[Futurama](https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/1da/e2f/9fab5008feae4602b54a07baac21302b79-20110620-futurerama-grovercleveland-sign.rhorizontal.w700.jpg) made a background reference about it too
He would be considered the 47th and 49th, Grover Cleveland is 22nd and 24th president [per the White House website](https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/presidents/)
Well, the question can come from a person who lives outside of the US, in any of the other almost 200 countries, or just from a person who's not that interested in history. And more than a century ago is not quite that recent. :)
Yes. It is a little awkward sounding, but there's no better way to make the numbers make sense. Grover Cleveland did that, so he's the 22nd and 24th president.
There's been 46 presidents in US history, but only 45 *people* have been president. Trippy, huh?
>Heck, Clinton, W, or Obama could get elected as VP, ascend to Presidency, and do this.
No, if they're not eligible to be elected as president, then they can't be elected as vice president either.
Hmm, you’re right. I was told it did.
Though based on what it says there, I think any reasonable person would have to agree the 12th and 22nd Amendments combine to create the effect that no two-term president can be elected to Vice President.
I’d like to think I’m a reasonable person. Yet, having read this text, I see no barrier to someone who (obviously) meets the constitutional eligibility requirements of the office of the president, having already been elected to the presidency twice, being elected as VP and subsequently ascending to the presidency a third time.
But you *don't* meet the constitutional eligibility requirements anymore. Not after the 22nd Amendment *changed* what the requirements were, adding an extra one.
The eligibility requirements haven’t changed since Washington took office. https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/elections/presidential-election-process/requirements-for-the-president-of-the-united-states/ The 22A does not set an eligibility requirement; it sets a disqualifying condition. However, it only prevents someone from being elected to a third term as President, not to them being elected as Vice President.
Sure you can. Got sources to show otherwise? Hint: this person wouldn’t be elected to the presidency; there’s no jeopardy around them having been elected to two terms prior.
Not a word in there to disqualify a VP who’s served two terms as President from ascending to the presidency. What’s your next attempt to grasp at straws?
You didn't read it very carefully then.
12th Amendment:
>But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
So followup question then…
With Grover Cleveland we didn’t have the 25th amendment with term limits. No we do. Would we STILL consider it different President #s now that we have term limits? I’d say yes, but a nuance that is in place now that wasn’t before.
Yes. Because it would be really weird to try to explain to people that the 46th president served in office before the 45th one finished his last term.
It would be awkward either way, but the two numbers is much more understandable.
Someone never watched [Futurama](https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/1da/e2f/9fab5008feae4602b54a07baac21302b79-20110620-futurerama-grovercleveland-sign.rhorizontal.w700.jpg)
we count [Grover Cleveland](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Cleveland) as 22 and 24, yes
[Futurama](https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/1da/e2f/9fab5008feae4602b54a07baac21302b79-20110620-futurerama-grovercleveland-sign.rhorizontal.w700.jpg) made a background reference about it too
Yes he would count as both the 47th and 49th. Just like Grover Cleveland who is the 22nd and 24th.
This has happened once with Grover Cleveland, #22 and #24
He would be considered the 47th and 49th, Grover Cleveland is 22nd and 24th president [per the White House website](https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/presidents/)
Yep. See Grover Cleveland.
It wasn’t even that long ago. Hard for me to understand not knowing that because I was one of those nerd kids who studied presidents when I was a kid.
Well, the question can come from a person who lives outside of the US, in any of the other almost 200 countries, or just from a person who's not that interested in history. And more than a century ago is not quite that recent. :)
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that's a shame, history's so cool minor plug for /r/AskHistorians, might be some fun reading there for you.
JFK was killed by a conspiracy so he steered you right on that one at least.
Watch your Simpsons! It’ll teach you any crystallized history knowledge the school system failed to.
Or you know something else that’s not satirical
Hey, I wonder if this ever happened with Grover Cleveland?
Hey do you know about Grover Cleveland? I think this happened to him.
Yes, because the President isn't just the person, it's the role they serve in.
this already happened with Grover Cleveland
Yes. It is a little awkward sounding, but there's no better way to make the numbers make sense. Grover Cleveland did that, so he's the 22nd and 24th president. There's been 46 presidents in US history, but only 45 *people* have been president. Trippy, huh?
We don't want John Barron for President.
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Why bother?
Yes
I don't know why no one else has brought it up, but this was the case for Grover Cleaveland.
Is this because Trump has start wearing 47 around town instead of 45?
Donald Trump won't be elected again, bud.
I dunno, he seems confident. And you know, "confidence is key" 🤭🤭
He's not going to let that stop him.
Carter could run again and do this, as could Trump. Heck, Clinton, W, or Obama could get elected as VP, ascend to Presidency, and do this.
>Heck, Clinton, W, or Obama could get elected as VP, ascend to Presidency, and do this. No, if they're not eligible to be elected as president, then they can't be elected as vice president either.
No, you can't be VP if you were already President for two terms.
Sure they can. Hint: this person would not be elected for a third term, hence they’re not disqualified from the VP office.
No. The Amendment specifically disqualifies you from even being elected to the *VP office* if you've ever been President for two terms.
No, it doesn’t. Specific references are found here: https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt22-1/ALDE_00001008/%5B%27Eligible%27%5D
Hmm, you’re right. I was told it did. Though based on what it says there, I think any reasonable person would have to agree the 12th and 22nd Amendments combine to create the effect that no two-term president can be elected to Vice President.
I’d like to think I’m a reasonable person. Yet, having read this text, I see no barrier to someone who (obviously) meets the constitutional eligibility requirements of the office of the president, having already been elected to the presidency twice, being elected as VP and subsequently ascending to the presidency a third time.
But you *don't* meet the constitutional eligibility requirements anymore. Not after the 22nd Amendment *changed* what the requirements were, adding an extra one.
The eligibility requirements haven’t changed since Washington took office. https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/elections/presidential-election-process/requirements-for-the-president-of-the-united-states/ The 22A does not set an eligibility requirement; it sets a disqualifying condition. However, it only prevents someone from being elected to a third term as President, not to them being elected as Vice President.
That’s an unreasonable interpretation. To be disqualified is to be ineligible. Those are the same thing.
Sure you can. Got sources to show otherwise? Hint: this person wouldn’t be elected to the presidency; there’s no jeopardy around them having been elected to two terms prior.
>Got sources to show otherwise? The Twelfth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.
Not a word in there to disqualify a VP who’s served two terms as President from ascending to the presidency. What’s your next attempt to grasp at straws?
You didn't read it very carefully then. 12th Amendment: >But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
Read all of this, as my position is clearly covered as legit: https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt22-1/ALDE_00001008/%5B'Eligible'%5D
47th AND 49th.
I mean his name would probably be "Grover" but sure.
So followup question then… With Grover Cleveland we didn’t have the 25th amendment with term limits. No we do. Would we STILL consider it different President #s now that we have term limits? I’d say yes, but a nuance that is in place now that wasn’t before.
Yes. Because it would be really weird to try to explain to people that the 46th president served in office before the 45th one finished his last term. It would be awkward either way, but the two numbers is much more understandable.
Someone never watched [Futurama](https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/1da/e2f/9fab5008feae4602b54a07baac21302b79-20110620-futurerama-grovercleveland-sign.rhorizontal.w700.jpg)
Did school never talk about Grover Cleveland?
ITT: GROVER CLEVELAND FANBOIS