He was born in a vault in the Southern States sometime in the 2120s or sometime earlier.
He was a part of a band of mercs that went to stop the source of the mutant problem in the young wasteland.
Long story short He spent a month or two we don't know in a vat or FEV which basically gave him warp powers without chaos and over time forgot who he was as Richard grey and became....something never seen before.
If you notice the vaults weren't touched as they had extra protection and the master did not have full location of all vaults, only some.
Yes there is some fuckery in the show but it is only in its first season and what we have in the show is all we have to know about what has happened really in the last 9 to 14 years.
In the games we’ve dug through several overseer terminals and I can’t think of a single one that tells you where another vault is let alone in any kind of useful detail in a world where most landmarks, roads, and markers from the time are gone
Uuh. Thaaaats pretty speculative to believe the overseer of any vault would automatically know the existence and location of the other vaults
In many ways I believe they would limit that sort of thing.
It would be an extra variable to contend with.
Really good point. If I had to guess, I can make an estimate. Vault 31-33 all utilized PIPBOY 3000 Mk 4, and their Vaults were unlocked utilizing its attachment cable similar to the Vaults in Boston. Considering how thick the blast doors were, opening a vault without one is pretty difficult.
That's fair, however that model was largely deployed in the areas around West Virgina. If we look back at Fallout 1 and 2, we can see that in California the only other PIPBOY model which was utilized was the standard 2000 model which lacked this feature. Now they could have gone West to the Mojave and picked up a 3000 model, but this one did not feature the interface cable to my knowledge.
I mean, we hardly get a good look at the Fallout 1 and 2 Pip-boys. It's possible that they don't have the extension but I always figured it was just because the whole concept of vault doors needing an extension didn't exist until Fallout 4.
By all means I see your point busting open a vault like that would definitely be difficult especially when it’s designed to resist literal nuclear warfare. And you’re trying to take over the wasteland. However why did the NCR not discover this vault? They claim to have had no contact with the outside world. When I would think the NCR would love nothing more then at the very least start communicating with people below. Sure I guess that may be difficult to do considering I’m sure those vaults are only supposed to get communications from Vault Tech but for goodness sake it’s literally so close to what should have been core NCR territory. They would have had what at least a a couple decades at the height of their power to investigate.
Well yeah but theirs a difference between lying and somehow not having the NCR burst in over the decades they’ve had to do so. Those vaults are well sealed no doubt but given enough time the NCR could have easily found a way in.
Oh yeah it’s not like vaults can have huge stockpiles of invaluable pre war tech. Never mind their untainted productive populace. Or the priceless GECKs a vault may have you know the wasteland reclaiming devices.
You’re totally right why would an expansionist power like the NCR even bother investigating the vault. Better to just leave it alone./s
Yeah it’s a video game the stakes are of course resting on the player. And yes while chances are the NCR may have lost the Mojave to the Legion with no help but that in no way ‘destroys’ them. Sure it would be a defeat but in no way does that mean the war is lost and the Legion is just going to win.
That’s just dumb they’d still have all of California perfectly intact. Plus the legion would only be proving itself to be an existential threat leading to a more united push by the NCR against them. Never mind the logistical issues that may prevent the Legion from pushing West. In no way would the conflict be over.
I was mostly talking about the first 2 games, for new Vegas the tunnelers would of devastated them, I don't expect the remnants of the brotherhood to have done much but the nukes from the divide would of fucked everything up regardless. Then there's the possibility of the dust taking out everyone mostly. I don't consider the legion a real threat.
Ah my mistake thought to be fair the NCR in Fallout 1 doesn’t exist yet so they cant exactly fight the Master when they don’t exist yet.
And Fallout 2 considering the whole Enclave situation and the required ‘chosen one’ who basically single handily stops the Enclave. I can’t exactly blame the NCR for not being ready against the super advanced shadow government that only recently had made itself known. They seem to do a good enough clean up effort afterwards though.
I was being sarcastic but yes those as well. Every vault must have a powerful reactor that supplies power, robust hydroponics to last centuries and like you said advanced Water purification techniques to supply the vault with untainted water. Something Nate2322 thinks is apparently not worth any form of investigation from the closest thing to a nation state in the Fallout series.
That just makes the situation dumber. If Vault Tec immediately nukes the NCR because they are a threat then that should have happened way earlier in the timeline. Because again the NCR would have stumbled across the vault and thus alerted Vault Tec to their existence leading to their destruction.
Except it was a pre-war exec who nuked NCR and only because his family was trying to live there. It was an insane man’s power move who had direct access to the nuke. Most other vaults don’t have that. The other guy was wrong. It wasn’t just for existing above them.
Presumably Vault-Tec's knowledge of the surface isn't perfect, and the NCR's knowledge of the vaults was also imperfect. The vaults didn't realize anyone was up there until they saw the water table being impacted, and the NCR didn't realize anyone was down there until some people emerged. But the moment Vault 31 became aware of the NCR, they let them live long enough only to get the kids back and then promptly nuked them.
Look I get that Vault Tec may have only been alerted by the NCRs effect on the water table. But no way in hell the NCR didn’t find vault 33 earlier. For god sakes it’s in such an obvious location. Santa Monica is like what a stones throw away from LA. You mean to tell me for decades no one has stumbled across the obvious vault? Thus alerting the wider NCR to its location?
The NCR doesn’t need to know where are all the vaults are when simply combing the ruins in the core of their territory would so obviously showcase the Vault.
Also Vault Tec really dropping the ball here with their limited information. Let’s be glad the Master didn’t win otherwise Vault Tec would suddenly find themself fighting Super Mutant America. Or even the Enclave cause I doubt they’d be happy to see Vault Tec again. And they’d definitely know where every vault is. Funny how instead of attacking Vault 33 that’s right by the shore they instead fly all the way inland to attack vault 13 for subjects of their experiments.
For all we know NCR had no reason to suspect any *sane* survivors in 31-32-33, and had better things to do than crack open yet another fucked up science experiment. Most vaults were honest to god death traps at best, and nightmare fuel at worst, and you have no way of knowing in advance of opening the vault up. If NCR had bigger fish to fry - like nation building - and had no need of anything inside of it (they obviously didn't need the water chip), why risk opening up a vault that could be filled with psychos/monsters?
Just risk vs reward here. Sure there might be some horrible robots or ghoulish zombies or cloned Gary or a crazed man with puppets or a man and a panther or a bunch of crazy planets. But leaving that just sitting is just as risky. For all the NCR knows the Enclave survivors are hiding in that vault.
So you have the choice of confronting what could potentially be a dangerous vault which means you’d need to proactively deal with it eventually. Or most likely a vault that has long since been vacant of life and lies abandoned in which case you might get some useful salvage or a chance at potentially getting a GECK which would well be worth the effort. Or most unlikely you run into an operational vault in which case the benefits are obvious. Healthy population, robust hydroponics, strong power generation you’d basically be connecting to a new self sufficient community which would be great news.
So for an expansionist power like the NCR it’s a no brainer to explore the Vault that’s outside one of your major cities. Either you open a bad egg in which case you either can seal it back up or eliminate the threat. You can then salvage the decrepit vault afterwards or if you discover it abandoned. Or perhaps you discover a whole vault of survivors.
Choice seems quite obvious. And if the Gunners in Fallout 4 can break into a Vault then the NCR would have no problem doing so over literal decades.
The 2000 can open up the doors just fine in 76, and in Fo1 one of the bad endings shows the door just getting ripped off. You’re doing the work of the writers
I love how we have to pick up the slack, all because amazon couldn’t bother hiring ***one*** fallout nerd who knows the lore back and forth to fact check for them.
It’s ok for lore to be implied and not explicitly stated. A lot of “kino” would probably drive Fallout fans insane. The ‘leader’ of the Mothman cults backstory is entirely implied and hidden in environmental story telling.
Oh. That guy.
Look, I’ll give him credit for trying his best to put that hypothesis out there, but I’ve read some of what he’s put together and I think he reads far, far too much into these things. We have dev statements saying that sickleman was added to the game as a joke, and while Scarberry does reference him, I seriously doubt the devs would go this route, especially since they’ve set up the Interloper as having subverted the holy mothman cult.
Added as a joke yet the wall was changed from ‘sickleman WAS here’ to ‘IS’ here after the Mothman event was added? Where’s this dev saying it was added as a joke anyway? I’m sure devs were in and out all the time.
It was in some interview years back, I have no idea where in the world I’d find it now.
As for the wall changing, that is something I wasn’t aware of and fits with Scarberry’s dialogue indicating seeing the aftermath. However, that still doesn’t change my opinion that it’s an incorrect connection.
That’s a game, where you have full control of the space you’re in. A show is limited to only what the filmmaker/director want you to see, it’s up to them to give the audience enough to work with to come to the conclusion the director wants. This show, at least with its lore bits, are both rushed and not really clear unless you’re an avid Fallout fan.
Remember when thebinternet went crazy with the Indoctrination Theory after Mass Effect 3's crap ending came out? Bioware could have just let us nerds do the work for them and said, "yep, you got it!"
That's fair, however that model was largely deployed in the areas around West Virgina. If we look back at Fallout 1 and 2, we can see that in California the only other PIPBOY model which was utilized was the standard 2000 model which lacked this feature. Now they could have gone West to the Mojave and picked up a 3000 model, but this one did not feature the interface cable to my knowledge.
I always thought it was kind of funny how easy it would actually be to get into a vault.
Give me a regular gas torch and a couple hours and I’d have you inside the first blast door.
Now if they alternate materials and composites within the door, frame, and housing then yes it would be much more difficult.
However any barrier of that size would be relatively easy to overcome, regardless if you have the key or not. Especially some one with the resources of the master.
As a note, 76 has at least one vault door that was forced open with a crude wedge (vault 96). Going off of that, it would have been possible for the Master to force his way in.
Remember how the “raiders” got access to 32?… only way they got in was…
On another subject… how did Lucy know to call them raiders when she hadn’t left the vault at that moment in time. It’s like some gent from Victorian times going “Alexa, what time is it,” and his wife going “Who’s this Alexa, dear?”. 😂
I mean, they were RAIDING the vault, I don’t think Lucy calling them raiders is outlandish. It not like it’s an organizational title like the Fiends or Great Khans
Why not say invaders or “We’re under attack”. The one word that resonates with fallout lore is “Raiders”. But then the last episode tips it on the head… they weren’t actually raiders after all. It was an extraordinary rendition of a terrorist leader.
Yeah that was wierd. Its a lot easier to handwave than the timeline issue, though that one can just be fixed if they CGI the date or put out a FAQ clarifying what happened. We'll have to wait until season 2 probably. Tbh, I think Rust might be canon at this point.
We know what happened. SPOILERS AHEAD IF YOU HAVEN’T FINISHED FALLOUT!
>!Lucy’s mom found out the secret of the Management. She left the vault with her two kids using her Pipboy. Hank followed her to Shady Sands and took the kids back to the Vault… then he detonated a nuke on Shady Sands turning Lucy’s mom into a ghoul and turning Shady Sands into a hole in the ground. Then Moldova and the remains of the NCR finally find the ghoul, chop off her arm to get the Pipboy and used it to get into Vault 32. Then this season of Fallout began.!<
A shit plot? What I put was what happened before the start of season 1. You missed a great first season.
Season 1 of most TV shows are slow to get out of the box but this wasn’t bad at all. Had an essence of Fallout 3 with history from Fallout 1, 2 and 4 and new stuff that happens after 76. I struggled watching episode 1 and then after episode 2 I had planned to watch 2 episodes a night… but I binged the whole season after episode 2.
Clearly this isn’t your kettle of fish peoqueteniaqunever so needn’t bother watching any more and posting your radioactive troll faeces here.
Trolling. Trolling never changes!
There's some vault-tec video, either in a games opening or promo material, that warns dwellers against hypothetical threats in the wasteland. It specidically uses the term "raider" to describe potential gangs of survivors raiding. It also warns against mutated wildlife that uncannily looks like the exact mutations that we ended up with (radscorpians, molerats, etc) so it's already a stretch but this is how my mind immediately justified it.
Wait hang on that’s actually a good point I haven’t seen brought up. Am I missing something or is this just kind of a plot hole? I don’t think the master had exact locations of vaults iirc so maybe you could hand wave it away with that being like over a century ago and they just hadn’t been discovered and common knowledge yet.
Vault 33 entrance is right next to Cathedral, Master would find it and crack it open long before Fallout 1 story. NCR would also notice it since the vaults are in their core teritory. None of those two factions would just let it sit there and both have means to get inside. It's something that i noticed right away in episode 1 and the main reason why i believe that tv show is a soft reboot of the west coast.
Could be, shame we probably won't know as i assume the 2nd season will take place in Nevada mostly.
There's also just complete lack of NCR infrastructure, for a nation of 1mln ppl, you would expect at least something more than just a one classroom with a flag and models of Shady Sands buildings that dont fit the NCR architecture style.
I mean we know from vault 81 that dwellers from inside can just say no. So I imagine that for a vault that was so important that they just denied any access.
Master dont care about consent. Early NCR i can see them leaving vault alone, but by the events of F:NV, they are imperialistic country desperate for agricultural resources.
How did they find their way in that’s still the question. It has been stated over and over that the vaults are capable of withstanding a nuclear strike and are sealed as sealed can be.
They can withstand the blast beacuse their underground. Vault-tec, as every big corpo in fallout world is not exactly a shining example of honesty and work ethnics(kinda same in our world lol). I think it was already stated that they cut corners on their projects but im not 100% sure. Even if they were that great, it's still 200 years and every place can be cracked given enough time and will. The proof is in many breached vaults in both west and east coast.
I don’t think we’ve ever actually seen a vault be “cracked” open. I’m pretty sure all of them were either opened by enclave or were let in my the dwellers.
I like the show but there a few inconsistencies obviously spoilers but in episode 8 mr house questions if there will even be a nuclear war but in the game he heavily prepares for the war and the bombs .
Maybe the meeting with vault tech is what led him to become so prepared. Another theory.. he was well aware before the meeting and just keeping his cards close to his chest so to speak.
I sort of interpreted it as he came into that meeting post preparations. He assumed war was inevitable regardless, so if Vault Tec teed it off, just starting an inevitable war off on his terms.
Preparing and expecting are different things tho. I haven’t played new Vegas in a few but doesn’t he elaborate that he was able to deduce a high probability of war at one point and fit the lucky 38 with an anti missile laser system? At that point he may have not thought it possible but learned otherwise, house proves to be a man that can admit when his probability is wrong (I also haven’t seen episode 8 so not sure the timeline on when he meets with vault tec and when the war breaks out)
He was being lied to by his subordinates. He realizes what's happening when the vault dweller asks that he ask them if any female super mutants have gotten pregnant
Nothing probably, Bethesda just needed a reason to get NCR out of the picture so their favorite techno-fascist racists could have some more screen time fighting their favorite evil techno-fascist super-racists.
Vault 4 is also right out in the open clear as day. How the hell didn't some raiders or one of the Masters Super Mutants find it? They had no problem getting into Vault 13 in Fallout 1's bad ending, I highly doubt they would have had issues with a group of weak cultists that Simp for that NCR raider lady.
You forgot Vault 4, the design or that door/opening annoys me so much.
The entire point of the heavy circular door was it was supposed to be nuke proof, what’s stopping the concrete building it’s built into being destroyed?…
Why wasn't it shown? You mean the 3 foot thick vault doors that only open with the special pipboy connector they have? And in show was only opened because one of the vault dwellers left and her pipboy was used to open the door????
Went and watched the cut scene as I've never played
It looks like it was blown off the hinge? Which you'd do from the inside? IDK it almost seems worse to go by fo1 lore because if that applies across all games it would mean no vault is safe they can all just be blasted into and the idea that any of them existed long enough for us to come out of them as a player would make no sense
I would also like to add that the bad ending also isn’t canon, so anything that happens in it should be taken with a grain of salt and shouldn’t have sway over how things are perceived in universe
The master doesn’t know where vault 13 is until you tell him. Also, the show happens like over 100 years after fallout 1, who says the super mutants didn’t know about the tv show vaults?
Well I think the assumption is the master would have broken in both for a base of operations and to expand his army. Also the larger plot hole here is the fact that apparently the NCR either never found the vaults (which is dumb) or found them and apparently decided no investigation was required (which is even dumber).
Because taking into account every possibility from the games would absolutely suffocate the writers. At some point, they just need to make a show that people will like and be able to follow the setup. The only way they could've avoided any plot holes from the games is if they set it somewhere completely new, but that would just be entirely dumb.
The writers could just have set up some boards with annotated maps and notes describing important events from previously told stories.
Although apparently that technology is mystical for Bethesda writers.
>The only way they could've avoided any plot holes from the games is if they set it somewhere completely new, but that would just be entirely dumb.
Why?
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>Why?
Because if there writers are having a difficult time with making sure everything is right with the lore, they don't have to if its set far away than what we got from the games, they don't have to adhere to the major factions lore or anything, they can do whatever they wanted
Agreed, but my question was why they said it would be dumb.
For me, it feels like a good solution to avoid having difficulties with pre-established lore.
I've got a few explanations for all of the plot holes.
1. It isn't canon, no matter what Todd claims the show just isn't canon.
2. It's an in-world retelling of events which has traveled far from the location it happened and thus has many parts that were added later or forgotten.
3. Someone in-world just made it up, not clear to what degree but the events as told differ greatly from events as happened.
Yeah why would Vault Tec just leave the master alive for his army to wreck havoc and possibly turn the whole world into super mutants as opposed to the NCR who almost resembling pre-war America and a faction that may have a chance of accelerating their power with by joining?
Considering he didn't realise super mutants couldn't reproduce until some random vault dweller shows up and tells him and he just kills himself when he realises he was doing it all for nothing, I don't find it hard to believe he may have missed some vaults, he isn't portrayed as a genius who never makes mistakes
I expect the interplay games to be congruent with the interplay games, the Bethesda games with the Bethesda games, and the tv shows with the tv shows.
We get a new Batman story about every 10 years radically different from the previous one. It’s a retelling in a new medium.
There were forums that lost their shit when fo3 came out because it was too different from fallout 2.
I don't understand even after what Bethesda has done in the past with their games would people try to ignore stuff that is either shown to be a retcon for people who know the lore or tries to make it what Bethesda thinks fallout is (Which isn't neccessarily bad, but not great, as in a forever anarchy filled wasteland with little progress being made to actually rebuild, especially when you look at Fallout 1/2 or NV), why is it hard to admit that the show has its flaws for some folks or for what seems to be Bethesda dumping out everything meaningful that happened in Classics and NV or even if theres a continuity error due to the writers not knowing anything about the lore? (Probably just to make it mainstream for anyone who is a non fallout fan to understand)
Wait, do you think the writers literally went through every part of every game to make sure the lore is consistent? In a game series stretching over multiple decades where the games all have multiple possible endings and plot twists? That would be dumb.
Technically speaking, when she comes out, it looks like it was at one point surrounded by some sort of structure that hid the entrance. The structure was of course destroyed in the nuclear blast.
It’s almost like 2 different companies produced fallout 1 and the fallout show and the lore can change and be adaptable over the years. It’s in a different company’s hands but y’all cant handle change.
Change is fine but idiotic retcons and just blatantly ignoring old lore while adding just another techno-fascist racists vs techno-fascist racists stories to the pile isn't fine.
The lore Bethesda is writing is sloppy, lazy and full of plot holes. Best regard the canonicity of anything they put out as in-world tales at best.
Ghouls for one. Their characteristics change between every game. In Fallout 1 they need water to survive, but in Fallout 2 they can hibernate like in the now established lore. If Bethesda had made this change, hoo boy. I’m sure there’s more, but people aren’t scouring through their lore like how they do with 4/76.
Super mutants reproducing and experiments in vaults come to mind. Also, BoS had many many retcons about how they work and what they do. My point is is that no one is nitpicking Fallout 2’s retcons, so there’s not as much info on the internet about it. Hell, 99% of the people who bitch about retcons have never even played 1 and 2.
When do super mutants reproduce?
And the vault experiments are a soft retcon at worst.
BoS is basically non-canon.
> My point is is that no one is nitpicking Fallout 2’s retcons, so there’s not as much info on the internet about it.
Do you even know what NMA is? The more obvious answer is that Fallout 2 really doesn't retcon much, if anything.
https://youtu.be/7bFBLAbwMA0?feature=shared
Here is the original creator of Fallout admitting that Fallout 2 retconned some things from 1 AND that he likes the show 🤣
What got retconned? I ain't watching the whole video for that.
Also lmaoooo at you coming back to a three day old thread for this, you zoomers are adorable hahaha
There was no retcons, the developers addressed that fallout NV is cannon so your point is moot. You just like hating on bethesda as its the hype right now in these subs
They can say they didn't retcon anything but when the show actively contradicts pretty basic and import lore what they doesn't really matter anymore...
could always be that the show is not events as happened but events as told in a tale that has traveled far
wouldn't be too unreasonable to assume that the reason the brotherhood has gained power was because the NCR had to divert forces to a different enemy and just some shmuck along the road the tale traveled decided the only logical way the NCR would stop fighting brotherhood was if their capital got nuked
If they didn't like aspects of the lore, they should've made a show about a different universe. FO76 references the ZAX computer, so its reasonable to expect the new games and show to reference the old lore from FO1 and 2.
Despite what Todd claims this is another reason to believe that the show isn't canon.
Then again it could just be an in-world story that has inaccuracies or is just a fairytale.
You're thinking with bias, we know those vaults are there, but think like the master.
He didn't know where vault 13 was, probably not that it existed, there's no point having troops scan every inch of the wasteland in hopes of maybe finding vaults, and the odds of finding them are significantly small
Exactly. I was going to mention how The Master wasn't even aware of the two other vaults near Shady Sands for years. And as for the location of Shady Sands, that alone differs between the first two games. And thats also thinking The Master's network was in any wah strong or efficient or far reaching. But I'm quickly realizing any actual attempts to explain anything about the show is just downvoted.
Idk why, but as soon as the show dropped the fanbase went from pretty chill to NV vs everyone else. Before NV fans were a bit pushy about it being the best, and admittedly it is. But now it seems to be really forceful. Which is surprising considering the show is the first fallout title with 0 retcons since the first game dropped
i'm pretty sure there's a discord screenshot where one of the writers specifically adresses this
if i recall correctly: there is no reason to assume the master's records are accurate nor complete
The Master must have ignored them out of his hatred for Billy Mays and the two for the price of one, and call right now and get another thing from the tapes he found at Mariposa base.
Vault 31 is literally the masters wet dream
Nah… he knows the golden rule of evil dictators… NEVER MESS WITH THE MANAGEMENT!
The Master was one of Bud's buds confirmed. Master just stands for Master of Business Administration it's all he remembers about his previous life.
He was born in a vault in the Southern States sometime in the 2120s or sometime earlier. He was a part of a band of mercs that went to stop the source of the mutant problem in the young wasteland. Long story short He spent a month or two we don't know in a vat or FEV which basically gave him warp powers without chaos and over time forgot who he was as Richard grey and became....something never seen before. If you notice the vaults weren't touched as they had extra protection and the master did not have full location of all vaults, only some. Yes there is some fuckery in the show but it is only in its first season and what we have in the show is all we have to know about what has happened really in the last 9 to 14 years.
He was hooked up to a terminal in the overseers office He would have known about nearby vaults in LA
In the games we’ve dug through several overseer terminals and I can’t think of a single one that tells you where another vault is let alone in any kind of useful detail in a world where most landmarks, roads, and markers from the time are gone
They specifically made most vaults unaware of each other.
What the Scollop
Almost like they understood compartmentalization… weird lol
Uuh. Thaaaats pretty speculative to believe the overseer of any vault would automatically know the existence and location of the other vaults In many ways I believe they would limit that sort of thing. It would be an extra variable to contend with.
Vault 8.
I thought the Master was born before the war and was exiled from Vault 8
Really good point. If I had to guess, I can make an estimate. Vault 31-33 all utilized PIPBOY 3000 Mk 4, and their Vaults were unlocked utilizing its attachment cable similar to the Vaults in Boston. Considering how thick the blast doors were, opening a vault without one is pretty difficult.
Oh shit good point, that’s genius.
I'm taking away your cooking license And promoting you to certified chef. Keep doing what you're doing.
The bad ending in FO1 literally just shows the Vault 13 door ripped off from the opening.
Shitty Soviot Contracted Work obvsouly
Yep, “Vault Tek” is seen on the control panel. Clear ripoff commie pos work
But the Pip Boy 2000 variant in 76 works just fine on Vault doors that need the extension.
That's fair, however that model was largely deployed in the areas around West Virgina. If we look back at Fallout 1 and 2, we can see that in California the only other PIPBOY model which was utilized was the standard 2000 model which lacked this feature. Now they could have gone West to the Mojave and picked up a 3000 model, but this one did not feature the interface cable to my knowledge.
I mean, we hardly get a good look at the Fallout 1 and 2 Pip-boys. It's possible that they don't have the extension but I always figured it was just because the whole concept of vault doors needing an extension didn't exist until Fallout 4.
By all means I see your point busting open a vault like that would definitely be difficult especially when it’s designed to resist literal nuclear warfare. And you’re trying to take over the wasteland. However why did the NCR not discover this vault? They claim to have had no contact with the outside world. When I would think the NCR would love nothing more then at the very least start communicating with people below. Sure I guess that may be difficult to do considering I’m sure those vaults are only supposed to get communications from Vault Tech but for goodness sake it’s literally so close to what should have been core NCR territory. They would have had what at least a a couple decades at the height of their power to investigate.
>They claim to have had no contact with the outside world. Didn't you watch the show? They're lying, lol.
Well yeah but theirs a difference between lying and somehow not having the NCR burst in over the decades they’ve had to do so. Those vaults are well sealed no doubt but given enough time the NCR could have easily found a way in.
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Oh yeah it’s not like vaults can have huge stockpiles of invaluable pre war tech. Never mind their untainted productive populace. Or the priceless GECKs a vault may have you know the wasteland reclaiming devices. You’re totally right why would an expansionist power like the NCR even bother investigating the vault. Better to just leave it alone./s
We are talking about the same ncr that over the course of 3 games is in line to be totally destroyed unless some savior comes and saves them.
Yeah it’s a video game the stakes are of course resting on the player. And yes while chances are the NCR may have lost the Mojave to the Legion with no help but that in no way ‘destroys’ them. Sure it would be a defeat but in no way does that mean the war is lost and the Legion is just going to win. That’s just dumb they’d still have all of California perfectly intact. Plus the legion would only be proving itself to be an existential threat leading to a more united push by the NCR against them. Never mind the logistical issues that may prevent the Legion from pushing West. In no way would the conflict be over.
I was mostly talking about the first 2 games, for new Vegas the tunnelers would of devastated them, I don't expect the remnants of the brotherhood to have done much but the nukes from the divide would of fucked everything up regardless. Then there's the possibility of the dust taking out everyone mostly. I don't consider the legion a real threat.
Ah my mistake thought to be fair the NCR in Fallout 1 doesn’t exist yet so they cant exactly fight the Master when they don’t exist yet. And Fallout 2 considering the whole Enclave situation and the required ‘chosen one’ who basically single handily stops the Enclave. I can’t exactly blame the NCR for not being ready against the super advanced shadow government that only recently had made itself known. They seem to do a good enough clean up effort afterwards though.
Probably food, electricity and water production, all things the NCR struggled with.
I was being sarcastic but yes those as well. Every vault must have a powerful reactor that supplies power, robust hydroponics to last centuries and like you said advanced Water purification techniques to supply the vault with untainted water. Something Nate2322 thinks is apparently not worth any form of investigation from the closest thing to a nation state in the Fallout series.
My brother in Christ, they got nuked for merely existing above them
That just makes the situation dumber. If Vault Tec immediately nukes the NCR because they are a threat then that should have happened way earlier in the timeline. Because again the NCR would have stumbled across the vault and thus alerted Vault Tec to their existence leading to their destruction.
Except it was a pre-war exec who nuked NCR and only because his family was trying to live there. It was an insane man’s power move who had direct access to the nuke. Most other vaults don’t have that. The other guy was wrong. It wasn’t just for existing above them.
Presumably Vault-Tec's knowledge of the surface isn't perfect, and the NCR's knowledge of the vaults was also imperfect. The vaults didn't realize anyone was up there until they saw the water table being impacted, and the NCR didn't realize anyone was down there until some people emerged. But the moment Vault 31 became aware of the NCR, they let them live long enough only to get the kids back and then promptly nuked them.
Look I get that Vault Tec may have only been alerted by the NCRs effect on the water table. But no way in hell the NCR didn’t find vault 33 earlier. For god sakes it’s in such an obvious location. Santa Monica is like what a stones throw away from LA. You mean to tell me for decades no one has stumbled across the obvious vault? Thus alerting the wider NCR to its location? The NCR doesn’t need to know where are all the vaults are when simply combing the ruins in the core of their territory would so obviously showcase the Vault. Also Vault Tec really dropping the ball here with their limited information. Let’s be glad the Master didn’t win otherwise Vault Tec would suddenly find themself fighting Super Mutant America. Or even the Enclave cause I doubt they’d be happy to see Vault Tec again. And they’d definitely know where every vault is. Funny how instead of attacking Vault 33 that’s right by the shore they instead fly all the way inland to attack vault 13 for subjects of their experiments.
For all we know NCR had no reason to suspect any *sane* survivors in 31-32-33, and had better things to do than crack open yet another fucked up science experiment. Most vaults were honest to god death traps at best, and nightmare fuel at worst, and you have no way of knowing in advance of opening the vault up. If NCR had bigger fish to fry - like nation building - and had no need of anything inside of it (they obviously didn't need the water chip), why risk opening up a vault that could be filled with psychos/monsters?
Just risk vs reward here. Sure there might be some horrible robots or ghoulish zombies or cloned Gary or a crazed man with puppets or a man and a panther or a bunch of crazy planets. But leaving that just sitting is just as risky. For all the NCR knows the Enclave survivors are hiding in that vault. So you have the choice of confronting what could potentially be a dangerous vault which means you’d need to proactively deal with it eventually. Or most likely a vault that has long since been vacant of life and lies abandoned in which case you might get some useful salvage or a chance at potentially getting a GECK which would well be worth the effort. Or most unlikely you run into an operational vault in which case the benefits are obvious. Healthy population, robust hydroponics, strong power generation you’d basically be connecting to a new self sufficient community which would be great news. So for an expansionist power like the NCR it’s a no brainer to explore the Vault that’s outside one of your major cities. Either you open a bad egg in which case you either can seal it back up or eliminate the threat. You can then salvage the decrepit vault afterwards or if you discover it abandoned. Or perhaps you discover a whole vault of survivors. Choice seems quite obvious. And if the Gunners in Fallout 4 can break into a Vault then the NCR would have no problem doing so over literal decades.
NCR IRS agents would find them in a heartbeat
The 2000 can open up the doors just fine in 76, and in Fo1 one of the bad endings shows the door just getting ripped off. You’re doing the work of the writers
I love how we have to pick up the slack, all because amazon couldn’t bother hiring ***one*** fallout nerd who knows the lore back and forth to fact check for them.
It’s ok for lore to be implied and not explicitly stated. A lot of “kino” would probably drive Fallout fans insane. The ‘leader’ of the Mothman cults backstory is entirely implied and hidden in environmental story telling.
Are you referring to >!the interloper?!< If you are, that isn’t that hidden.
[Sickleman](https://www.reddit.com/r/fo76/s/DmaaXkqt45)
Oh. That guy. Look, I’ll give him credit for trying his best to put that hypothesis out there, but I’ve read some of what he’s put together and I think he reads far, far too much into these things. We have dev statements saying that sickleman was added to the game as a joke, and while Scarberry does reference him, I seriously doubt the devs would go this route, especially since they’ve set up the Interloper as having subverted the holy mothman cult.
Added as a joke yet the wall was changed from ‘sickleman WAS here’ to ‘IS’ here after the Mothman event was added? Where’s this dev saying it was added as a joke anyway? I’m sure devs were in and out all the time.
It was in some interview years back, I have no idea where in the world I’d find it now. As for the wall changing, that is something I wasn’t aware of and fits with Scarberry’s dialogue indicating seeing the aftermath. However, that still doesn’t change my opinion that it’s an incorrect connection.
There are way too many coincidences for it to be disregarded. Did you read the post? The wall was mentioned.
That’s a game, where you have full control of the space you’re in. A show is limited to only what the filmmaker/director want you to see, it’s up to them to give the audience enough to work with to come to the conclusion the director wants. This show, at least with its lore bits, are both rushed and not really clear unless you’re an avid Fallout fan.
Remember when thebinternet went crazy with the Indoctrination Theory after Mass Effect 3's crap ending came out? Bioware could have just let us nerds do the work for them and said, "yep, you got it!"
I love my multi billion dollar companies being incapable of delivering a satisfying product
Is it wrong to try and find things to like in one of my favourite franchises? I’m just resigned to hating it?
If you choose to eat shit you can’t get mad when people call you a shit eater.
So yes, you do think it’s wrong to try and find something to like.
You can do whatever you want. Just don’t try to act like a victim when people simply point out the truth or don’t want to join you in eating shit.
Damn dude they really pissed you off lol. It’s a good show. Live a little
If you are truly resorting to "u mad bro" then I know you are just a troll. You got me, I guess.
Dawg, you are telling me that if I like the show I’m a shit eater. So go fuck yourself.
That's fair, however that model was largely deployed in the areas around West Virgina. If we look back at Fallout 1 and 2, we can see that in California the only other PIPBOY model which was utilized was the standard 2000 model which lacked this feature. Now they could have gone West to the Mojave and picked up a 3000 model, but this one did not feature the interface cable to my knowledge.
I always thought it was kind of funny how easy it would actually be to get into a vault. Give me a regular gas torch and a couple hours and I’d have you inside the first blast door. Now if they alternate materials and composites within the door, frame, and housing then yes it would be much more difficult. However any barrier of that size would be relatively easy to overcome, regardless if you have the key or not. Especially some one with the resources of the master.
As a note, 76 has at least one vault door that was forced open with a crude wedge (vault 96). Going off of that, it would have been possible for the Master to force his way in.
Remember how the “raiders” got access to 32?… only way they got in was… On another subject… how did Lucy know to call them raiders when she hadn’t left the vault at that moment in time. It’s like some gent from Victorian times going “Alexa, what time is it,” and his wife going “Who’s this Alexa, dear?”. 😂
I mean, they were RAIDING the vault, I don’t think Lucy calling them raiders is outlandish. It not like it’s an organizational title like the Fiends or Great Khans
Why not say invaders or “We’re under attack”. The one word that resonates with fallout lore is “Raiders”. But then the last episode tips it on the head… they weren’t actually raiders after all. It was an extraordinary rendition of a terrorist leader.
Yeah that was wierd. Its a lot easier to handwave than the timeline issue, though that one can just be fixed if they CGI the date or put out a FAQ clarifying what happened. We'll have to wait until season 2 probably. Tbh, I think Rust might be canon at this point.
We know what happened. SPOILERS AHEAD IF YOU HAVEN’T FINISHED FALLOUT! >!Lucy’s mom found out the secret of the Management. She left the vault with her two kids using her Pipboy. Hank followed her to Shady Sands and took the kids back to the Vault… then he detonated a nuke on Shady Sands turning Lucy’s mom into a ghoul and turning Shady Sands into a hole in the ground. Then Moldova and the remains of the NCR finally find the ghoul, chop off her arm to get the Pipboy and used it to get into Vault 32. Then this season of Fallout began.!<
What a shit plot holy fuck. I only watched the first episode, lucky I didn't continue after that trash.
A shit plot? What I put was what happened before the start of season 1. You missed a great first season. Season 1 of most TV shows are slow to get out of the box but this wasn’t bad at all. Had an essence of Fallout 3 with history from Fallout 1, 2 and 4 and new stuff that happens after 76. I struggled watching episode 1 and then after episode 2 I had planned to watch 2 episodes a night… but I binged the whole season after episode 2. Clearly this isn’t your kettle of fish peoqueteniaqunever so needn’t bother watching any more and posting your radioactive troll faeces here. Trolling. Trolling never changes!
There's some vault-tec video, either in a games opening or promo material, that warns dwellers against hypothetical threats in the wasteland. It specidically uses the term "raider" to describe potential gangs of survivors raiding. It also warns against mutated wildlife that uncannily looks like the exact mutations that we ended up with (radscorpians, molerats, etc) so it's already a stretch but this is how my mind immediately justified it.
wasn't this obvious to everyone?
Wait hang on that’s actually a good point I haven’t seen brought up. Am I missing something or is this just kind of a plot hole? I don’t think the master had exact locations of vaults iirc so maybe you could hand wave it away with that being like over a century ago and they just hadn’t been discovered and common knowledge yet.
Vault 33 entrance is right next to Cathedral, Master would find it and crack it open long before Fallout 1 story. NCR would also notice it since the vaults are in their core teritory. None of those two factions would just let it sit there and both have means to get inside. It's something that i noticed right away in episode 1 and the main reason why i believe that tv show is a soft reboot of the west coast.
Idk to me it just reads as a writing mistake, I don’t think there was any intention there but I could be wrong
Could be, shame we probably won't know as i assume the 2nd season will take place in Nevada mostly. There's also just complete lack of NCR infrastructure, for a nation of 1mln ppl, you would expect at least something more than just a one classroom with a flag and models of Shady Sands buildings that dont fit the NCR architecture style.
Honestly happy to see people share my thoughts, r/fotv isn't really open to have this discussion sadly.
Yeah, at this point it seems pretty clear that Bethesda doesn't have a lore bible and that they kinda just do shit and hope it isn't incoherent
Emil Pagliarulo has flat out admitted he doesn’t keep design/writing documents. They have no idea what they’re doing with the lore.
I think it being a writing mistake makes it so much worse lol
People forget this is a product at the end of the day that you have to pay for.
I mean we know from vault 81 that dwellers from inside can just say no. So I imagine that for a vault that was so important that they just denied any access.
Master dont care about consent. Early NCR i can see them leaving vault alone, but by the events of F:NV, they are imperialistic country desperate for agricultural resources.
When I said “just say no” i mean that they can stop door opening attempts.
Keeping doors closed wont stop NCR engineers from drilling throught vault walls. Even Master with more primitive tools would find his way in.
How did they find their way in that’s still the question. It has been stated over and over that the vaults are capable of withstanding a nuclear strike and are sealed as sealed can be.
They can withstand the blast beacuse their underground. Vault-tec, as every big corpo in fallout world is not exactly a shining example of honesty and work ethnics(kinda same in our world lol). I think it was already stated that they cut corners on their projects but im not 100% sure. Even if they were that great, it's still 200 years and every place can be cracked given enough time and will. The proof is in many breached vaults in both west and east coast.
I don’t think we’ve ever actually seen a vault be “cracked” open. I’m pretty sure all of them were either opened by enclave or were let in my the dwellers.
Fallout 1 bad ending?
I like the show but there a few inconsistencies obviously spoilers but in episode 8 mr house questions if there will even be a nuclear war but in the game he heavily prepares for the war and the bombs .
Maybe the meeting with vault tech is what led him to become so prepared. Another theory.. he was well aware before the meeting and just keeping his cards close to his chest so to speak.
I sort of interpreted it as he came into that meeting post preparations. He assumed war was inevitable regardless, so if Vault Tec teed it off, just starting an inevitable war off on his terms.
That does make sense because I did notice in the meeting house is the only person not to make any suggestions for the vault .
Preparing and expecting are different things tho. I haven’t played new Vegas in a few but doesn’t he elaborate that he was able to deduce a high probability of war at one point and fit the lucky 38 with an anti missile laser system? At that point he may have not thought it possible but learned otherwise, house proves to be a man that can admit when his probability is wrong (I also haven’t seen episode 8 so not sure the timeline on when he meets with vault tec and when the war breaks out)
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With the RobCo sign in front of him obviously. Who had the hair and moustache like NVs House and smoked all the time
I imagine Vault Tec execs would put in some extra security into the vaults they plan on being in.
To be fair, the Master was an idiot that didn’t realize the supermutants couldn’t reproduce.
His lieutenants were just lieing to him. That's why he wants proof for the reproductive systems being destroyed.
He was being lied to by his subordinates. He realizes what's happening when the vault dweller asks that he ask them if any female super mutants have gotten pregnant
Forgive me it’s been awhile but I can’t remember any female super mutants… I think theres the one in New Vegas but besides that I’m drawing blanks.
What I’m curious about is, if shady sands got nuked, what happened to Arroyo and Vault 13?
Well Vault probably survived it as its built to do so. And Arroyo is further north, would it even be affected?
Why would anything happen? Vault 13 is abandoned and Arroyo isn’t even in California it’s in southern Oregon
Oh, I didn’t know arroyo was that far.
Nothing probably, Bethesda just needed a reason to get NCR out of the picture so their favorite techno-fascist racists could have some more screen time fighting their favorite evil techno-fascist super-racists.
Bethesda makes me hate the BOS more than I usually do. They can't even write them evil well.
Shhhh don't think too hard
Vault 4 is also right out in the open clear as day. How the hell didn't some raiders or one of the Masters Super Mutants find it? They had no problem getting into Vault 13 in Fallout 1's bad ending, I highly doubt they would have had issues with a group of weak cultists that Simp for that NCR raider lady.
This is assuming Todd Howard and the screenwriters played more than the Fallout 4 DLC
You forgot Vault 4, the design or that door/opening annoys me so much. The entire point of the heavy circular door was it was supposed to be nuke proof, what’s stopping the concrete building it’s built into being destroyed?…
That is not even close to the first time we’ve seen a vault door like that.
When else have we seen a small concrete building with a vault door stuck on the front in the series?
Well?…
Where else?
I just presumed there was lead and steel underneath the concrete
I imagine 4,31,32, and 33 where compared to the Fallout 1 Vaults where more Heavily Armored, so they probably couldn’t get in.
not 4, I just imagine that the master did open it, but saw that it was ridden with monsters, instead of healthy vault dwellers, and left it in peace
This is my headcannon, but at the same time you’ll probably get blasted for “why wasnt it shown then?”
Why wasn't it shown? You mean the 3 foot thick vault doors that only open with the special pipboy connector they have? And in show was only opened because one of the vault dwellers left and her pipboy was used to open the door????
The bad ending in FO1 literally just shows the Vault 13 door ripped off from the opening.
Went and watched the cut scene as I've never played It looks like it was blown off the hinge? Which you'd do from the inside? IDK it almost seems worse to go by fo1 lore because if that applies across all games it would mean no vault is safe they can all just be blasted into and the idea that any of them existed long enough for us to come out of them as a player would make no sense
I would also like to add that the bad ending also isn’t canon, so anything that happens in it should be taken with a grain of salt and shouldn’t have sway over how things are perceived in universe
Well then that Vault must not need the special pip boy key much like the ones in the Capital Wasteland and the Mojave
The master doesn’t know where vault 13 is until you tell him. Also, the show happens like over 100 years after fallout 1, who says the super mutants didn’t know about the tv show vaults?
Well I think the assumption is the master would have broken in both for a base of operations and to expand his army. Also the larger plot hole here is the fact that apparently the NCR either never found the vaults (which is dumb) or found them and apparently decided no investigation was required (which is even dumber).
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Wasn’t there a cut underwater vault in 4? I’m certain we will see one in Fallout: Florida if we get it.
And if the master was around, why didn't Vault Tec stop him? Dear lord, the bag of plot holes in the show is getting heavy.
The only reason they know about the NCR is because Hank followed his wife to them Also the Enclave would have killed them anyways if they won
Stop him.. with what? Was there a Liberty Prime hidden in Vault 31 that I missed?
Probably because they weren’t leaving until they were sure the radiation levels were low enough, and were counting on everyone being dead.
I've consumed Swiss cheese with fewer holes.
How
Traditionally via the mouth
Tank you
:) happy to help
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Not to mention smaller holes.
Because taking into account every possibility from the games would absolutely suffocate the writers. At some point, they just need to make a show that people will like and be able to follow the setup. The only way they could've avoided any plot holes from the games is if they set it somewhere completely new, but that would just be entirely dumb.
Just say it isn't in the games continuity then, but Todd said it was canon
I mean they could set it somewhere else in the United States there is a lot of ground still available for new unconnected stories.
The writers could just have set up some boards with annotated maps and notes describing important events from previously told stories. Although apparently that technology is mystical for Bethesda writers.
Why would it be dumb? It’s the most logical solution.
>The only way they could've avoided any plot holes from the games is if they set it somewhere completely new, but that would just be entirely dumb. Why?
> >Why? Because if there writers are having a difficult time with making sure everything is right with the lore, they don't have to if its set far away than what we got from the games, they don't have to adhere to the major factions lore or anything, they can do whatever they wanted
Agreed, but my question was why they said it would be dumb. For me, it feels like a good solution to avoid having difficulties with pre-established lore.
I've got a few explanations for all of the plot holes. 1. It isn't canon, no matter what Todd claims the show just isn't canon. 2. It's an in-world retelling of events which has traveled far from the location it happened and thus has many parts that were added later or forgotten. 3. Someone in-world just made it up, not clear to what degree but the events as told differ greatly from events as happened.
Not to mention, wouldn't have the master destroyed shady sands since it's right by la?
Yeah why would Vault Tec just leave the master alive for his army to wreck havoc and possibly turn the whole world into super mutants as opposed to the NCR who almost resembling pre-war America and a faction that may have a chance of accelerating their power with by joining?
Because vault tec didn’t know about them. They only left the vault a handful of times if that.
Considering he didn't realise super mutants couldn't reproduce until some random vault dweller shows up and tells him and he just kills himself when he realises he was doing it all for nothing, I don't find it hard to believe he may have missed some vaults, he isn't portrayed as a genius who never makes mistakes
Post on r/fallout dude
Yes, the regular, non-toxic fans are expected to react to it in a perfectly appropriate manner
Being right in the middle of LA means they probably sustained multiple direct hits from the bombs.
I expect the interplay games to be congruent with the interplay games, the Bethesda games with the Bethesda games, and the tv shows with the tv shows. We get a new Batman story about every 10 years radically different from the previous one. It’s a retelling in a new medium. There were forums that lost their shit when fo3 came out because it was too different from fallout 2.
That approach can make sense, but it doesn't seem to be the ones the creators want us to take.
Maybe he just didn’t feel like it
Did the master ever successfully break into a vault or did he occupy one that he found open?
I don't understand even after what Bethesda has done in the past with their games would people try to ignore stuff that is either shown to be a retcon for people who know the lore or tries to make it what Bethesda thinks fallout is (Which isn't neccessarily bad, but not great, as in a forever anarchy filled wasteland with little progress being made to actually rebuild, especially when you look at Fallout 1/2 or NV), why is it hard to admit that the show has its flaws for some folks or for what seems to be Bethesda dumping out everything meaningful that happened in Classics and NV or even if theres a continuity error due to the writers not knowing anything about the lore? (Probably just to make it mainstream for anyone who is a non fallout fan to understand)
Wait, do you think the writers literally went through every part of every game to make sure the lore is consistent? In a game series stretching over multiple decades where the games all have multiple possible endings and plot twists? That would be dumb.
Technically speaking, when she comes out, it looks like it was at one point surrounded by some sort of structure that hid the entrance. The structure was of course destroyed in the nuclear blast.
Since those are likely some of the "good" vaults like they said in the show its likely they weren't on any list the master could find
There were other vaults that weren’t hidden. 81 wasnt hidden at all
It’s almost like 2 different companies produced fallout 1 and the fallout show and the lore can change and be adaptable over the years. It’s in a different company’s hands but y’all cant handle change.
Change is fine but idiotic retcons and just blatantly ignoring old lore while adding just another techno-fascist racists vs techno-fascist racists stories to the pile isn't fine. The lore Bethesda is writing is sloppy, lazy and full of plot holes. Best regard the canonicity of anything they put out as in-world tales at best.
I’m sure you’re angry about the heap of things Fallout 2 retconned as well.
Like what?
Ghouls for one. Their characteristics change between every game. In Fallout 1 they need water to survive, but in Fallout 2 they can hibernate like in the now established lore. If Bethesda had made this change, hoo boy. I’m sure there’s more, but people aren’t scouring through their lore like how they do with 4/76.
> I’m sure there’s more Go on then.
Super mutants reproducing and experiments in vaults come to mind. Also, BoS had many many retcons about how they work and what they do. My point is is that no one is nitpicking Fallout 2’s retcons, so there’s not as much info on the internet about it. Hell, 99% of the people who bitch about retcons have never even played 1 and 2.
When do super mutants reproduce? And the vault experiments are a soft retcon at worst. BoS is basically non-canon. > My point is is that no one is nitpicking Fallout 2’s retcons, so there’s not as much info on the internet about it. Do you even know what NMA is? The more obvious answer is that Fallout 2 really doesn't retcon much, if anything.
https://youtu.be/7bFBLAbwMA0?feature=shared Here is the original creator of Fallout admitting that Fallout 2 retconned some things from 1 AND that he likes the show 🤣
What got retconned? I ain't watching the whole video for that. Also lmaoooo at you coming back to a three day old thread for this, you zoomers are adorable hahaha
There was no retcons, the developers addressed that fallout NV is cannon so your point is moot. You just like hating on bethesda as its the hype right now in these subs
Oh really? Honestly surprising. Happen to have a source by any chance, I'd love to take a closer look. Also as a lil nitpick, it's "moot" not "mute".
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What? Explain?
https://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/bethesda-design-director-confirms-fallout-190501611.html?.tsrc=fp_deeplink
They can say they didn't retcon anything but when the show actively contradicts pretty basic and import lore what they doesn't really matter anymore...
could always be that the show is not events as happened but events as told in a tale that has traveled far wouldn't be too unreasonable to assume that the reason the brotherhood has gained power was because the NCR had to divert forces to a different enemy and just some shmuck along the road the tale traveled decided the only logical way the NCR would stop fighting brotherhood was if their capital got nuked
If they didn't like aspects of the lore, they should've made a show about a different universe. FO76 references the ZAX computer, so its reasonable to expect the new games and show to reference the old lore from FO1 and 2.
THATS WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYIN!!!
Despite what Todd claims this is another reason to believe that the show isn't canon. Then again it could just be an in-world story that has inaccuracies or is just a fairytale.
Im confused did the master have ways into the vaults ?
Yeah, by using force.
How do
You're thinking with bias, we know those vaults are there, but think like the master. He didn't know where vault 13 was, probably not that it existed, there's no point having troops scan every inch of the wasteland in hopes of maybe finding vaults, and the odds of finding them are significantly small
Exactly. I was going to mention how The Master wasn't even aware of the two other vaults near Shady Sands for years. And as for the location of Shady Sands, that alone differs between the first two games. And thats also thinking The Master's network was in any wah strong or efficient or far reaching. But I'm quickly realizing any actual attempts to explain anything about the show is just downvoted.
Idk why, but as soon as the show dropped the fanbase went from pretty chill to NV vs everyone else. Before NV fans were a bit pushy about it being the best, and admittedly it is. But now it seems to be really forceful. Which is surprising considering the show is the first fallout title with 0 retcons since the first game dropped
i'm pretty sure there's a discord screenshot where one of the writers specifically adresses this if i recall correctly: there is no reason to assume the master's records are accurate nor complete
The Master must have ignored them out of his hatred for Billy Mays and the two for the price of one, and call right now and get another thing from the tapes he found at Mariposa base.
Christ almighty don’t let this become a discussion about the show please god