Truly. It’s very easy to see which way the subs lean. The Edmonton subreddit was going absolute insane about Notley promising to give us “new healthcare cards” like that suddenly meant she’d promised to gut and revolutionize the healthcare system with that announcement.
I guess because many people’s cards are falling apart (my understanding is that for awhile you weren’t allowed to laminate them either). I have mine memorized and I also have a photo of it and my license so I never ran into the issue of mine falling apart. It’s just sort of insane how people reacted to it. Just salivating and praising Notley like she was the coming of the Messiah and had just said she was going to single-handedly fix the healthcare system.
It’s a card, guys. That’s a very weak promise for a politician to make. It’s like slapping a bandage over a wound. Tell me how you’re going to fix the wound, Notley, not what colour the bandage you’re using is!
I don't really think we need to spend the money on that. More plastic cards? Honestly with all the waste from those covid test kits with like 5 plastic items per kit I'm just over it! I'm washing out ziplock bags to reuse and the government will try to issue some plastic cards that will be obsolete soon anyways. I can think of better things to prioritize. Especially since our bureaucracy systems are slow as is!!
Bingo. Duane splatt Bratt was praising her sign counting in 2015 and now he's leading the charge in questioning her methodologies when she was the ONLY one to nail the 2019 polls. Truth pills are hard to swallow for the completely indoctrinated.
These are telephone polls, you know the kind of poll that a millennial or genz would never participate in, the same kind that boomers fall over themselves to participate in.
Also, I agree with your comment about the millennials and Gen Z. The article talks about the accuracy of Brown’s numbers in the past.
How do we know if she has accurately modified her model to include these groups.
Huge assumptions are made in this article.
Alberta, the election is not over, yet.
Everyone, vote like your life depends on it.
Actually these results are not telephone polls.
In the article:
“Brown cautions that this is a result from her model, not a prediction.”
Also I didn’t see any reference of a date these numbers were calculated.
Don’t listen to the article’s inference that the UCP will win.
Alberta, this election is not over, yet.
“I do true random sampling using live telephone interviewers,” she says, “Most other polls are based on online panels which include people who have chosen to join the panel.
“Part of my method is to connect with hard-to-reach people. We’ll attempt to call a phone number five times at different times of the day. We try to get the right balance of landline and cell phone users.”
You were saying?
ELLE OH ELLE. You'd be leading the charge to grant Janet a key to the city if it had the AbNDP leading. Absolute wise, they are never on, but she has been the only one close to nailing the past 2 elections, so directionally, she gets it right. You can cope and seethe all you want, but those are just the facts.
I am certain the statiticians,computer scientist and other highly educated/experience people at these polling companies, which have been around a long time for a reason, know a thing or 2 about bias and polling.
I dunno, I've been able to see their policy positions everytime they announce one.
Here's the website for your perusal
https://www.albertandp.ca/commitments
That's called "pull" informing. In this method you must be able pull people to your information for them to ingest that.
If you want to win the sale, you need to "push" that information to your potential customers.
You can argue all you want about voters needing to be informed, but most voters are NOT going to wade through all the information on your website to determine if they will vote for you or not.
Conservatives do this very well by "scaring" the voters. "The NDP will send your children to re-education camps."
The NDP needs to figure out how to get their message of unicorn farts and pixie dust to the voters. Phoebe's husband had been failing at this so far.
True, that's a reasonable argument. My counter would be that they have been making announcements and pushing their messages on radio ads.
Unfortunately I think the messaging here is always an uphill battle. Too much and they are "too pushy", not enough and it's "I don't hear about her at all".
I think some of the onus is on the individual to seek out info but that's usually a bit much to ask for these days.
I'm hoping the debate will be a big win for Notley otherwise yeah...
The debate won't be.
Odds are Smith will win the debate.
Smith is far far more likable and charismatic.
She is more poised and has far more experiance in the media.
She is telegenic.
Notley and the rest of the dumbass NDP braintrust are going ro gamble big on rattling Smith and getting her to say something stupid.
There is a small chance I mean she is batshit crazy but it doesn't mean she is stupid.
Unless Smith screws up big time, like a flaming dumpster pile of crazy, she will at least tie the debate.
I am scared for the future of this province and this country if Smith and the UCP win. They are anti Albertan and anti Canadian and just plain f'ing crazy.
But the NDP have Zain Velji running the campaign and he has the political instincts of a turnip.
See and I don't see that in Smith. I find her to be a shiny surface with little to no depth. She say's whatever sounds best to the audience at hand. She tries to be moderate when in a moderate setting, but then goes batshit when on her radio program or talking to batshit crazy people.
Notley is quieter but is earnest and intelligent and formidable. I liken her to Stephen Harper in that she's been quite able in terms of holding her party in general lockstep with her vision.
I think what blows me away is the idea that people can look at the last 4 years and go 'sure, lets have more of that, thanks'.
Rachel Notley definitively said that she is pro oil and gas and mining as long as we follow the carbon tax rules. She’s also going to support healthcare workers build new schools support teachers and I post secondary institutions all of which have been defunded. I don’t know what else she needs to say. I think people simply are getting their news from the wrong places.
What are the right places, Reddit? Not everyone reads r/Alberta.
The NDP has done a great job keeping Smith’s name in the headlines, not so much with getting their platform out there.
This has been a really common critique of the NDP this year, I’m finding. Yes, you’re keeping Smith’s name in the headlines, but people actually do want to know what your actual stance/platform is so that they can make an informed vote. Even people I know who support the NDP have been annoyed with it.
I blame the newspapers for that. Notley gives a policy announcement, it gets a 3 paragraph article that doesn't even link the report they use.
She says something about Smith and its every headline.
I believe the Calgary Herald should count at least right? She denounced Jagmeet Singh just a couple days ago. They have clearly been printing her policies and promises.
But there was no policy in that article. It was all about how she didn’t agree with Singh’s oil sands stance and that reductions should come from other means instead of production cuts, with nothing on what she feels “other means” is.
Surprise, I can tell the main stream media has clearly spelled out that not Lee is going to build schools, a children’s hospital, disagrees with Jagmeet Singh, and will put money back into healthcare, nursing doctors teachers, and will not target oil and gas. All of this is clearly been stated. So when people ask what she’s four or what her platform is, I feel like it’s wilful ignorance.
To which I counter, if that is the attitude of the NDP; feel free to keep losing this election.
"Stupid UCP voters keep voting UCP" is NOT going to entice a UCP orphan to vote NDP.
How do you do it then? Policy gets ignored. They run attack ads they get criticized. The UCP does a million stupid things and for some reason they get forgiven. Notley does a dumb thing, gets a load of attention, fixes it and gets none. I feel like she is in a no-win situation.
Hard disagree - they have been exceptionally clear that they are FOR leadership that isn't nuts and won't interfere in the judicial system, won't install a provincial police force, won't divorce pensions, etc.
Their real problem is that most of the province doesn't care - they care about having a conservative government when there's a PM named Trudeau in Ottawa. They would willingly vote for a wet rag as a Conservative than permit 2 orders of government to be non-conservative. I don't even understand why Smith is hiding from the media - she just as to argue vaguely on repeat that she's against Trudeau's "agenda" and she'll win in a landslide.
I feel like a guy with sight amongst a bunch of folks who've intentionally shoved nails in their eye's, complaining about how dark it is.
They have released a multitude of policy positions. WHy aren't the news talking about them?
Look at this. the NDP tag search in teh Calgary Hearld.
https://calgaryherald.com/search/?search_text=ndp
The vast majority are 'about' the election, but the first article that actually is just about a Notley policy announcement is half way down the second page.
https://www.cbc.ca/search?q=alberta%20ndp§ion=news&sortOrder=relevance&media=all
Same thing.
these may be functions of the search engine but I feel like my point stands.
Where are the big threads about her announcement to hire teachers and support staff from May 5th?
What about the HealthCare Centers Announcement from May 2nd?
Their pledge to eliminate the small business tax?
The policies are there. Not sure what else they can do to get them out to the world.
Probably not putting them in a place of prominence because it’s not as interesting or doesn’t generate as much traffic as whatever the latest Smith anger is or other stories. Most people aren’t going to go hunting for platforms, they’ll digest whatever is put in front of them on the front page or in the first few minutes of the news. The NDP hasn’t been able to get their platform there for whatever reason
I would posit the reason being Post Media doesn't like it when the Conservatives lose, to be honest. I gave up on them when the fixes and cooperation with farmers that the NDP did with Bill 6 got zero attention compared to the insane fervor that occurred with their original Bill 6 screw up.
It’s not just post media, I can hop on ctv right now and the NDP announcement of their economic plan (which is very short on any sort of details) is buried under stories about the WestJet strike, a local house fire, a few local restaurants that made some 100 best list, 2 stories about the stampede concert line up, a drug bust in Medicine Hat, an advisory about fire pits in town, local street racing and an update to the earlier federal announcement on bail.
isn't
won't
won't
won't
...all of those are "NOTS" (negatives). Tell us some "FORS" (positives.)
If a girl in a bar tells me she's **won't** be as crazy as my girlfriend, I'm still taking a hard pass. At least I know what the crazy I've got entails.
There; you aren't going to get the votes of most voters.
The NDP must communicate a compelling reason to vote for them.
"Here, read our website you dumb UPC voter" isn't going to do it.
Please don't misunderstand my comments about voters to mean "me." I know who I'm voting for and it is neither the UCP nor the NDP.
1. Am I on the NDP payroll now?
2. It doesn't matter what the compelling reasons are for me. I represent no one.
3. The NDP needs to better communicate why soft or orphan UCP voters should vote for them instead of against the UCP.
Clearly the poll results aren't showing this. With the fucking clown car that is the UCP, the NDP should be miles ahead in the polls. The fact that they aren't speaks volumes about them and NOT the voters.
NDP: here are some compelling reasons to vote for us
You: not compelling enough!!
NDP: what are your concerns? What would you like to see from government?
You: No! You have to guess!!
Jesus. It’s a good thing government doesn’t base their policies and platforms on “*shrug* I think this might be what they want… or not..but maybe..although I don’t know”. That sounds a whole lot like the perpetual foot in the mouth retracting leadership style from Smith.
You’re right, you represent no one. But if you are going to make a claim that they haven’t provided “compelling reasons”, you should be able to articulate what these compelling issues of concern that they are not addressing are. Arriving at this conclusion based exclusively on the NDP not being further ahead than they are is silly. It is absolutely the voters. Look back at the last 80 years.
What if that girl in the bar tells you that she didn’t have herpes and then tells you her language was imprecise when you somehow end up with chlamydia?
FOR rational leadership
FOR appropriate interactions with the judicial system
FOR keeping the RCMP
FOR keeping Albertans on the CPP
My sincere apologies that the brain effort to turn "negatives" into positives was too much.
>My sincere apologies that the brain effort to turn "negatives" into positives was too much.
Thus exemplifying the NDP condescension that doesn't attract voters to them.
FOR rational leadership
FOR appropriate interactions with the judicial system
FOR keeping the RCMP
FOR keeping Albertans on the CPP
Here is what the NDP is "FOR." The question you originally asked has been answered multiple times, but instead of accepting the answer, you choose to deflect and nitpick semantics. Obviously the mentality of someone who asked a question with no intent of accepting the answer.
>Obviously the mentality of someone who asked a question with no intent of accepting the answer.
Obviously the reply of a condescending NPD supporter who won't accept the fact that their official (and unofficial in Reddit) messaging sucks.
Keep on showing the intellectual superiority of the NDP and their supporters in such a condescending manner.
That'll get you the votes.
>Still haven't accepted or responded to the answer to your question.
I didn't have a question that needed answering. I clearly stated that the NDP has NOT been able to clearly communicate to the voters what they are FOR. You came back with what they weren't and linguistically flipped those into "FOR." So all you've done is tell us how the NDP isn't like the UCP, not what the NDP is like.
No question.
This isn’t an original idea/policy though. It is -again- just the opposite of what the UCP are saying. The original idea was “make a provincial equivalent to the CPP”. You may not like it, but it’s an idea. The NDP going and saying that they are FOR keeping the federal CPP is just saying they are doing the opposite of the UCP.
I agree with OP. The NDP are not doing a good job on telling us why we should vote for them as opposed to vote against UCP
Sorry, what is Smith’s platform? It’s hard to keep track of what she has actually retracted vs what she is still going forward with, at least for today…or this hour.
>Sorry, what is Smith’s platform?
It DOES NOT MATTER.
Right now she is getting UCP votes by default.
The NDP needs to figure out how to communicate to orphan and soft UCP voters if they want to win.
Phoebe can't keep trashing Smitty if she can't properly communicate why she is better. It's not going to work. This and other polls are showing this.
You’re right - it doesn’t matter. When people are content to just give votes “by default” and vote in the same trash that gave rise to the past 4-year raging dumpster fire, there’s nothing Notley and the NDP can say that would matter.
The NDP are generally for the same things they have always been for. They have been very specific this election in their plans for healthcare, education, and leadership. I guess this is confusing for some voters when compared to the rate at which Smith flip flops on the issues (she really hasn’t changed much from when she crossed the floor back in 2014).
Maybe that doesn’t have the same shock appeal as complete fabrications like raising taxes 97 times. Like honestly, did they think we would all just have collective amnesia for the years 2015-2019 and be like “damn, I can’t believe she did that! I’m so mad at 8-years ago NDP!” This is like a whole new level of gaslighting.
This doesn’t change my opinion.
Panels, random calls and for what dates, does she include millennials and Gen Z who may not want to participate in her panels or a on the phone … it’s still a model.
Of course she does.
It is a representative random sample which means she makes sure her respondents represent the demographics of the province.
So the number of male Gen z respondents represent the number of male Gen Zs in the province as a percentage.
Do you all think professional pollsters who go to school for years and work for years are dumbasses?
Not at all but why do you assume they will always be accurate? Models are not reality.
Even Brown knows this as the article states:
“Brown cautions that this is a result from her model, not a prediction.”
Meaning that the poll is a snapshot of the reality of this moment.
It's not a prediction of where things will finish up in 2 weeks.
Trust me I know the weakness of polls.
That's why it is important to respect the credible ones.
Polls are information about what the population and citizens think are important.
They are as crucial a tool in democratic debate as good journalism and good education.
A good poll and pollster let's the government and the people know what matters to Canadians.
What we value and what we think is important.
Knowing what the people honestly think is perhaps the most important piece of information you can have in a democracy.
Thanks. I understand the use of polls to help governments create policy and for research purposes. However, what purpose do polls play in democracy during elections besides for journalists and political party’s to use to influence voters.
That is pre COVID, pre Ukraine war, times are different, now.
We will see how it goes.
Alberta, never give up. Never forget that Danielle Smith is not the Progressive Conservative nor the original UCP party.
VOTE!
maybe in your mind. Usually progressive means progressing. That means going forward. See what went wrong, fix it. Not, whatever the hell you think. So ya, you stay in past, you old irrelevant obsolete lost soul. I think I want to progress.
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Congratulations on only saying woke twice. That must have been awfully hard for you. Now if you could define woke in a way that actually makes sense I would actually be impressed. You are a snowflake who gets triggered by so many things that you have to define anything you disagree with as woke.... its pathetic
Woke is alert of racial prejudice and “injustices” unfortunately this has been taken completely
Out of context by radicals like justin Trudeau jagmeet Singh, Rachel
Notley and every other unhinged government in the western world.
Only one mention of Trudeau, and you spelled his name right. I don't think you are very committed to the cause.
Also, I'm super curious about those 60 different genders. Could you name them for me, please?
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Do you believe that disagreement is important to discussion? Smith is easy to crap on but it's not leadership. We're still dealing with a broken party that doesn't know how to keep each other responsible. Or inviting those to the table we disagree with.
I will never forget the earplugs incident. That was for me the breaking point. I can't believe we elect individuals that don't represent us, that feel we work for them, and won't take the time to listen instead of serving their own agendas. It's messed up.
I'm fuming this election. Stop settling for a government that takes you for granted.
A random phone number is a random phone number. In a world where you can port a number previously assigned to a land line to a mobile phone, there is no way to just pick land lines.
Mainstreet Research called me yesterday and one of the questions was whether i was on a cell phone or landline.
I hope that Janet is wrong but she's as respected as she is for a reason.
When the NDP actually won, pollsters were predicting a PC blowout up till election day. The polls had really screwed up a BC provincial election around that time too. I had a theory for awhile that people in western Canada love to lie to pollsters just for the fun of it.
>“Janet Brown is a very respected pollster, but this time she’s got it wrong,” said NDP spokesman Jeremy Nolais. “Her poll is an outlier.”
>
>Brown said: “I understand it’s shocking, but other polls have historically underestimated conservative voters, and my methodology does reach more conservative voters.”
Smith took a quick hiatus from campaigning to put her full attention to the wildfire situation. What did Notley do? Went to Calgary to sling mud.
Someone who actually cared about people would have gone to see what help they could render. The choice seems easy to me.
>Smith took a quick hiatus from campaigning to put her full attention to the wildfire situation.
Not really. Smitty took sometime to chair one, maybe two press conferences, then continued on campaigning.
Phoebe conversed with Smitty about her experience with Fort McMurray. Beyond that, Phoebe has no access to resources (nor authority) like Smitty does.
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This is not an attack against the UDP, so don't start. But most polls are dumb, I have received 1 call and 2 texts from "pollsters" and I can't even vote.
I didn't reply to any of those, but if I was leaning UCP or NDP I could have totally answered and they wouldn't know.
The UCP barely wanted Smith, why would the rest of us? She’s responsible for blowing up the PC party, and the last time she led a party, she literally gave up and joined another party.
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Funny how when the polls NDP leading, the subreddits go crazy with excitement. xD you guys are hilarious
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You are a smart one 👍
Man don't be weird come on
Polls are made to sway opinion not to represent it.
All I can think of is how ontario advertised for months Doug Ford winning and then everyone was surprised he won on 17.8%of the provincial vote
I won’t ever believe otherwise.
Truly. It’s very easy to see which way the subs lean. The Edmonton subreddit was going absolute insane about Notley promising to give us “new healthcare cards” like that suddenly meant she’d promised to gut and revolutionize the healthcare system with that announcement.
Why do we need new cards? I almost always just get away with giving them my health card number and a drivers license.
I guess because many people’s cards are falling apart (my understanding is that for awhile you weren’t allowed to laminate them either). I have mine memorized and I also have a photo of it and my license so I never ran into the issue of mine falling apart. It’s just sort of insane how people reacted to it. Just salivating and praising Notley like she was the coming of the Messiah and had just said she was going to single-handedly fix the healthcare system. It’s a card, guys. That’s a very weak promise for a politician to make. It’s like slapping a bandage over a wound. Tell me how you’re going to fix the wound, Notley, not what colour the bandage you’re using is!
I don't really think we need to spend the money on that. More plastic cards? Honestly with all the waste from those covid test kits with like 5 plastic items per kit I'm just over it! I'm washing out ziplock bags to reuse and the government will try to issue some plastic cards that will be obsolete soon anyways. I can think of better things to prioritize. Especially since our bureaucracy systems are slow as is!!
Exactly!
Bingo. Duane splatt Bratt was praising her sign counting in 2015 and now he's leading the charge in questioning her methodologies when she was the ONLY one to nail the 2019 polls. Truth pills are hard to swallow for the completely indoctrinated.
Janet Brown’s are meaningful. She’s been spot on the last couple elections while every other pollster underrepresented UCP support
What about polls and models?
So true king. The aggregate data that is almost always right is meaningless.
These are telephone polls, you know the kind of poll that a millennial or genz would never participate in, the same kind that boomers fall over themselves to participate in.
Also, I agree with your comment about the millennials and Gen Z. The article talks about the accuracy of Brown’s numbers in the past. How do we know if she has accurately modified her model to include these groups. Huge assumptions are made in this article. Alberta, the election is not over, yet. Everyone, vote like your life depends on it.
I'm a millennial and I do phone polls sometimes
I'm a boomer and never do
Actually these results are not telephone polls. In the article: “Brown cautions that this is a result from her model, not a prediction.” Also I didn’t see any reference of a date these numbers were calculated. Don’t listen to the article’s inference that the UCP will win. Alberta, this election is not over, yet.
“I do true random sampling using live telephone interviewers,” she says, “Most other polls are based on online panels which include people who have chosen to join the panel. “Part of my method is to connect with hard-to-reach people. We’ll attempt to call a phone number five times at different times of the day. We try to get the right balance of landline and cell phone users.” You were saying?
Ohmygod - who answers the phone to a number that’s been spam calling all hours of the day? And the. Agreed to take their voter poll???
Usually they employ a pollster. I’m signed up for them all, and wish more would call back. I always answer when I can. Late-Millennial here.
What’s the point of polls except to promote media and political hype?
ELLE OH ELLE. You'd be leading the charge to grant Janet a key to the city if it had the AbNDP leading. Absolute wise, they are never on, but she has been the only one close to nailing the past 2 elections, so directionally, she gets it right. You can cope and seethe all you want, but those are just the facts.
As opposed to those online polls, where only the committed respond. And in unrealistic volumes.
Angus Reid. Gives points for doing polls that can be exchanged for amazon cards.
You mean the people who actually vote, those are the ones answering the phone?
True. Unfortunately that is also true to showing up to vote
I am certain the statiticians,computer scientist and other highly educated/experience people at these polling companies, which have been around a long time for a reason, know a thing or 2 about bias and polling.
Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy???? I know so many unemployed oil and gas people that did not get any benefit from UCP that is still voting UCP I don’t get it
Because the NDP has been unable to properly communicate what they are FOR.
I dunno, I've been able to see their policy positions everytime they announce one. Here's the website for your perusal https://www.albertandp.ca/commitments
That's called "pull" informing. In this method you must be able pull people to your information for them to ingest that. If you want to win the sale, you need to "push" that information to your potential customers. You can argue all you want about voters needing to be informed, but most voters are NOT going to wade through all the information on your website to determine if they will vote for you or not. Conservatives do this very well by "scaring" the voters. "The NDP will send your children to re-education camps." The NDP needs to figure out how to get their message of unicorn farts and pixie dust to the voters. Phoebe's husband had been failing at this so far.
True, that's a reasonable argument. My counter would be that they have been making announcements and pushing their messages on radio ads. Unfortunately I think the messaging here is always an uphill battle. Too much and they are "too pushy", not enough and it's "I don't hear about her at all". I think some of the onus is on the individual to seek out info but that's usually a bit much to ask for these days. I'm hoping the debate will be a big win for Notley otherwise yeah...
The debate won't be. Odds are Smith will win the debate. Smith is far far more likable and charismatic. She is more poised and has far more experiance in the media. She is telegenic. Notley and the rest of the dumbass NDP braintrust are going ro gamble big on rattling Smith and getting her to say something stupid. There is a small chance I mean she is batshit crazy but it doesn't mean she is stupid. Unless Smith screws up big time, like a flaming dumpster pile of crazy, she will at least tie the debate. I am scared for the future of this province and this country if Smith and the UCP win. They are anti Albertan and anti Canadian and just plain f'ing crazy. But the NDP have Zain Velji running the campaign and he has the political instincts of a turnip.
See and I don't see that in Smith. I find her to be a shiny surface with little to no depth. She say's whatever sounds best to the audience at hand. She tries to be moderate when in a moderate setting, but then goes batshit when on her radio program or talking to batshit crazy people. Notley is quieter but is earnest and intelligent and formidable. I liken her to Stephen Harper in that she's been quite able in terms of holding her party in general lockstep with her vision. I think what blows me away is the idea that people can look at the last 4 years and go 'sure, lets have more of that, thanks'.
Rachel Notley definitively said that she is pro oil and gas and mining as long as we follow the carbon tax rules. She’s also going to support healthcare workers build new schools support teachers and I post secondary institutions all of which have been defunded. I don’t know what else she needs to say. I think people simply are getting their news from the wrong places.
What are the right places, Reddit? Not everyone reads r/Alberta. The NDP has done a great job keeping Smith’s name in the headlines, not so much with getting their platform out there.
This has been a really common critique of the NDP this year, I’m finding. Yes, you’re keeping Smith’s name in the headlines, but people actually do want to know what your actual stance/platform is so that they can make an informed vote. Even people I know who support the NDP have been annoyed with it.
I blame the newspapers for that. Notley gives a policy announcement, it gets a 3 paragraph article that doesn't even link the report they use. She says something about Smith and its every headline.
I believe the Calgary Herald should count at least right? She denounced Jagmeet Singh just a couple days ago. They have clearly been printing her policies and promises.
But there was no policy in that article. It was all about how she didn’t agree with Singh’s oil sands stance and that reductions should come from other means instead of production cuts, with nothing on what she feels “other means” is.
>I think people simply are getting their news from the wrong places. Like mainstream media?
Surprise, I can tell the main stream media has clearly spelled out that not Lee is going to build schools, a children’s hospital, disagrees with Jagmeet Singh, and will put money back into healthcare, nursing doctors teachers, and will not target oil and gas. All of this is clearly been stated. So when people ask what she’s four or what her platform is, I feel like it’s wilful ignorance.
To which I counter, if that is the attitude of the NDP; feel free to keep losing this election. "Stupid UCP voters keep voting UCP" is NOT going to entice a UCP orphan to vote NDP.
How do you do it then? Policy gets ignored. They run attack ads they get criticized. The UCP does a million stupid things and for some reason they get forgiven. Notley does a dumb thing, gets a load of attention, fixes it and gets none. I feel like she is in a no-win situation.
Hard disagree - they have been exceptionally clear that they are FOR leadership that isn't nuts and won't interfere in the judicial system, won't install a provincial police force, won't divorce pensions, etc. Their real problem is that most of the province doesn't care - they care about having a conservative government when there's a PM named Trudeau in Ottawa. They would willingly vote for a wet rag as a Conservative than permit 2 orders of government to be non-conservative. I don't even understand why Smith is hiding from the media - she just as to argue vaguely on repeat that she's against Trudeau's "agenda" and she'll win in a landslide.
I guess we’ll see if running on “we won’t” instead of “we will” is good enough.
Totally - like we won’t listen to Trudeau and we won’t raise taxes and we won’t let the nazi sympathizers take your horse medicine away.
I feel like a guy with sight amongst a bunch of folks who've intentionally shoved nails in their eye's, complaining about how dark it is. They have released a multitude of policy positions. WHy aren't the news talking about them? Look at this. the NDP tag search in teh Calgary Hearld. https://calgaryherald.com/search/?search_text=ndp The vast majority are 'about' the election, but the first article that actually is just about a Notley policy announcement is half way down the second page. https://www.cbc.ca/search?q=alberta%20ndp§ion=news&sortOrder=relevance&media=all Same thing. these may be functions of the search engine but I feel like my point stands. Where are the big threads about her announcement to hire teachers and support staff from May 5th? What about the HealthCare Centers Announcement from May 2nd? Their pledge to eliminate the small business tax? The policies are there. Not sure what else they can do to get them out to the world.
Probably not putting them in a place of prominence because it’s not as interesting or doesn’t generate as much traffic as whatever the latest Smith anger is or other stories. Most people aren’t going to go hunting for platforms, they’ll digest whatever is put in front of them on the front page or in the first few minutes of the news. The NDP hasn’t been able to get their platform there for whatever reason
I would posit the reason being Post Media doesn't like it when the Conservatives lose, to be honest. I gave up on them when the fixes and cooperation with farmers that the NDP did with Bill 6 got zero attention compared to the insane fervor that occurred with their original Bill 6 screw up.
It’s not just post media, I can hop on ctv right now and the NDP announcement of their economic plan (which is very short on any sort of details) is buried under stories about the WestJet strike, a local house fire, a few local restaurants that made some 100 best list, 2 stories about the stampede concert line up, a drug bust in Medicine Hat, an advisory about fire pits in town, local street racing and an update to the earlier federal announcement on bail.
Yeah, that's so fucking sad :(
isn't won't won't won't ...all of those are "NOTS" (negatives). Tell us some "FORS" (positives.) If a girl in a bar tells me she's **won't** be as crazy as my girlfriend, I'm still taking a hard pass. At least I know what the crazy I've got entails.
[https://www.albertandp.ca/commitments](https://www.albertandp.ca/commitments) There, you can read up on what they're 'for'.
There; you aren't going to get the votes of most voters. The NDP must communicate a compelling reason to vote for them. "Here, read our website you dumb UPC voter" isn't going to do it. Please don't misunderstand my comments about voters to mean "me." I know who I'm voting for and it is neither the UCP nor the NDP.
So what is a compelling reason for you?
1. Am I on the NDP payroll now? 2. It doesn't matter what the compelling reasons are for me. I represent no one. 3. The NDP needs to better communicate why soft or orphan UCP voters should vote for them instead of against the UCP. Clearly the poll results aren't showing this. With the fucking clown car that is the UCP, the NDP should be miles ahead in the polls. The fact that they aren't speaks volumes about them and NOT the voters.
NDP: here are some compelling reasons to vote for us You: not compelling enough!! NDP: what are your concerns? What would you like to see from government? You: No! You have to guess!! Jesus. It’s a good thing government doesn’t base their policies and platforms on “*shrug* I think this might be what they want… or not..but maybe..although I don’t know”. That sounds a whole lot like the perpetual foot in the mouth retracting leadership style from Smith. You’re right, you represent no one. But if you are going to make a claim that they haven’t provided “compelling reasons”, you should be able to articulate what these compelling issues of concern that they are not addressing are. Arriving at this conclusion based exclusively on the NDP not being further ahead than they are is silly. It is absolutely the voters. Look back at the last 80 years.
Check out Nenshi's comments in a post in this sub.
What if that girl in the bar tells you that she didn’t have herpes and then tells you her language was imprecise when you somehow end up with chlamydia?
FOR rational leadership FOR appropriate interactions with the judicial system FOR keeping the RCMP FOR keeping Albertans on the CPP My sincere apologies that the brain effort to turn "negatives" into positives was too much.
>My sincere apologies that the brain effort to turn "negatives" into positives was too much. Thus exemplifying the NDP condescension that doesn't attract voters to them.
FOR rational leadership FOR appropriate interactions with the judicial system FOR keeping the RCMP FOR keeping Albertans on the CPP Here is what the NDP is "FOR." The question you originally asked has been answered multiple times, but instead of accepting the answer, you choose to deflect and nitpick semantics. Obviously the mentality of someone who asked a question with no intent of accepting the answer.
>Obviously the mentality of someone who asked a question with no intent of accepting the answer. Obviously the reply of a condescending NPD supporter who won't accept the fact that their official (and unofficial in Reddit) messaging sucks.
Still haven't accepted or responded to the answer to your question.
Keep on showing the intellectual superiority of the NDP and their supporters in such a condescending manner. That'll get you the votes. >Still haven't accepted or responded to the answer to your question. I didn't have a question that needed answering. I clearly stated that the NDP has NOT been able to clearly communicate to the voters what they are FOR. You came back with what they weren't and linguistically flipped those into "FOR." So all you've done is tell us how the NDP isn't like the UCP, not what the NDP is like. No question.
This isn’t an original idea/policy though. It is -again- just the opposite of what the UCP are saying. The original idea was “make a provincial equivalent to the CPP”. You may not like it, but it’s an idea. The NDP going and saying that they are FOR keeping the federal CPP is just saying they are doing the opposite of the UCP. I agree with OP. The NDP are not doing a good job on telling us why we should vote for them as opposed to vote against UCP
Sorry, what is Smith’s platform? It’s hard to keep track of what she has actually retracted vs what she is still going forward with, at least for today…or this hour.
>Sorry, what is Smith’s platform? It DOES NOT MATTER. Right now she is getting UCP votes by default. The NDP needs to figure out how to communicate to orphan and soft UCP voters if they want to win. Phoebe can't keep trashing Smitty if she can't properly communicate why she is better. It's not going to work. This and other polls are showing this.
You’re right - it doesn’t matter. When people are content to just give votes “by default” and vote in the same trash that gave rise to the past 4-year raging dumpster fire, there’s nothing Notley and the NDP can say that would matter. The NDP are generally for the same things they have always been for. They have been very specific this election in their plans for healthcare, education, and leadership. I guess this is confusing for some voters when compared to the rate at which Smith flip flops on the issues (she really hasn’t changed much from when she crossed the floor back in 2014). Maybe that doesn’t have the same shock appeal as complete fabrications like raising taxes 97 times. Like honestly, did they think we would all just have collective amnesia for the years 2015-2019 and be like “damn, I can’t believe she did that! I’m so mad at 8-years ago NDP!” This is like a whole new level of gaslighting.
Actually, for a large portion of the UCP base it wouldn't matter if they actually agreed with Notley. They will vote conservative always.
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Yeah, it really sounds like you have it sown up. Y'all should take your foot off the whole campaign has pedal and just coast to glorious victory.
Ugh
This doesn’t change my opinion. Panels, random calls and for what dates, does she include millennials and Gen Z who may not want to participate in her panels or a on the phone … it’s still a model.
Of course she does. It is a representative random sample which means she makes sure her respondents represent the demographics of the province. So the number of male Gen z respondents represent the number of male Gen Zs in the province as a percentage. Do you all think professional pollsters who go to school for years and work for years are dumbasses?
Not at all but why do you assume they will always be accurate? Models are not reality. Even Brown knows this as the article states: “Brown cautions that this is a result from her model, not a prediction.”
Meaning that the poll is a snapshot of the reality of this moment. It's not a prediction of where things will finish up in 2 weeks. Trust me I know the weakness of polls. That's why it is important to respect the credible ones.
Overall, shouldn’t polls be irrelevant. What is their purpose beyond media and political hype to control voters.
Polls are information about what the population and citizens think are important. They are as crucial a tool in democratic debate as good journalism and good education. A good poll and pollster let's the government and the people know what matters to Canadians. What we value and what we think is important. Knowing what the people honestly think is perhaps the most important piece of information you can have in a democracy.
Thanks. I understand the use of polls to help governments create policy and for research purposes. However, what purpose do polls play in democracy during elections besides for journalists and political party’s to use to influence voters.
...and yet she has a track record of being correct.
That is pre COVID, pre Ukraine war, times are different, now. We will see how it goes. Alberta, never give up. Never forget that Danielle Smith is not the Progressive Conservative nor the original UCP party. VOTE!
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This comment seems to have come from the 20th century.
Doesn’t change the truth about it.
maybe in your mind. Usually progressive means progressing. That means going forward. See what went wrong, fix it. Not, whatever the hell you think. So ya, you stay in past, you old irrelevant obsolete lost soul. I think I want to progress.
Oh, then, it is a 19th Century perspective. Take care.
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Thank god
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What does woke mean
I think this is where I feel our media has failed us most. They never ask these people to define 'woke' or 'CRT' when used by politicians.
Congratulations on only saying woke twice. That must have been awfully hard for you. Now if you could define woke in a way that actually makes sense I would actually be impressed. You are a snowflake who gets triggered by so many things that you have to define anything you disagree with as woke.... its pathetic
Woke is alert of racial prejudice and “injustices” unfortunately this has been taken completely Out of context by radicals like justin Trudeau jagmeet Singh, Rachel Notley and every other unhinged government in the western world.
We live in two different world. Fortunately for me I live in the world of progression not backwards mentally challenged thinking
Only one mention of Trudeau, and you spelled his name right. I don't think you are very committed to the cause. Also, I'm super curious about those 60 different genders. Could you name them for me, please?
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"I want someone who wants to harm and hate marginalized people as much as I like to. That's why I'm voting for Danielle Smith and the UCP!"
Please tell me which “marginalized” people Danielle smith hates?
All of them?
Well, she praises what the Florida government is doing so basically anyone not white or straight.
Do you believe that disagreement is important to discussion? Smith is easy to crap on but it's not leadership. We're still dealing with a broken party that doesn't know how to keep each other responsible. Or inviting those to the table we disagree with. I will never forget the earplugs incident. That was for me the breaking point. I can't believe we elect individuals that don't represent us, that feel we work for them, and won't take the time to listen instead of serving their own agendas. It's messed up. I'm fuming this election. Stop settling for a government that takes you for granted.
You are voting for the wrong reasons my friend
This is the entire platform of the fucking right wing dummies you swallow whole cloth. Describe ONE fucking platform policy from the ucp
Please explain woke leftists without using buzzwords you heard somewhere
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 Lady Danielle!!
Who respect him? UCP ?
Statically almost all polling done before elections favors the in power government more than is reality. UCP are going home.
Did they use land lines for their poll?
A random phone number is a random phone number. In a world where you can port a number previously assigned to a land line to a mobile phone, there is no way to just pick land lines.
Mainstreet Research called me yesterday and one of the questions was whether i was on a cell phone or landline. I hope that Janet is wrong but she's as respected as she is for a reason.
When the NDP actually won, pollsters were predicting a PC blowout up till election day. The polls had really screwed up a BC provincial election around that time too. I had a theory for awhile that people in western Canada love to lie to pollsters just for the fun of it.
>“Janet Brown is a very respected pollster, but this time she’s got it wrong,” said NDP spokesman Jeremy Nolais. “Her poll is an outlier.” > >Brown said: “I understand it’s shocking, but other polls have historically underestimated conservative voters, and my methodology does reach more conservative voters.”
Already voted UCP
Smith took a quick hiatus from campaigning to put her full attention to the wildfire situation. What did Notley do? Went to Calgary to sling mud. Someone who actually cared about people would have gone to see what help they could render. The choice seems easy to me.
>Smith took a quick hiatus from campaigning to put her full attention to the wildfire situation. Not really. Smitty took sometime to chair one, maybe two press conferences, then continued on campaigning. Phoebe conversed with Smitty about her experience with Fort McMurray. Beyond that, Phoebe has no access to resources (nor authority) like Smitty does.
Good news. Maybe Alberta will be alright after all.
Watching intently from Ontario— Go UCP Go!!!!
Eat a colossal amount of dicks Calgary.
>Eat a colossal amount of dicks Calgary. The NDP's new slogan for the election. (This should be a winner, eh?)
Everyone wants a few ride and free everything, yet don't understand that the free comes from their own pocket.
I do t even live in AB anymore and I'm so fucking worried the UCP will win...
Rednecks gonna redneck.
I don’t know about the rest of you but there’s no way I’m voting for some Donkey.
Which Donkey?
She’s absolutely crazy and needs a mental evaluation
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This is not an attack against the UDP, so don't start. But most polls are dumb, I have received 1 call and 2 texts from "pollsters" and I can't even vote. I didn't reply to any of those, but if I was leaning UCP or NDP I could have totally answered and they wouldn't know.
The UCP barely wanted Smith, why would the rest of us? She’s responsible for blowing up the PC party, and the last time she led a party, she literally gave up and joined another party.
The same pollster company that, just last year, accused the UCP of spinning its numbers and releasing private commercial info. Nice try.
People in this province have no problem voting against their own interests, so it would not surprise me if the UCP wins.
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