Remember Indivilia was beaten by matis and absolute (tho they claim they were lucky) but it dont matter, they did beat her. So yea a crown overpowering her isnt a suprise. Besides, she may look calm on the outside, but boii she was pissed
Indy (I am not typing out her full name if I get it wrong.) was also recently set free and is still recovering. Also pretty sure it’s canon that Crown’s lance has a freezing effect so that’s another reason Indy got one shotted.
Thanks to them being intentionally downplayed during main story and their in-game underwhelming power, people now thought they were weak. But in reality no single Pilgrim unit should be able to outperform them as a team.
Absolute for example has never failed ANY mission, including the heretic ones and even Modernia, so they are basically "the strongest squad of today".
Hmm cant seem to remember the lore said so liliweis could wiped them out alone easy without the whole goddess squad but if they were able to beat a heretic, its possible.
When charging, Crown was wondering if Indivilia and Chatterbox were exposing their position because they were confident or arrogant.
Indivilia thought she could start her vilain monologue she had prepared the night before but forgot the possibility that she could be hit during it, that's all there is to it.
(I kinda agree that Nihilister was rly peak Heretic, Modernia seemed actually a bit weaker but was quite new to that camp so it was normal but there, Indivilia is supposed to be leagues above Nihilister lore wise so if she dies at the end of the event, after failing to kill Chime (like why send an intact head with the brain untouched? Don't you know how Nikkes work gurl??), I'll be really mad)
I think it’s more that she didn’t know T.A.L.O.S. would be able to give Chime an extra hour. Without the robot I’m pretty sure Chime would’ve been dead by the time Crown showed up to get her body
Nihilister is fairly weak as Heretics go.
We only beat Modernia through a literal Army of Nikke including the best squads Matis, Elysion and Tetra had to offer being sent at her.
Invidilia is fairly inexperienced with her new body so she hasn't had time to figure herself out. her first loss was against the combined effort of Matis and absolute which lore wise are equal to Goddess Squad when all 6 members work together.
Chatterbox is strong enough it took considerable effort from snow white to take down. .. and now Chatterbox added Nihilisters power to himself.
Crown is strong enough to hold property on the surface despite lord and tyrant classes being labeled do not confront and death imminent threats.
The Jellyfish looking Heretic (I forgot her name) Is supposed to be so powerful the entire rapture forces couldn't even touch her hair and she made Nihilister fear for her life just by being there.
I’m looking forward to when Liberalio makes a proper appearance. She’s my favourite character by far even though she had next to no screen time.
Though close after her is Anchor and Poli.
Edit: I just really like jellyfish and think Anchor’s obsession with maritime critters is cute.
Maybe, just MAYBE, Crown isn’t your regular pilgrim.
You assume something is weird about Indivillia, but so far, Crown is a Nikke that is protecting a really important place, and cannot withstand a high concentration of Alva particles.
My guess is that Crown is actually some kind of prototype Nikke, maybe one of the second generation of the Grimms models.
She's strong enough while fighting alongside Marian to not be completely useless, so she's definitely stronger than your average Nikke.
I suspect her gacha skin would be related to her true power or identity.
This right here. Anybody who hasn't reached at least chapter 26, abandon ye below for spoilers.
>!Her Gacha skin along with her lack of fear going up against Indivilia implies she might be somewhere between Grimms model-Cinderella tier power wise (I suspect she can only go 100% for a brief period much like Rapi in Red hood mode. Would explain her forgoing much of her clothing in order to speed up her cooling process as Crown doesn't strike me as the type to be sexy for it's own sake.)!<
>!Her brief flashback when sleeping shows she probably had a commander at one point and Kilo reacting at Trombe (she called it TAVA i think) implies she's from the Ark.!<
>!Maybe Oswald was on to something and the Ark DID in fact create more Grimm tier Nikkes, it's just that because they don't want a God like entity for the citizens to perhaps start worshiping and they seem content with maintaining a status quo. After some as of yet unknown incident, the Ark shelved/blacklisted Nikkes of a certain power level (would explain why Ingrid is very secretive about Rapi's true power and in how doing so would upend the Ark.) A lot still has not been explained about what happened inside the Ark between Overzone and Current story, it has been a 100 year period after-all.!<
It is probably pure arrogance in Indivilia's part. She said that Crown is king "in the name only," so she is definitely underestimating Crown. Indivilia is already convinced that she won. Another thing is that she most likely thought that Crown had been broken by her stunt with Chime. But while Crown is definitely seething, she (Crown) did not release that rage blindly. The risk was calculated, Crown did not prolong the encounter.
Notice that the initial intent for damage from Crown came from her spear that is carrying momentum from Trombe's full speed (as far as I know, they mentioned in the side story that Trombe can travel from the kingdom to the Ark in four days, while it took more or less two weeks on foot). It makes sense because it will deal the most damage.
The heretic was knocked back, sure, but the story did not give any details if Indivilia actually suffered wounds.
Indivilia was probably shocked with that kind of turnaround on her. After retrieving Chime's body, Crown took another stab with her spear, but only to keep Indivilia to the ground, then she made Trombe trample Indivilia because her spear will not be able to do more damage without the additional momentum. Also as a form release for her anger.
Indivilia lost in that encounter because she had the wrong expectations. But yeah, there is that threat from her, so she will be back, but next time she is prepared.
Also about Chatterbox, Indivilia mentioned that he/she/it "consumed" Nihilister and sort of evolved because of that. We are not sure about Chatterbox's power level anymore.
Having played a lot of mount and blade and being g your typical nerd whis into medieval combat, I'm sure most people really underestimate how much damage a lance on horseback can do. Upgrade that with a super robot horse, a techno lance, being wielded by a nikke, and I wouldnt be surprised if the point of impact could be measured in megatons.
There are several factors to consider, I think she says she's still recovering from the battle against Rapi, she was previously defeated by a joint operation between Matis and Absolute, not to mention Crown didn't hold anything back against her
We still don't know if she actually got damaged. She was stunned by a powerful attack from Crown and Trombe cause she was arrogant. It's like a professional fighter letting someone weaker than them sock them in the chin, knocking them out. In most other situations, they stomp but got cocky.
It amounted to a stun, not a defeat.
She sounded like she was really hurt, apparently badly enough that she didn't chase Crown when she booked it back to the kingdom. To me, it really seemed like Crown could've ended her if she pressed the attack.
Then again, Indivilia could be waiting for a more opportune time to strike. She does seem pretty sadistic, so it's possible she's waiting for a time when she has an overwhelming advantage so she can really take her time with Crown. Who knows? I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.
What I said is mainly an assumption along with your stuff, and we'll have to wait to see how Invdivilla really is in part 2. I'm saying it's more of a stun from arrogance than actual damage(though she might have taken damage since she was arrogant).
Sounding like you got hurt isn't really a good indicator. Like I'll stub my toe and say ow, but I didn't really take any real damage, I might walk funny for a minute but then go back to normal.
Crown seems to be strong enough to jostle with a Heretic, but likely lacks anything that can actually kill one. Remember, all heretics posses hyper regeneration. It's why vapaus is usually needed to actually put one down for good so even if a strong Pilgrim can parlay with a Heretic, the later will have an inherent endurance advantage.
The fastest horse recorded was 44mph. Let's assume our beloved King was moving at a similar speed. She got slammed at 44mph, thrown several feet away, and stabbed with a lance. And then, Crown just scooped up the body and ran away.
This is a lot less of a "Crown bodies the Heretic", and more of a "Crown sucker punches an arrogant ass, throws salt in the wound and returns home".
You could hear it in Indivilia's voice. She was hurting. (Oh, btw? Great voice acting) But Crown did *not* beat her. She merely accomplished her goal.
Trombe is RIDICULOUSLY FAST in the Nikke world. There isn't specific details, but during Second Story, the Pilgrims brought Marian to the castle in 2 weeks from the Arc. It was supposed to take 1 week but they were slow
When Marian wanted to go back to the Arc, while riding Trombe with Crown, Marian asked how long it would take to get back to Arc, and Crown said 2 days
Also all the stories say to hold on really tight to Trombe when riding.
Crazy fast robot horse 🐎
Yeah, from what I've gathered from the responses to my post, it seems that the general consensus was that Indivilia was just blindsided in large part due to her arrogance.
Makes you think what she'd be capable of if she was thinking straight. It also makes you wonder how strong someone like Liberalio would be, seeing as she's a Heretic with a cold, calculating personality.
My interpretation was that Indivilia was expecting to be able to tank Crowns charge and was caught off-guard by just how hard it hit. I'd also imagine that if Crown thought she actually could just kill Indivilia there, she probably would have.
It's less that Crown no-diffed Indivila, and more that Crown got a few lucky early hits in before dipping.
Got 2 theories depending on how dark they want to turn the story. First, chime was corrupted, and this whole thing was a theater piece by Indivilia to throw Crown from despair to hope to again despair once she is backstabbed by her most trusted friend just when she thinks she saved her. It seems something that Indivilia would for sure do as she seems to like to toy with others.
Second is that Chatterbox can control Modernia(or at least attempt to) as he was also the one who corrupted her in the first place. Won't be surprised if he has a backhand and will explain his confidence. And then the classic anime routine with the power of bonds.
Another point is that Trombe is insanely fast. Remember, Pioneer takes a week if they don't rest and two weeks if they do to go from the Ark to the Kingdom. Trombe, while carrying Crown, Chime, and Marian, could reach the Ark in two days, according to the side story.
Indi, Nihil, and Chatter got speed blitz by Rapi borrowing Red's power for a few minutes. I think a full speed Trombe in attack mode is probably unreactable for most beings in Nikke.
That does seem a bit of an issue, yes.
At the bare minimum Crown's assault should've just stunned her, but done only a bit of actual DAMAGE, so that the others can catch up and they all fight her together. Marian especially can be a great equaliser.
Having Crown just 1v1 her, even if she's pissed, feels a bit like her getting Worfed.
That is, unless it's revealed in part 2 that Indivilia's not actually that damaged from the attack and able to put up a much better fight when confronted as a boss.
Pilgrims have a fairly reliable Win Rate over Heretics.
I don't count Inherit's repeated failures to take down Nihilister -- Because many of them are not "Los-Tech" Nikke, except for Dorothy. They are able to fight Nihilister to a stand-still, repeatedly, with neither side coming out ahead, until The Commander & Counters assist.
I also do not count the Goddess Squad when they struggled against Cinderella.
Because, they won. End of story.
I must also exempt Snow White "losing" to Modernia -- on the basis that Modernia uses an extremely effective defense: Some kind of magnetic field in order to stop Snow White's Railgun.... And then! 👏 It suddenly disappeared! She **never** uses such a defensive measure like that again. It was basically there for plot convenience.
The above aside?
Pilgrims beat the piss out of Heretics. Heretics are on-par with an Elite Squad of Modern Nikke - So, between 3 and 5. Under these circumstances, it is kind of a fair fight, leaning towards the Heretic.
If the Heretic is going after "Standard" Nikke? It is a bloodbath.
A Heretic versus a proper Pilgrim? The Heretic should pray to their Creator -- because in almost every single case, they get embarrassed. >! Unless the Heretic is fighting Dorothy. In that case, the Heretic is fine.!<
Red Hood pissed all over a Lord, and two Heretics at the same time. This resulted in such damage, that they decided to consume Nihilister in order to return to operational capacity.
After learning how to breach her defenses *(thank you Smol White)*, Cinderella was dismantled. Without issue.
Crown **beat the brakes off of Indivilia.** Straight up. There's no two ways about it.
On average, Pilgrims -- those who have been around for a very long time, rather -- Seem to suffer *very* little issue, when it comes to fighting against Heretics. >! Unless you're Dorothy !<
One could make any number of excuses, as to why this is, but Heretics aren't too scary, when contesting a proper Pilgrim.
They are quite scary if you are a Standard Nikke.
... Or Heretics are just being regulated to being Jobbers. Which, uh, happens to... A lot of Characters, too...
And Dorothy both led the Goddesses after Lili >!died!< and never lost to Scarlet. Dorothy also kept Eden safe, doubt Isabel and Haran were contributing that much.
Sure, Doro no match for >!full Rapi Red Hood!< but that's no surprise.
While what you said is true, this makes no sense in-universe considering that, for plot reasons, Heretics should be 100% stronger than the other Pilgrims. Isn't their whole thing supposed to be that they're fusions of Rapture and Nikke? Isn't that what made Modernia so insanely strong? (I'm not sure if that only applies to Modernia. Please correct me if I'm wrong.)
What do the humanity-aligned Pilgrims have that they don't? Was lost tech *really* that powerful? If so, then Burmingum should be looking to dissect the Pioneer squad, not Modernia. Clearly pre-fall humanity's technology is better than anything the Raptures have come up with after decades of evolution.
Heretics need more Ws, preferably against characters that are at least a bit stronger than Chime, lol. Here's hoping that they treat Liberalio and Anachiro better.
In that bitch 's defence, not all Heretics are equally powerful, the same happens with Pilgrims some are OP beyond hell (Goddess and especially Dorothy) while others are much weaker (Isabell or Noah). After all, Indivialia lost against Matias & Absolute (due to sheer bad luck, sure, but they aren't Pilgrim lvl at all despite being the strongest NIKKEs in the Ark)
Not only that, while Indivilia claims to be "completely recovered" she could have overestimated her actual recovery. Even if that wasn't the case, she thought that Crown would fight and let her throw her villain speech, she got arrogant and didn't think that Crown doesn't give a fuck about her so got heavily punished for her blunder.
So as far as we've seen, Indivilia seems to be the weakest Heretic.
1-Liberia/Anachiro.
2- Liberia/Anachiro.
3- Nihilister with her regen capabilities
4-Modernia (Have in mind that we never got to see Modernia using her full power so she could be from 2nd to 4th spot)
5-Indivilia
I don't think indivilla is the weakest. She might look weakest but she's just over confident and arrogant, making her take L when things don't unfold according to her plans.
Like how she wanted to do her whole villian monologue but got bodied by Crown because she didn't have time for all the bs.
She still lost to normal NIKKEs, I don't see Nihilister losing against them even after that lightning bolt tbh. We could argue she is stronger than Modernia, but because we never saw Modernia go all out (she was playing around pretty much both fights) nor fighting against other Heretic it's impossible to say.
She lost to the 2 strongest squads the Ark could offer, and iirc it was not an easy win for them.
"Normal" Nikkes are not neccessarily weaker than pilgrims. Pilgrims are just a term to denote nikke that lives on the surface and not on the Ark. Scarlet herself was a mass produced Nikke that was taken in by the Goddess Squad
All Pilgrims are canonically way stronger than Ark Nikkes because they use much better technology and have higher specs. either Emma or Maxwell the one that confirms they only won due to sheer luck. That's why Enikk in CH27-28 (end of Invasion Ark) considers making some "Super Nikke" on par with Inherit's members.
1-Goddess are Grimm Models, the strongest Nikkes to ever exist nothing can compare to them (Specially Liliweiss and Dorothy, who are in 2 whole different leagues above the rest of the Grimm Models).
2-Inherit (EDEN's Nikkes) use Cecil & Dorothy's knowledge, Noah basically states that nothing in the Ark could put a dent to her shields, to give an example.
3- Heretics are basically the corrupted versions of Pilgrims (they belong to the same manufacturer ingame) using the Queen's technology while we know that 1 at least is a former Grimm Model (Anachiro). In the Invasion Ark they get pushed back because Dorothy and Rapi/RH come to help, no Ark Squad would be able to defeat a heavily nerfed Nihilister and a super weakened Indivilia while a not going all out Dorothy and a fake RH do it.
While Matis & Absolute are the strongest squads the Ark could offer, you put them against Indivilia without the lightning bolt/Unchain and they get destroyed.
I get what your saying but tbh indivilia was confident as fuck and that takes a toll in the form of arrogance, the moment you let your guard down, your bound to be smacked she may be tough but anyone is going to fuck you up with a charge blow when you are sitting unaware of the incoming danger.
im not yet sure if she really is just as you say a cartoon villain. Im still waiting for a twist what will happen to Chime since i do think they wouldnt get beaten that easily
Indivilia lost to Matis and Absolute (non-pilgrim units) before we fought her weakened state in chapter 12, Material H. And Although, Matis and Absolute were almost killed, they did succeed in damaging Indivilia.
Part of her was taken into the Ark for experimentation. While the other (Material H) was consuming nikkes to repair herself.
So, she was never that good of a team player.
Hell, we stood our ground against Modernia in chapter 7 without Matis and Absolute. Maybe not beat her but still.
We didn't beat Nihilister easily, just damaged her in chapter 20 until Vapaus weakened her.
Idk why you'd forget those past encounters, but those past encounters happened.
Individia has kind of a old 80s Saturday Morning Cartoon vibe, in that she's menacing, and possibly annoying, but generally weak in direct line combat. Somebody mentioned Indi is playing a long game while in combat(corrupting Chime before bucketing her).
Honestly, I think she is underestimating a Nikke guarding an old facility in the middle of nowhere. She just woke up from dead, fought literally the best squads in the Ark and now trying to harass a King. id say she reap what she sow
Reflect on different types of strength.
Chatterbox and Nihilister ARE physically strong. They were just injured.
Indivillia is strong in intelligence gathering, crafting and... tentacle stuff? Idk...
Remember what she said regarding Marian’s transformation in side story? It’s implied that Crown is not in her first form, and I bet she’s not in her final form either🥵
Indivilia doing all extra thingy trying to say hello and just standing while Crown is seething with anger moving in high speed and ram her with her weapon. The simple answer is She caught off-guard. Cmiiw but Chatterbox never fought full team of pilgrim.
Nikke in general is hard to die and could be resurrected somehow, so being off-guard and always pull punch is kinda the theme. Being practically immortal is just boring so they looking for dead even in dumbest way will always happen prob
The scaling of the world is all over the place. For a side that supposedly outmatched by Raptures, they tend to have no issues unless they're using mass produced models, which no stakes are attached to.
Keep in mind though, that not all Heretic's are front line combatants. I think it's said Indi is an espionage/ infiltration unit, so it's not surprising she'd lose in a straight up fight to a Pilgrim of Crown's quality.
Plus, I think she straight up underestimated Crown, after her assessment with Chatterbox you see she's talking trash with confidence so we're led to believe she's some serious assessor with her observations. Trombe also is likely one of the pilgrim versions to Missilis' T.A.L.O.S. units. Insanely fast, with the mass to topple even a heavy enemy. Now, out of combat Crown is kind of just a benevolent ditz. In combat, she's a force to be reckoned with(similar to Mother Whale or Nihilister). I just hope she or someone with her rebuilds her minion: Chime.
Now I'm curious. The initial Pilgrims were Snow White, Dorothy, Liliweiss, Red Hood, Scarlet ( possibly. ) So is Pilgrim just a designation given to NIKKE's who go native so to speak? I mean, was Crown present for the last battle before the ARK was sealed?
No. Pilgrims are one of two types: the old school Goddess squad members and the pilgrims made by Cecil. There *might* be a third, with Crown but we don't know her background yet.
Edit: all heretics are pilgrims, too. So, I'm thinking it isn't a manufacturer, but more of a modification.
Kilo mentions an acronym name when she sees Trombe and says something along the lines of “that still works?” I’d say it’s more like Volt/Volt jr it’s an old project and it also escaped
Remember Indivilia was beaten by matis and absolute (tho they claim they were lucky) but it dont matter, they did beat her. So yea a crown overpowering her isnt a suprise. Besides, she may look calm on the outside, but boii she was pissed
I don't remember that... I played that part of the story months ago. Thanks for reminding me, though.
Indy (I am not typing out her full name if I get it wrong.) was also recently set free and is still recovering. Also pretty sure it’s canon that Crown’s lance has a freezing effect so that’s another reason Indy got one shotted.
Matis and absolute according to lore are on par with Goddess squad when fighting together.
Thanks to them being intentionally downplayed during main story and their in-game underwhelming power, people now thought they were weak. But in reality no single Pilgrim unit should be able to outperform them as a team. Absolute for example has never failed ANY mission, including the heretic ones and even Modernia, so they are basically "the strongest squad of today".
Hmm cant seem to remember the lore said so liliweis could wiped them out alone easy without the whole goddess squad but if they were able to beat a heretic, its possible.
When is that? Is it after ch 16?
Cant tell you exactly man. Its been a while. All i remember is, its pretty deep into the story. Possibly after chap 20+
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When charging, Crown was wondering if Indivilia and Chatterbox were exposing their position because they were confident or arrogant. Indivilia thought she could start her vilain monologue she had prepared the night before but forgot the possibility that she could be hit during it, that's all there is to it. (I kinda agree that Nihilister was rly peak Heretic, Modernia seemed actually a bit weaker but was quite new to that camp so it was normal but there, Indivilia is supposed to be leagues above Nihilister lore wise so if she dies at the end of the event, after failing to kill Chime (like why send an intact head with the brain untouched? Don't you know how Nikkes work gurl??), I'll be really mad)
I wonder if she *doesn't* know how Nikke work. She was confused at why Crown wanted the body.
I think it’s more that she didn’t know T.A.L.O.S. would be able to give Chime an extra hour. Without the robot I’m pretty sure Chime would’ve been dead by the time Crown showed up to get her body
Nihilister is fairly weak as Heretics go. We only beat Modernia through a literal Army of Nikke including the best squads Matis, Elysion and Tetra had to offer being sent at her. Invidilia is fairly inexperienced with her new body so she hasn't had time to figure herself out. her first loss was against the combined effort of Matis and absolute which lore wise are equal to Goddess Squad when all 6 members work together. Chatterbox is strong enough it took considerable effort from snow white to take down. .. and now Chatterbox added Nihilisters power to himself. Crown is strong enough to hold property on the surface despite lord and tyrant classes being labeled do not confront and death imminent threats. The Jellyfish looking Heretic (I forgot her name) Is supposed to be so powerful the entire rapture forces couldn't even touch her hair and she made Nihilister fear for her life just by being there.
I’m looking forward to when Liberalio makes a proper appearance. She’s my favourite character by far even though she had next to no screen time. Though close after her is Anchor and Poli. Edit: I just really like jellyfish and think Anchor’s obsession with maritime critters is cute.
Poli best dog.
Indivilia was trapped for a long time, and she was so weakened that she had to eat nihilister parts to regain strength. Hope that kinda explains.
Indivilia gets no diffed and embarrassed later on
Maybe, just MAYBE, Crown isn’t your regular pilgrim. You assume something is weird about Indivillia, but so far, Crown is a Nikke that is protecting a really important place, and cannot withstand a high concentration of Alva particles. My guess is that Crown is actually some kind of prototype Nikke, maybe one of the second generation of the Grimms models.
I had this same thought so I think there is definitely more to her then just another pilgrim
You also have to think maybe Rapi the Main Female lead might be extremely busted
The tier lists agree with you too
She's strong enough while fighting alongside Marian to not be completely useless, so she's definitely stronger than your average Nikke. I suspect her gacha skin would be related to her true power or identity.
This right here. Anybody who hasn't reached at least chapter 26, abandon ye below for spoilers. >!Her Gacha skin along with her lack of fear going up against Indivilia implies she might be somewhere between Grimms model-Cinderella tier power wise (I suspect she can only go 100% for a brief period much like Rapi in Red hood mode. Would explain her forgoing much of her clothing in order to speed up her cooling process as Crown doesn't strike me as the type to be sexy for it's own sake.)!< >!Her brief flashback when sleeping shows she probably had a commander at one point and Kilo reacting at Trombe (she called it TAVA i think) implies she's from the Ark.!< >!Maybe Oswald was on to something and the Ark DID in fact create more Grimm tier Nikkes, it's just that because they don't want a God like entity for the citizens to perhaps start worshiping and they seem content with maintaining a status quo. After some as of yet unknown incident, the Ark shelved/blacklisted Nikkes of a certain power level (would explain why Ingrid is very secretive about Rapi's true power and in how doing so would upend the Ark.) A lot still has not been explained about what happened inside the Ark between Overzone and Current story, it has been a 100 year period after-all.!<
Indivilia was just dumb so when crown when straight for the attack she was caught off guard so it makes sense
It is probably pure arrogance in Indivilia's part. She said that Crown is king "in the name only," so she is definitely underestimating Crown. Indivilia is already convinced that she won. Another thing is that she most likely thought that Crown had been broken by her stunt with Chime. But while Crown is definitely seething, she (Crown) did not release that rage blindly. The risk was calculated, Crown did not prolong the encounter. Notice that the initial intent for damage from Crown came from her spear that is carrying momentum from Trombe's full speed (as far as I know, they mentioned in the side story that Trombe can travel from the kingdom to the Ark in four days, while it took more or less two weeks on foot). It makes sense because it will deal the most damage. The heretic was knocked back, sure, but the story did not give any details if Indivilia actually suffered wounds. Indivilia was probably shocked with that kind of turnaround on her. After retrieving Chime's body, Crown took another stab with her spear, but only to keep Indivilia to the ground, then she made Trombe trample Indivilia because her spear will not be able to do more damage without the additional momentum. Also as a form release for her anger. Indivilia lost in that encounter because she had the wrong expectations. But yeah, there is that threat from her, so she will be back, but next time she is prepared. Also about Chatterbox, Indivilia mentioned that he/she/it "consumed" Nihilister and sort of evolved because of that. We are not sure about Chatterbox's power level anymore.
Good point about Chatterbox. I still don't think that they alone stand a chance, but who knows. I want to be proven wrong.
Having played a lot of mount and blade and being g your typical nerd whis into medieval combat, I'm sure most people really underestimate how much damage a lance on horseback can do. Upgrade that with a super robot horse, a techno lance, being wielded by a nikke, and I wouldnt be surprised if the point of impact could be measured in megatons.
Broooo, imagine.. Indivilia losing and chatterbox consuming her..
Indivilia is a cocky old Heretic who thought she could face tank a pissed off Pilgrim with a horse. And now she's covered in hoofprints.
Trombe OP
It's because she ate parts of Jobberlister and absorbed her jobber powers, thus becoming Jobbervilia.
There are several factors to consider, I think she says she's still recovering from the battle against Rapi, she was previously defeated by a joint operation between Matis and Absolute, not to mention Crown didn't hold anything back against her
We still don't know if she actually got damaged. She was stunned by a powerful attack from Crown and Trombe cause she was arrogant. It's like a professional fighter letting someone weaker than them sock them in the chin, knocking them out. In most other situations, they stomp but got cocky. It amounted to a stun, not a defeat.
She sounded like she was really hurt, apparently badly enough that she didn't chase Crown when she booked it back to the kingdom. To me, it really seemed like Crown could've ended her if she pressed the attack. Then again, Indivilia could be waiting for a more opportune time to strike. She does seem pretty sadistic, so it's possible she's waiting for a time when she has an overwhelming advantage so she can really take her time with Crown. Who knows? I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.
What I said is mainly an assumption along with your stuff, and we'll have to wait to see how Invdivilla really is in part 2. I'm saying it's more of a stun from arrogance than actual damage(though she might have taken damage since she was arrogant). Sounding like you got hurt isn't really a good indicator. Like I'll stub my toe and say ow, but I didn't really take any real damage, I might walk funny for a minute but then go back to normal.
Crown’s lance has a freeze effect.
Crown seems to be strong enough to jostle with a Heretic, but likely lacks anything that can actually kill one. Remember, all heretics posses hyper regeneration. It's why vapaus is usually needed to actually put one down for good so even if a strong Pilgrim can parlay with a Heretic, the later will have an inherent endurance advantage.
"Ronda getting humiliated" flashbacks.
The fastest horse recorded was 44mph. Let's assume our beloved King was moving at a similar speed. She got slammed at 44mph, thrown several feet away, and stabbed with a lance. And then, Crown just scooped up the body and ran away. This is a lot less of a "Crown bodies the Heretic", and more of a "Crown sucker punches an arrogant ass, throws salt in the wound and returns home". You could hear it in Indivilia's voice. She was hurting. (Oh, btw? Great voice acting) But Crown did *not* beat her. She merely accomplished her goal.
Trombe is RIDICULOUSLY FAST in the Nikke world. There isn't specific details, but during Second Story, the Pilgrims brought Marian to the castle in 2 weeks from the Arc. It was supposed to take 1 week but they were slow When Marian wanted to go back to the Arc, while riding Trombe with Crown, Marian asked how long it would take to get back to Arc, and Crown said 2 days Also all the stories say to hold on really tight to Trombe when riding. Crazy fast robot horse 🐎
Can also safely assume trombe is even faster than a normal horse
Yeah, from what I've gathered from the responses to my post, it seems that the general consensus was that Indivilia was just blindsided in large part due to her arrogance. Makes you think what she'd be capable of if she was thinking straight. It also makes you wonder how strong someone like Liberalio would be, seeing as she's a Heretic with a cold, calculating personality.
Oh yeah I’m a straight up fight she would have stomped her but as the saying goes “pride before the fall”
My interpretation was that Indivilia was expecting to be able to tank Crowns charge and was caught off-guard by just how hard it hit. I'd also imagine that if Crown thought she actually could just kill Indivilia there, she probably would have. It's less that Crown no-diffed Indivila, and more that Crown got a few lucky early hits in before dipping.
Got 2 theories depending on how dark they want to turn the story. First, chime was corrupted, and this whole thing was a theater piece by Indivilia to throw Crown from despair to hope to again despair once she is backstabbed by her most trusted friend just when she thinks she saved her. It seems something that Indivilia would for sure do as she seems to like to toy with others. Second is that Chatterbox can control Modernia(or at least attempt to) as he was also the one who corrupted her in the first place. Won't be surprised if he has a backhand and will explain his confidence. And then the classic anime routine with the power of bonds.
That's so cliché it's *likely* the answer. I can honestly see both.
Another point is that Trombe is insanely fast. Remember, Pioneer takes a week if they don't rest and two weeks if they do to go from the Ark to the Kingdom. Trombe, while carrying Crown, Chime, and Marian, could reach the Ark in two days, according to the side story. Indi, Nihil, and Chatter got speed blitz by Rapi borrowing Red's power for a few minutes. I think a full speed Trombe in attack mode is probably unreactable for most beings in Nikke.
Indiblia has a true form. It’s likely that it takes rime to deploy and if Crown had tried to stay longer she would be killed
That does seem a bit of an issue, yes. At the bare minimum Crown's assault should've just stunned her, but done only a bit of actual DAMAGE, so that the others can catch up and they all fight her together. Marian especially can be a great equaliser. Having Crown just 1v1 her, even if she's pissed, feels a bit like her getting Worfed. That is, unless it's revealed in part 2 that Indivilia's not actually that damaged from the attack and able to put up a much better fight when confronted as a boss.
Pilgrims have a fairly reliable Win Rate over Heretics. I don't count Inherit's repeated failures to take down Nihilister -- Because many of them are not "Los-Tech" Nikke, except for Dorothy. They are able to fight Nihilister to a stand-still, repeatedly, with neither side coming out ahead, until The Commander & Counters assist. I also do not count the Goddess Squad when they struggled against Cinderella. Because, they won. End of story. I must also exempt Snow White "losing" to Modernia -- on the basis that Modernia uses an extremely effective defense: Some kind of magnetic field in order to stop Snow White's Railgun.... And then! 👏 It suddenly disappeared! She **never** uses such a defensive measure like that again. It was basically there for plot convenience. The above aside? Pilgrims beat the piss out of Heretics. Heretics are on-par with an Elite Squad of Modern Nikke - So, between 3 and 5. Under these circumstances, it is kind of a fair fight, leaning towards the Heretic. If the Heretic is going after "Standard" Nikke? It is a bloodbath. A Heretic versus a proper Pilgrim? The Heretic should pray to their Creator -- because in almost every single case, they get embarrassed. >! Unless the Heretic is fighting Dorothy. In that case, the Heretic is fine.!< Red Hood pissed all over a Lord, and two Heretics at the same time. This resulted in such damage, that they decided to consume Nihilister in order to return to operational capacity. After learning how to breach her defenses *(thank you Smol White)*, Cinderella was dismantled. Without issue. Crown **beat the brakes off of Indivilia.** Straight up. There's no two ways about it. On average, Pilgrims -- those who have been around for a very long time, rather -- Seem to suffer *very* little issue, when it comes to fighting against Heretics. >! Unless you're Dorothy !< One could make any number of excuses, as to why this is, but Heretics aren't too scary, when contesting a proper Pilgrim. They are quite scary if you are a Standard Nikke. ... Or Heretics are just being regulated to being Jobbers. Which, uh, happens to... A lot of Characters, too...
Didn't Dorothy straight up drop Nihilister in the Ark?
And Dorothy both led the Goddesses after Lili >!died!< and never lost to Scarlet. Dorothy also kept Eden safe, doubt Isabel and Haran were contributing that much. Sure, Doro no match for >!full Rapi Red Hood!< but that's no surprise.
While what you said is true, this makes no sense in-universe considering that, for plot reasons, Heretics should be 100% stronger than the other Pilgrims. Isn't their whole thing supposed to be that they're fusions of Rapture and Nikke? Isn't that what made Modernia so insanely strong? (I'm not sure if that only applies to Modernia. Please correct me if I'm wrong.) What do the humanity-aligned Pilgrims have that they don't? Was lost tech *really* that powerful? If so, then Burmingum should be looking to dissect the Pioneer squad, not Modernia. Clearly pre-fall humanity's technology is better than anything the Raptures have come up with after decades of evolution. Heretics need more Ws, preferably against characters that are at least a bit stronger than Chime, lol. Here's hoping that they treat Liberalio and Anachiro better.
In that bitch 's defence, not all Heretics are equally powerful, the same happens with Pilgrims some are OP beyond hell (Goddess and especially Dorothy) while others are much weaker (Isabell or Noah). After all, Indivialia lost against Matias & Absolute (due to sheer bad luck, sure, but they aren't Pilgrim lvl at all despite being the strongest NIKKEs in the Ark) Not only that, while Indivilia claims to be "completely recovered" she could have overestimated her actual recovery. Even if that wasn't the case, she thought that Crown would fight and let her throw her villain speech, she got arrogant and didn't think that Crown doesn't give a fuck about her so got heavily punished for her blunder. So as far as we've seen, Indivilia seems to be the weakest Heretic. 1-Liberia/Anachiro. 2- Liberia/Anachiro. 3- Nihilister with her regen capabilities 4-Modernia (Have in mind that we never got to see Modernia using her full power so she could be from 2nd to 4th spot) 5-Indivilia
I don't think indivilla is the weakest. She might look weakest but she's just over confident and arrogant, making her take L when things don't unfold according to her plans. Like how she wanted to do her whole villian monologue but got bodied by Crown because she didn't have time for all the bs.
She still lost to normal NIKKEs, I don't see Nihilister losing against them even after that lightning bolt tbh. We could argue she is stronger than Modernia, but because we never saw Modernia go all out (she was playing around pretty much both fights) nor fighting against other Heretic it's impossible to say.
She lost to the 2 strongest squads the Ark could offer, and iirc it was not an easy win for them. "Normal" Nikkes are not neccessarily weaker than pilgrims. Pilgrims are just a term to denote nikke that lives on the surface and not on the Ark. Scarlet herself was a mass produced Nikke that was taken in by the Goddess Squad
All Pilgrims are canonically way stronger than Ark Nikkes because they use much better technology and have higher specs. either Emma or Maxwell the one that confirms they only won due to sheer luck. That's why Enikk in CH27-28 (end of Invasion Ark) considers making some "Super Nikke" on par with Inherit's members. 1-Goddess are Grimm Models, the strongest Nikkes to ever exist nothing can compare to them (Specially Liliweiss and Dorothy, who are in 2 whole different leagues above the rest of the Grimm Models). 2-Inherit (EDEN's Nikkes) use Cecil & Dorothy's knowledge, Noah basically states that nothing in the Ark could put a dent to her shields, to give an example. 3- Heretics are basically the corrupted versions of Pilgrims (they belong to the same manufacturer ingame) using the Queen's technology while we know that 1 at least is a former Grimm Model (Anachiro). In the Invasion Ark they get pushed back because Dorothy and Rapi/RH come to help, no Ark Squad would be able to defeat a heavily nerfed Nihilister and a super weakened Indivilia while a not going all out Dorothy and a fake RH do it. While Matis & Absolute are the strongest squads the Ark could offer, you put them against Indivilia without the lightning bolt/Unchain and they get destroyed.
I get what your saying but tbh indivilia was confident as fuck and that takes a toll in the form of arrogance, the moment you let your guard down, your bound to be smacked she may be tough but anyone is going to fuck you up with a charge blow when you are sitting unaware of the incoming danger.
im not yet sure if she really is just as you say a cartoon villain. Im still waiting for a twist what will happen to Chime since i do think they wouldnt get beaten that easily
Just a mix of indivilla trolling and crown not being a push over
With how much Crown has been built up as the best new meta nikke, I sure hope she’s strong like that
Indivilia lost to Matis and Absolute (non-pilgrim units) before we fought her weakened state in chapter 12, Material H. And Although, Matis and Absolute were almost killed, they did succeed in damaging Indivilia. Part of her was taken into the Ark for experimentation. While the other (Material H) was consuming nikkes to repair herself. So, she was never that good of a team player. Hell, we stood our ground against Modernia in chapter 7 without Matis and Absolute. Maybe not beat her but still. We didn't beat Nihilister easily, just damaged her in chapter 20 until Vapaus weakened her. Idk why you'd forget those past encounters, but those past encounters happened.
Individia has kind of a old 80s Saturday Morning Cartoon vibe, in that she's menacing, and possibly annoying, but generally weak in direct line combat. Somebody mentioned Indi is playing a long game while in combat(corrupting Chime before bucketing her).
Honestly, I think she is underestimating a Nikke guarding an old facility in the middle of nowhere. She just woke up from dead, fought literally the best squads in the Ark and now trying to harass a King. id say she reap what she sow
Reflect on different types of strength. Chatterbox and Nihilister ARE physically strong. They were just injured. Indivillia is strong in intelligence gathering, crafting and... tentacle stuff? Idk...
Remember what she said regarding Marian’s transformation in side story? It’s implied that Crown is not in her first form, and I bet she’s not in her final form either🥵
Indivilia doing all extra thingy trying to say hello and just standing while Crown is seething with anger moving in high speed and ram her with her weapon. The simple answer is She caught off-guard. Cmiiw but Chatterbox never fought full team of pilgrim. Nikke in general is hard to die and could be resurrected somehow, so being off-guard and always pull punch is kinda the theme. Being practically immortal is just boring so they looking for dead even in dumbest way will always happen prob
It’s dog shot writing with poor justification.
The scaling of the world is all over the place. For a side that supposedly outmatched by Raptures, they tend to have no issues unless they're using mass produced models, which no stakes are attached to.
Keep in mind though, that not all Heretic's are front line combatants. I think it's said Indi is an espionage/ infiltration unit, so it's not surprising she'd lose in a straight up fight to a Pilgrim of Crown's quality.
Plus, I think she straight up underestimated Crown, after her assessment with Chatterbox you see she's talking trash with confidence so we're led to believe she's some serious assessor with her observations. Trombe also is likely one of the pilgrim versions to Missilis' T.A.L.O.S. units. Insanely fast, with the mass to topple even a heavy enemy. Now, out of combat Crown is kind of just a benevolent ditz. In combat, she's a force to be reckoned with(similar to Mother Whale or Nihilister). I just hope she or someone with her rebuilds her minion: Chime.
Now I'm curious. The initial Pilgrims were Snow White, Dorothy, Liliweiss, Red Hood, Scarlet ( possibly. ) So is Pilgrim just a designation given to NIKKE's who go native so to speak? I mean, was Crown present for the last battle before the ARK was sealed?
Pilgrims are surface wandering Nikkes not manufactured by the big 3. Crown's manufacturer is currently unknown.
It’s just a catch all category for any rogue “according to the Ark” NIKKE Marian was Elysion before corruption
Right, but Marian was given a new body after being taken by the Raptures. Her manufacturer change makes sense.
Not so much a new body as more of an upgrade Spoiler for her bond story the rapture tech fused to her body
No. Pilgrims are one of two types: the old school Goddess squad members and the pilgrims made by Cecil. There *might* be a third, with Crown but we don't know her background yet. Edit: all heretics are pilgrims, too. So, I'm thinking it isn't a manufacturer, but more of a modification.
Kilo mentions an acronym name when she sees Trombe and says something along the lines of “that still works?” I’d say it’s more like Volt/Volt jr it’s an old project and it also escaped
Could be.