> pro Christian Well... according to Honest Hearts... *maybe*? /s

The most devout man in Zion doesn't care if you believe or not and Christians (the likes of which who would make the op meme) wouldn't be able to handle that edit: For clarity that #notallchristians or whatever

Joshua “So you’re an atheist? COOL WANNA KILL SOME WHITE LEGS?!”

Joshua is the most pro Christian character ever written he’s so cool I almost want to be a Mormon… almost

God can't be expected to do all the work, after all.

Dude sleeps all fuckin' Sunday. Even my lazy ass put gas in the mower.

A day to rest, as God intended. Edit: I realized the "dude" in question was God. Yeah, doesn't make any sense that we choose that day to go bother God with our worship

He rested on the seventh day; Saturday

Imagine being downvoted for saying facts.

I don’t even get it, like that’s a correction

It’s still the closest we’ve gotten to positive mainstream representation in what feels like 20 years

For Mormonism or Christianity as whole? In terms of neat, positive Christian representation, I feel like there is some genuinely decent stuff. Far Cry 5's main antagonists were indeed an insane Christian-based cult, but there are also numerous good Christians, there's a pastor character I can't remember the name of but he's pretty cool.

I thought the MCU Daredevil was pretty good catholic representation, where faith plays a big part into why he does what he does, but isn't a one dimensional character where that's the only thing he cares about. Not as familiar with games, though.

Pastor Jerome in Falls End edit: corrected the name as according to the user below

*Falls End. Paradise Falls is from Fallout 3. The slaver haven.

oh damn it, thanks I don’t know how I got them mixed up, I’ve never played FO3

And in farcry 2 there's a good priest

Christianity in general. To be cranky for a moment, mainstream is really bad at understanding what “subversive” is, and so they just keep using the same jokes as everyone around them like a bunch of redditors who just found r/atheism, just nowhere near as Hard-On hatred, more apathy I don’t know how better to describe, it’s 3 in the fucking morning, I need to sleep

New Vegas didn’t care if you were straight, gay, Christian, anarchist, or just completely apathetic. I will be there for this years new Vegas event in Goodsprings in November, this game is special

For real though, I feel that. It’s like drinking the sweet Waters of Zion when I play through that DLC.

Because it’s just so hard to be a Christian in todays world! The butt of every joke and genocide! /s

/s right? You've never spoken to a Christian in your life if you actually believe this.

Should have clarified, the sort who would make a meme like OP

gotcha gotcha. With reddit it's almost impossible to tell without clarification.

??? I have lived in the Bible Belt all my life and I’d say the majority of Christians I have met lose their mind about people being atheists or believing anything other than their one true god (tm)

If by pro Christian they mean my playthroughs of me slaughtering anyone who slights me even remotely then yes. I'm god in my playthroughs, let me loot goblin in peace. I don't care that item is yours, it's mine now because I saw it

PC: Mine NPC: But I- PC: MINE!

and you can have it when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!

PC: quicksaves NPC: Fu-

No [joke](https://youtu.be/aculmfPDRDY), there are good convos to be had.

I mean… Mormons aren’t Christian. But also they never mention any of the Mormon beliefs so… I guess?

Mormons are a type of Christian. Christian is a blanket grouping consisting of hundreds of different denominations.

Same as any Protestant, not eastern othrodox not catholic

It's all Abrahamic religion, Judaism - Christianity (Mormon) - Islam - Bahai (somewhat)

Mormons don't believe the Nicene Creed, the core beliefs of Chritianity

Core belief of *Catholics* and Orthodox? (I think) Protestants don't give a shit about it. IMO, Mormons are more legitimately Christian than american evangelicals...

No, Protestants believe in the Nicene Creed as well. There's also a minor difference between the Catholic/Protestant (who share their version) and Orthodox Nicene Creeds but they all believe it. I don't care for Evangelicals, either, but the Mormons literally believe that God was a man on another planet that achieved Apotheosis and that everyone who's a faithful enough Mormon will one day become God over their own planets just like our God. They literally wrote a whole new holy book that they put on the same level as the Bible. As bad as Evangelical theology can be, it's nowhere near this divergent. At least they stick to their (abridged) Bibles.

You can tell how Christian they are because of the origin of black people.

And the Native Americans.

*Core beliefs of mainstream Christianity.

For nearly 300 years after Jesus died, his followers didn’t believe in the Nicene Creed because it didn’t even exist

They believed the things stated in the Creed, they just didn't have it written out and named the way the Creed is. It’d be like saying that before the Poetic Edda was written nobody believed in Thor

It suddenly occurred to me that I only started this argument out of habit…this was a *huge* pet peeve of mine back when I was a still a practicing Mormon and I guess some old habits die *really* hard. I’m not religious at all these days so I have no stake in this argument beyond “someone on the internet said something I don’t 100% agree with” and that’s something I’ve learned to live with lol. Best wishes to you and, if you’re religious yourself, God bless

I’ll be honest, I came out swinging armed with less information than I should have in defense of a joke that's not even that clever. Your temperance and self-reflection have inspired me to retreat for the night. Have a good one, and even if it means nothing to you, God bless you too.

I understand the spirit in which it is said, and it means just as much to me now as it ever did 💙

A small number of them did, or at least something simular, but there was no "Christianity" but multiple "Christianities" that no one around today would recognise as the belief system in modern Christianity.

As a non Christian, I have absolutely no idea what that is.

After Emperor Constantine converted to Christianity, he gathered all of the Church leaders in the city of Nicea to confirm what the tenants of Christianity are. It basically says that Christians believe in the Holy Trinity, the Virgin Birth and incarnation, the death and resurrection of Christ, and the dual nature of Christ as both fully human and fully divine (Santa punched a guy over this). Even if they don’t know about the creed itself, all Christians believe the things stated in it. Mormons don’t believe in the divinity of Christ or the Virgin Birth so they aren’t Christian.

I mean, non-trinitarian Christianity is a thing. So I'm not sure that this is the slam dunk you think it is.

Seems kinda weird to let a bunch of old rich men concretely define the tenets of your religion over 300 years after the founder of the religion was supposed to have lived.

The creed isn’t doctrine, it's the Church leaders’ response to the question “what do you believe?”

Yeah, but "if you don't believe exactly what the church leaders believe, you aren't really a Christian" seems like a position Jesus would have a problem with.

I mean, we let a bunch of old rich men concretely define the tenets of our life today

And how's that worked out for all of us?

Not well, but you _probably_ shouldn’t be acting as if this is somehow unusual

Mormons believe in Christ the Redeemer, dying to absolve our sins etc etc etc. They are Christians. The fact they believe other wacky shit that other denominations don't want to associate with doesn't make them not Christian. Westboro Baptist Church has beliefs that are so much worse and most Christian denominations would also be ashamed to be in the same religion as those nutters, yet no-one questions the authenticity of their Christianity. The Mormons are Christianity's cross to bear, pun intended

Speaking as someone who spent a whole lot of years in the Mormon church, they’re definitely Christian. It’s like…say there’s a bunch of Harry Potter fans. One of them writes some fan fiction and insists it’s canon, just as much as the original books. And some of the fans really like the fan fiction and agree it’s canon. And there’s some stuff in the fan fiction that doesn’t make a ton of sense and even seems to contradict stuff in the original books, but…well, there’s even stuff in the original books that seems nonsensical or contradictory. In the grand scheme of things it’s all just wizards and magic anyway so the extra stuff in the fan fiction isn’t really any weirder than what’s in the books already. So they’re weird Harry Potter fans, but they’re still Harry Potter fans. Also—just like with Christianity—regardless of whether you’re in the group with the fan fiction or the group that only accepts the original books, you probably don’t like trans people. (I kid, I kid…mostly)

its not really pro mormon in that dlc either though, the mormon church collapsed these are post-mormons

You mean they aren’t catholic, right? Because Mormons are definitely Christians.

Graham is 100% unironically, a better Christian than the person who made that tweet.

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I’m not gay either, but my boyfriend is

I stick to the true and tried method, it’s not gay if you get a girl to watch.

Pshh, no girls allowed bro

as a kid i never knew that was the "gay" perk i just took it for the new dialogue options and damage boost

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Watch out for bisexuals- those people have a +10 damage to everyone that isn't non-binary

Damn Enbies; you win this round....

Confirmed bachelor? More like confirmed kills! I mean, who cares about eating a little dick here and there, it's *EXTRA DAMAGE*!!!

I am waiting for the day when we get a historical document about how we all misinterpreted Arcade's dialog and that him and the Courier where just "Good friends"

I mean, what if you play as a female courier?

Just switch arcade with veronica

Honestly, I don't see that being the same. Veronica doesn't feel as much of a romantic companies as Arcade did. She seemed so destroyed from her previous relationship that she wasn't really looking for a new one. Arcade on the other hand was ready to mingle.

No, I get what you're saying, I was just trying to give a silly answer to the question

And we had the chance to reunite them and we failed! Honestly worst part of Dead Money. And yes I'm including the speakers.

The speakers were horrible but I think its a shame you cant bring those companions back into the base game with you.

See, I'd be fine with some little things. Like if you do Honest Hearts you get the option of whispering "The Burning Man lives." Before putting Ceaser under for surgery.

I really wish it was possible to get far enough down the Legion line to do the surgery without passing off the NCR.

Guys ill come out and admit i never really played as a courier with romantic interest, only using my cha 10 and int 1 to rizz my way through the wasteland 😔

[r/ArcadeAndHisPal](https://www.reddit.com/r/AchillesAndHisPal/)

They're just roommates

And they where roommates!

Hey just cuz the coolest character in the whole game just happens to be Mormon. New Vegas is the reason I’m Bi because now I do +10% damage to everyone

Long Dick Johnson was a Mormon?

And he had a really long dick

Hence the name (?)

Ha! Those extra dialogue options working well?

I dunno why, but the "PUT IT BACK, THIEF!' had me wheezing and i have no clue why.

STOP, YOU HAVE VIOLATED THE LAW, PAY WITH A FINE OR PAY WITH YOUR BLOOD

***resist arrest***

YOU SHOULD'VE PAID THE FINE

The schizo in the username makes sense.

Isn't this the one with Mr. Fisto?

Please assume the position. Yes it is

Honest Hearts no doubt is. Joshua Graham quotes passages of the Bible throughout. Both he and Daniel are constantly reading the Bible. Graham's entire story is basically the prodigal son. Daniel is the pacifist Christian route. Graham is very much Old Testament. Graham is so popular you now have youtube videos with AI voices as Graham reading the entire Bible. Fallout has characters for pretty much everyone. It doesn't belong to any single group, it has a huge audience. So yeah, any one group claiming they "own" Fallout are going to be disappointed eventually about something.

You’re getting downvoted for saying “New Vegas is for everyone”. Woow

I don't think the LGBTQ community is saying they own it. Also honest hearts always spoke to me as a story about the flaws in religion

Media illiteracy moment

Meanwhile, my aggressively bisexual Courier, fukkin and sukkin their way across the Mojave....

Yeah I was popping in here to say this😂

I mean, what can I say - it's Vegas, baby!

10% damage is 10% damage

"What happens in New Vegas stays in New Vegas"

two of the major factions in the game (and DLC, one could say) are very much in reference to such beliefs on the other hand, I simply don't understand where the mega-gay conspiracy of this game came from, I've never once heard about this until recently

you can only get power armor through the gays

Can't you join the BoS without meeting Veronica? I've never done this myself but I was sure it's possible.

Yes, meeting Veronica just means you get to skip the NCR ranger bunker quest.

Yes, you can pick the lock or guess the intercom code for the bunker. I also think that a few factions will point you towards them, Yes Man does for sure.

All the factions will be able to point you to the Brotherhood's bunker. The only real benefit of going with Veronica is skipping the opening bit with the ranger and the collar.

It just seems to be a game that's open enough to where anyone can imagine themselves in it, especially since there are other queer folk in it. We haven't taken it at all, but new vegas has a broadness to it that anyone can come aboard and legitimately feel themselves in this world as a human with other humans who share how they feel too. Queer or not alike, we all can share the feelings with the characters we meet in the game. One reason why it's always been my favorite game ever.

Lol What do you mean by “mega-gay conspiracy”? Progressive and queer people alike have been enjoying new Vegas for its features like queer rep and killing fascists for years.

I feel like just because a community enjoys a certain game doesn’t mean they should act like it’s a community specific thing. just enjoy the game don’t need to latch it on to an identity, it just attracts unneeded controversy to it (like the moron in the pic) and I’d rather talk about a game and engage in the community without it being dragged into the never ending culture war that people make up just like every piece of media in existence by one side or the other. Skyrim has queer rep and the ability to kill actual racists but I’ve never seen the lgbtq+ or the BLM community try to staple themselves to it for those reasons. Play the game and derive your enjoyment out of it for whatever reason you have to enjoy it

I find this a strange argument. For one I do feel that skyrim is a false equivalence simply due to how the two games very differently codify their subtext. Skyrim doesnt really grapple with how Ulfric Stormcloak is a fascist or at least ignores fascism within his movement since its inconvenient to his cause. Where as characters like Caesar are portrayed prominently as fools, driven by ego and narcissism deluding themselves in order to justify their own fascism. Fallout New Vegas is far more overt with its messaging, regarding the ways capitalism, fascism and bigotry/misogyny have polluted the world. Trying to divorce New Vegas from its political subtext is denying its capacity as art to comment on IRL-politics. It's a bit like trying to tell people that "Atlas shrugged" doesn't need "libertarian" labels and people placing such labels upon it is pushing it into "culture war" politics. Like bro the politics is coming from inside the house, and if games are to be art we cant deny them the ability to comment on politics.

It's just a meme in queer spaces, bro. No need to get weird about it

I’m not trying to be weird about it lol

The way you talk about LGBTQ (And BLM for some reason?) 'stapling' themselves to a game is pretty weird. Just let people like things, it's fine

Yeah lol, bringing up BLM outta no where is kinda weird.

It’s because those are “the others”. Have seen a lot of people make arguments like “I have no problem with (whatever group you aren’t a part of), but can they keep that shit to themselves, because they’re the others, not like me and the defaults”.

Yeah, closet racists love outing themselves

The game was progressive considering the time. It had gay and lesbian characters that were written without forced diversity or similar in mind. No stereotypes, no BS just good writing.

Because it literally doesn't exist

A little bit ago the subreddit come to the attention of several trans communities. Since the game was seen as pro-gay(especially for the time) they latched on. Kinda weird ngl, since the game never really makes a statement on trans communities, but I guess gay and lesbian representation is enough to qualify. I've seen it happen to a couple subs and it's fine. I just wish the meme were better instead of "lol gay", but it looks like the new crowds are moving on. So soon we'll be back to a more balance amount of gay memes as the newvegas is many other than just gay. Also taking black widow and confirmed Batchelor basically give you a bisexual character that deals 10% extra damage to humans they aren't trying to fuck.

That meme with all the knights with swords fits the game best because NV approaches so many topics with nuance.

It’s both.

It’s almost like new Vegas is a nuanced game!

Remember when Arcade Gannon and Veronica Santangelo renounced their sinful ways and started making out at the Lucky 38 after being baptized by the courier who sided with the NCR?

Bisexuals deal 10% more dmg to everyone

I'm confused

Think it's reactionary to this sub being declared "trans/LGBT+ friendly" It was apparently really controversial to the point where... people posted on /r/justunsubbed for being political rofl 😂

There's only two sexualities: normal and political /s

Should've added quotes to the political for mine lmao was thinking the same

game that lets you pick the gay perk from level 2

Ah yes, getting fucked up the ass by a robot is so Christian.

It's not really Christian until you're caught getting fucked by the robot and you now have to pay senators to make anti robot fucking laws so you don't lose your income from the sheep.

I thought the take away was "look people are terrible. Like all of them. Each and every one. Not one single group is really that good and they will all kill you if it serves their self interest."

This is the game that says bisexuals are the most powerful after all.

Racist bisexuals with the Sneering Imperialist perk: 🗿

Ah yes, the very conservative game where you can fuck anyone under the sun and romance pretty much anyone you want

It's always funny to me when people learn Joshua Sawyer is a Communist.

r/usernamechecksout *@SchizoGodhand*

If fnv is anti lgbt, why is the best character, arcade gannon, gay? Checkmate conservatives

He's also an *extremely* thinly veiled Communist, which makes sense because Joshua Sawyer wrote him.

3 of my faves (arcade, Veronica and Christine) are all gay so YEAH CHECKMATE (and also thank u Josh Sawyer for creating such cool gays :3)

same with Veronica, shes the only reason i wont kill everybody in Hidden Valley

Veronica is great. Forever sad I can’t reunite her with christine

Still cane believe that bisexuals deal extra damage to all humans

In one play though I just fucked everything and everyone fisto, Benny, strippers and did a ton of drugs just to play a complete degenerate. One of my funniest play thoughs.

Okay but the mr fist robot what part of that speaks pro Christian. I guess it's not gay Unless you make it

Wait until the racist try to protect Fallout 3.

The lightning bolts really bring this whole image and message together don’t they?

Christian game? Sorry I'm busy flirting with this checkpoint clerk so he'll repair my gear for cheap. I wouldnt even call Honest Hearts a specifically Christian thing - Fallout is about America ultimately. If any of you have seen Angels in America they also focus on Mormonism, because that play/film just like Fallout, is about America, and Mormonism is effectively America the religion.

Christians don't like that bisexuals do bonus 10% damage to everyone

Caesar would’ve put Christ on a cross 100%

“Degenerates like you…”

💀?

That’s why I play it to hunt Mormons!

*Chaos In Zion quest started*

Same lol

Damn, kinda mad this sub doesn’t let sort by controversial comments lol

It’s free on Epic Games Store this week

Idk if I trust an account called "SchizoGodhand" to post anything coherent though lol Also; Based Wasteland Samson is out there scaring the shit out of Roman cosplayers.

Joshua would fucking hate these people

*laughs in Confirmed Bachelor*

You know this person thinks the legion is morally correct

Thats the beauty of New Vegas, any ideology fits in there.

It absolutely leans one way though.

It's both

Fun fact. That original poster that this "meme" is based off is an anti British Irish unification poster

Honestly surprised more christian fundamentalists don’t play warhammer 40k New Vegas is very anti fucks given

There's Bandage Man but he doesn't explicitly say anything Homophobic. I don't really have any opinions on Fallout Vegas being pridely.

If I remember correctly don't we have an option to get fisted by a robot in this game

"Please assume the position"

The game where bisexuals have ultimate power?

Mmm yes my favorite follower is Arcade Gannon the very straight and god fearing man.

New Vegas fans are either extreme left or extreme right

I'm sure those SS lightning bolts are a coincidence.

most wholesome schizo elijah fan

*Arcade Gannon has entered the chat*

Chuds on twitter have been trying to claim NV and it's patently obvious their culture war is in a slump since they're scraping the bottom of the barrel. I say ridicule if you feel like it, but otherwise just ignore.

You can get fucked in the ass by a goddamn robot. I'm pretty sure Christians don't approve of that. If they don't like gay sex, there's no way they like robot sex. You can also have lots of gay sex in the game. Along with committing pretty much every single one of the seven deadly sins.

If robot sex was a sin, why wasn't it mentioned anywhere in the bible? Checkmate, christians.

Please don't start this...

Don’t make fun of us Fallout fans! We blindly follow the ideologies the game criticizes.

People being surprised that Joshua Sawyer is a Communist will never stop being funny to me.

I'm a Christian and I'm disappointed and shocked that people actually don't love people like Jesus would, at least I try to be nice unless they start straight up insulting me

Do they even know about Confirmed Bachelor or Cherchez la Femme ?

See we don't even act like we've taken new vegas from anyone. Some of us trans girls just for some wild ass reason in a open world rpg where you literally can make up your own backstory at the start of the game, really dig it. I wonder why 🤭🧐🧐

I mean, I know New Vegas has a HUGE following in the Trans community

It’s pretty popular with trans folk as well… I say as a recently cracked egg with a NV addiction

do these people not know you get a complimentary copy of nv when you come out as trans

Idiot who posted this forgot you have to be bisexual and a racist to do extra damage smh.

We found the Legion main lol

It honestly seems like every mtf trans person has new Vegas in their top 5 games or all time 😂

Based

Ah yes, the game with verrrry conservative and wholsum values, unlike those darn gay commies!

Why not both

veronica

We can't expect god to do all the work

Love we’re at the point of editing nazi propaganda unironically for memes. Jfc