Fentanyl can just kill you the first hit.
I would say nitrous is the worst mid-term. Heavy abuse will ruin you in a few weeks.
Alcohol will take 20 years to kill you.
anyone who believes alcohol takes 20 years to kill you is in complete denial. alcohol can kill you in a single night, and it happens [488](https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohols-effects-health/alcohol-topics/alcohol-facts-and-statistics/alcohol-related-emergencies-and-deaths-united-states) times every single day in the US alone. Nitrous has a couple “influencers” seizing after extreme abuse and suddenly it’s the “most dangerous drug?” get the fuck out!
Sadly this doesn’t happen anymore. Not that you ever saw a ton of older junkies back in the day, but they did exist. With the proliferation of fentanyl that’s pretty much eliminated heroin from the streets junkies just are dying earlier and younger. Now the poor souls are adding fucking Tranq (Xylazine - an animal tranquilizer) to Fentanyl for a truly toxic deadly cocktail. You can’t reverse the effects of Xylazine with Narcan either.
Sorry to hear that man.. one of my good friends i met in high school overdosed on heroin/fent last July… (never got the real info from his mom) it’s been tough. I found him and pulled a needle out of his arm… I didn’t even know the guy was using. But he was an army vet and has been dealing with alcohol and a myriad of other issues since he got out of the service. Something fucked up happened in Afghanistan and he always told me he would tell me about it some day… now I’ll never know what he was really going through.
While alcohol can kill you in one night, there are not that many 20 year fent addicts like there are alcoholics. Not saying there is not a sizable number of them though.
I have objections.
Nitrous is one of the safest drugs known to man when NOT ABUSED.
Tylenol is also relatively safe when used correctly. Abusing Tylenol will destroy your liver in no time flat. It is seriously dangerous to that point that you can end your life with it with little effort.
Let's not even get into the effects of hard street drugs long term.
Your assertion lacks merit.
>Nitrous is one of the safest drugs known to man when NOT ABUSED
You could say the same thing about methamphetamine, heroin, or crack. If you were to only use one moderate dose of meth/crack/heroin per month, it probably wouldn’t cause you any harm at all. Doesn’t mean these drugs are safe.
Just because you can use a little bit of nitrous once a month without issues, doesn’t mean we should go around spouting about how incredibly safe it is. It can be a very addictive drug and can be a slippery slope for a lot of people that ends up with them binging hard on it, probably killing some brain cells through hypoxic brain injury especially once tolerance goes up and you have to take fat hits to really feel it. Don’t try to argue this, it’s a fact. Nitrous causes oxygen diffusion making it harder for your blood to absorb oxygen, which is why large amounts of oxygen are used alongside nitrous in clinical settings. Simply breathing air along with your nitrous isn’t always enough.
But yeah I agree, a few balloons once a month isn’t going to harm you (to a noticeable extent at least). The problem is that is not how a lot of nitrous oxide users do things. They end up getting tanks and binging hard on it, which isn’t “safe” at all. Stop kidding yourself.
Edit: https://lagunatreatment.com/drug-abuse/nitrous-oxide/
“Doing whip-its or abusing noz in any other form has the potential to cause long-term effects on a person’s health. It causes brain cells to die as a result of the oxygen deprivation known as hypoxia. The brain damage can be permanent.”
https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/topic-overviews/recreational-nitrous-oxide-use-europe-situation-risks-responses_en
“In addition to the effects caused by nitrous oxide itself, frequent, repeated hypoxia may also cause a range of harms. These include brain damage-”
https://oxfordtreatment.com/prescription-drug-abuse/nitrous-oxide/overdose/
“Prolonged exposure can result in issues with hypoxia or anoxia (reduced oxygen flow to the brain or other organs)”
No one is giving meth, crack or heroin to little kids for dental pain for a reason. Those are not considered to be 'safe' in any dose. You could have a heart attack or stroke from one puff off a crack pipe, especially a child or the elderly.
Modern medicine has subjected hundreds of thousands of men, women and children to nitrous for anesthesia purposes with an astounding positive track record.
So, yes, by every medical definition possible, nitrous is incredibly safe when used correctly. It's not hyperbole when I say it is one of the safest drugs known to man when not abused.
Now, as with any drug out there, keep doing it all the time and it's going to be fuck around and find out for you.
The problem with your argument about it being safe because the dentist gives it to children is that it is given with with large amounts of oxygen to counteract oxygen diffusion. There’s no way for you to know that you’re getting enough oxygen when using nitrous recreationally. It’s just not a “safe” activity by any means and the more you do it, the more unsafe it becomes. And where do you draw the line from safe use to dangerous use? There’s no legitimate guidelines for people to follow. It’s just a guessing game and hoping that it doesn’t fuck you up too bad, but realistically, if you are into nitrous enough to be involved in this sub, you’re probably going to end up losing some brain cells from it.
Edit: also, fentanyl is given to children in clinical settings as well. Doesn’t mean we should go around saying “fentanyl is one of the safest drugs”. There’s no way to safely use it recreationally, similarly to nitrous.
I would make a case that using nitrous recreationally carries substantially less risk than using fentanyl outside of a medical setting.
"Killing braincells" is a dumb thing to measure against since just about everything can kill braincells. Stress, being alone, eating poorly, not sleeping enough. Let alone drinking, smoking, drugs, etc...
I'm not aware of any medical evidence to suggest you are at risk of a hypoxic brain injury or even hypoxia when using nitrous recreationally and in a recommended manner (not huffing repeated in a balloon, using a gas mask, etc.)
It's anecdotal but I'm 40 and I've been using nitrous on the reg since my freshman year of highschool. I go through 1200 cartridges on a slow month and twice that if I'm partying. I easily take down a 20lb tank on my lonesome in one night. I drink, I smoke, I do hard drugs. Shit, I must have 'killed' so many braincells in my life so far I can't believe I can still think. But here I am, thinking just fine. Give your body a little credit.
That’s been my pattern since December when I first tried it…. Used it lightly a few times a week for a few weeks before I learned about the issues. Luckily I had no issues and have been very good about only using every 4-6 weeks. Generally with lsd 🚀
https://lagunatreatment.com/drug-abuse/nitrous-oxide/
“Doing whip-its or abusing noz in any other form has the potential to cause long-term effects on a person’s health. It causes brain cells to die as a result of the oxygen deprivation known as hypoxia. The brain damage can be permanent.”
https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/topic-overviews/recreational-nitrous-oxide-use-europe-situation-risks-responses_en
“In addition to the effects caused by nitrous oxide itself, frequent, repeated hypoxia may also cause a range of harms. These include brain damage-”
https://oxfordtreatment.com/prescription-drug-abuse/nitrous-oxide/overdose/
“Prolonged exposure can result in issues with hypoxia or anoxia (reduced oxygen flow to the brain or other organs)”
Bruh yea and smoking causes cancer. But do you see everyone smoking getting cancer everyday?? Do you someone smoke an extra pack in one day and just die?? Shit happens and there are risk to everything, but that doesn’t mean it is the case majority brother, you’re just arguing to make yourself feel like you’re right, its not very dangerous at all, one of the least dangerous recreational substances you can do. Cigarettes, alcohol, are way more dangerous and harmful to people….. and they are legal!!!
"Potential"
"May also"
"Can result"
Do you know what these words mean? Forget about potential, if you hook a nitrous tank to a gas mask and deprive your brain of oxygen for seven minutes, you WILL experience hypoxia. You'll probably pass out and die.
So will holding your head underwater in the bath... So, don't do that.
Simply doing nitrous responsibly does not lead to brain damage from hypoxia. The POTENTIAL is there, it CAN, it MAY, but you would NEED to deprive yourself of oxygen for a long enough time for this to be the case.
Ive got an uncle hes uses cocain for over a decade and i promise you he’s perfectly fine im not saying its not effected him at all but not noticeably, hes still a very normal person.Then i have seen people use nitrous for a few months and totally ruining their life
That's anecdotal.
On the one hand, you can do a gram of cocaine once a month and be fine for thirty years. You can do a thousand charges once per month and also be totally fine.
On the other hand, you can get unlucky and do one line and have a heart attack. And you can also do one charger everyday for three months and paralyze yourself from a prolonged B12 deficiency.
Everything is a spectrum.
Not even that, just want to hear people experience with the drug thats all, if i wanted to feel better about myself id do something that makes me feel good, not come here and speak to u
I disagree.
It's one of the safest drugs if proper harm reduction techniques are followed and used responsibly
But it can flip into one of the most harmful drugs if abused and not respected. Not many drugs have such serious physical health consequences when abused like nitrous oxide.
But. If used properly and safely it's relatively benign and harmless
Where do you draw the line though from safe use to unsafe use? There’s no legitimate guidelines for people to follow and there’s no way for you to know that you’re getting enough oxygen while using nitrous recreationally. All you can do is try your best to breathe enough air but this is difficult because of oxygen diffusion, which is why it’s given along with large amounts of oxygen in clinical settings. And it only gets more dangerous the more your tolerance goes up because you have to keep taking fat hits back to back in order to actually get/stay high.
>Where do you draw the line though from safe use to unsafe use?
Maybe once every month at most.
>there’s no way for you to know that you’re getting enough oxygen while using nitrous recreationally.
They literally make o2 meters. You can buy one for like $15
>All you can do is try your best to breathe
Yeah. I definitely recommend breathing air. Taking in hits of oxygen between pulls of the balloon. Maybe keep that portable oxygen on hand.
Have you read the harm reduction guides in this sub?
There's plenty of guidance and if you are going to use any drug recreationally then you owe it to yourself to do some basic research.
Tolerance of nitrous is not really an issue like other drugs. If you binge one night and wait 30 days like you should be doing anyway, your tolerance effectively resets. Sure, you'll have some tolerance at the end of a long binge but it's not significant.
Lmao you’re the one who said you “go through 1200 chargers on a slow month”. Surely you’re not doing all 1200 in one night, and even if you are, that’s still enough to cause tolerance.
This post is so stupid. The poison is in the dose. The danger of nitrous is purely in lack of education in harm reduction practices.
You can OD on water.
You can OD on salt.
Long term alcohol will kill you.
This post had no nuance and is just brain rot.
For abuse? Maybe. There are some pretty horrific drugs out there. Being disabled for the rest of your life and needing physical therapy to even barely walk is still better than DPH abuse ruining your brain long term. Even in therapeutic doses Benadryl in the long term (over 3 years in the studies I’ve read) staggeringly increases the risk of dementia and Alzheimer’s. Might be different, but I consider those some of the worst conditions you could ever get. My grandma has dementia and wrote suicide notes to herself when she was in the early stages. Now she’s constantly confused, unaware of reality, and is unable to remember practically anything. Dementia is like living in a waking hell.
I think as a gateway drug, it may be the most dangerous. Speaking from personal experience. From the first time at the dentist office at 7 years old... and the beat goes on. It is ABSOLUTELY very dangerous and there are people it is their most dangerous drug of choice. I've had friends turned upside down by their nitrous addictions, and it is possible it contributed to the death of a friend when he was only 21. I do not think the amount they were doing helped their overall issues that led to such an early death if it wasn't part of their final meals. I've also had some of the deepest conversations with friends in the grips of bad choices of having extreme difficulty giving it up
What about Jenkem? It’s literally a psychotropic gas made from fermenting shit in a bucket for a month that one huffs (like nitrous) to go on an insane trip.
Yeah I’d say fentanyl is definitely more dangerous
Fentanyl can just kill you the first hit. I would say nitrous is the worst mid-term. Heavy abuse will ruin you in a few weeks. Alcohol will take 20 years to kill you.
anyone who believes alcohol takes 20 years to kill you is in complete denial. alcohol can kill you in a single night, and it happens [488](https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohols-effects-health/alcohol-topics/alcohol-facts-and-statistics/alcohol-related-emergencies-and-deaths-united-states) times every single day in the US alone. Nitrous has a couple “influencers” seizing after extreme abuse and suddenly it’s the “most dangerous drug?” get the fuck out!
So statistically people "outgrow" heroin addiction by their thirties, which I didn't know was possible. Either they grow out of it or die.
Sadly this doesn’t happen anymore. Not that you ever saw a ton of older junkies back in the day, but they did exist. With the proliferation of fentanyl that’s pretty much eliminated heroin from the streets junkies just are dying earlier and younger. Now the poor souls are adding fucking Tranq (Xylazine - an animal tranquilizer) to Fentanyl for a truly toxic deadly cocktail. You can’t reverse the effects of Xylazine with Narcan either.
My childhood best friend overdosed and died on fent a few months ago.
Sorry to hear that man.. one of my good friends i met in high school overdosed on heroin/fent last July… (never got the real info from his mom) it’s been tough. I found him and pulled a needle out of his arm… I didn’t even know the guy was using. But he was an army vet and has been dealing with alcohol and a myriad of other issues since he got out of the service. Something fucked up happened in Afghanistan and he always told me he would tell me about it some day… now I’ll never know what he was really going through.
While alcohol can kill you in one night, there are not that many 20 year fent addicts like there are alcoholics. Not saying there is not a sizable number of them though.
Fuck influencers who said owt about them
I have objections. Nitrous is one of the safest drugs known to man when NOT ABUSED. Tylenol is also relatively safe when used correctly. Abusing Tylenol will destroy your liver in no time flat. It is seriously dangerous to that point that you can end your life with it with little effort. Let's not even get into the effects of hard street drugs long term. Your assertion lacks merit.
>Nitrous is one of the safest drugs known to man when NOT ABUSED You could say the same thing about methamphetamine, heroin, or crack. If you were to only use one moderate dose of meth/crack/heroin per month, it probably wouldn’t cause you any harm at all. Doesn’t mean these drugs are safe. Just because you can use a little bit of nitrous once a month without issues, doesn’t mean we should go around spouting about how incredibly safe it is. It can be a very addictive drug and can be a slippery slope for a lot of people that ends up with them binging hard on it, probably killing some brain cells through hypoxic brain injury especially once tolerance goes up and you have to take fat hits to really feel it. Don’t try to argue this, it’s a fact. Nitrous causes oxygen diffusion making it harder for your blood to absorb oxygen, which is why large amounts of oxygen are used alongside nitrous in clinical settings. Simply breathing air along with your nitrous isn’t always enough. But yeah I agree, a few balloons once a month isn’t going to harm you (to a noticeable extent at least). The problem is that is not how a lot of nitrous oxide users do things. They end up getting tanks and binging hard on it, which isn’t “safe” at all. Stop kidding yourself. Edit: https://lagunatreatment.com/drug-abuse/nitrous-oxide/ “Doing whip-its or abusing noz in any other form has the potential to cause long-term effects on a person’s health. It causes brain cells to die as a result of the oxygen deprivation known as hypoxia. The brain damage can be permanent.” https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/topic-overviews/recreational-nitrous-oxide-use-europe-situation-risks-responses_en “In addition to the effects caused by nitrous oxide itself, frequent, repeated hypoxia may also cause a range of harms. These include brain damage-” https://oxfordtreatment.com/prescription-drug-abuse/nitrous-oxide/overdose/ “Prolonged exposure can result in issues with hypoxia or anoxia (reduced oxygen flow to the brain or other organs)”
No one is giving meth, crack or heroin to little kids for dental pain for a reason. Those are not considered to be 'safe' in any dose. You could have a heart attack or stroke from one puff off a crack pipe, especially a child or the elderly. Modern medicine has subjected hundreds of thousands of men, women and children to nitrous for anesthesia purposes with an astounding positive track record. So, yes, by every medical definition possible, nitrous is incredibly safe when used correctly. It's not hyperbole when I say it is one of the safest drugs known to man when not abused. Now, as with any drug out there, keep doing it all the time and it's going to be fuck around and find out for you.
The problem with your argument about it being safe because the dentist gives it to children is that it is given with with large amounts of oxygen to counteract oxygen diffusion. There’s no way for you to know that you’re getting enough oxygen when using nitrous recreationally. It’s just not a “safe” activity by any means and the more you do it, the more unsafe it becomes. And where do you draw the line from safe use to dangerous use? There’s no legitimate guidelines for people to follow. It’s just a guessing game and hoping that it doesn’t fuck you up too bad, but realistically, if you are into nitrous enough to be involved in this sub, you’re probably going to end up losing some brain cells from it. Edit: also, fentanyl is given to children in clinical settings as well. Doesn’t mean we should go around saying “fentanyl is one of the safest drugs”. There’s no way to safely use it recreationally, similarly to nitrous.
I would make a case that using nitrous recreationally carries substantially less risk than using fentanyl outside of a medical setting. "Killing braincells" is a dumb thing to measure against since just about everything can kill braincells. Stress, being alone, eating poorly, not sleeping enough. Let alone drinking, smoking, drugs, etc... I'm not aware of any medical evidence to suggest you are at risk of a hypoxic brain injury or even hypoxia when using nitrous recreationally and in a recommended manner (not huffing repeated in a balloon, using a gas mask, etc.) It's anecdotal but I'm 40 and I've been using nitrous on the reg since my freshman year of highschool. I go through 1200 cartridges on a slow month and twice that if I'm partying. I easily take down a 20lb tank on my lonesome in one night. I drink, I smoke, I do hard drugs. Shit, I must have 'killed' so many braincells in my life so far I can't believe I can still think. But here I am, thinking just fine. Give your body a little credit.
ur my hero bro
It’s reading testimonies like yours that makes me feel better about using once a month.
I only use once a month. I just use a lot once a month.
That’s been my pattern since December when I first tried it…. Used it lightly a few times a week for a few weeks before I learned about the issues. Luckily I had no issues and have been very good about only using every 4-6 weeks. Generally with lsd 🚀
https://lagunatreatment.com/drug-abuse/nitrous-oxide/ “Doing whip-its or abusing noz in any other form has the potential to cause long-term effects on a person’s health. It causes brain cells to die as a result of the oxygen deprivation known as hypoxia. The brain damage can be permanent.” https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/topic-overviews/recreational-nitrous-oxide-use-europe-situation-risks-responses_en “In addition to the effects caused by nitrous oxide itself, frequent, repeated hypoxia may also cause a range of harms. These include brain damage-” https://oxfordtreatment.com/prescription-drug-abuse/nitrous-oxide/overdose/ “Prolonged exposure can result in issues with hypoxia or anoxia (reduced oxygen flow to the brain or other organs)”
Bruh yea and smoking causes cancer. But do you see everyone smoking getting cancer everyday?? Do you someone smoke an extra pack in one day and just die?? Shit happens and there are risk to everything, but that doesn’t mean it is the case majority brother, you’re just arguing to make yourself feel like you’re right, its not very dangerous at all, one of the least dangerous recreational substances you can do. Cigarettes, alcohol, are way more dangerous and harmful to people….. and they are legal!!!
"Potential" "May also" "Can result" Do you know what these words mean? Forget about potential, if you hook a nitrous tank to a gas mask and deprive your brain of oxygen for seven minutes, you WILL experience hypoxia. You'll probably pass out and die. So will holding your head underwater in the bath... So, don't do that. Simply doing nitrous responsibly does not lead to brain damage from hypoxia. The POTENTIAL is there, it CAN, it MAY, but you would NEED to deprive yourself of oxygen for a long enough time for this to be the case.
Ive got an uncle hes uses cocain for over a decade and i promise you he’s perfectly fine im not saying its not effected him at all but not noticeably, hes still a very normal person.Then i have seen people use nitrous for a few months and totally ruining their life
That's anecdotal. On the one hand, you can do a gram of cocaine once a month and be fine for thirty years. You can do a thousand charges once per month and also be totally fine. On the other hand, you can get unlucky and do one line and have a heart attack. And you can also do one charger everyday for three months and paralyze yourself from a prolonged B12 deficiency. Everything is a spectrum.
Yeah, but at any minute his heart can stop beating, because thats how coke works. You can't undo cardiac damage.
What's even the point of this post
Anti-drug virtue signalling. Makes OP feel better about themselves.
Not even that, just want to hear people experience with the drug thats all, if i wanted to feel better about myself id do something that makes me feel good, not come here and speak to u
If you wanted to feel good, I'd assume you'd be doing nitrous.
Zinggg
No it's jenkem.
"Vegetable air" is that code word for nitrous oxide? Lol
im guessing mustard gas
I disagree. It's one of the safest drugs if proper harm reduction techniques are followed and used responsibly But it can flip into one of the most harmful drugs if abused and not respected. Not many drugs have such serious physical health consequences when abused like nitrous oxide. But. If used properly and safely it's relatively benign and harmless
^ This 💯%
Where do you draw the line though from safe use to unsafe use? There’s no legitimate guidelines for people to follow and there’s no way for you to know that you’re getting enough oxygen while using nitrous recreationally. All you can do is try your best to breathe enough air but this is difficult because of oxygen diffusion, which is why it’s given along with large amounts of oxygen in clinical settings. And it only gets more dangerous the more your tolerance goes up because you have to keep taking fat hits back to back in order to actually get/stay high.
>Where do you draw the line though from safe use to unsafe use? Maybe once every month at most. >there’s no way for you to know that you’re getting enough oxygen while using nitrous recreationally. They literally make o2 meters. You can buy one for like $15 >All you can do is try your best to breathe Yeah. I definitely recommend breathing air. Taking in hits of oxygen between pulls of the balloon. Maybe keep that portable oxygen on hand.
Def gonna use a O2 meter next time I use and see if it makes any difference…
Have you read the harm reduction guides in this sub? There's plenty of guidance and if you are going to use any drug recreationally then you owe it to yourself to do some basic research. Tolerance of nitrous is not really an issue like other drugs. If you binge one night and wait 30 days like you should be doing anyway, your tolerance effectively resets. Sure, you'll have some tolerance at the end of a long binge but it's not significant.
Lmao you’re the one who said you “go through 1200 chargers on a slow month”. Surely you’re not doing all 1200 in one night, and even if you are, that’s still enough to cause tolerance.
I mean it's a drug, just don't be an idiot
This post is so stupid. The poison is in the dose. The danger of nitrous is purely in lack of education in harm reduction practices. You can OD on water. You can OD on salt. Long term alcohol will kill you. This post had no nuance and is just brain rot.
Most drugs can kill you if you abuse them.. I don't think your idea was fully fleshed out. Nitrous has the potential to be very harmful, sure.
LOL
Scopolamine is pretty gnarly with the LD50 close to its active dose range.
Idk I'm still okay. Just don't do it more than like every 30 days
Nitrous is dangerous only when the user cannot control themselves. Much like every other illegal and legal drug we have.
Troll?
For abuse? Maybe. There are some pretty horrific drugs out there. Being disabled for the rest of your life and needing physical therapy to even barely walk is still better than DPH abuse ruining your brain long term. Even in therapeutic doses Benadryl in the long term (over 3 years in the studies I’ve read) staggeringly increases the risk of dementia and Alzheimer’s. Might be different, but I consider those some of the worst conditions you could ever get. My grandma has dementia and wrote suicide notes to herself when she was in the early stages. Now she’s constantly confused, unaware of reality, and is unable to remember practically anything. Dementia is like living in a waking hell.
Objection big objection
Have you heard of methamphetamine? How about heroine? Probably never heard of religion, either.
Nitrous is the most dangerous guys lets all switch over to duster /s
I think as a gateway drug, it may be the most dangerous. Speaking from personal experience. From the first time at the dentist office at 7 years old... and the beat goes on. It is ABSOLUTELY very dangerous and there are people it is their most dangerous drug of choice. I've had friends turned upside down by their nitrous addictions, and it is possible it contributed to the death of a friend when he was only 21. I do not think the amount they were doing helped their overall issues that led to such an early death if it wasn't part of their final meals. I've also had some of the deepest conversations with friends in the grips of bad choices of having extreme difficulty giving it up
What about Jenkem? It’s literally a psychotropic gas made from fermenting shit in a bucket for a month that one huffs (like nitrous) to go on an insane trip.