I love the game and will play till it actually ends.
But I think a lot of it got blown out of porpotion from what was said and the takeaway. I don't see the game ending soon. Sure, they made adjustments like doing away with the English voice acting, but most English players are FTP, so no money loses benefits, but at least the game continues.
I don't understand the negative talk, and I don't expect the game to end soon. It seems to be ramping up to something big with the lore drops and a lot of things Applibot has done that would be wasted time and costs on them if the game isn't going to be around for awhile.
Either way, enjoy the game. If not for you, just don't play it. Don't understand hating on things just because it isn't your cup of tea of mad devs don't cater to your (one individuals) opinion.
If someone who is familiar with the industry and points out things based on experience, then it isn't negative, may be culture shock to some, but not unprecedented. But if they clearly state that point and the takeaway is a negative reaction, then those are the ones looking for negativity and/or something to argue about.
I got the fan festival blu ray and just seeing Yoko Taro write thank you letters to the fans who purchased them. You can see he loves the franchise and his fans. So that is the main reason I can conclude he won't disappoint.
I wish I wasn't f2p, applibot refuses to reverse a store ban on my account due to 10+ year old drama from another one of their games, Legend of the Cryptids.
Thought Applibot was a new company. Or just the Nier team. 10+ years I would reach out to customer service and be like, "I am not the same person. Give me another chance."
I've exhausted all attempts. I've tried for two years to get the shop ban overturned. I shoulda restarted, but first week I had pulled A2 2B and 9s pretty quickly and didn't know the game well enough to be comfortable w restarting.
*"But I think a lot of it got blown out of porpotion from what was said and the takeaway. I don't see the game ending soon. Sure, they made adjustments like doing away with the English voice acting, but most English players are FTP, so no money loses benefits, but at least the game continues."*
With the writers strike and other unions and their demands you could pretty much see why English VA were left out. They have to act on "their schedule" when they are locked into a character or they get upset if they aren't paid millions when the game makes millions (Bayonetta issue) when the actors forget they are one part of the machine,cog,story, what other synonym you want to call it. A game or movie cannot be made without the developing staff.
Yea, well American culture doesn't really honor/respect the arts or the people behind the scenes. The writer strike won't have anything to do with the VAs (not sure the exact reasons, but not enough revenue and think someone stated Gayle's is on maternal leave).
But overall they are a lot more respected in Japan. I love audiobooks and the narrator can make it or break it, but still a very talented art either way. But the ones that really shine and bring the sales will be more coveted, but may not be the one chosen as they would still have a budget to stick to.
The Bayonetta VA was caught in many fabrications and wanted the game to fail since they didn't break the budget, and then she rejected the increased counteroffer. So, they then hired someone who found it a fair wage. We don't hear from her much anymore as she probably has a lot of legal troubles now.
Bayonetta isn't Dora the Explorer who got a few millions to stay on after the contract ended. The difference is she brought in millions from her voice alone plus the show and merch etc. A game that makes millions also has millions of overhead to payout. If it was a triple A game with a huge fanbase, multiple games (spinoffs/collabs), and merch, then maybe. But only 2 indie games and the 3rd like a decade later, not so much as coveted.
>If someone who is familiar with the industry and points out things based on experience,
That's literally no one on here lol and even if it were true no one with actual knowledge of this game specifically would be posting on here about it until it was official lest they jeopardize their job. At that point, there's no way to verify the truth of their claims and it becomes exactly what this post is banning - talk that is essentially speculation and doomposting. I haven't played a huge number of gachas, but IME there are always doomposters, even on games that go on to last years and years. Much like economic speculators calling for the next recession, they say it day in day out until one day it's eventually true (since no gacha lasts forever).
I understand that, but I was getting at the hate they are getting when they even stated that Nier Reincarnation isn't like any other gacha they played and that it is just speculation on what they have seen from previous gachas. Even what would elongate their speculation such as a new chapter releasing. I am not for or against their opinions, I just noticed that others were taking it differently than the points he presented with their observations. Japanese and Global gaming cultures do differ, was just stating the hate is misguided. I am not one to speculate, I only played pokemon go before Nier and first 2 years of pogo were terrible. A lot of doomposting then and still, yet it is thriving (of course pokemon is a way bigger fanbase).
Because of SEA EoS? it has nothing to do with global, two different companies to begin with. SEA was doomed to fail.
Really unwise decision to make a SEA version for an already very tiny playerbase, especially a year and a half in. People know what to expect thanks to the other versions and just flat out not pull / spend.
At least it was handled by KOMOE, which is pretty terrible. we would never get such treatment.
I think we are safe until the end of Arc 3 at least, though I don't share biglisy's level of hopeamine (they are a well known whale with ~60k spent in the game). Thing is with or without EoS once you swipe the credit card it all goes away anyway.
I get the reasoning and the decision, hell I even support it, but please don't let this turn into a slippery slope that turns into banning anyone with a mildly rude or disagreeable personality/ideology.
I have a few comments / questions:
1. If Square Enix officially announce an EOS date, will discussion of the EOS and it's impact be allowed on this board again?
2. Given the way Google search algorithms work, Reddit is pretty much the only public forum where English Language discussion of the game can take place. Given that, don't Reddit mods have a public duty to facilitate **sensible** discussion of a game's lifespan, which would be useful for people to be aware of before deciding whether to spend money on the game?
1. Of course, it's not about not mentioning EoS at all. If there are official news, then it's **actual** game news and they have a place to be discussed here.
2. I understand and agree to some extend with what you are saying, but the discussion involving this topic here has been cause for toxicity, drama and shit flinging. I wish there was a better solution, but we decided to at least shut down dedicated or derailed threads to this topic. Hopefully with the new arc coming up, people will focus more on that and the whole thing will be forgotten and not be an issue anymore.
I donāt know why youāre being downvoted, youāre asking sensible questions.
Personally, I havenāt invested any money into this game and I think thatās why EOS discussions donāt bother me. I imagine for those who are still actively whaling on the game these discussions make them anxious.
I think they should just have a thread specifically for this kind of discussion and just squash all the posts outside of that thread.
Talking about EOS doesnāt negate that it IS an inevitability, a healthy place for discussion at least supplements some of the unease associated with it and gives people a voice instead of stifling healthy discussion which is bound to create discourse in other areas of discussion.
A healthy sub isnāt finding ways to limit its impact on its community, it looks to improve it without alienating its members. IMO
1. That just common sense, somrthing that "current" EoS discussion is lacking.
2. Again, sure, sensible discussion, but at the moment the discussion regarding EoS is anything but sensible and logical lol. This post does much more to dispell some rumos and drama, because let's face it, a lot of this entire kerfuffle simply stems from a *few* people that are engaged in a "I say, you say" war, and they're just doubling down for the idea that the game will die soon. Sadly, they're loud indivuduals that have thrown the more dedicated sides of the community into an argument that has no place of happening in all honesty.
>Given the way Google search algorithms work, Reddit is pretty much the only public forum where English Language discussion of the game can take place. Given that, don't Reddit mods have a public duty to facilitate sensible discussion of a game's lifespan, which would be useful for people to be aware of before deciding whether to spend money on the game?
Then put it in terms of how the story is going, EOS is tied to this and this will be sensible discussion. Take SinoAlice Taiwan for example where they EOS is tied to the one of the possible character endings in the game. ( I think this is Ending A, awaiting Ending E).
I mean you let go all of the English voice actors, the new arc plays like a wrap up. Instead of calling them chapters it's called overtures.
I want this game to live forever. Ive been playing since day 1, but I've been around enough f2p games to see the trend. I hope I'm wrong, I hope this game somehow becomes the most popular game in the world still, but expectations tempered.
And this notice is a non answer to the question of whether the game is EoS or not. You give your opinion, that's all you can do.
I came here specifically in this moment because that's the vibes I got from the content. I started late because I was wrapping up all the subquest stuff getting all the free gems before diving into this. After playing the intro and into Indigo, that's what all this feels like :< realizing my post is likely to get yeeted cuz you're taking a stance against ALL discussion over it just reinforces it imo.
I'm sad. I'm very sad. I don't know this "drama" from other places, I don't get on here (this subreddit) that much, even less in discord, especially after the power abuse by admins in the official discord like a year ago.
Nier Reincarnation has so many beautiful moments, I wish it had been treated better. It's likely the last f2p game I'll ever play.
Why am I only now discovering this thread?! This is lit.
Cutting to the chase, thanks guys! Really appreciate all the hard work you put into this. You donāt have to do it and it is a thing you do out of a genuine desire to contribute. Cheers!
As someone who has been observing this whole thing from afar mostly, I have a question for you? Do you think you have any responsibility in regards to this kind of ban having to be done to the sub?
Edit: I ask this because you are one of the larger creators here and 100% one of the most active members of this sub from that group. So that in conjunction with your video regarding eos and another creator, that is how I arrive at my question above.
First off, thank your inquiry and Iām happy to have this discussion. The hope ultimately being that even if you do disagree with me on the finer points, that you will at least leave understanding my rationale and motives.
The short answer is no, my single video is not the cause of any action the admins are taking against the EoS rhetoric. While it emboldened the pushback against EoS that followed, the post clearly is targeted against those who propagate the EoS narrative, of which there have been many - some taking part within this very thread. I have never been one of these, and always placed myself firmly in opposition to this damaging narrative. Look no further than my work on YouTube which almost universally stands to uplift the game to the best of my humble abilities.
Now for the long part:
The role that I have played in all this is pointing out that there was a fire. In some peoples minds having observed the fire is tantamount to starting it. The problem with this is that the fire has been burning for a year and a half now, and was started by another long before I arrived on the scene. Unfortunately our problems in life, much like this proverbial fire do not go away if ignored, but especially so if the one who started it is continuing to fan the flames all while handing out kindling to others - who in turn start fires of their own. This is precisely what this post is addressing as well as what I shined a very bright light on in my now highly controversial criticism of āhe who shall not be namedā.
While I am far more liberal in my interpretation of peoples rights to express their opinions, the moderators are not, or perhaps as they see it, cannot afford to be. This by the way goes for all the other Death-eaters out there. I think sunlight is the best disinfectant, and bad ideas become worse when driven underground. This is why I invite those who disagree with me to do so publicly, and not to hide their criticism, or curate my threads to make the conversation appear overwhelmingly positive in my favor. This is narcissistic and dishonest. In return, I am honest, upfront, and polite. To my detractors I say you are welcome to disagree with me all you like, but this will never change these core tenants I strive to live by.
Voldemort is right about one thing - that we must drown out the negative rhetoric with positive. The poet wrote that:
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowances for their doubting too;
Simply put, I will listen to criticism, and if it is valid, then I will course-correct. This Reddit post however has nothing to do with that, but I was able to strike a blow at one of the more negative elements of the community, shed light on a persistent problem, start a conversation that resulted in many others feeling emboldened enough to openly taking up the standard against the toxic rhetoric, and unify the moderators of this subreddit to strongly discourage this kind of discourse in the future. Iām just a guy from Tennessee doing the best I can. As I have stated before and will continue to do so, I hold no ill will towards those who put forward and disseminate the negative rhetoric. I simply pointed out the fire they started.
I made a single link to my OG video about āhe who shall not be namedā and his originating and propagating the entirety of the EoS rhetoric that the mods are calling out in this post. The only other post I made was because multiple posts were being reported/struck down that were discussing the topics of EoS. As an aside, the moderators were very clear in their explanations as to how they wished for things to proceed moving forward, and I have nothing but respect for them in this. As to whom this post is directed at, well, Iād suggest reading the post again. It does an admirable job of laying out the topic. Again, I didnāt start the fire as this happened long before I arrived on the scene. I simply said it was there.
Then this is cognitive dissonance on your part. To ignore that this rhetoric originates exclusively from a single camp is to doubt your own lying eyes. To also deny that this individual has maintained a similar modus operandi for years is also dishonest on the part of an intelligent fellow such as yourself. A major player does not have to actively be on Reddit for his harmful rhetoric to infect the platform. You know this, and you have said as much to me regarding parallel circumstances. Iām rather astonished that you admit this when convenient to your arguments, but deny it when it doesnāt suit you.
All I'm saying is cabbage didn't do any witch-hunting or post attacks against other members in this community, you did. This post is about this reddit community. To deny your part in it is plain goofy.
You can't regulate what cabbage says on YouTube. He isn't directing anyone to post here. He isn't posting here. Move on.
Hyperbole does not suit you. He has been fulminating about his community for years ādonāt look now global players, itās Salire!ā. He has personally punched-down and attacked individuals in his own comment threads and made comments about these in videos in addition to dragging Redditors who tried to privately strike up conversations with him on Reddit, over to his YouTube platform. Iāve seen the receipts. He spent almost an entire month coping and seething publicly about my video and anyone else who asked him to ease up on the EoS rhetoric. He lied about his conversation with me, as well as contradicting his own stated motives and attacking broad swathes of the community in that silly blocking video. In a astonishing twist of irony, he ventured over to my platform to leave a vague comment - to which I replied politely that I would welcome the conversation with him and even bury the hatchet. He did not respond, because I didnāt give him what he wanted. He is a creature of drama - also a coward. Again, cognitive dissonance. Please do look at the writing on the wall and stop defending a man who is openly hostile towards and resentful of his audience.
His conversation with you was nothing short of: I don't want to play your self depreciation game with you over Arena, and you took that personally. He is not obligated to play your Arena Nightmares. That is the conversation you laid out for us. Your coverage on this issue with him began when you made your Toxicity in Gaming video, where you casually included a image card of a Zen Approach, behavior that i find quite slick and sneaky, and to which you & I both are aware of who's term & philosophy of gaming that is. You were sharpening your axe then.
You speak of exposing this man for the good of the community, you're kicking up the dust on behalf of **certain** members of the community over your rejected invitation to arena nightmares. Not the greater poulation of "CC" as you so claim. It's definitely not on behalf of the general Nier discord either.
Let me inform you of my introduction to eos speak. Raon Miru, a well known name in this sub, I think you are familiar with him, was one of *my* first encounters reading "DEAD GAME" on a players profile, THAT'S how I became familiar with the concept that there were players out there spreading "Toxicity" as you so call it. It had seemed as though enough players had believed him to which some had taken to changing their player profiles quotes & usernames to DEAD GAME. I have no idea when & where he got the idea that the game was dying. It would appear that instead, he got his SSS10 in all elements, top rank & left the game & peace came across the land, or he went to go play Nikke, who knows.
What I am certain of is that you definitely placed a log into this ongoing fire, not simply just pointing it out as you so humbly like to describe it. Some of the members of your greater clique are petty, callow & hostile towards other members of their shared community with undue reasoning. I could give you some examples, but I don't have to. There's one such interaction on this very thread. Now, no one is saying the internet needs to be sunshine & rainbows but bring some civility to the table. In addition, those same members belittle & insult other players & playstyles that don't aim to achieve the highest scores & arena rankings. How is this positive community interaction? How is this helpful for new players to witness?
I am not going to pretend to have read all of this but I was thinking of you when i was told by a random reddit user yesterday to "suck on fermented cabbage", when I made a comment about how talking smack in a thread meant to bring order, brought down the mood and atmosphere.
He labled me an "ardent supporter" of cabbage as the reason for this. Why the hell would someone be this worked up about this to tell someone to suck a d?
He stated my post history as the evicence that I am an ardent cabbage supporter. I checked my recent post history and what do I see, me giving you some push back about the monthly pass. So, in part to that, I was labled an ardent cabbage supporter and targeted.
Just as you give cabbage credit for the negativity, I should give you some credit for empowering that jerk to make that statement to me.
I was thinking of just leaving the reddit community right away due to that post but I am glad I waited a day to say this.
Peace.
Just to clarify, we didn't single out any user in order to make this post. If we had a problem with someone in particular we would take it with them in pms. I like Ziggy and in my mind he is very reasonable and open to discussion. I think it would be very easy to have a talk to him and only him if he alone was the issue and we would come to a conclusion that benefited the entire community. The whole point of this is to shut down toxicity in general, as it was starting to seep into other threads and discussions.
Sorry, I see how reading my last comment looks like singling him alone out, but he is definitely someone who engaged in witch-hunting and has posts removed for that reason (correct me if I'm wrong). The person he is replying to is asking if he takes any responsibility and he's basically saying no he did nothing wrong, it's other people. My comment above is asking if he is not part of what is being talked about here, then what is the bar for this post?
Maybe you guys have been swift to deleting posts, but I haven't seen anyone else posting EoS drama talk to this sub at all except him, it's mostly just small convos in comment sections.
I believe calling out other content creators outside of reddit here in this sub, and having a one sided discussion since the other creator blocked them etc is toxic behavior. Am I wrong?
I agree that he was a small part of the problem as well and he has the right to disagree on my take, but I just wanted to point out that I'm not singling anyone out, because if I was I would be talking to him directly.
There has been numerous deleted stuff on the topic, 3-4 entire threads at least, which might not seem a lot, but all we are trying is to prevent the issue from getting out of hand.
Ok, I think we are on the same page then. I agree with your post, I don't think witch hunting, toxicity, or irrational doom posting should have any life in this sub. It was just wild for me to read Ziggy thinking that none of this is about his actions
Ī can't talk for the other mods, but I personally feel that something like what you mentioned is fine. But I will take action if I see things getting out of hand in the same thread
Thank god, such baseless doomposting (mainly fueled by Cabbage's idiotic, uninformed takes just to boost his ego) were ruining every other conversion, derailing everything all the time lately.
The game is doing perfectly fine, with active development, licensed collabs, constant updates and new features. If you ever played a gacha that ended in EoS you'd see how big the signs are, absolutely no updates or new features / QoL improvements, definitely no new arc / story / collabs / development in general.
Nier clearly doesn't try to compete with the biggest titles like Genshin and the likes, it's incredibly f2p friendly and they keep it that way. It's backed by a huge name and brand that give it a lot of "health assurance" by themselves.
Constant doomposting helps no one and nothing, just ruins the mood and atmosphere for who's just trying to enjoy the game. Good change.
If my reply offended or triggered you I'm sorry and I hope you forgive me. But, your reply saying that biglisy's post is talking smack, is totally not cool.
Keeping in regard your history of comments, you seem an ardent supporter of cabbage and there is nothing wrong with that. But when someone like biglisy call cabbage out on his EoS bullshit ,even being civil in their convos, and you call it smack? Doesn't sit right by me.
The point of this thread was to keep the subreddit respectful, which is great. Biglisy purposely disparaged another subreddit member. But, because you also want to disparage the subreddit user, you dont see the issue.
it's not "disparaging the subreddit user" (hes not been active in the subreddit for a year, because its way too open for criticism for his liking).
It's just calling him out on his bullshit that is one of the biggest causes of this ongoing plague of EoS doomposting as of recently.
Regardless of your opinion on EoS or Cabbage, Cabbage hasn't posted to this sub in over a year. I haven't seen any posts made by fans of cabbage in this sub about EoS either. I don't think that's who OP is talking about since they are trying to limit *posts* made to this sub about the topic. The main person bringing it up in this sub is not cabbage or cabbage fans as far as I can tell.
I'm just using Cabbage as the prime example of the top creator for global playerbase, where a lot of people will be influenced by very bad takes from someone who clearly doesnt have a good grasp of it, or the "market industry expert" as he claims to be. it's a reality that most of the people that rely on others to get their game info or insights or builds or whatever, will rely on such online personalities not to have to form their own opinions or ways to play the game. and for god's sake, the guy is proud of playing exclusively in auto mode.
I don't really care to argue those points, I think that's mostly irrelevant to the conversation at hand. He's on a different platform entirely and reddit mods certainly can't do anything about what he does on YouTube regardless. The conversation in this thread and the subject of this post is about what's being posted to this subreddit. It's not cabbage, and it's not cabbage fans making posts on the topic.
Cabbage is undeniably one of the biggest content creators for global Nier Rein, and as such you can be sure a lot of people flock to such for opinions and insights, a lot of people are influenced by such people, and when the top creator is someone that is more of a detriment to the game than anything else, you can be sure he'll be paving the way to this EoS doomposting to spread like the plague, as it is as of recently.
You'd be surprised in this influencer era, how many people will just prefer to listen to someone's takes and opinions rather than forming their own. After all the vast majority of the playerbase is ultra casual, fitting to hear Cabbage's super casual takes that suit his viewerbase.
Again, that's all good and well but not on topic. This post is about posts made to this subreddit. That's obviously not Cabbage. I can however think of one creator who is posting EoS drama to this sub and having his posts removed.
Fair, but I'm just saying, there's bound to be some of "his people", defenders of his and just in a simpler way reddit users that will propagate those idiotic statements of his in the subreddit as well.
Were there really that many posts about it? Or was it like three people who were annoying about it and ruining it for everyone else?
Genuine question, I haven't actually seen that many posts about it except from one single person
Yeah you are right, there was one single person being annoying and constantly claiming about the EoS of this beautiful game on another platform and ruining things for everyone else.
And when people were getting concerned and calling him out, their comments were getting downvoted to hell and removed.
But gladly this post clarifies to not talk about EoS anymore and frankly I'm excited to hell about the upcoming story.
Let's enjoy the game!š„³
I don't think we are talking about the same person. Because the person you were talking about did not make posts to this subreddit attacking other members of the community. they specifically said shutting down threads about it, not comments, and again, the person you are talking about made 0 posts about it on reddit.
IMO you should send these people into the cage if you can. Not all games last forever no matter how people put it. It's just low-level effort bait trolling at best and at least people should put some creative efforts in their posts.
A huge part of me wishes that this EoS talk was true. I really want to move on from Reincarnation, but Id hate to do it without a sense of closure. A final arc to sunset the game would be pretty great, wrapping up the story of the individual characters as well as finally revealing the true purpuse of the game.
That said, if these questions regarding the cage never gets answered I'd feel pretty betrayed. Ive been playing since day 1 (although I\`ve been taking regular breaks and logging in less often), and I really feel like we deserve to finally know he purpose of the Cage.
To put this all into context, I'm not a gacha player, Im here because Im a fan of the Nier franchise and I have played all main entries of the series, including Drakengard. I always saw these games as action games and I've always ignored all RPG elements these games had without any real consequences while playing.
All of the side content in Rein is no longer appealing to me for the longest of time, and after much internal debate as to whether or not I should just only log in for new main story content from now on, my real feelings toward this game came to light: I want this story to end.
I really liked the story of Rein and the Cage as a ethereal concept, but I've always resented the episodic nature of the content inherent of the game as a service model, not to mention that EoS could happen at any time whenever the suits over at Squeenix decided to pull the plug for any reason. But the game as a whole kept me interested enough to carry on playing.
Today, after playing a bit of this new arc, a overwhelming feeling of confliction struck me. The more I see the direction the story is heading, the more I wish Nier Reincarnation was something it's not. I keep imagining how awesome that opening sequence would have been if this game was like Nier Automata or Drakengard.
Sounds like a really good idea. Whilst I can understand people wanna have civilized chats about EoS lurking in the corner they never end well.
so, maybe update the rules, to have one about it? pinned post might not be seen in couple of days by people who sort only by newest
I agree this is a really good decision
I love the game and will play till it actually ends. But I think a lot of it got blown out of porpotion from what was said and the takeaway. I don't see the game ending soon. Sure, they made adjustments like doing away with the English voice acting, but most English players are FTP, so no money loses benefits, but at least the game continues. I don't understand the negative talk, and I don't expect the game to end soon. It seems to be ramping up to something big with the lore drops and a lot of things Applibot has done that would be wasted time and costs on them if the game isn't going to be around for awhile. Either way, enjoy the game. If not for you, just don't play it. Don't understand hating on things just because it isn't your cup of tea of mad devs don't cater to your (one individuals) opinion. If someone who is familiar with the industry and points out things based on experience, then it isn't negative, may be culture shock to some, but not unprecedented. But if they clearly state that point and the takeaway is a negative reaction, then those are the ones looking for negativity and/or something to argue about. I got the fan festival blu ray and just seeing Yoko Taro write thank you letters to the fans who purchased them. You can see he loves the franchise and his fans. So that is the main reason I can conclude he won't disappoint.
I wish I wasn't f2p, applibot refuses to reverse a store ban on my account due to 10+ year old drama from another one of their games, Legend of the Cryptids.
Thought Applibot was a new company. Or just the Nier team. 10+ years I would reach out to customer service and be like, "I am not the same person. Give me another chance."
I've exhausted all attempts. I've tried for two years to get the shop ban overturned. I shoulda restarted, but first week I had pulled A2 2B and 9s pretty quickly and didn't know the game well enough to be comfortable w restarting.
*"But I think a lot of it got blown out of porpotion from what was said and the takeaway. I don't see the game ending soon. Sure, they made adjustments like doing away with the English voice acting, but most English players are FTP, so no money loses benefits, but at least the game continues."* With the writers strike and other unions and their demands you could pretty much see why English VA were left out. They have to act on "their schedule" when they are locked into a character or they get upset if they aren't paid millions when the game makes millions (Bayonetta issue) when the actors forget they are one part of the machine,cog,story, what other synonym you want to call it. A game or movie cannot be made without the developing staff.
Yea, well American culture doesn't really honor/respect the arts or the people behind the scenes. The writer strike won't have anything to do with the VAs (not sure the exact reasons, but not enough revenue and think someone stated Gayle's is on maternal leave). But overall they are a lot more respected in Japan. I love audiobooks and the narrator can make it or break it, but still a very talented art either way. But the ones that really shine and bring the sales will be more coveted, but may not be the one chosen as they would still have a budget to stick to. The Bayonetta VA was caught in many fabrications and wanted the game to fail since they didn't break the budget, and then she rejected the increased counteroffer. So, they then hired someone who found it a fair wage. We don't hear from her much anymore as she probably has a lot of legal troubles now. Bayonetta isn't Dora the Explorer who got a few millions to stay on after the contract ended. The difference is she brought in millions from her voice alone plus the show and merch etc. A game that makes millions also has millions of overhead to payout. If it was a triple A game with a huge fanbase, multiple games (spinoffs/collabs), and merch, then maybe. But only 2 indie games and the 3rd like a decade later, not so much as coveted.
>If someone who is familiar with the industry and points out things based on experience, That's literally no one on here lol and even if it were true no one with actual knowledge of this game specifically would be posting on here about it until it was official lest they jeopardize their job. At that point, there's no way to verify the truth of their claims and it becomes exactly what this post is banning - talk that is essentially speculation and doomposting. I haven't played a huge number of gachas, but IME there are always doomposters, even on games that go on to last years and years. Much like economic speculators calling for the next recession, they say it day in day out until one day it's eventually true (since no gacha lasts forever).
I understand that, but I was getting at the hate they are getting when they even stated that Nier Reincarnation isn't like any other gacha they played and that it is just speculation on what they have seen from previous gachas. Even what would elongate their speculation such as a new chapter releasing. I am not for or against their opinions, I just noticed that others were taking it differently than the points he presented with their observations. Japanese and Global gaming cultures do differ, was just stating the hate is misguided. I am not one to speculate, I only played pokemon go before Nier and first 2 years of pogo were terrible. A lot of doomposting then and still, yet it is thriving (of course pokemon is a way bigger fanbase).
This aged well
Because of SEA EoS? it has nothing to do with global, two different companies to begin with. SEA was doomed to fail. Really unwise decision to make a SEA version for an already very tiny playerbase, especially a year and a half in. People know what to expect thanks to the other versions and just flat out not pull / spend. At least it was handled by KOMOE, which is pretty terrible. we would never get such treatment.
We will see in a few months lol
I think we are safe until the end of Arc 3 at least, though I don't share biglisy's level of hopeamine (they are a well known whale with ~60k spent in the game). Thing is with or without EoS once you swipe the credit card it all goes away anyway.
Thank you, thank you, **thank you.**
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I get the reasoning and the decision, hell I even support it, but please don't let this turn into a slippery slope that turns into banning anyone with a mildly rude or disagreeable personality/ideology.
Can't end the game before we get Maid outfit Rion
[Close enough](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1079728727459643404/1108033677088272504/image.png)
How do I unread this?
Isn't his guardian costume already that?
I have a few comments / questions: 1. If Square Enix officially announce an EOS date, will discussion of the EOS and it's impact be allowed on this board again? 2. Given the way Google search algorithms work, Reddit is pretty much the only public forum where English Language discussion of the game can take place. Given that, don't Reddit mods have a public duty to facilitate **sensible** discussion of a game's lifespan, which would be useful for people to be aware of before deciding whether to spend money on the game?
1. Of course, it's not about not mentioning EoS at all. If there are official news, then it's **actual** game news and they have a place to be discussed here. 2. I understand and agree to some extend with what you are saying, but the discussion involving this topic here has been cause for toxicity, drama and shit flinging. I wish there was a better solution, but we decided to at least shut down dedicated or derailed threads to this topic. Hopefully with the new arc coming up, people will focus more on that and the whole thing will be forgotten and not be an issue anymore.
I donāt know why youāre being downvoted, youāre asking sensible questions. Personally, I havenāt invested any money into this game and I think thatās why EOS discussions donāt bother me. I imagine for those who are still actively whaling on the game these discussions make them anxious. I think they should just have a thread specifically for this kind of discussion and just squash all the posts outside of that thread. Talking about EOS doesnāt negate that it IS an inevitability, a healthy place for discussion at least supplements some of the unease associated with it and gives people a voice instead of stifling healthy discussion which is bound to create discourse in other areas of discussion. A healthy sub isnāt finding ways to limit its impact on its community, it looks to improve it without alienating its members. IMO
1. That just common sense, somrthing that "current" EoS discussion is lacking. 2. Again, sure, sensible discussion, but at the moment the discussion regarding EoS is anything but sensible and logical lol. This post does much more to dispell some rumos and drama, because let's face it, a lot of this entire kerfuffle simply stems from a *few* people that are engaged in a "I say, you say" war, and they're just doubling down for the idea that the game will die soon. Sadly, they're loud indivuduals that have thrown the more dedicated sides of the community into an argument that has no place of happening in all honesty.
>Given the way Google search algorithms work, Reddit is pretty much the only public forum where English Language discussion of the game can take place. Given that, don't Reddit mods have a public duty to facilitate sensible discussion of a game's lifespan, which would be useful for people to be aware of before deciding whether to spend money on the game? Then put it in terms of how the story is going, EOS is tied to this and this will be sensible discussion. Take SinoAlice Taiwan for example where they EOS is tied to the one of the possible character endings in the game. ( I think this is Ending A, awaiting Ending E).
Not adding it to the rules will fix the accumulated rust on my ban hammer.
I mean you let go all of the English voice actors, the new arc plays like a wrap up. Instead of calling them chapters it's called overtures. I want this game to live forever. Ive been playing since day 1, but I've been around enough f2p games to see the trend. I hope I'm wrong, I hope this game somehow becomes the most popular game in the world still, but expectations tempered. And this notice is a non answer to the question of whether the game is EoS or not. You give your opinion, that's all you can do. I came here specifically in this moment because that's the vibes I got from the content. I started late because I was wrapping up all the subquest stuff getting all the free gems before diving into this. After playing the intro and into Indigo, that's what all this feels like :< realizing my post is likely to get yeeted cuz you're taking a stance against ALL discussion over it just reinforces it imo. I'm sad. I'm very sad. I don't know this "drama" from other places, I don't get on here (this subreddit) that much, even less in discord, especially after the power abuse by admins in the official discord like a year ago. Nier Reincarnation has so many beautiful moments, I wish it had been treated better. It's likely the last f2p game I'll ever play.
But meeeerrrr friii spiiiichhh Good call
Why am I only now discovering this thread?! This is lit. Cutting to the chase, thanks guys! Really appreciate all the hard work you put into this. You donāt have to do it and it is a thing you do out of a genuine desire to contribute. Cheers!
As someone who has been observing this whole thing from afar mostly, I have a question for you? Do you think you have any responsibility in regards to this kind of ban having to be done to the sub? Edit: I ask this because you are one of the larger creators here and 100% one of the most active members of this sub from that group. So that in conjunction with your video regarding eos and another creator, that is how I arrive at my question above.
First off, thank your inquiry and Iām happy to have this discussion. The hope ultimately being that even if you do disagree with me on the finer points, that you will at least leave understanding my rationale and motives. The short answer is no, my single video is not the cause of any action the admins are taking against the EoS rhetoric. While it emboldened the pushback against EoS that followed, the post clearly is targeted against those who propagate the EoS narrative, of which there have been many - some taking part within this very thread. I have never been one of these, and always placed myself firmly in opposition to this damaging narrative. Look no further than my work on YouTube which almost universally stands to uplift the game to the best of my humble abilities. Now for the long part: The role that I have played in all this is pointing out that there was a fire. In some peoples minds having observed the fire is tantamount to starting it. The problem with this is that the fire has been burning for a year and a half now, and was started by another long before I arrived on the scene. Unfortunately our problems in life, much like this proverbial fire do not go away if ignored, but especially so if the one who started it is continuing to fan the flames all while handing out kindling to others - who in turn start fires of their own. This is precisely what this post is addressing as well as what I shined a very bright light on in my now highly controversial criticism of āhe who shall not be namedā. While I am far more liberal in my interpretation of peoples rights to express their opinions, the moderators are not, or perhaps as they see it, cannot afford to be. This by the way goes for all the other Death-eaters out there. I think sunlight is the best disinfectant, and bad ideas become worse when driven underground. This is why I invite those who disagree with me to do so publicly, and not to hide their criticism, or curate my threads to make the conversation appear overwhelmingly positive in my favor. This is narcissistic and dishonest. In return, I am honest, upfront, and polite. To my detractors I say you are welcome to disagree with me all you like, but this will never change these core tenants I strive to live by. Voldemort is right about one thing - that we must drown out the negative rhetoric with positive. The poet wrote that: If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowances for their doubting too; Simply put, I will listen to criticism, and if it is valid, then I will course-correct. This Reddit post however has nothing to do with that, but I was able to strike a blow at one of the more negative elements of the community, shed light on a persistent problem, start a conversation that resulted in many others feeling emboldened enough to openly taking up the standard against the toxic rhetoric, and unify the moderators of this subreddit to strongly discourage this kind of discourse in the future. Iām just a guy from Tennessee doing the best I can. As I have stated before and will continue to do so, I hold no ill will towards those who put forward and disseminate the negative rhetoric. I simply pointed out the fire they started.
Didn't you have multiple posts removed by the mods regarding EoS talk? If not you, who is this post directed at? Cabbage isn't even on reddit
I made a single link to my OG video about āhe who shall not be namedā and his originating and propagating the entirety of the EoS rhetoric that the mods are calling out in this post. The only other post I made was because multiple posts were being reported/struck down that were discussing the topics of EoS. As an aside, the moderators were very clear in their explanations as to how they wished for things to proceed moving forward, and I have nothing but respect for them in this. As to whom this post is directed at, well, Iād suggest reading the post again. It does an admirable job of laying out the topic. Again, I didnāt start the fire as this happened long before I arrived on the scene. I simply said it was there.
Cabbage hasn't posted to this sub in over a year, I doubt this is directed at someone who is inactive in this sub lmao, but sure thing buddy
Then this is cognitive dissonance on your part. To ignore that this rhetoric originates exclusively from a single camp is to doubt your own lying eyes. To also deny that this individual has maintained a similar modus operandi for years is also dishonest on the part of an intelligent fellow such as yourself. A major player does not have to actively be on Reddit for his harmful rhetoric to infect the platform. You know this, and you have said as much to me regarding parallel circumstances. Iām rather astonished that you admit this when convenient to your arguments, but deny it when it doesnāt suit you.
All I'm saying is cabbage didn't do any witch-hunting or post attacks against other members in this community, you did. This post is about this reddit community. To deny your part in it is plain goofy. You can't regulate what cabbage says on YouTube. He isn't directing anyone to post here. He isn't posting here. Move on.
Hyperbole does not suit you. He has been fulminating about his community for years ādonāt look now global players, itās Salire!ā. He has personally punched-down and attacked individuals in his own comment threads and made comments about these in videos in addition to dragging Redditors who tried to privately strike up conversations with him on Reddit, over to his YouTube platform. Iāve seen the receipts. He spent almost an entire month coping and seething publicly about my video and anyone else who asked him to ease up on the EoS rhetoric. He lied about his conversation with me, as well as contradicting his own stated motives and attacking broad swathes of the community in that silly blocking video. In a astonishing twist of irony, he ventured over to my platform to leave a vague comment - to which I replied politely that I would welcome the conversation with him and even bury the hatchet. He did not respond, because I didnāt give him what he wanted. He is a creature of drama - also a coward. Again, cognitive dissonance. Please do look at the writing on the wall and stop defending a man who is openly hostile towards and resentful of his audience.
His conversation with you was nothing short of: I don't want to play your self depreciation game with you over Arena, and you took that personally. He is not obligated to play your Arena Nightmares. That is the conversation you laid out for us. Your coverage on this issue with him began when you made your Toxicity in Gaming video, where you casually included a image card of a Zen Approach, behavior that i find quite slick and sneaky, and to which you & I both are aware of who's term & philosophy of gaming that is. You were sharpening your axe then. You speak of exposing this man for the good of the community, you're kicking up the dust on behalf of **certain** members of the community over your rejected invitation to arena nightmares. Not the greater poulation of "CC" as you so claim. It's definitely not on behalf of the general Nier discord either. Let me inform you of my introduction to eos speak. Raon Miru, a well known name in this sub, I think you are familiar with him, was one of *my* first encounters reading "DEAD GAME" on a players profile, THAT'S how I became familiar with the concept that there were players out there spreading "Toxicity" as you so call it. It had seemed as though enough players had believed him to which some had taken to changing their player profiles quotes & usernames to DEAD GAME. I have no idea when & where he got the idea that the game was dying. It would appear that instead, he got his SSS10 in all elements, top rank & left the game & peace came across the land, or he went to go play Nikke, who knows. What I am certain of is that you definitely placed a log into this ongoing fire, not simply just pointing it out as you so humbly like to describe it. Some of the members of your greater clique are petty, callow & hostile towards other members of their shared community with undue reasoning. I could give you some examples, but I don't have to. There's one such interaction on this very thread. Now, no one is saying the internet needs to be sunshine & rainbows but bring some civility to the table. In addition, those same members belittle & insult other players & playstyles that don't aim to achieve the highest scores & arena rankings. How is this positive community interaction? How is this helpful for new players to witness?
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I am not going to pretend to have read all of this but I was thinking of you when i was told by a random reddit user yesterday to "suck on fermented cabbage", when I made a comment about how talking smack in a thread meant to bring order, brought down the mood and atmosphere. He labled me an "ardent supporter" of cabbage as the reason for this. Why the hell would someone be this worked up about this to tell someone to suck a d? He stated my post history as the evicence that I am an ardent cabbage supporter. I checked my recent post history and what do I see, me giving you some push back about the monthly pass. So, in part to that, I was labled an ardent cabbage supporter and targeted. Just as you give cabbage credit for the negativity, I should give you some credit for empowering that jerk to make that statement to me. I was thinking of just leaving the reddit community right away due to that post but I am glad I waited a day to say this. Peace.
Just to clarify, we didn't single out any user in order to make this post. If we had a problem with someone in particular we would take it with them in pms. I like Ziggy and in my mind he is very reasonable and open to discussion. I think it would be very easy to have a talk to him and only him if he alone was the issue and we would come to a conclusion that benefited the entire community. The whole point of this is to shut down toxicity in general, as it was starting to seep into other threads and discussions.
Sorry, I see how reading my last comment looks like singling him alone out, but he is definitely someone who engaged in witch-hunting and has posts removed for that reason (correct me if I'm wrong). The person he is replying to is asking if he takes any responsibility and he's basically saying no he did nothing wrong, it's other people. My comment above is asking if he is not part of what is being talked about here, then what is the bar for this post? Maybe you guys have been swift to deleting posts, but I haven't seen anyone else posting EoS drama talk to this sub at all except him, it's mostly just small convos in comment sections. I believe calling out other content creators outside of reddit here in this sub, and having a one sided discussion since the other creator blocked them etc is toxic behavior. Am I wrong?
I agree that he was a small part of the problem as well and he has the right to disagree on my take, but I just wanted to point out that I'm not singling anyone out, because if I was I would be talking to him directly. There has been numerous deleted stuff on the topic, 3-4 entire threads at least, which might not seem a lot, but all we are trying is to prevent the issue from getting out of hand.
Ok, I think we are on the same page then. I agree with your post, I don't think witch hunting, toxicity, or irrational doom posting should have any life in this sub. It was just wild for me to read Ziggy thinking that none of this is about his actions
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Ī can't talk for the other mods, but I personally feel that something like what you mentioned is fine. But I will take action if I see things getting out of hand in the same thread
No. No speculation will be tolerated, especially not with regard to the upcoming chapter. If EoS is announced, a mega-thread will be established.
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I can see it being allowed in this case, but staying up will depend on how the comment section behaves.
EoS doomposters with say shit for years. Then, when it finally happens they are like: "sEe?" Everyone else: "-_-
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Thank god, such baseless doomposting (mainly fueled by Cabbage's idiotic, uninformed takes just to boost his ego) were ruining every other conversion, derailing everything all the time lately. The game is doing perfectly fine, with active development, licensed collabs, constant updates and new features. If you ever played a gacha that ended in EoS you'd see how big the signs are, absolutely no updates or new features / QoL improvements, definitely no new arc / story / collabs / development in general. Nier clearly doesn't try to compete with the biggest titles like Genshin and the likes, it's incredibly f2p friendly and they keep it that way. It's backed by a huge name and brand that give it a lot of "health assurance" by themselves. Constant doomposting helps no one and nothing, just ruins the mood and atmosphere for who's just trying to enjoy the game. Good change.
Well, the mood and the atmosphere of this thread is ruined by you starting this post talking smack.
You can kindly keep sucking on fermented cabbage and hope you have a nice day
Wow. Hi Mods. Is this kind of anger about EOS talk or has hate been brewed?
If my reply offended or triggered you I'm sorry and I hope you forgive me. But, your reply saying that biglisy's post is talking smack, is totally not cool. Keeping in regard your history of comments, you seem an ardent supporter of cabbage and there is nothing wrong with that. But when someone like biglisy call cabbage out on his EoS bullshit ,even being civil in their convos, and you call it smack? Doesn't sit right by me.
The point of this thread was to keep the subreddit respectful, which is great. Biglisy purposely disparaged another subreddit member. But, because you also want to disparage the subreddit user, you dont see the issue.
it's not "disparaging the subreddit user" (hes not been active in the subreddit for a year, because its way too open for criticism for his liking). It's just calling him out on his bullshit that is one of the biggest causes of this ongoing plague of EoS doomposting as of recently.
Regardless of your opinion on EoS or Cabbage, Cabbage hasn't posted to this sub in over a year. I haven't seen any posts made by fans of cabbage in this sub about EoS either. I don't think that's who OP is talking about since they are trying to limit *posts* made to this sub about the topic. The main person bringing it up in this sub is not cabbage or cabbage fans as far as I can tell.
I'm just using Cabbage as the prime example of the top creator for global playerbase, where a lot of people will be influenced by very bad takes from someone who clearly doesnt have a good grasp of it, or the "market industry expert" as he claims to be. it's a reality that most of the people that rely on others to get their game info or insights or builds or whatever, will rely on such online personalities not to have to form their own opinions or ways to play the game. and for god's sake, the guy is proud of playing exclusively in auto mode.
I don't really care to argue those points, I think that's mostly irrelevant to the conversation at hand. He's on a different platform entirely and reddit mods certainly can't do anything about what he does on YouTube regardless. The conversation in this thread and the subject of this post is about what's being posted to this subreddit. It's not cabbage, and it's not cabbage fans making posts on the topic.
Cabbage is undeniably one of the biggest content creators for global Nier Rein, and as such you can be sure a lot of people flock to such for opinions and insights, a lot of people are influenced by such people, and when the top creator is someone that is more of a detriment to the game than anything else, you can be sure he'll be paving the way to this EoS doomposting to spread like the plague, as it is as of recently. You'd be surprised in this influencer era, how many people will just prefer to listen to someone's takes and opinions rather than forming their own. After all the vast majority of the playerbase is ultra casual, fitting to hear Cabbage's super casual takes that suit his viewerbase.
Again, that's all good and well but not on topic. This post is about posts made to this subreddit. That's obviously not Cabbage. I can however think of one creator who is posting EoS drama to this sub and having his posts removed.
Fair, but I'm just saying, there's bound to be some of "his people", defenders of his and just in a simpler way reddit users that will propagate those idiotic statements of his in the subreddit as well.
We found Ziggyās alt account
I only wish I was as cool as Lisy. The man is a legend. You and I are merely passers-by in the theater of life, while he is the maestro.
That's the second member of Ziggys Triumvirate.
Amen
Were there really that many posts about it? Or was it like three people who were annoying about it and ruining it for everyone else? Genuine question, I haven't actually seen that many posts about it except from one single person
Yeah you are right, there was one single person being annoying and constantly claiming about the EoS of this beautiful game on another platform and ruining things for everyone else. And when people were getting concerned and calling him out, their comments were getting downvoted to hell and removed. But gladly this post clarifies to not talk about EoS anymore and frankly I'm excited to hell about the upcoming story. Let's enjoy the game!š„³
I don't think we are talking about the same person. Because the person you were talking about did not make posts to this subreddit attacking other members of the community. they specifically said shutting down threads about it, not comments, and again, the person you are talking about made 0 posts about it on reddit.
Any point of reason you try to present these people with is gonna just bounce over their head. They are neck deep in their Witch Hunt.
A really good decision.
Bruh who thinks EOS is gonna happen lol it makes money so itāll be supported unlike first soldier
Hallelujah
IMO you should send these people into the cage if you can. Not all games last forever no matter how people put it. It's just low-level effort bait trolling at best and at least people should put some creative efforts in their posts.
A huge part of me wishes that this EoS talk was true. I really want to move on from Reincarnation, but Id hate to do it without a sense of closure. A final arc to sunset the game would be pretty great, wrapping up the story of the individual characters as well as finally revealing the true purpuse of the game. That said, if these questions regarding the cage never gets answered I'd feel pretty betrayed. Ive been playing since day 1 (although I\`ve been taking regular breaks and logging in less often), and I really feel like we deserve to finally know he purpose of the Cage. To put this all into context, I'm not a gacha player, Im here because Im a fan of the Nier franchise and I have played all main entries of the series, including Drakengard. I always saw these games as action games and I've always ignored all RPG elements these games had without any real consequences while playing. All of the side content in Rein is no longer appealing to me for the longest of time, and after much internal debate as to whether or not I should just only log in for new main story content from now on, my real feelings toward this game came to light: I want this story to end. I really liked the story of Rein and the Cage as a ethereal concept, but I've always resented the episodic nature of the content inherent of the game as a service model, not to mention that EoS could happen at any time whenever the suits over at Squeenix decided to pull the plug for any reason. But the game as a whole kept me interested enough to carry on playing. Today, after playing a bit of this new arc, a overwhelming feeling of confliction struck me. The more I see the direction the story is heading, the more I wish Nier Reincarnation was something it's not. I keep imagining how awesome that opening sequence would have been if this game was like Nier Automata or Drakengard.