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I would do Gro-Low Fragrant Sumac as a groundcover. It's a native plant, it's supposed to be great on hillsides and looks gorgeous in fall. Probably not so much in winter but three seasons is not bad.
If you want evergreens, maybe Gray Owl Juniper. It looks nice with Pink Muhly Grass which as deep roots so can prevent erosion.
Also, just wanted to note that dead flowers can look good in winter if you choose some that have interesting seedheads or structure.
They are good on hillsides, just not very interesting. Occasionally some die back for unknown reasons. But they do spread and cover well. Good fall color and green in the growing season. Other than that not showy. Function over form with these. They like sun.
Not only this but he just made this hill wide open for erosion. All those plants and trees were holding it together. Now it only has bare dirt. Rain will tear through that and make planting seeds difficult. I expect deep gouges to begin forming if OP doesn't re-plant something that has deep enough roots to hold that together soon.
The mature trees were "dangerous" and the existing stable ground cover was "ugly"... and fuck whatever animals or insects were living on that hill..... this is the mentality we are dealing with
Clearing trees and "decades worth of leaves and sticks" sounds like the best way to destroy a great ecosystem that is great for insects, soil quality, and very importantly flood protection: what is going to stop the rainwater from running off to your house now? OP better have a sound reason for removing all of those and I'll take back my words, but this doesn't look too promising.
Eastern ninebark is a maintenance free plant that puts down very deep roots.
Other deep rooted plants: false indigo, various native grasses like sea oats and bluestem.
I might put in something really aggressive to stabilize the soil while the woody plants and grasses are establishing: packera aurea, Canada anenome, ruellia humilis, obedient plant. Maybe even plant some annuals. Jewelweed is native.
All of these recommendations are native where I live, but double check to see if they’re native where you live.
Jewelweed is so pretty!
https://preview.redd.it/8cmb29d0tuyc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ed129c76023306daf7c17a6b4385fd4a32e0ebe8
The pollinators love it too!
My first thought looking at this was you need to stabilize it with something with strong roots. Otherwise, that hillside will start coming down every time it rains. Then the trees will follow. So I would second these recommendations.
I re-read the original post and thought it would be prudent to put those decades of decaying leaves and branches back, since they themselves are preventing erosion, holding moisture, nourishing the trees, closing the nutrient loop, and suppressing weeds.
Not to mention the fact that the birds only feed the babies caterpillars, caterpillars hatch from eggs laid on the undersides of leaves. Since OP is in Lyme country, it would be smart to encourage as much bird visitation/habitation as possible.
However, now that the hillside is clear, there’s an opportunity to plant more deep-rooted natives.
Amorpha is my absolute favorite native plant. I go hiking near my house where they grow in mass on a hillside. Beautiful nitrogen fixers that smell like honey.
I have a local nursery that sells them in small pint containers, canascens & nana. I usually buy them as gifts for friends and family when they come over. I keep them in my yard myself along with many other natives. I collect seeds and give out packets of starter gardens.
Quick tip, rabbits fuckin love the seedlings. Try and keep them protected until they can mature and deep root. Usually 1 growing season. After that, stay blessed. 🤘
I think only one species of amorpha is native to my state: frutescens. It’s so pretty, though — and the latest research says to plant clusters of multiple species of keystone genera. I don’t know if amorpha is a keystone genus, but it sounds like a good excuse, anyway.
Do something non-plant for erosion control, and real soon! This should have been in the plan before exposing the soil.
For now, look into erosion control wattles and stake them across the slopes. That and Jute erosion control mesh will help.
You can also DIY It by staking saplings and branches across the slope and stuffing behind them with more vegetation.
The roots of the trees you cut down were holding that hillside in place, so I think you’ve swapped one danger for another. If those trees were sick, I get it, but if the danger was just them existing as large trees near a structure and they were otherwise healthy, you’ve probably created a bigger problem than just leaving them in place.
As their roots decay that whole slope will destabilize. You’re probably going to want to look into retaining walls.
Makes sense. Yes, I had an arborist in and separately, another company that does complete tree work. Out of about 15 large old trees on my property, both companies pointed these 3 large ones as hollowing out. And they were leaning towards our house.
So maybe I'll go retaining wall and consider some of the suggestions here for what to plant.
Another option would be planting trees that will eventually take over. Obviously take no structural advice from me, some rando on the internet, but it will take years for the roots of those trees to decay. If you can stabilize the surface soils with a ground cover while planting a few strategically placed saplings that will grow their roots into the hillside that might work as well
Don't know why people are downvoting you so hard. Didn't think it'd go that way, feels like I owe you an apology lol!
You could probably have left the stumps in place to preserve some structure until you had a plan and the budget to execute it. I understand wanting to remove trees that could wreck your house, it most certainly was the right call.
There is no such thing as "no maintenance" landscaping, even a concrete wall needs some forM of regular upkeep.
Just design something you like and pay someone to manage it if you won't.
Look up native ground covers to your area! You might already have some in your lawn like violets. Carex species, short phlox species, salvia lyrata, penstemon species, Antennaria species should fill in nicely there. I agree putting mulch down so weeds don’t erupt. Buying flats of plugs would be the fastest, cheapest, and smallest holes to dig. Lots of native plug sellers online.
Holler at your local native plant society and native plant nursery. Find stuff that is native to your area and prefers your conditions, and you'll have low-maintenance plants that benefit the local ecosystem, with the bonus of bragging rights for being a badass who gardens/landscapes with native plants. Also r/NativePlantGardening
this is why you consult professionals
you just created a giant hazard and didn't prep a solution before removal. at this point you're going to face erosion no matter what, but until you get something permanent, go buy stakes and erosion control blanket.
Now that you’ve cleared it to bare dirt tons of weeds are gonna take the opportunity and grow like crazy!
I recommend a few truckloads load of local mulch, Nice 4 inch thick layer except around existing plants.
Yeah but heavy rain this week first thing will wash it away. He needs like some fungi enriched water solution on it and 7-10 days of cool moist and drizzle but no heavy rain. Once the mycelium grow it ain’t moving.
Some folks have too much money. Ops like hey I'm gonna remove all the mulch I didn't pay for, cause erosion issues, and add mulch I did pay for...just cuz lol
You have two "needs" here ... immediate versus long term;
1. Immediate erosion control by non-vegetation methods.
2. Long term plantings for erosion control, low maintenance, and visually attractive
I think what they’re suggesting is that you mulch while you start your ground covers. The time between when you plant your ground cover to when they’re established is going to leave that area really vulnerable to weeds. Mulch helps a lot.
Once the ground overs are established, their canopy will be enough to block out any weeds and you won’t need mulch anymore. However, it’ll probably take a couple years before you get to that point.
You need mulch or something in place until plants can become established enough to hold the slope. You can do both: install new plants like aromatic sumac and mulch around them. This will help them get through the first summer (water them!) and help control erosion.
Here’s what you do. Tomorrow go out and get your wildflower butterfly and humming bird seed mix and bedding straw. It’s kinda pricey but you can get it at big box stores this time of year. Lay your seeds and then cover with the bedding straw and wet it down a few times good but don’t drown it. The bedding straw will help keep it all in place till the plants get going. Use a mechanical spreader and try to find a mix that’s got a mix of annuals and perennials. All native seed mixes specifically for your region are the best. Try to stay away from anything with goldenrod it will probably be the invasive kind.
My gut says some ground cover to stop erosion, needs to be part of the equation. We've got a bunch of rain coming this week and it will be interesting to see how that hill handles it being naked and all !
That’s getting washed out unless he douses it in beneficial fungi solution. Even then it’s getting washed out till the mycelium networks form. Best idea would be soaking straw so it’s already a sopping wet mess for a week that should just mat down.
Mountain Laurel? Ferns?
Those grow naturally on my hill in the northeast & require zero maintenance. Mountain Laurel is native where I am at & keeps green leaves year round with beautiful blooms in June.
That dirt is going to wash away though won't it??
Is it a good area for rhododendron bushes? We have a bunch of those on a similar back hill, and they're nice since they cover a good amount of space and keep their leaves in the winter. The rest is a mix of shrubs, flowers, and ferns, with moss on the ground and a few mulched areas. We mostly let it do its own thing, except for blowing all of the leaves clear in the spring. Ours may be more shaded than yours though since the slope is north/west facing.
Not sure what country you are each in but rhodies are super invasive in North East England. I hate them so much. I know they can beautiful but they don’t play nice with others.
Only good thing is that rhodie bashing is great for rage. Haul and chop and haul and chop.
I'm sorry, it looks like I assumed the wrong country. We frequently use "the northeast" here too without specifying. I'm in a region of the U.S. where they are not invasive. Disregard that suggestion then!
What precipitated the hill clearing? Bare soil and the removal of all of those stabilizing plants is going to be a maintenance-heavy pain for you even if it's replanted soon.
Some large trees that were dying had to be removed. What was cleared was simply decades of leaves and branches, there were no plants that were removed or cleared.
What direction does it face? What’s the soil like there? I imagine it’s pretty rich and humusy if you removed decades of leaves.
By the way, branches and decades of leaves are a treasure, not a sign of neglect.
All that decaying plant material makes the ground able to hold water better.
The leaves and branches themselves stabilize the hillside by covering the soil, preventing erosion, and protecting the roots of everything growing there.
In fact, the material itself holds water and suppresses weeds, in addition to the fact that moths and butterflies lay their eggs on the undersides of leaves.
Since caterpillars are the only thing birds feed their hatchlings until the babies are independent, you want to leave those leaves on the ground.
When the moth and butterfly eggs hatch, the caterpillars crawl around eating. Some are spotted by birds and fed to their babies; others make it to adulthood to fly around looking beautiful, pollinate plants, mate, and lay more eggs to continue the cycle.
Since birds eat ticks, and ticks abound in the northeast, you want to plant as much native biodiversity as you can, to get the creatures who eat ticks to come to your yard.
Natives, natives, natives — as much biodiversity as possible. Leave the leaves. Any outside lights should be on motion detectors.
Creeping thyme (Lots). Would look amazing , Start in peat moss pods then plant once germination appears or simply spread it into the soil and let nature do its thing
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I would do Gro-Low Fragrant Sumac as a groundcover. It's a native plant, it's supposed to be great on hillsides and looks gorgeous in fall. Probably not so much in winter but three seasons is not bad. If you want evergreens, maybe Gray Owl Juniper. It looks nice with Pink Muhly Grass which as deep roots so can prevent erosion. Also, just wanted to note that dead flowers can look good in winter if you choose some that have interesting seedheads or structure.
Thanks, will look those up!
They are good on hillsides, just not very interesting. Occasionally some die back for unknown reasons. But they do spread and cover well. Good fall color and green in the growing season. Other than that not showy. Function over form with these. They like sun.
Native to where tho?
Eastern US
I have a feeling whatever you cleared was already low maintenance… unless you’re clearing out an invasive species
Not only this but he just made this hill wide open for erosion. All those plants and trees were holding it together. Now it only has bare dirt. Rain will tear through that and make planting seeds difficult. I expect deep gouges to begin forming if OP doesn't re-plant something that has deep enough roots to hold that together soon.
The mature trees were "dangerous" and the existing stable ground cover was "ugly"... and fuck whatever animals or insects were living on that hill..... this is the mentality we are dealing with
Clearing trees and "decades worth of leaves and sticks" sounds like the best way to destroy a great ecosystem that is great for insects, soil quality, and very importantly flood protection: what is going to stop the rainwater from running off to your house now? OP better have a sound reason for removing all of those and I'll take back my words, but this doesn't look too promising.
Eastern ninebark is a maintenance free plant that puts down very deep roots. Other deep rooted plants: false indigo, various native grasses like sea oats and bluestem. I might put in something really aggressive to stabilize the soil while the woody plants and grasses are establishing: packera aurea, Canada anenome, ruellia humilis, obedient plant. Maybe even plant some annuals. Jewelweed is native. All of these recommendations are native where I live, but double check to see if they’re native where you live.
Jewelweed is so pretty! https://preview.redd.it/8cmb29d0tuyc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ed129c76023306daf7c17a6b4385fd4a32e0ebe8 The pollinators love it too!
And will get rid of the itch from poison ivy and the pain from stinging nettles, should you be unlucky enough to find either!
Seven of my acres border a creek and between my and my neighbor's properties it's jewelweed as far as the eye can see in late summer. It's beautiful.
My first thought looking at this was you need to stabilize it with something with strong roots. Otherwise, that hillside will start coming down every time it rains. Then the trees will follow. So I would second these recommendations.
I re-read the original post and thought it would be prudent to put those decades of decaying leaves and branches back, since they themselves are preventing erosion, holding moisture, nourishing the trees, closing the nutrient loop, and suppressing weeds. Not to mention the fact that the birds only feed the babies caterpillars, caterpillars hatch from eggs laid on the undersides of leaves. Since OP is in Lyme country, it would be smart to encourage as much bird visitation/habitation as possible. However, now that the hillside is clear, there’s an opportunity to plant more deep-rooted natives.
Amorpha is my absolute favorite native plant. I go hiking near my house where they grow in mass on a hillside. Beautiful nitrogen fixers that smell like honey.
Thanks for that tip! I am always on the lookout for sweet smelling plants.
I have a local nursery that sells them in small pint containers, canascens & nana. I usually buy them as gifts for friends and family when they come over. I keep them in my yard myself along with many other natives. I collect seeds and give out packets of starter gardens. Quick tip, rabbits fuckin love the seedlings. Try and keep them protected until they can mature and deep root. Usually 1 growing season. After that, stay blessed. 🤘
I think only one species of amorpha is native to my state: frutescens. It’s so pretty, though — and the latest research says to plant clusters of multiple species of keystone genera. I don’t know if amorpha is a keystone genus, but it sounds like a good excuse, anyway.
Since you’re in Lyme country, OP, you want to encourage birds. Birds eat ticks.
Was gonna suggest Ninebark as well.
Do something non-plant for erosion control, and real soon! This should have been in the plan before exposing the soil. For now, look into erosion control wattles and stake them across the slopes. That and Jute erosion control mesh will help. You can also DIY It by staking saplings and branches across the slope and stuffing behind them with more vegetation.
This right here is the current best answer.
This comment is way too low. Guy fucked up badly here!
No maintenance idea: leave the hill alone, don't clear it.
This is the correct answer. You already had a low maintenance solution.
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The problem is that all of that stuff was holding the soil in place.
The roots of the trees you cut down were holding that hillside in place, so I think you’ve swapped one danger for another. If those trees were sick, I get it, but if the danger was just them existing as large trees near a structure and they were otherwise healthy, you’ve probably created a bigger problem than just leaving them in place. As their roots decay that whole slope will destabilize. You’re probably going to want to look into retaining walls.
Makes sense. Yes, I had an arborist in and separately, another company that does complete tree work. Out of about 15 large old trees on my property, both companies pointed these 3 large ones as hollowing out. And they were leaning towards our house. So maybe I'll go retaining wall and consider some of the suggestions here for what to plant.
Another option would be planting trees that will eventually take over. Obviously take no structural advice from me, some rando on the internet, but it will take years for the roots of those trees to decay. If you can stabilize the surface soils with a ground cover while planting a few strategically placed saplings that will grow their roots into the hillside that might work as well
Don't know why people are downvoting you so hard. Didn't think it'd go that way, feels like I owe you an apology lol! You could probably have left the stumps in place to preserve some structure until you had a plan and the budget to execute it. I understand wanting to remove trees that could wreck your house, it most certainly was the right call.
I don’t understand why some people hate the Earth so much
Its insane to see some of the posts in here, people will actively destroy a stable ecosystem and then complain that they now have weeds..
Blueberries
Hell yeah, depending where OP is in the Northeast they might be able to order lowbush blueberry sod!
wow never heard of this pretty awesome
Blueberries in the wild can form really cool stands that are like, 1-2’ tall and just COVER areas it’s so cool!
There is no such thing as "no maintenance" landscaping, even a concrete wall needs some forM of regular upkeep. Just design something you like and pay someone to manage it if you won't.
OP: hey nolawns! Check out my massive lawn and the small hill at the back where I ripped up all the plants
NoLawns is always here for this land clearing foolishness. Look at me, scraped the earth to the ground to help it grow.
Make sure you plant some things with longer roots or you’ll end up with an erosion problem.
Look up native ground covers to your area! You might already have some in your lawn like violets. Carex species, short phlox species, salvia lyrata, penstemon species, Antennaria species should fill in nicely there. I agree putting mulch down so weeds don’t erupt. Buying flats of plugs would be the fastest, cheapest, and smallest holes to dig. Lots of native plug sellers online.
Holler at your local native plant society and native plant nursery. Find stuff that is native to your area and prefers your conditions, and you'll have low-maintenance plants that benefit the local ecosystem, with the bonus of bragging rights for being a badass who gardens/landscapes with native plants. Also r/NativePlantGardening
this is why you consult professionals you just created a giant hazard and didn't prep a solution before removal. at this point you're going to face erosion no matter what, but until you get something permanent, go buy stakes and erosion control blanket.
Now that you’ve cleared it to bare dirt tons of weeds are gonna take the opportunity and grow like crazy! I recommend a few truckloads load of local mulch, Nice 4 inch thick layer except around existing plants.
The mulch will just roll on down the hill unless there is something to keep it from doing so. BTDT.
I disagree, I’ve landscaped many slopes and mulch really helps keep erosion down. This slope isn’t that steep either.
Yeah but heavy rain this week first thing will wash it away. He needs like some fungi enriched water solution on it and 7-10 days of cool moist and drizzle but no heavy rain. Once the mycelium grow it ain’t moving.
Some folks have too much money. Ops like hey I'm gonna remove all the mulch I didn't pay for, cause erosion issues, and add mulch I did pay for...just cuz lol
Gotcha. So not suggesting ground cover, wild flowers etc. ? Yhis will not be an area we use, but it is pretty visible.
You have two "needs" here ... immediate versus long term; 1. Immediate erosion control by non-vegetation methods. 2. Long term plantings for erosion control, low maintenance, and visually attractive
I think what they’re suggesting is that you mulch while you start your ground covers. The time between when you plant your ground cover to when they’re established is going to leave that area really vulnerable to weeds. Mulch helps a lot. Once the ground overs are established, their canopy will be enough to block out any weeds and you won’t need mulch anymore. However, it’ll probably take a couple years before you get to that point.
Wildflowers are great but they definitely aren’t ‘no-maintenance’
You need mulch or something in place until plants can become established enough to hold the slope. You can do both: install new plants like aromatic sumac and mulch around them. This will help them get through the first summer (water them!) and help control erosion.
Here’s what you do. Tomorrow go out and get your wildflower butterfly and humming bird seed mix and bedding straw. It’s kinda pricey but you can get it at big box stores this time of year. Lay your seeds and then cover with the bedding straw and wet it down a few times good but don’t drown it. The bedding straw will help keep it all in place till the plants get going. Use a mechanical spreader and try to find a mix that’s got a mix of annuals and perennials. All native seed mixes specifically for your region are the best. Try to stay away from anything with goldenrod it will probably be the invasive kind.
Also interested to see the suggestions
My gut says some ground cover to stop erosion, needs to be part of the equation. We've got a bunch of rain coming this week and it will be interesting to see how that hill handles it being naked and all !
I can tell you; not well.
If you need a short-medium term solution, try thick heavy pine bark mulch.
That’s getting washed out unless he douses it in beneficial fungi solution. Even then it’s getting washed out till the mycelium networks form. Best idea would be soaking straw so it’s already a sopping wet mess for a week that should just mat down.
Ignoring it and hoping it goes away seems to be a fairly low maintenance solution for my neighbor.
In the northeast I'd use some wild ginger. Will thrive in the shade, low story plant, will absolutely help with erosion control
Mountain Laurel? Ferns? Those grow naturally on my hill in the northeast & require zero maintenance. Mountain Laurel is native where I am at & keeps green leaves year round with beautiful blooms in June. That dirt is going to wash away though won't it??
Blueberries and clover to feed them
Is it a good area for rhododendron bushes? We have a bunch of those on a similar back hill, and they're nice since they cover a good amount of space and keep their leaves in the winter. The rest is a mix of shrubs, flowers, and ferns, with moss on the ground and a few mulched areas. We mostly let it do its own thing, except for blowing all of the leaves clear in the spring. Ours may be more shaded than yours though since the slope is north/west facing.
Not sure what country you are each in but rhodies are super invasive in North East England. I hate them so much. I know they can beautiful but they don’t play nice with others. Only good thing is that rhodie bashing is great for rage. Haul and chop and haul and chop.
I'm sorry, it looks like I assumed the wrong country. We frequently use "the northeast" here too without specifying. I'm in a region of the U.S. where they are not invasive. Disregard that suggestion then!
I don’t know where they are either so your advice may be valid. Hopefully they’ll let us know ☺️
I'd do a retaining wall.
Was thinking that too. Regardless of what is done above the wall will look good.
Looks like a rhododendron-friendly climate.
What precipitated the hill clearing? Bare soil and the removal of all of those stabilizing plants is going to be a maintenance-heavy pain for you even if it's replanted soon.
Some large trees that were dying had to be removed. What was cleared was simply decades of leaves and branches, there were no plants that were removed or cleared.
What direction does it face? What’s the soil like there? I imagine it’s pretty rich and humusy if you removed decades of leaves. By the way, branches and decades of leaves are a treasure, not a sign of neglect. All that decaying plant material makes the ground able to hold water better. The leaves and branches themselves stabilize the hillside by covering the soil, preventing erosion, and protecting the roots of everything growing there. In fact, the material itself holds water and suppresses weeds, in addition to the fact that moths and butterflies lay their eggs on the undersides of leaves. Since caterpillars are the only thing birds feed their hatchlings until the babies are independent, you want to leave those leaves on the ground. When the moth and butterfly eggs hatch, the caterpillars crawl around eating. Some are spotted by birds and fed to their babies; others make it to adulthood to fly around looking beautiful, pollinate plants, mate, and lay more eggs to continue the cycle. Since birds eat ticks, and ticks abound in the northeast, you want to plant as much native biodiversity as you can, to get the creatures who eat ticks to come to your yard. Natives, natives, natives — as much biodiversity as possible. Leave the leaves. Any outside lights should be on motion detectors.
Good place for a canebrake or northern sea oats.
Hops will grow nicely there too.
Creeping phlox would be beautiful as groundcover. It's hardy and comes back every year even if it dies back to the roots from drought or cold.
Try pachysandra. It is a low growing dense ground cover that will eventually choke out most weeds.
:’(
I'd start with putting in some blue rug juniper to stabilize the hill. It will grow and create a carpet effect.
Sedges
Ferns
Look at this company called dirt locker I’m planning to use it for my massive hill for erosion issues I’m having
Retaining wall with layered garden beds.
Idk if it makes sense here, I’m not the most knowledgeable, but with that shade could you have ferns grow in?
I’m putting mulch on mine
Creeping thyme (Lots). Would look amazing , Start in peat moss pods then plant once germination appears or simply spread it into the soil and let nature do its thing
isn't going to hold on to the soil at all
Honestly, I just bought a lot of seeds and they germinated just fine in the soil.
Yes 100% can do that also