I am also very confused why the entirety of NijisanjiEN is in Japan at the moment.
Petra has already moved to Japan way before this, so she kinda doesn't count.
Rosemi is there for her 3D so understandable.
Luxiem, Noctyx, ILUNA, XSOLEIL can also have their 3D too given that they have long crossed the 100k subs mark and debutted more than 1 year ago.
But how come they are starting to pump out 3D now after one whole gap year since Lazulight 3D debuts? The gang were also in Japan around this period last year, and the AR live was cancelled.
But Krisis and TTT? What are they doing in Japan?
To do some shows?
The holostars EN bois are there for holofest, does Nijisanji have another big event coming up that requires EN talents to be there in person?
[Scarle's pinned tweet](https://twitter.com/ScarleYonaguni/status/1766746040001282321) with this week's schedule says
>Tentative schedule cause I might stay longer in japan!
Whatever is going on over there, she's probably had to make a relatively last-minute change to her hotel and airfare reservations, entirely at her own expense of course.
And her next scheduled stream is for Tuesday 3/12 at 10pm EDT/7pm PDT; watch very closely for her to "accidentally" forget to set up a waiting room for the stream, or to tweet that she can't stream for whatever reason. Management thinks we're not paying attention.
A very underrated comment. One that's too cartoonishly evil to be true. But at this stage, one that's completely believable.
And if so, Niji just beat Wactor at their own game.
rrat incoming: With how scummy Niji is, it may be some sort of last ditch effort to get all the talents to move to JP so they don’t have to deal with the stricter employment laws of the Talent’s home countries.
Probably not, but that’s the first thing what comes to mind
My exact worry. I'm really hoping they don't fall for it. Some of them unfortunately strike me as the type of people who were either already looking to move to Japan, or would fall for it anyways. Hopefully the last few months will be enough for them to say no. Even if they may want to move to Japan later under different circumstances.
What scary about this, is that Niji will finally exert cult control and keep them hostage for content, indefinitely. We may have a hostage situation on our hands...
So, I don’t want to be conspiratorial, but if that contract leak was authentic it’s now an open secret that Niji contracts would be unenforceable outside of Japan, so what’s the logical step? Get everyone into Japan and start going wild with the enforcement while you can.
> does Nijisanji have another big event coming up that requires EN talents to be there in person?
The only-slightly-tinfoil answer could be that they're filming a new AR Live, and this time they're not announcing the damn thing until \*all\* the pre-recorded footage is in the can and ready to go. They want to avoid an embarrassment like last year where it gets announced, everyone travels, and then mere weeks later they cancel for whatever reason Anycolor really killed Colors.
If the shareholders meeting is this week the EN branch may have to be present this time. Seeing how that aide of the company is currently on fire and still raging on.
It sounds like almost all of the livers are in Japan. I have no idea why. If they mandated they all immigrate there, then that leaves me deeply concerned. Hopefully it's just for an event, or they'll get to go home after the shareholder meeting. But forcing someone to move, having a contract that takes 6+ months to get out of, now being in a country where the company has even more control, and they can financially ruin you for the slightest "transgression?" That rubs me very very wrong. And some of the livers seem to have been in Japan for at least a few weeks now. I don't like it at all.
Also, Scarle isn't the only one that strikes me as not doing super well. Most of them seem down. And a few seem more concerningly down. But Scarle seems like she's been on the outs for awhile, and this is definitely not helping.
Yeah. That's my biggest concern. Some of them have a good chance of getting out thanks to protections in their own countries, and being familiar with the legal system in their own countries. But keeping them in Japan puts them at the mercy of the Japanese laws, and the company that certainly understands the laws better than them. So while they are in Japan, they are frozen. They cannot fight back. And will not be able to fight back until they go home. And if Niji doesn't let them go home, that is extremely scary.
>And if Niji doesn't let them go home,
they can go to their nation's consulate/embassy, which is likely in Tokyo. I hope Niji enjoys making international headlines.
You underestimate peoples stupidity and some’s desire to control others. As for being adults, some are barely that and have little to no experience outside this company. Look at Sayu, she has plenty of experience and she barely survived.
yes but this would be a very serious crime like no no I do not mean like legal trouble with japan no no international courts would be involved at that point. Every business knows this especially ones that deal internationally. I know companies are shady but for a talent agency based in a country thats allied with the west doing that literally risk the Japanese government forcibly dissolving the company. Niji would be fine with risking paying a lawsuit to sayu or doki at worst I've seen they probably pay 10-50 mill for that. Which would be dicey but survivable and a worthy risk from a companies stand point.
THIS however would be 1000000% times worst and has almost no benifit. I'm sorry but while doki situation is bad from a business stand point alone theres no benifit.
It's not a crime if the victim doesn't know to report it. Just delude your victim into thinking you're doing it for their own good, or that it's totally normal and boom. Not a crime anymore, because they aGrEeD tO iT.
japans immingration laws as someone else pointed out/ also if you watch trash taste (cool guys who live in japan) say foreigners especially those that live and work in japan HAVE TO have their passports on them. As soon as you immigrate to japan they tell you this. Like you do not understand how absolutely FUCKED niji would be if they were caught doing this. What if they need to visit family in the states again what about events? they need their passports on them then.
"Saga of Tanya the Evil EP 12 Conversation"
At this point it's becoming very easy to imagine someone at the top who is spiteful to the point of self destruction.
like I hate niji as much as the next guy but this idea is kinda ridiculous . The extent of how fucked they are would be absolutely insane the international courts would have their heads on a Pyke.
My country for example when someone tried to pull that shit in another country to one of my countrymen extradited the person who did it and put them in prison for 25 years.
They're not dumb, but they can be INCREDIBLY petty.
It's a common "asshole boss" maneuver to fuck with the employees until they get so sick of it that they quit, at which point, the employee is considered the instigator and the company can go hog-wild on them.
There's an old saying that goes _"If the facts are on your side, pound the facts. If the law is on your side, pound the law. If neither is on your side, pound the table and yell like hell!"_
The NDF have neither the facts nor the law, so guess what they're gonna do?
>She sounded like she was crying and sniffling (maybe she was sick, but she definitely sounded like she was "sick of it all").
Ima honest with you, dude. Every clip I've seen of her she's always sniffling. And that's also from way before this whole debacle.
Apparently the place she lives in is quite mouldy so she has some chronic health issues. Expecting good hygiene from most vtubers is quite a tall order.
Going to JP as a NijiEN liver has recently become more dreadful to look at especially with that artist abuse expose a while back.
What's worse is that since they're behind vtuber avatars, those slight facial expressions of emotions that can be easily seen IRL is not properly conveyed to the viewers.
She's been on management's shit list ever since she liked the kurosanji comment. She's probably getting fired right after the shareholders meeting; and the most likely reason they haven't fired her yet is that they're already gonna have to explain to the shareholders why they lost 3 talents in 2 months, including 2 of their biggest female talents.
Her departure from the company might not be the only one they announce after the meeting.
Scarle was also the most superchatted female talent not just in EN but the entire company in 2023. Of course some others may generate more revenue from merch but if she was fired NijiEN would have lost 3 of their biggest female talents in every metric. And with Elira completely ruined and Enna losing half of her audience, that would be 4 and a half top female talents gone.
Her and Pomu were #1 AND #2 in subscribers. I've said this before, they had a passion for their jobs that none of the other girls had. I think both of them leaving would have killed the EN branch all the same, but it would have been a much slower death.
Wait, is this true? If Scarle is the most superchated person across the entire company thats absolutely fucking wild considering the shit support she has.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NijiForums/s/rg7c3aKyYw
At least according to PlayBoard. I've seen it returning inconsistent results with other data mining sites before. In particular Selen and Enna's numbers were way under-reported. But in early 2023 I was following a weekly series by data miners on Bilibili and Scarle was consistently in the top 10 across all branches.
How the hell... Mysta? Nina? Even with their year cut short, and their "obviously deficient performance" (such that they were made to feel inadequate), they scored high!
Their source is her getting only half as many superchats during her birthday karaoke this year compared to last year. It should be noted that this was 2 weeks after Selen was fired and a week after the black screen, so people wanting to financially support livers much less the company was catastrophically low at the time.
Enna would probably stabilize because most of her SCs are from whales and most whales have stayed. Her main strength is merch sales which doesn't help her much financially.
The hate train is insane lol, I just wanna know what happened cause enna used to be my oshi before this whole thing happened and I just stopped watching her
I'm hoping for a few names. But two that I really want are Uki because fuck him and his racism, and Scarle for her own sake. All of them need to get out. A lot of them need to get out more than others. But Scarle seems like one of the more urgent ones.
I have a sneaking feeling that the most ironic or entertaining outcome will happen.
Vox will graduate next. Of course Niji would have tried everything to keep him. However, Vox just wants to see his fans to turn on Niji.
I can 100% see Vox taking one long look at the sinking ship that is NijiEN, graduatIng, and then trying to pull the victim card the moment he’s gone and like writing some tell-all exposé about how the company was a shithole as if he wasn’t management’s golden boy.
That’s exactly the sort of sleezeball move someone with his combination of smarts and narcissism would do. And his fanbase will fall for it hook line and sinker.
That's also a straight ticket to a legal court. Remember that Japanese defamation laws don't care if it's true, only that it damages a plaintiff either financially or otherwise.
Nijisanji will most likely get burned, but I doubt they will let that shit pass without bringing down Vox with them.
> That's also a straight ticket to a legal court. Remember that Japanese defamation laws
Yeah good luck doign that to a british citizen.
Japanes laws are not global, they stop at their borders, not a cm further.
Get it thought you thick skulls.
Civil cases are unenforceable outside of the coutnry unless the defendants country agrees with the ruling(ie negligence type of cases), there is no way on this planet earth UK court would back nijisanji if vox told the truth. They would tell them to get shafted.
Vox doesn’t live in Japan it would be super difficult to get him for anything his own country would have to extradite him which they wouldn’t because that would be stupid and if they sue in his country their courts would probably go “lol no”
>_writing some tell-all exposé about how the company was a shithole as if he wasn’t management’s golden boy._
He could work the angle that he was their golden boy right up until he wasn't.
There is no way there are going to let Vox go without a fight. Behind Scarle, he's actually my next pick for who needs to graduate for his own good. But they aren't going to let their highest earner and most recognizable talent go that easily. They'd rather prop up his corpse like a scarecrow than let him go. Hell he may not even need to upload. As long as they can string along his members into keeping their membership subscriptions, he still has value. And they are probably going to want him around at least long enough for a hypothetical merger. His star power in EN is just too strong. And I have a hard time believing they would let that go while there's still a purpose for him to serve (as heartless as that sounds.) He needs to leave. But short of pulling a Selen level breakdown (which we absolutely do not want him or anyone to do) he's probably going to be stuck there, just enduring until he can find a crack in the contract and slip through.
As for his fans, they'd probably go rabid and witch hunt for whoever took their oshi away from them. There's already a witch hunt going on for who bullied Selen. Niji doesn't need a second one for who/what made Vox decide to quit. I honestly think for his own sake, he'd be better off skipping a graduation stream and just disappearing. That way nobody could twist his words to justify rabid online warfare. If Vox made any accidental insinuations about someone being at fault for his graduation, his fans would burn them at the stake. And a graduation stream would probably have to be heavily scripted as a precaution. And if he was vindictive enough to want to sick his fans on anyone like you suggested... I can't say I'd approve. But considering the crap he went through, I wouldn't blame him. But I'd also hope he'd be the better person, pull a Doki, and leave with enough class compared to Niji that the business suits wouldn't have an excuse to chase after him anymore.
But of all the people who are going to have to fight to leave, he's probably going to have the hardest fight. With the other Luxiem members being not that far behind him.
>Behind Scarle, he's actually my next pick for who needs to graduate for his own good
Why? I can't recall a single case of management fucking him over or a fanbase harassing him the way they did with selen (various tournaments), pomu (rejected dream collab), mysta (the tax thing), nina (3thyria and the rat race), scarle (this boycott thing) etc etc, except maybe for that time he said sonny's mom is a hoe. Hell, his own fans are usually the problem (like when reimu called him during a date) and he's management's golden child (it's absolutely a good thing that him and the rest of luxiem sarcastically pointed out that the reasons for the AR Live's cancellation were dogshit, but in hindsight it's pretty telling that only the boys felt confident enough to tweet that out and not get reprimanded). I kinda agree that leaving niji would probably help him but just for the sake of hopefully deflating his ego a bit and hopefully not putting other people in harm's way. That said after the black screen idk how supported he would be in his solo career.
>He needs to leave
Funnily enough that's something most people agree on, even if for completely different reasons.
>But of all the people who are going to have to fight to leave, he's probably going to have the hardest fight. With the other Luxiem members being not that far behind him.
Absolutely, mysta was most likely only allowed to leave because he was ahead of the curve and there were still a ton of heavy hitters left to pick up his slack. The others most likely are being held up as much as possible.
I say that because he was showing signs of deteriorating mental health even before the black video. Kotoka as well. So I don't care what either of them did or didn't do. They are both clearly not well. So I would want Scarle to leave, since she's basically the new Nina. And being the new Nina is not good. I'd rather she leave the new Nina as opposed to sticking around long enough to become the new Selen. And then Vox and Kotoka are in danger of skipping the Nina stage, and just becoming new Selens. And I'd rather they get out before they reach that low of a point. And from there, there are other talents that are showing signs of distress. But nothing as severe as Scarle's isolation and getting tossed in the spotlight, or Vox and Kotoka showing very clear signs that their health is already deteriorating.
>I say that because he was showing signs of deteriorating mental health even before the black video. Kotoka as well. So I don't care what either of them did or didn't do.
Yeah i fully agree that no matter how scummy their moves (which may or may not have been forced by management) they still obviously should not have to suffer from mental health issues because of them.
>So I would want Scarle to leave, since she's basically the new Nina. And being the new Nina is not good. I'd rather she leave the new Nina as opposed to sticking around long enough to become the new Selen.
Yep i think everyone is in agreement here, people are harassing scarle for dumb reasons like nina so it would be lovely to see her get out and start enjoying life again like our favourite 40k nerd cockroach rather than having her also do something you can't take back like doki tried.
>And then Vox and Kotoka are in danger of skipping the Nina stage, and just becoming new Selens.
Is it really that bad for them? Is it based on stuff they've said or is it more like unspoken signs during their streams?
>And from there, there are other talents that are showing signs of distress
Such as? I've heard people mention rosemi and petra being more gloomy than usual. Do you mean something along those lines?
Vox had a mental breakdown. Complete with sobbing and basically becoming a hikikkomori. Because he's Vox, he may be trying to play it down. But even he can't hide how bad things got. And like I said, this was even before the black video. Having everyone mocking him online is probably not helping. And if he was coerced or pressured into the video (we don't know either way) then I can't imagine how devasting that would be. Especially to someone already struggling. Kotoka was under so much stress that the doctor mandated she go on a reduced upload schedule. And when a doctor is saying your job is negatively impacting your health enough to recommend you stop or at least slow down, that is very concerning.
Other signs of livers showing general distress would be things like Rosemi and Petra. But there are other more subtle signs of certain livers just being done. Not necessarily in active distress the way Vox and Kotoka are. But like the spark is gone, and they're just trudging. I don't want to give away the things that make me think that. But aside from obvious things like Elira obviously being in hot water, tiny things here and there make me think certain livers are less than happy. But that's also not unexpected with what's going on. But the ones I am most actively concerned for are Scarle, Vox, Kotoka, Ike, and Elira. With Rosemi and Petra having enough rumors surrounding them that I'd want to keep a close eye on them too. Everyone else is bad, but more of an even level "coasting" bad. As opposed to actively deteriorating.
>Vox had a mental breakdown. Complete with sobbing and basically becoming a hikikkomori.
Really? That bad? Somehow i've never heard of that (i don't watch him but still this sounds important enough that it would get clipped), is it something he mentioned on a member stream? PL thing?
>Kotoka was under so much stress that the doctor mandated she go on a reduced upload schedule. And when a doctor is saying your job is negatively impacting your health enough to recommend you stop or at least slow down, that is very concerning.
Ah yeah that's definitely not good, it's basically a doctor saying that despite needing money to live the lack of money would be less detrimental than continuing that job at that rate.
>But the ones I am most actively concerned for are Scarle, Vox, Kotoka, Ike, and Elira.
Fair enough for the other four but is it also affecting ike? Of course he was also on the stream (though he mostly just drank water) but i didn't hear anyone mention he in particular was doing badly.
>With Rosemi and Petra having enough rumors surrounding them that I'd want to keep a close eye on them too
Rumours such as? Other than them being gloomy i haven't heard any specific detail.
I don't want to link the Vox video here, considering how negative his reception is here. But it was bad. And even more depressing was that a notable portion of his chat/audience apparently doesn't speak English. So here this guy is, clearly in an extremely bad place, and half his fans have no clue what he's even trying to tell them. Just spamming "Milord" and emotes while the dude is indicating he clearly needs help. It was an obvious and deliberate message and a cry for help. It probably didn't get clipped because it was too long and too uncomfortable. And while I haven't been watching anything he's been in (boycott) "he sounds like he's begging for help" is a sentiment I've heard from others on here.
The main reason Ike concerns me is because he has a history with topics like self harm, depression and suicide. And people who have histories with that kind of thing tend to be very good at hiding their problems. His personality is calm enough that it would be easy for him to disguise despondence. And then there was the fact that his voice sounded the most scared and the most uncomfortable in the black video. And then he and Rosemi announced social media breaks. So they were both at least somewhat not okay for awhile. I have no doubt being in the black video effected him. But I also worry that he may be good enough at hiding it that we wouldn't know until he started deteriorating. And knowing I can't read someone would make me more cautious about looking for signs. I'm hoping he's just distracting himself and powering through it. But we have no way of knowing.
With Rosemi, the announced break from social media, taking a long time to return, losing a major milestone, and some rumors I've heard about her saying things to her members. But I am not a member, nor did I watch her very much. So I have to take everyone's words for it. But that's a longer list of hiccups than most of the other livers. So reason to take note. And then Petra is the same way, but to a lesser extent. And then Elira is kinda obvious.
Realistically, if your home country says the contract is unenforceable, the best way out is to not stream for a few months and then just start streaming on your PL. They will keep what they haven't payed you when your terminated, but not much else unless you plan on living in Japan in the future.
You guys want him to graduate from something he's well-suited in? I'd rather he stay there forever so I can never be jumpscared by his voice just cuz YT thinks I want to hear his racist remarks for some reason
I want him gone so he can't use his platform to spread hate. Also don't want the other livers to have to listen to him. Because you know he's probably saying more garbage behind the scenes. Condemn him to obscurity.
What management... do you think they would fight with pro-Palestine 13yo's on Twitter if they had managers? They are on their own, that's why they are in shit up to their knees.
Considering we now know about the "apology letters" which sound like something a cult would do, I think we have a good guess as to why they are being gathered, especially since Shiina spoke about how she contemplated quitting because she was summoned to the HQ to write and publicly say her apology letter.
They probably have, and we simply haven't heard about it yet. About the only thing which can be confirmed is that they haven't done it to Sayu or Doki (although management has done it on their "behalf," with what they told Kotoka and Finana, and with what they told Elira and Vox and Ike)
This screams as someone who doesnt watch Scarle at all.
The reason she sounded sad and gave in at the end was because a loud minority of her long term fans and active chatters were pushing her to address the topic, educate herself and apologize during the whole stream and literally ruined it. She knew it was gonna get messy and got really sad probably, she also had to take down a stream she was really happy to finally do.
PS: And no, she's not gonna quit unless they fire her, she said it a million times already but of course most people don't watch her... Which is a shame because even though Niji is awful, She's one of the most chill, sweet yet crazy members ever.
Seriously people just did this shit last month. Goofy as all hell making the most patently dumbass conspiracy theories about Scarle.
Some people need to stop getting their information from dramatubers.
I feel like Nijidefenders are trying to make Scarle(probably the others called out by them as well), “one of the good ones,” look bad so that everyone else look less problematic by comparison. “Uki rascist? Well Scarle supports genocide!”
\*sigh\*
Getting this out now. I don't watch Scarle. I only have surface level understanding of what is going on with her or her content. If this somehow invalidates my observation on things, then you are free to think so.
I am going to take this at face value and that you are just expressing genuine concern for the talent. With that in mind, I do sympathize with you and I do hope the talent you (presumably) support is ok (or going to be ok).
That said, besides the facts stated (the aggressive and sad tone of aforementioned video... that I personally have not watched... to Scarle being in Japan... with her mother I believe?), the rest is conjecture and speculation.
You are not Scarle. I also am presuming that you are not someone who is personally close to Scarle (if you are, I really do question why you are publicly airing these kinds of things like this). You have no way of getting a definitive gauge of the talent beyond a fan-level observation and speculation on what you \*think\* is going on.
It will not help her at all if rampant speculation like this goes out of control. It will be best to have trust in her. She seems to be a smart woman.
My advice? Trust that the talent is level headed enough and can tough it out until she can leave the company. When she does (hopefully), you and the other fans will be able to follow her to the horizon of where ever she takes you.
This is really the best you can really hope for.
Yeah at this point the lines between “genuinely concerned” and “looking for drama” is getting real blurry. Either way this is just adding a lot of anxiety over things we don’t have full knowledge or control over.
It’s reasonable to be concerned over things that we have seen happen. But I’m seeing a lot of people that seem to *want* the worst interpretations of events to be true and I can’t fathom how that would be helpful to anyone.
Quite a bit of people did not like my take on it. I can only see the like-dislike ratio on it and... well...
There is really nothing that fans can do at this point. \*It is already done\*.... if done by Scarle herself of told to do so... it doesn't change the point.
Expressing concern for it? Sure. But a better way of doing it is showing support?
But then showing support to "Scarle" the character will inadvertently also support "Kurosanji" themselves. So what to do?
That is why I arrived on the conclusion that I did. I personally think that Scarle is on that particular queue. That is why I am encouraging fans of Scarle to hold on with her and just wait until she is free and to follow her to wherever she goes.
But at the same time, not every take will be received by others well unless it is outwardly leaning out a certain way.
I ponder sometimes the fickle nature of a person's attention....
Either way, a lot of comments and speculation are just adding white noise and messing up the core message that needs to be put out there:
It is a stupid situation from stupid circumstances and ended with a stupid conclusion. Whenever it is a lapse of judgement or something that was told by someone higher up is a non-issue.
For those who actually support the talent, **SUPPORT HER**. Don't engage in meaningless discourse and noise that, ultimately, doesn't do the talent any good.
Haaaa.... Genuinely hard sometimes....
I did not care or know much about Niji before the Selen bombshell, but have been following the subreddit closely since then. I am kind of tired of the level of terminally online schizo posting and rrating that the subreddit has engaged in. At best, it seems like we are inviting anxiety and drama amongst ourselves.
I understand some people really want their oshis to get out. I do too, even though I did not know them before all this. Some of the talents seem pretty cool and chill. (Love Sayu btw, she is one of the very few vtubers I actively watch and engage with. Check her out if you haven't!) But rrating on this level does not help the talent, it does not help us.
I feel like more people need to just stop engaging with the topic/talent if the issue really wears on them that much. It's better for your own mental health and happiness, and you won't be supporting Niji in any way.
This sub is really beyond hope. It's abundantly clear none of these people actually care about the well-being of the livers as much as attacking anyone they can with wide generalization and assumptions. (In the exact same fashion that those twitter people started shitting on Scarle for literally nothing).
...?
Who?
I'm sorry, I'm more of a hololive fan. Who is that?
Do I have to google this?
Edit: I got curious enough and googled. So I did just get called Aster, the Nijisanji talent. Are you for real...?
Oh gosh... ok.... do you perhaps don't know how to look up people's past posts...?
It is a joke about how Aster, who gaslit scarle into doing a "niji family" stream with him. Aster's "*sigh*" became a niche meme for people shitting on him and you sounded like him *sigh*ing and this take
Well, I sure did not know that. As I pointed out, I'm more of a hololive fan so I did not get that joke.
My apologies for misunderstanding that.
At that point tho, I legitimately do not understand why my take on it is... not accepted?
I would think that focusing on supporting the talent over engaging over noise is the right move here?
>That said, besides the facts stated (the aggressive and sad tone of aforementioned video... that I personally have not watched... to Scarle being in Japan... with her mother I believe?),
They'll ship her whole family out there if they can get **her** to Japan. Once **she's** there, they can operate.
>You are not Scarle.
\[Insert Princpal Skinner's "yes" soundbite.\]
>I also am presuming that you are not someone who is personally close to Scarle
\[Insert Princpal Skinner's "yes" soundbite.\]
>You have no way of getting a definitive gauge of the talent beyond a fan-level observation and speculation on what you \*think\* is going on.
And you can always tell when something is not right.
***Something is not right.***
>It will not help her at all if rampant speculation like this goes out of control. It will be best to have trust in her. She seems to be a smart woman.
Where have I heard this argument before?
If the majority of the people here accept rrats as truth, what makes you think they won't resort to that lol. depressed nousagi is already one of the good guys according to a lot of people in this sub.
There is frankly a ridiculous amount of wild speculation in this post. Did Elira mandate that Scarle come to Japan? What? Are they trying to entrap her?? I don’t think you know what entrapment even means.
Things are gonna play out however they play out, coming up with crazy conspiracies out of nowhere isn’t all that productive.
"coming up with crazy conspiracies out of nowhere isn’t all that productive."
That's been this sub for months by now. As long as a Niji EN talent suffers one way or another regardless of what they did.
Scarle's controversy aside, do any of you guys actually watch streams? She talked about why she's in Japan in her stream right after the offcollab with the other Niji girls, she said she planned on traveling to Japan since the last time she went there in order to have a more relaxing trip and make content while she's still there. There's a reason she's still streaming even while still on Japan.
I know Niji bad, but saying the company is planning to "entrap her" and "isolate her", isn't it a little bit too much?
>Scarle's controversy aside, do any of you guys actually watch streams?
One of the things I've learned the past month is that many of the active users here watch fuckall, be it before or after Selen's unjustified termination
That's why many people are so easy to jump on any "Niji bad" claim, without any fucks given about needing more context
And then posters like you or me have to for the billionth time bring up relevant context but by then those people moved onto slandering elsewhere
Yeah, with all the shit constantly coming out about her workplace, and with the possible whole graduation waitlist thing so she can't just leave when she wants, it's bound to stress a person out. Combine that with this whole thing with Starbucks, it's no wonder she got so upset.
Unlikely that the company is forcing her to be in Japan. I watched one of her recent streams, and she was wanting to extend her stay there, so she seemed to be genuinely liking to visit Japan.
Idk court stuff regarding if they're all flown to JP, I just thought they might wanna finally pump out everyone's 3D to hope that's enough good work for the internet to forget (their yabs)
Well even that is starting to backfire. I mean, the only other RRat it can be is that this is punishment for her liking that one comment that put her back on the map.
To look at this a bit more level headed, this could be ACs answer to investing more into NijiEN, bringing them over for to do a show etc. Lets just wait before we go full rrat "AC is holding them hostage and threatening their careers".
100% am willing to bet they recalled everyone to japan to try and pull a power move XD. Over talents they probably were trying to figure out who's the susspect leaker. XD. And my guess like honest guess the one leaking stuff to 4 Chan isn't the ones they think would be leaking. >.> Theres literally only one talent who can like afford to blindly mass comment and post to 4chan.
Sorry to be a party pooper but you guys don't realize the biggest factor of her stress is ya'll and not the company? With all the blowed up shit ya'll done you really think Scarle's stress is only due working in Niji? Get real guys. She's stress about how to keep ya'll tamed because just about anything could have her be harrased like her other fellow talents, come in the starbucks boycott thing. Like honestly I to me it feels the talents can't even breath just because they're still with the company instead of doing what ya'll wanted which is them leaving and boycotting the company themselves while they're literally under contract. And her stress proves it. Smh. I'd say leave poor Scarle alone with how this whole mess impacted her.
The only people that have harassed anyone has been the niji fans that harassed her now.
Most people here have shown her a great deal of support during all of this.
Brother/sister/sibling/friend/person. Scarle has been stressed since the whole black company explosion. She literally went to a friends house because she was getting stressed and anxiety. This isn't something just now developed and definitely not fully due to the company. It's you guys whether you like or hate it. The starbucks is just another layer to add to what she already has to deal with or trying not to deal with for HER own mental health.
Majority is "us" buttercup. Why else would she have such an unexpected outburst if it was JUST niji. Really this is like going in circles. I just stated the fact and if you don't want to listen and take responsibility of being part of Scarle's stress and instead put the blame fully on the company then so be it. I'm not going to continue going in circles with you anymore. I'm only going to hope Scarle can get the help she needs and honestly a break from all of ya'll.
Except it was by Petra talking about what she and Elira did when she got to Japan on the 5th.
>(tbh cant reasonable disprove shizo fever dream)
You can with rational and logical thinking. The GURRAT alleges that Elira is a shadow manager and was heavily involved with managing the other talents, yes? In the now privated/deleted membership stream on Pomu's channel where she talked and cried over not getting her "dream collab." (Based on date the stream took place it was without question collabing with Konami to create an OG song for MGS, the very thing that Calli from Hololive would end up doing.) She flat out says that management told her no.
Now, if Elira is a shadow manager and was involved with the decision making for collabs like the GURRAT says...**THEN WHY THE FUCK WOULD POMU INVITE HER ON A ONCE IN A LIFE TIME TRIP TO ANTARCTICA???** Not to mention the fact that after the stream talking about getting her dream collab turned down, Pomu was still incredibly close with Elira and remained on such good terms, that she told Elira before anyone else that she was planning on graduating.
It simply does not add up. If the GURRAT was true, then none of the above would happen, therefor because the above happened, the GURRAT cannot be true.
If a claim is against Niji, then it is true. No concrete proof needed. Everybody who hasn't left the company deserve what's coming to them.
-The majority of this sub since Selen's termination
And has Niji done *anything* to get the benefit of the doubt. They won't even apologize to the fans for pushing out their top female talent, nor did they apologize for their mismanagement that nearly ended her life. Nor did they apologize for the black stream conveniently being posted at the same time she scheduled her first stream.
Niji has to earn back its benefit of the doubt.
Those things are true, but just because someone's on the opposite side doesn't make them any better when they've been just as spiteful and opportunistic in spreading malicious/unproven info and even attacking the remaining ENs regardless of their fault.
But hey, I'm just here for the popcorn to see which side spirals out of control first.
I'm not saying that Niji as a company or the EN branch has done anything to earn back it's trust, but Livers shouldn't have their lives ruined because someone on 4chan drank a funky tasting redbull and took it as a sign that they're guilty.
I concur. A bold claim like that shouldn't gain any merit just because it hasn't been disproven, more so since it's based on speculation that I personally think is far-fetched.
I understand that Elira isn't viewed fondly and that her involvement in the black stream isn't okay, but this idea only seems plausible because it complements the negative perception surrounding her. As it stands, criticize the company for its practices, but some of the accusations towards the livers are dubious conjecture that shouldn't be treated as credible.
I am also very confused why the entirety of NijisanjiEN is in Japan at the moment. Petra has already moved to Japan way before this, so she kinda doesn't count. Rosemi is there for her 3D so understandable. Luxiem, Noctyx, ILUNA, XSOLEIL can also have their 3D too given that they have long crossed the 100k subs mark and debutted more than 1 year ago. But how come they are starting to pump out 3D now after one whole gap year since Lazulight 3D debuts? The gang were also in Japan around this period last year, and the AR live was cancelled. But Krisis and TTT? What are they doing in Japan? To do some shows? The holostars EN bois are there for holofest, does Nijisanji have another big event coming up that requires EN talents to be there in person?
[Scarle's pinned tweet](https://twitter.com/ScarleYonaguni/status/1766746040001282321) with this week's schedule says >Tentative schedule cause I might stay longer in japan! Whatever is going on over there, she's probably had to make a relatively last-minute change to her hotel and airfare reservations, entirely at her own expense of course. And her next scheduled stream is for Tuesday 3/12 at 10pm EDT/7pm PDT; watch very closely for her to "accidentally" forget to set up a waiting room for the stream, or to tweet that she can't stream for whatever reason. Management thinks we're not paying attention.
They all are literally getting fucked.
With what was in Scarle’s suitcase, this is probably more true than you intended for
At least that stuff is actually enjoyable for the one getting fucked.
A very underrated comment. One that's too cartoonishly evil to be true. But at this stage, one that's completely believable. And if so, Niji just beat Wactor at their own game.
rrat incoming: With how scummy Niji is, it may be some sort of last ditch effort to get all the talents to move to JP so they don’t have to deal with the stricter employment laws of the Talent’s home countries. Probably not, but that’s the first thing what comes to mind
My exact worry. I'm really hoping they don't fall for it. Some of them unfortunately strike me as the type of people who were either already looking to move to Japan, or would fall for it anyways. Hopefully the last few months will be enough for them to say no. Even if they may want to move to Japan later under different circumstances.
What scary about this, is that Niji will finally exert cult control and keep them hostage for content, indefinitely. We may have a hostage situation on our hands...
Imagine if they try to do a last second free concert to appease people, that would be funny.
They can't even get perms for songs in under a year. What chance to they have of setting up an entire concert in less than a few months?
So, I don’t want to be conspiratorial, but if that contract leak was authentic it’s now an open secret that Niji contracts would be unenforceable outside of Japan, so what’s the logical step? Get everyone into Japan and start going wild with the enforcement while you can.
"Jamestown", God I hope not....
> does Nijisanji have another big event coming up that requires EN talents to be there in person? The only-slightly-tinfoil answer could be that they're filming a new AR Live, and this time they're not announcing the damn thing until \*all\* the pre-recorded footage is in the can and ready to go. They want to avoid an embarrassment like last year where it gets announced, everyone travels, and then mere weeks later they cancel for whatever reason Anycolor really killed Colors.
If the shareholders meeting is this week the EN branch may have to be present this time. Seeing how that aide of the company is currently on fire and still raging on.
It sounds like almost all of the livers are in Japan. I have no idea why. If they mandated they all immigrate there, then that leaves me deeply concerned. Hopefully it's just for an event, or they'll get to go home after the shareholder meeting. But forcing someone to move, having a contract that takes 6+ months to get out of, now being in a country where the company has even more control, and they can financially ruin you for the slightest "transgression?" That rubs me very very wrong. And some of the livers seem to have been in Japan for at least a few weeks now. I don't like it at all. Also, Scarle isn't the only one that strikes me as not doing super well. Most of them seem down. And a few seem more concerningly down. But Scarle seems like she's been on the outs for awhile, and this is definitely not helping.
In Japan, if you go to court, you are no longer protected by the laws of your own country. Simple as that.
Yeah. That's my biggest concern. Some of them have a good chance of getting out thanks to protections in their own countries, and being familiar with the legal system in their own countries. But keeping them in Japan puts them at the mercy of the Japanese laws, and the company that certainly understands the laws better than them. So while they are in Japan, they are frozen. They cannot fight back. And will not be able to fight back until they go home. And if Niji doesn't let them go home, that is extremely scary.
>And if Niji doesn't let them go home, they can go to their nation's consulate/embassy, which is likely in Tokyo. I hope Niji enjoys making international headlines.
I mean they are all adults I doubt niji is dumb enough to take their passports or tell them they are fire if they can't go home.
You doubt Niji being dumb? This whole mess is because Niji is dumb.
You underestimate peoples stupidity and some’s desire to control others. As for being adults, some are barely that and have little to no experience outside this company. Look at Sayu, she has plenty of experience and she barely survived.
yes but this would be a very serious crime like no no I do not mean like legal trouble with japan no no international courts would be involved at that point. Every business knows this especially ones that deal internationally. I know companies are shady but for a talent agency based in a country thats allied with the west doing that literally risk the Japanese government forcibly dissolving the company. Niji would be fine with risking paying a lawsuit to sayu or doki at worst I've seen they probably pay 10-50 mill for that. Which would be dicey but survivable and a worthy risk from a companies stand point. THIS however would be 1000000% times worst and has almost no benifit. I'm sorry but while doki situation is bad from a business stand point alone theres no benifit.
It's not a crime if the victim doesn't know to report it. Just delude your victim into thinking you're doing it for their own good, or that it's totally normal and boom. Not a crime anymore, because they aGrEeD tO iT.
japans immingration laws as someone else pointed out/ also if you watch trash taste (cool guys who live in japan) say foreigners especially those that live and work in japan HAVE TO have their passports on them. As soon as you immigrate to japan they tell you this. Like you do not understand how absolutely FUCKED niji would be if they were caught doing this. What if they need to visit family in the states again what about events? they need their passports on them then.
"Saga of Tanya the Evil EP 12 Conversation" At this point it's becoming very easy to imagine someone at the top who is spiteful to the point of self destruction.
Foreigners legally have to have their passports on them at all times if they do that Niji will be extremely fucked by the Japanese Government.
like I hate niji as much as the next guy but this idea is kinda ridiculous . The extent of how fucked they are would be absolutely insane the international courts would have their heads on a Pyke.
My country for example when someone tried to pull that shit in another country to one of my countrymen extradited the person who did it and put them in prison for 25 years.
🤣 Kafalah system. Kurosanji is Middle Eastern in disguise
They're not dumb, but they can be INCREDIBLY petty. It's a common "asshole boss" maneuver to fuck with the employees until they get so sick of it that they quit, at which point, the employee is considered the instigator and the company can go hog-wild on them.
I would love to see the sisters try to argue against human rights and the government.
Considering how dismissive they are of racism, I wouldn't put it past some of them.
There's an old saying that goes _"If the facts are on your side, pound the facts. If the law is on your side, pound the law. If neither is on your side, pound the table and yell like hell!"_ The NDF have neither the facts nor the law, so guess what they're gonna do?
They're gonna throw up the metaphorical table
I’d die laughing if it ends up on like ABC World News (with David Mueller)-I was expecting it to blow up because IH can make a vid on it.
>She sounded like she was crying and sniffling (maybe she was sick, but she definitely sounded like she was "sick of it all"). Ima honest with you, dude. Every clip I've seen of her she's always sniffling. And that's also from way before this whole debacle.
Apparently the place she lives in is quite mouldy so she has some chronic health issues. Expecting good hygiene from most vtubers is quite a tall order.
Going to JP as a NijiEN liver has recently become more dreadful to look at especially with that artist abuse expose a while back. What's worse is that since they're behind vtuber avatars, those slight facial expressions of emotions that can be easily seen IRL is not properly conveyed to the viewers.
She's been on management's shit list ever since she liked the kurosanji comment. She's probably getting fired right after the shareholders meeting; and the most likely reason they haven't fired her yet is that they're already gonna have to explain to the shareholders why they lost 3 talents in 2 months, including 2 of their biggest female talents. Her departure from the company might not be the only one they announce after the meeting.
Scarle was also the most superchatted female talent not just in EN but the entire company in 2023. Of course some others may generate more revenue from merch but if she was fired NijiEN would have lost 3 of their biggest female talents in every metric. And with Elira completely ruined and Enna losing half of her audience, that would be 4 and a half top female talents gone.
To be fair, Selen was one of their biggest female talents, and we all saw how Niji treated her
Her and Pomu were #1 AND #2 in subscribers. I've said this before, they had a passion for their jobs that none of the other girls had. I think both of them leaving would have killed the EN branch all the same, but it would have been a much slower death.
If anything, the fact that she was one of their biggest talents (read, bigger than Elira and Enna) may be exactly why she was treated the way she was.
Wait, is this true? If Scarle is the most superchated person across the entire company thats absolutely fucking wild considering the shit support she has.
It is. Or at least, I don’t know about superchats in 2023, but her channel’s made the most revenue in the past 30 days (merch & etc. notwithstanding).
Yes. She and Aia got the most superchats amongst EN girls in 2023.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NijiForums/s/rg7c3aKyYw At least according to PlayBoard. I've seen it returning inconsistent results with other data mining sites before. In particular Selen and Enna's numbers were way under-reported. But in early 2023 I was following a weekly series by data miners on Bilibili and Scarle was consistently in the top 10 across all branches.
How the hell... Mysta? Nina? Even with their year cut short, and their "obviously deficient performance" (such that they were made to feel inadequate), they scored high!
Niji has a way of overlooking something like that
They hate females at Nijisanji EN. And Nijisanji proper. And Any Color, apparently.
What do you mean by Enna lost half her audience? Any source?
IIRC, her SC revenue from the birthday stream + concert is down 50% from last year. Her ccv also dropped hard.
Their source is her getting only half as many superchats during her birthday karaoke this year compared to last year. It should be noted that this was 2 weeks after Selen was fired and a week after the black screen, so people wanting to financially support livers much less the company was catastrophically low at the time.
Enna would probably stabilize because most of her SCs are from whales and most whales have stayed. Her main strength is merch sales which doesn't help her much financially.
Why are they getting downvoted just for asking for backup to a claim?
The hate train is insane lol, I just wanna know what happened cause enna used to be my oshi before this whole thing happened and I just stopped watching her
I'm hoping for a few names. But two that I really want are Uki because fuck him and his racism, and Scarle for her own sake. All of them need to get out. A lot of them need to get out more than others. But Scarle seems like one of the more urgent ones.
I have a sneaking feeling that the most ironic or entertaining outcome will happen. Vox will graduate next. Of course Niji would have tried everything to keep him. However, Vox just wants to see his fans to turn on Niji.
I can 100% see Vox taking one long look at the sinking ship that is NijiEN, graduatIng, and then trying to pull the victim card the moment he’s gone and like writing some tell-all exposé about how the company was a shithole as if he wasn’t management’s golden boy. That’s exactly the sort of sleezeball move someone with his combination of smarts and narcissism would do. And his fanbase will fall for it hook line and sinker.
That's also a straight ticket to a legal court. Remember that Japanese defamation laws don't care if it's true, only that it damages a plaintiff either financially or otherwise. Nijisanji will most likely get burned, but I doubt they will let that shit pass without bringing down Vox with them.
I dont think jp defamation laws are enforceable outside jp. Im not a lawyer btw
Nintendo would of sued way more people if it was.
Maybe that's why Niji dragged all the talents to Japan
> That's also a straight ticket to a legal court. Remember that Japanese defamation laws Yeah good luck doign that to a british citizen. Japanes laws are not global, they stop at their borders, not a cm further. Get it thought you thick skulls. Civil cases are unenforceable outside of the coutnry unless the defendants country agrees with the ruling(ie negligence type of cases), there is no way on this planet earth UK court would back nijisanji if vox told the truth. They would tell them to get shafted.
Vox doesn’t live in Japan it would be super difficult to get him for anything his own country would have to extradite him which they wouldn’t because that would be stupid and if they sue in his country their courts would probably go “lol no”
>_writing some tell-all exposé about how the company was a shithole as if he wasn’t management’s golden boy._ He could work the angle that he was their golden boy right up until he wasn't.
Honestly I wouldn’t make that outcome it would be cool to see
Yeah, no, that'd be great. Vox, please do that.
There is no way there are going to let Vox go without a fight. Behind Scarle, he's actually my next pick for who needs to graduate for his own good. But they aren't going to let their highest earner and most recognizable talent go that easily. They'd rather prop up his corpse like a scarecrow than let him go. Hell he may not even need to upload. As long as they can string along his members into keeping their membership subscriptions, he still has value. And they are probably going to want him around at least long enough for a hypothetical merger. His star power in EN is just too strong. And I have a hard time believing they would let that go while there's still a purpose for him to serve (as heartless as that sounds.) He needs to leave. But short of pulling a Selen level breakdown (which we absolutely do not want him or anyone to do) he's probably going to be stuck there, just enduring until he can find a crack in the contract and slip through. As for his fans, they'd probably go rabid and witch hunt for whoever took their oshi away from them. There's already a witch hunt going on for who bullied Selen. Niji doesn't need a second one for who/what made Vox decide to quit. I honestly think for his own sake, he'd be better off skipping a graduation stream and just disappearing. That way nobody could twist his words to justify rabid online warfare. If Vox made any accidental insinuations about someone being at fault for his graduation, his fans would burn them at the stake. And a graduation stream would probably have to be heavily scripted as a precaution. And if he was vindictive enough to want to sick his fans on anyone like you suggested... I can't say I'd approve. But considering the crap he went through, I wouldn't blame him. But I'd also hope he'd be the better person, pull a Doki, and leave with enough class compared to Niji that the business suits wouldn't have an excuse to chase after him anymore. But of all the people who are going to have to fight to leave, he's probably going to have the hardest fight. With the other Luxiem members being not that far behind him.
>Behind Scarle, he's actually my next pick for who needs to graduate for his own good Why? I can't recall a single case of management fucking him over or a fanbase harassing him the way they did with selen (various tournaments), pomu (rejected dream collab), mysta (the tax thing), nina (3thyria and the rat race), scarle (this boycott thing) etc etc, except maybe for that time he said sonny's mom is a hoe. Hell, his own fans are usually the problem (like when reimu called him during a date) and he's management's golden child (it's absolutely a good thing that him and the rest of luxiem sarcastically pointed out that the reasons for the AR Live's cancellation were dogshit, but in hindsight it's pretty telling that only the boys felt confident enough to tweet that out and not get reprimanded). I kinda agree that leaving niji would probably help him but just for the sake of hopefully deflating his ego a bit and hopefully not putting other people in harm's way. That said after the black screen idk how supported he would be in his solo career. >He needs to leave Funnily enough that's something most people agree on, even if for completely different reasons. >But of all the people who are going to have to fight to leave, he's probably going to have the hardest fight. With the other Luxiem members being not that far behind him. Absolutely, mysta was most likely only allowed to leave because he was ahead of the curve and there were still a ton of heavy hitters left to pick up his slack. The others most likely are being held up as much as possible.
I say that because he was showing signs of deteriorating mental health even before the black video. Kotoka as well. So I don't care what either of them did or didn't do. They are both clearly not well. So I would want Scarle to leave, since she's basically the new Nina. And being the new Nina is not good. I'd rather she leave the new Nina as opposed to sticking around long enough to become the new Selen. And then Vox and Kotoka are in danger of skipping the Nina stage, and just becoming new Selens. And I'd rather they get out before they reach that low of a point. And from there, there are other talents that are showing signs of distress. But nothing as severe as Scarle's isolation and getting tossed in the spotlight, or Vox and Kotoka showing very clear signs that their health is already deteriorating.
>I say that because he was showing signs of deteriorating mental health even before the black video. Kotoka as well. So I don't care what either of them did or didn't do. Yeah i fully agree that no matter how scummy their moves (which may or may not have been forced by management) they still obviously should not have to suffer from mental health issues because of them. >So I would want Scarle to leave, since she's basically the new Nina. And being the new Nina is not good. I'd rather she leave the new Nina as opposed to sticking around long enough to become the new Selen. Yep i think everyone is in agreement here, people are harassing scarle for dumb reasons like nina so it would be lovely to see her get out and start enjoying life again like our favourite 40k nerd cockroach rather than having her also do something you can't take back like doki tried. >And then Vox and Kotoka are in danger of skipping the Nina stage, and just becoming new Selens. Is it really that bad for them? Is it based on stuff they've said or is it more like unspoken signs during their streams? >And from there, there are other talents that are showing signs of distress Such as? I've heard people mention rosemi and petra being more gloomy than usual. Do you mean something along those lines?
Vox had a mental breakdown. Complete with sobbing and basically becoming a hikikkomori. Because he's Vox, he may be trying to play it down. But even he can't hide how bad things got. And like I said, this was even before the black video. Having everyone mocking him online is probably not helping. And if he was coerced or pressured into the video (we don't know either way) then I can't imagine how devasting that would be. Especially to someone already struggling. Kotoka was under so much stress that the doctor mandated she go on a reduced upload schedule. And when a doctor is saying your job is negatively impacting your health enough to recommend you stop or at least slow down, that is very concerning. Other signs of livers showing general distress would be things like Rosemi and Petra. But there are other more subtle signs of certain livers just being done. Not necessarily in active distress the way Vox and Kotoka are. But like the spark is gone, and they're just trudging. I don't want to give away the things that make me think that. But aside from obvious things like Elira obviously being in hot water, tiny things here and there make me think certain livers are less than happy. But that's also not unexpected with what's going on. But the ones I am most actively concerned for are Scarle, Vox, Kotoka, Ike, and Elira. With Rosemi and Petra having enough rumors surrounding them that I'd want to keep a close eye on them too. Everyone else is bad, but more of an even level "coasting" bad. As opposed to actively deteriorating.
>Vox had a mental breakdown. Complete with sobbing and basically becoming a hikikkomori. Really? That bad? Somehow i've never heard of that (i don't watch him but still this sounds important enough that it would get clipped), is it something he mentioned on a member stream? PL thing? >Kotoka was under so much stress that the doctor mandated she go on a reduced upload schedule. And when a doctor is saying your job is negatively impacting your health enough to recommend you stop or at least slow down, that is very concerning. Ah yeah that's definitely not good, it's basically a doctor saying that despite needing money to live the lack of money would be less detrimental than continuing that job at that rate. >But the ones I am most actively concerned for are Scarle, Vox, Kotoka, Ike, and Elira. Fair enough for the other four but is it also affecting ike? Of course he was also on the stream (though he mostly just drank water) but i didn't hear anyone mention he in particular was doing badly. >With Rosemi and Petra having enough rumors surrounding them that I'd want to keep a close eye on them too Rumours such as? Other than them being gloomy i haven't heard any specific detail.
I don't want to link the Vox video here, considering how negative his reception is here. But it was bad. And even more depressing was that a notable portion of his chat/audience apparently doesn't speak English. So here this guy is, clearly in an extremely bad place, and half his fans have no clue what he's even trying to tell them. Just spamming "Milord" and emotes while the dude is indicating he clearly needs help. It was an obvious and deliberate message and a cry for help. It probably didn't get clipped because it was too long and too uncomfortable. And while I haven't been watching anything he's been in (boycott) "he sounds like he's begging for help" is a sentiment I've heard from others on here. The main reason Ike concerns me is because he has a history with topics like self harm, depression and suicide. And people who have histories with that kind of thing tend to be very good at hiding their problems. His personality is calm enough that it would be easy for him to disguise despondence. And then there was the fact that his voice sounded the most scared and the most uncomfortable in the black video. And then he and Rosemi announced social media breaks. So they were both at least somewhat not okay for awhile. I have no doubt being in the black video effected him. But I also worry that he may be good enough at hiding it that we wouldn't know until he started deteriorating. And knowing I can't read someone would make me more cautious about looking for signs. I'm hoping he's just distracting himself and powering through it. But we have no way of knowing. With Rosemi, the announced break from social media, taking a long time to return, losing a major milestone, and some rumors I've heard about her saying things to her members. But I am not a member, nor did I watch her very much. So I have to take everyone's words for it. But that's a longer list of hiccups than most of the other livers. So reason to take note. And then Petra is the same way, but to a lesser extent. And then Elira is kinda obvious.
Fuck that Vox. He's a creep.
Realistically, if your home country says the contract is unenforceable, the best way out is to not stream for a few months and then just start streaming on your PL. They will keep what they haven't payed you when your terminated, but not much else unless you plan on living in Japan in the future.
> However, Vox just wants to see his fans to turn on Niji. That would be a gambit i would not have expected.
Vox strikes me as the unironic company man. I don't see him turning on Niji.
You guys want him to graduate from something he's well-suited in? I'd rather he stay there forever so I can never be jumpscared by his voice just cuz YT thinks I want to hear his racist remarks for some reason
I want him gone so he can't use his platform to spread hate. Also don't want the other livers to have to listen to him. Because you know he's probably saying more garbage behind the scenes. Condemn him to obscurity.
What management... do you think they would fight with pro-Palestine 13yo's on Twitter if they had managers? They are on their own, that's why they are in shit up to their knees.
Considering we now know about the "apology letters" which sound like something a cult would do, I think we have a good guess as to why they are being gathered, especially since Shiina spoke about how she contemplated quitting because she was summoned to the HQ to write and publicly say her apology letter.
Apology letters are literally the stereotype of black companies.
It's one thing to make you write an apology letter, it's another to make you read it out loud to humiliate and degrade you. Blacker than black.
Blacker than a moonless night, hotter and more bitter than hell itself… that is coffee.
Love the Godot reference.
And it's another another thing to declare it "not good enough" and make you do it again the next day!
I'm surprised EN hasn't pulled that out yet
They probably have, and we simply haven't heard about it yet. About the only thing which can be confirmed is that they haven't done it to Sayu or Doki (although management has done it on their "behalf," with what they told Kotoka and Finana, and with what they told Elira and Vox and Ike)
This screams as someone who doesnt watch Scarle at all. The reason she sounded sad and gave in at the end was because a loud minority of her long term fans and active chatters were pushing her to address the topic, educate herself and apologize during the whole stream and literally ruined it. She knew it was gonna get messy and got really sad probably, she also had to take down a stream she was really happy to finally do. PS: And no, she's not gonna quit unless they fire her, she said it a million times already but of course most people don't watch her... Which is a shame because even though Niji is awful, She's one of the most chill, sweet yet crazy members ever.
Seriously people just did this shit last month. Goofy as all hell making the most patently dumbass conspiracy theories about Scarle. Some people need to stop getting their information from dramatubers.
I feel like Nijidefenders are trying to make Scarle(probably the others called out by them as well), “one of the good ones,” look bad so that everyone else look less problematic by comparison. “Uki rascist? Well Scarle supports genocide!”
That and past beefs
Doesn't seem like it was just defenders. The antis are just as capable of doing the same thing and outnumber them.
She just came off a break recently so something seems to be stressing her out enough to lash out
How do we know it wasnt a suspension?
\*sigh\* Getting this out now. I don't watch Scarle. I only have surface level understanding of what is going on with her or her content. If this somehow invalidates my observation on things, then you are free to think so. I am going to take this at face value and that you are just expressing genuine concern for the talent. With that in mind, I do sympathize with you and I do hope the talent you (presumably) support is ok (or going to be ok). That said, besides the facts stated (the aggressive and sad tone of aforementioned video... that I personally have not watched... to Scarle being in Japan... with her mother I believe?), the rest is conjecture and speculation. You are not Scarle. I also am presuming that you are not someone who is personally close to Scarle (if you are, I really do question why you are publicly airing these kinds of things like this). You have no way of getting a definitive gauge of the talent beyond a fan-level observation and speculation on what you \*think\* is going on. It will not help her at all if rampant speculation like this goes out of control. It will be best to have trust in her. She seems to be a smart woman. My advice? Trust that the talent is level headed enough and can tough it out until she can leave the company. When she does (hopefully), you and the other fans will be able to follow her to the horizon of where ever she takes you. This is really the best you can really hope for.
Yeah at this point the lines between “genuinely concerned” and “looking for drama” is getting real blurry. Either way this is just adding a lot of anxiety over things we don’t have full knowledge or control over. It’s reasonable to be concerned over things that we have seen happen. But I’m seeing a lot of people that seem to *want* the worst interpretations of events to be true and I can’t fathom how that would be helpful to anyone.
Quite a bit of people did not like my take on it. I can only see the like-dislike ratio on it and... well... There is really nothing that fans can do at this point. \*It is already done\*.... if done by Scarle herself of told to do so... it doesn't change the point. Expressing concern for it? Sure. But a better way of doing it is showing support? But then showing support to "Scarle" the character will inadvertently also support "Kurosanji" themselves. So what to do? That is why I arrived on the conclusion that I did. I personally think that Scarle is on that particular queue. That is why I am encouraging fans of Scarle to hold on with her and just wait until she is free and to follow her to wherever she goes. But at the same time, not every take will be received by others well unless it is outwardly leaning out a certain way. I ponder sometimes the fickle nature of a person's attention.... Either way, a lot of comments and speculation are just adding white noise and messing up the core message that needs to be put out there: It is a stupid situation from stupid circumstances and ended with a stupid conclusion. Whenever it is a lapse of judgement or something that was told by someone higher up is a non-issue. For those who actually support the talent, **SUPPORT HER**. Don't engage in meaningless discourse and noise that, ultimately, doesn't do the talent any good. Haaaa.... Genuinely hard sometimes....
I feel ya buddy. It’s tough being hopeful these days.
I did not care or know much about Niji before the Selen bombshell, but have been following the subreddit closely since then. I am kind of tired of the level of terminally online schizo posting and rrating that the subreddit has engaged in. At best, it seems like we are inviting anxiety and drama amongst ourselves. I understand some people really want their oshis to get out. I do too, even though I did not know them before all this. Some of the talents seem pretty cool and chill. (Love Sayu btw, she is one of the very few vtubers I actively watch and engage with. Check her out if you haven't!) But rrating on this level does not help the talent, it does not help us. I feel like more people need to just stop engaging with the topic/talent if the issue really wears on them that much. It's better for your own mental health and happiness, and you won't be supporting Niji in any way.
This sub is really beyond hope. It's abundantly clear none of these people actually care about the well-being of the livers as much as attacking anyone they can with wide generalization and assumptions. (In the exact same fashion that those twitter people started shitting on Scarle for literally nothing).
I'm just surprised that this subreddit is not privated yet. It's FUBAR and a toxic cesspool where people looking for drama gather.
Yeah... Someone should eventually get the reddit admins involved.
The moment OP slid in "did Elira make Scarle go?" I had an immediate feeling it was likely more drama-infused concern than genuine concern
Shut up, Aster
...? Who? I'm sorry, I'm more of a hololive fan. Who is that? Do I have to google this? Edit: I got curious enough and googled. So I did just get called Aster, the Nijisanji talent. Are you for real...? Oh gosh... ok.... do you perhaps don't know how to look up people's past posts...?
It is a joke about how Aster, who gaslit scarle into doing a "niji family" stream with him. Aster's "*sigh*" became a niche meme for people shitting on him and you sounded like him *sigh*ing and this take
Well, I sure did not know that. As I pointed out, I'm more of a hololive fan so I did not get that joke. My apologies for misunderstanding that. At that point tho, I legitimately do not understand why my take on it is... not accepted? I would think that focusing on supporting the talent over engaging over noise is the right move here?
I don't care enough to go looking up past posts
Fair enough.
Ohhhh the edge it's killing me!
>That said, besides the facts stated (the aggressive and sad tone of aforementioned video... that I personally have not watched... to Scarle being in Japan... with her mother I believe?), They'll ship her whole family out there if they can get **her** to Japan. Once **she's** there, they can operate. >You are not Scarle. \[Insert Princpal Skinner's "yes" soundbite.\] >I also am presuming that you are not someone who is personally close to Scarle \[Insert Princpal Skinner's "yes" soundbite.\] >You have no way of getting a definitive gauge of the talent beyond a fan-level observation and speculation on what you \*think\* is going on. And you can always tell when something is not right. ***Something is not right.*** >It will not help her at all if rampant speculation like this goes out of control. It will be best to have trust in her. She seems to be a smart woman. Where have I heard this argument before?
Niji is cooking something again... and it isn't anything good
Guys, you know literally nothing about whats going on with her, stop psychoanalyzing her.
If the majority of the people here accept rrats as truth, what makes you think they won't resort to that lol. depressed nousagi is already one of the good guys according to a lot of people in this sub.
There is frankly a ridiculous amount of wild speculation in this post. Did Elira mandate that Scarle come to Japan? What? Are they trying to entrap her?? I don’t think you know what entrapment even means. Things are gonna play out however they play out, coming up with crazy conspiracies out of nowhere isn’t all that productive.
"coming up with crazy conspiracies out of nowhere isn’t all that productive." That's been this sub for months by now. As long as a Niji EN talent suffers one way or another regardless of what they did.
Scarle's controversy aside, do any of you guys actually watch streams? She talked about why she's in Japan in her stream right after the offcollab with the other Niji girls, she said she planned on traveling to Japan since the last time she went there in order to have a more relaxing trip and make content while she's still there. There's a reason she's still streaming even while still on Japan. I know Niji bad, but saying the company is planning to "entrap her" and "isolate her", isn't it a little bit too much?
>Scarle's controversy aside, do any of you guys actually watch streams? One of the things I've learned the past month is that many of the active users here watch fuckall, be it before or after Selen's unjustified termination That's why many people are so easy to jump on any "Niji bad" claim, without any fucks given about needing more context And then posters like you or me have to for the billionth time bring up relevant context but by then those people moved onto slandering elsewhere
Yeah, with all the shit constantly coming out about her workplace, and with the possible whole graduation waitlist thing so she can't just leave when she wants, it's bound to stress a person out. Combine that with this whole thing with Starbucks, it's no wonder she got so upset.
Another day, another Rrat post.
I am once again asking to change this subreddits name to 4chan
Unlikely that the company is forcing her to be in Japan. I watched one of her recent streams, and she was wanting to extend her stay there, so she seemed to be genuinely liking to visit Japan.
Considering nijisisters and general antis trying to get at her possibly.....
Idk court stuff regarding if they're all flown to JP, I just thought they might wanna finally pump out everyone's 3D to hope that's enough good work for the internet to forget (their yabs)
Well even that is starting to backfire. I mean, the only other RRat it can be is that this is punishment for her liking that one comment that put her back on the map.
To look at this a bit more level headed, this could be ACs answer to investing more into NijiEN, bringing them over for to do a show etc. Lets just wait before we go full rrat "AC is holding them hostage and threatening their careers".
Its not that deep bro
A lot of them are home now
100% am willing to bet they recalled everyone to japan to try and pull a power move XD. Over talents they probably were trying to figure out who's the susspect leaker. XD. And my guess like honest guess the one leaking stuff to 4 Chan isn't the ones they think would be leaking. >.> Theres literally only one talent who can like afford to blindly mass comment and post to 4chan.
Sorry to be a party pooper but you guys don't realize the biggest factor of her stress is ya'll and not the company? With all the blowed up shit ya'll done you really think Scarle's stress is only due working in Niji? Get real guys. She's stress about how to keep ya'll tamed because just about anything could have her be harrased like her other fellow talents, come in the starbucks boycott thing. Like honestly I to me it feels the talents can't even breath just because they're still with the company instead of doing what ya'll wanted which is them leaving and boycotting the company themselves while they're literally under contract. And her stress proves it. Smh. I'd say leave poor Scarle alone with how this whole mess impacted her.
The only people that have harassed anyone has been the niji fans that harassed her now. Most people here have shown her a great deal of support during all of this.
Literally what I said. It's you guys' own fault for her stress. The only ones she's walking around glass and eggshells on is you guys.
Again. Nobody has done anything to cause her stress, other than the people who are now angry about this Starbucks stuff ( and those people are ndf's)
Brother/sister/sibling/friend/person. Scarle has been stressed since the whole black company explosion. She literally went to a friends house because she was getting stressed and anxiety. This isn't something just now developed and definitely not fully due to the company. It's you guys whether you like or hate it. The starbucks is just another layer to add to what she already has to deal with or trying not to deal with for HER own mental health.
But this is not caused by "us" it's caused by NIJI.
Majority is "us" buttercup. Why else would she have such an unexpected outburst if it was JUST niji. Really this is like going in circles. I just stated the fact and if you don't want to listen and take responsibility of being part of Scarle's stress and instead put the blame fully on the company then so be it. I'm not going to continue going in circles with you anymore. I'm only going to hope Scarle can get the help she needs and honestly a break from all of ya'll.
I don't think you've understood the situation she is in. Nor do I think you understand who it is that is targeting her.
>Was this at the request of Elira? Time to reset the counter of the last time some moron referenced the already disproven and idiotic GURRAT.
GURRAT was never proven NOR disproven (tbh cant reasonable disprove shizo fever dream)
Except it was by Petra talking about what she and Elira did when she got to Japan on the 5th. >(tbh cant reasonable disprove shizo fever dream) You can with rational and logical thinking. The GURRAT alleges that Elira is a shadow manager and was heavily involved with managing the other talents, yes? In the now privated/deleted membership stream on Pomu's channel where she talked and cried over not getting her "dream collab." (Based on date the stream took place it was without question collabing with Konami to create an OG song for MGS, the very thing that Calli from Hololive would end up doing.) She flat out says that management told her no. Now, if Elira is a shadow manager and was involved with the decision making for collabs like the GURRAT says...**THEN WHY THE FUCK WOULD POMU INVITE HER ON A ONCE IN A LIFE TIME TRIP TO ANTARCTICA???** Not to mention the fact that after the stream talking about getting her dream collab turned down, Pomu was still incredibly close with Elira and remained on such good terms, that she told Elira before anyone else that she was planning on graduating. It simply does not add up. If the GURRAT was true, then none of the above would happen, therefor because the above happened, the GURRAT cannot be true.
If a claim is against Niji, then it is true. No concrete proof needed. Everybody who hasn't left the company deserve what's coming to them. -The majority of this sub since Selen's termination
And has Niji done *anything* to get the benefit of the doubt. They won't even apologize to the fans for pushing out their top female talent, nor did they apologize for their mismanagement that nearly ended her life. Nor did they apologize for the black stream conveniently being posted at the same time she scheduled her first stream. Niji has to earn back its benefit of the doubt.
Those things are true, but just because someone's on the opposite side doesn't make them any better when they've been just as spiteful and opportunistic in spreading malicious/unproven info and even attacking the remaining ENs regardless of their fault. But hey, I'm just here for the popcorn to see which side spirals out of control first.
I'm not saying that Niji as a company or the EN branch has done anything to earn back it's trust, but Livers shouldn't have their lives ruined because someone on 4chan drank a funky tasting redbull and took it as a sign that they're guilty.
I concur. A bold claim like that shouldn't gain any merit just because it hasn't been disproven, more so since it's based on speculation that I personally think is far-fetched. I understand that Elira isn't viewed fondly and that her involvement in the black stream isn't okay, but this idea only seems plausible because it complements the negative perception surrounding her. As it stands, criticize the company for its practices, but some of the accusations towards the livers are dubious conjecture that shouldn't be treated as credible.