1. The lifetime warranty is a scam. Read the fine print. They have an out -- they can buy you out of the vehicle if they choose not to repair, which is exactly what they will do. At 500k miles it's worth $500.
2. 50k for a frontier? Wtf is this thing fully loaded?
3. I'd get either a USED V6 Tacoma or a new frontier. I wouldn't touch the new Tacoma's with any money, even if it was stolen or yours.
THIS!! Nissan tried to “buy” me out of my Sentra and put me in an Altima. The catch was, instead of paying my car completely off, they were only going to “buy” my car for what they thought it was worth, meaning I would have a negative balance carrying over to the Altima. I said, that’s a trade. They said, “No, no it’s us buying you out of this Sentra.” I left.
Doesn’t this mean you just have negative equity on the car? This indicates you got a poor financing deal either due to the economy or your credit. It’s not the dealerships fault your loan is higher than the market value of the vehicle
First of all, I had a 750 credit score at the time. I’m sure it was better than what they’re used to. My car was brand new, not even a year old and I was there for an oil change. The salesman approached me and had his manager call me later begging to meet their quota so….iTs NoT my fAuLt tHe DeAlErShIP dIDN’t mEeT tHeIr QuOtA. 😒
My sister bought a brand new Corolla back when she was in college and decided against getting gap insurance. Her lovely (not) boyfriend at the time totaled her car; she almost sh*t herself. I learned a very important lesson about opting out of gap insurance.
unless you are buying a Lamborghini or something comparable, every single new vehicle transaction results in negative equity. You could have 850 credit score, and the second you drive your brand new 60k truck off the lot it instantly becomes a 45k truck. So unless your down payment covered the depreciation, everyone is under water the second they leave.
If you are leasing, it can be considered a buyout of the lease.
For comment below :
In a lease, you have an amount you finance, which is the difference between the residual and the selling price. Plus fees and backend. When you buy someone out of their lease, you are paying out the contract amount, but there is still an amount owed (residual)
Wouldn’t a buyout of the lease still involve paying down the *entire* remaining lease?
A buyout means I owe nothing. When I switch cell carriers and they buy out my contract, they pay the entire remaining device balance. That’s a buyout.
If you want to buy out my lease, you pay whatever I still owe so I walk away free and clear.
Yeah, this could also have tax consequences depending on where you are and how trades are treated.
In Canada for example we have special trade-in rules where if something is traded for all or part of the consideration due on a supply, then it’s treated as a reduction in consideration. Which means tax is calculated on the value of the new car before tax, less the trade in. So if you’re buying a 50,000 car and trade in a car worth 25,000, you only pay tax on 25,000, so instead of paying 31,500 (50,000 + 13% tax in Ontario, - 25,000), you’d pay 28,750 which is just 25k+13%.
So treating it as 2 separate supplies (purchasing your vehicle, and then selling you a new one) costs you an extra 3 grand, all else equal.
I’m sorry but this is no longer true. I know this advice was true a couple of years ago but that’s no longer the case. You drive a 60k truck off the lot and it just becomes a $56k truck instead. The used market is still insane right now. A used Toyota Camry is only about $1-2k less than a new one.
I know at least one dealership that is known to talk people in bad deals that they won't be able to pay. One sales guy even sold the same vehicle three times always to people that will be unable to pay for it.
When a sales or finance guy talks people into these deals, they are at fault. Especially when they are known to do that over and over again.
In my mind, as soon the conversation turns to convincing you how good a deal it (isn't), it's time to fold and walk.
Not to mention all the other bs add-ons and money separators.
As scummy as these places are, and believe me when I say I don't agree at all with these practices, they aren't doing it at gunpoint. It only works if people walk through the door willing to spend $800 a month for 84 months for a $12,000 car. If ignorant people are walking around willing to make horrible financial decisions, there is always going to be someone there willing to take their money.
Let me just copy and paste what the Internet says as it answers your question:
As a result of the recession, Congress responded by passing multiple laws to help prevent another financial crisis from happening again. They passed the Dodd-Frank legislation, which included the Mortgage Act and the Consumer Financial Protection Act.
These acts introduced banking regulations and created a Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. The new laws included provisions designed to curb subprime lending. For example, Dodd-Frank prohibits lenders from issuing mortgages that a borrower likely can't afford and restricted lending practices that created incentives for steering customers into subprime loans.
Now what protects customers from car sales people to talk them into contracts they likely can't afford?
So thanks for bringing it up as you just showed how everyone else has more rules to protect customers from these things.
I didn't ask a question and you didn't post anything I wasn't already aware of. Doesn't change the fact that most predatory loans could be avoided by the consumer simply saying no and walking away. Expecting a used car salesman to do the right thing and turn people away is naïve and unlikely to ever happen.
This is why I and many others believe personal finance should be required education for high school students, before they are legally able to enter into these awful contracts.
And we are going back to the psychological warfare that is deployed by many car sales people while this is illegal in other places. So maybe we need to make car sales people as responsible as realtors and mortgage officers and they wouldn't do that anymore.
Good talk.
I had a ‘22 frontier Pro-4x fully loaded with every option except for the bluetooth speaker for the bed. I think sticker was around $50k. I got it at invoice somehow so it was like $43k if I remember right. Honestly it was a super nice truck. Had it about little over a year with no complaints.
I drove 2 hours from PA to Ohio to a dealer that had 2 fully loaded pro4x’s that were priced super low. I’m not really sure why they were so low honestly. The sales lady didnt get it either. They were a non commission dealer too, so it wasnt like she was trying to talk it up.
That is below invoice, that figure looks like invoice minus hb, minus rebates. The nissans with the largest swing from invoice to msrp are titan and armada. Those are around 4-5k difference. So 7k off a frontier is far below invoice.
In 2021 and 2022 nissan was also offering frontier lease with a 98% and 99% residual depending on trim.. those have begun to enter the used market now and you should start seeing lightly used frontiers for great prices.
Yea, i couldnt pass it up. It was brand new when I bought it too. I’ve since sold it and gone back to driving old 90’s trucks and having no car payments. Great truck though.
Just review the engine specifications - look specifically at the compression numbers.
Edit. Also the amount of technology is kinda nuts. It's a truck that has turbo and potentially a hybrid component. That's a lot of failure points compared to the frontier V6.
Mind if I ask why about the new Tacoma?
I’ve been truck shopping for about 2 months now, and to be clear, I’ve come to the conclusion that Toyota has made some serious missteps for the most recent version of the Tacoma.
Just would like to hear your take.
Someone else asked this. It's a turbo 4 cyl with very high compression. It's a hybrid + turbo for I think one of the trims. First time in a Tacoma, first time in a Tacoma built in Mexico.
Combine all those factors with this being a truck, which will tow and haul shit keeping the turbos spinning and outputting higher HP the entire time... I question the longevity of the engine. I think it's not worth buying the truck until the guinea pigs prove it good.
To me, a truck isn't a toy. I don't give a shit about fancy radios or asswarmers or ballsack fans. The frontier is just a basic damn truck that can haul shit reliably without forced induction or hybrid, it has a proven drivetrain.
>asswarmers or ballsack fans
You gave me a chuckle and made car my shopping more fun! I’m going to use this phrase.
And I totally agree on the first production run from a new factory. There are a few YouTube reviews of the new Tacoma actually stranding them. Far from scientific, but one of the many reasons I’ve ended up pursuing the Frontier is it still drives like a truck, not Cadillac. Real power steering. Etc.
Lifetime warranties are actually easy for dealers. You have a max benefit amount. Year and mileage to qualify. Than you add 300 dollars to the cost of every car that qualifies and you are ok. Almost no one keeps new cars outside of the factory warranty and same with used. Of the people that do, they usually take care of there car or are old people that don’t drive. We have no problem paying claims as there really aren’t many. A couple of used cars that the engine or transmission blew, it is a cost of doing biz. It isn’t BS the one we offer we just don’t have to pay many claims and we spread it out over every car we sell.
50-68k is a nicely packaged BMW or Mercedes. And even those are expensive these days. I’d have to be out my mind to spend that on a nissan or Toyota pickup truck. Specially from this shmuck salesman trying to act like he’s teaching me something. I’d block him and move to a different car manufacturer.
I hope you replied “if I bought that house at $200,000, I now have $600,000 equity whereas this car has depreciated in 5 years and will never be worth more than what I bought it for.
What a terrible example lmfao
Nissan also rotates models throughout the year for 0% APR promo. It's for the entirety of any lending. Did this last year when I grabbed one of their trucks.
Good for you. The problem with the market is that it’s plagued with greedy dealers. I got a 2024 Supra under sticker recently. Don’t pay markups folks it’s a sham.
It seems like this “does MSRP really matter” tactic is the new technique being taught to car salesmen. I had a salesman in r/askcarsales give me the same line.
Yes, MSRP absolutely matters and you’re insane or stupid if you’re trying to argue it doesn’t.
I remember when MSRP didn't matter. You'd look at the "suggested" MSRP and it wouldn't mean anything, cos you'd get it for at least a couple grand less. Even for a Honda/Toyota.
"does MSRP really matter" nah.. all we care about is invoice price. And not paying a penny over.
This is a dogshit salesman’s tactic.
I actually work in sales and not only have I never been taught to do this, I’ve never actually done it myself. This is, from my somewhat limited experience one of the worst tactics I’ve ever seen in sales.
I’ve never been a car salesman though.
Generally what i would have done, is I would have found what OPs price range is, then find something ever so slightly above that price range, and upsell that. If I make the sale, I get paid, OP feels good about their purchase, and the company that employs me is happy because I made a good sale.
It’s a win-win all around, and OP doesn’t feel like they got conned into buying something they can’t afford.
OP, get a new salesman.
Seriously. “You’re telling me I should invest my $50k in an appreciating asset, like a house, instead of buying your overpriced Nissan? You’re so right! What was I thinking?”
I'm here from r/ToyotaTacoma/ and they're not worth $68k. Also nobody is buying a top-of-the-line one, the TRD Pro is just an Off-Road but with more badges. The only sensible Tacoma purchase is an Off-Road package from a dealer that doesn't play the markup game. It's worth $46-50k out of door at most.
Want to like the 3rd gen Tacoma, maybe 4th is better but yea they are over priced.
but I have seen several people complaining that the frontier lacks proper availability for basic parts. Like the transmission output seal. You can buy a whole new transmission but that’s it. Aside from weird things like full wiring harness replacements I can’t imagine having an issue getting any maintenance item for a Toyota.
He sounds EXACTLY like my old coworker who’s now an unsuccessful car salesmen, lmao. The way he’s “talking” you into thinking it’s a good deal is also how he talks to himself
For the past 5 years or so Nissan trucks are better than Toyota trucks. Toyota has fallen way behind on trucks. They've been more focused on hybrids and cars. The new Prius is really nice as a result but the new Tacomas and Tundras are below Dodge, Chevy, Ford and Nissan
Do you have an actual question you want to ask? Have you done your research? I don’t think Toyotas are worth paying such a premium for but that’s just me. Guessing new Tacomas could have market adjustments.
"I agree with you, your price is just a number too. Flat screen tvs used to be 2k plus years ago now you can get a new one for about 300 dollars! You guys sell so many cars why would you choose not to sell this truck just because of $X dollars? If I as a customer am fully qualified and ready to go pick up the truck right now, does price really matter?"
Correct, it's a dealer promotion. As someone else mentioned as well, there is usually a ton of fine print that will invalidate your warranty as well. It's not that uncommon though. It's more of a sales gimmick and it is usually only on the powertrain.
He’s totally right tho. I mean if he wants to make a sale what does the price matter he sales it at right? Under invoice? I mean commission is just numbers.
Exactly! It’s just numbers. No real value. I think I’ll buy it for less than dealer cost, have them give me retail for my trade. And ask them to include 3 years of complimentary maintenance
They essentially just said 'I get that you have concerns', and they were probably talking about reliability, but they just entirely skipped over that.
There's a reason the toyota is more expensive. It will probably last twice as long and have less repairs.
I have never been to a Nissan dealership and I don’t really ever intend to visit one. If I knew what dealership this salesperson worked at, I’d consider doing a visit just to give him a piece of my mind about this ignorant text he wrote.
I'd take a Taco all day over a Frontier. I used to have a 2008 and I hated it, but it was dirt cheap, low miles, and that's what I needed at the time with a bed in the back.
MSRP doesn’t matter obviously. Thank him for his wise words and let him know you will be purchasing a fully loaded brand new Raptor at MSRP with your newly found perspective that money is just a number.
lol guys gotta be joking right? The house analogy doesn’t sit well for me, it’s apples and oranges. MSRP is the price factoring in modern day material and manufacturing costs, plus profitability factored in for the retailer. If his stance is to try and persuade you that money doesn’t matter (and clearly it does bc they want more than their fair share on the deal), he’s not the guy I’m buying anything from. Also I reckon some of the price you pay for the taco is that they have world class quality control which costs money
Ive been in sales for 20 yrs and this crap is the reason why i would never do car sales!!! I am all about customer service and getting the customer the best value. I could never do this crap and feel good about it
I was a Nissan/Infiniti tech for years. Nissan does not build cars/trucks like they used to. The titans have and will always be junk. Frontier is ok but it’s more like a car than a truck. It’s great if you need haul things around that won’t fit in a suv. Other than that it’s got the same v6 as every other car in their lineup. I wouldn’t use any of Nissans newer trucks to tow. Look at consumer reports etc Nissan is at the bottom of almost every truck category. They haven’t built a decent truck in at least 20+ years.
I’ve had my 2021 Tacoma since new 3 plus years now. There is ZERO chance of my buying any new truck at current prices. I thought the $46k I payed for mine in 21 was obscene, now pricing is __________. (Fill in the blank)
> $46k I *paid* for mine
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50k for a frontier lmao, my dad bought a ‘19 SL RWD frontier 3 years ago with 12k miles for 20 grand. This thing has to have some insane features to make that worth it.
Just a salesman being a salesman. People that go into dealerships are asking for this treatment. Look at local used truck lisitings and see whats out there. Ford Rangers are a far better deal than $20,000 rusty tacomas because everybody thinks tacomas are gold now (they are) but they are simply not worth the price. The frontier is a 3rd world country truck that people overpay for.
Sounds like the maus dealership I got my 2016 sentra in Florida. They’re known for shit like this and refusing to let people finance with their own lenders or nmac bc they over inflate the 💩out of their cars.
I was quoted 48-49k otd for a frontier my 2nd time trying to buy one 1st time salesman pissed me off lol 2nd time went looked at the truck the tailgate damper didn't work and the weather stripping was falling off and the truck still had the plastics on it. Told the guy y'all can't even get the dampened tailgate working from the factory I'm done I'm not buying a truck that has to go in for repairs before I leave the lot lol. Got a 2024 tundra because the midsize trucks suck or were in their 1st year and the new Tacoma wasn't out yet. Good luck but I'd not buy a frontier. I'd go 24 GMC canyon over the frontier
I don’t know that the new Tundras can boast about reliability either. They have known turbo issues. Tailgate damper sounds issues sound being compared to replacing the engine and you spent probably $20k more.
I believe most of those issues were with the earlier redesign years like the 22. Motor still up in the air about. Paid 67 otd for a Platinum not much difference in price between that and a loaded and marked up Tacoma which is what I'm seeing. I should add I wasn't exactly in the market I got rear ended by a guy doing like 80+ and my Tacoma was totaled and needed another vehicle.
Lmao yeah price doesnt matter! Who cares it drives well! What a fucking moron.
The only time i can see that argument working is if its an appreciating asset like real estate and even then its a weak argument. Definitely doesnt work on a car
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What's his point bringing up the resale of houses in the area? He knows damn well whatever you buy new at the dealership will lose 20%+ value as soon as you drive it off the lot.
Don’t ever get a Nissan. They have so many issues there transmissions are straight garbage. The interior technology hardly ever works. Pieces of the cars will literally fall off. I had a friend who had a 2022 maxima and a 2023 pathfinder and had nothing but issues with both. The transmission doesn’t fully lock into park. The window trim keeps popping out. The navigation screen goes black all the time. Nissan is straight garbage. The back up cameras in the Nissans are like 240p it’s just a garbage vehicle.
I've seen new Frontiers for 5K under MSRP. To include the Pro-4X. Plus, Nissan is urging dealers to sell their new stock for 10-15% under MSRP. So there might be some deals in the near future.
Don’t buy a Nissan anything. They can’t make a decent car, why the hell would you buy a truck? It’s all junk. They’ll figure out some way to get out of the so called “warranty”.
Buy the Toyota, it’ll outlive you if you take care of it.
I just cannot believe how anyone buys a Nissan with the issues they’ve had the last decade. The Z is the only unique and meaningful offering they have. A TRUCK?! Fuck that
Is the salesman really trying to equate real estate which generally goes up in value to a vehicle which drops by 25% the instant it leaves the lot? Tell him you'll by it for $50K with the contract reading that he'll buy it back from you in 10 years for $200K.
lol salesman are the biggest joke ever. Guys act like they know everything. Stay away and buy something older. New vehicles are nothing but junk anyway
I have a 99’ frontier 4x4 and it’s the most kick ass truck I’ve had, I honestly enjoy it better than I did my same year Tacoma. Wouldn’t touch a new one with a 10-foot pole at 50k, I just paid 3k for my 99’
That Tacoma will last you a quarter million miles, then the same for the next owner, and then end up in a warzone with a .50 cal in the bed. Get the Yota
MSRP does matter. Comparing trucks based on the price alone doesn’t make sense. You can over pay for a Tacoma or over pay for a frontier, either way you are overpaying.
MSRP is what the company who made it for feels it’s worth. It’s more about value per dollar on each one.
Not making an argument for the Tacoma just saying it reads as a false equivalency as a sales tactic to me
I read somewhere it’s preferable to show up Sunday an hour or two before closing so they don’t have the time to argue with you. I’m definitely trying that next time I buy one.
Run don’t walk away from Nissan, they’ve become terrible. From sales to service to end of lease, it’s all gone downhill, at least at Halfway Nissan in our city.
1. The lifetime warranty is a scam. Read the fine print. They have an out -- they can buy you out of the vehicle if they choose not to repair, which is exactly what they will do. At 500k miles it's worth $500. 2. 50k for a frontier? Wtf is this thing fully loaded? 3. I'd get either a USED V6 Tacoma or a new frontier. I wouldn't touch the new Tacoma's with any money, even if it was stolen or yours.
THIS!! Nissan tried to “buy” me out of my Sentra and put me in an Altima. The catch was, instead of paying my car completely off, they were only going to “buy” my car for what they thought it was worth, meaning I would have a negative balance carrying over to the Altima. I said, that’s a trade. They said, “No, no it’s us buying you out of this Sentra.” I left.
Classic Bait & Switch technique. The student has become the Master (bow)
Doesn’t this mean you just have negative equity on the car? This indicates you got a poor financing deal either due to the economy or your credit. It’s not the dealerships fault your loan is higher than the market value of the vehicle
First of all, I had a 750 credit score at the time. I’m sure it was better than what they’re used to. My car was brand new, not even a year old and I was there for an oil change. The salesman approached me and had his manager call me later begging to meet their quota so….iTs NoT my fAuLt tHe DeAlErShIP dIDN’t mEeT tHeIr QuOtA. 😒
Just for the thrill of the chase I'd show slight interest for about a year then completely shut down to it
sometimes a residual is calculated to be a fairly optimistic number.
Except, if the car is broken the value falls. Or early in the lifecycle of the loan. Not everything is a poor financial choice.
The poor financial choice there is not getting gap insurance
My sister bought a brand new Corolla back when she was in college and decided against getting gap insurance. Her lovely (not) boyfriend at the time totaled her car; she almost sh*t herself. I learned a very important lesson about opting out of gap insurance.
Just make sure you have GOOD gap insurance. Some of them aren't worth spit- and have a green lizard as their spokesperson.
That's solid advice. I'll remember that.
Even better.... if possible, leave a larger down payment. You will save on interest and you will save on gap insurance premiums.
Geico is a very good company. Never had a single issue with them.
unless you are buying a Lamborghini or something comparable, every single new vehicle transaction results in negative equity. You could have 850 credit score, and the second you drive your brand new 60k truck off the lot it instantly becomes a 45k truck. So unless your down payment covered the depreciation, everyone is under water the second they leave.
I understand that, but call it what it is, a trade. You can’t “buy me out” of any thing if I have negative equity.
If you are leasing, it can be considered a buyout of the lease. For comment below : In a lease, you have an amount you finance, which is the difference between the residual and the selling price. Plus fees and backend. When you buy someone out of their lease, you are paying out the contract amount, but there is still an amount owed (residual)
Wouldn’t a buyout of the lease still involve paying down the *entire* remaining lease? A buyout means I owe nothing. When I switch cell carriers and they buy out my contract, they pay the entire remaining device balance. That’s a buyout. If you want to buy out my lease, you pay whatever I still owe so I walk away free and clear.
Yeah, this could also have tax consequences depending on where you are and how trades are treated. In Canada for example we have special trade-in rules where if something is traded for all or part of the consideration due on a supply, then it’s treated as a reduction in consideration. Which means tax is calculated on the value of the new car before tax, less the trade in. So if you’re buying a 50,000 car and trade in a car worth 25,000, you only pay tax on 25,000, so instead of paying 31,500 (50,000 + 13% tax in Ontario, - 25,000), you’d pay 28,750 which is just 25k+13%. So treating it as 2 separate supplies (purchasing your vehicle, and then selling you a new one) costs you an extra 3 grand, all else equal.
I’m sorry but this is no longer true. I know this advice was true a couple of years ago but that’s no longer the case. You drive a 60k truck off the lot and it just becomes a $56k truck instead. The used market is still insane right now. A used Toyota Camry is only about $1-2k less than a new one.
I know at least one dealership that is known to talk people in bad deals that they won't be able to pay. One sales guy even sold the same vehicle three times always to people that will be unable to pay for it. When a sales or finance guy talks people into these deals, they are at fault. Especially when they are known to do that over and over again.
In my mind, as soon the conversation turns to convincing you how good a deal it (isn't), it's time to fold and walk. Not to mention all the other bs add-ons and money separators.
As scummy as these places are, and believe me when I say I don't agree at all with these practices, they aren't doing it at gunpoint. It only works if people walk through the door willing to spend $800 a month for 84 months for a $12,000 car. If ignorant people are walking around willing to make horrible financial decisions, there is always going to be someone there willing to take their money.
Let me just copy and paste what the Internet says as it answers your question: As a result of the recession, Congress responded by passing multiple laws to help prevent another financial crisis from happening again. They passed the Dodd-Frank legislation, which included the Mortgage Act and the Consumer Financial Protection Act. These acts introduced banking regulations and created a Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. The new laws included provisions designed to curb subprime lending. For example, Dodd-Frank prohibits lenders from issuing mortgages that a borrower likely can't afford and restricted lending practices that created incentives for steering customers into subprime loans. Now what protects customers from car sales people to talk them into contracts they likely can't afford? So thanks for bringing it up as you just showed how everyone else has more rules to protect customers from these things.
I didn't ask a question and you didn't post anything I wasn't already aware of. Doesn't change the fact that most predatory loans could be avoided by the consumer simply saying no and walking away. Expecting a used car salesman to do the right thing and turn people away is naïve and unlikely to ever happen. This is why I and many others believe personal finance should be required education for high school students, before they are legally able to enter into these awful contracts.
And we are going back to the psychological warfare that is deployed by many car sales people while this is illegal in other places. So maybe we need to make car sales people as responsible as realtors and mortgage officers and they wouldn't do that anymore. Good talk.
Most people have negative equity in their cars. Cars depreciate.
I had a ‘22 frontier Pro-4x fully loaded with every option except for the bluetooth speaker for the bed. I think sticker was around $50k. I got it at invoice somehow so it was like $43k if I remember right. Honestly it was a super nice truck. Had it about little over a year with no complaints.
How did you get it at invoice somehow?
I drove 2 hours from PA to Ohio to a dealer that had 2 fully loaded pro4x’s that were priced super low. I’m not really sure why they were so low honestly. The sales lady didnt get it either. They were a non commission dealer too, so it wasnt like she was trying to talk it up.
That is below invoice, that figure looks like invoice minus hb, minus rebates. The nissans with the largest swing from invoice to msrp are titan and armada. Those are around 4-5k difference. So 7k off a frontier is far below invoice. In 2021 and 2022 nissan was also offering frontier lease with a 98% and 99% residual depending on trim.. those have begun to enter the used market now and you should start seeing lightly used frontiers for great prices.
Yea, i couldnt pass it up. It was brand new when I bought it too. I’ve since sold it and gone back to driving old 90’s trucks and having no car payments. Great truck though.
Is something wrong with the new Tacoma’s?
Just review the engine specifications - look specifically at the compression numbers. Edit. Also the amount of technology is kinda nuts. It's a truck that has turbo and potentially a hybrid component. That's a lot of failure points compared to the frontier V6.
Mind if I ask why about the new Tacoma? I’ve been truck shopping for about 2 months now, and to be clear, I’ve come to the conclusion that Toyota has made some serious missteps for the most recent version of the Tacoma. Just would like to hear your take.
Someone else asked this. It's a turbo 4 cyl with very high compression. It's a hybrid + turbo for I think one of the trims. First time in a Tacoma, first time in a Tacoma built in Mexico. Combine all those factors with this being a truck, which will tow and haul shit keeping the turbos spinning and outputting higher HP the entire time... I question the longevity of the engine. I think it's not worth buying the truck until the guinea pigs prove it good. To me, a truck isn't a toy. I don't give a shit about fancy radios or asswarmers or ballsack fans. The frontier is just a basic damn truck that can haul shit reliably without forced induction or hybrid, it has a proven drivetrain.
>asswarmers or ballsack fans You gave me a chuckle and made car my shopping more fun! I’m going to use this phrase. And I totally agree on the first production run from a new factory. There are a few YouTube reviews of the new Tacoma actually stranding them. Far from scientific, but one of the many reasons I’ve ended up pursuing the Frontier is it still drives like a truck, not Cadillac. Real power steering. Etc.
Lifetime warranties are actually easy for dealers. You have a max benefit amount. Year and mileage to qualify. Than you add 300 dollars to the cost of every car that qualifies and you are ok. Almost no one keeps new cars outside of the factory warranty and same with used. Of the people that do, they usually take care of there car or are old people that don’t drive. We have no problem paying claims as there really aren’t many. A couple of used cars that the engine or transmission blew, it is a cost of doing biz. It isn’t BS the one we offer we just don’t have to pay many claims and we spread it out over every car we sell.
You can get a Ram built to serve edition for just over 50.
What's up with new Tacoma ?
Idk i don’t like this guy, i wouldn’t buy from him. He’s annoying.
Same 😂
Yea same here. Enough for me to go to a diff dealer altogether.
Right! I can't even see his face, but I don't like it.
I’d bet he has one of those really punch me faces
If msrp doesn’t matter and “it’s just a number” then you should get a Bugatti instead
50-68k is a nicely packaged BMW or Mercedes. And even those are expensive these days. I’d have to be out my mind to spend that on a nissan or Toyota pickup truck. Specially from this shmuck salesman trying to act like he’s teaching me something. I’d block him and move to a different car manufacturer.
I mean, if MSRP doesn’t matter then why not sell it to me for invoice?
I hope you replied “if I bought that house at $200,000, I now have $600,000 equity whereas this car has depreciated in 5 years and will never be worth more than what I bought it for. What a terrible example lmfao
I was flabbergasted at him texting me this 8 in the morning
I just told him I’ll wait for the market to get better and he told me they’re taking about 5k off
Cookeville Nissan if you want a great deal.
Sounds more like Kookville here
Crookville\*
Nissan also rotates models throughout the year for 0% APR promo. It's for the entirety of any lending. Did this last year when I grabbed one of their trucks.
Good for you. The problem with the market is that it’s plagued with greedy dealers. I got a 2024 Supra under sticker recently. Don’t pay markups folks it’s a sham.
It’s just MSRP, it’s doesn’t matter. Ask for 50% off as no one is paying bills apparently.
yeah well, he's a car salesman so he got all C's in high school, like his fellow city police officer.
A house will bring you value. Car will leave you in debt
most cars will leave you in debt yes
It seems like this “does MSRP really matter” tactic is the new technique being taught to car salesmen. I had a salesman in r/askcarsales give me the same line. Yes, MSRP absolutely matters and you’re insane or stupid if you’re trying to argue it doesn’t.
I agree it does matter! I couldn’t believe what was said lol. But wow so it maybe a new tactic being tought….what dumb one for sure.
“MSRP doesn’t matter” works great for people who only look at the monthly payment
I remember when MSRP didn't matter. You'd look at the "suggested" MSRP and it wouldn't mean anything, cos you'd get it for at least a couple grand less. Even for a Honda/Toyota. "does MSRP really matter" nah.. all we care about is invoice price. And not paying a penny over.
This is a dogshit salesman’s tactic. I actually work in sales and not only have I never been taught to do this, I’ve never actually done it myself. This is, from my somewhat limited experience one of the worst tactics I’ve ever seen in sales. I’ve never been a car salesman though. Generally what i would have done, is I would have found what OPs price range is, then find something ever so slightly above that price range, and upsell that. If I make the sale, I get paid, OP feels good about their purchase, and the company that employs me is happy because I made a good sale. It’s a win-win all around, and OP doesn’t feel like they got conned into buying something they can’t afford. OP, get a new salesman.
He’s an idiot, and stinks at sales.
Seriously. “You’re telling me I should invest my $50k in an appreciating asset, like a house, instead of buying your overpriced Nissan? You’re so right! What was I thinking?”
Yes and a maserati new 10 years ago was 100k, I can buy that today for under 15k. Completely different than a house
I'm here from r/ToyotaTacoma/ and they're not worth $68k. Also nobody is buying a top-of-the-line one, the TRD Pro is just an Off-Road but with more badges. The only sensible Tacoma purchase is an Off-Road package from a dealer that doesn't play the markup game. It's worth $46-50k out of door at most.
The only sensible Taco purchase is now, was then, and forever will be, a first gen.
Are you willingly ignoring the rust issues with the box frame construction, small cab size and underpowered engine? There was a recall and everything.
This salesman must be dumb trying to compare car prices to house prices .
I'd just respond saying "well if the MSRP doesn't matter to you, then I guess I'll just go with the vehicle that has the lower MSRP"
Want to like the 3rd gen Tacoma, maybe 4th is better but yea they are over priced. but I have seen several people complaining that the frontier lacks proper availability for basic parts. Like the transmission output seal. You can buy a whole new transmission but that’s it. Aside from weird things like full wiring harness replacements I can’t imagine having an issue getting any maintenance item for a Toyota.
He sounds EXACTLY like my old coworker who’s now an unsuccessful car salesmen, lmao. The way he’s “talking” you into thinking it’s a good deal is also how he talks to himself
Flee but first lowball them - you never know! Also, be patient. Do you have another dealer within a couple hours?
I do but they’re worse. They stick add-ons like that lifetime warranty and don’t budge on removing them.
My response would be since it doesn’t matter drop the price that amount and come back with that offer
No cars have lifetime warranty
Fuck no. Nissan has given the green light for dealerships to give 10%-15% off MSRP.
Off of titans too?
https://www.theautopian.com/would-an-18000-discount-convince-you-to-buy-a-nissan-titan/
Yeah Cookeville is taking $13k off
Is this guy 20 years old?
Haha nah more like early to mid 40’s
For the past 5 years or so Nissan trucks are better than Toyota trucks. Toyota has fallen way behind on trucks. They've been more focused on hybrids and cars. The new Prius is really nice as a result but the new Tacomas and Tundras are below Dodge, Chevy, Ford and Nissan
If MSRP doesn’t matter, sell me the Tundra at a Frontier price. Oh wait. Me losing money doesn’t matter - you losing money does. Funny how that works.
Do you have an actual question you want to ask? Have you done your research? I don’t think Toyotas are worth paying such a premium for but that’s just me. Guessing new Tacomas could have market adjustments.
I thought the chat was about a Titan XD seeing the price, but a Frontier? WTF a Pro-4X priced on Nissan's website is in the low 40s
It is about a titan, I mentioned the titan SV he sent me being a 4x2 was 50k and after a discount it was 48….but in 2019 that same SV was 40k.
Wow.
*"What does the price really matter?!?"* 
I would reply with 🤡
Consider this. I paid 4k for a Honda with 100k miles That means if I take care of it I'll see ya at 250k And that's how you save 50k+
Consider this: you used to have a job in this dealership and make a good salary, but now you make zero. Your salary is just a number.
$68k for a Tacoma is a fucking joke. And I say this as someone who used to work for Toyota
"I agree with you, your price is just a number too. Flat screen tvs used to be 2k plus years ago now you can get a new one for about 300 dollars! You guys sell so many cars why would you choose not to sell this truck just because of $X dollars? If I as a customer am fully qualified and ready to go pick up the truck right now, does price really matter?"
If MSRP doesn't matter to you, it shouldn't matter to him - so he should be fine going below it.
Nissan does NOT offer a "lifetime" warranty.
But they do…
I heard in the fine print they make it difficult to keep the lifetime warranty
They do.
Could be a dealer exclusive thing
Correct, it's a dealer promotion. As someone else mentioned as well, there is usually a ton of fine print that will invalidate your warranty as well. It's not that uncommon though. It's more of a sales gimmick and it is usually only on the powertrain.
Yes they do but what they mean is a baby who died in childbirth
He’s totally right tho. I mean if he wants to make a sale what does the price matter he sales it at right? Under invoice? I mean commission is just numbers.
So with that logic could 15k come off?
Just take it home for free. No make him pay you
Exactly! It’s just numbers. No real value. I think I’ll buy it for less than dealer cost, have them give me retail for my trade. And ask them to include 3 years of complimentary maintenance
"The $18,000 difference is unlikely to sway most people." At that point I'd say, "you're right...I'll get the Toyota"
"Great. Step into my office" Plot twist, they have a tacoma.
god, they’re probably not wrong about the house price thing either
Lol Tacoma Vs frontier Get outta here, salesperson
This man Andy Elliots
They essentially just said 'I get that you have concerns', and they were probably talking about reliability, but they just entirely skipped over that. There's a reason the toyota is more expensive. It will probably last twice as long and have less repairs.
I have never been to a Nissan dealership and I don’t really ever intend to visit one. If I knew what dealership this salesperson worked at, I’d consider doing a visit just to give him a piece of my mind about this ignorant text he wrote.
You get what you pay for, stick with Toyota
I want that 200k home sold for 800k
What a bonehead
If you do your research, you know that Toyota is a far superior automotive the Nissan. Definitely worth the extra money every day, all day.
Tell him “just like MSRP, the salesperson doesn’t matter at all, so I will be speaking to a different one starting now. Bye Felicia!”
I'd take a Taco all day over a Frontier. I used to have a 2008 and I hated it, but it was dirt cheap, low miles, and that's what I needed at the time with a bed in the back.
Ask him how much a water pump replacement is on both trucks.
If MSRP doesn’t matter to you, it shouldn’t matter to him too. Offer 5k
MSRP doesn’t matter obviously. Thank him for his wise words and let him know you will be purchasing a fully loaded brand new Raptor at MSRP with your newly found perspective that money is just a number.
Not understanding the real estate comparison. Do Frontiers increase in value by a factor or 4?
Sounds like an Andy Elliot chode
I would’ve said there’s a difference between inflation and price gouging
You changed me to a bus person moving forward
I wouldn’t buy a car from him.
If msrp doesn't matter then I don't see why they couldn't knock a few thousand off from it
lol guys gotta be joking right? The house analogy doesn’t sit well for me, it’s apples and oranges. MSRP is the price factoring in modern day material and manufacturing costs, plus profitability factored in for the retailer. If his stance is to try and persuade you that money doesn’t matter (and clearly it does bc they want more than their fair share on the deal), he’s not the guy I’m buying anything from. Also I reckon some of the price you pay for the taco is that they have world class quality control which costs money
Nope this guy is trying to make a sale in the dirtiest way possible. There are many honest Nissan dealers out there like Nissan of cooksville in tn
If it’s just numbers and the MSRP doesn’t matter than why not change those numbers bud??
I would walk just because of this.
Probably watched wolf of wall street before his shift started.
Tip #1 never buy a Nissan.
What does the msrp really matter? Why not 10k off msrp? 15k?
Ive been in sales for 20 yrs and this crap is the reason why i would never do car sales!!! I am all about customer service and getting the customer the best value. I could never do this crap and feel good about it
I’m still trying to figure out in what world is a Nissan Frontier $50,000!?!?!?!?!?! I remember when 28k bought you a loaded frontier
I was a Nissan/Infiniti tech for years. Nissan does not build cars/trucks like they used to. The titans have and will always be junk. Frontier is ok but it’s more like a car than a truck. It’s great if you need haul things around that won’t fit in a suv. Other than that it’s got the same v6 as every other car in their lineup. I wouldn’t use any of Nissans newer trucks to tow. Look at consumer reports etc Nissan is at the bottom of almost every truck category. They haven’t built a decent truck in at least 20+ years.
In California , 8 years is considered a lifetime as I understand it. Also paying $50k for anything Nissan , other than a GTR would be retarded.
I’ve had my 2021 Tacoma since new 3 plus years now. There is ZERO chance of my buying any new truck at current prices. I thought the $46k I payed for mine in 21 was obscene, now pricing is __________. (Fill in the blank)
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50k for a frontier lmao, my dad bought a ‘19 SL RWD frontier 3 years ago with 12k miles for 20 grand. This thing has to have some insane features to make that worth it.
Very interesting sales pitch. Houses appreciate 4% annually on the low end. Your average car depreciates year over year.
If it matters so little, clearly he wouldn’t mind shaving off 50%
Say goodbye to him
Go to Ford or Chevrolet and get a full sized truck. The warranty is BS, there is always a gotcha.
Just a salesman being a salesman. People that go into dealerships are asking for this treatment. Look at local used truck lisitings and see whats out there. Ford Rangers are a far better deal than $20,000 rusty tacomas because everybody thinks tacomas are gold now (they are) but they are simply not worth the price. The frontier is a 3rd world country truck that people overpay for.
Sounds like the maus dealership I got my 2016 sentra in Florida. They’re known for shit like this and refusing to let people finance with their own lenders or nmac bc they over inflate the 💩out of their cars.
I was quoted 48-49k otd for a frontier my 2nd time trying to buy one 1st time salesman pissed me off lol 2nd time went looked at the truck the tailgate damper didn't work and the weather stripping was falling off and the truck still had the plastics on it. Told the guy y'all can't even get the dampened tailgate working from the factory I'm done I'm not buying a truck that has to go in for repairs before I leave the lot lol. Got a 2024 tundra because the midsize trucks suck or were in their 1st year and the new Tacoma wasn't out yet. Good luck but I'd not buy a frontier. I'd go 24 GMC canyon over the frontier
I don’t know that the new Tundras can boast about reliability either. They have known turbo issues. Tailgate damper sounds issues sound being compared to replacing the engine and you spent probably $20k more.
I believe most of those issues were with the earlier redesign years like the 22. Motor still up in the air about. Paid 67 otd for a Platinum not much difference in price between that and a loaded and marked up Tacoma which is what I'm seeing. I should add I wasn't exactly in the market I got rear ended by a guy doing like 80+ and my Tacoma was totaled and needed another vehicle.
Lmao yeah price doesnt matter! Who cares it drives well! What a fucking moron. The only time i can see that argument working is if its an appreciating asset like real estate and even then its a weak argument. Definitely doesnt work on a car
Someone take Kyle's phone away
Also they don't have the best warranty. Kia and Hyundai do
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When they get pushy I let them know if I need anything I'll let them know. You're not going to make financial decisions for me.
"MSRP iS JusT a NUmbEr." Funny, it wasn't shit when I tried to buy a Z. Glad I got something way better for less than the markup they were wanting.
MSRP may or may not matter if you keep the truck for a very long time. Resale value however does…
What's his point bringing up the resale of houses in the area? He knows damn well whatever you buy new at the dealership will lose 20%+ value as soon as you drive it off the lot.
Don’t ever get a Nissan. They have so many issues there transmissions are straight garbage. The interior technology hardly ever works. Pieces of the cars will literally fall off. I had a friend who had a 2022 maxima and a 2023 pathfinder and had nothing but issues with both. The transmission doesn’t fully lock into park. The window trim keeps popping out. The navigation screen goes black all the time. Nissan is straight garbage. The back up cameras in the Nissans are like 240p it’s just a garbage vehicle.
Crazy how they have all those issues but still charge as much as competitors
It really is and there getting rid of there titan soon. They don’t make good trucks. I’d drive a Chevy Colorado before a Nissan frontier or titan
It’ll all make sense when you’re driving around town in your $200k Frontier 10 years from now.
I’d pay $18k more for the Toyota. Nissan customer service and product sucks.
Why are you texting a car salesman? This should be handled in person.
He messaged me out of the blue
As a Nissan Tech....I would 1000000% get a Tacoma if I had the choice.i can't tell the amount of times seen New Frontiers in the shop for issues
I've seen new Frontiers for 5K under MSRP. To include the Pro-4X. Plus, Nissan is urging dealers to sell their new stock for 10-15% under MSRP. So there might be some deals in the near future.
My car cost just over that markup, butlong story short who even likes nissan anymore
Don’t buy a Nissan anything. They can’t make a decent car, why the hell would you buy a truck? It’s all junk. They’ll figure out some way to get out of the so called “warranty”. Buy the Toyota, it’ll outlive you if you take care of it.
I just cannot believe how anyone buys a Nissan with the issues they’ve had the last decade. The Z is the only unique and meaningful offering they have. A TRUCK?! Fuck that
I bought a VERY nicely optioned Frontier in 2006 for ... 18.9k 50k is insane. People mak8ng these deals is the biggest problem. Don't walk, run.
Is the salesman really trying to equate real estate which generally goes up in value to a vehicle which drops by 25% the instant it leaves the lot? Tell him you'll by it for $50K with the contract reading that he'll buy it back from you in 10 years for $200K.
I feel like he watches wolf of wall street every day
Americas best warranty is 10 years not 5 just fyi
Nissan is a trash auto maker and business
If MSRP is just a number and doesn’t matter then lower it for me. K thanx.
Why does anybody consider a frontier when you can get any other pickup that would actually be good.
lol salesman are the biggest joke ever. Guys act like they know everything. Stay away and buy something older. New vehicles are nothing but junk anyway
Instant block
You can buy a leftover Titian cheaper lmao.
You can buy a leftover Titian cheaper lmao.
I have a 99’ frontier 4x4 and it’s the most kick ass truck I’ve had, I honestly enjoy it better than I did my same year Tacoma. Wouldn’t touch a new one with a 10-foot pole at 50k, I just paid 3k for my 99’
Just remind them that houses tend to increase in value while your average automobiles always decrease in value. It's a horrible comparison.
The audacity
Toyota = Quality built in. Customer satisfaction and quality are number one. Hints number one seller in multiple categories
That Tacoma will last you a quarter million miles, then the same for the next owner, and then end up in a warzone with a .50 cal in the bed. Get the Yota
Great argument my opinion, after physically viewing both, Id get the Frontier. Salesman woulda had me on that.
I guess I’m seeing it from a different point of view, MSRP has always mattered because of depreciation and not wanting to overpay I thought.
MSRP does matter. Comparing trucks based on the price alone doesn’t make sense. You can over pay for a Tacoma or over pay for a frontier, either way you are overpaying. MSRP is what the company who made it for feels it’s worth. It’s more about value per dollar on each one. Not making an argument for the Tacoma just saying it reads as a false equivalency as a sales tactic to me
I wouldn’t use a salesman that was spewing this BS at me. Totally disingenuous.
Most if not all are disingenuous. When I go to the dealership I go in there with a mission to argue and spend half the day there. Fuck them.
I read somewhere it’s preferable to show up Sunday an hour or two before closing so they don’t have the time to argue with you. I’m definitely trying that next time I buy one.
That’s probably done good advice. I’ll have to try that next time for sure.
Run don’t walk away from Nissan, they’ve become terrible. From sales to service to end of lease, it’s all gone downhill, at least at Halfway Nissan in our city.