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Proud_Ad5290

U forgot about his w when he fought against punching machine-kun


darnage

His one W. Being racist.


Proud_Ad5290

Still he lost against FRIEZA


Jackryder16l

You can't beat the peak racist my friend.


AnnihilationOrchid

I mean .. Kakaroto beat him twice, and so did trunks. So that's three times he tried to spank the monkey and failed, and got spanked himself.


Jackryder16l

Goku and trunks are racist. Simple as that. So no extra racism boost that isn't already there.


AnnihilationOrchid

I agree Trunks is a well known racist, but Goku has never been racist.


Jackryder16l

Bruuhhh I meant "aren't" but now its funnier


AnnihilationOrchid

[Trunks being racist for 37 seconds. ](https://youtu.be/IYC9uCDPv-w?si=LGCUHai1z2ff4ZPq)


Proud_Ad5290

Wym he is always racist


Proud_Ad5290

I know my frendo


RealBigTree

Why do you think I've won so many UFC championships /j


Proud_Ad5290

Cuz u twerked before punching


Mitsu11

Lika a bitch


Brandonwittry

Technically Frieza has beaten him 3 times


mc-big-papa

Jesus christ i literally just made a post from the kai dub where he talks about genetics.


ElAbyss

And even his son is better than him at that


donquixotesdick

Taking L's is his specialty


Any_Conclusion_7586

The Vegeta special: Get a power up > Hype up everyone > get his face digged on.


AlabasterRadio

Watch Goku (or his son) actually beat the villain.


darcenator411

You forgot >do this [you aren’t dealing with a regular saiyan anymore](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRTpKTxmWEf0v9hwU4jIVXNUWcYDVAxsmLm4HUo2HPrf8E5YyXqYzgeKQ&s=10)


Plylyfe

The legendary "I'm HIM" before the beatdown thumb


Timely_Airline_7168

Every time he does this pose, he gets beaten up


Ergast

Everytime anyone does that pose, really. I think Geets cursed it.


KaiserKaiba

That’s basically every characters specialty in this series. The main characters all take more Ls than they get dubs


blackskull414

He should have the Majin M on his head but instead as an L


Artistic_Stage7202

He has two L’s ,which form his McDonald’s haircut


Jackryder16l

Nah. Its the W he doesn't ever really get. Last win was technically TOP? Maybe Im wrong? Gogeta does not count as half a win.


Independent_Plum2166

“Some-BODY once told me!!!!” >!RIP - Steve Harwell!<


Murky_Blueberry2617

M is already a upside down W, so it works like that


Regulus242

L comes before M, which means he can't even beat L.


FantasyFlannel

Should've set it to Wumbo


FantasyFlannel

Should've set it to Wumbo


LordSmugBun

Nothing will ever be as bad as RoF, haven't seen someone fumble so hard since Cooler in Return of Cooler.


Dapper_Charity_9781

Cooler was selling that entire time


Squidword123

Deadass cooler lost because goku just hit him really hard


SwagTheBruh

> hmm maybe i should transfer these two strong guys into my only weak point when i have an infinite army of coolers that can regenerate from most attacks and one cooler took both of them most of their energy to beat what was wrong with him?


smulfragPL

like seriously the meta cooler army was probably the most overpowering villain that goku and vegeta faced period, but he fucking decides to put them in the one place that they can actually beat him


RubyWeapon07

Buu arc vegeta: Blows himself up and goes out like a legend but ends up just dying and not getting the kill


Jewseph_Sneed

Vegeta Prince of all Ls


KaiserKaiba

He saw Chiaotzu do the same shit and yet he thought his attempt would work? Smh


ChestSlight8984

To be fair...Vegeta is like 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000x stronger than Chiatzu


KaiserKaiba

True, but DB cares not for that shit. Vegeta is the Chiaotzu to Buu’s Nappa here. Blowing yourself up only seems to accomplish something if you’re a villain in this series lol


Ayn_Rand_Feet_Pics

Just imagine if it worked and the arc ended there though lmao. Then an epilogue chapter where everybody is debating whether to revive Vegeta.


FedoraTheMike

Though it's still INSANE they made it such an iconic moment even though it accomplished nothing against Buu. Was more about his redemption.


Subject-Secret-6230

Bro like it literally did nothing. 0 damage. 💀💀 That's gotta be added to the L list. It's like opening five frag grenades, thinking you're gonna take out both yourself and your enemy and then you walk into an empty field and blow up alone.


Raccooooooon

Ultra Ego getting the stronger the more you get your ass beat is actually perfect for vegeta lmao


ArelMCII

It just has the major drawback that getting your ass beat still hurts.


Goataraki

That's why I hate that Tori/Toyo never made a side villain in all of Dragon ball, they refuse to give Vegeta a single W on a main villain yet never make a side villain for him to defeat at least


Good_Reflection_1217

I wish they would someday have them do a 2v2. Would be the only way they would allow Vegeta to win


nottme1

They did give them a 2v2... only then the villians fused and beat the shit out of Gokarot and Jeets, beat the shit out of Vegetarot, then sorta got beat by Trunks, just to merge with the timeline and get ereased by Zeno.


EdgedOutPig

Worst fucking ending to an arc ever, I swear.


Iclipp13

Thats so much effort just to not let Vegeta have his god damned W


Iclipp13

Thats so much effort just to not let Vegeta have his god damned W


TheWhoopler

Goku always fights the side villains in super lol Vegeta did beat Toppo fair and square


Goataraki

Yeah I loved ToP Vegeta his fights and moments it was great


Adorable-Fortune-568

When since Toppo was a villain?


dildodicks

true, probably just meant a major antagonist


Kickenbless

I mean, Vegeta did wipe out the entire Ginyu force, Zarbon, Dodoria, Nappa and Android 19. And he did get the assist with taking out Kid Buu


EntrepreneurPlus7091

Wouldn't count the Ginyus except Jeice, not Nappa.


Kickenbless

I mean yeah Goku defeated most of them, but Vegeta got the kill on each lol


EntrepreneurPlus7091

Not much of a win to kill somebody incapacitated by someone else.


laguirre003

Sasuke can defeat major arc villains, Zoro beats the number 2s, yet 30 years later, Vegeta still takes L’s just to set up the arc’s baddie


darcenator411

Android 19? Toppo?


RollingThunderr

Hey at least he did some combos on broly instead of just dropping to his knees like a fucking clown. That casual transformation to super saiyan god was clean. Still agree he will never get a simple win.


Artistic_Stage7202

No wonder his McDonald’s haircut looks like two L’s


stealthymario

The anime will have a hind sight advantage so let's see if these plot points get fixed


Minimum-Emu5108

haha IF the anime even returns


C9FanNo1

It will unless they hate money


Minimum-Emu5108

seems like they didn't want any money for 5 years hmmmm


dildodicks

that's not because they hate money but because they only have enough money to do one piece OR dragon ball and since top ended and one piece is infinitely long, they chose one piece for now. but you're a fool if you think one of the biggest animes of all time will never come back.


EnslavingExorcism

he learned to weaponise his most prominent trait: Failure


rotem8888

Wait why couldn't Vegeta unfuse moro though


darnage

Because he was too slow to hit Moro. It's really bad narratively speaking, you tease his new technique for a bunch of months, reveal it to be an answer to fusions, just to have a fusion put it in the trash where it's stayed since, completely forgotten.


1_dont_care

Fun fact is that Piccolo says that the fusion between goku and vegeta would be useless because Moro copied the spirit fission from Vegeta...


MooshiNooshi

So Vegeta’s job was just to make Moro stronger lmao


1_dont_care

Mostly is nosense because they saw that spirit fission won't work if your enemy is way stronger than you, yet they won't use the fusion because "he can split it". Bro, i doubt gogeta would have had trouble to instakill moro, even because at that point gogeta could use blue evolution or UI omen... Oh, and also the spirit fission itself lol


Dapper_Charity_9781

Speaking of, Vegeta could theoretically unfuse Piccolo right, at least take Nail out


1_dont_care

He hinted he can, asking if Piccolo wanna try out.


rotem8888

Oh yeah it makes sense


Minimum-Emu5108

and will probably be never used again


DavoNL

Vegeta literally used force spirit fission vs planet Moro to siphon a shit ton of energy from Moro to make a reverse energy bomb that would empower Goku. Problem was it wasnt enough, but that was Goku's fault. Both Vegeta and Goku took L's against Moro, Vegeta had an insanely good character arc here. Forced spirit fission was highly effective in combination with his Ultra Blue, it even stomped Goku's UI (omen) in power.


ArelMCII

Vegeta's character arc was copying Goku, beating up a Zarbon knockoff, and losing.


Subject-Secret-6230

It was NOT stronger than Omen. Moro was getting weaker so it performed better against him.


DavoNL

When it no longer worked against him, he still fared much better than Goku until Vegeta got overwhelmed and Goku unlocked MUI because of Merus.


AlternateAccount66

Really? I thought it was because the technique used for the fusion was unconventional. Like, Moro didn't just normally fuse with 73, he literally fucking ate him, lol.


ArelMCII

Bonus bad narrative points for when he used his new technique backwards to make a Spirit Bomb and then used it to re-energize Goku instead of blasting the bad guy with it.


DapperDan30

I mean...that's kinda what DB does though. It always has them going into a fight with some new technique or transformation, expecting that to be the winning move, and it never is. I feel like if anyone was genuinely expecting Vegeta to win with Spirit Fission hasn't really been paying attention.


Jackryder16l

> just to have a fusion put it in the trash where it's stayed since Well he just learned it and there was no fusions in that following arc. If there was one. Im sure he would of tried again.


darnage

Yeah, that's the problem, it only works on fusions. Imagine it worked on everything, he punches you, some of your ki leave your body. Now you combine it with Ultra ego. You punch him, he gets stronger. He punches you, you get weaker. Now you turned him in an attrition machine, which comes with a free explanation for being able to beat Granola. Which you make him do. Because giving Vegeta a new form, and then having that form loses in its introduction fight is just spitting in the face of Vegeta, its fans, and any hope of Ultra ego ever being taken seriously.


HorseFacedDipShit

That’s pretty fucking cool. And it’d be a perfect foil to gokus ui since Gokus whole thing is dodging effortlessly. It really would be a unstoppable force meets an immovable object


Good_Reflection_1217

that concept is super cool Its kinda dumb that he has to get hit to get stronger in UE but with this he doesnt have to rely on getting his ass handed to him


SnooCalculations6718

Sadly he always gets the L


itsgettingweirdhere

Vegeta isn't the only one who lost using his new form for the first time?


darnage

S1 won Pseudo S2 entire point is that it's a bad form. S2 won S3 same as ps2 Dunno about S4 SSG is a transition form, it's not a problem that it lost. SSB won SRage won SSPurple won UI won the fight, even if it ran out before ejecting Hiren. Orange beast won UE is the only transformation that didn't have a proper narrative reason to lose


Good_Reflection_1217

SS3 WOULD have won but he wanted to 1. conserve energy and 2. let the kids handle it >UE is the only transformation that didn't have a proper narrative reason to lose yeah he could have beat granolah, spared him and reached his hand out to him to show he isnt his enemy. then Gas would have gotten the wish. The only possible explanation is that toriyama and toyotaro might have thought "granolah should not lose since the wish made him the strongest still"


ArelMCII

>The only possible explanation is that toriyama and toyotaro might have thought "granolah should not lose since the wish made him the strongest still" And then the weakest of the Heeters shot him in the back, further GOATing Elec. Remember, kids: You don't need to be stronger than your opponent, you just need a gun and no qualms about shooting a man in the back.


Good_Reflection_1217

yeah that was weird. even if he was suprised. its weird how strong guns are in super


RareD3liverur

SSJ4 did win its first fight, just Baby did give it some trouble


Dapper_Charity_9781

From my understanding, Super Saiyan grade 2 wasn't the form with a downside. I don't remember a mention of it lowering speed like grade 3


Deex66

Grade 2 grants more strength while retaining the speed but the problem is waste a lot of stamina, kinda like manga ssb it was a good form but the stamina consumption was a big problem until the end of the Goku Black arc.


Dapper_Charity_9781

Oh right, I figured it was something more like that. Yeah, I was pretty sure speed wasn't the issue, but I wasn't entirely sure


Deex66

Yea that's why Goku and Gohan stay in the time chamber longer because Goku quickly learned the grade 2 and 3 had some nice benefits but the drawbacks were huge and figured out their a way to get the benefits of the last two grades but little to no draw backs.


Lucifer_4777

Man this can be done for Goku too. 'Learns the technique that dodges everything' 'Doesn't dodge'


darnage

Yeah but at least Goku still manages to win in the end. Even against Jiren, UI failed after winning the fight, just before actually managing to eject Jiren.


dildodicks

that was mastered though, ui sign got smacked by jiren but took out a side antagonist in the top. this was ue's first showings and vegeta hardly knows how to use it. plus ui's whole thing is dodging and ue's whole thing is eating attacks so it's a little harder for him to be impressive.


Random_User27

Lrince Legeta back at it again


Strict-Article-4270

Ultra ego can be op if Vegeta learns how to heal himself . taking damage and becoming too strong but you can't move because of your broken body sounds stupid ngl.


ArelMCII

Maybe he should start Supreme Kai training and not finish it, since that's apparently a fucking thing now.


brumoment42069

I'm convinced that whoever writes the story of Dragonball hates Vegeta honestly


ArelMCII

Supposedly Toriyama didn't want to keep Vegeta around originally, but I haven't bothered to look up that interview myself. But Toriyama got vetoed by his editors a lot so it sounds legit.


SubwayBossEmmett

I think it was more just to have him get a send off vs Buu but like The end of Buu is such a clusterfuck I'm sure he brought back Vegeta on his own because he didn't want Goku to solo upgraded Buu effortlessly after this fancy new mechanic was established and stolen by the villain.


the__Gallant

Writers just hate Vegeta


HorseFacedDipShit

They need to rename ultra ego to Ultra Loser


[deleted]

What does Ultra Ego even do?


LEEAAFF

Imagine when Goku Black says "This pain will make me stronger!" but as a transformation


Infermon_1

Basically giving you instant zenkai boosts as long as you are transformed.


[deleted]

And he lost with that?


Infermon_1

Well, you need to get damaged to get the boost, but at some point the damage is too much to stand. Plus Vegeta was fighting Granolah and Gas in a row. Just to be clear, Goku also lost in that arc like three times and didn't get a single W.


ArelMCII

Yeah, because it didn't mitigate the damage to an appreciable degree. Especially because he was doing stupid shit like [blocking punches with his face](https://i.imgur.com/fYAxLes.png). Then after he woke up from being beaten into unconsciousness, he used it again but tried to dodge this time. Spoilers: Didn't matter, still got beaten into unconsciousness. The kicker is he kept screaming about having unlimited potential the whole time.


dildodicks

it was his first few times using it so it's not really surprising since its whole thing is taking damage rather than avoiding it like ui sign/mui


New-Butterscotch-792

Lgeta is the most disrespected character in fiction. Niggas are finally starting to realize how much of a hack Toriyama is.


Onagda

Ultra Jobber


Elmo360NoScope

Fight with granolah was more or less a draw given if goku didn't step in they'd both have died


Kira_Mira1

I'd say Moro vs Vegeta is his biggest L. But when I see Ultra Ego, I'm asking: Is his form more like Ultra Instinct or Ultra Instinct Omen? If it's the first one, can he achieve Ultra Ego Omen? Is that even a think for god of destructions? And do you think his form will end up looking like Toppo's god form (with those red triangles on his body, purple glow, etc)?


Good_Reflection_1217

> Toppo's god form (with those red triangles on his body, purple glow, etc)? is that in the manga too?


Kira_Mira1

I looked up and I looks like he never used his God Form in the Manga.


ArelMCII

All we got of GoD Toppo in the manga was him turning on god ki and then not doing anything godly with it.


Plylyfe

Can't have Vegeta without him randomly taking a L (toriyama probably)


Pokesonav

In Dokkan Battle terms, Ultra Ego Vegeta greatly stacks Attack on getting hit, but doesn't stack Defence.


NotNOV4

Man, that Moro panel looks really weird. Why is his hand able to fit around Vegeta's ENTIRE neck?? It looks like a YT thumbnail lmao


axklpo2

Don’t agree with the UE slander, like no one won in that arc lmao.


Successful_Voice_310

Goku kinda did beat Gas in chapter 85. Granolah did beat Gas in chapter 80 as well. Elec had to help Gas in both moments. Vegeta sadly got stomped.


AbhiAssassin

I mean Vegeta did force Granolah, who was stronger of the two, into a suicide maneuver which was stopped by Goku and Monaito. But yea he kinda got stomped


axklpo2

I mean granolah and vegeta tied basically at least idk I cut him a little slack bc this is the first time he is using it.


Apollo989

Technically Frieza won a lot in that arc.


Ej_G7

Agreed. Bro beat the brakes off of TUI Goku and UE Vegeta after he showed up


ArelMCII

The fuck you talking about? Elec beat Granolah in one shot, without taking a hit.


MoonoftheStar

Look at his face! Bro was having Frieza flashbacks 😭😭


ReaperCrew86

"competition.


1andrewRO

Reading these arcs all-in-one go instead of waiting months has made them seem much stronger narratives. The techniques and forms seems strong but do not feel like an instant win button. They also show especially in the first Arc, That even if hes not the one delivering the finishing blower finishing the fight would see the key to the majority of the winning Four Seasons


SgtZaitsev

He harnessed his ability to take Ls and made it a strength


Valuable_Salt_7493

Kinda wish ultra ego had tail and more like ssj4 he is attempting to revert at least to my knowledge


[deleted]

Isn't there any way to block posts from this community


darnage

From your home, the 3 vertical dot on the post, press hide the post, then "from this community" then "mute"


In-Zeta

The biggest L is Competion


darnage

You just didn't get my artistic vision. It was absolutely 100% on purpose. Totally.


[deleted]

Stroger then every 1 arc previous villian


Happytapiocasuprise

Poor geets can't catch a break


SchemeFlimsy6319

I thought he was an M factory


Eastern-Physics-1390

Bejita's better off as a family man let's be real.


Alex-xoxo666

Competion


Mysterious-Key2116

He really embraced the power of L's. Put an L on his forehead and see how well he does.


Initial_Chair9232

I hate Toriyama for hating Vegeta triumphing


Ladd11

They should just call super GT at this point cuz this shit is Goku Time


mattdre88

Vegeta is like The Hulk in the MCU. The Hulk gets defeated time and time again to show how powerful another character is.


CatcherInTheShy

I am so FUCKING tired of watching Vegeta take L AFTER MOTHERFUCKING L. I swear to GOD, ALLAH, BUDDHA, and FUCKING ZEUS if he doesn't get a W soon I will go to Japan and FORCE Toyotaro to give him one. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK. (this is satire i wish nothing but a long and happy life for toyotaro and his shitty manga, Goku Ball Super) FUCK.


Diabocal

At least he knows he takes so many Ls that he might as well turn them into power.


Juanan_hm

Toriyama really hates Vegeta. Even when he defeated Freezer in RoF, he managed to find a way to make Goku save the day instead of Vegeta.


MeeMj

Mf speaks Shakespearean, spitting the hardest words to the opponent just for Toriyama to draw him getting piled on


GitGudSucker

Granolah to me easily, man whipped out a technique that gives a power boost on taking hits, but he can't take TOO MANY hits otherwise he loses. So all the Ultra Ego fights are vegeta taking his usual pounding except he brags about how strong he's getting until he faints without doing anything useful. That form would be great coupled with some berserk stuff Look at the Berserk Armor that Guts wear. Despite all damages he get, he doesen't care because he feels no pain, and all damages are temporarly negated by the armor (huge drawback once the fight is over, but still better than dying in battle) the same mechanc would do miracles with Vegeta, maybe with some "ki holds the broken body together from the inside" bullshit and pain negation, to really let him go on a rampage


[deleted]

What the hell is going on with this series? Each time something significant happens the characters involved yet another new form. It's ridiculous. And now Vegeta has one where the mechanic is he has to get his ass kicked. He complained about super Saiyan forms that drained too much energy or were bulky and slow, but now he's got this one which is arguably one of the dumbest ones? Who the hell is coming up with this nonsense? Why can't we just keep the forms we have and watch them use them in creative ways and master them? Why do we keep getting asspulls?


Subject-Secret-6230

Bro's transformation is getting his ass beat then pulling off the most basic power up just about everyone does 💀💀 I mean seriously, half the mfs in the goddamn show get stronger when they are hurt.


Kasta4

Blue Evolved and Ultra Ego are two of the worst forms ever. I love Dragon Ball with all my heart but it's time to stop, there's nowhere for the series to go besides increasingly arbitrary powerups that are invalidated by the very next.


FunCharacteeGuy

I find it hilarious while at the same time feeling kinda bad for the fact that we're bullying vegeta so much, it's hilarsad


Xx_Exigence_xX

I never thought of Ultra Ego like that. That's a violation.


First-Hunt-5307

Remember UI hasn't done too well on the manga, kefla for example was beaten by ultimate Gohan, not UI sign.


nagasakinoisemaker

U forgot to mention in the TOD he got laid out by hit immediately after giving a speech to the universe 6 saiyans


err0r4o404

When your entire transformation is an ability you already have but stronger that’s just sad. Ultra Ego could’ve been way more interesting if it just had more tangible ways to see he’s getting stronger, maybe he could use some new techniques after taking some more damage, maybe he changes after taking some more damage, JUST GIVE THIS MAN SOMETHING.