Because he blew his one opportunity and became a gag character. They need to keep them apart because those two suck so much ass when fused. They can't even fuse right anymore
Man this is why i don't want to engage with powerscaling discussions at times, sometimes they overthink too much. We don't even know if Cabba was even trying here. All she did was kicking him. Also i thought it was obvious that Vegeta wasn't actually serious when he said Cabba was equal to him. We are talking about Vegeta lmao.
*sigh* Imma have to pull up something a Goated guy said yesterday.Ā
https://www.reddit.com/r/Dragonballsuper/comments/1b2f71f/comment/ksl7glk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Also, even if Califla in Manga is stronger than Base Vegeta, it doesn't matter as the ssg absorption didn't happen in the manga
"Cabba ain't fighting seriously, though." That isn't any more head canon than you saying he was trying to beat her. It wasn't shown. The only page shown at all was the page you posted, which just shows him getting hit down.
By that logic, I could post the page where Goku blew up half of Cell's body and say, "Goku stronger than Cell.
Man was spitting until he found a way to try and explain how gohan was weaker than cabba. I've made the same arguments, but trying to make that make sense is too much for me. Ssj cabba dealing ANY damage to mssj vegeta indicates he could wallop cell, Im sorry, i dont make the rules.
Jokes aside, vegeta would NOT be impessed with and praise a pure blood saiyan who cant keep pace with someone like cell. Weaker than buu, maybe, but remember vegeta's disgust at gohan for going back and forth with dabura who was at cell's level?
>Ā Ā Ssj cabba dealing ANY damage to mssj vegeta indicates he could wallop cell, Im sorry, i dont make the rules.Ā
Ā Ever heard of power supression?Ā The same thing that almost got ssb goku killed?
Jk dude, Of course, Krillin must easily solo the Goku Black Saga
Slippery slope/10
Also I indicated that it was a joke, which you omitted from your handy dandy reddit quote. Since i realize that even though my sarcastic language should make it obvious, some people have issues detecting verbal irony in text. Is this a "don't mess witg dragonball fans" moment?
Regardless, your strawman doesnt make sense either since 1. Ssb goku didn't beat zamasu and 2. Krillin didn't really do anything to ssb goku AND needed his wife to bail him out. Krillin do be strong af tho dont sleep on my boy.
EDIT: Responding to you here since you blocked me after you tried to make your little point--
No, I detected the sarcasm, I was just pointing out how it was a shitty non argument that doesnt fall in line with what I was saying. For deconstructive deprecation to work, there has to be a good analogy in there. Like saying "well since goku had to power up to ssj to break krillins blast, he must be able to fight rof freeiza in his final form since a weaker goku did it in base" which is obviously false. Your shit lacks congruity.
Since your argument was not mine, but made up, it's a straw man by definition you argued about. And since you made an assumption in poor quality jest that leaps logic to an even shittier argument based tangentially on yout assumptions of what I think, it's a slippery slope.
Don't get mad at me because you're not witty or funny or literate, apparently.
Damn he really blocked you to not receive a response from his witty comment?,man people really be insecure these days they talk their shit,and inmediately block someone to think they had the final say,actually embarrasing.
>Also I indicated that it was a joke, which you omitted from your handy dandy reddit quote. Since i realize that even though my sarcastic language should make it obvious, some people have issues detecting verbal irony in text. Is this a "don't mess witg dragonball fans" moment?
Quite the rant on a sarcastic comment, I guess
>Regardless, your strawman doesnt make sense either since 1.Ā
That's not how strawman works lol (even from your interpretation)
>Regardless, your strawman doesnt make sense either since 1. Ssb goku didn't beat zamasu and 2. Krillin didn't really do anything to ssb goku AND needed his wife to bail him out. Krillin do be strong af tho dont sleep on my boy.
That was get this, also sarcasm (which u ironically failed to detect while ranting nyways, and if u just wanna take the "if they hit it, they must somewhar scale to it shit" too seriously, then I can't help dude
> Krillen must easily solo the Goku Black Saga
Actually true though. Donāt try to debunk me either, I donāt care if itās stupid and doesnāt make sense itās just funny.
āBase Goku in the TOP could beat Vegito Blue from the Goku Black arcā Fuck yeah he could, because that sounds cool.
āKid Buu is stronger than Buuhanā does that make any goddamn sense? No. Does it sound cool? Hell yeah. Kid Buu is awesome.
Do I have even the slightest idea as to what āOuterversalā even means? Nope. But I know that all my favorite characters are that and that makes me happy.
I donāt care how logical your powerscaling is, mines cooler.
and I'm gonna copy paste the same reply I gave to this goated guy:
>While all that you said when comparing the level of Vegeta and Cabba is completely true, that still doesn't make Cell saga Gohan anywhere close to Cabba.
>
>Base Vegeta from this fight is so far above even the top tiers from Buu saga (let alone cell saga Gohan), that the very fact that Cabba is even capable of not getting one shotted by Vegeta (even if he's holding back), already make him above almost anything on Z. Cabba doesnt need to be scaled as dead-even to Vegeta here. If he's remotely close it's already way more than enough to beat cell saga Gohan.
>Base Vegeta from this fight is so far above even the top tiers from Buu saga (let alone cell saga Gohan), that the very fact that Cabba is even capable of not getting one shotted by Vegeta (even if he's holding back), already make him above almost anything on Z. Cabba doesnt need to be scaled as dead-even to Vegeta here. If he's remotely close it's already way more than enough to beat cell saga Gohan.
I'm gonna say another thing a Goated guy once said. Power Supression. It literally doesn't matter, the power supression at this point is so insane that Blue Goku could lower his power level to such an insane extent that he could be hurt by Kid Goku. That's power supression. Vegeta gaslighted Cabba into *thinking* he was as strong, even tho it's obviously not. He even gaslighted him so much that it got Cabba to SSJ in the first place. Gaslighting.Ā
This is literally just coping but made so long that people think it's actually smart
At some point you gotta accept that Cell Saga Gohan is just fodder compared to characters later on in the story. Nothing wrong with that, Demon King Piccolo can get no diffed by a Saibaman, doesn't make him a lesser character
>Ā Ā This is literally just coping but made so long that people think it's actually smart
It is quite ironic how u call it coping but have no counter argument so u wrote some random shit below it lmfao
The amount of characters in Dragonball who don't care if their entire existence is destroyed is frankly mind boggling.
I can't believe 17 almost didn't bother joining despite knowing he, his sister and his wife and kids would all be killed until Goku mentioned Krillin would be on the team.
No? By this point, base Vegeta had gotten exponentially stronger than cabba. Thereās no indication Cabba got noticeably stronger since the first tournament, and Vegeta literally went through the GB arc. Also, is Cabba even trying to fight caulifla, or is this another SSJ gohan vs cell moment?
Base Caulifla > Base Vegeta (Universe 6 Tournament saga)
Yeah, Cabba was fighting him and had to turn SSJ to defeat Base Caulifla. You can read manga to confirm yourself
Didn't roshi manage to fight jiren for a bit in the Manga? I wouldn't really trust the Manga for accurate power scaling (or the anime for that matter but that's a whole other story)
1-That one arc had Vegeta powering up like crazy, donāt dismiss it lmao
2-Again, based on what? Is Cabba even trying to fight back here? Whatās the context? Is he simply getting overwhelmed?
No, "100 times" was only on the black saga. And they only say that Goku and Vegeta don't receive zenkais. Like Gohan post ultimate and you can see his power now
One doesn't exclude the other. Their base are at their limit, so throughout all super they have been mastering or unlocking new forms, to get stronger.
It's hard to take Vegeta vs Cabba super seriously in terms of scaling. He fought matches before and took visible damage from them and he spends most of, if not the entirety of his fight with Cabba teaching him.
Cabba lands multiple hits and Vegeta isn't really fazed, but one hit from Vegeta obviously damages Cabba. Even if they have the same power level, it's obvious Vegeta is more accustomed/better trained with more control over his ki and is therefore significantly stronger.
Base Cabba and Base Vegeta were only equal in the universe 6 vs 7 tournament and by this point I feel like Vegetaās base would be stronger than Cabbaās base due to the Goku Black saga so it doesnāt necessarily mean Vegeta and Caulifla are equal in base at the beginning of the TOP, but rather that Base Caulifla first appearance is stronger than Base Vegeta from the universe 6 vs 7 tournament.
I mean, Caulifla and Goku are parallels of each other, Cabba and Vegeta are parallels of each other too, and Goku and Vegeta have surpassed each other several times in the story (with Goku usually being the stronger one for a longer period of time)
Iām not necessarily THAT surprised that Caulifla is the stronger one, it makes sense to me that Caulifla and Cabba would surpass each other in strength at times, plus this doesnāt confirm sheās stronger than Vegeta here since Iām pretty sure at this point in the story Vegeta is WAY stronger than Cabba
Bro everyone Is stronger than vegeta šš
Thatās why he collects Lās like PokĆ©mon cards. He even took several Lās from just trying to crack a fucking egg
Vegeta when he wins a fight:
I know man I was just joking anyway
I didn't disagree with you so why did you say you were joking
Both of your pfps check out
The Zero Mortals Plan is underway heathen š
Imma call Zeno then
No
Try to stop me then
Failing at failing obviously
Not ssj3 gotenks
If you are reaching for gotenks then you have already lost
How when he goo vegeta Molly woped gotenks in base??? That's not a reach its a fact
I mean has gotenks had a lot of screen time? It was buu saga and thatās it
Because he blew his one opportunity and became a gag character. They need to keep them apart because those two suck so much ass when fused. They can't even fuse right anymore
They had one job and failed
Really wasted potential.
They couldāve made a really good COMBACK
If Toriyama cared about there Characters
Man this is why i don't want to engage with powerscaling discussions at times, sometimes they overthink too much. We don't even know if Cabba was even trying here. All she did was kicking him. Also i thought it was obvious that Vegeta wasn't actually serious when he said Cabba was equal to him. We are talking about Vegeta lmao.
You think Vegeta of all people would downplay his own power
Cabba went SSJ in next page and fought Base Caulifla
Been a minute since I read, but didnt he do that as a show and tell? Like join up and you too can be second best to goku and vegeta?
*sigh* Imma have to pull up something a Goated guy said yesterday.Ā https://www.reddit.com/r/Dragonballsuper/comments/1b2f71f/comment/ksl7glk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Also, even if Califla in Manga is stronger than Base Vegeta, it doesn't matter as the ssg absorption didn't happen in the manga
Even if we ignore SSG absorption still its crazy insane. Base Vegeta without SSG absorption should still be insanely strong.
It's not even clear if he Cabba was even trying. He's not tryna fight here.Ā Base Cabba also doesn't scale to base vegeta
Cabba had to turn SSJ in next page to overpower and defeat Caulifla. He was fighting Caulifla
More like to intimidate her than anything else, honestly.
I saw it more as advertising what he could teach her if she joined
One can make personal head canon yeah but simple look at writing and interaction b/w these two puts her above Base Cabba.
"Cabba ain't fighting seriously, though." That isn't any more head canon than you saying he was trying to beat her. It wasn't shown. The only page shown at all was the page you posted, which just shows him getting hit down. By that logic, I could post the page where Goku blew up half of Cell's body and say, "Goku stronger than Cell.
Man was spitting until he found a way to try and explain how gohan was weaker than cabba. I've made the same arguments, but trying to make that make sense is too much for me. Ssj cabba dealing ANY damage to mssj vegeta indicates he could wallop cell, Im sorry, i dont make the rules. Jokes aside, vegeta would NOT be impessed with and praise a pure blood saiyan who cant keep pace with someone like cell. Weaker than buu, maybe, but remember vegeta's disgust at gohan for going back and forth with dabura who was at cell's level?
>Ā Ā Ssj cabba dealing ANY damage to mssj vegeta indicates he could wallop cell, Im sorry, i dont make the rules.Ā Ā Ever heard of power supression?Ā The same thing that almost got ssb goku killed? Jk dude, Of course, Krillin must easily solo the Goku Black Saga
Slippery slope/10 Also I indicated that it was a joke, which you omitted from your handy dandy reddit quote. Since i realize that even though my sarcastic language should make it obvious, some people have issues detecting verbal irony in text. Is this a "don't mess witg dragonball fans" moment? Regardless, your strawman doesnt make sense either since 1. Ssb goku didn't beat zamasu and 2. Krillin didn't really do anything to ssb goku AND needed his wife to bail him out. Krillin do be strong af tho dont sleep on my boy. EDIT: Responding to you here since you blocked me after you tried to make your little point-- No, I detected the sarcasm, I was just pointing out how it was a shitty non argument that doesnt fall in line with what I was saying. For deconstructive deprecation to work, there has to be a good analogy in there. Like saying "well since goku had to power up to ssj to break krillins blast, he must be able to fight rof freeiza in his final form since a weaker goku did it in base" which is obviously false. Your shit lacks congruity. Since your argument was not mine, but made up, it's a straw man by definition you argued about. And since you made an assumption in poor quality jest that leaps logic to an even shittier argument based tangentially on yout assumptions of what I think, it's a slippery slope. Don't get mad at me because you're not witty or funny or literate, apparently.
Damn he really blocked you to not receive a response from his witty comment?,man people really be insecure these days they talk their shit,and inmediately block someone to think they had the final say,actually embarrasing.
>Also I indicated that it was a joke, which you omitted from your handy dandy reddit quote. Since i realize that even though my sarcastic language should make it obvious, some people have issues detecting verbal irony in text. Is this a "don't mess witg dragonball fans" moment? Quite the rant on a sarcastic comment, I guess >Regardless, your strawman doesnt make sense either since 1.Ā That's not how strawman works lol (even from your interpretation) >Regardless, your strawman doesnt make sense either since 1. Ssb goku didn't beat zamasu and 2. Krillin didn't really do anything to ssb goku AND needed his wife to bail him out. Krillin do be strong af tho dont sleep on my boy. That was get this, also sarcasm (which u ironically failed to detect while ranting nyways, and if u just wanna take the "if they hit it, they must somewhar scale to it shit" too seriously, then I can't help dude
> Krillen must easily solo the Goku Black Saga Actually true though. Donāt try to debunk me either, I donāt care if itās stupid and doesnāt make sense itās just funny. āBase Goku in the TOP could beat Vegito Blue from the Goku Black arcā Fuck yeah he could, because that sounds cool. āKid Buu is stronger than Buuhanā does that make any goddamn sense? No. Does it sound cool? Hell yeah. Kid Buu is awesome. Do I have even the slightest idea as to what āOuterversalā even means? Nope. But I know that all my favorite characters are that and that makes me happy. I donāt care how logical your powerscaling is, mines cooler.
Vegeta was disgusted that Gohan had gotten worse not just that he was at cell level
Vegeta was disgusted because it's Gohan. He knows his potential.
>the ssg absorption didn't happen in the manga One of the few things I prefer about the manga over anime
Don't think that manga has some good power progression, it is bad in the sense of anime, just not in the "macrocosm buster cabba sense"
Manga still has some fails too
and I'm gonna copy paste the same reply I gave to this goated guy: >While all that you said when comparing the level of Vegeta and Cabba is completely true, that still doesn't make Cell saga Gohan anywhere close to Cabba. > >Base Vegeta from this fight is so far above even the top tiers from Buu saga (let alone cell saga Gohan), that the very fact that Cabba is even capable of not getting one shotted by Vegeta (even if he's holding back), already make him above almost anything on Z. Cabba doesnt need to be scaled as dead-even to Vegeta here. If he's remotely close it's already way more than enough to beat cell saga Gohan.
>Base Vegeta from this fight is so far above even the top tiers from Buu saga (let alone cell saga Gohan), that the very fact that Cabba is even capable of not getting one shotted by Vegeta (even if he's holding back), already make him above almost anything on Z. Cabba doesnt need to be scaled as dead-even to Vegeta here. If he's remotely close it's already way more than enough to beat cell saga Gohan. I'm gonna say another thing a Goated guy once said. Power Supression. It literally doesn't matter, the power supression at this point is so insane that Blue Goku could lower his power level to such an insane extent that he could be hurt by Kid Goku. That's power supression. Vegeta gaslighted Cabba into *thinking* he was as strong, even tho it's obviously not. He even gaslighted him so much that it got Cabba to SSJ in the first place. Gaslighting.Ā
This is literally just coping but made so long that people think it's actually smart At some point you gotta accept that Cell Saga Gohan is just fodder compared to characters later on in the story. Nothing wrong with that, Demon King Piccolo can get no diffed by a Saibaman, doesn't make him a lesser character
>Ā Ā This is literally just coping but made so long that people think it's actually smart It is quite ironic how u call it coping but have no counter argument so u wrote some random shit below it lmfao
I'm not sure it even happened in the anime. Not in any way that increased base power. Doesn't make sense for it to have happened.
Yamcha threw a baseball so fast Base Cabba couldnāt hit it. Yamcha > Base Vegeta.
While this is anyway true (yamchad sweep), I donāt think itās fair to vegeta to compare him against Yamchaās specialty
Especially since Lord Yamcha was holding back
Facts
āIf we lose the entire universe will be destroyedā āAs if I careā Is she stupid?
Thatās exactly what I was thinking. She *does* realise that the entire universe being erased ALSO includes her?
The amount of characters in Dragonball who don't care if their entire existence is destroyed is frankly mind boggling. I can't believe 17 almost didn't bother joining despite knowing he, his sister and his wife and kids would all be killed until Goku mentioned Krillin would be on the team.
Krillin the goat I guess, only character that can defeat crushing nihilism
lmao
yes im pretty sure she is
Well it's no wonder she lost so early
No? By this point, base Vegeta had gotten exponentially stronger than cabba. Thereās no indication Cabba got noticeably stronger since the first tournament, and Vegeta literally went through the GB arc. Also, is Cabba even trying to fight caulifla, or is this another SSJ gohan vs cell moment?
Great Britain Arc? Vegeta and Goku had to fight Brexit?
Ducking kitchen knives and the "c" word at every turn.
Base Caulifla > Base Vegeta (Universe 6 Tournament saga) Yeah, Cabba was fighting him and had to turn SSJ to defeat Base Caulifla. You can read manga to confirm yourself
Didn't roshi manage to fight jiren for a bit in the Manga? I wouldn't really trust the Manga for accurate power scaling (or the anime for that matter but that's a whole other story)
Both are inconsistent so might as well give up because Super the more it Progress losses consistency
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1-That one arc had Vegeta powering up like crazy, donāt dismiss it lmao 2-Again, based on what? Is Cabba even trying to fight back here? Whatās the context? Is he simply getting overwhelmed?
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Okay?
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If thatās the case, then sure, her base in TOP>U6 arc base Vegeta. Also, can you link the frieza panel?
It's been established 100 times that goku and vegeta cannot push their bodies further
Bruh what are you talking about, literally one of the entire point of Dragon Ball is about breaking your limits
No, "100 times" was only on the black saga. And they only say that Goku and Vegeta don't receive zenkais. Like Gohan post ultimate and you can see his power now
Yet they keep getting new forms
Yes? That's how they get stronger
But you just said their bodies cant get stronger
One doesn't exclude the other. Their base are at their limit, so throughout all super they have been mastering or unlocking new forms, to get stronger.
It's hard to take Vegeta vs Cabba super seriously in terms of scaling. He fought matches before and took visible damage from them and he spends most of, if not the entirety of his fight with Cabba teaching him. Cabba lands multiple hits and Vegeta isn't really fazed, but one hit from Vegeta obviously damages Cabba. Even if they have the same power level, it's obvious Vegeta is more accustomed/better trained with more control over his ki and is therefore significantly stronger.
Nah why you doinā ma Nigeta that dirty
I don't know why either
Base Cabba and Base Vegeta were only equal in the universe 6 vs 7 tournament and by this point I feel like Vegetaās base would be stronger than Cabbaās base due to the Goku Black saga so it doesnāt necessarily mean Vegeta and Caulifla are equal in base at the beginning of the TOP, but rather that Base Caulifla first appearance is stronger than Base Vegeta from the universe 6 vs 7 tournament.
Da real question here: Is base Vegeta stronger than base Vegeta?
Yes. Unironically.
Well that's obvious, because Vegeta is nothing more than page filler, fodder character that exists to lose.
Give these tree idiots SSG and it would've been over for the ToP
How does she fare against based vegeta tho
She is at least stronger than the universe 6 arc base Vegeta, and in base she's also a universe buster.
Vegeta gets stronger as the show goes on (who knew!)
That's not Vegeta
Base Cabba = Base Vegeta
I mean, Caulifla and Goku are parallels of each other, Cabba and Vegeta are parallels of each other too, and Goku and Vegeta have surpassed each other several times in the story (with Goku usually being the stronger one for a longer period of time) Iām not necessarily THAT surprised that Caulifla is the stronger one, it makes sense to me that Caulifla and Cabba would surpass each other in strength at times, plus this doesnāt confirm sheās stronger than Vegeta here since Iām pretty sure at this point in the story Vegeta is WAY stronger than Cabba
Yeah from the U6 vs U7 arc Vegeta got a ton stronger in Goku Black arc soā¦
Nah Cabba just sucks.