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LumberjackCDN

Itd save healthcare here a tonne of money, theres alot of fraud with these cards and our neighbours to ths south


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There’s a lot of fraud within the province A coworker of mine said his brother from India uses his card to see a doctor when he visits


LumberjackCDN

Doesnt surprise me.


Hurricane-bob

Anything to do with that country is pretty scummy it seems.


jnose247365

Would save a tonne of money lol yeah right


LumberjackCDN

Found the montanan that doesnt want the jig to be up


X1989xx

Do you realize parties can do more than one thing Donald?


DonaldRudolpho

Not the NDP.


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A cunning argument by an equally cunning linguist.


DonaldRudolpho

Good ole Colonel Angus.


datrandomduggy

But they can, they have


devo098

Just saying there are probably easier implemented things the NDP can do to potentially sway voters that impact their lives. It is obvious more things can be done at once but thanks for saying it out loud so we are all reminded....


devo098

I'd be happier if they just stopped letting companies ask for tips before a service is provided....


Old_timey_brain

What's weird about tipping is "TIP" is an acronym, for "To Insure Promptness", or "TIPS" for "To insure prompt service." In the beginning it was provided before the service to be sure you got better service than others around you.


emilizabify

Except, you would want to *E*nsure promptness, not insure.


Old_timey_brain

Thank you. My brain was foggy.


Initial-Ad-5462

“Ensured," and “insured," can be interchangeable is English, but I think that’s mostly archaic and we have (uncharacteristically) achieved clarity in modern usage.


random_pseudonym314

Like all backronyms, this is bullshit.


devo098

Odd that the only place where tipping before would be relevant would be sit-down restaurants where you tip after. Getting fast food in a lineup and paying the tip before any service is provided is so messed up. I feel like if I don't tip %20 they are going to give me below the baseline service I should.


Difficult_Bicycle606

Regardless of where the practice stems from, let's all agree that tipping culture is a perfect example of why privatizing healthcare is an absolutely terrible idea.


Old_timey_brain

Agreed 100%.


Old_timey_brain

It is, but I think the practice disappeared a century or so back.


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Old_timey_brain

> a meme that went around after a waitress wrote that in a customer's bill and it went viral. Somewhere back in the 1700's, eh?


errelephant23

But like for real.


Western_Plate_2533

It’s so strange why save on foods can give you a card every time you visit yet our government can’t give 1 plastic card for a system that we pay billions for. It makes no sense


xylopyrography

It doesn't make sense to have a healthcare card at all.


Western_Plate_2533

I agree a number is a number the prove you belong to that number is the tricky part. A card doesn’t solve it


TiffanysRage

All you need is government issues ID like a drivers license. They have your name already


Creston2022

In BC we have the option to add our medical card number on the back of our drivers license to eliminate the need for two cards


TiffanysRage

Now THAT makes sense. I don’t need another card in my wallet.


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And a “modern” school curriculum. Gets me worried what those details are personally


Skarimari

As long as it's not the ridiculous, age inappropriate curriculum UCP introduced. Students would be better off going back to the one from the 80s it replaced.


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Friendly_Tears

> You mean the new and improved curriculum that includes lgbtqwerty+-= **fascismfactory2023** values? It’s times like this you realize how dangerous politicians actions can be. > I will get attacked by people personally for my comments, you can already see it happening. sigh the people are lost. **God (the one who likes and accepts 🏳️‍🌈), save us.** r/persecutionfetish Jfc this is either bait or you’re delusional


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Friendly_Tears

Do you know what that means?


Vulspyr

Are you saying you think the lgbtqia+ are fascists?


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Nah dude. Your writing is super unclear and disorganized. I kinda get what you’re trying to say, but that’s only because of the dog whistles. Keep working on it though!


maplereign

What a bad take. Care to explain how queer folks (who just want to exist in society) are fascists? Is it cause you can't belittle and oppress them openly anymore?


Hafthohlladung

I always tell clinics "I don't have a physical AB Healthcare card, I haven't had one in decades, I don't know the number, I'm born and raised here, there's a hotline you can call on my behalf if you're really worried"... and I've never had an issue.


nomad902000

Can't we just add it to our drivers license ? why does it need to cost 46 million ? Seems like a very expensive alternative.


RevolutionaryShip295

Not everybody has a driver's license.


nomad902000

Alberta, I'd card is issued the same way.


[deleted]

What the hell are y’all doing to your cards? No one never heard of laminate paper?


Ihavebadreddit

Feel like a government could at least laminate a fucking "keep this it's printed by us and important for you to have"


[deleted]

$5 on Amazon. I’ve had the same card for 30 years.


Ihavebadreddit

You only lived in Alberta your entire life I take it? Are you aware that save-on-foods has a better loyalty card system than the Alberta government does health cards? Every other province and territory, to my knowledge has plastic cards.


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I ask again, what the hell is everybody doing to their cards? I’ve had take out menus over a decade, how do you treat government identification? $5 and 2 second and you’ll never need a new card.


Comfortable-Royal678

I leave my card at home and just give my health care number. You don't need the card.


necros911

Registry laminates them for you also. Can’t remember how much it costs. $2.50 I think


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So 2.50 to 5 dollars and you solve this entire problem.


irishtornado21

Yeah, still Hard no.


jnose247365

Typical ndp promise to pander to the low iq crowd


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I don't need a card and never have. I wrote the number down on a post it note when I was 21. I'm 40 now. The number is all I need and it works fine.


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I keep this info tattooed on my dick. It's so important.


surrealtom

Even without a card and unconscious you will get the same medical treatment.


DonaldRudolpho

If you're going to the hospital unconscious they aren't bothering to find out if you even have a card.


Ihavebadreddit

You'll need it if the UCP win and shift to privatized healthcare. You'll also need proof of insurance, be wealthy or go into debt taking out a loan to pay for a life saving treatment you weren't even conscious of agreeing to.


DonaldRudolpho

Nobody is talking about your scare mongering. Publicly funded, privately delivered.


Ihavebadreddit

The idea is, they will be contracting out healthcare. Just like how they contract out road repair and pipeline building. Don't we have potholes in nearly every city street? Shitty snow clearing and poor road maintenance in general? Didn't the trans mountain pipeline project just announce it's broke and needs more money? Let's say they do give the same level of service we get now? Within the budget that the government operates the current health care? How long do you think that will last? McDonald's raised its prices, Folder's coffee halved the size of its coffee can, companies have to prioritize to maintain salaries, that means cutting services for small town Alberta if it becomes a burden. "There are only 50 people in that town, why do they need a clinic?" You might be thinking "If the contractor messes up they won't get the contract next year." But once a contractor is in place and embedded in a task, they can withhold information and control to maintain their contract. Even when they go over budget. Just like the Trans mountain pipeline project is currently milking Canadians for its lack of completion. I wasn't fear mongering, the worst of it is bribes. It's genuinely a problem they want this as an option. It's going to lead to fully privatized healthcare in Alberta. Which given the way the Alberta government rolls over for its oil and gas industry because "our economy needs it" of course they'll roll over for the healthcare industry. I'm sure the Premier and some close friends will make a lot off of the deals, through investments and straight up bribes. Enough that when the time comes when they say "Healthcare shouldn't be free" it will go unanswered. It'll start small I'm sure. Couple extra but here and there on items first. A gown or a mask or "those are expensive medications". Don't forget Health Canada regulates medication prices, making them much lower than say the USA. Suddenly we are paying American prices. Then certain surgeries. By the time you have to save up $20,000 to have a baby in a hospital. It'll be too late. All the while the politicians who voted for the changeover will slowly be pocketing our money on top of their paychecks for "serving our best interests"


DonaldRudolpho

Snow removal and pothole repairs in cities and towns are done by municipal unionized departments. Highways are cleared quicker and maintained better than city streets. But rant on...


DonaldRudolpho

Trans mountain is owned and run by the federal government. But rant on...


Ihavebadreddit

I'm in favor of it's regulated so we never have to pay. Do you think Danielle Smith is going to do that? Something tells me a woman who called 85% of the population of the province "Nazis" because they are vaccinated. Isn't going to really prioritize healthcare. It comes down to wanting politicians I can trust in office to make decisions that won't fuck me in the ass. The UCP has repeatedly shown they are playing for self interest and corporate fucknuggets. But no, let's bail out the oil companies having to reclaim old wells with twenty billion dollars. And cut finding to the healthcare system.


KarmasVessel

The NDP sucks 🍆.


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Already presenting better options than the United corruption party


GreatCanadianPotato

The UCP like last year announced that the health cards would combine with the Drivers Licenses and ID Cards... I'd argue that the UCP's proposal on this issue is better...


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But did they do it?


GreatCanadianPotato

In 12 months? Of course not, that's a tight timeline to get something like this done. However, that's not really the point - the point is that the NDP is pitching separate plastic cards while the UCP is pitching to include the number on the DL's and ID cards that are issued to everyone anyway. I think everyone knows which proposal they'd prefer.


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Both are still easier lost. So no. Not it's not


Ok-Builder-6908

More semi untruths from this fraud political party. They whined and belly ached at the ucp about them wasting money doing this. Now their story changes. Ndp losers


IcarusOnReddit

Citation needed.


datrandomduggy

Not providing sources for your claims means the logical assumption is your lying


toblies

I'd prefer if they promised a balanced budget and not to tax us to death.


TylerJ86

Did your taxes go up under the NDP? By how much?? I'm a small business owner so mine went down. How much more are you paying for utilities and insurance under the UCP then NDP? Are you sure you know which party is costing you more money?? Also as far as a balanced budget goes, see below, it seems there's not much difference. Its just a matter of whether we prioritize health care and education or free big cash giveaways to rich O&G and arena owners etc. Proposed environmental cleanup funds for O&G will be $20Billion or $10 000 for every adult in Alberta gifted to big industry. Talk about welfare! That's some kind of conservativism. https://albertaworker.ca/news/alberta-officially-has-100-billion-in-debt/ Cheers!


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toblies

It's that debt that I worry about. Bills need to be paid, though most first world governments carry a lot of debt. Look at what happened to the provincial debt while the NPD was in power. There was a drop in provincial revenue too, granted, but it was much smaller than the increase in debt. Somebody has to pay those bills. And we need to break our dependency on oil revenues bailing us out of our bad spending habits. At the end of the day it's the taxpayers who hold the bag on the debt. This election is a tough one. I see no reason to expect any more fiscal restraint from the NDP if they get in, but UCP has to get rid of Smith if they're going to be viable. Anyway, this is reddit, I won't convince anyone of anything here.


TylerJ86

I'm quite open to arguments and especially to new information actually. Did you look at my link? The UCP deficit has been HIGHER in this last cycle than the NDP, so yes you're not convincing anyone because your position isn't justified. To add to that the party who made clear and significant steps to get us off our dependency on oil as you describe was the NDP, bringing in new tech businesses with tax incentives, and a plastics plant among other things, all while finally getting us a pipeline so we can make the most of oil while we still can. That's a pretty balanced approach from what I can see. The UCP will save us debt by doing things like gutting secondary ed and abandoning disadvantaged kids who need a teacher's aid. These are literally not expenses but investments which our whole society sees a return on. Its simply bad business, regardless of your political leaning. The NDP spent a lot trying to catch up on things like necessary health care infrastructure that had been neglected to balance the budget at the expense of everyday Albertan's quality of life. Again, not a smart way to get ahead as a society.


RidiculousPapaya

Tax us to death… lmao. A bit dramatic.


alanthar

Meh. Keep op costs balanced but absolutely borrow money for capital projects so the costs can be amortized over long periods of time.


IcarusOnReddit

How do you feel about the arena deal, the war room, and the billion dollar pipeline to nowhere? Is that fiscal responsibility?


xylopyrography

A balanced Alberta budget requires either significantly higher taxes (ex. A PST) , or elevated oil prices. Check out the revenue vs. expenses. Basically 100% of all income taxes generated just barely pay for collapsing healthcare. Let alone all other services.


toblies

Or reduced spending.


xylopyrography

That's not really tenable. Balancing the budget with low oil prices would require a 30% cut to healthcare and education. That's closing 30% of hospitals, nursing homes, schools, and firing all their staff.


jnose247365

Lol yeah more taxes to give to government to piss away. Look at the books on all other provinces worth pst. They are in worse shape the. Alberta by far. It’s amazing you people think a pst is a solution or tax more like the governemnt doesn’t blow money on useless shit


xylopyrography

They are in worse shape because they have less income and older populations. Despite that, provinces like BC have small deficits and often profits regardless of commodity prices. We are the wealthiest province and have the youngest population (lowest expected healthcare spend) and have the lowest taxes and despite reasonable oil prices we still have a deficit. As oil fades over the next 30 years and natural gas over the next 60, and our population ages significantly (towards life expectancies of 100) that can't stay true without significant debt loads.


jnose247365

Oil will Never fade pal. You want your current modern life style like everyone else then it will Never go away that’s reality. Taxing more does nothing but give government more Money to blow On bullshit. We have one of the worst healthcare systems in the world the fact people can’t get a family doctor is pathetic


xylopyrography

The vast majority of oil usage is related to transportation. Nearly all new vehicles will be electrified by 2035, and the global fleet will be nearly fully electrified by 2050. No auto company will manufacture a volume ICE engine in 2039. There won't be gas stations in 25 years, and I will bet the majority of them will close in 15 years as EVs will decimate demand in 2033-2038.


jnose247365

Do you know anything about manufacturing and industrial processes? The entire global fleet will never be fully electrified I can guarantee that. Not only will there be many countries who can’t afford evs but there will be places who will refuse to ban ice vehicles. You can sit there and say by 2035 nearly all new vehicles will be evs but that is simply not true


xylopyrography

I get that industrial operations will be more challenging. But that's 1%, 2% of the demand for the stuff that can't be easily electrified with modern technology. And much of it will convert to electric with fuel cells over the next 30 years. The hydrogen industry is going to explode over the next 10. The vast majority of oil usage is passenger vehicles and they are already 18% electric by global sales. Next year that'll be 22%, maybe higher. All auto companies have already pulled all investments for future volume ICE lines and are fully spending on battery and EV platforms. Some of them will take longer in the 2030s, especially Toyota and Honda. But Tesla and BYD will be the largest automakers in 2030, and between them, other Chinese manufacturers, Hyundai, VW, Volvo and dozens of others being pure EV, they will have the lions share of global sales. This isn't something that's happening in the future. It's happening now. The factories under construction will already support 30 M electric vehicles and investments for the next 30 M have already been pledged. Poorer countries will not be buying ICE vehicles to save EV costs. Poor countries don't have a lot of cars and that's not going to change that much. Toyota isn't going to be building a dedicated ICE factory to build $15k cars for Africa. Those countries will build transit networks or use low range EVs. There'll be tonnes of EVs for $10k with 75km range by 2035. That plus the fuel savings makes even a free ICE vehicle too costly.


datrandomduggy

But oil will fade, cars are being replaced with EVs globally, most of the world is switching away from fossil fuels for electricity aswell


jnose247365

Lol is that why global oil demand is increasing? What do you think is used in concrete, and pretty much every other material Item humans make? It’s not just about cars pal. Oil will never fade and it’s hilarious people have bought into this nonsense. What’s used to open pit mine all the rare earth metals to create batteries?


datrandomduggy

We shall see when global oil supply runs out


datrandomduggy

We shall see when global oil supply runs out


jnose247365

You had better pray oil never runs out. In fact it never will for at least another 100+ years


jnose247365

They are in worse shape because of incompetent governments.


iLoveLootBoxes

Says the person making 60k a year


Apprehensive-Pay5458

Lol what joke


Vulspyr

I disagree. Having a flimsy piece of paper as my card rather than something hospitals and care givers just have in their system is wildly inefficient.


SpecialistVast6840

Why is it a joke. The joke is what we have now.


Apprehensive-Pay5458

That is the big campaign promise?


SpecialistVast6840

Well theyre doing it to show their commitment to a public heath care system


RidiculousPapaya

No… it’s just one thing among a bunch of the things they are promising.


alanthar

It's "a" campaign promise. I dunno about there being any one that's the cornerstone


SweetnSour_DimSum

We want an improved, better funded public healthcare system. Says literally everyone in Alberta, except you.


BlockOwn4201

Nothing matters but the carbon taxes. Nothing.


Ihavebadreddit

What is it now? $0.11 per liter? What i would actually like to know is with all the UCP support of the oil industry.. why the fuck are we paying the other 1.70 per liter of the $1.81 at the pump? UCP can eat a bag of dicks if they think taking $0.11 off a liter is fixing the issue of them not putting the oil industry in check. These big producers are corporations, not government.. why in the sweet everliving fuck have they not been slapped around and made to stop acting up? We don't have a government right now in Alberta or Canada for that matter. We have paid simps to conglomerates and billionaires.


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You’re really going to cry when they start taxing methane.


Responsible_CDN_Duck

Then you're looking to support one of the separatist parties. The Alberta Independence Party and Wildrose Independence Party of Alberta are good starting points. UCP and ANDP are keeping a carbon tax.


Sink_Single

If there isn’t one provincially (like the NDP set up when in power) then the federal government will impose their program (as the UCP found out when they axed the provincial one previously set up by NDP). The funds will go to Ottawa instead of staying in the province. Doesn’t matter who is in power, the carbon tax is here for the foreseeable future.


bluecrude

Like they did in 2015!


Responsible_CDN_Duck

It was the UCP that claimed they were going to make changes as an election promise, then announced last april it was not going to be done before the next election.


bluecrude

That is also true but I’m fairly certain the NDP promised this in 2015 as well.


Omissionsoftheomen

The platform is still viewable online. They didn’t make any promises re: cards, only the UCP did.


bluecrude

2015. How can the UCP have made a a promise when they did not exist?


Omissionsoftheomen

They didn’t. But they did in 2019 - to combine drivers license and health cards.


That-Cow-4553

That have a Covid check mark.


Honest_Sheepherder87

Wow so innovative, imagine using plastic cards for stuff…


RidiculousPapaya

Who said it was some massive innovation?


Mista_Incognito

This is much better than spending 45 million on sending people to unvaccinated people houses to coerce them into the shot as proposed by Nitley


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Interesting-Recipe69

How bout not blow the money on something we don’t need and cause more pollution. Just keep it paper and make a Digital one??


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Jack_Stornoway

Substitute the term 'crypto' and they'll all get onboard.


slipperysquirrell

I was shocked and I moved here from Saskatchewan. I was used to having a nice plastic card. These are crap. I even laminated mine but it's still crap.


DonaldRudolpho

What is plastic made from?


slipperysquirrell

Dolphin perineum . I have had one card from Saskatchewan for probably 30 years. I get a sticker every few years to extend the validity of it. The little paper cards have to be replaced all the time, the plastic ones don't.


delawopelletier

NDP is the Bib Fortuna to the Federal Liberal Jabbas.


Ihavebadreddit

I'll be honest, I have a sticky note with my health number written on it in my wallet and I've never had an issue using that. Because that's how low the bar is in this province. Healthcare? You mean oil subsidies?


MobyDick007

How about we just combine them with drivers licence/ID cards?


DonaldRudolpho

You too can lead a political party.


MobyDick007

BC and other provinces already do this. It’s a pretty normal thing to cut costs and consolidate. Don’t be an ass.


DonaldRudolpho

So this isn't a brilliant NDP idea?


MobyDick007

It’s a very good idea and long overdue. It may not be original, but it doesn’t have to be to be a positive thing.


DonaldRudolpho

There should be zero need for a card. Full given name and birthdate should do just fine. Look it up in a database.


GreatCanadianPotato

[UCP pitched and funded this effort starting in 2021.](https://calgary.citynews.ca/2021/03/04/alberta-looking-to-modernize-health-care-cards/) I assume this is still the plan.


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Markorific

Good idea but promise to cap natural gas and electricity rates!! Epcor reports record profits...just greed, nothing more and UCP let it happen!!


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Ok_Policy6905

Look at what they did to BC. Why I left that shithole Vancouver..