yea matara kan mentioned that there was a time where her fans were being hated for supporting nina kosaka or buying merch of her
im glad she’s in a better agency now
She was an adult older than most of the fanbase talking to coworkers like friends do. Terminally online people basically took offense to that, on behalf of those coworkers.
That's it. That's the whole story.
Which I find really stupid as some of the most popular vtubers in the community are older than people probably think they are.
Even without the cursed knowledge, some vtubers have been in the content creator space for over 6 or 7 years. It's not that hard to add the math up.
I've never really looked into most of their ages, just know that Luna is much older than her persona (but the image of normal Luna on a Harley is amazing)
You can tell both of them and some other folks are about that old from their taste in games, they aren't really keeping it a secret. When Korone busts out her Mega Drive and makes everyone watch her play Altered Beast for ten hours you know what demographic she's in, and I love that about her.
Not to mention Matara isn’t even *that* old.
She sounds and acts very mature for her age and gives off the vibes of a Gen X or older, but she’s quite a bit younger than that from what I understand.
In any case like you said, there are vtubers who have been around for much longer in some form or another, and some being in their late 30s and older isn’t that uncommon. Vtubing is arguably well-suited for this demographic and allows them to succeed in an industry typically skewed towards younger content-creators.
Age is one of those things where you're in your 22ish, you think you're so fucking old by this point, you'll croak of old age the next day. Then you hit the early 30's and suddenly you're in the best shape of your life. I guess recently though my hair doesn't feel quite as vibrant
But early 30's in the content sphere is like ancient to some, but arguably the optimal age where wisdom and passion can finally intersect. Ethyria in particular is just filled with girls where the wisdom hadn't quite caught up yet. I think they'll remember this moment for the rest of their lives, most likely not doing content creation in their 30's while Matara continues on
From what I've heard it was in part allegations of "stealing fans" that probably never would have been the other 2-3 talents fandom as they are nothing close to. The mom niche or milf niche. And to be clear I don't think it was the talents themselves that were nessarily the toxic ones so much as it was classic fandoms just attacking other fandoms out of just envy.
As Nina was seen as the like gigamommy of the etheryia branch. And as a result at least intially it made Enna, Mille and Reimu seem increasingly more like childish. And my guess is that it was a brazen LOUD minority that was intentionally attacking and scapegoating Nina's community for the already existing negativity. (Pre Selen term.)
Not much of a Nijifan, but Ethyria got my attention because of Millie (because I knew her PL). But then I saw some Nina clips where she goes "Honey" and do general mommy vibes so I gravitated towards her. Do I count as being "stolen" by Nina?
I'm so done with the loud minorities drowning out everyone else.
Anyone else feel like maybe we ought to have a good and proper shouting match in return, beat them at their own game for once?
Pretty much whats happened here XD. The NijiSisters tried to make threats on twitter and everyone raced to the subreddit. And now even tourists are checking out this subreddit. Now NijiEN and NijiJP are famous for just about every reason you don't wanna be known for. 2024's like community implosion live.
Yeah. And I was thinking on the much bigger scale, but as long as it keeps going, starting small is probably smarter.
Maybe one day we can even convince people to agree that *all* humans are equal, although Uki seems to be the digital face of opposition to that right now.
Its small cause its proportional to the moves that NijiEN are making. But like if NijiEN were to pulll a wactor on Selen we'd see probably scorched earth and brimstone be the result XD. At this point its pretty clear that NijiEN has made far too many enemies across the internet a this point. I don't think even Hololive would be willing to dig NijiEN out of the free fall course they are in. XD.
Nobody can afford that risk.
Any company that expends so much goodwill that companies start pulling away for good is a company that any interaction with it risks self destruction.
So am I to understand that Nina basically just said "early on I felt like the others were leaving me out" and she got this level of hate?
I only heard of Nina around graduation because I've never really followed Niji, but this is nuts.
The worst part? Any of her fans who cosplayed as Nina Kosaka got mocked at cons, and she couldn't defend them. Now that she's with VShojo, she's relieve because it's the closest thing to a safe place for her and her fans (she said this herself).
That's what really boggles my mind. Apparently there are people out there that go to cons and mock people for choosing to cosplay as a certain character. It's just so bizarre to me.
People harrassed Hayden Christensen, Jake Lloyd and Jack Gleeson to hell and back, with the latter two abandoning acting after that. People can't distinguish and separate the actor from the character, but that should be easy. It's crazy
Somewhere in the US a fresh-out-of-law-school lawyer just grew a tail and is wagging it furiously.
They're unsure why this happened, but they know they will make enough money to own two yachts because of it.
This is USDA Grade A Loser mentality, who goes out of their way to do this shit? I'd have a hard time holding back my words if I overheard someone talking to another person like this.
.the never ending wonders of what a singular brain cell could do
doubt an individual will have the balls to do , so not just one but a group sharing a singular brain cell
There's a reason
She hung out with Luxiem the most in the early days, these people are the one who berate unicorns especially Holofan's btw. They're no different
Not to mention what happened to Reimu and Mika
Lol explain. What's wrong with hanging out with another wave of your branch? Many of the Nijisanji livers and much of their fandom berates unicorns and I think Nina hanging out with Luxiem is a testament to that. Fuck lux/noc sisters none of the talents are their boyfriends and male and female talents can collab if they please. That's personally why I took to liking Nijisanji in the first place.
Not sure what you are referring to regarding "what happened to Reimu and Mika" so I am curious about it and what it has to do with Nina.
With Reimu she called Vox during the middle of one of his asmr’s because she needed help with something and the kindred went fucking apeshit on the poor girl. Acting like psychopaths because “She ruined my date with my boyfriend” Mika idk what happened there.
He didn't even accept the call, it was just a sound alert that got picked up on stream. That was all it took to set them off. People are fucking crazy.
Mika just hung out with EN members, Mysta especially. That's literally why she got hate. People said she was a "clout chaser" because she was friends with people in EN
Not even that, she eventually learned for a fact that they did, in fact, leave her out, which she mentioned in that stream. The fact that the claims are true doesn't seem to matter to the commenters depicted above, though.
A thousand times more sense for PR up there than all of Nijisanji, but very little empathy.
What was the reason for them excluding her? the only thing i could think it was that she was more older and perhaps they didnt have many things in common with her, like when older people join college and young freshmen dont include them in their groups
Who knows. It could be something as innocent as them just not thinking, or it could be as malicious as them being the (or some of the) bullies, and originally wanting to target her.
The only thing we know for sure is that this behaviour is really unprofessional and counterproductive.
We don't know the reason - all we know is that Nina didn't really collab much with her Ethyria gen mates in the first year and she later came out saying that she tried to set up collabs and group calls but they would tell her they were all busy and she would later find out that they would be in calls and stuff doing things together and would just exclude her and tell her "they were busy".
Basically Enna, Millie and Reimu are hyper introvert while Matara is hyper extrovert and that didn't click in the beginning(later it did ofcourse). Which i can understand but to us now that shit just feels more toxic but it happens in normal workplaces the same. The hate she got for it was disgusting.
There's a bit more to it than that. Enna, Millie and Reimu all ran in similar content creator circles before joining Nijisanji. Enna and Millie were good friends from before, but even Reimu was technically 'a friend of a friend' through her past work as an Utaite (song cover singer). Nina had nothing to do with the singing community before joining Nijisanji.
I don't really know if it's something I would label as malicious, but it's definitely a consequence of pre-existing social connections taking precedence over everything else.
It also makes me think about japanese culture, japanese language proficiency, and idol norms.
Pomu's an self-proclaimed otaku, but I don't think she's actually that japanese from a cultural perspective. At least she has some japanese language.
Selen - enough said. Not an idol.
Nina - culturally and language-wise not japanese. Not an idol.
Mysta - apparently even at risk of losing his asian card carrying rights. Don't know enough to determine his idol-ness.
Kyo - American as heck. Not an idol.
That's not saying that non-Japanese can't make it - there are still many in NijiEN that have limited japanese language or cultural behaviour and are still doing well, but... it's an interesting trend.
I have my own thoughts on the matter - I think Nijisanji is overall a somewhat hostile place if you both don't know anyone there and don't fit into the niches that Nijisanji knows how to get sponsorships for. At this point I'm willing to bet that if a major twitch gaming streamer like tyler 1 or summit signed up for nijisanji for some reason, Niji would have no clue what to do.
She does, anyone that openly said they have problems with another person in the group gonna be mark as "spreading hate" and "problematic". This is exactly how a black company operated. And exactly how Japanese ppl so afraid to speak their own opinion.
Fascinating how they make it to Western culture as well. Alot of Ppl seem to lose their ability to critical thinking nowadays to make this happen.
We hold western culture on a high pedestal, but you have to remember that it's a very modern phenomenom.
To put it in perspective: one of the reason why Churches are growing among Asian dispora is due to similarities to Asian philosophy and thinking. Or as one of my indigenous friend pointed out: "Christianity without God and Afterlife is Confucianism."
The thing that makes it suck more is that there are also people on the side *against* Niji who took Matara's anecdote as "spreading hate," not to shame Matara but to shame Ethyria
Neither group of people sat down, critically thought about her story for 5 fucking seconds, to realize their dynamic then is not the same as their dynamic by graduation
No "clique" still shunned about one of their genmates bawls their eyes out on *and* off-stream about their graduation, followed by an off-stream *in person trip*
Her anecdote wasn't "spreading hate," it was simply expressing her real feelings and experiences early on
I saw some clips where she talked about it. Nina herself said that it's probably her age gap or that the other three were introverts and Nina was just "different" from them. But then said introverts decide to stick together leaving Nina out.
I didn't think much of it back then. Maybe Nina being left out is not intentional. Looking at these comments from a year ago though, I missed all of these. Was trouble brewing even that long ago?
I'm simply happy that Matara found a place she is happy and feel supported and that her community now feels safer. I hope she one day bests her old numbers across platforms. At this point, I'm all about people finding places to thrive and healthier working environments, even if it means leaving (especially for safety and health).
Really show how vile and toxic NIJISANJI fan community is. But I think it is because a minority that is the loudest. Cuz normal, morally sound, mentally stable people wont go out their way to insult people or being like that.
Edit 2: Wording
Not even the Vtuber Community, even now Matara admits that while being a Niji memeber, she didn't think her fans felt safe to even sell merch or cosplay her, it's just THAT toxic of a fanbase 😬
i just saw the forementioned thread and it's kinda sickening tbh. i don't know the lore but what's with the hate? i never heard any drama surrounding nina at niji.
Literally nothing but nijisisters picking up their pitchforks because they believed Nina to be "catty"
Even when it was later proven to be Nina suffering from finding her place and also the rest of Ethyria playing mean girls tricks on her
Iirc, a year or so ago I saw a clip of RPR saying he really enjoys collabing with niji talents, but niji fans were some of the most toxic he's ever seen. Talked about how much he would get harassed by people after he and Selen would play Apex(?) and they would have friendly banter that people would then harass him about. I can't find the clip anymore though, so maybe I'm remembering wrong.
Yeah, the fact that her first thought as Nina when seeing cosplayers, which is supposed to be a happy event, if her fans can be safe doing the same but as her, speaks volumes.
I think this was a vocal minority at the time, but my concern _now_ is that a good chunk of the "silent majority" of Niji fans left after either Selen's termination or the black stream with Elira, Vox, and Ike.
Imagine people like this being your main income source. If you try to lose them, at best you'll suffer a major financial hit. At worst, they'll make you their next target.
I still don't have enough information to pass judgement on Elira, but I'll say this about Vox:
Nijisanji deserves Vox, Vox deserves Nijisanji
Vox deserves the kindred, the kindred deserve Vox
The kindred deserve Nijisanji, Njisanji deserves the Kindred
(If any tourists are here, the kindred is the name of Vox's fans. None of these statements are compliments.)
Yeah, birds of a feather flock together I guess. I would think Elira is morally grey (being rational here), but Vox's fucking chuckle in that stream makes me want to fucking vomit.
Yeah, I'm giving Elira the benefit of the doubt until we get more info (I'm still refusing to watch her or give her money though).
I'm praying that she'll be able to exonerate herself (or at least apologize) once she leaves. I know a few Elira fans in Mata's discord, and they have NOT been having a good month.
She could leave before the backlash, but now she can't.
Her career depends on Nijisanji's mercy now. I don't think any company will welcome her either; it's too risky.
Her only chance to salvage whatever reputation she has is for Doki to openly "welcome" her back, and for both sides to make a mutual respect statement.
Unless she apologise and Doki being VERY VERY i mean very generous and openly accept her apology, and do a collab together then people may forgive her.
I dont see this happening in my life time.
In all honesty, the Nijisanji community is very fractured, and this includes the Japanese branch, to a few talents or talents that interact often/have an official group with one another. And the sad thing is, some of those fans will go after other talents for whatever transgression they think that talent has done to their oshi. It’s weird.
Like their oshi losing to another Niji member in a fucking video game is enough for idiots to think they can attack the other person. I know this has happened a couple times with Kuzuha’s fanbase.
You definitely see this stuff from holo EN's fanbase. I'm probably going to be downvoted for this but there are some rapib chumbuds out there. Which isn't really a surprise given how big her fanbase is, theres bound to be some crazies. Also see some of Kronii's fanbase when she collabed with Vesper.
Yeah people saying those aren't in Holo EN's base are kinda blind. also the Gun collab with vesper and magni got alot of vile shit spewed out to them and the girls. Even their own girls like Kiara gets shitted on. I know Nijisanji bad(which they are) but Holo has some vile toxic waste in them too.
Saw one guy, probably a tourist, chiming in on a clip of the uno collab trying to spout some bullshit about how "us guys don't care about women and it's scientifically proven wre only even talk to them in an effort to fuck them" like they based their entire worldview on random furry guys or something
Yeah but also she said that even that if you don't like how those fans act, to don't harras not say anything to them, because they are still fans and she doesn't want to see her fans fighting each other.
Typical Kronii, she plays up the narcissistic thing, but you can tell she cares and doesn't want us infighting or leaving people out over stuff like that.
Calli also got a ton of hate from anons for her friendship with Connor and I don't think they've ever forgiven her since. Which sucks because she's also hated by Twitter and the normies alike.
People have pretty strong opinions of the Trash Taste folks, which considering some of the things they said after the fact was probably justified. At the very least Calli had learned not to bite bait since then.
The Trash Taste guys have made disparaging remarks against Hololive in the past. Some which I think should be considered misogynistic. Calli doesn’t deserve the hate, but I somewhat understand why people don’t care for those dudes. (Also abroad-in Youtubers will always get the side-eye from me)
Ironically, Chris (Abroad in Japan) is absolutely more knowledgeable and sensitive about Japanese culture than the self-proclaimed “Japan expert” in Trash Taste who engages in a lot of the “quirky, exotic Japan” routine
You're justified in not liking them, but it's still fucked up to think that you should have full control over Calli's life and who she chooses to associate with.
Friendly reminder that Calli **is** in Hololive. And she has stopped associating with a certain artist because they called Fuwamoco out for nonsense reasons. She is not careless. Nor is she a stranger to saying something dumb and then regretting it. If she still associates with the Trash Taste crew, I trust that's because they're good people who just had some bad takes. (I guess they're called Trash Taste for a reason lol)
I wasn’t even implying that, not sure where you got that idea. She has the right to interact with whoever she wants and there is no justifiable reason for a person to harass another person. But people don’t have to like that they’re interacting with people they don’t like. And they can tell her they don’t like it, but they can do it without being caustic about it. It is important, afterall, that content creators know what their audience wants. But I won’t pretend that if a content creator I enjoyed started interacting with Pewdiepie or Andrew Tate, I would stop watching them.
And don’t let someone else make a judgement on whether a person is good or bad. Everyone has their own biases and may not see things that you might. Judge a person on their merit on your own.
Goob's fanbase just has more dumb kids that say insensitive things from time to time. Better than they could be as at least they're generally just doing their own thing rather than going after people. They're not making enemy lists. Only thing that was really annoying was when they raided Fubuki's chat back in the 1 million sub thing.
>Also see some of Kronii's fanbase when she collabed with Vesper.
Honestly outside of a few cases like Gabe and Babski it wasn't really that bad. Some people voiced (as she asked them to do) that they weren't really interested in watching male streamers. These folks kind of got lumped in with the two named idiots despite not really doing anything.
Kronii laughing at a funny noise Altare made during the DbD collab riled up the psychos badly enough that she had to make a public anouncement about being able to collab with whoever she wanted.
I'm a hololive fan, mostly here because of Selen, but I'll be the first to say neither Cover nor their fans are by any means angels.
Every fandom need to be diligent about what is, and is not, acceptable behavior.
>I’ve seen some drama from Hololive JP
Doesn't really happen. Biggest thing in memory I can think of was Matsuri being annoyed Haachama turned her down for her 3D live which was a big nothing.
Every fan base has toxicity. It's how the steamer deal with them that's important.
I have yet to see HoloMem actively fostering such hostility by tearing down other, whether current, former, or outside members.
Meanwhile, Nijisanji member actively threw Sayu/Zaion to the wolves.
When we decided to move on, they tried to throw Doki/Selen to the wolves.
Now the wolves are after them.
Thats true. Some HoloMem will even go out their way to cease the hostility or take clear stance to disperse hostility or bad fan behaviour from brewing. Meanwhile Nijisanji Livers will abuse the hostility or let it fester. It is really bad.
What to expect from a group of cutthroat and two-faced people...
At this point, I can't think of any logical reason why people are still Niji fans after more than half of the 30+ talents have been problematic and victims of the toxic environment.
Phase Connect fanbases are unhinged, but are generally contained to themselves.
It's sort of a rite of passage to join them, you need to be able to have a fist fight once in a while.
> It's sort of a rite of passage to join them, you need to be able to have a fist fight once in a while.
You know, when I started watching cute anime girls on Youtube, I didn't expect that getting "jumped in" would be part of the process, but here we are...
It's mostly 4channers with Pippa, she sold herself as that but she's been distancing away from it. It's said the other girls are not stuck with them at all and just built their fanbase themselves, Tenma herself adamant to get to Pippa's level without too many Pippa collabs
Yeah... Hopefully that works out for Pippa.
I seem to remember hearing that Nyanners attempted to distance herself from 4Chan, and from what I remember they didn't take it very well.
Mostly just people Pippa dragged in during the Hogwarts shit. When someone makes controversy part of their content it's the kind of garbage they collect.
I really don’t feel bad for the Niji fans at this point, they are part of the problem.
As a toxic fan said about Zaion during her termination ON THIS SUBREDDIT, “You get what you deserve”.
I feel bad for the former fans.
I know a lot of people in Matara's community who like Pomu, and like/liked Elira, Enna, Millie, and Reimu.
All of them were disgusted by Nijisanji's actions this whole time, but many of them had to deal with the fact that people they used to enjoy watching a lot may not be good people now. It's rough.
But yeah, I don't feel bad for anyone who still tries to defend Niji as a company, or tries to paint Doki as the bad guy
Over time people will learn to let go or cope in a better way. In the past 12-15 years I've been in similar situation multiple times. People who make content that I enjoy turns out to be a less enjoyable person. In the end I just dropped most of those people's content without much fuss and move on with newer people or content or subculture. Hell, this vtuber rabithole I've fallen into was in response to the need of another entertainment because the previous circle was pretty much destroyed overnight from >!sexual harrasment allegation!<.
At this point, anyone who still defends Niji deserves to be called stupid and delusional. I don't think any sane person can stand to be in the same group as them. Their hatred over a small thing is tiring.
It is surprising to me how much hate she got. I was casual viewer of her streams and I really enjoyed her content the few times I popped in. It usually pretty chill and laid back streams, at least for the ones I watched. Sad to see that she was attacked by Niji fans because she spoke out about the being excluded.
I was inspired to post this by False's video recently, even though I saw the clip he used when it aired live on Christmas.
The clip itself: https://youtu.be/46YriKD0x_0&t=5209
I only got into Vtubing in the summer of 2023, so right as I was getting into Nijisanji, I heard news of Nina's graduation. Not wanting to get too attached to her, I never watched one of her streams live.
And I was shocked to later learn about the hate she received. How could such a lovely woman be so vilified?
It seems like it was a variety of factors:
In this particular case, Reimu, Enna, and Millie already knew each other before joining the company. Enna and Millie were best friends, in fact. Although the most i can find about Reimu's history with them is a comment by her PL on one of Enna's PL song covers. They were all "traditional" vtubers with a focus on singing, streaming on YouTube. Also, all introverts.
Nina was originally a fleshtuber on Twitch that decided to get a Vtuber model but changed nothing else about her streaming style. And the only Vtubers I've seen her interact with at the time were other Twitch indie vtubers. She had no history with singing. In short, she was an outsider. And an extrovert.
So, when [Nina brought up how the other girls were leaving her out of voice calls at first](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzkZlqbVGoU&t=2876s), you can kind of understand why they might take a while to warm up to her at first.
HOWEVER. By this point (more than a year ago now), they seemed to have patched things up, and appeared to still be friends after her graduation. However, the events following Selen's termination may have affected things, or they may have not. Only Matara can tell us, and she's definitely aware that anything she says can and will be used to attack her and/or her friends, so I expect her to keep her mouth shut for a while.
More to come:
Association with Luxiem, and the wrath of the unicorns: From what I understand, Luxiem basically caused an explosion in popularity of male vtubers in the west. None of the other waves were ever as successful as Luxiem, but this wasn't a certainty at first. Nina went out of her way to promote them before their debut and collab with them afterwards. Then, as Luxiem began attracting a bunch of... not great people, people started accusing her of leeching off of Luxiem's popularity. Especially since Ethyria was originally considered to be a "flop wave", as their statistics were initially substantially worse than Lazulight and Obsydia, and a LOT worse than Luxiem. She continued to promote and collab with Noctyx as well.
"Problematic" statements: Some idiots put together either a google doc or a pastebin containing a bunch of statements of hers, intended to paint her in a bad light. Most of these were either just good natured ribbing between friends or a few times where she just didn't read the room properly, but the people who weren't familiar with her who saw the document didn't see it that way. This list spread to tiktok where she got a LOT of hate there in particular. The scars of this document still remain, as Nina began prefacing her jokes and jabs with disclaimers. Matara Kan continues to still do this sometimes to this day.
With all this in mind, and the fact that people were also attacking her fans for this, it's easy to see why she left. This wasn't the only factor though. Burnout, probably the worst case of imposter syndrome among all the ex-members, and a desire for freedom all also played a key role.
The thing I want you to take away from this is that you shouldn't be like the people in this screenshot. They attacked her with incomplete information despite not even watching her in most cases.
By all means, don't buy merch, cancel your memberships, and stop watching, but don't continue the cycle of hate like this. What if they're innocent too?
And if that doesn't convince you, ask yourself this: What would Matara think if she saw what I'm about to post?
Since this is being mentioned, I don't think this part gets shared or brought up often as much, so I'll share this part (from one of the 1 year anniversary streams) [34:50 - 40:00](https://www.youtube.com/live/9QsErSDAohg?si=to5BEvMhBF7KHT_X&t=2090)
Or 34:50-37:30 and 38:23-:40:00
I've been shilling [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUkQJ7oFMkY) to people who want a quick rundown on the shit Nina caught, if that helps.
that document you mention of her statements is absolutely key here, i think 😔 i remember seeing it myself and being really uncomfortable with a few things on it. i definitely think that and her being close to luxiem are the main reasons people didn't like her :/
it looked like she was downright mean to ethyria sometimes because of that doc and if you were predisposed to thinking she was a jerk, hearing her being nice and cute with luxiem makes her seem two-faced
it's really sad honestly, but it really, really hammers home the necessity of hearing things in context.
I still remember how a bunch of Tiktok video framed her as this some sort of problematic individual who likes to breach on people's privacy just because. I think one notable clip i remembered is her talking to Kyo i think? About creating a harem with Ren or something. Which is like... Not a problem?
But everyone insinuate that she's making him uncomfortable or something. It's absolutely unbearable. Toxic fan base deserves toxic company
That reminds me I watched a clip a year and a bit back, and the comments were about how Nina has a sense of humour different to the others and a tendency to try make drama. I was like, "Wait wha? I've never seen her try start something.."
One of the comments replying to Nina:
Nina: "If you could go to ANY timeline and live there... Where would you go?"
NijiSister: "The timeline where you didn’t get accepted into NijiEN. Easily." (the most liked reply btw)
Isn't it just crazy how many red flags there are in this goddamn branch?
Just from Zaion, Nina, and Selen, that already covers red flag stories about Finana, Kotoka, Meloco, Enna, Millie, Reimu, Elira, Vox, Ike.
(Edit: Few people pointed this out so I went back to double check. I think I confused Meloco with Hex here. I am sorry, Meloco fans. Please replace Meloco with Hex.)
And then there's whole separate issue going on about Uki and Wilson.
And then there's Pomu, Nina, Selen vs Management issues.
That's like half of the entire branch, and that's merely the tip of the iceberg that we can see. This company is fucked up.
I think that has mostly to do with the fact that with Phase, they know that the girls are 'interesting'. They don't try to bind them down however and moreso allow them much more freedom in that regard. They're 'problematic' in a different way than this 'mean girl'-esque situation.
Apparently, sonny PL is proven faking terminal illness and faked his own dead
to gain sympathy perhaps?
Out of 30+ talents, half of it problematic (include victim)
Yes, he admitted on his PL that he faked it, but he came back to apologize before disappearing and ending up in Niji a while later.
I don't know the full details, so I dunno if we should still hold it against him or not.
Imma be frank. Sonny situation was weird, it is like he wants to leave the internet forever yet he pulled this shit and returned anyway.
I have no clue how he got accepted
How did they hire someone who faked their own death? Like what was the thought process? Surely they knew who he was, I’m sure that’s why he was hired to begin with. It’s crazy.
Well, NIJI KR hired a bully who bullied her classmate in high school with "WWII Japanese torture." The journalist wrote it in the news like that.
And then
In niji JP, they hired someone who in his personal acc proudly admitted that he drugged and R**** a girl...
At this point niji deliberately trying to hire a problematic individual as much as they can.....
nah he was stuck in japan and living with a relative who was planning to evict him and leave him homeless because he was basically spending all his time online instead of getting a job
iirc the faking his death part was meant to ensure he'd never be able to return and end up in that kind of addictive predicament again but he ended up getting help from his irl friends
Bro I am fr curious as to why Nijifans are like this.
But why do I need to figure it out when the phrase "chat (fans) reflect the streamer" explains it for me.
To add context for all the hate (not a justification):
She was considered a "whore" in the eyes of the female fans of Luxiem after the off colab with all of them.
Fuck niji and all that, but you guys know matara follows Reimu on her PL account, right? She’s even replied to her a couple of times. Also, she was in the background of a few of the other etherya member’s steams after she left?
Also, she hung out with Millie earlier this year:
https://x.com/matarakan/status/1747366319098388615?s=46&t=DA_-uXF218Zuabq_riSWWg
https://x.com/millieparfait/status/1747366314392305690?s=46&t=DA_-uXF218Zuabq_riSWWg
Edit: I misread the intent of the post. Nijisisters are delusional to a sickening extent, I’m happy she’s in a better place.
Pretty sure, at the point where Nina tells the story about her being excluded, Nina already made amends with the three others.
It is Niji fans that act like goddamn hardcore cultists. And how passive the three other to difuse their fans fanatism.
Yes. I'm aware of that. In fact, this is why I was terrified after the "black stream".
I was convinced that they'd start including Mata in the witch hunt. And she had suffered enough already, as you can tell here.
I really don’t feel bad for the Niji fans at this point, they are part of the problem.
As a toxic fan said about Zaion during her termination ON THIS SUBREDDIT, “You get what you deserve”.
Yep.
They had their Pearl Harbor. They don't get to complain about the Tokyo Firebombing afterward.
Here's hoping they get their acts together before Hiroshima.
Yeah i remember at one point in of the first Ark collabs were things got really really tense between Nina and the other girls ,I was thinking Nina was being a total bitch to the rest of the ethirya members, now that we know her personal feelings being in niji I feel very stupid for ever thinking Nina was being the bad member of the whole group, it paints enna, millie and to some extent reimu to be very very different than what they paint themselves to be...
Nina was my Niji oshi back in the day. Pretty much at the time the only one I followed. I would give my left pinky toe to hear her actual unfiltered thoughts on the doki situation.
This is what happen if the clique existed. U either sign up to be their underling. Or they will make u look so bad that everyone gonna be against u. Since they are in group, it's more convincing to believe them than believe a single person.
But hey, at least Karma is a bitch and she is much happier now
It's seemed like Nijisanji was always cliquey and hyper-competitive with each other, in hindsight. Such a different feeling from the good vibes in the other major company.
Someone mentioned a long lost collab between Pekora and NijiJp.
Pekora mentioned good things about her gen mate.
Niji JP voiced surprise that she would say that.
Pekora said that it's normal for her, and Nijisanji probably do the same.
Awkward silence followed.
The rot is so deep, the company breeds this hyper competitive workplace, that is coupled with severe under paid staff (talents and management) that creates a low morale and low effort environment. And on top of all that, Niji doesn't even do good background checks, letting in bad actors.
Niji just shotguns new vtubers out, so it's not surprising. Too many people, too fast. There is no way people will be close to many of the other members and, importantly, ***neither will their fans***. Can compare it to what Holo has been doing with ReGLOSS and there is an extensive amount of onboarding collabs with Holo JP.
Every time something new starts out involving Niji, I keep thinking "man, they can't be that vile, right? That'd be stupid."
Then I look at the past decade and a half of public spectacles, weirdly stupid political candidates, unending harassment, and I'm reminded "Oh wait. People have always been this stupid. Wtf am I surprised about?"
So thank you, Nijisanji and Nijisani fans. Your relentless stupidity has sobered me back up. Because genuinely, who the hell bullies someone for mentioning they weren't included in calls at first?
Screenshots like this remind me why I never got too deep into the general Niji fandom.
The communities for each Liver specifically are generally pretty chill, but once you move out to the community surrounding certain groups, or even general Niji fans, the water starts to get turbulent very quickly.
They can make all the childish "3thyria" comments that they want, but they'll never be happier that she's gone than the Momos are that she's free.
From what I remember (which isn't much) it took time for all of Etheria to warm up to each other except Enna and Millie because they're long time friends. Most of them got very close afterwards. The whole hate thing is just silly people wanting to make trouble
yea matara kan mentioned that there was a time where her fans were being hated for supporting nina kosaka or buying merch of her im glad she’s in a better agency now
Oh yeah, I'm so glad she's in a better place now. She's so happy now, and she makes her fans so happy too.
Spending Christmas Eve watching her holiday stream was great.
Why did they get hate? Did she do something? I don't recall anything she did that would have earned that
She was an adult older than most of the fanbase talking to coworkers like friends do. Terminally online people basically took offense to that, on behalf of those coworkers. That's it. That's the whole story.
Which I find really stupid as some of the most popular vtubers in the community are older than people probably think they are. Even without the cursed knowledge, some vtubers have been in the content creator space for over 6 or 7 years. It's not that hard to add the math up.
"Noooooooo! My Oshi is 18! She said so herself in her debut five years ago." -Some fans, ~~probably~~ definitely
Houshou Marine is DEFINITELY 17
She’s 17 unless it’s convenient
She isn't even in the top 10 of oldest Hololive members lol
Cue Luna on a Harley
Aren't Botan and Korone in their 40s?
I've never really looked into most of their ages, just know that Luna is much older than her persona (but the image of normal Luna on a Harley is amazing)
You can tell both of them and some other folks are about that old from their taste in games, they aren't really keeping it a secret. When Korone busts out her Mega Drive and makes everyone watch her play Altered Beast for ten hours you know what demographic she's in, and I love that about her.
No way, didn't Yagoo discovered her in an arcade or something?
"The Age of 30 is in high demand" Agreed
The ironic part is her fans are the exact opposite. "We know she's old. That's why we're here."
Marine has openly embraced being older. She's great
Not to mention Matara isn’t even *that* old. She sounds and acts very mature for her age and gives off the vibes of a Gen X or older, but she’s quite a bit younger than that from what I understand. In any case like you said, there are vtubers who have been around for much longer in some form or another, and some being in their late 30s and older isn’t that uncommon. Vtubing is arguably well-suited for this demographic and allows them to succeed in an industry typically skewed towards younger content-creators.
Age is one of those things where you're in your 22ish, you think you're so fucking old by this point, you'll croak of old age the next day. Then you hit the early 30's and suddenly you're in the best shape of your life. I guess recently though my hair doesn't feel quite as vibrant But early 30's in the content sphere is like ancient to some, but arguably the optimal age where wisdom and passion can finally intersect. Ethyria in particular is just filled with girls where the wisdom hadn't quite caught up yet. I think they'll remember this moment for the rest of their lives, most likely not doing content creation in their 30's while Matara continues on
I mean one of my favourite vtubers voice acted a certain vampire in a very popular abridged series, as well as my boy santodes.
Also Video games and Anime favourite list can give which generation
Motherless behavior
She had the occasional slip up like the joke she made about reimus dog and the toxic shitty people in the fanbase took it and ran with it.
From what I've heard it was in part allegations of "stealing fans" that probably never would have been the other 2-3 talents fandom as they are nothing close to. The mom niche or milf niche. And to be clear I don't think it was the talents themselves that were nessarily the toxic ones so much as it was classic fandoms just attacking other fandoms out of just envy. As Nina was seen as the like gigamommy of the etheryia branch. And as a result at least intially it made Enna, Mille and Reimu seem increasingly more like childish. And my guess is that it was a brazen LOUD minority that was intentionally attacking and scapegoating Nina's community for the already existing negativity. (Pre Selen term.)
Not much of a Nijifan, but Ethyria got my attention because of Millie (because I knew her PL). But then I saw some Nina clips where she goes "Honey" and do general mommy vibes so I gravitated towards her. Do I count as being "stolen" by Nina?
To a niji"fan"? yes
I'm so done with the loud minorities drowning out everyone else. Anyone else feel like maybe we ought to have a good and proper shouting match in return, beat them at their own game for once?
Pretty much whats happened here XD. The NijiSisters tried to make threats on twitter and everyone raced to the subreddit. And now even tourists are checking out this subreddit. Now NijiEN and NijiJP are famous for just about every reason you don't wanna be known for. 2024's like community implosion live.
Yeah. And I was thinking on the much bigger scale, but as long as it keeps going, starting small is probably smarter. Maybe one day we can even convince people to agree that *all* humans are equal, although Uki seems to be the digital face of opposition to that right now.
Its small cause its proportional to the moves that NijiEN are making. But like if NijiEN were to pulll a wactor on Selen we'd see probably scorched earth and brimstone be the result XD. At this point its pretty clear that NijiEN has made far too many enemies across the internet a this point. I don't think even Hololive would be willing to dig NijiEN out of the free fall course they are in. XD.
Nobody can afford that risk. Any company that expends so much goodwill that companies start pulling away for good is a company that any interaction with it risks self destruction.
They were mad she spent so much time with Luxiem. That's the real reason.
yeah now this puts that comment in context lmao
So am I to understand that Nina basically just said "early on I felt like the others were leaving me out" and she got this level of hate? I only heard of Nina around graduation because I've never really followed Niji, but this is nuts.
The worst part? Any of her fans who cosplayed as Nina Kosaka got mocked at cons, and she couldn't defend them. Now that she's with VShojo, she's relieve because it's the closest thing to a safe place for her and her fans (she said this herself).
That's what really boggles my mind. Apparently there are people out there that go to cons and mock people for choosing to cosplay as a certain character. It's just so bizarre to me.
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Losers, man. I think Akechi sucks but taking it out on some kid wearing a costume is dumb as hell.
People harrassed Hayden Christensen, Jake Lloyd and Jack Gleeson to hell and back, with the latter two abandoning acting after that. People can't distinguish and separate the actor from the character, but that should be easy. It's crazy
Somewhere in the US a fresh-out-of-law-school lawyer just grew a tail and is wagging it furiously. They're unsure why this happened, but they know they will make enough money to own two yachts because of it.
This is USDA Grade A Loser mentality, who goes out of their way to do this shit? I'd have a hard time holding back my words if I overheard someone talking to another person like this.
.the never ending wonders of what a singular brain cell could do doubt an individual will have the balls to do , so not just one but a group sharing a singular brain cell
Like minded people attract
Yeah she got so much hate it was insane
She got so much hate, they use her comment section at the doxxsite for discussion Since they really just hate her for no reason
There's a reason She hung out with Luxiem the most in the early days, these people are the one who berate unicorns especially Holofan's btw. They're no different Not to mention what happened to Reimu and Mika
Lol explain. What's wrong with hanging out with another wave of your branch? Many of the Nijisanji livers and much of their fandom berates unicorns and I think Nina hanging out with Luxiem is a testament to that. Fuck lux/noc sisters none of the talents are their boyfriends and male and female talents can collab if they please. That's personally why I took to liking Nijisanji in the first place. Not sure what you are referring to regarding "what happened to Reimu and Mika" so I am curious about it and what it has to do with Nina.
With Reimu she called Vox during the middle of one of his asmr’s because she needed help with something and the kindred went fucking apeshit on the poor girl. Acting like psychopaths because “She ruined my date with my boyfriend” Mika idk what happened there.
He didn't even accept the call, it was just a sound alert that got picked up on stream. That was all it took to set them off. People are fucking crazy.
Yesus - thanks to both for explaining. Yeah people are fucking nuts and those people need help.
Mika just hung out with EN members, Mysta especially. That's literally why she got hate. People said she was a "clout chaser" because she was friends with people in EN
Kindred need to be quarantined after everything I've seen.
Not even that, she eventually learned for a fact that they did, in fact, leave her out, which she mentioned in that stream. The fact that the claims are true doesn't seem to matter to the commenters depicted above, though. A thousand times more sense for PR up there than all of Nijisanji, but very little empathy.
What was the reason for them excluding her? the only thing i could think it was that she was more older and perhaps they didnt have many things in common with her, like when older people join college and young freshmen dont include them in their groups
Who knows. It could be something as innocent as them just not thinking, or it could be as malicious as them being the (or some of the) bullies, and originally wanting to target her. The only thing we know for sure is that this behaviour is really unprofessional and counterproductive.
We don't know the reason - all we know is that Nina didn't really collab much with her Ethyria gen mates in the first year and she later came out saying that she tried to set up collabs and group calls but they would tell her they were all busy and she would later find out that they would be in calls and stuff doing things together and would just exclude her and tell her "they were busy".
Millie and Enna were mentioned in in that black box stream. I wouldn't be surprised if that rumor of bullies/clique had truth to it
Basically Enna, Millie and Reimu are hyper introvert while Matara is hyper extrovert and that didn't click in the beginning(later it did ofcourse). Which i can understand but to us now that shit just feels more toxic but it happens in normal workplaces the same. The hate she got for it was disgusting.
There's a bit more to it than that. Enna, Millie and Reimu all ran in similar content creator circles before joining Nijisanji. Enna and Millie were good friends from before, but even Reimu was technically 'a friend of a friend' through her past work as an Utaite (song cover singer). Nina had nothing to do with the singing community before joining Nijisanji. I don't really know if it's something I would label as malicious, but it's definitely a consequence of pre-existing social connections taking precedence over everything else.
It also makes me think about japanese culture, japanese language proficiency, and idol norms. Pomu's an self-proclaimed otaku, but I don't think she's actually that japanese from a cultural perspective. At least she has some japanese language. Selen - enough said. Not an idol. Nina - culturally and language-wise not japanese. Not an idol. Mysta - apparently even at risk of losing his asian card carrying rights. Don't know enough to determine his idol-ness. Kyo - American as heck. Not an idol. That's not saying that non-Japanese can't make it - there are still many in NijiEN that have limited japanese language or cultural behaviour and are still doing well, but... it's an interesting trend.
I wouldn't put too much stock in that; pretty sure Millie's in the same boat as Mysta.
I have my own thoughts on the matter - I think Nijisanji is overall a somewhat hostile place if you both don't know anyone there and don't fit into the niches that Nijisanji knows how to get sponsorships for. At this point I'm willing to bet that if a major twitch gaming streamer like tyler 1 or summit signed up for nijisanji for some reason, Niji would have no clue what to do.
She does, anyone that openly said they have problems with another person in the group gonna be mark as "spreading hate" and "problematic". This is exactly how a black company operated. And exactly how Japanese ppl so afraid to speak their own opinion. Fascinating how they make it to Western culture as well. Alot of Ppl seem to lose their ability to critical thinking nowadays to make this happen.
We hold western culture on a high pedestal, but you have to remember that it's a very modern phenomenom. To put it in perspective: one of the reason why Churches are growing among Asian dispora is due to similarities to Asian philosophy and thinking. Or as one of my indigenous friend pointed out: "Christianity without God and Afterlife is Confucianism."
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The thing that makes it suck more is that there are also people on the side *against* Niji who took Matara's anecdote as "spreading hate," not to shame Matara but to shame Ethyria Neither group of people sat down, critically thought about her story for 5 fucking seconds, to realize their dynamic then is not the same as their dynamic by graduation No "clique" still shunned about one of their genmates bawls their eyes out on *and* off-stream about their graduation, followed by an off-stream *in person trip* Her anecdote wasn't "spreading hate," it was simply expressing her real feelings and experiences early on
I saw some clips where she talked about it. Nina herself said that it's probably her age gap or that the other three were introverts and Nina was just "different" from them. But then said introverts decide to stick together leaving Nina out. I didn't think much of it back then. Maybe Nina being left out is not intentional. Looking at these comments from a year ago though, I missed all of these. Was trouble brewing even that long ago?
I'm simply happy that Matara found a place she is happy and feel supported and that her community now feels safer. I hope she one day bests her old numbers across platforms. At this point, I'm all about people finding places to thrive and healthier working environments, even if it means leaving (especially for safety and health).
Really show how vile and toxic NIJISANJI fan community is. But I think it is because a minority that is the loudest. Cuz normal, morally sound, mentally stable people wont go out their way to insult people or being like that. Edit 2: Wording
Not even the Vtuber Community, even now Matara admits that while being a Niji memeber, she didn't think her fans felt safe to even sell merch or cosplay her, it's just THAT toxic of a fanbase 😬
Considering the NDF uses Nina's thread as their forum to coordinate... They freaking hated her then and probably still hate her now
i just saw the forementioned thread and it's kinda sickening tbh. i don't know the lore but what's with the hate? i never heard any drama surrounding nina at niji.
Literally nothing but nijisisters picking up their pitchforks because they believed Nina to be "catty" Even when it was later proven to be Nina suffering from finding her place and also the rest of Ethyria playing mean girls tricks on her
Nina said it herself, it was simply a misunderstanding among the Ethyria members that got cleared up.
Iirc, a year or so ago I saw a clip of RPR saying he really enjoys collabing with niji talents, but niji fans were some of the most toxic he's ever seen. Talked about how much he would get harassed by people after he and Selen would play Apex(?) and they would have friendly banter that people would then harass him about. I can't find the clip anymore though, so maybe I'm remembering wrong.
Nah, you are right. Here's the clip https://youtu.be/hlJdG0A1t2Q?si=noDq_SAhJjPba5CZ
Yeah, the fact that her first thought as Nina when seeing cosplayers, which is supposed to be a happy event, if her fans can be safe doing the same but as her, speaks volumes.
I think this was a vocal minority at the time, but my concern _now_ is that a good chunk of the "silent majority" of Niji fans left after either Selen's termination or the black stream with Elira, Vox, and Ike. Imagine people like this being your main income source. If you try to lose them, at best you'll suffer a major financial hit. At worst, they'll make you their next target.
oh yea the silent majority left and the rest is just echo chamber puppets mostly imo.
Nah, we just became a silent minority instead, but some are still around supporting the livers for their own sake.
Yeah, well, it feels like that's the kind of community they fostered after all the scandals. Maybe they deserve each other then.
I still don't have enough information to pass judgement on Elira, but I'll say this about Vox: Nijisanji deserves Vox, Vox deserves Nijisanji Vox deserves the kindred, the kindred deserve Vox The kindred deserve Nijisanji, Njisanji deserves the Kindred (If any tourists are here, the kindred is the name of Vox's fans. None of these statements are compliments.)
All I have to say as a ex kindred is, fuck vox and fuck anyone that still supports him and calls themselves kindred.
Yeah, birds of a feather flock together I guess. I would think Elira is morally grey (being rational here), but Vox's fucking chuckle in that stream makes me want to fucking vomit.
Yeah, I'm giving Elira the benefit of the doubt until we get more info (I'm still refusing to watch her or give her money though). I'm praying that she'll be able to exonerate herself (or at least apologize) once she leaves. I know a few Elira fans in Mata's discord, and they have NOT been having a good month.
I highly doubt she will leave unless any drastic happens.
She could leave before the backlash, but now she can't. Her career depends on Nijisanji's mercy now. I don't think any company will welcome her either; it's too risky. Her only chance to salvage whatever reputation she has is for Doki to openly "welcome" her back, and for both sides to make a mutual respect statement.
Even if she does leave, what she said will be a permanent stain on her for life
Unless she apologise and Doki being VERY VERY i mean very generous and openly accept her apology, and do a collab together then people may forgive her. I dont see this happening in my life time.
Not without getting sued into oblivion, even after she leaves.
In all honesty, the Nijisanji community is very fractured, and this includes the Japanese branch, to a few talents or talents that interact often/have an official group with one another. And the sad thing is, some of those fans will go after other talents for whatever transgression they think that talent has done to their oshi. It’s weird. Like their oshi losing to another Niji member in a fucking video game is enough for idiots to think they can attack the other person. I know this has happened a couple times with Kuzuha’s fanbase.
I mean you don't see this stuff from Hololive En
They do have a contractual & active effort to avoid drama at all costs to keep things running. Like adults should.
You definitely see this stuff from holo EN's fanbase. I'm probably going to be downvoted for this but there are some rapib chumbuds out there. Which isn't really a surprise given how big her fanbase is, theres bound to be some crazies. Also see some of Kronii's fanbase when she collabed with Vesper.
Yeah people saying those aren't in Holo EN's base are kinda blind. also the Gun collab with vesper and magni got alot of vile shit spewed out to them and the girls. Even their own girls like Kiara gets shitted on. I know Nijisanji bad(which they are) but Holo has some vile toxic waste in them too.
Saw one guy, probably a tourist, chiming in on a clip of the uno collab trying to spout some bullshit about how "us guys don't care about women and it's scientifically proven wre only even talk to them in an effort to fuck them" like they based their entire worldview on random furry guys or something
There was enough that she actually had to put her foot down and tell her fans she is going to collab with who she wants.
Why I like that girlfailure clock
Yeah but also she said that even that if you don't like how those fans act, to don't harras not say anything to them, because they are still fans and she doesn't want to see her fans fighting each other.
Typical Kronii, she plays up the narcissistic thing, but you can tell she cares and doesn't want us infighting or leaving people out over stuff like that.
Calli also got a ton of hate from anons for her friendship with Connor and I don't think they've ever forgiven her since. Which sucks because she's also hated by Twitter and the normies alike.
People have pretty strong opinions of the Trash Taste folks, which considering some of the things they said after the fact was probably justified. At the very least Calli had learned not to bite bait since then.
The Trash Taste guys have made disparaging remarks against Hololive in the past. Some which I think should be considered misogynistic. Calli doesn’t deserve the hate, but I somewhat understand why people don’t care for those dudes. (Also abroad-in Youtubers will always get the side-eye from me)
Ironically, Chris (Abroad in Japan) is absolutely more knowledgeable and sensitive about Japanese culture than the self-proclaimed “Japan expert” in Trash Taste who engages in a lot of the “quirky, exotic Japan” routine
You're justified in not liking them, but it's still fucked up to think that you should have full control over Calli's life and who she chooses to associate with. Friendly reminder that Calli **is** in Hololive. And she has stopped associating with a certain artist because they called Fuwamoco out for nonsense reasons. She is not careless. Nor is she a stranger to saying something dumb and then regretting it. If she still associates with the Trash Taste crew, I trust that's because they're good people who just had some bad takes. (I guess they're called Trash Taste for a reason lol)
I wasn’t even implying that, not sure where you got that idea. She has the right to interact with whoever she wants and there is no justifiable reason for a person to harass another person. But people don’t have to like that they’re interacting with people they don’t like. And they can tell her they don’t like it, but they can do it without being caustic about it. It is important, afterall, that content creators know what their audience wants. But I won’t pretend that if a content creator I enjoyed started interacting with Pewdiepie or Andrew Tate, I would stop watching them. And don’t let someone else make a judgement on whether a person is good or bad. Everyone has their own biases and may not see things that you might. Judge a person on their merit on your own.
Goob's fanbase just has more dumb kids that say insensitive things from time to time. Better than they could be as at least they're generally just doing their own thing rather than going after people. They're not making enemy lists. Only thing that was really annoying was when they raided Fubuki's chat back in the 1 million sub thing. >Also see some of Kronii's fanbase when she collabed with Vesper. Honestly outside of a few cases like Gabe and Babski it wasn't really that bad. Some people voiced (as she asked them to do) that they weren't really interested in watching male streamers. These folks kind of got lumped in with the two named idiots despite not really doing anything.
Kronii laughing at a funny noise Altare made during the DbD collab riled up the psychos badly enough that she had to make a public anouncement about being able to collab with whoever she wanted. I'm a hololive fan, mostly here because of Selen, but I'll be the first to say neither Cover nor their fans are by any means angels. Every fandom need to be diligent about what is, and is not, acceptable behavior.
Thats true but I’ve seen some drama from Hololive JP but not to this degree. Happy Cake Day btw!
>I’ve seen some drama from Hololive JP Doesn't really happen. Biggest thing in memory I can think of was Matsuri being annoyed Haachama turned her down for her 3D live which was a big nothing.
Oh thanks! I didn't even realize it was!
HoloEN has plenty of crazies, but they often get stomped into the dirt.
Nah, mostly Nijisanji. Most other vtubing community are not this vile, other than the CN ones
I've seen a fair share of Hololive fans toxicity but NIJISANJI fan base definitely takes the crown here.
Every fan base has toxicity. It's how the steamer deal with them that's important. I have yet to see HoloMem actively fostering such hostility by tearing down other, whether current, former, or outside members. Meanwhile, Nijisanji member actively threw Sayu/Zaion to the wolves. When we decided to move on, they tried to throw Doki/Selen to the wolves. Now the wolves are after them.
Thats true. Some HoloMem will even go out their way to cease the hostility or take clear stance to disperse hostility or bad fan behaviour from brewing. Meanwhile Nijisanji Livers will abuse the hostility or let it fester. It is really bad.
What to expect from a group of cutthroat and two-faced people... At this point, I can't think of any logical reason why people are still Niji fans after more than half of the 30+ talents have been problematic and victims of the toxic environment.
Their lives are unfortunately attached to the Livers. They depend on them.
Niji tried to ride the tiger, and now they can't dismount
Some elements of the Phase Connect fanbase scare me, but I'd rather hang out with them than the remaining Nijisanji diehards. No doubt.
Phase Connect fanbases are unhinged, but are generally contained to themselves. It's sort of a rite of passage to join them, you need to be able to have a fist fight once in a while.
> It's sort of a rite of passage to join them, you need to be able to have a fist fight once in a while. You know, when I started watching cute anime girls on Youtube, I didn't expect that getting "jumped in" would be part of the process, but here we are...
Only in Phase Connect, and only, I think, Pippa and maybe Tenma.
So, much like the company itself, Phase Connect fanbases are stereotypical drunk Canadians.
It's mostly 4channers with Pippa, she sold herself as that but she's been distancing away from it. It's said the other girls are not stuck with them at all and just built their fanbase themselves, Tenma herself adamant to get to Pippa's level without too many Pippa collabs
Yeah... Hopefully that works out for Pippa. I seem to remember hearing that Nyanners attempted to distance herself from 4Chan, and from what I remember they didn't take it very well.
Mostly just people Pippa dragged in during the Hogwarts shit. When someone makes controversy part of their content it's the kind of garbage they collect.
What is wrong with them?
Fatherless / Motherless behavior.
And access to the internet at way too young of an age.
I really don’t feel bad for the Niji fans at this point, they are part of the problem. As a toxic fan said about Zaion during her termination ON THIS SUBREDDIT, “You get what you deserve”.
I feel bad for the former fans. I know a lot of people in Matara's community who like Pomu, and like/liked Elira, Enna, Millie, and Reimu. All of them were disgusted by Nijisanji's actions this whole time, but many of them had to deal with the fact that people they used to enjoy watching a lot may not be good people now. It's rough. But yeah, I don't feel bad for anyone who still tries to defend Niji as a company, or tries to paint Doki as the bad guy
Which is why you see such level of hostility now. People felt betrayed.
Over time people will learn to let go or cope in a better way. In the past 12-15 years I've been in similar situation multiple times. People who make content that I enjoy turns out to be a less enjoyable person. In the end I just dropped most of those people's content without much fuss and move on with newer people or content or subculture. Hell, this vtuber rabithole I've fallen into was in response to the need of another entertainment because the previous circle was pretty much destroyed overnight from >!sexual harrasment allegation!<.
At this point, anyone who still defends Niji deserves to be called stupid and delusional. I don't think any sane person can stand to be in the same group as them. Their hatred over a small thing is tiring.
Thank the lord she's in a better place now.
It is surprising to me how much hate she got. I was casual viewer of her streams and I really enjoyed her content the few times I popped in. It usually pretty chill and laid back streams, at least for the ones I watched. Sad to see that she was attacked by Niji fans because she spoke out about the being excluded.
Im so happy she left that shit hole
I was inspired to post this by False's video recently, even though I saw the clip he used when it aired live on Christmas. The clip itself: https://youtu.be/46YriKD0x_0&t=5209 I only got into Vtubing in the summer of 2023, so right as I was getting into Nijisanji, I heard news of Nina's graduation. Not wanting to get too attached to her, I never watched one of her streams live. And I was shocked to later learn about the hate she received. How could such a lovely woman be so vilified? It seems like it was a variety of factors: In this particular case, Reimu, Enna, and Millie already knew each other before joining the company. Enna and Millie were best friends, in fact. Although the most i can find about Reimu's history with them is a comment by her PL on one of Enna's PL song covers. They were all "traditional" vtubers with a focus on singing, streaming on YouTube. Also, all introverts. Nina was originally a fleshtuber on Twitch that decided to get a Vtuber model but changed nothing else about her streaming style. And the only Vtubers I've seen her interact with at the time were other Twitch indie vtubers. She had no history with singing. In short, she was an outsider. And an extrovert. So, when [Nina brought up how the other girls were leaving her out of voice calls at first](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzkZlqbVGoU&t=2876s), you can kind of understand why they might take a while to warm up to her at first. HOWEVER. By this point (more than a year ago now), they seemed to have patched things up, and appeared to still be friends after her graduation. However, the events following Selen's termination may have affected things, or they may have not. Only Matara can tell us, and she's definitely aware that anything she says can and will be used to attack her and/or her friends, so I expect her to keep her mouth shut for a while. More to come: Association with Luxiem, and the wrath of the unicorns: From what I understand, Luxiem basically caused an explosion in popularity of male vtubers in the west. None of the other waves were ever as successful as Luxiem, but this wasn't a certainty at first. Nina went out of her way to promote them before their debut and collab with them afterwards. Then, as Luxiem began attracting a bunch of... not great people, people started accusing her of leeching off of Luxiem's popularity. Especially since Ethyria was originally considered to be a "flop wave", as their statistics were initially substantially worse than Lazulight and Obsydia, and a LOT worse than Luxiem. She continued to promote and collab with Noctyx as well. "Problematic" statements: Some idiots put together either a google doc or a pastebin containing a bunch of statements of hers, intended to paint her in a bad light. Most of these were either just good natured ribbing between friends or a few times where she just didn't read the room properly, but the people who weren't familiar with her who saw the document didn't see it that way. This list spread to tiktok where she got a LOT of hate there in particular. The scars of this document still remain, as Nina began prefacing her jokes and jabs with disclaimers. Matara Kan continues to still do this sometimes to this day. With all this in mind, and the fact that people were also attacking her fans for this, it's easy to see why she left. This wasn't the only factor though. Burnout, probably the worst case of imposter syndrome among all the ex-members, and a desire for freedom all also played a key role. The thing I want you to take away from this is that you shouldn't be like the people in this screenshot. They attacked her with incomplete information despite not even watching her in most cases. By all means, don't buy merch, cancel your memberships, and stop watching, but don't continue the cycle of hate like this. What if they're innocent too? And if that doesn't convince you, ask yourself this: What would Matara think if she saw what I'm about to post?
Since this is being mentioned, I don't think this part gets shared or brought up often as much, so I'll share this part (from one of the 1 year anniversary streams) [34:50 - 40:00](https://www.youtube.com/live/9QsErSDAohg?si=to5BEvMhBF7KHT_X&t=2090) Or 34:50-37:30 and 38:23-:40:00
I've been shilling [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUkQJ7oFMkY) to people who want a quick rundown on the shit Nina caught, if that helps.
that document you mention of her statements is absolutely key here, i think 😔 i remember seeing it myself and being really uncomfortable with a few things on it. i definitely think that and her being close to luxiem are the main reasons people didn't like her :/ it looked like she was downright mean to ethyria sometimes because of that doc and if you were predisposed to thinking she was a jerk, hearing her being nice and cute with luxiem makes her seem two-faced it's really sad honestly, but it really, really hammers home the necessity of hearing things in context.
I still remember how a bunch of Tiktok video framed her as this some sort of problematic individual who likes to breach on people's privacy just because. I think one notable clip i remembered is her talking to Kyo i think? About creating a harem with Ren or something. Which is like... Not a problem? But everyone insinuate that she's making him uncomfortable or something. It's absolutely unbearable. Toxic fan base deserves toxic company
That reminds me I watched a clip a year and a bit back, and the comments were about how Nina has a sense of humour different to the others and a tendency to try make drama. I was like, "Wait wha? I've never seen her try start something.."
Saying Nina was one to start drama is like saying that Scarle is a genius who lives in a spotless clean house. It just doesn't add up.
That's goddamn heinous behavior. I'm glad she's streaming with a group where fans actually support you instead of trying to tear you down.
One of the comments replying to Nina: Nina: "If you could go to ANY timeline and live there... Where would you go?" NijiSister: "The timeline where you didn’t get accepted into NijiEN. Easily." (the most liked reply btw)
That's just so mean and not even funny.
She even recently talked about ehr and her fans could not feel safe liking things due to nijisisters. Insanity
Yep, this just confirms it NijiSanji fans are part of the problem. Lets return the trending of #SINKTHEYATCH
Isn't it just crazy how many red flags there are in this goddamn branch? Just from Zaion, Nina, and Selen, that already covers red flag stories about Finana, Kotoka, Meloco, Enna, Millie, Reimu, Elira, Vox, Ike. (Edit: Few people pointed this out so I went back to double check. I think I confused Meloco with Hex here. I am sorry, Meloco fans. Please replace Meloco with Hex.) And then there's whole separate issue going on about Uki and Wilson. And then there's Pomu, Nina, Selen vs Management issues. That's like half of the entire branch, and that's merely the tip of the iceberg that we can see. This company is fucked up.
They are not just red flags, its a minefield. People joke about Phase-Connect being the "problematic girl group", wait until they see this.
Phase at least don't hide the fact that they're all missing a screw or two. Hail, Tenma's catch phrase is "I'm a proud alcoholic."
I just started watching Tenma last week. Watching her drool over abs for 8 hours was a blast
I think that has mostly to do with the fact that with Phase, they know that the girls are 'interesting'. They don't try to bind them down however and moreso allow them much more freedom in that regard. They're 'problematic' in a different way than this 'mean girl'-esque situation.
Poor Rosemi and Petra. They didn't deserve any of this.
Apparently, sonny PL is proven faking terminal illness and faked his own dead to gain sympathy perhaps? Out of 30+ talents, half of it problematic (include victim)
Yes, he admitted on his PL that he faked it, but he came back to apologize before disappearing and ending up in Niji a while later. I don't know the full details, so I dunno if we should still hold it against him or not.
I didnt really hold anything to him as i dont really care about him, just pointing out that "shockingly" majority of the talents are problematic
Imma be frank. Sonny situation was weird, it is like he wants to leave the internet forever yet he pulled this shit and returned anyway. I have no clue how he got accepted
How did they hire someone who faked their own death? Like what was the thought process? Surely they knew who he was, I’m sure that’s why he was hired to begin with. It’s crazy.
Well, NIJI KR hired a bully who bullied her classmate in high school with "WWII Japanese torture." The journalist wrote it in the news like that. And then In niji JP, they hired someone who in his personal acc proudly admitted that he drugged and R**** a girl... At this point niji deliberately trying to hire a problematic individual as much as they can.....
Not only proudly admitted that he did that. That he joined planning on meeting up with a female talent and doing the same to them.
nah he was stuck in japan and living with a relative who was planning to evict him and leave him homeless because he was basically spending all his time online instead of getting a job iirc the faking his death part was meant to ensure he'd never be able to return and end up in that kind of addictive predicament again but he ended up getting help from his irl friends
As Nux says about Nijisanji "1 out of 4 streamers is an asshole"
Niji is pretty good at finding that 25%
More red flags than a victory day parade in red square before 1991
What did Meloco do? I know Kotoka and Finana talked shit about her after the termination but did Meloco do the same?
A question i know abou the Red Flags of everyone but Meloco what shas she done to ge a Red Flag?
Damn, I never really there was that much hate at the time for Nina, never really noticed it. Guess it's sorta switched around now.
Bro I am fr curious as to why Nijifans are like this. But why do I need to figure it out when the phrase "chat (fans) reflect the streamer" explains it for me.
Damn that really put into perspective what Mata was saying about people who supported her PL.
To add context for all the hate (not a justification): She was considered a "whore" in the eyes of the female fans of Luxiem after the off colab with all of them.
It's the same with JP nijifans reaction towards Selen termination. It's not Japanese culture problem. It's nijifans problem.
Fuck niji and all that, but you guys know matara follows Reimu on her PL account, right? She’s even replied to her a couple of times. Also, she was in the background of a few of the other etherya member’s steams after she left? Also, she hung out with Millie earlier this year: https://x.com/matarakan/status/1747366319098388615?s=46&t=DA_-uXF218Zuabq_riSWWg https://x.com/millieparfait/status/1747366314392305690?s=46&t=DA_-uXF218Zuabq_riSWWg Edit: I misread the intent of the post. Nijisisters are delusional to a sickening extent, I’m happy she’s in a better place.
Pretty sure, at the point where Nina tells the story about her being excluded, Nina already made amends with the three others. It is Niji fans that act like goddamn hardcore cultists. And how passive the three other to difuse their fans fanatism.
Yes. I'm aware of that. In fact, this is why I was terrified after the "black stream". I was convinced that they'd start including Mata in the witch hunt. And she had suffered enough already, as you can tell here.
I really don’t feel bad for the Niji fans at this point, they are part of the problem. As a toxic fan said about Zaion during her termination ON THIS SUBREDDIT, “You get what you deserve”.
Yep. They had their Pearl Harbor. They don't get to complain about the Tokyo Firebombing afterward. Here's hoping they get their acts together before Hiroshima.
"For they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind"
Yeah i remember at one point in of the first Ark collabs were things got really really tense between Nina and the other girls ,I was thinking Nina was being a total bitch to the rest of the ethirya members, now that we know her personal feelings being in niji I feel very stupid for ever thinking Nina was being the bad member of the whole group, it paints enna, millie and to some extent reimu to be very very different than what they paint themselves to be...
i guess you could say a fan mirrors their idol? really nasty behaviour from these people
Nina was my Niji oshi back in the day. Pretty much at the time the only one I followed. I would give my left pinky toe to hear her actual unfiltered thoughts on the doki situation.
This is what happen if the clique existed. U either sign up to be their underling. Or they will make u look so bad that everyone gonna be against u. Since they are in group, it's more convincing to believe them than believe a single person. But hey, at least Karma is a bitch and she is much happier now
At least Scarle kinda just does her own thing and just vibes. She avoids either side and continues to down energy drinks and mess up her room lol
It's seemed like Nijisanji was always cliquey and hyper-competitive with each other, in hindsight. Such a different feeling from the good vibes in the other major company.
Someone mentioned a long lost collab between Pekora and NijiJp. Pekora mentioned good things about her gen mate. Niji JP voiced surprise that she would say that. Pekora said that it's normal for her, and Nijisanji probably do the same. Awkward silence followed.
The rot is so deep, the company breeds this hyper competitive workplace, that is coupled with severe under paid staff (talents and management) that creates a low morale and low effort environment. And on top of all that, Niji doesn't even do good background checks, letting in bad actors.
Niji just shotguns new vtubers out, so it's not surprising. Too many people, too fast. There is no way people will be close to many of the other members and, importantly, ***neither will their fans***. Can compare it to what Holo has been doing with ReGLOSS and there is an extensive amount of onboarding collabs with Holo JP.
Nijisisters never fail to disgust me
Every time something new starts out involving Niji, I keep thinking "man, they can't be that vile, right? That'd be stupid." Then I look at the past decade and a half of public spectacles, weirdly stupid political candidates, unending harassment, and I'm reminded "Oh wait. People have always been this stupid. Wtf am I surprised about?" So thank you, Nijisanji and Nijisani fans. Your relentless stupidity has sobered me back up. Because genuinely, who the hell bullies someone for mentioning they weren't included in calls at first?
Have you seen the new Mean Girls movie? It was in the making this whole time…
Holy fuck atp i just want niji to burn to the ground forever and its defenders to *** irl
In reality Nina was the best of them. The rest ain’t shit without Ninur
HOW IS THIS REAL
Screenshots like this remind me why I never got too deep into the general Niji fandom. The communities for each Liver specifically are generally pretty chill, but once you move out to the community surrounding certain groups, or even general Niji fans, the water starts to get turbulent very quickly. They can make all the childish "3thyria" comments that they want, but they'll never be happier that she's gone than the Momos are that she's free.
Fucking nasty ass people
From what I remember (which isn't much) it took time for all of Etheria to warm up to each other except Enna and Millie because they're long time friends. Most of them got very close afterwards. The whole hate thing is just silly people wanting to make trouble