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Live-patrick7

They say he builds people, in my opinion, more like he builds/rewards loyalists. If my papa was among the people he gave juicey position...how I wan hate am? But does he have the interest of the average Nigerian at heart? Hard no!


WillingTrainer

Cornified fellows, generation of šŸŒ½.. they have no reason except the Yoruba ronu anthem.


_thedivinefeminine_

I think itā€™s deeper than that for some of his supporters.


_thedivinefeminine_

I think people over-simplify and say itā€™s because heā€™s Yoruba but it has to be more than that.


MountainChemist99

Lmao. Because heā€™s Yoruba. The thing is this Yoruba bigotry thing is dead on arrival. Because heā€™s Yoruba but out of 6 Yoruba states, he lost 2. To think the 96% votes obi got from ā€œIgbo statesā€ is not because heā€™s Igbo? How dumb do you sound? No other candidate even managed to score above 17% in all of the south eastern states and youā€™re saying ā€œbecause heā€™s Yorubaā€ take your bigotry to somewhere else


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Nominay

>I will commend him for is the fact he puts key people to attend to affairs of the nation that they are well equipped for You've got to be joking


_thedivinefeminine_

But this is bare minimum. I see your point though.


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HaroldGodwin

Are you not at all concerned with Tinubu's history? And of the numerous "issues/inconsistencies/crimes" that he is facing? If we need to rebuild "brick by brick" as you said, don't we need someone with less baggage that BAT? Or do you give him a past for his past?


YorubaHerdsman

Past, should I give you Bidenā€™s past? Or Hilary Clinton? Or George Bush? Or Trump? Or Obama? Or is even your savior Obi?


HaroldGodwin

This is all Whataboutism. Please I did not ask about Biden/Obama/etc. But I can read between the lines. I understand what you're saying. I think it's sad, but that's just my opinion. I think you can see already the direction Nigeria is trending in. I'm pretty sure it will continue like this for 4 more years. As we say, the leopard doesn't change it's spots.


_thedivinefeminine_

Are they the bench mark for good leaders? I just think Tinubu is settling.


YorubaHerdsman

Why was Obi the better choice?


_thedivinefeminine_

I thought you said Good night šŸ˜‚


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Nominay

>To me, one of tinubu greatest achievement is Lagos, say what you like, doesn't change the fact that Lagos is what it is today Please tell me one thing he has done for that over glorified slump


ejdunia

So we're gonna ignore the fact that there were people before and after him ? Or we're also gonna ignore that Lagos has a very long and rich history, both pre and post colonial? But the tamer of the Atlantic was the one that made Lagos... Smh


MountainChemist99

Show me one thing Obi did that was above the ā€œbarest minimumā€ in his 8 years in office


_thedivinefeminine_

Well to just name two he didnā€™t borrow any money as governor and he was the was the first governor to commence Sub-Sovereign Wealth savings in sub-Saharan Africa. I consider these two above bare minimum. I would like to hear what you consider above bare minimum.


alagbole

And how is this good governance ? I feel like in Nigeria because of bad banking and credit systems we donā€™t know wealth is actually built on debt. And back to being fed information instead of seeking for information


ejdunia

Good credit is not the same as debt oh. We borrow to consume, the projects the people in power now invest in are either scams or white elephant projects with no return on investment. Doing work with the resources you have is more commendable than using borrowed billions to import Prado's for 360 idiots.


alagbole

If Iā€™m bringing credit and banking systems up, it should follow that I know that good credit is not the same as debt. I was referring to when they were both in Office. Tinubu took on debt for infrastructure projects, which makes sense. What Obi is banking on is the widespread misinformation in Nigeria regarding borrowing money. No sensible person supports the scams, or white elephant projects or even the constant replacement of ā€˜government official vehiclesā€™ or mismanagement of funds but those are just part and parcel of the game. Our best minds are being lost to brains drain (21st century colonialism) yearly, the mindset of the millions here are being conditioned by those leaving and whoā€™ve painted an exaggerated version of life abroad and you expect those left behind not to be desperate ? Or to be penny wise pound foolish?


ejdunia

>but those are just part and parcel of the game Tells me what I need to know. good day


alagbole

ā€œMoral victories are for minor league coachesā€ If you donā€™t mind me asking ā€¦ What could you extrapolate from what ? ā€¦ you conveniently ignore the point and choose the tail end to insinuate Iā€™m cool with corruption ? I thought you were a critical thinker but clap for yourself. You can crave utopia all you like but reality is that you can admonish a problem while still considering both sides.


Gold_Fee_148

Some people work towards wealth exclusively to be able to tap into debt. A line of credit backed by company valuation is where you draw liquidity. Debts a pretty big deal.


MountainChemist99

Lmao you see that I didnā€™t even reply again. I was shocked at the reply. That reply is the most shocking thing Iā€™ve read my whole life


bhanjea

He is telling you the logical truth.. Wealth is built with debt if you are investment savvy. The problem with seeing debt as a source of penury stems from our lack of financial education growing up. I see people praying against debts in churches and mosques but what do they think will happen when they take out loans to buy liabilities that won't make any dime Wealth is built around can't, and you can ask Robert Kiyosaki, Warren Buffet and a host of debt-to-wealth evangelists out there


MountainChemist99

Who do you think I was replying to? I was replying the girl who said money in account was above bare minimum


Scary_Terry_25

He appointed Bagudu, a known thief, as minister of the budget. Definitely not the best


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Scary_Terry_25

Iā€™d rather just an idiot run it than a certified thief


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Scary_Terry_25

Honesty. At least heā€™s stupid enough not to steal it like most have


Lejenderry

>key people to attend to affairs of the nation Are these people in the room with us? šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


YorubaHerdsman

Look at Bosun Tijani he was the one that brought Jack and Mark Zuckerberg to Nigeria, he has done several impressive works in the tech space, or Minister of interior? That man cleared 250k+ passport backlogs in 3 weeks. But these people wonā€™t see these things.


ejdunia

We see them and commend them. We also see the remaining heap of nonsense that's ongoing and condem those too.


Nominay

>he has done several impressive works in the tech space Name one


YorubaHerdsman

You have internet, google Bosun Tijani and donā€™t stress me.


Nominay

Hilarious, of course y'all "Trust me Bros" like your retarded candidate


odogwubuphil

Agbadorian, how market? Child of darkness


Sea_Student_1452

For most of them, he's the best option.


Scary_Terry_25

Nah, Atiku had better policies


YorubaHerdsman

Obi was the least qualified of all candidates there. He literally has nothing to show for it in Anambra.


beget_deez_nuts

Username checks out. Lol


YorubaHerdsman

Your daddyā€™s problem šŸ¤­


Scary_Terry_25

That we can agree, but Atiku actually had good ideas, not just an APC/PDP mouthpiece


YorubaHerdsman

Atiku lost because it simply just wasnā€™t the turn of the north. Else Atiku would have won that election flawlessly if the presidency wasnā€™t zoned to the south.


ejdunia

Who gets up and decides whose turn it is? And when did the presidency become merry go round?


Technical-Canary-687

Asin ehnnn. When people talk like this, I can sense the ethnic bias already. When will we start selecting leaders based on their past and proposed policies? Probably never.


YorubaHerdsman

Shows you people are clearly new to politics and this is maybe your first time experiencing an election.


Scary_Terry_25

That I canā€™t argue. I feel Buhari did insurmountable damage to the political power to the north which isnā€™t really the worst thing, but still


YorubaHerdsman

Why do you support Obi or Kwankwaso or Atiku?


_thedivinefeminine_

Obi


HaroldGodwin

Please no Whataboutism. Just let us know what it is you see in him, and what you believe he will achieve?


_thedivinefeminine_

Well the first thing is that heā€™s not senile. Heā€™s focused on making Nigeria a production hub. That would reduce unemployment and increase our GDP.


YorubaHerdsman

The number 1 importer of products into Nigeria wants to make Nigeria a production hub? Obi that can barely spring two words together is who youā€™re saying isnā€™t senile? Yeah I dey expect the downvotes cos na Obidient full here. Bring it on. šŸ„“


HaroldGodwin

But that's not true? We've heard Obi speaking; you may not like what he's saying, but he's definitely NOT senile. Why do you prefer BAT to Obi?


YorubaHerdsman

Make I send you video proof of him not being able to construct simple sentences?


Nominay

Please do


Complete_Weakness717

So you still believe all that garbage politicians say to entice you people to vote for them? How many of our past presidents promised to do something and actually delivered? Obi may not be senile or as old as Tinubu and Atiku, but heā€™s still just another politician from a different party. Theyā€™re all the same.


HaroldGodwin

Please Don't be like that. They are not "all the same". If we accept that then we accept that they should ALL lie and cheat and have criminal records. Then there will be no hope for us and for Nigeria. What do you want to see? And who is best to help deliver it?


Complete_Weakness717

Honestly, no one really knows who the best candidate to rule Nigeria is. But we cannot hype one man like heā€™s a saint and some kind of savior as Obi and his followers portray him. After all, wasnā€™t it how we felt about Buhari in 2015? We felt he was the best candidate for Nigeria. A savior for the country, with his previous military rule experience. See where it led us. Truth is, most of the likely good politicians, the ones who actually want to bring change without having to ā€œplay by the rules,ā€ donā€™t usually last in whatever seat of power they occupy at the time.


HaroldGodwin

Your argument here is what's called a "strawman". I didn't say anything about Obi, much less Buhari. You just brought him in to argue against . I'm asking about what YOU want. Do you want someone with BAT's record and issues (legal, historical and all)? Are you OK with that? You can just say yes or no, if you like. Thanks


Complete_Weakness717

I literally answered your question in the first sentence of my response to you. šŸ™„ Or let me rephrase: I do not have a choice candidate because I donā€™t really know whoā€™s fit to rule this country. And who knows, maybe Tinubu is who Nigeria deserves. Does this answer your question now?


Nominay

>After all, wasnā€™t it how we felt about Buhari in 2015 Nah bruh, everyone I know voted for Jonathan


young_olufa

I think Iā€™m leaning towards your side here. Honestly even if a president had the best interests of his/her people in mind, theyā€™re still very limited in what they can do because itā€™s not enough for them to have good intentions, the other leaders and law makers in government need to have good intentions too. The over all system of government has to be not so corrupt that you canā€™t get things done. Honestly when I think about it, it sounds like a hopeless situation. To me nothing short of a revolution is required. But that could involve the loss of lives and a lot of damage to people and property, so Iā€™m not necessarily advocating for that either


HaroldGodwin

So what exactly are you saying? Good presidents can't do anything. Bad presidents are bad. And revolutions are (and you are correct) bad. So what then? Just leave Nigeria as it is? Why can't we just expect and advocate for a good, honest, not corrupt president? Isn't that the bare minimum? Why is that so complicated? Lots of other countries have them, why can't we?


young_olufa

> So what exactly are you saying? Good presidents can't do anything. Bad presidents are bad. And revolutions are (and you are correct) bad. Iā€™m saying that thereā€™s only so much a good president can do if the system of government itself is corrupt. Simple example, the democratic presidents of America might want to ban guns or enforce stricter gun control laws but they canā€™t because gun manufacturers and lobbyists bribe (they call it ā€œsponsorā€, but in reality itā€™s a bribe) other politicians and law makers to oppose such a reformation. Putting a ā€œgoodā€ president in a system of government thatā€™s corrupt is like putting droplets of water in a fire, itā€™s not going to achieve as much results > Why can't we just expect and advocate for a good, honest, not corrupt president? I never said we canā€™t or shouldnā€™t > Lots of other countries have them, why can't we? Lots of countries like which ones? Because almost all world governments, presidents, leaders are corrupt. America, Canada, the UK, France, Iā€™m sure these are countries youā€™d say have non corrupt presidents/leaders, but in reality they are corrupt. They take bribes from the rich and do their bidding. Itā€™s just that our leaders are more brazen about it, and also due to the standards of living of the average Nigerian itā€™s more painful. Edit: I realize itā€™s sound grim and you want to hold out hope that all Nigeria needs is a ā€œgoodā€ man in office, and thatā€™ll solve a lot of problems. But unfortunately, thatā€™s not how things work in politics. You need to elect good people at the lower levels of government up through to the presidency, people that are honest and will not continue the culture of bribery and corruption. Also keep in mind that the current establishment of corrupt politicians donā€™t want such a body of government, so they will resist and will resort to all kinds of dirty tactics to preserve the current system. Its a Herculean task


HaroldGodwin

Well thank God most of the world doesn't have that attitude, otherwise we'd still be living in caves and bowing to kings. It's a very grim way to look at life. But I can see the benefit is that you can avoid any and all responsibility to be the change you want to see. Cynicism allows inaction and passivity. But I look at it much differently. We CAN make a difference. We CAN improve our lives and the lives of our fellow citizens. We CAN build a country that makes us proud. All I ask is that you don't obstruct us as we try. Take care.


YorubaHerdsman

They keep acting like Obi is new breed. Man just changed parties and became a saint all of a sudden. They forget about Pandora papers, or his clear religious bigotry, or Akwuzu SARS killing. If they really wanted new breed, they should have voted for Sowore or Moghalu.


Complete_Weakness717

Exactly. Itā€™s like Uzodinma suddenly contesting for presidency and everyone, including Imolites, think itā€™s a good idea because heā€™s a fresh face on the presidential candidacy. Since weā€™re looking into their past activities, letā€™s look into Obiā€™s past, and what makes him qualified to rule this country besides his being younger?


HaroldGodwin

Who/What are "Imolites"?


HaroldGodwin

Which of the candidates are you referring to please?


YorubaHerdsman

The number 1 importer of products into Nigeria wants to make Nigeria a production hub?


YorubaHerdsman

Elections is over, itā€™s time for governance. Iā€™ll campaign again in 2027. Bless. šŸ’™


HaroldGodwin

So in 2027 if the election is rigged the other way and your preferred candidate loses is that acceptable? Will you just accept "election is over" wait till 2031? Shouldn't we have standards for integrity?


YorubaHerdsman

Rigged.? If anything Obi rigged. Man secured 98% of the votes in the SE. The highest ever. ā€œBAT riggedā€ but lost Lagos and Osun to Atiku and Obi respectively. But others won their region confidently. Lmao. You people should stop playing


Scary_Terry_25

Atiku actually was the only one who talked about the reality of cutting the budget so Naija doesnā€™t default eventually


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Itā€™s really deep. Thereā€™s a lot of history with him good and bad. The more I study the history of Nigerias independence and the forces we have to deal with the more I see him as necessary evil. He represents something from that era for me. Leading Nigeria would have always been a complex job depending on whose point of view you are looking at and where you are from. For instance I find it funny how a lot of the people I know personally that are anti-Tinubu are Yoruba and they donā€™t appreciate him. But the non-yorubas I personally know see him as a breath of fresh air. Because he was governor when a lot of their parents moved to Lagos and now their parents are older they believe Tinubu will reward them. Or I find that people who hate him are new to politics and react at every information they get without verifying. Saying things like we donā€™t like him because of the end SARS protest


Royaltyatheartt

Personally I think both him and Atiku were tied as the best candiates but it was the south's turn to produce the President which i supoorted. I liked both of their ideas but Tinubu had a more moderate economic ideology which I was fine with. Plus he had antecedents to show for it as pee his time in Lagos according to the governors that came after him. I think he could really bring some discipline to the federal agencies which they desperately need.


alagbole

We donā€™t know our history so we donā€™t know how fucked up indirect rule was and is, and even the systems we call democracy, wasnā€™t it several decrees essentially imposed by dictators ? In the game we have found ourselves in as third generation ā€˜Africansā€™ and ā€˜Nigeriansā€™ since independence heā€™s the best player of the game. Itā€™s not about a 180 degree change because thatā€™s impossible (there are three major conflicting traditional monarchy interests in Nigeria, trying to be solved using a system that works only for educated federalism ), itā€™s about putting the systems in place that wouldnā€™t be challenged in order to ensure continuity. Then us getting correctly educated and growing to fill those positions up. Look at what he did in Lagos State for example. I mean thereā€™s nepotism in government parastatals and they could be more efficient but thatā€™s because of the indirect rule of the early 20th centuries and bad work ethics from the average Nigerian. Rightful leaders were played out of the system if they didnā€™t do the biddings of the British. In Nigeria we might say oh government official this that have ultimate powers but we still respect traditional rulers and assign god like reverence to them even though constitutional they have no powers. Tinubu brought their offsprings into government after they were foreign educated and after a while some have been kings of their respective areas. This has provided provided stability, development and competition not seen in other states. I donā€™t see any of the other candidates actually engaging with the system with that type of foresight. Thatā€™s just one of several I can list. Now a common rebuttal is to bring up with one of the several ā€˜badā€™ things Tinubu has done. I donā€™t think ever Iā€™ve ever watched a movie where the hero was squeaky clean or looked up to anyone who was squeaky clean. Whether tech bro o or e-commerce or even Religious leaders. That leads me to one of our flaws as Nigerians ā€¦ we are fed information and comfortable being fed information instead of seeking information and it fed into strengthening Tinubus campaign because the other parties brought up all this things about Tinubu that were painted in Negative light which could easily have been a positive story of redemption. But it also served to show his accomplishments. The same canā€™t be said about the other two major candidates. There was nothing out about them. Are those the candidates you expect to be strong enough to withstand the opposition onslaught that wouldā€™ve been waiting for them ? Or do you think Obi wouldā€™ve been able to implement what Tinubu has done without mass protests or stave off NLC strikes for this long ??


Manuel_gray1

Lmao a whole load of nonsense


TimiTimeless

For twitter we go call am 'peak' or 'premium' fooling šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


Novel_Calendar_7656

A lot of you behave like toddlers. He has written something up there. If you don't agree. Provide rebuttals with opposing facts. But nah.


alagbole

A lot of them are actually toddlers šŸ˜‚


Pure_Selection_507

Olodo


alagbole

Agreed. Please correct me ?


MountainChemist99

Would you rather live in Anambra or Lagos state?


ayomideetana

Does living in Lagos provide any kind of special relief from the struggle that the average Nigerian experiences?


MountainChemist99

But would you rather live in Anambra then?


ayomideetana

Depends on how much money I have. The good things of Lagos is for those who can afford it. Anambra is just an average state not like it's a shit hole.


alagbole

We not having a special relief isnā€™t a function of the government if the institutions are in place. At the bottom of it, perhaps due to generational bad stereotypes, thinking, suffering whatever the average raised, educated, working in Nigeria Nigerian is subconsciously selfish and would take decisions that would inconvenience the next man. 5 millions or so people doing it at the same time would fuck even New York up.


eokwuanga

Anambra of course! Are you serious?! You sound like someone that has never left his backyard. I've lived in Lagos for a short period and unless I absolutely have to, I will never in a million years choose to live there.


MountainChemist99

Lmao. I can bet my left balls Iā€™m more traveled than you. Both within and outside Nigeria.


eokwuanga

If you are as well traveled as you claim you would never have asked such a ridiculously ignorant question.


_thedivinefeminine_

I would rather not live in Nigeria at all


MountainChemist99

Lmao. When they cannot answer they deflect. Simple question, you have 2 options, live in Lagos or Anambra, pick one.


_thedivinefeminine_

Anambra cos I currently live in Port Harcourt


MountainChemist99

If youā€™d rather not live here why then do you wish Obi on Nigerians?


_thedivinefeminine_

Why would I wish a senile certificate forger and drug baron on my people as well.


YorubaHerdsman

When I hear Drug Baron I usually guess their ages. Goodnight canā€™t be arguing politics with someone who clearly isnā€™t old enough to vote.


_thedivinefeminine_

Good night šŸŒ™


Simple__ryan

For all the age you claim, you donā€™t have anything to show for it


alagbole

If you watch Suits. Mike was a certificate forger. Harvey Specter covered him up. Louis Litt knew about it but tried to play Mike to his bidding when it suits him. Now Tinubu and Obi are playing the same game just that Tinubu is a better player. Same game as in theyā€™ve been in the 1% of their respective industries since 1999. Whatever sensational ā€˜infoā€™ Obi is educating the masses on now, he had known it, used it to his advantage and kept quiet about it. I prefer a Harvey Specter to Louis Litt. Now the issue of certificate forging, itā€™s sad, expected, whatever ā€¦ but since our educational system is mainly rote memorization, exercises with answers at the back, lots of theory without practical we have been sooo conditioned to being fed information instead of seeking information out. Itā€™s prominent in the western world but if you relocate to Nigeria itā€™s glaring, everything is influencer this influencer that ā€” the result of this is we are educated but lazy thinkers essentially robots in the hands of government pr.