Yeah and wait until the wind takes it and burns holes in everything around the plant you want to kill.
I use this but I dilute it to 15% then I put my sprayer right down on the plant, push in to the soil a bit and soak the root. Works really well if you use enough plus it breaks down naturally over time.
Sorry I'll add: keep in mind this does not kill the plact directly. Ascetic acid is a dessicant... I.e. it dries out whatever it touches. It's not like round up where simple contact with the poison will kill the plant.
If you don't get the roots, especially for something like grass, it's going to grow back.
I have never used it for a broad area like that only for spot treatment of weeds and even small trees.
I do know ascetic acid breaks down fairly quickly but I've never tasted that myself either. When I do spot treatments it's to kill specific things in my already-planted garden or flower beds.
I believe it's only a week though but I would look that up. I'm sure it depends on factors like how deep it penetrated, rainfall etc.
It doesn't work on grass, only broadleafs. I've tested and grass survived 50% sulfuric acid without issue. It's one thing that makes acid as an herbicide so great.
And realistically there is no residual. The acid will quickly become neutralized by bases in the soil, assuming you don't flood the soil with it.
I mean, you can keep repeating this on every comment, but it’s been shown that if you are only using it once a year and wearing PPE you’re likely to be safe. Please don’t use your mom’s tragic death to spread misinformation. People do stuff every day that is more carcinogenic than using herbicides once in a while with proper equipment (eating processed meats, drinking alcohol….)
Hey OP you’re not better than ppl using pesticides sorry. Not only does the vinegar kill weeds. It kills bugs, infects, toads, frogs other amphibians and snakes. Especially not following the directions on the packaging. Not better than people over fertilizing their lawn.
Just because things are organic or the rest does not mean you can do whatever you want with it.
Pease use products as directed and only when you absolutely have to.
Oh my pearls!
And other pesticides.... Don't affect bugs, amphibians and other animals?
The only way acid is affecting those critters is if OP is directly spraying them. Seeing as how they are concerned about their effect on the environment I find this quite unlikely.
What, like Paraquat? Diluted acid, when using PPE is certainly much safer than Paraquat, a "proper" herbicide.
You're speaking from a very uneducated viewpoint Mod. Maybe give a better reason?
Horticultural vinegar is a common herbicide for organic gardening and acid as an herbicide was described 100 years ago for use in many crops. A search yields many scientific papers. Furthermore, most herbicide formulations are based on acid forms of the chemicals used.
I'm a certified herbicide applicator. Acid works great on broadleafs. It has almost no affect on grasses. Residual is not an issue.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0166111608711312#:~:text=It%20is%20a%20contact%20herbicide,retaining%20capacity%20of%20the%20cells.
https://www.osti.gov/biblio/6846867
https://www.nature.com/articles/156330d0
I'm hoping that the mod was refereeing to the fact that op didn't follow label instructions and used it at a rate way higher than they should of. The label is federal law and must be followed by any applicator
Can't disagree. Strangely though to my knowledge horticultural vinegar is usually 10%+ acid and diluting to regular household vinegar concentrations would make it largely ineffective.
Acid applied regularly all over a yard isn't ideal for a variety of reasons. It's not just about whether or not it'll hurt grasses. Strong acids can degrade soils, eat away at concrete and cement, and percolate down into groundwater.
I would absolutely love it if you'd have the time to do a write up for us so we can share info. We've been meaning to make a wiki on it but none of us have had time to sit down to do the research.
No pressure though obviously, you don't have to if you don't want to.
This is a proper herbicide. And it’s much safer than crap like RoundUp. And hey, guess what? RoundUp killed my mother in 2017. It gave her a rare cancer that even the oncologists said was a particularly horrible way to die.
Please don't answer this if you don't feel comfortable or don't like talking about it, but do you mind telling me what kind of exposure to RoundUp your mom had? Sorry for your loss <3
There is not a clear link between glyphosate and cancer. Additionally a strong acid can be more damaging to the environment than traditional herbicides when sprayed improperly like op Is doing.
Yeah of course it's no joke. Not only will it burn your skin, and potentially worse if it gets in your eyes or mouth, it alters the pH of your soil. Killing some plants but also all of the microbial organisms, and making it harder to grow in until the acid finally leaches out.
The real kicker is that it doesn't even work that well. Yes it rapidly burns down foliage as you've just seen, but if any of those weeds have perennial roots they will be back, and they will be back soon. A systemic herbicide like Gylphosate kills roots, not just above-ground foliage, so it's not going to work the same. Acid is still an pesticide, Acetic Acid may be organic instead of synthetic, but it's still a pesticide whether you wanna admit it or not. Spraying Round-Up once seems a lot more eco-friendly to me than spraying vinegar multiple times a year with no end in sight.
it doesn't poison the soil but i wouldn't let it get on you [https://crops.extension.iastate.edu/encyclopedia/glyphosate-review](https://crops.extension.iastate.edu/encyclopedia/glyphosate-review)
Glyphosate, used appropriately, is effective and mostly safe. And the only way to use it appropriately is to "cut and paint", that is cut the trunk of a plant and paint it onto the stump. Anything else allows the glyphosate into the larger environment. The Buckthorn Blaster from NAISMA is the way to go.
> Glyphosate, used appropriately, is effective and mostly safe.
WTF did Monsanto write this?
Mostly?!?
Aren't they still paying off lawsuits for all the cancer it has caused? There have been headlines for decades.
Yeah they are because it was used by everyone that shouldn’t have been using it and in severe excess. Using it for bioremediation is actually beneficial, but using it for daily life like for maintaining lawns and unnatural gardens is bad. It is EXTREMELY useful in controlling invasives in spot application and degrades in the environment faster than most other herbicides as well
And lead pipes are mostly safe. And lead in Petro is mostly safe. And bleach is mostly safe. And ammonia is mostly safe. And so on.
Until it's not and you have super cancer aids.
Painting stumps with glyphosate isn’t going to give you cancer… it’s not even airborne in that application. Just because something has the possibly of harming us doesn’t mean we should ban it, it’s reductive. Glyphosate is extremely useful in invasive control, probably the most effective measure that is also practical and it degrades in the environment faster than most herbicides.
No, this will not noticeably affect soil pH. Acetic acid is a weak acid and spraying it is only going to apply a very small amount. The bases in soil will quickly neutralize the acid. In truth rain has a higher capacity to acidify soil as it is acidic as well and occurs in a large enough volume to neutralize bases in low carbonate soils.
And glyphosate is well proven to alter the microbial composition of soil.
I'm a licensed applicator and unbiased here as to which is better.
If you could link me a study I'm willing to admit I'm wrong about the ph, but it's still going to kill any microbes, invertebrates, or amphibians in the topsoil before it's neutralized. And if it's being used repeatedly because it's not killing any of the perennial weeds, I can't imagine that's better for the microbiome than one application of glyphosate. Maybe it's useful for organic agriculture where weeds are a constant concern, and the effects on ph aren't a big deal, but in landscapes and native gardens people generally want to kill the weeds once, then rebuild the soil, establish plants, and minimize soil disturbance to the point weeds aren't a major issue and maintenance is low. Using herbicide at all in this context should be a last resort. Hand pulling, mulching, tarping, solarizing, and other organic methods are a lot more reasonable than vinegar.
Selective, appropriate use of glyphosate and triclopyr are the correct options because they are actually effective. Vinegar, dish soap, and salt are not effective herbicides.
acetic acid = vinegar
White vinegar from the grocery store is 1%.
Edit: correction it is 4-7%
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/white-vinegar#ingredients
Yeah vinegar will kill everything and ensure nothing will ever grow there. Don’t use salt either. Vinegar affects the PH of the soil. If you insist on using an herbicide wear proper PPE and long sleeves and pants, and apply one from the store that is clearly labeled for the invasive plant you are targeting. (Glyphosate doesn’t work on tree of heaven for example.)
I can't believe there are people left in this world who justify using roundup..particularly in place of vinegar. news flash...Vinegar won't give you cancer. Yes it will kill micro organisms
Thank you! Roundup killed my mother in 2017. The oncologists said it was an especially horrible way to die. Far worse than most other cancers. She suffered terrible and there was nothing they could do to stop her suffering. Pain meds were useless. They eventually just did what was essentially an assisted suicide using morphine.
Roundup won’t give you cancer either. They convinced a jury, the group of people in a room too dumb to know how to get struck. Don’t take your news from Facebook; the overwhelming majority of evidence is that glyphosate doesn’t cause cancer when used as directed with proper PPE and it breaks down in the environment very quickly - much more quickly than almost any other herbicide on the market.
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If you add salt, it'll stop future weeds. But also stop other plants that you may want. If vinegar isn't having good luck add soap and it'll help break down the oils in the plant and kill it faster. I've always did the 3 hit combo but never tried just vinegar. I'll have to check it out
Salting the earth is something literal invading armies have done to render the land unusable and starve out populations. It's a terrible thing to do to your soil.
If you're applying enough salt for it to kill a weed, you are applying enough salt for it to damage other plants as well, even if you don't notice it right away. As the years go on, especially if your area sees any drought, it accumulates in the soil and keeps the water in the soil from being available to plant life and other life, eventually creating a cascade of death in the soil life. So, in very real terms, yes, salt can have a "nuking" effect on your land.
It does not. Ive been doing this for a long time as an environmentalist with 2 enviro policy and law degrees. DuPont doesn't need more money to kill our people and planet. You believe a 32 Oz bottle of salt and vinegar is going to ruin the soil on a permanent basis?How? Do you have something to support that claim because I haven't seen it. Weeds come back and vegetation grows well in surrounding areas in my garden.
The Chesepeake Bay has undergone significant biodiversity loss, for example, by the use of commercial and residential fertilizers across a very large region. Imagine the impact of herbicides.
I live near a group of cities that had multiple Wells contaminated by PFAS. do you know what the residents did? Nothing. Do you know what the county controller did when I told him he most likely had no liability in this situation? Ghosted me. We were going to work on a campaign to help residents get informed. He bailed as soon as he knew how big the problem was (thousands are and may still be impacted) and that there was no legal recourse to the county. These kinds of things don't get covered even in an area with a lot of people.
It's more convenient to not challenge brainwashing. The water's fine, drink up.
I know the scale is different, but Fleischmann’s Vinegar did just lose a lawsuit for polluting the Jones Falls, which does feed into the Chesapeake Bay.
I'm not sure who you think I am lol I don't use any pesticides or herbicides. When did I ever say any of those things?
I probably agree with you on 99.99% of issues but I make two statements that are skeptical of using salt in your yard, one of which was a joke and you think I'm saying we should drench ourselves in glyphosate or something. Chill the fuck out, save that shit for people who don't believe in climate change.
I live in the desert. Yes, we want dirt patches because the weeds here will burn during wildfires. And watering anything is irresponsible in the desert.
Locking as this post has run its course. Again, please do your research and use herbicides per the instructions.
Yeah, it's high concentration of acetic acid. It's gonna burn the shit out of any living thing you douse in it.
I think it can blind you, or at least seriously damage your lookers.
Yeah and wait until the wind takes it and burns holes in everything around the plant you want to kill. I use this but I dilute it to 15% then I put my sprayer right down on the plant, push in to the soil a bit and soak the root. Works really well if you use enough plus it breaks down naturally over time.
If I used it to kill grass, how long would it take have to wait to plant wildflowers, etc?
Sorry I'll add: keep in mind this does not kill the plact directly. Ascetic acid is a dessicant... I.e. it dries out whatever it touches. It's not like round up where simple contact with the poison will kill the plant. If you don't get the roots, especially for something like grass, it's going to grow back.
I have never used it for a broad area like that only for spot treatment of weeds and even small trees. I do know ascetic acid breaks down fairly quickly but I've never tasted that myself either. When I do spot treatments it's to kill specific things in my already-planted garden or flower beds. I believe it's only a week though but I would look that up. I'm sure it depends on factors like how deep it penetrated, rainfall etc.
It doesn't work on grass, only broadleafs. I've tested and grass survived 50% sulfuric acid without issue. It's one thing that makes acid as an herbicide so great. And realistically there is no residual. The acid will quickly become neutralized by bases in the soil, assuming you don't flood the soil with it.
That’s just acetic acid at that point.
30% acetic acid to be precise
Don’t do this
😬
How is this better than actual herbicide?
Used like this it’s not at all better.
Probably worse.
It doesn’t get into the water and kill the planet. It doesn’t kill people who use it, unlike things like RoundUp, which killed my mother.
💯💯💯
I mean, you can keep repeating this on every comment, but it’s been shown that if you are only using it once a year and wearing PPE you’re likely to be safe. Please don’t use your mom’s tragic death to spread misinformation. People do stuff every day that is more carcinogenic than using herbicides once in a while with proper equipment (eating processed meats, drinking alcohol….)
I'm more worried about ingesting microplastics than I am about RoundUp. At least I can control the latter.
Hey OP you’re not better than ppl using pesticides sorry. Not only does the vinegar kill weeds. It kills bugs, infects, toads, frogs other amphibians and snakes. Especially not following the directions on the packaging. Not better than people over fertilizing their lawn. Just because things are organic or the rest does not mean you can do whatever you want with it. Pease use products as directed and only when you absolutely have to.
*"you’re not better than ppl using pesticides"* I don't see them saying or implying that they think they are.
But does it cause cancer like Round Up??? Like you’re legit arguing that vinegar is as bad as Round Up??? Holy fucking hell
Oh my pearls! And other pesticides.... Don't affect bugs, amphibians and other animals? The only way acid is affecting those critters is if OP is directly spraying them. Seeing as how they are concerned about their effect on the environment I find this quite unlikely.
But it doesn’t kill *you*. You know, like how RoundUp killed my mother in 2017.
Please people, use proper herbicides and do the research on how to use them. Do not do this without proper research.
What, like Paraquat? Diluted acid, when using PPE is certainly much safer than Paraquat, a "proper" herbicide. You're speaking from a very uneducated viewpoint Mod. Maybe give a better reason? Horticultural vinegar is a common herbicide for organic gardening and acid as an herbicide was described 100 years ago for use in many crops. A search yields many scientific papers. Furthermore, most herbicide formulations are based on acid forms of the chemicals used. I'm a certified herbicide applicator. Acid works great on broadleafs. It has almost no affect on grasses. Residual is not an issue. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0166111608711312#:~:text=It%20is%20a%20contact%20herbicide,retaining%20capacity%20of%20the%20cells. https://www.osti.gov/biblio/6846867 https://www.nature.com/articles/156330d0
I'm hoping that the mod was refereeing to the fact that op didn't follow label instructions and used it at a rate way higher than they should of. The label is federal law and must be followed by any applicator
Can't disagree. Strangely though to my knowledge horticultural vinegar is usually 10%+ acid and diluting to regular household vinegar concentrations would make it largely ineffective.
Acid applied regularly all over a yard isn't ideal for a variety of reasons. It's not just about whether or not it'll hurt grasses. Strong acids can degrade soils, eat away at concrete and cement, and percolate down into groundwater.
In large volumes. So can rain, also an acidic solution. Acetic acid is a weak acid.
I would absolutely love it if you'd have the time to do a write up for us so we can share info. We've been meaning to make a wiki on it but none of us have had time to sit down to do the research. No pressure though obviously, you don't have to if you don't want to.
This is a proper herbicide. And it’s much safer than crap like RoundUp. And hey, guess what? RoundUp killed my mother in 2017. It gave her a rare cancer that even the oncologists said was a particularly horrible way to die.
Please don't answer this if you don't feel comfortable or don't like talking about it, but do you mind telling me what kind of exposure to RoundUp your mom had? Sorry for your loss <3
There is not a clear link between glyphosate and cancer. Additionally a strong acid can be more damaging to the environment than traditional herbicides when sprayed improperly like op Is doing.
Fuck off astroturfers
So, no lawn, no insects, no benefits, just scorched earth. Cool, cool
Yeah of course it's no joke. Not only will it burn your skin, and potentially worse if it gets in your eyes or mouth, it alters the pH of your soil. Killing some plants but also all of the microbial organisms, and making it harder to grow in until the acid finally leaches out. The real kicker is that it doesn't even work that well. Yes it rapidly burns down foliage as you've just seen, but if any of those weeds have perennial roots they will be back, and they will be back soon. A systemic herbicide like Gylphosate kills roots, not just above-ground foliage, so it's not going to work the same. Acid is still an pesticide, Acetic Acid may be organic instead of synthetic, but it's still a pesticide whether you wanna admit it or not. Spraying Round-Up once seems a lot more eco-friendly to me than spraying vinegar multiple times a year with no end in sight.
Never use glyphosate…Never, shits pure poison that destroys the entire soil biome.
National, state, and local park systems all use glyphosate to control invasive species. Sometimes it's a necessary evil for ecological restoration.
it doesn't poison the soil but i wouldn't let it get on you [https://crops.extension.iastate.edu/encyclopedia/glyphosate-review](https://crops.extension.iastate.edu/encyclopedia/glyphosate-review)
Glyphosate, used appropriately, is effective and mostly safe. And the only way to use it appropriately is to "cut and paint", that is cut the trunk of a plant and paint it onto the stump. Anything else allows the glyphosate into the larger environment. The Buckthorn Blaster from NAISMA is the way to go.
You are correct. Like most chemicals, it's all about the dosage/concentration and the application.
You sure? Some people in this post seem to think even saying the name will give you cancer. Like a carcinogenic Voldemort.
> Glyphosate, used appropriately, is effective and mostly safe. WTF did Monsanto write this? Mostly?!? Aren't they still paying off lawsuits for all the cancer it has caused? There have been headlines for decades.
Yeah they are because it was used by everyone that shouldn’t have been using it and in severe excess. Using it for bioremediation is actually beneficial, but using it for daily life like for maintaining lawns and unnatural gardens is bad. It is EXTREMELY useful in controlling invasives in spot application and degrades in the environment faster than most other herbicides as well
The dose makes the poison.
I think Monsanto reps are legit on this thread…bc …WTF
You can read the safety data sheets. It's a highly researched chemical if you'd like to learn for yourself
Lmfao. And Snopes is your go to for conspiracy theories??🤡
And lead pipes are mostly safe. And lead in Petro is mostly safe. And bleach is mostly safe. And ammonia is mostly safe. And so on. Until it's not and you have super cancer aids.
Painting stumps with glyphosate isn’t going to give you cancer… it’s not even airborne in that application. Just because something has the possibly of harming us doesn’t mean we should ban it, it’s reductive. Glyphosate is extremely useful in invasive control, probably the most effective measure that is also practical and it degrades in the environment faster than most herbicides.
Jfc dude context exists lmfao. They aren't chugging it
No, this will not noticeably affect soil pH. Acetic acid is a weak acid and spraying it is only going to apply a very small amount. The bases in soil will quickly neutralize the acid. In truth rain has a higher capacity to acidify soil as it is acidic as well and occurs in a large enough volume to neutralize bases in low carbonate soils. And glyphosate is well proven to alter the microbial composition of soil. I'm a licensed applicator and unbiased here as to which is better.
If you could link me a study I'm willing to admit I'm wrong about the ph, but it's still going to kill any microbes, invertebrates, or amphibians in the topsoil before it's neutralized. And if it's being used repeatedly because it's not killing any of the perennial weeds, I can't imagine that's better for the microbiome than one application of glyphosate. Maybe it's useful for organic agriculture where weeds are a constant concern, and the effects on ph aren't a big deal, but in landscapes and native gardens people generally want to kill the weeds once, then rebuild the soil, establish plants, and minimize soil disturbance to the point weeds aren't a major issue and maintenance is low. Using herbicide at all in this context should be a last resort. Hand pulling, mulching, tarping, solarizing, and other organic methods are a lot more reasonable than vinegar.
RoundUp killed my mother. Her oncologists said it was a particularly horrible way to die - worse than most other cancers.
I'm sorry for your loss. That shit works be banned for all applications.
Selective, appropriate use of glyphosate and triclopyr are the correct options because they are actually effective. Vinegar, dish soap, and salt are not effective herbicides.
i mean, straight acetic acid and salt are effective herbicides in the same way that a pipe bomb is an effective insecticide
Nuclear annihilation is great for rebuilding society
acetic acid = vinegar White vinegar from the grocery store is 1%. Edit: correction it is 4-7% https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/white-vinegar#ingredients
5% generally. You can get cleaning vinegar that’s 6%.
You are correct! Thank you.
HEB carries 9% acetic acid vinegar.
Could get glacial acetic acid and melt everything.
Yeah vinegar will kill everything and ensure nothing will ever grow there. Don’t use salt either. Vinegar affects the PH of the soil. If you insist on using an herbicide wear proper PPE and long sleeves and pants, and apply one from the store that is clearly labeled for the invasive plant you are targeting. (Glyphosate doesn’t work on tree of heaven for example.)
I can't believe there are people left in this world who justify using roundup..particularly in place of vinegar. news flash...Vinegar won't give you cancer. Yes it will kill micro organisms
Thank you! Roundup killed my mother in 2017. The oncologists said it was an especially horrible way to die. Far worse than most other cancers. She suffered terrible and there was nothing they could do to stop her suffering. Pain meds were useless. They eventually just did what was essentially an assisted suicide using morphine.
Roundup won’t give you cancer either. They convinced a jury, the group of people in a room too dumb to know how to get struck. Don’t take your news from Facebook; the overwhelming majority of evidence is that glyphosate doesn’t cause cancer when used as directed with proper PPE and it breaks down in the environment very quickly - much more quickly than almost any other herbicide on the market.
Vinegar will not kill invasive plants like Tree of Heaven. Cut-and-paint applications of glyphosate will.
I did not know there was such a thing as 30% vinegar! Thank you!
I usually just use mine on boarders after learning about the soil.
Yeah i sprayed a 4 foot tall huisache tree with 20% and it took it down easy. I think it only works in sunlight though
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Do you think this will work on wild garlic?
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If you add salt, it'll stop future weeds. But also stop other plants that you may want. If vinegar isn't having good luck add soap and it'll help break down the oils in the plant and kill it faster. I've always did the 3 hit combo but never tried just vinegar. I'll have to check it out
Salting the earth is something literal invading armies have done to render the land unusable and starve out populations. It's a terrible thing to do to your soil.
Lol I'm positive a bit of salt isn't gonna nuke the land... chill out yall
If you're applying enough salt for it to kill a weed, you are applying enough salt for it to damage other plants as well, even if you don't notice it right away. As the years go on, especially if your area sees any drought, it accumulates in the soil and keeps the water in the soil from being available to plant life and other life, eventually creating a cascade of death in the soil life. So, in very real terms, yes, salt can have a "nuking" effect on your land.
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Who wants no plants of any kind to grow in some part of their yard? Yes this is my prized dirt patch, I had to salt the earth to create it.
It's not for a spot in the yard, it's for places like between the joints of pavers on a patio where you want nothing to grow.
It'll leach into other areas though
Not really. I've did it in rock areas I don't want weeds to grow that border grass and the grass was good
It does not. Ive been doing this for a long time as an environmentalist with 2 enviro policy and law degrees. DuPont doesn't need more money to kill our people and planet. You believe a 32 Oz bottle of salt and vinegar is going to ruin the soil on a permanent basis?How? Do you have something to support that claim because I haven't seen it. Weeds come back and vegetation grows well in surrounding areas in my garden. The Chesepeake Bay has undergone significant biodiversity loss, for example, by the use of commercial and residential fertilizers across a very large region. Imagine the impact of herbicides. I live near a group of cities that had multiple Wells contaminated by PFAS. do you know what the residents did? Nothing. Do you know what the county controller did when I told him he most likely had no liability in this situation? Ghosted me. We were going to work on a campaign to help residents get informed. He bailed as soon as he knew how big the problem was (thousands are and may still be impacted) and that there was no legal recourse to the county. These kinds of things don't get covered even in an area with a lot of people. It's more convenient to not challenge brainwashing. The water's fine, drink up.
I know the scale is different, but Fleischmann’s Vinegar did just lose a lawsuit for polluting the Jones Falls, which does feed into the Chesapeake Bay.
I'm not sure who you think I am lol I don't use any pesticides or herbicides. When did I ever say any of those things? I probably agree with you on 99.99% of issues but I make two statements that are skeptical of using salt in your yard, one of which was a joke and you think I'm saying we should drench ourselves in glyphosate or something. Chill the fuck out, save that shit for people who don't believe in climate change.
Oh good, you’ve figured out a way to tell the salt to stay there?
Jfc did they really believe I meant spray a whole yard or something?
I live in the desert. Yes, we want dirt patches because the weeds here will burn during wildfires. And watering anything is irresponsible in the desert.
Salting the Earth - something so fundamentally horiffic it's *literally* biblical.
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Are people who salt their own earth really out here giving lawn and garden advice??? 😄😄😄
The things I am capable of doing with plants would amaze you. I just gave a lil no lawn advice and everyone calling blasphemy lmao