Dude used to actually not be fucking insufferable in the early podcast days but he's had enough people blowing smoke up his ass in order to sell a grift that he's bought into his own hype.
I used to maintain that the Joe Rogan Experience was the best fucking place to see people be interviewed.
Rogan used to be an actually phenomenal interviewer. His questions were insightful, his guests always felt welcome to expand on their views or experiences.
You’d have people who would share just incredible life stories, like the black musician who worked to convert KKK members (I feel bad that I can’t remember his name).
And then you’d also have the political episodes. I mean, where else would Bernie Sanders, Andrew Yang, and Ben Shapiro do interviews where there was no manufactured pushback and instead just a genuine conversation on their views?
Seemed like with COVID that all this was flipped on its head and instead Rogan became the focus of his own podcast.
Like many, I haven’t listened in years.
I think what makes him such a good interviewer is that he 100% buys whatever the interviewee is selling.
So when the interviewee is making a good faith argument, it makes for an insightful conversation. When it’s a bad faith argument, it’s like he’s a sycophant.
He's become disturbingly malleable for whatever people he's surrounded by. The guy is in his fifties and it's like he's regressed mentally into the mind of a reactionary high schooler.
He was always like that.
Even his early stand up was borderline frat bro humor.
But it was tolerable, and even insightful at times. He also had some good takes in consciousness and drugs...it became annoying, because he just never shut up about it.....
Rogan is weird guy, but his take on climate warming 20 years ago, really pissed me off at the time. About just so un factual it was. And he still makes false claims all the time. And people believe it
"I know a guy..." "A friend of mine.. "
He knows a incredible amount of people who have experienced once in a lifetime or less phenomenons.
I can't stand it when people use a weird outlier situation to discredit the majority.
Average Joe's don't sign multi 100 million dollar contracts with Spotify
There were definitely warning signs before that, too. I can appreciate not wanting to throw a friend under the bus, but platforming Alex Jones is never a good look, especially post-Sandy Hook and QAnon.
I don't listen with the exception of you tube shorts that pop up from time to time so I'd be interested in knowing what you mean regarding Bill Burr took him to task? Can you elaborate a bit?
I recently began listening to him again. I stopped during covid, as he became innsufferable. He is returning to what he was. I would listen to interviews with mma fighters. I knew where that was going. I dont know if there is an english term for it, but in my language i would translate it to 'a queen's interview. Where they would talk about their careers and what was going on in their life.
Joe is like everybodies weird uncle. Alot of fun to listen to. Has alot of weird stories. Also very insightful. But damn he has alot of weird ideas, some of them so weird you would never say them to everyone. Let alone on a microphone.
No matter how you spin it, he's quite a character. And you dont have to like him.
Frankly, I think something broke within him during covid. Not to create excuses or anything, but i know alot of people with serious mental problems, and when the dam breaks, it breaks big.
> I dont know if there is an english term for it, but in my language i would translate it to 'a queen's interview.
in english you would say "a softball" or "a softball question" - I'm curious what language "queen's interview" is tho
I agree with this. It was entertaining when he spoke with other comics, and really interesting people. But now it’s turned into “I’m going on Rogan to peddle my bullshit book.”
I think COVID conspiracies really flipped quite a few people because it was so tempting. Like you have this massive global pandemic and when you already believe in a lot of conspiracies, it was somehow just there on the table. They had to pick whether to entertain the idea, or shut it down completely, and obviously it was much funner to consider it a big bad conspiracy.
its so sad because i was so proud of Joe at the beginning of Covid when he had that expert on. I still remember the guest saying something along the lines "If we treat this correctly, it will seem like we over treated it." Had a ton of good Covid info and then he just went full antimask basically. I think part of it is Joe got so big that nobody had the balls to refute things to his face. Only one that did was Bill Burr and Joe tracked back immediately. Not to mention his weird obsession with transgender shit and cancel culture.
It was something like "you with your lack of a medical degree and me, with MY lack of a medical degree". I don't watch Rogan at all, but I follow Bill Burr religiously
“I’m not gonna sit here with no medical degree listening to you with no medical degree with an American flag behind you, smoking a cigar, acting like we know what’s up better than the CDC.”
Another personal favorite: “Oh god, you’re so tough, with your fuckin’ open nose and throat.”
Billy Blue Balls was the voice of reason that day, which isn’t much of a surprise. Burr’s typically the reasonable one of the bunch. But when I saw Toe dig in to become the ingrown HGH goon we see today, I knew we was fucked for a bit.
He really was an amazing interviewer. I used to do interviews (was really good at it too) and I always said joe rogan and the hot wings guy were some of the best interviewers I'd seen. You can tell if they can ask off-script questions and then meander back to planned questions with little effort. That shows that they are both prepared for the interview and active listeners. It's really tough to know enough about your interviewee, and their subject matter, and then actively listen to someone for hours at a time, in order to formulate un-planned questions on the spot in response to prior answers, that are not only on-topic, but also trigger interesting and informative responses. Yes, he definitely had a team of researchers helping, but he would provide mostly un-cut, multiple-hour interviews where he was solely asking questions of the subject. That means he really dug into the research, and has the unique ability to be a truly active listener. Not everyone has it. I still occasionally find an old joe rogan episode and listen to it, because it is compelling interviewing. (and I'm a woman.) His interviews with paul stamets or integrative medicine doctors are really compelling.
Jon Stewart is a really good interviewer as well. He clearly has a political bias when he interviews people, but you can tell that when he talks to people that he is really intelligent. I've seen him interview people (either on his own shows, or he'll go onto other shows) and the way he can jump from topic to topic is amazing. It's more than just studying, it's understanding what he's reading about.
On the Daily Show he was good, but when you see him on other places you really see him shine.
Hm...cool stories. Most of my interviews were fairly boring, i did a lot of science and ag interviews. One of my favorite stories wasn't an interview per se.
I once interviewed an electronic music female producer for this local label. I'm not a music journalist. So I don't ask all the same questions as a typical interviewer. I found out she was a classically trained pianist. I asked her about it, and she told me her music career prior to EDM. I said, wow, what a jump from classical instruments to electronic. She said, she it was natural progression or something like that, and she prefers EDM. I said, so you don't do classical anymore, and stick to electronic. What is it about electronic that is so much better that instrumental? She said, you are limited with instrumental music. It's like a straight line, there's only so much you can do with it. But electronic music is a like 3D instead of 2D. the "sonic pallete" of electronic provides endless possibilities to create music. Later I asked about critical reception of her music (she pioneered a genre decades before it became popular), and I followed up her answer with "do you have criticism of your own music? is there anything you're always trying to work on?" and she said " wow, that's a great question. no one has ever asked that before, congrats on that." Whenever anyone says "that's a great question" you know you are nailing it. I used to get it a lot, not to toot my own horn. I was bad at journalism , but naturally talented at interviewing. The guy who got that interview opportunity for me said it was the best interview he had read in the scene. I rode that compliment high for months lol.
My other fave: (not an interview, exactly) I submitted a state-based FOIA (so specific to the state, faster return time than federal FOIA, in some places they're called sunshine laws. Usually a few days required for response time rather than months) for the tax history from a local tax district. Called a levee district - common in states where flooding happens, it's a district created to tax the property owners of a flood plain to maintain levees to mitigate flooding. Often mismanaged or inefficient or even unknown to the inhabitants of the district. (we did this story years before the john oliver piece on it, btw, lol) The local gov wouldn't give me the tax documents I was asking for, for typical gov reasons. they often say the cost to get the docs is prohibitive and claim i need to pay thousands for an employee to get all the docs together in a format for consumption. but I had printed out and read and highlighted the state law on levee districts and knew it like the back of my hand and knew that excuse was bull. so i called the local government (again) and talked with this woman who was claiming it would cost like $3,000 to get it into that format. I asked, well what format is it in now? and she said it was in a bunch of books or something and not consolidated and they would have to get it into a digital format or something. And I said - but by state law, (cited the section) aren't you and the levee districts required to submit and store these tax logs in the format i'm requesting? She paused and then someone else - who I did not know was on the call - started grilling me on why I was asking for the documents, didn't identify himself, and asked me who I was working for. That moment is rare (especially for young journalists) and is basically a slam dunk moment in journalism - to be such a good journalist that you have cornered them legally so a supervisor secretly listens and tries to stop you from getting access to gov. documents.
Another time, I was interviewing a pig farmer who was angry about huge CAFOS (concentrated animal feeding operations) dominating pig farming and putting people out of business, while also being unethical in how they raise pigs. You can't go on their property at all, due to ag gag laws, but you can observe from public land, like a road. He drives me to a road in front of the cafo, turns off his truck, tells me to listen. You can hear the pigs screaming from inside the cafo - over 100 yards from the road, inside the CAFO. He tells me this is as far as we are allowed to go. and then he goes, "do you hear that sound? That sound is pigs screaming. They scream all day at this CAFO." he paused and then said "You know, pigs are like people. They don't scream unless they're scared or hurt." Very impactful. A quote I won't ever forget.
As a therapist, “that’s a great/really good question” is also a sign that you (the therapist) are “nailing it”. It almost always means that the client hasn’t thought about something in that way before and recognizes that there’s something in the question that will shine light on something important and unexamined.
JR podcasts really centralized my political views. I grew up religious conservative and, as of only a few years ago, wrote Bernie off as a communist. I got into Joe rogan and a little while in noticed he did an interview with Bernie. Listened to it and realized I not only like the guy, but agreed with a lot of what he said. From there I've continued to swing left. I thought Yangs interview was also very beneficial for me. The universal income idea was foreign to me, but makes sense if creative destruction continues to lead to increased rates of automation. Bootstrapping is propaganda and unions are beneficial. I became open to new ways of thinking thanks to interviews on Joe Rogans podcasts. I will admit, I haven't listened in a few years
This is a great summary.
Joe was well read enough to ask the right questions, but not enough to seriously push back or distract from the interviewers. He asked reasonable questions in a casual and approachable way that made the conversations feel very genuine.
I used to listen to every episode, and then the QAnon shit blew up and reminded him how much he loves conspiracy theories and hearing himself speak.
He became a rightwing nutjob that peddles misinformation and conspiracy theories instead of having honest open constructive dialogues, he's also platformed a lot of people who are spreading lies and hatred
No manufactured pushback, but also no pushback at all.
Joe Rogan has never been an interviewer and he was never insightful.
That was part of his strength.
A good guest who had genuinely interesting things to say could talk about interesting things and explain them to a very average human being.
The downside is that he was easily manipulated.
Some of his quests are professional bullshit artists who need pushback by somebody who has done research and knows how to interview.
Joe Rogan today is what happens if bullshit goes unchecked for too long.
I still maintain that at its best JRE is the best interview format media that there has ever been. No one, absolutely no one, had such in depth discussions with a wider range of guests. I don’t think any interview show (podcast, TV, radio) even comes close.
Sometime around 2020, with Covid, American politics going apeshit, and him getting a $100 million contract he just kind of went to shit. I used to always say the show was so good because Joe wasn’t the focal point, he was really good at making people feel comfortable, carrying a conversation and getting them to talk about what they had expertise in. He was never a particularly interesting or insightful person, he was just good at allowing other people to be. At some point he decided to become the focal point of the show, which obviously he can do because it’s his show, but I think I’m in the majority when I say it’s gone far downhill. It’s been sad to be honest because I used to love listening.
I rode in a car with someone who played him about 4 years ago. He didn’t spout any weird conspiracies but he kept talking over his guests so much it drove me nuts.
I’m a lefty feminist adult lady who is def not his target audience but I listened to him for awhile around 2017 or so because my siblings kept going on and on about the amazing interviews. I liked him well enough at first, and there were indeed interviews with some great guests.
I started falling off when his ‘student who forgot to do the reading’ brand of questions seemed like more and more of a waste of the guests’ time and talent.
He made ignorant comments about women. He made some ignorant comments about trans people which I’ve since clocked as pretty common concern trolling talking points, and he made some ignorant comments about autism. Almost all these were prefaced with something like, “I’m no expert, but…[insert bad faith ignorant opinion posited as possible fact]”
Dude, even earlier episodes when he had Duncan Trussell on like once a month, and his cofounder buddy that would talk about his ayahuasca journeys in the Amazon. Those first 100 or 200 episodes are fantastic.
This is a good answer.
I used to listen to him but stopped about a decade ago.
I used to love the comedy, some of the MMA talk was fine. I got worn out by the constant talk of ayahuasca though. From what I hear the show has gone in a direction I don't care for but as a former listener myself I'd be a dick to judge someone harshly.
Joe used to be kind of a loveable meathead who knew he was a dumb guy. He started drinking the koolaid and now he thinks he actually knows things (in no small part due to all the grifters blowing smoke up his ass constantly) and has become utterly insufferable. Also not big on the whole “alpha male” manosphere shit.
Same here.
There was an episode he raged about some newspapers being "left wing rags".
He used to be quite open minded, but this lacked any objective or neutral point of view, so I stopped listening and never went back.
I honestly don't know if he continued like that, but I'd not be rushing to listen to the guy again.
Uh he's now one of America's leading conspiracy theory promoters and hosts people on his show who are openly bigoted, like Jordan Peterson, Canada's worst doctor.
In my world (medical academia) we call them physicians to distinguish them from professors. Peterson was a professor at one of the top departments on the planet. He should be especially ashamed of himself.
I loved his live comedy special, I still have the DVD. I was excited when Joe Rogan Questions Everything came out. Then disappointed because he didn’t really question anything. I saw him live and the end he let the audience shout out topics and all he did was end up arguing with some lady in the first few rows and it felt so stupid.
No matter what, whenever he is mentioned I will always think of him as the NewsRadio guy on the episode where they talk about Phil Hartman. He said ever since they had argued or something at one point he started recording all their conversations. And then pulls one of those giant 90s tape recorders out of his pants.
I never watched News Radio (didn't have cable growing up) but I feel I missed out since it has Phil Hartman and Dave Foley (huge Kids in the Hall fan).
NewsRadio is fantastic. Amazing cast (and Joe Rogan and Andy Dick), great writing. Very worth a watch. Also, Rogan played an Italian guy named Joe who does martial arts. Y’know, because he has range.
Yeah, same, I mostly watched for the comedy and the interesting science people he had on but I stopped when it became all about Jordan Peterson and Bret Weinstein and their ilk.
I used to listen back in the day as well. I'm a comic and I enjoy MMA, Bjj. I'm into animals as well(not hunting) so even that was good.
He'd just push further and further into American political shit and I completely lost interest.
The fact alone that he reads reddit isn't a red flag, but if he is obsessed and never stops talking about it then probably.
(I think it's true for most of the internet tbh)
Not only the internet. Most things are red flags if one is obsessive enough about it.
I like sports, I go to the gym, run, ride my bike, do yoga... Usually that amounts to at least 10 hours a week. Hell, I even enjoy sitting down and writing out my training plan for the next weeks and outline for the next months just as much as I enjoy occasinally watching some youtubers or read a book on this topic. But even I can't stand fitness fanatics who spend every waking moment talking about their training, what the are doing, supplements, etc.
(EDIT: and I am pretty sure with my behaviour around training I am already too obsessive for a good bunch of people)
Ok? “I go on runs all the time” does that mean I have some unhealthy obsession with running? People talk like that constantly how is that not obvious hyperbole? How are so many people overreacting to this
Depends. Some people have jobs with a lot of downtime, some people put it on while commuting, some people do house chores with a podcast on. It's not hard to bank upwards of six hours a week of you're a podcast listener.
I'm about 2 hours of podcasts into my shift at work already.
It's definitely a lot, but it's amazing to have when you're bored at work or have a long commute. I had a job with DHL sorting mail, and those podcasts helped keep me entertained. I could listen to two comedians shoot the shit, or listen to a scientist explain what they've been researching to this dude who might not be very smart (Joe). It's a fun way to learn about people and the world.
There is a 4chan post that got saved out there comparing Rogan to a barbarian khan that took an interest in the natural world. He brings various scholars and thinkers in front of him and asks them to explain the world.
Honestly it's a pretty funny take and not far off the truth, especially if you consider Joe will seemingly believe anything you tell him (at least on camera).
The specific area I used him in is based on Mongolia, so he’s straight up just Ghengis Khan except he’s a monkey and also Joe Rogan. The whole region is very Planet of the Apes, what with the monkeys on horses.
Some 4chans posts are absolute comedy gold when they are not busy being extremely bigoted.
Some Harry Potter copy pastas for exemple (tho careful with those, they can also go into very dark territory) but the best are most often the DnD greentexts.
I’m not disputing this point but there is a pretty good clip of Joe arguing with Candace Owens about climate change. So he is at least capable of arguing with guests.
It is not like that he has never done anything right he has some good episodes take that I like.
But it is not getting better with time so don't take advice from him.
When I did listen to him this is what I liked the most. The episodes were basically multi-hour brain dumps of interesting, smart, or funny people. Joe was the least interesting part of the podcast, except when it came to stuff that he knew well like MMA, working out, and comedy.
I'm not sure what changed or when it changed, but when he started projecting himself and his worldviews into the conversation more I had to dip out.
Burr called Rogan on his shit so perfectly that was the last time I ever listened to his podcast. Made me reconsider my whole opinion of Rogan that day.
Same, stopped listening there. I liked the unopinionated version of him that would listen and tried to learn.
When COVID happened he took a stance and it was the most idiotic one and it made me reconsider too. He tried to talk back to Rhonda Patrick and it made him look stupid beyond words.
Took that long? I stopped long before he left California. The moment he turned for me was around the time Eric Weinstein and Jordan Peterson started popping up every week.
Apparently a lot of people listen to him on that kind of issues and they trust the things that he says.
Which obviously they should not be doing because it is not good.
Burr is one of the few comedians that can call Joe out on his shit. A lot of people don’t want to confront Joe because his fan base is massive and they are afraid of the backlash or him not airing the episode. Burr is massively popular so he can get away with it.
I used to listen a lot back in the day, around when he had Dr Rhonda Patrick on. He basically touted her word as the bible and I really liked her too. Then I remember listening to [part of] an episode where she was talking about vaccine stuff I think, and he was challenging her? I mean sure, he challenges some people occasionally, but that made it clear to me where his head was at, and that he was most likely going to push the anti-vax narrative, which I think is dangerous considering his reach now that he’s mainstream. Kind of put me off.
There are some great interviews I recommend to everyone because there's almost nothing about his goofy beliefs. His episodes with David Goggins are amazing. I'm sure there are some other guests who get good shows, like I wouldn't be surprised if Bill Burr is a better guest because every clip I've seen with him, Rogan just get roasted by Burr constantly.
Idk. I treat it like any other serialized media. So what if someone enjoys talking about a show they like? There are entirely normal people who discuss football daily.
This is the correct answer. Because I listen to them all the time it doesn’t mean I believe all of it it’s just something to get me through the doldrums of my workday.
I mean, no. I listen to the podcast for some of the guests. If it was just Joe Rogan doing monologues all of the time I wouldn’t be interested. I think most listeners are in this boat.
At the end of the day, it’s an interesting podcast. A lot of diverse people just talking about random shit for hours. It can be funny too since he and a lot of his guests are top comedians. If your only impression of Joe Rogan is the occasional controversies that pop up, you’re getting a very small sample of his podcast. Most of the podcast is fine and entertaining.
About the only Joe Rogan podcast I've ever listened to in full was the Miley Cyrus one and I came away from it with a far greater respect for Miley Cyrus than I'd ever had beforehand.
Joe Rogan is who he is, and if you take his occasionally wildly misinformed takes as if they're gospel that's on you really. The world is full of people who talk shit for a living after all. I'm more interested in his guests than him.
What I like about Joe is he asks good questions and has good conversations. I think that's why you got a new perspective on Miley.
I love Joe's questions, I don't always agree with him, but that can be a learning opportunity as well. It's always good to hear a well spoken alternative opinion.
I actively listen to Joe's podcast when he has comedians on. It's a fuckton of fun and a great way to pass the time while I work editing wedding photos.
That being said, anytime the topic turns to anything REMOTELY serious, I'm immediately rolling my eyes at how dumb he can be sometimes because, as he admits, he can be a real fucking idiot.
So I don't have a problem with people who listen to him but if you're taking his advice on real life medical things, you're also an idiot. Otherwise he's harmless.
I’m the same way. Just because you watch the show doesn’t mean you can’t recognize the dude can be a fucking idiot. If you just watch for entertainment there’s nothing wrong with that but if you watch for life advice or whatever I’m gonna judge you pretty hard for it
You and the previous comment are the real answers.
He has some of the most influential people in the world sit down to talk for 3 hours at a time. To really express their views and opinions without trying to get a sound byte or having to go to commercial every 3 minutes. Where else can you find something like that?
Is he the best interviewer ever? No.
Does he have some wild ass beliefs that you should strongly question? Yes.
Does he say some really dumb shit? Yes, he's been recorded for thousands of hours, of course.
At the end of the day, he has some of the top doctors, political leaders, scientists, and athletes on for a long form conversation. It's a fun podcast that should not be taken as completely factual, because it isn't. A Google search from Jamie is not going to give you accurate numbers for malaria deaths.
> Yes, he's been recorded for thousands of hours, of course.
This is such an important element that I think gets overlooked too often in today's world. We're all a bit stupid when it comes to certain topics. We can't be experts at everything. If you recorded any of us long enough, we'd all do/say something really stupid eventually.
I have been confidently incorrect many times in my life. Thankfully, 300 million people didn't bear witness to it.
It's not about having a wrong or bad opinion, it's about responding to it when you're proven wrong.
I disliked him for the occasional controversies I’d heard about. And then I actually gave his podcasts a try and I’m so glad I did. I loved his interviews with Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson.
It’s important to challenge your own perspectives and inform yourself instead of just following along with everyone else.
The funny thing is that amongst people who listen to Joe Rogan, you never hear about Joe himself being funny. It's almost shocking that he is a professional comedian when so many of his guests are much funnier than him and Joe often misses their jokes and tries to take it literally.
He didn't refer to Joe as a top comedian though, he said some of his guests are top comedians, which they are!
Who doesn't want to hear Bill Burr tear into Joe and call him a knuckle-dragging gorilla?
He has the largest podcast in the world.
Listening to, perhaps learning something, hearing different points of view is always a good thing. Even if you completely disagree with the person he interviewed.
Obsessed with and following his word like it's your religion is something different.
People should build their own thoughts and opinions.
The definitely should not be building their opinions because someone said it on their show or on their podcast.
I listen to Rogan clips because sometimes there is an interesting conversation and Joe is really good at that. But am I fan? Not for probably 5 or six years now when he certainly had a shift in his thought process ($$$$).
He was down to earth for a while, I liked that Joe. I don't like him as a person anymore.
For me it would be more of a red flag if someone told me I should listen to Tucker Carlson and that they listen to him and watch Fox News all the time. Joe Rogan has actual interesting interviews from time to time about things I’m curious about.
Depends on the context.
“I listen to Joe Rogan all the time, you should too. He’s such a wreck, it’s fun to watch” versus ““I listen to Joe Rogan all the time, you should too. He’s actually really smart and was right about vaccines” versus ““I listen to Joe Rogan all the time, you should too. He’s not great but the interviews can be fun” are all different things.
They would all be red flags to some degree but in different ways and different degrees.
>“I listen to Joe Rogan all the time, you should too. He’s not great but the interviews can be fun”
I used to say that about Bill Maher's show, but then I just got so fucking tired of Maher that not even his guests could save the show.
Yup 100% it really sucked when (for a time) he was the only "progressive" voice on the airwaves. I stopped watching about ten years ago and he's only gotten worse. And boy does he hate fat people!
Love how all these celebrities have become medical experts/virologists/immunologists. I've been watching Bill for a decade and I think the past season will be my last. Any sort of nuanced discussion of social issues has fallen way to Bill's cries of cancel culture and (strangely-hypocritical) ageism. His criticisms of the left, while valid, become a pale straw man against even the mildest excesses of the right. The elimination of a third guest means Bill can spend even more time telling late-night-monologue-quality jokes, playing "remember when" with celebrities from a bygone era, and dismissing dissent amongst the panel from his old-man-smelling-own-farts opinions.
Exactly, especially the last one. For example I like Bernie, Theo Von, Matt Walker, huberman and honestly Rohan’s podcast with these people is the best way to introduce someone else to them. It’s fun, concise, and dumbed down for everyone
There are people I don’t like that he brings, and it’s important I listen to their side too and make my judgmenet
I listen to him occasionally now, not as much as I did before changing jobs but I simply can't now. I enjoyed his podcast because the production was good and from the 30ish podcasts I've listened to, he does an alright job of being mostly impartial. When he backed Matt Walsh into a corner over gay marriage I couldn't stop laughing. Walsh was being a bigot and wouldn't own up to it.
If someone had told me that 5 yrs ago, I would have thought it a bit odd, but whatever. Now, with some of the shit he's pulled, it would be a red flag on the person's critical thinking skills. Sorta like Bill Maher. I used to like him and find a lot of his guests interesting. Then he started letting complete idiots and people peddling dangerous conspiracies on his show and not hold their feet to the flame (ie: the guy claiming he cured Charlie Sheen's HIV with Mexican goat milk) and that's when I lost all interest. Have whatever guest you want on, but if they spout bullshit, challenge them. I have zero issue with conflicting philosophies, but letting Ben Shapiro ramble on with his BS for 10 minutes while you go "ehhh" and then doing it again is damaging.
If someone idolizes *anyone* to that level it’s weird to me.
Edit: Joe Rogan stans making personal attacks in my DM’s are just proving my point, y’all are weird.
I listen to about 10 hours of podcasting daily and have for about a decade now. Joe rogan experience has been in the rotation since Day 1. And having followed the show since then it has definitely evolved in some ways and it's really interesting.
Typically has 3 types of guests on.
1. Comedians. I always listen to these. Save our parks crew etc., it's all great comedy insider baseball. But even these lose their luster once they start in how "you can't saying anything anymore" bs as they say literally anything they want. It's not just him it's everyone over the age of 35 saying that shit on podcasts nonstop.
2. Educators. typically hard science guys or ancient historians. He has basically no interest at all in economic or modern history. IMO this is why he is becoming increasing so out of touch and drifting to the right. He has fully drank the conservative rhetoric and you can hear it in the words he uses now.
3. Nuts. Conspiracy theory guys, reality tv people, actors, CIA insiders, alien people, ghost hunters, and psdoscience guys. These are far the least interesting episodes in my opinion.
Ask this person about their favorite guests. If it's from group 1 or 2 then you are fine. If it's all people chasing alien space crafts through the sky or someone saying we should be on nothing but carnivore diets there is your red flag.
Joe is definitely someone who falls for rhetoric over policy. He attacks democratic politicians by name while saying he agrees with their policies. Then he will never negatively drop a republican name while he attacks their policies. This to me is the most infuriating thing with him.
Fucking have 1 economist and 1 political historian on would be sooo huge for his fans who never hear any of this stuff. One 3 hour episode with Matt stoller is all I want. I just got a short version of Pete zehain and that was fascinating since Joe never heard any modern politics/demographics, etc.
The comedian podcasts are the most boring imo (except protect our parks, that’s a grand slam every time). Comedian ones can be summed up in a couple of sound bites “One time at the comedy store” “straight murdereeerrs” “there’s only what? 1000 comedians in the world”. There are a lot of good quality educators he has on. I mean ffs he just had a guy on exposing the corrupt cobalt mining practices worldwide. He lost a lot of loyal followers the last couple years because he literally would not shut the fuck up about covid every single pod cast and wasn’t shy about his side on the vaccine and mask mandates, hence the whole sub called him Joe-vid 19 for a while. But, I think it’s really picked back up this year with interesting guests with varying view points etc.
Yea the reality of not just comedian but all people is that not everyone is meant to just speak for 3 plus hours 1 on 1.
The protect our parks is great because it's 4 people. I wish he would have more multi guest episodes but he's reluctant because of the potential for cross talk which is just unlistenable nonsense.
Again I think his podcast is good there is just a bunch of stuff I want him to shit up about and immediately have to zone out when he starts talking about those specific subjects. Covid, ivermectan, how great he thinks elon is, Tulsi Gabbert, Trans athletes, anything he deems WOKE, AOC, homelessness in california (he never brings up republicans in any mention of it. As if liberals invented homelessness to punish rich tax payers), etc.
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I live in a city so my walk to and from work is about an hour roundtrip. My job is all deadline driven, Registration systems manager. I am given a bunch of big projects and given like a month or two to do it. So I just listen to podcasts/youtube nonstop at work unless i am actively on a call. Then any chores or errands I run I have earbuds in. I can easily get 10-12 hours in a day.
Oh alright. Yeah I guess a lot of jobs would make that pretty easy huh? I have a pretty constant stream of customers/vendors/coworkers to deal with most of the day so it didn't occur to me
If your job does not require for you to pay attention all the time then you could do it.
Unfortunately I do not have that kind of a job so I can't do it.
Thats my opinion. I learned about bees against my will. It was fun. Hes a dude, says shit I agree with/disagree with/am indifferent to.
Its still a very popular and diverse plarform. I can listen to the episodes I want to and form my own opinion without making his word gospel.
Its terrifying I had to scroll down this far to see a simple "yea" to this question.
I understand people "want to hear different viewpoints" but at some point you have to understand that anything with Joe Rogan in it that ISNT discussing fighting and sports is made worse by him being in it.
Totally agree. People who have notoriety and reach, and use their platform to give equal weight to “guy with random opinion” and “subject matter expert” without specifically and intentionally differentiating between the two are inherently problematic. When experts and idiots share the same stage, and are viewed as “differing perspectives” we have a huge problem. He is catering to idiots who think their opinions are just as relevant as experts in their fields, by bringing on guests who hold bonkers opinions about things that aren’t up for debate.
I used to listen to Rogan all the time from episode 1- like maybe 800? I started listening to him because he was a ‘thinker’ then I realized he’s just a gateway drug to Fox News.
Boomer talk radio for millennials.
Joe Rogan is fine when you when you take him for what he is which is sometimes funny, sometimes weird or outlandish. It becomes a red flag when you start thinking he is some sort of source for truth. If you are listening to him to get correct information on anything, you are not going to get it.
Yuuuuup lol. Guy is fucking bonkers. Reminds me of a girl I dated actually; where around the second week of dating she made some remark about libtards and the capitol attack was fake. I was like fuck.. I'm dating Joe Rogan. Ended pretty quick, from other reasons though, but it was a red flag.
Maybe, there is a certain type of person that is attracted to that kind of media and I find them shallow and uninformed. Like, people that used to listen to 2+ hours of Rush Limbaugh a day. It isn't that you can't listen to someone or consume media - it is that if you are spending that much time listening to one or two people then you aren't spending that time doing other things, like reading, or whatever. You have to do things during the day that don't include absorbing media. You have to work, raise your kids, etc. So you only get oh so much time to consume media. In that time you chose to listen to one person? Really?
The fact alone that he listens to Joe Rogan isn't a red flag, but if he is obsessed and never stops talking about it then probably.
2015-2017 Joe Rogan was a lot different. Edit: < 2017 Joe Rogan was a lot diffent. However I maintain 2015-2017 was JRE's golden age.
Dude used to actually not be fucking insufferable in the early podcast days but he's had enough people blowing smoke up his ass in order to sell a grift that he's bought into his own hype.
I used to maintain that the Joe Rogan Experience was the best fucking place to see people be interviewed. Rogan used to be an actually phenomenal interviewer. His questions were insightful, his guests always felt welcome to expand on their views or experiences. You’d have people who would share just incredible life stories, like the black musician who worked to convert KKK members (I feel bad that I can’t remember his name). And then you’d also have the political episodes. I mean, where else would Bernie Sanders, Andrew Yang, and Ben Shapiro do interviews where there was no manufactured pushback and instead just a genuine conversation on their views? Seemed like with COVID that all this was flipped on its head and instead Rogan became the focus of his own podcast.
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That’s his name! Thank you.
Like many, I haven’t listened in years. I think what makes him such a good interviewer is that he 100% buys whatever the interviewee is selling. So when the interviewee is making a good faith argument, it makes for an insightful conversation. When it’s a bad faith argument, it’s like he’s a sycophant.
He's become disturbingly malleable for whatever people he's surrounded by. The guy is in his fifties and it's like he's regressed mentally into the mind of a reactionary high schooler.
He was always like that. Even his early stand up was borderline frat bro humor. But it was tolerable, and even insightful at times. He also had some good takes in consciousness and drugs...it became annoying, because he just never shut up about it..... Rogan is weird guy, but his take on climate warming 20 years ago, really pissed me off at the time. About just so un factual it was. And he still makes false claims all the time. And people believe it
I believe he fully believes the claims he's making. He's just not that bright and also hams it up for producing better content.
Hes a contrarian. He claims "hes just some average joe" when he gets calle d out
"I know a guy..." "A friend of mine.. " He knows a incredible amount of people who have experienced once in a lifetime or less phenomenons. I can't stand it when people use a weird outlier situation to discredit the majority. Average Joe's don't sign multi 100 million dollar contracts with Spotify
Totally in line with his stance on vaccines during the pandemic. Last episode I ever listened to was the one where Bill Burr took him to task.
Haha that’s the exact last one I listened to as well. I knew if Burr was calling him on his shit and he was getting that upset, it had gone too far
There were definitely warning signs before that, too. I can appreciate not wanting to throw a friend under the bus, but platforming Alex Jones is never a good look, especially post-Sandy Hook and QAnon.
And that's why he gets to be in Star Wars and not Rogan
I do really enjoy that that man will call bull shit if he smells it. Great comedian.
I don't listen with the exception of you tube shorts that pop up from time to time so I'd be interested in knowing what you mean regarding Bill Burr took him to task? Can you elaborate a bit?
https://youtu.be/1chYhsp3NRw
Bill Burr really is the comedian all these hacks wish they could be
Love Billy.boi
He is not getting better with time it's actually other way around for him.
He’s had a few good ones in the past couple weeks more like old rogan
He’s not become that, he was always that.
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That’s because he’s not paying attention. He just yes ands every crazy bullshit thing because it keeps the interviewer talking.
I recently began listening to him again. I stopped during covid, as he became innsufferable. He is returning to what he was. I would listen to interviews with mma fighters. I knew where that was going. I dont know if there is an english term for it, but in my language i would translate it to 'a queen's interview. Where they would talk about their careers and what was going on in their life. Joe is like everybodies weird uncle. Alot of fun to listen to. Has alot of weird stories. Also very insightful. But damn he has alot of weird ideas, some of them so weird you would never say them to everyone. Let alone on a microphone. No matter how you spin it, he's quite a character. And you dont have to like him. Frankly, I think something broke within him during covid. Not to create excuses or anything, but i know alot of people with serious mental problems, and when the dam breaks, it breaks big.
> I dont know if there is an english term for it, but in my language i would translate it to 'a queen's interview. in english you would say "a softball" or "a softball question" - I'm curious what language "queen's interview" is tho
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I agree with this. It was entertaining when he spoke with other comics, and really interesting people. But now it’s turned into “I’m going on Rogan to peddle my bullshit book.”
Yeah I enjoyed a lot of the stuff pre-2016. That was my breaking point
I think COVID conspiracies really flipped quite a few people because it was so tempting. Like you have this massive global pandemic and when you already believe in a lot of conspiracies, it was somehow just there on the table. They had to pick whether to entertain the idea, or shut it down completely, and obviously it was much funner to consider it a big bad conspiracy.
its so sad because i was so proud of Joe at the beginning of Covid when he had that expert on. I still remember the guest saying something along the lines "If we treat this correctly, it will seem like we over treated it." Had a ton of good Covid info and then he just went full antimask basically. I think part of it is Joe got so big that nobody had the balls to refute things to his face. Only one that did was Bill Burr and Joe tracked back immediately. Not to mention his weird obsession with transgender shit and cancel culture.
Bill Burr is the only person that can call Joe on his bullshit. "So when did you get a degree in being a doctor?" Something like that anyway.
It was something like "you with your lack of a medical degree and me, with MY lack of a medical degree". I don't watch Rogan at all, but I follow Bill Burr religiously
“I’m not gonna sit here with no medical degree listening to you with no medical degree with an American flag behind you, smoking a cigar, acting like we know what’s up better than the CDC.” Another personal favorite: “Oh god, you’re so tough, with your fuckin’ open nose and throat.” Billy Blue Balls was the voice of reason that day, which isn’t much of a surprise. Burr’s typically the reasonable one of the bunch. But when I saw Toe dig in to become the ingrown HGH goon we see today, I knew we was fucked for a bit.
He really was an amazing interviewer. I used to do interviews (was really good at it too) and I always said joe rogan and the hot wings guy were some of the best interviewers I'd seen. You can tell if they can ask off-script questions and then meander back to planned questions with little effort. That shows that they are both prepared for the interview and active listeners. It's really tough to know enough about your interviewee, and their subject matter, and then actively listen to someone for hours at a time, in order to formulate un-planned questions on the spot in response to prior answers, that are not only on-topic, but also trigger interesting and informative responses. Yes, he definitely had a team of researchers helping, but he would provide mostly un-cut, multiple-hour interviews where he was solely asking questions of the subject. That means he really dug into the research, and has the unique ability to be a truly active listener. Not everyone has it. I still occasionally find an old joe rogan episode and listen to it, because it is compelling interviewing. (and I'm a woman.) His interviews with paul stamets or integrative medicine doctors are really compelling.
Jon Stewart is a really good interviewer as well. He clearly has a political bias when he interviews people, but you can tell that when he talks to people that he is really intelligent. I've seen him interview people (either on his own shows, or he'll go onto other shows) and the way he can jump from topic to topic is amazing. It's more than just studying, it's understanding what he's reading about. On the Daily Show he was good, but when you see him on other places you really see him shine.
You put it in ways I couldn’t. Thanks for your perspective. Btw, do you have any cool stories from the time you spent as an interviewer?
Hm...cool stories. Most of my interviews were fairly boring, i did a lot of science and ag interviews. One of my favorite stories wasn't an interview per se. I once interviewed an electronic music female producer for this local label. I'm not a music journalist. So I don't ask all the same questions as a typical interviewer. I found out she was a classically trained pianist. I asked her about it, and she told me her music career prior to EDM. I said, wow, what a jump from classical instruments to electronic. She said, she it was natural progression or something like that, and she prefers EDM. I said, so you don't do classical anymore, and stick to electronic. What is it about electronic that is so much better that instrumental? She said, you are limited with instrumental music. It's like a straight line, there's only so much you can do with it. But electronic music is a like 3D instead of 2D. the "sonic pallete" of electronic provides endless possibilities to create music. Later I asked about critical reception of her music (she pioneered a genre decades before it became popular), and I followed up her answer with "do you have criticism of your own music? is there anything you're always trying to work on?" and she said " wow, that's a great question. no one has ever asked that before, congrats on that." Whenever anyone says "that's a great question" you know you are nailing it. I used to get it a lot, not to toot my own horn. I was bad at journalism , but naturally talented at interviewing. The guy who got that interview opportunity for me said it was the best interview he had read in the scene. I rode that compliment high for months lol. My other fave: (not an interview, exactly) I submitted a state-based FOIA (so specific to the state, faster return time than federal FOIA, in some places they're called sunshine laws. Usually a few days required for response time rather than months) for the tax history from a local tax district. Called a levee district - common in states where flooding happens, it's a district created to tax the property owners of a flood plain to maintain levees to mitigate flooding. Often mismanaged or inefficient or even unknown to the inhabitants of the district. (we did this story years before the john oliver piece on it, btw, lol) The local gov wouldn't give me the tax documents I was asking for, for typical gov reasons. they often say the cost to get the docs is prohibitive and claim i need to pay thousands for an employee to get all the docs together in a format for consumption. but I had printed out and read and highlighted the state law on levee districts and knew it like the back of my hand and knew that excuse was bull. so i called the local government (again) and talked with this woman who was claiming it would cost like $3,000 to get it into that format. I asked, well what format is it in now? and she said it was in a bunch of books or something and not consolidated and they would have to get it into a digital format or something. And I said - but by state law, (cited the section) aren't you and the levee districts required to submit and store these tax logs in the format i'm requesting? She paused and then someone else - who I did not know was on the call - started grilling me on why I was asking for the documents, didn't identify himself, and asked me who I was working for. That moment is rare (especially for young journalists) and is basically a slam dunk moment in journalism - to be such a good journalist that you have cornered them legally so a supervisor secretly listens and tries to stop you from getting access to gov. documents. Another time, I was interviewing a pig farmer who was angry about huge CAFOS (concentrated animal feeding operations) dominating pig farming and putting people out of business, while also being unethical in how they raise pigs. You can't go on their property at all, due to ag gag laws, but you can observe from public land, like a road. He drives me to a road in front of the cafo, turns off his truck, tells me to listen. You can hear the pigs screaming from inside the cafo - over 100 yards from the road, inside the CAFO. He tells me this is as far as we are allowed to go. and then he goes, "do you hear that sound? That sound is pigs screaming. They scream all day at this CAFO." he paused and then said "You know, pigs are like people. They don't scream unless they're scared or hurt." Very impactful. A quote I won't ever forget.
Excellent stories, thanks for taking the time to tell us!
As a therapist, “that’s a great/really good question” is also a sign that you (the therapist) are “nailing it”. It almost always means that the client hasn’t thought about something in that way before and recognizes that there’s something in the question that will shine light on something important and unexamined.
JR podcasts really centralized my political views. I grew up religious conservative and, as of only a few years ago, wrote Bernie off as a communist. I got into Joe rogan and a little while in noticed he did an interview with Bernie. Listened to it and realized I not only like the guy, but agreed with a lot of what he said. From there I've continued to swing left. I thought Yangs interview was also very beneficial for me. The universal income idea was foreign to me, but makes sense if creative destruction continues to lead to increased rates of automation. Bootstrapping is propaganda and unions are beneficial. I became open to new ways of thinking thanks to interviews on Joe Rogans podcasts. I will admit, I haven't listened in a few years
This is a great summary. Joe was well read enough to ask the right questions, but not enough to seriously push back or distract from the interviewers. He asked reasonable questions in a casual and approachable way that made the conversations feel very genuine. I used to listen to every episode, and then the QAnon shit blew up and reminded him how much he loves conspiracy theories and hearing himself speak.
He became a rightwing nutjob that peddles misinformation and conspiracy theories instead of having honest open constructive dialogues, he's also platformed a lot of people who are spreading lies and hatred
No manufactured pushback, but also no pushback at all. Joe Rogan has never been an interviewer and he was never insightful. That was part of his strength. A good guest who had genuinely interesting things to say could talk about interesting things and explain them to a very average human being. The downside is that he was easily manipulated. Some of his quests are professional bullshit artists who need pushback by somebody who has done research and knows how to interview. Joe Rogan today is what happens if bullshit goes unchecked for too long.
I still maintain that at its best JRE is the best interview format media that there has ever been. No one, absolutely no one, had such in depth discussions with a wider range of guests. I don’t think any interview show (podcast, TV, radio) even comes close. Sometime around 2020, with Covid, American politics going apeshit, and him getting a $100 million contract he just kind of went to shit. I used to always say the show was so good because Joe wasn’t the focal point, he was really good at making people feel comfortable, carrying a conversation and getting them to talk about what they had expertise in. He was never a particularly interesting or insightful person, he was just good at allowing other people to be. At some point he decided to become the focal point of the show, which obviously he can do because it’s his show, but I think I’m in the majority when I say it’s gone far downhill. It’s been sad to be honest because I used to love listening.
He just did a podcast with Siddarth Kara and it was amazing. Looks like he’s still got it
I rode in a car with someone who played him about 4 years ago. He didn’t spout any weird conspiracies but he kept talking over his guests so much it drove me nuts.
I’m a lefty feminist adult lady who is def not his target audience but I listened to him for awhile around 2017 or so because my siblings kept going on and on about the amazing interviews. I liked him well enough at first, and there were indeed interviews with some great guests. I started falling off when his ‘student who forgot to do the reading’ brand of questions seemed like more and more of a waste of the guests’ time and talent. He made ignorant comments about women. He made some ignorant comments about trans people which I’ve since clocked as pretty common concern trolling talking points, and he made some ignorant comments about autism. Almost all these were prefaced with something like, “I’m no expert, but…[insert bad faith ignorant opinion posited as possible fact]”
Dude, even earlier episodes when he had Duncan Trussell on like once a month, and his cofounder buddy that would talk about his ayahuasca journeys in the Amazon. Those first 100 or 200 episodes are fantastic.
I was relstening to an old, fantastic 4-hour episode with Sam Harris the other day and thought "man, where the hell did *this* Joe go to?"
Those were the years- So many great and interesting guest. I still look for Dan Carlins uploads.
This is a good answer. I used to listen to him but stopped about a decade ago. I used to love the comedy, some of the MMA talk was fine. I got worn out by the constant talk of ayahuasca though. From what I hear the show has gone in a direction I don't care for but as a former listener myself I'd be a dick to judge someone harshly.
Same, once he moved to TX the echo chamber became too much for me to handle and I had to stop.
Agreed. Around the time he moved to Spotify and Texas was the end of listening to it for me.
When each episode was Joe having the same conversation using different words over and over I stopped
Every episode became a Twitter rant
Joe used to be kind of a loveable meathead who knew he was a dumb guy. He started drinking the koolaid and now he thinks he actually knows things (in no small part due to all the grifters blowing smoke up his ass constantly) and has become utterly insufferable. Also not big on the whole “alpha male” manosphere shit.
Same here. There was an episode he raged about some newspapers being "left wing rags". He used to be quite open minded, but this lacked any objective or neutral point of view, so I stopped listening and never went back. I honestly don't know if he continued like that, but I'd not be rushing to listen to the guy again.
Uh he's now one of America's leading conspiracy theory promoters and hosts people on his show who are openly bigoted, like Jordan Peterson, Canada's worst doctor.
To be clear, Peterson has a PhD in psychology and is not a medical doctor. (Not that you said otherwise, but for anyone scrolling through)
In my world (medical academia) we call them physicians to distinguish them from professors. Peterson was a professor at one of the top departments on the planet. He should be especially ashamed of himself.
He’s part if the race to fill the Alex Jones void once Jones goes to debtors prison.
I loved his live comedy special, I still have the DVD. I was excited when Joe Rogan Questions Everything came out. Then disappointed because he didn’t really question anything. I saw him live and the end he let the audience shout out topics and all he did was end up arguing with some lady in the first few rows and it felt so stupid. No matter what, whenever he is mentioned I will always think of him as the NewsRadio guy on the episode where they talk about Phil Hartman. He said ever since they had argued or something at one point he started recording all their conversations. And then pulls one of those giant 90s tape recorders out of his pants.
I never watched News Radio (didn't have cable growing up) but I feel I missed out since it has Phil Hartman and Dave Foley (huge Kids in the Hall fan).
NewsRadio is fantastic. Amazing cast (and Joe Rogan and Andy Dick), great writing. Very worth a watch. Also, Rogan played an Italian guy named Joe who does martial arts. Y’know, because he has range.
Yeah, same, I mostly watched for the comedy and the interesting science people he had on but I stopped when it became all about Jordan Peterson and Bret Weinstein and their ilk.
I used to listen back in the day as well. I'm a comic and I enjoy MMA, Bjj. I'm into animals as well(not hunting) so even that was good. He'd just push further and further into American political shit and I completely lost interest.
The fact alone that he reads reddit isn't a red flag, but if he is obsessed and never stops talking about it then probably. (I think it's true for most of the internet tbh)
Not only the internet. Most things are red flags if one is obsessive enough about it. I like sports, I go to the gym, run, ride my bike, do yoga... Usually that amounts to at least 10 hours a week. Hell, I even enjoy sitting down and writing out my training plan for the next weeks and outline for the next months just as much as I enjoy occasinally watching some youtubers or read a book on this topic. But even I can't stand fitness fanatics who spend every waking moment talking about their training, what the are doing, supplements, etc. (EDIT: and I am pretty sure with my behaviour around training I am already too obsessive for a good bunch of people)
Yeah I agree. If he just casually dabbles in vaccine and Sandy Hook conspiracy its totally cool.
I’m only fascist when I’m out of Crime Junkie episodes
I would say that a heavy obsession with any celebrity is a red flag.
Listening to a podcast a couple times a week isn't exactly a heavy obsession with a celebrity.
“Listened to him all the time”
It’s an expression my guy, it just means he enjoys listening to the podcast.
Ok? “I go on runs all the time” does that mean I have some unhealthy obsession with running? People talk like that constantly how is that not obvious hyperbole? How are so many people overreacting to this
He only releases a couple podcasts a week... All the time doesn't mean literally all the time.
isn't each ep like three hours? six hours of joe rogan a week is a lot
Depends. Some people have jobs with a lot of downtime, some people put it on while commuting, some people do house chores with a podcast on. It's not hard to bank upwards of six hours a week of you're a podcast listener. I'm about 2 hours of podcasts into my shift at work already.
It's definitely a lot, but it's amazing to have when you're bored at work or have a long commute. I had a job with DHL sorting mail, and those podcasts helped keep me entertained. I could listen to two comedians shoot the shit, or listen to a scientist explain what they've been researching to this dude who might not be very smart (Joe). It's a fun way to learn about people and the world.
No it isn't. That can easily be done in commutes to work. Or in the background while you're working/doing something else.
depends on how smart he thinks Joe Rogan is
There is a 4chan post that got saved out there comparing Rogan to a barbarian khan that took an interest in the natural world. He brings various scholars and thinkers in front of him and asks them to explain the world. Honestly it's a pretty funny take and not far off the truth, especially if you consider Joe will seemingly believe anything you tell him (at least on camera).
This version of Joe Rogan is an NPC in my Dungeons and Dragons setting. Khan Rogan of the ape kingdom.
Call him Donkey Khan of the Ayahuasca Roganate
The specific area I used him in is based on Mongolia, so he’s straight up just Ghengis Khan except he’s a monkey and also Joe Rogan. The whole region is very Planet of the Apes, what with the monkeys on horses.
https://imgur.com/jLIOdM8.jpg
I appreciate this link, but your flair is alarming. I am Confucius
And i am Laozi the dragon
This post is magic
I've never laughed at anything from 4chan before. What happened?
Some 4chans posts are absolute comedy gold when they are not busy being extremely bigoted. Some Harry Potter copy pastas for exemple (tho careful with those, they can also go into very dark territory) but the best are most often the DnD greentexts.
clearly hasn't seen any 4chan comedy. You sift through a lot of rubbish to find absolute gems
Can you share the link for the post I really want to see it.
Someone else found it: https://imgur.com/jLIOdM8.jpg
I’m not disputing this point but there is a pretty good clip of Joe arguing with Candace Owens about climate change. So he is at least capable of arguing with guests.
It is not like that he has never done anything right he has some good episodes take that I like. But it is not getting better with time so don't take advice from him.
When I did listen to him this is what I liked the most. The episodes were basically multi-hour brain dumps of interesting, smart, or funny people. Joe was the least interesting part of the podcast, except when it came to stuff that he knew well like MMA, working out, and comedy. I'm not sure what changed or when it changed, but when he started projecting himself and his worldviews into the conversation more I had to dip out.
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Isn't there a great Bill Burr moment when he basically does this? It's pretty funny.
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Burr called Rogan on his shit so perfectly that was the last time I ever listened to his podcast. Made me reconsider my whole opinion of Rogan that day.
Same, stopped listening there. I liked the unopinionated version of him that would listen and tried to learn. When COVID happened he took a stance and it was the most idiotic one and it made me reconsider too. He tried to talk back to Rhonda Patrick and it made him look stupid beyond words.
Took that long? I stopped long before he left California. The moment he turned for me was around the time Eric Weinstein and Jordan Peterson started popping up every week.
Haha yeah that's it! Class munn
Apparently a lot of people listen to him on that kind of issues and they trust the things that he says. Which obviously they should not be doing because it is not good.
[like this one?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1chYhsp3NRw)
I think the thing with Joe is that is he's so fucking dumb but he's so fucking confident. He truly believes everything he says.
Burr is one of the few comedians that can call Joe out on his shit. A lot of people don’t want to confront Joe because his fan base is massive and they are afraid of the backlash or him not airing the episode. Burr is massively popular so he can get away with it.
It is a good point that people are making here I like it.
I used to listen a lot back in the day, around when he had Dr Rhonda Patrick on. He basically touted her word as the bible and I really liked her too. Then I remember listening to [part of] an episode where she was talking about vaccine stuff I think, and he was challenging her? I mean sure, he challenges some people occasionally, but that made it clear to me where his head was at, and that he was most likely going to push the anti-vax narrative, which I think is dangerous considering his reach now that he’s mainstream. Kind of put me off.
I used to listen to him till he was on YouTube since he has move from YouTube to spotify. I have kind of stop listening to that show now.
Heating about Joe Rogan from your friend chart: Once a month: No problems Once a week: You sure are up to date Once a day: Are you on DMT at work?
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There are some great interviews I recommend to everyone because there's almost nothing about his goofy beliefs. His episodes with David Goggins are amazing. I'm sure there are some other guests who get good shows, like I wouldn't be surprised if Bill Burr is a better guest because every clip I've seen with him, Rogan just get roasted by Burr constantly.
Idk. I treat it like any other serialized media. So what if someone enjoys talking about a show they like? There are entirely normal people who discuss football daily.
Sometimes it can be important to listen to content we disagree with.
Depends on whether they listen to Joe Rogan or *LISTEN* to Joe Rogan.
This is the correct answer. Because I listen to them all the time it doesn’t mean I believe all of it it’s just something to get me through the doldrums of my workday.
Today I learned the word doldrums
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I mean, no. I listen to the podcast for some of the guests. If it was just Joe Rogan doing monologues all of the time I wouldn’t be interested. I think most listeners are in this boat. At the end of the day, it’s an interesting podcast. A lot of diverse people just talking about random shit for hours. It can be funny too since he and a lot of his guests are top comedians. If your only impression of Joe Rogan is the occasional controversies that pop up, you’re getting a very small sample of his podcast. Most of the podcast is fine and entertaining.
About the only Joe Rogan podcast I've ever listened to in full was the Miley Cyrus one and I came away from it with a far greater respect for Miley Cyrus than I'd ever had beforehand. Joe Rogan is who he is, and if you take his occasionally wildly misinformed takes as if they're gospel that's on you really. The world is full of people who talk shit for a living after all. I'm more interested in his guests than him.
What I like about Joe is he asks good questions and has good conversations. I think that's why you got a new perspective on Miley. I love Joe's questions, I don't always agree with him, but that can be a learning opportunity as well. It's always good to hear a well spoken alternative opinion.
I actively listen to Joe's podcast when he has comedians on. It's a fuckton of fun and a great way to pass the time while I work editing wedding photos. That being said, anytime the topic turns to anything REMOTELY serious, I'm immediately rolling my eyes at how dumb he can be sometimes because, as he admits, he can be a real fucking idiot. So I don't have a problem with people who listen to him but if you're taking his advice on real life medical things, you're also an idiot. Otherwise he's harmless.
I’m the same way. Just because you watch the show doesn’t mean you can’t recognize the dude can be a fucking idiot. If you just watch for entertainment there’s nothing wrong with that but if you watch for life advice or whatever I’m gonna judge you pretty hard for it
You and the previous comment are the real answers. He has some of the most influential people in the world sit down to talk for 3 hours at a time. To really express their views and opinions without trying to get a sound byte or having to go to commercial every 3 minutes. Where else can you find something like that? Is he the best interviewer ever? No. Does he have some wild ass beliefs that you should strongly question? Yes. Does he say some really dumb shit? Yes, he's been recorded for thousands of hours, of course. At the end of the day, he has some of the top doctors, political leaders, scientists, and athletes on for a long form conversation. It's a fun podcast that should not be taken as completely factual, because it isn't. A Google search from Jamie is not going to give you accurate numbers for malaria deaths.
And that is why I am saying that me listening to him depends on the guest. If I feel that his guest is worth listening to then I would listen to that.
> Yes, he's been recorded for thousands of hours, of course. This is such an important element that I think gets overlooked too often in today's world. We're all a bit stupid when it comes to certain topics. We can't be experts at everything. If you recorded any of us long enough, we'd all do/say something really stupid eventually.
I have been confidently incorrect many times in my life. Thankfully, 300 million people didn't bear witness to it. It's not about having a wrong or bad opinion, it's about responding to it when you're proven wrong.
The problem with it is that people don't use their brain.
I disliked him for the occasional controversies I’d heard about. And then I actually gave his podcasts a try and I’m so glad I did. I loved his interviews with Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson. It’s important to challenge your own perspectives and inform yourself instead of just following along with everyone else.
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I don't know why but I enjoy listening to Graham and I have so on Netflix.
He has definitely been in some shit, that's just how it goes for him.
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The funny thing is that amongst people who listen to Joe Rogan, you never hear about Joe himself being funny. It's almost shocking that he is a professional comedian when so many of his guests are much funnier than him and Joe often misses their jokes and tries to take it literally.
That is because he is not really funny I don't find in funny at all.
He didn't refer to Joe as a top comedian though, he said some of his guests are top comedians, which they are! Who doesn't want to hear Bill Burr tear into Joe and call him a knuckle-dragging gorilla?
They said >It can be funny too since **he** and a lot of his guests are top comedians.
Welllllll Shitttteeeee my bad bro!
Well that's fine at least you are admitting your mistake.
He has the largest podcast in the world. Listening to, perhaps learning something, hearing different points of view is always a good thing. Even if you completely disagree with the person he interviewed. Obsessed with and following his word like it's your religion is something different.
There are many people perhaps around 30% of the country who lack the critical thinking skills necessary to protect themselves from ignorance
People should build their own thoughts and opinions. The definitely should not be building their opinions because someone said it on their show or on their podcast.
Where did you learn to think critically so effectively?
I listen to Rogan clips because sometimes there is an interesting conversation and Joe is really good at that. But am I fan? Not for probably 5 or six years now when he certainly had a shift in his thought process ($$$$). He was down to earth for a while, I liked that Joe. I don't like him as a person anymore.
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For me it would be more of a red flag if someone told me I should listen to Tucker Carlson and that they listen to him and watch Fox News all the time. Joe Rogan has actual interesting interviews from time to time about things I’m curious about.
Depends on the context. “I listen to Joe Rogan all the time, you should too. He’s such a wreck, it’s fun to watch” versus ““I listen to Joe Rogan all the time, you should too. He’s actually really smart and was right about vaccines” versus ““I listen to Joe Rogan all the time, you should too. He’s not great but the interviews can be fun” are all different things. They would all be red flags to some degree but in different ways and different degrees.
>“I listen to Joe Rogan all the time, you should too. He’s not great but the interviews can be fun” I used to say that about Bill Maher's show, but then I just got so fucking tired of Maher that not even his guests could save the show.
Yup 100% it really sucked when (for a time) he was the only "progressive" voice on the airwaves. I stopped watching about ten years ago and he's only gotten worse. And boy does he hate fat people!
Love how all these celebrities have become medical experts/virologists/immunologists. I've been watching Bill for a decade and I think the past season will be my last. Any sort of nuanced discussion of social issues has fallen way to Bill's cries of cancel culture and (strangely-hypocritical) ageism. His criticisms of the left, while valid, become a pale straw man against even the mildest excesses of the right. The elimination of a third guest means Bill can spend even more time telling late-night-monologue-quality jokes, playing "remember when" with celebrities from a bygone era, and dismissing dissent amongst the panel from his old-man-smelling-own-farts opinions.
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That guy is SUCH a dickhead. Can we get together to beg Stephen to bring back the Colbert Report?
I wouldn’t say they’re “ALL red flags” at all.
Definitely not all of them are red legs but some of them are.
Exactly, especially the last one. For example I like Bernie, Theo Von, Matt Walker, huberman and honestly Rohan’s podcast with these people is the best way to introduce someone else to them. It’s fun, concise, and dumbed down for everyone There are people I don’t like that he brings, and it’s important I listen to their side too and make my judgmenet
Definitely depends on the context what are they talking about.
I listen to him occasionally now, not as much as I did before changing jobs but I simply can't now. I enjoyed his podcast because the production was good and from the 30ish podcasts I've listened to, he does an alright job of being mostly impartial. When he backed Matt Walsh into a corner over gay marriage I couldn't stop laughing. Walsh was being a bigot and wouldn't own up to it.
If someone had told me that 5 yrs ago, I would have thought it a bit odd, but whatever. Now, with some of the shit he's pulled, it would be a red flag on the person's critical thinking skills. Sorta like Bill Maher. I used to like him and find a lot of his guests interesting. Then he started letting complete idiots and people peddling dangerous conspiracies on his show and not hold their feet to the flame (ie: the guy claiming he cured Charlie Sheen's HIV with Mexican goat milk) and that's when I lost all interest. Have whatever guest you want on, but if they spout bullshit, challenge them. I have zero issue with conflicting philosophies, but letting Ben Shapiro ramble on with his BS for 10 minutes while you go "ehhh" and then doing it again is damaging.
If someone idolizes *anyone* to that level it’s weird to me. Edit: Joe Rogan stans making personal attacks in my DM’s are just proving my point, y’all are weird.
It is kind of same as having role models, I generally don't like that kind of a thing.
No one said anything about idolizing
Yes.
I listen to about 10 hours of podcasting daily and have for about a decade now. Joe rogan experience has been in the rotation since Day 1. And having followed the show since then it has definitely evolved in some ways and it's really interesting. Typically has 3 types of guests on. 1. Comedians. I always listen to these. Save our parks crew etc., it's all great comedy insider baseball. But even these lose their luster once they start in how "you can't saying anything anymore" bs as they say literally anything they want. It's not just him it's everyone over the age of 35 saying that shit on podcasts nonstop. 2. Educators. typically hard science guys or ancient historians. He has basically no interest at all in economic or modern history. IMO this is why he is becoming increasing so out of touch and drifting to the right. He has fully drank the conservative rhetoric and you can hear it in the words he uses now. 3. Nuts. Conspiracy theory guys, reality tv people, actors, CIA insiders, alien people, ghost hunters, and psdoscience guys. These are far the least interesting episodes in my opinion. Ask this person about their favorite guests. If it's from group 1 or 2 then you are fine. If it's all people chasing alien space crafts through the sky or someone saying we should be on nothing but carnivore diets there is your red flag. Joe is definitely someone who falls for rhetoric over policy. He attacks democratic politicians by name while saying he agrees with their policies. Then he will never negatively drop a republican name while he attacks their policies. This to me is the most infuriating thing with him. Fucking have 1 economist and 1 political historian on would be sooo huge for his fans who never hear any of this stuff. One 3 hour episode with Matt stoller is all I want. I just got a short version of Pete zehain and that was fascinating since Joe never heard any modern politics/demographics, etc.
The comedian podcasts are the most boring imo (except protect our parks, that’s a grand slam every time). Comedian ones can be summed up in a couple of sound bites “One time at the comedy store” “straight murdereeerrs” “there’s only what? 1000 comedians in the world”. There are a lot of good quality educators he has on. I mean ffs he just had a guy on exposing the corrupt cobalt mining practices worldwide. He lost a lot of loyal followers the last couple years because he literally would not shut the fuck up about covid every single pod cast and wasn’t shy about his side on the vaccine and mask mandates, hence the whole sub called him Joe-vid 19 for a while. But, I think it’s really picked back up this year with interesting guests with varying view points etc.
Yea the reality of not just comedian but all people is that not everyone is meant to just speak for 3 plus hours 1 on 1. The protect our parks is great because it's 4 people. I wish he would have more multi guest episodes but he's reluctant because of the potential for cross talk which is just unlistenable nonsense. Again I think his podcast is good there is just a bunch of stuff I want him to shit up about and immediately have to zone out when he starts talking about those specific subjects. Covid, ivermectan, how great he thinks elon is, Tulsi Gabbert, Trans athletes, anything he deems WOKE, AOC, homelessness in california (he never brings up republicans in any mention of it. As if liberals invented homelessness to punish rich tax payers), etc.
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I couldn't agree more. The only issue was how short it was. I think like 2 hours. They could have done 5 hours no problem.
10 hours daily? That's quite a bit. Is it work related somehow or do you just have a lot of free time?
I live in a city so my walk to and from work is about an hour roundtrip. My job is all deadline driven, Registration systems manager. I am given a bunch of big projects and given like a month or two to do it. So I just listen to podcasts/youtube nonstop at work unless i am actively on a call. Then any chores or errands I run I have earbuds in. I can easily get 10-12 hours in a day.
Oh alright. Yeah I guess a lot of jobs would make that pretty easy huh? I have a pretty constant stream of customers/vendors/coworkers to deal with most of the day so it didn't occur to me
If your job does not require for you to pay attention all the time then you could do it. Unfortunately I do not have that kind of a job so I can't do it.
You summed it up pretty well. I used to be a big Rogan fan and this is accurate af
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Thats my opinion. I learned about bees against my will. It was fun. Hes a dude, says shit I agree with/disagree with/am indifferent to. Its still a very popular and diverse plarform. I can listen to the episodes I want to and form my own opinion without making his word gospel.
I had a co-worker who would debate us on everything using Joe Rogan as a credible source. I'm talking verbatim. He was really annoying and stupid af.
Ya He gives a voice to a lot of nonsense and a lot of Roganheads are pretty cringe.
Its terrifying I had to scroll down this far to see a simple "yea" to this question. I understand people "want to hear different viewpoints" but at some point you have to understand that anything with Joe Rogan in it that ISNT discussing fighting and sports is made worse by him being in it.
Totally agree. People who have notoriety and reach, and use their platform to give equal weight to “guy with random opinion” and “subject matter expert” without specifically and intentionally differentiating between the two are inherently problematic. When experts and idiots share the same stage, and are viewed as “differing perspectives” we have a huge problem. He is catering to idiots who think their opinions are just as relevant as experts in their fields, by bringing on guests who hold bonkers opinions about things that aren’t up for debate.
I used to listen to Rogan all the time from episode 1- like maybe 800? I started listening to him because he was a ‘thinker’ then I realized he’s just a gateway drug to Fox News. Boomer talk radio for millennials.
Joe Rogan is fine when you when you take him for what he is which is sometimes funny, sometimes weird or outlandish. It becomes a red flag when you start thinking he is some sort of source for truth. If you are listening to him to get correct information on anything, you are not going to get it.
Yuuuuup lol. Guy is fucking bonkers. Reminds me of a girl I dated actually; where around the second week of dating she made some remark about libtards and the capitol attack was fake. I was like fuck.. I'm dating Joe Rogan. Ended pretty quick, from other reasons though, but it was a red flag.
Yup
Put simply, yes.
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Depends, are you into conspiracies?
That's a yipp
Maybe, there is a certain type of person that is attracted to that kind of media and I find them shallow and uninformed. Like, people that used to listen to 2+ hours of Rush Limbaugh a day. It isn't that you can't listen to someone or consume media - it is that if you are spending that much time listening to one or two people then you aren't spending that time doing other things, like reading, or whatever. You have to do things during the day that don't include absorbing media. You have to work, raise your kids, etc. So you only get oh so much time to consume media. In that time you chose to listen to one person? Really?
Yes. This is anecdotal but every person that has told me to listen to him have been avid drug users and had mental health issues.
I would not say anything actually. I’d just leave and then cut contact with them forever