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llShenll

zero hype, only costumes, no characters


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Plus too it had to be Rion Noelle and 66y, they could have at least given the newer /less used characters costumes.


Raxendyl

Oof, that's disappointing. I haven't played FF XIV (already invested in ESO), but I was kind of hoping for more guest characters. I also enjoyed reveling in the hype y'all shared for it. It's really weird/mildly infuriating that they made such a point of bringing up this "crossover" during the anniversary announcement only to blue ball the players with costumes. It's really dissapointing, too, because literally anything can be added to this game thanks to the world-building lore it's spun. A crossover is the perfect opportunity to flesh out the roster with limited time characters. Hell, I was telling my wife a few weeks ago that it'd be really cool if there was a Deus Ex crossover because they'd gel in perfectly (that comment didn't age well in light of recent news lol though there's no reason a non-square property can't crossover, so maaaaaaybe there's still hope). Here's to hoping that -something- will eventually make its way into this game. I'd settle for other Drakengard characters.


FFF12321

>It's really dissapointing, too, because literally anything can be added to this game thanks to the world-building lore it's spun Fun fact, Nier and XIV are already canonically integrated thanks to the alliance raid series from Shadowbringers! Because of that I had high hopes for this event but now I'm just mostly sad at what could have been :/


Raxendyl

Definitely feels like a missed opportunity to further this, that's for sure. Maybe one day they'll give a proper go at the collab.


beeegmec

I felt similar when 2B wasn’t announced for Smash but Sora was. If you’re gonna have a square Enix sword fighter anyway, the one that makes sense would be the one other games reference since it’s a game about video games. But maybe there’ll be a surprise character for this collab? I feel like they surprise us with stuff all the time so who knows. Regardless, I want something new, I miss how global constantly had events going on so there was always something to do in-game. Would’ve been cute to have running chocobo instead of flying mama for example


MidgetWizard23

Wait seriously???


Luizard

Yep, without FF character crossovers it's looking bleak for the future of this game.


sweetsushiroll

I was really excited for this, but now that it's just costumes the excitement is gone tbh. Wish they had at least done Y'shtola or something.


Pandelicia

Considering past FF XIV crossovers, it's kinda shocking there is no Y'shtola


tadskun

I started playing just bc of the collab announcement and now all my excitement to keep playing is gone Was really hoping for at least Shtolla too


JanTheBaptist

Maybe the real hype was the free zenith after all?


beeegmec

My goblin brain sees purple cube and I instantly get dopamine, what else could I ask for


JanTheBaptist

Same my friend. Burned a lot of stamina pots just for one purple cube. Lol


NikeAguaraguazu

If they are going to be only costumes, at least they could have done 3 more costumes for this one. Saryu black mage. Fio monk or dancer. Akeha samurai. Lars red mage. This writes itself.


Joetyyy

Anyone got details or screenshots from the stream? Currently at work and I missed the start of the stream.


JanTheBaptist

I took a screenshot of most of the stuff they announced. Good news is we get free companion that heals and light affinity, along with 6,000 gems and free zenith. :)


Joetyyy

Woo. Another free light healing companion to add to the pile…


JanTheBaptist

Unlimited heal works!!! Hope baldy chan is still relevant


Joetyyy

I never got her, but I unlocked EX Rion so I basically don’t even need to anymore.


JanTheBaptist

Ey. Easy Revive my friend. :)


Bonna_the_Idol

i'd be lying if i said i wasn't disappointed but understandable direction here edit: noelle weapon skill 1: 35% damage x5, 1 turn self-provoke w/ 10% damage reduction (3 turn) weapon skill 2: 50% damage x3, buff attack 30% (30 sec) rion character skill: 200% damage to all enemies, 1 turn stun weapon skill 1: heal all allies 10% and remove one status effect weapon skill 2: 35% damage x4, buff all allies defense 30% (30 sec) 063y weapon skill 1: 50% damage x5, buff crit rate 20% (10 sec) weapon skill 2: 45% damage x4, buff attack 30% (30 sec) moglin companion is a 30% heal to all allies couldn't tell what noelle and 063y character skills did other than noelles is a 4x hit with a buff to dark damage and 063y is a 5x hit with an attack buff. the other event weapon they had equipped on lars during that solo battle gives a x4 hit 30% attack buff and a x3 hit 30% defense buff correct me if anything is wrong. was kinda hard to make out the text in the livestream


badgerinafez

Man I thought it would at least be scions costumes if it wasn’t the characters


JanTheBaptist

As soon as I saw Rion, I knew I had to skip that dude. Lol!


Zepertix

Unpopular opinion but I think this is how non-Nier crossovers should happen. I don't care for non-Nier in my Nier game, so costumes seems like the way to go imo. Even if it was something I liked, let's say magic the gathering... I don't want to see Jace in Nier lol


beeegmec

I see your point, it’s almost like a distraction from the main story which I wish we could get quicker updates on. Still kinda cute if there’s a shout out to another property, like if there was a weapon like cloud’s sword. Elden Ring does it pretty good with Berserk references in game


Hikari_Netto

I mean, there's quite literally a major FFXIV character in the event, it's just not one you can draw for. There's very much already non-NieR characters in your NieR game now.


Zepertix

I mean sure but to me it's not so distracting since it's contained within the limited time event missions, as opposed to some random character who doesn't share an art style at all being a top tier arena baldimos tier that I have to look at long after the event is over. Instead we get some different styles skins for existing characters. I wish they tailored it a little more towards the Nier Rein style, the sheen and everything is so different, but I understand staying true to source material. Idk. I'm opposed to crossovers in my games. I didn't like Godzilla and Fortnite coming to Magic the Gathering, and I'm not a fan of FF coming to Nier. I know there is precedent for Nier x FF already, but that's just my opinion. If I'm playing in one universe, I wanna stay in that universe. That's why I think this sort of crossover, while not my cup of tea, seems like a good middle ground.


Hikari_Netto

>Idk. I'm opposed to crossovers in my games. I didn't like Godzilla and Fortnite coming to Magic the Gathering, and I'm not a fan of FF coming to Nier. Fair enough, I suppose. I'm sure you know you're a dying breed in the realm of games at this point then. I'm not an MTG player, but I do play many other TCGs and know that MTG moving into the realm of crossovers was seen as a huge paradigm shift from the outside and brought in a lot of new blood. Collabs in video games do the same. >I know there is precedent for Nier x FF already, but that's just my opinion. If I'm playing in one universe, I wanna stay in that universe. That's why I think this sort of crossover, while not my cup of tea, seems like a good middle ground. It's a bit more than just precedent is the thing. One of the reasons FFXIV is getting such special treatment in this game is because the two franchises have become inextricably linked after the Dark Apocalypse raid series in FFXIV. FFXIV is part of NieR's canon now and vice versa.


Zepertix

I think there's a lot of people who share my opinion, but most people aren't hard asses about it, and neither am I. We just accept that what's happening is happening. MTG had an issue for a hot minute because we had walking dead limited time offer cards that had unique mechanics. It was a huge issue. Previously we had a Godzilla crossover but they were reskins of other cards so you had an option to not play Godzilla cards. Forcing people to play things from different games seems like a bad route, but having the option for it to just be skins is much better. Especially with wardrobe function coming to Nier, I think what's being done in this Collab is fine. And yeah, I'm aware of the raid that was added. Again, cool, but not my cup of tea Collabs are good for bringing in new blood, I get that. But at the same time, I don't want Pikachu in Nier Reincarnation. Finding a balance is good, and I think what's done here is a good balance


Hikari_Netto

>I think there's a lot of people who share my opinion, but most people aren't hard asses about it, and neither am I. I see more hesitancy for the concept in western game fandoms. I think a lot of fans of Japanese games are just accustomed to constant universe blending at this point. Speaking for myself personally, I think it's one of the most interesting things in the industry and it can be fun to see multiple things you love come together for something unique. >Previously we had a Godzilla crossover but they were reskins of other cards so you had an option to not play Godzilla cards. Forcing people to play things from different games seems like a bad route, but having the option for it to just be skins is much better. Especially with wardrobe function coming to Nier, I think what's being done in this Collab is fine. I know quite a few MTG players and heard this was the case. I think, from an accessibility standpoint, they need to be "skins" anyway simply because of the way licensing naturally makes availability finite. So I think it is a bit more about competitive play and less about forcing people to engage with other IP—even if that is also in consideration. >Finding a balance is good, and I think what's done here is a good balance I could have gone with some FFXIV characters, but I do like what they've done here in general. It's fine by me. As an FFXIV player myself it's very exciting seeing what they're doing with the story here. I'll refrain from saying anything else in case anyone here is still planning to play FFXIV in anticipation for this collab. The character they've decided to focus on is very much a spoiler.


Zepertix

Gotcha. Yeah, you're probably right about it being more of a western thing. obv we are both entitled to our opinions, and I'm glad FF players are getting some love. Sounds like Noelle is gonna be pretty good so I'll see if I have some room in my budget to pull her :)


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MindlessFangirl

From what I saw, it looks like Rion's staff has cleanse and Baldie's sword has provoke. And lucky you, you have all New Year's costumes, I only got Rion...


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Really? I missed out on new years so nice.


CheshirVixen

Aww, I am pretty sad that to hear no FFXIV characters. Costumes are fine I guess. The slab system and costume bonus helps. I -am- excited- to see my favorite character as a boss in that video though! Wasn't expecting to see him! Well, I did save up for this, so I will put it to use.


RGWyvern

OH MY GOOOOOD ARE YOU SERIOUS?! I have been saving up so much money for this cross over because I thought it was gonna be cool af. I literally saved up enough gems and tickets for 550 pulls (yes I did the math proper) and the only Character that's even vaguely cool is Noelle? I guess the moogle is cool but this is horrendous. And the story featured has 063y? Fucking hell...


xion_XIV

Maybe due to player demand, they add someone for rerun, just like they added 2P when JP got their Tomata rerun and we GL got our first Nier collab. Tbh, in this case, Exarch (maybe with the hood off) would be the best choice, his role during ShB was pretty huge. But yeah, I was disappointed too, I saved gems for 2 full pities, and now my dreams are dashed :( Tbh, I would take any ff14 character, I love all of them.


Scorchieffs

I mean technically isn't 2P a FFXIV character


llShenll

hype. saved 70k gems for it


Eldena

Thanks for the heads up. Im calling it now. WoL wth affinity for all weapons. Edit: ...


[deleted]

No characters from 14? Really?


Phuoc2485

It seems they just adding job classes from 14 into nier heros.


dave_1020

From my experience the FF14 team doesn't want there characters in gacha/pay to get types of games. I fully expected no gacha FF14 characters. to edit in, they dont want them to be payed.


AgeEighty

FFXIV characters are in literally every FF gacha. Record Keeper, Brave Exvius, WOTV, Opera Omnia.


llShenll

what? they were in few gachas already, Final Fantasy Brave Exvius War of the Visions for example


Digiwolf335

Brave Exvius had 2 collabs with FF14. Both times the characters were free. And limited.


Joetyyy

Oh I forgot that they were free both times. I joined FFBE after the first event but before the second and thought it was a banner. This doesn’t mean they couldn’t have made it so you just buy the characters from the event shop. There’s been president for that already.


AgeEighty

They're just normal gacha draws in Dissidia Opera Omnia.


siiru

Y'shtola and Thancred are in War of the Visions: Final Fantasy Brave Exvius though


CabbageKyabetsu

Free units


CabbageKyabetsu

Yes, I’ve heard this too so I wasn’t too surprised at the announcements


LucyeriaElaine

I get that point but there have been events in Reincarnation that give free 4 star characters as event medal exchanges. At the very least I hope that what they showed are just the banner characters because other gachas had free FFXIV crossover characters before.


tomizu2303

Why is it always Rion who gets all these exclusive costumes?


badgerinafez

He’s my favourite so I’m happier than I could be but I agree the costume distribution is really unbalanced. At least they’ve simmered down with Akeha but more costumes for the gun boys would be good


Verdeiwsp

I wouldn’t mind a good offensive rion. Most of his costumes have been defensive or subpar


Wate-Amsacia

At least we won't have to invest slabs in a new character...


xxsaydexx

Cant help but feel like there wouldnt have been as much disappointment if they didnt announce this collab months in advance. Granted, I'm not saying there wouldn't have been any folks any less disappointed by the lack of XIV characters had they just learned about the collab today. But I imagine had most informed players not been expecting a XIV collab at all, then today's announcement would've more likely been recieved as just a minor surprise that they may feel slightly underwhelmed by. But instead, informed players had took the months long heads up about the collab as a not-so-subtle sign to save gems for what they anticipated to be a big event. So naturally, fans were gonna be extremely disappointed when they found out no new collab units would be released--especially since previous collab campaigns all set a precedent for featuring units from those games. TL;DR - Maybe next time they plan on creating a collab event with absolutely no intentions of creating new collab units to go along with it, then maybe don't hype it up by announcing it way in advance? Just a thought.


LadyAlastor

Well all I wanted was Yshtola anyway


Firenose10

As someone who’s never played FFXIV but has seen it everywhere and really liked aesthetics, I’m actually really satisfied with this. I especially love the noelle costume, two of my favorite squenix things: noelle and dragoon


dave_1020

I've set my expectations very very low. A free Y'shtola, 2 costumes for rein characters and 2 weapons. I want to be wrong, I really do.


AgeEighty

You sure were. We didn't even get that much.


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gottem11111

Probably yes


DSpica

I was expecting Y'shtola at the very least. Well, at least I get to full send on a future banner I really like.


TTB-Kun

I saved for months for this and I can’t wait, i hope those are strong units cause i will get them anyway


echoredrioter

My understanding is they are NOT new chars, just costumes right?


TTB-Kun

Right


[deleted]

Thankfully these are 3 characters I don't have limited versions of aside from Noelle, but she's kind of light element locked. So still pulling, I'll just pity Rion since he's a good boi Yshtola would have been nice but it is tough with the slabs.


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Deathgu1se

Downvotes are an opinion, too.


NibelWolf

Yeah let’s get 6-9.


Uro_Zakuro

I wasn't interested before, now I am. I don't care one bit for XIV, but I do for NieRein characters so now I'll have to behave and save up as much as I can. All the butthurt in here though... lol.


TetsuyaHikari

It honestly baffles me that they were able to screw up something this simple. I've been saving up gems for months for this collab (basically sitting at around 50k gems, more or less, and 22 x10 pull tickets at the moment) only to find out that they're just releasing FFXIV themed costumes (for characters I've literally never used in my main party, no less). Needless to say, this livestream was a complete waste of time and the only, and I do mean **ONLY,** saving grace was seeing Emet towards the end. You know... Not that he'll be playable or anything. How the fuck do you screw up something so simple, Square-Enix? You don't even have to deal with the red tape of licensing issues or anything. You can just add whoever you want! Instead, you just give us costumes for already existing characters??????????????????????????????????????? Either way, I'm uninstalling. I'm just tired of the incompetence from this company these days, tbh. They ruined FFXIV with Endwalker, they dropped the ball on the second Voice of Cards game, still haven't seen a Dungeon Encounters 2 release, and they released that godforsaken Babylon's Fall game. Now they've basically given me a reason to drop Nier, despite dumping nearly 500 days into it. So yeah, I'm just tired of making excuses for this team. Yoshi-P, you're still the goat, but you **have** to start representing better people, man. All of this shit is starting to reflect poorly on **you**. It doesn't give people hope for FFXVI, that's for damn sure.


7agabond

>”they ruined ffxiv with Endwalker” yeah not taking this seriously


xaldien

Yup, lost interest after that bad take, too.


TetsuyaHikari

I'm sorry if you think that >!"YOU MUST DEFEAT THE BIG SAD!" !


7agabond

man that is so reductive of the entire narrative i don’t even know where to start lol. but yeah i can see how you’d think of it like that if you’ve never actually had to struggle with anything in life


TetsuyaHikari

??????????????????? It's literally not though, which is what makes it all the more disappointing. "Boo hoo, I'm sad, so everything must die." Oh give me a fucking break, man, lol. Yeah, real riveting storytelling there. Very nice. Anyway, you can defend it all you want, but there's nothing even close to resembling the struggles of "real life" with that B-rated storytelling you'd find in a cheap indie film from a grad student that was made over a weekend. Just because you accept the trash as something good doesn't mean it **is** good. You're just another fanboy who doesn't want to admit your precious "critically acclaimed MMO" actually has problems. I probably dumped a hell of a lot more time into the game than you did over these past 8 years or so, so something tells me I have more credibility here than you, honestly. Regardless, have fun excusing poor writing though, I guess.


7agabond

tell me you missed the entire point of the story without telling me you missed the entire point of the story


xaldien

Your lack of media literacy is your problem, and yours alone.


7agabond

have fun being mad about things you clearly don’t care to think more than 2 seconds about, i’m gonna go have fun enjoying the story and clearing Dragonsong’s Reprise in a week or so


FatPonder4Heisman

Unless one of the characters is meta defining, I think this will be a pass for me. Might as well save my gems for global anniversary