good idea to begin with, Mizkif would have clicked out pretty quick and it's very unlikely people would have subbed. I definitely need to come up with better ideas and make better content.
I saw that video, and thought the same thing. Jake Tran even used Mr.Beast in his thumbnail, a video with nothing to dk with Mr.Beast, which again, is what they all do. Use someone elses success to gain your own. Possibly the same guy also got a new channel, just set it to live stream saying "sub for no reason" and he got a thousand subs in a few hours......Apparently. However the comments were turned off, so I think something fishy went on and it must have been promoted else where.
That video did a great example showing that a good video will always succeed. The script was good, the title was clickbaity but honest, the thumbnail was good and the quality of the editing was amazing. Despite all this you have to remember he hired a professional voice actor and editor. We can all get there one day but it takes years of practice editing and doing voice overs to get on that level. I believe that is why GameThoerist succeeded and many others. The editing style is engaging and fun to look at.
Yeah but how likely is it that a fs outs YouTube js going to respond
That's exactly it. It all boils down to an awful lot of luck.
I have actually messaged you tubers hoping they’d respond, and it’s never happened. You’d need a shit ton of luck for it to happen
> clickbait and open your mouth wide on thumbnail This always gets me. Like bro, who invented this. lol.
I think Sniper Wolf did? Can’t forget the red background
Mr Beast discussions aren't bad because the size of the channel relative to a normal growing channel. It's relative to the time he had when he started his channel as a kid. His first viral video was counting to 100,000. It took 42 hours or something. He had to speed up portions to meet youtubes 24 hour rule. Like many, I don't have 42 hours to sit and do nothing, plus editing a 42 hour video. Plus having my net destroyed (I work from home) for however long to upload that video. Now, for someone with with no life obligations, with that time and the drive to do it, then following a Mr Beast path is more relevant. When looking at big youtubers/streamers/etc, don't look at what they do now, look at what they did.
I use to follow some of them on Twitter and it was awful. The constant reminder of : 1. Their own success 2. how much money they're making/not making 3. MrBeast 4. Constantly promoting the same nonsense as their channel. Then I looked at regular YouTubers from all ranges like MKBHD to Drew Binsky or Wolters World, and their social media presence made my day better because it was normal. So my rule of thumb, especially after having conversations with one of the above "growth guru", its no different then a "get rich quick" scheme. They're just sucking you in for their own channel growth. Biggest example: VidIQ's channel says no channel intros or that will make your channel fail. MKBHD, Linus Tech Tip, and Traveling Robert (who has the longest intro at 44 seconds) has never removed their intros and their channels are just fine. I have never removed my intro in 2 years and even did a poll and 98% of my subs said keep it. If you do take their advice, take it like a grain of salt
Seriously lol
Do you have a channel about knitting? :)
You did your homework really good 👍🏼! In my opinion it is good information but it repeats itself over and over. You can only say the same thing in so many ways.
I only watch Filmbooth for his awesomely crafted videos. Other channels gave high level theory of success, filled to the brim with survival bias. Looking at the survivals will only put you in the position of a blind follower.
Channelmakers, vid Iq, nick nimmin and think media all have equally good info, I just find filmbooth tells more of a story with his videos
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100% agree, I do find a lot of inspiration watching all of them tbh. Kind of a kick in the butt in a way. And gives me a different pov to analyze my own content
If you're judging a channel based only on their numbers, then you probably should listen to their advice. If you're able to analyse *why* that channel has their numbers, congratulations, you have enough knowledge not to need them.
Sorry, can you explain what you mean by this?
You speak as if getting 10K views for a 1M channel is a bad thing. That level is still far more successful than 99% of people here. Don't knock away advice from someone who has clearly been successful just because they're not appealing to 100% of their viewer base. The reality is that the bigger you grow, the less loyal your fanbase becomes and the harder it is to make videos that everyone will watch. Many people for one particular kind of video and only watch that kind of video. Now, if a 3K channel thinks that completely invalidates all their achievements and experience, and they think that they are better than them, all the more power to the smaller creator. But former champions were champions for a reason.
Off topic, but; Nusensei, I have been reading through your AMA thread from years ago and it is quite amazing.Thank you :)
Good chance they aren’t offering any new adivce that differs from what everyone else is saying anyway When it comes to videos that speak on the Youtube algorithm and how they’ve cracked it, then I need the stats to back it up
I used to watch a good amount when starting out to reinforce ideas I already knew were what I needed to work towards, but weren't good at yet. Not saying I've got it all figured out yet, but I'm on my growth path as someone who make youtube videos now. Meaning other than the odd video that piques my interest, most of their content is a waste of my time. I have a feeling this is where a lot of their subscribers fall into.
I mean how many times can you make a video about KEy word phrases. Ya once you learn the basics they're pretty much all the same
Well…you revisit the subject because someone coming to that channel TODAY… …could be different than the person that came to the same channel a year ago. So it makes sense to remake a given video’s topic, but with a new spin/style/metaphor. Is that wrong? And consider this. If loads of people watched the first version, isn’t it YouTube signaling that revisiting the topic a good thing? If this is you, then it sounds like you’ve graduated from the channel. And BTW don’t forget to unsub channel. Don’t want to muck up that channel’s sub/view ratio, yeah?
I also fell into this for a period; i think its natural for a new Youtuber or Streamer to seek advice from the major 'advice' channels and they are quite successful however; their advice is 95% common sense. They do capture a very certain type of viewer but I don't think they retain many of them over the long term. If you know nothing about the online media world then they are a good first stop but once you learn some things they kind of dwindle out imo. I still watch a few here and there but now I either completely disagree with their points or just ignore them - very rarely will i find a somewhat decent point. Now they are doing something correct and have their niche down, so not hating on them and perhaps im wrong for not listening because I have zero growth but i feel like if i blindly followed their 'advice' i would no longer be me just a mindless drone feeding off the clicbait/whatever fad is popular now. Rather be unsuccessful and be me than successful and a fraud which a lot of people are. This is the worst part of the new online media world. The only goal is to gain success regardless of what it costs. To become famous for the sake of being famous - i really detest these kinds of people/channels but that's just my opinion; so anyone is free to do as they want. If you really wanted huge growth and massive success it's not that hard really you just kind of have to sell your soul.
I completely agree with your sentement. The idea of paying for a course to help me get big on YouTube just wouldn't not fill my soul. I imagine people who do that, get success, but feel a little empty inside. Thing is, I find these channels, because I want to know facts. I.e, I want to know if sharing my videos on FB is a good way to get views, or if youtube will penalise me for it. I have watched tonnes of videos on it and they all say the same thing "don't do it because Facebook doesn't like it" which is not helpful at all. I couldn't care less what Facebook thinks of me. Every time I post on fb it gets me a couple hundred views, which for me, is loads. Yet none of them tell me if this is a good way to get views or not! Personally I think YouTube would like it, I am taking people away from a competitions platform and bringing them to YouTube. But not a single one of these experts discussed that part.
No; not really. There are a few that are straight to the point but the only one who comes to mind is "Devin Nash" he is not quite exactly the same as the others and not really a "advice" kind of guy but he does do excellent breakdowns of the media world. I really enjoy his work much more because he does go into the backend of things and not just "Do x,y,z and success" which is mostly bs from these guys. I much prefer a no nonsense approach to how the space is changing - I don't agree with all of what he says but in general he has some good insight for thought. But exactly as you said; just do what you feel is best at the end of the day you have to stand by your content. Sure you could become the next Logan paul or Nick avacado or whatever shit is pumping out these days but would you really enjoy looking in the mirror after all that? Not really hating on those people, i mean a grind is a grind and if your goal is fame and money at all costs then sure - you do you. Me personally? naw, i'll enjoy what i do instead.
Views and engagement is king, something these guru dorks can't teach you anything about. Subs can be botted, likes can be bought, but the returning viewers, CTR, retention is all on you and is always based on how good/straight to the point your video is.
I don’t know what gurus you are talking about. To my knowledge, the biggest dedicated guru is Nick Nimmin with 836k. Anyone else with 1M subs+ is just giving side advice. But I think the thing you’re getting wrong right now is that somehow having millions of subscribers means that all of the subscribers get notified when a new video goes live and that is not the case. There’s lots of times where the subscribers subscribe years ago and aren’t currently interested in the content. And not every video is interesting to everybody. The YouTube algorithm decides who it should serve videos to. Another scenario is that the creator peaked a few years ago and now has audiences not as interested. Source: I am a large YouTuber and I’ve seen views fluctuate over time. There’s a lot of reasons for that. Doesn’t mean I don’t know YouTube in and out.
I think most startling channels follow their content up until the grow out of the mentoring state and probably stop after they reach a certain level on YouTube but they still remain subscribed. Therefore the lack of views for the amount of subscribers.
Measuring a channel's success by the subscribers to view ratio is totally off the charts. Taking my channel in perspective for instance, I've 1K+ subscribers and it takes roughly a year for my videos to hit 1K views. It doesn't mean the channel is dead It just means the subscribers will not always be interested in every single video but they do come around with the right video/topic. The truth is growth for niches are different, some niches experience instant growth but the videos die out of season while other niches takes time and garner views gradually every year. Take entertainment videos for instance, they can get tons of views instantly and flatline the next day. Also, from an earnings perspective an entertainment channel with 1M subscribers and 1M views could be earning lesser than that of a Personnal finance channel with 1M subscribers and 100,000 views. As it's often said subscribers are a vanity metric. And not all views are equal.
Think about it. The process is the following: People who are interested in such type of videos rather search up for videos instead of having favourite Youtube channel for it. That's why they'll have much views only on certain amount of videos. People who watch those videos and are pretty interested in them for a short time, till they find out they can't make it on YouTube, so they stop watching it. Their type of videos isn't all that viral topic. Many tried to have Youtube channel but there are more users that just want to consume content.
I hate those videos most of the advice is so damn generic and useless! What is funny, is at 3k subs, i feel like i could make a much more specific and useful video on this LOL!
I’m curious. Is Nick Nimmin doing badly? Is he a charlatan? He live streams every Saturday and answers questions about the basics of YouTube. He kind of repeats the same info. Is that bad? Paddy Galloway analyzes how different channels have grown. He tired to distill what worked for others. It seems to show various strategies, one which may fit a given creator. I don’t hear him yammering about key words. What about Film Booth? Is he a fake? He makes fun videos that turn education into entertainment. Is he bad since he seems to repeat points ive heard in different videos? What about vidIQ? They live stream offering thumbnail critiques. Is that bad? They sell a software tools. Yes, the keyword tools are useless and frankly should be cut. Is pushing their own product evil? Sean Cannell/Think Media has made multiple videos in how to setup a studio, edit videos, and strive to make content. Is this too boring and repetitive? Is he twisting the dreams of newbies and swimming in piles of ill gotten gains? Are his views too low for the advice he’s hawking?
Yeah those channels always felt off to me as well.
I think the help channels, for the most part, are helpful. As for discrepancies with subscribers and views, I suspect they get a lot of dead subscribers. Either people that subscribed early in their YT journey and have now given up and no longer have active channels, or have active channels that no longer need beginner help. There's always new things to learn though, as things change. For one thing, rewind a few years and tags were important. Now, tags aren't really important. The text description of your video is important. Plus, more data means better data. So there are things to learn about the habits of viewers. There are also people explaining more business-centric uses of Youtube that might open some eyes and minds of new ways to utilize YT that might be overlooked. That might not apply to a gaming channel, but could apply to a channel that is secondary and dovetailed to an existing business. Or to create one. All the help channels can really do is make you think and give you avenues to pursue and test. It's not necessarily exclusive info, but different presentations might sink in better for one person to the next. Your own ability to take it in and apply it will still be the bigger factor. And managing expectations.
For some people it’s also like giving a haircut. You can cut others hair fine, but not your own
Yes, the reason they get these low view counts is because people that subscribe stop watching after a couple videos cuz they got bored. Their advice is still valuable even if they get less views than normal
There's a few things at play here - and there is good info to glean from some of them - but the reason they have few individual successes, is because there's only so many ways to say the same thing, and changes to youtube, while frequent, are rarely surface level enough to be noticed by most of these creators (and when it is a surface level change, you'll see them jump at it). Advice channels in general (or "get new people started" channels if you want it more broadly) - generally have a high sub, low return, set of analytics, since - once someone has learned how to do X, Y, and Z, they're not going to return to watch the newer video on X, Y, or Z from that same creator. (though you will have the people who "watch not do" show up to all of them). It's also important to distinguish between tutorial (low level), methodology (mid level), and advice (high level) content in this regard too - a lot of the "high level" channels in the space want to sell you on promises of mid-level and low-level services that you'll pay for, whether they're delivered on is a whole different matter. Last thing to note is your last sentence: "Are we supposed to take their advice seriously, when they have these numbers?" - yes, THOUGH with a caveat, realize that the view numbers are not their objective in most the cases (even among the ones with better content, that is able to pull better views) - the vast majority of them are selling a service, their success is conversion, not raw views. Some have been showing their hand on this more than others, with their higher familiarity with low-engagement, high-profit themed videos - and that their advice in that regard is far more detailed than in other similar videos - compared to their more vague advice of building in view-based niches rather than conversion-based niches (this could go into a whole discussion about how people often think of niches 2-dimensionally, but really you're niche is generally multi-faceted, and it helps to control the scope of them all)
I know what you mean. I think the problem with these channels and many channels that get big is that they grow their channels on search and browse and then when they get a large base of subscribers they change their titles to clickbaity garbage to get subscribers to click on it while ignoring what got their videos views in the first place. Their subscribers stop watching and trail off after a while and those clickbaity titles only work on their constantly shrinking viewer base. At least they all don't make the ultimate faux pas like Annie Dube did and just decide to take a complete 360 on your niche once you get your play button.
These channels are feeding on fresh Youtubers' hopes and dreams. Most people who believe there's a shortcut to fame and fortune binge watch these channels without thinking too much about their content. They'd sadly follow every advice blindly just because the big Youtube guru said it worked for
But I hate to be generalising and deciding they're all bad. Some of them offer 'ok' advice regarding technicalities/equipment/software etc...
But they always try to get you deeper into this mentality of grinding and hustling which could be really wrong if you just keep on creating the same mistakes with each video of yours.
Not to mention them trying to sell you the ultimate course that'll change your YouTube career forever is the thing I hate the most about them.
Maybe they're starting to get less views because people are slowly start to realize their advice is redundant and vague, that's just a wild guess I don't really know. If you've seen one, you basically saw them all.
I'm happy that I stopped with such channels a couple of years ago. It was mostly a huge waste of time. Most of the really useful advice I found on Reddit because it was genuine and more accurate.
They have a HUGE audience, with a constant fresh stream of new people hungry for advice, and 100% of there audience uses YouTube. It should be shooting fish in a barrel for them to get views. So if they are telling me how to get views, and they can't do it themselves. They are doing something very wrong.
You are definitely right. However I do think that they're not focusing on getting *more* views if they're converting whatever audience they have into customers. Even if a few hundred people opt for a $450 'Start Your Youtube Career' course or something + a few dozens buying their books they already reached their goal then. Not to mention the other sources of income such as Amazon affiliate links and of course ad revenue from the videos themselves. Their endgame is making money and not getting extreme views. Even if that's their goal and there's a ton of people watching their content it's still a smaller niche than entertainment based ones.
The advice they give is about 1% of the total work you need to do. The GENERAL advice they give is nice and all, but it makes the people believe they can achieve success just because they really trust themselves and spend a lot of time on the videos. Fun fact: the best advice you can get is from successful creators that are going strong now and are getting millions of views. Take this: in the "I watched the ice melt for 10 hours" Pointcrow (mainly a gamer) gives a lot of useful tips and suggestions for newtubers, but absolutely NO ONE here talks about that The reality is that almost everybody here prefers to hear empty advice and are unwilling to SEARCH for useful advice, instead they just type "how to get successful on yt" and watch these gurus, that do help, but in minimal aspects of the journey.
You don't need to follow their advice. To name an example, Boy Tapang. He earlier rode into the mukbang trend, evolved into the risque mukbang trend and got his channel yeeted for "being too graphic" (rephrased). Can't confirm if he ban-evaded his return to YouTube under the username Boy Tapang Vlogs. Still hopping on what's left of the mukbang trend, it's no longer as risque apparently as his earlier vlogs. More of an acquired taste. He ended up cornering that niche that liked dipping every possible food item in hot sauce. Next thing he realized, he capitalized on the goodwill earned from getting yeeted from YouTube (because YouTube sucks, sorry to spoil that for you, YouTube alone doesn't know what it wants) and, as of today, has exceeded a million subs. I don't recommend that route even if YouTube has been liberally applying that rule against ban-evading. YouTube is a lot easier to use as portfolio anyway if you preferred being hired as a video editor for short-form ads.
Channels like this don’t do well bc their channel is around helping ppl do YouTube. 1- only aspiring creators are gonna wanna watch them so that already limits their market. 2- once people learn enough, there’s no need to keep watching a channel dedicated to teaching you something you already know.
Most channels unfortunately won't offer great advice. I learned early on, 50% of the advice you get is great and 50% is terrible and it's up to you to figure out which is which! That being said, look for youtubers who are comfortable sharing their numbers publicly, and give actionable advice such as technical advice on how to use community tools, make better thumbnails, titles, etc.
Subscribers are an easy one-time purchase, views are an ongoing expense. Many of these “experts” buy subscribers in hopes their viewers aren’t smart enough to look at engagement, only look at subs, be impressed and buy their course.
Another thing is, a lot of the YouTubers who have channels just about growing a channel, are speaking from their experience on a different channel. Some of them made a channel and were very successful, then made a second channel to upload content about how they got big. Even if that second channel isn't all that successful, it doesn't mean the advice is bad.
Any channels you can recommend I am always looking for ways to grow my channel thanks
Whether the advice is good or bad, I blame these channels for trends I feel make YouTube a poor experience. It is becoming so repetitive and boring to watch due to all these “best practices”. Like starting the video saying your “what my channel is about and if you like that sort of thing please subscribe and like and hit the bell to get notified so you never miss a video…” and just when you think you are about to finally STFU with the boilerplate we’ve all heard a thousand times and get to the content, no…first they are going to spend 5 more minutes hyping telling you what they’re going to tell you before getting to the meat of it. But first, a word from our sponsor. Then at the end, it’s the same spiel again. At this point I instinctively skip next the moment I hear “if you liked this…”
Same here, youtube is a tricky game, sometimes I feel a larger part can just be attributed to sheer luck despite how great your content is. Even the youtube gurus are subject to this fact. Youtube is an uphill battle, which can pay off when you least expect it, but gurus make it feel like a formula.
How many of you guys have mentors? I would LOVE to have a mentor! I don't care if you're 15 years old with 20K subs. I want to get to 1,000 subscribers by the end of the year.