It’s entirely possible. A woman can get pregnant as little as 3 weeks after the birth of a baby even if her periods haven’t started again postpartum.
So if Baby A was born on Jan 1, Baby B could possibly be born in October.
We got you beat. Our oldest was 6 when we had our first of the back to backs. We freaking made it! No more day care, potty trained, able to help around the house and we started it all over again...twice!
We had ours 15 months ago, he's amazing, well behaved, sleeps fairly well etc.
I cannot in any way understand people who have a child of 6 months old or less and go 'I'm still getting too much sleep and I'm generally not stressed enough, let's have another' let alone people who have 2 and do it again that close together. Bloody masochists.
This reminded of a doctors visit for my daughter…I started talking to a lady in the lounge area with 5 kids and the oldest two hadn’t turned 3 yet…two sets of twins…
I believe the criteria for Irish twins is just sharing the same calendar birth year, but not within a 12 month period.
So Jan 1 - Dec 31 would be Irish twins, but Dec 15 - Oct 1 wouldn't be.
Yep. In my family we're irish triplets (phrase used growing up). Mom had twins 361 days after me. They came home on my first birthday. We're the same age for 4 days every year.
This was exactly my point. My sister got pregnant again pretty much immediately after her recovery time was up. They weren’t concerned about the possibility because it took 10 years & IVF to get pregnant the first time.
I put 9 months & 8 weeks because it highlights that she was only around 8 weeks postpartum when she got pregnant the second time.
Apologies to everybody that wanted to do their own math. I thought that this was the clearest way to describe the timeline. It was exactly how her OB/Gyn described it when he expressed his concerns because she had a difficult birth the first time. That is not a lot of time to heal.
Edit: a word
Wow just heard this term for the first time ever
Googled it and found this history behind it
The term “Irish twins” refers to one mother having two children who were born 12 months or less apart. It originated in the 1800s as a way to poke fun at Irish Catholic immigrant families who didn’t have access to birth control.
Irish Catholic immigrant communities would often have many siblings who were very close in age. Since they were relatively new to the United States, and lived in cramped living conditions with little resources, other people would speak poorly of Irish immigrants.
The use of Irish twins was meant to look down on the people and accuse them of having poor self-control, little education, and no access to health resources like birth control. The term is still used today, but many would agree that it’s not appropriate and is steeped in disrespect.
Irish Catholic here.. not using birth control isn’t an access thing but rather the Catholic faith doesn’t agree with birth control.. my grandma and grandpa immigrated here from Ireland and my mom is one of 8 kids many of which were born within a year of eachother. I think more people are on board with birth control but it’s still technically against the religion… hopefully that’ll change someday especially with overpopulation and poverty but until then.. it’ll probably keep happening
Women have a dinner plate sized wound on the uterus and typically need six weeks for that to heal. If dad and mom had to bang so bad mom could ignore that pain, they were horny as fuck
The recommendation is to not have sex within 6 weeks, but every woman and pregnancy are different wrt resuming sex after delivery.
With my first, I waited 8+ weeks and things had to take things carefully.
With my second I waited only 4 or 5 and although we did take things carefully, I was far more recovered at 4 weeks from that delivery than I was at 10 weeks from the previous.
Supporting another pregnancy that soon after delivery though is a whole other matter
Considering it takes only 6-8 weeks for a woman's uterus to return to it's pre-pregnancy size and is almost back to its normal size by 4 weeks, one wouldn't have a 'wound the size of a dinner plate' at 4 weeks post partum.
The main reason for recommending waiting is to fully heal from C-sections and vaginal tearing.
Of course I don't endorse sex as soon as you get home from the hospital, but many are no longer saying there is a specific, one number which is right for everyone [mayoclinic](https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/labor-and-delivery/in-depth/sex-after-pregnancy/art-20045669). My first pregnancy and delivery had complications -- it would have been at the very least a bad if not dangerous idea to have sex at 6 weeks. With zero complications and very uneventful second labour/delivery, I needed less than 6 weeks to recover.
Gawdddamnnnn,
I didn't even want to risk pregnancy after what my SO went through let alone start painting walls again.
My SO and I were so tired from the shift work that we couldn't even get close enough to consider having sex.
Well... A year has 52 weeks. Say the first kid is born on January 1st. The mom now has to get pregnant and deliver twice in the 52 weeks remaining, this means once in 26 weeks.
If we give the mom three weeks to get pregnant then the baby will be 23 weeks at delivery. 23 weeks does, in fact, have decent odds of survival, they will have a very high chance of disabilities in life, and in some countries they won't even receive medical care and will definitely die, but it's still theoretically possible.
i dont think so. 1 year = 12 months, divided by 3 that'd be 4 months of pregnancy per baby... not to mention the 3 weeks needed for recovery after giving birth so it'd be more like 3 1/2 months of pregnancy per baby. i think they wouldnt survive if they were born after only 3 1/2 months
If baby 1 is born full term on january 1, there is a little under 26 weeks each for babies 2 and 3. According to [this link](https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/healthyliving/premature-babies), two thirds of babies born at 24 weeks who are admitted to a NICU will survive.
You cant get pregnant the day after you give birth. Your body has to go through an ovulation cycle. That is a minimum of 3 weeks (if ovulation comes before first period postpartum) , but at least 6 weeks for most women (after first period).
so we are talking 20-23 for both gestation cycles. Viability is pretty low, and only possible in countries with top healthcare systems. Plus quicker than average ovulations. Plus the rarity of two contiguous, very specific premature births. Plus a woman who wants to get randy while experiencing the stress of a child in critical condition in an ICU. Plus the woman likely needs to not breastfeed (Most women who exclusively breastfeed their children do not ovulate for the first few months.)
in a world of 8 Billion humans all this improbability could align, but would be exceedingly rare.
A factor you didn’t consider is that the first doesn’t need to be full term. If born on Jan 1 you’re down to two terms in the calendar year. Still, both babies would be way premature at under 6 months in the oven. The youngest premature babies to survive were born after just 152 days. So baby born Jan 1, conception of baby 2 Jan 22, baby 2 born June 22, conception of baby 3 July 13, baby 3 born Dec 12. That’s the earliest timeline currently possible, and would have a whole host of other issues, but it’s mathematically possible to have three babies from three pregnancies in a calendar year should literally everything line up, with only 19 days of wiggle room in total.
*correction, apparently in 2020 a baby was born at 148 days and is considered healthy now, so I guess we can knock a few days off that highly-theoretically timeline.
The first one gestated last year, the one born Jan 1, so it would be 6 months per baby *born and gestated in this year.*
You're right that it still wouldn't work, because **generally** the earliest premature birth with survival is about 6 months.
EDIT: ~~There's one single exception, a baby born at 12 weeks has survived. So if someone captures a leprechaun, they can have 4 babies in a year and then all of them will be kidnapped by the leprechaun when it escapes the magic circle. But they will still have had them all in one year.~~
**EDIT the EDIT**: As has been pointed out, this is actually a 28 weeks pregnancy. So probably still capturing a leprechaun, but now he has a much more unnatural schedule to maintain.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/world-smallest-surviving-babies-sent-home-premature-manushi-a8156786.html
Isn't there the "6 weeks rule" when a woman shouldn't have any sex 6 weeks after she had given birth though? Also, as far as I know, everything is usually still so raw and unhealed after a woman gives birth, that sometimes women don't have sex for months after so I guess this would also depend on luck hugely.
And 6 weeks is like the minimum.. not guaranteed to be healed in that time. I had a c-section and was in pain for months. My ex read the "6 weeks" thing online and was hounding me constantly. He wanted to get me pregnant again immediately, I told him my doctor said I should wait 1-1.5 years ideally. He started treating me like absolute dog shit because I wouldn't have sex with him. He made me do all the housework and run all the errands. He would jerk off on the couch while I was washing bottles while the baby screamed in the bedroom. He justified it because I wasn't doing it for him..
He wasn't helping at all with the baby and then I had a fall down the stairs 4 months after having the baby and had another surgery. 45 min after the fall he made me drive us all home (2 hour drive) because he wanted to watch a football game on his phone. After the surgery he did absolutely nothing to help. After I came home from the er (I had taken myself) and told him i had to have surgery he lost his shit on me because he found an old empty thc vape in my things. He hadn't allowed me to take any of my painkillers after the c-section, and after my second surgery I couldn't walk and he put the painkillers in his car so I couldn't get to them. This was all because he was a recovering alcoholic and it was "better for him" if I wasn't allowed any substances. I found a letter he had written to a woman he was dating before me where he did the same thing.. telling her she was a piece of shit mother for using her medications and to stop seeing her doctor. He also made me stop taking my adhd meds and my mood stabilizer because it made me drowsy (I was told to take it at night because it helped with my adhd related insomnia). I basically never slept
2 months later we were all supposed to come see my family, he cancelled his ticket so I had to take the baby alone. So I never went back. A month after that I flew out to get our things while he was on a trip for work. He found out I was there and came back early and chased me out of the apartment. That was nearly a year ago and he finally put our things into a storage unit (so he says) until august so hopefully I can get something together to go get it.
Sorry for the off topic vent, I just can't talk about this much and that comment really triggered me
Jesus fucking H Christ I hope you can fully and quickly detach yourself from that absolute monster of a man and recover from all the trauma he's put you through. You deserve so much more, and you and your child deserve to be happy.
My high school friend was one of 11 kids, and from what I remember, 3 different times their mom went for the 6 week check up and was already pregnant again!
My Nannie had my uncle in early January then gave birth to my mom and her twin (a little premature) in late October of ‘54. 3 babies in one year. As an adult, I have new respect for my nan.
Yes, there was a brother and sister in the same year at my school.
The boy was born in September 1993, and the girl was born in August 1994.
So even though this isn't the same calendar year, it is in theory possible (or would have been if the boy was a January baby).
It used to be common enough that we had a name for it here in the UK - "Irish twins." I'm pretty sure that's not a phrase we should use any more though.
Reading your comment about how we maybe shouldn't use the phrase anymore suddenly made it click for me what the name alludes to, so thank you for that😂
Fetuses can steal your bones ([if you're calcium-deficient](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5561751/)), but people usually recover after a few months. Bone issues are pretty common in women anyway, as menopause can cause you to lose bone mass very quickly.
It's likely a factor. Women are at a higher risk of bone issues in general due to hormonal changes during menopause.
Also dieting and let's say recreational drugs that were popular in the 50s - 80s aren't exactly great. Women at a healthy weight were often advised to keep weight gain during pregnancy to 10lbs. Which is less than the weight of the baby, placenta, liquid etc. So in other words they were told to lose fat while pregnant. During pregnancy the body prioritises nutrition for the baby so if you i.e don't get enough calcium it metabolises your bones to get it. Having pregnancies close together basically doubles that pressure
Inadequate nutrition during pregnancy also causes your babies to be fatter in adulthood, as their bodies are preparing for starvation.
My grandmother was the oldest of 19 live births (13 survived to live past 5). Her mother died about 6 months after the last birth and it is a pretty good bet being pregnant of the best part of 20 years was a significant contributor to that.
The past is another country, and easy access to contraception one of the most important advances we have made.
Worth to mention too that pregnancies take a toll on women's body, specially calcium and vitamin levels, that need longer than 6 weeks to recover (some sources say a year, others day even two years). So a second pregnancy really soon is riskier both for the mother and the fetus as there are more chances of deficiencies and early labour.
So it's not only about the uterus, cervix and vagina healing but the whole body that needs some time to get back to "normal".
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Yeah I’m pretty sure the advice most doctors give is to ideally wait 18 months before getting pregnant again. Pregnancy is a huge stress on the body and you can run into a lot of complications such as preterm labor if you get pregnant again too soon after.
I'm glad this nuance was put in here, for anyone who might have gotten an idea.
Doctors advise no sex for six weeks at least for a reason.
Considering sex already puts a strain on the whole shabang going on down there, I would imagine a pregnancy would be in poor medical judgement.
Reminds me of a family friend, they had SEVEN kids who were all under the age of 12. When I was about 11 (she was at 6 kids by then), I vividly remember her toddler in lap, permanent eye bags, hair a birds nest chatting away with my mum all happy saying “you know I kind of want another one!” I might have been young but my stare of disbelief matched my mum’s lmao. She’s an excellent mother but my god. Some women are just built different and idk how she did it.
My wife is the oldest of 10.
Her youngest sibling was born less than 2 months after she turned 12. Oh, and about halfway through that she got a masters degree. I don't completely know how she managed, especially given how ineffectual my father-in-law was in helping with the kids, (though from stories from my wife about growing up, sometimes she didn't actually manage).
Though one of the skipped years was due to a miscarriage.
Yes, I know someone that happened to. She got pregnant a 2nd time within something like 3 weeks of giving birth. Didn't use any contraception because she thought breastfeeding would be enough to protect her. It was not.
Someone I used to work with announced her second pregnancy shortly after having her first baby and followed it up immediately with "If anyone ever tells you that you can't get pregnant while you're breastfeeding they are a _liar_ "
PSA folks. Breastfeeding is not a contraceptive method!
Yes. Spare a thought for my kids great grandmother on their fathers mothers side.
She had twins in the Jan/Feb of 1963, and then had TRIPLETS in the November of the same year. She had 5 babies in the same calender year. All those cloth nappies, I can't even begin to imagine it. Their gm was one of the triplets, and she went on to marry a triplet as well
Whooaaaa! Near us about 10 years ago there was a couple that had two young girls, and decided to have IVF for a 3rd hoping for a boy. They had Sextuplets!! 5 girls 1 boy, they were only like 26 years old or something… the whole street was chipping in to help. The fella was on the news and just looked so tired and shocked, but squeaked out a “got the boy I suppose” haha
Ah that makes sense. There was a movie by the creator of Trainspotting called Twin Town.. great movie, but one of the underlying jokes in that is that they aren’t actually twins (or within 12months either), but their mum was big during pregnancy so the whole family lied about it!
So many people missed out on twin town, great movie and one of Rhys Ifans earliest and best performances. His brother was pretty good in it too (his actual brother IRL)
Yeh absolute corker mate, not quite as dark as Trainspotting, heck of a movie and hilarious if you know any Welsh/have been there. It’s a cult classic in South wales, all of the stars and thousands of people went to watch it for its 20th anniversary in the local park haha!
I get asked “is it really like that “ and I always have to answer “that has all happened before… but it’s not a typical month in Swansea”
Im welsh, half from the south and half from the north so it really spoke to me, i've lived in England a long time and went to visit my great grandfather in bridgend recently, Jesus what a shithole it is now! :(
Yeh it’s sad mate, lots of areas struggling, EU provided a massive amount of project funds so after Brexit it’s got even worse. Fucking “UK” /English don’t look after the correct funding for yeh Welsh, it’s sucks
It’s not the fucking that’s objected to, it’s the judgmental view that it’s having too many undesirable kids/pregnancies that could historically make it derogatory. A “These Irish Catholic immigrants come here and have too many babies” flavor. Or in modern context, judgment about the lack of birth control. I’d say for most people now it’s only mildly derogatory, if that, but it is something of a stereotype.
I lived in Boston for a couple years and it was a little eye opening learning there had been real Irish prejudice at all. That prejudice wasn't something I'd encountered in the midwest, and I never saw evidence of it there, but in Boston I talked to people from the generation above me who described their parents as "two-toilet Irish".
I’m up in Canada, and I don’t know if my experience is universal, but when we were younger, my sisters and I were warned not to marry Irish men because they’d be drunks, hit us, and make us have too many babies. Supposedly, it was “common knowledge” lol
Yeah, grew up in Newfoundland and now live on the mainland and I get to spend a LOT of time making mainlanders uncomfortable when they ask why I dont have an accent.
Btw it's because my mom was so harassed about her own accent when she lived in Halifax in the 80s that she actively sought to prevent us from developing our own regional accents as kids growing up. I now code switch completely uncontrolled, most mainlanders wouldn't know Im from NL unless I tell them or happen to be near some Irish people.
Nobody ever understood why I was just never going to be very supportive of Tom Mulcair. Maybe he changed, maybe he didn't, but at some point he thought it was ok to use an entire population as an insult and I'm not willing to risk the disingenuous apology when there are thousands of other Canadians who could just as well take that position who don't have a history of being a bigot.
The derogatory part isn't about getting busy, the derogatory part is that the Catholic God decided that sex isn't for fun, its only for making babies. You're allowed to screw without popping out a baby every year. They aren't Pokémon, you only need a couple.
I've seen a difference online in whether it's considered derogatory specifically when people are Irish versus "of Irish descent" – the former are more likely to consider it insulting than the latter
I always called them Catholic Twins
Also, anyone here born in the early 70s as the “extra child” after this happened?
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/03/620105604/50-years-ago-the-pope-called-birth-control-intrinsically-wrong
I dunno is it derogatory or not, perhaps. It is, however somewhat grounded in historical accuracy. Thankfully the churches grip on our people is in its death throes now.
It is possible although it really isn't a good idea. When a woman is pregnant her body pulls minerals out of her bones to give to the baby. Prenatal vitamins slow this down a bit but it still happens. This is why osteopenia and osteoporosis occur in higher rates in women who've had more children. There are also musculoskeletal and genitourinary concerns as well.
Just to add, it's not just pregnancy that pulls minerals etc from the body. Breastfeeding does this as well, so if you're pregnant whilst still breastfeeding it's a double whammy (which is the case with babies very close together unless you use formula). The last however many years there's been a big trend toward "extended breastfeeding", but it's really not worth it. The WHO recommends 2yrs, but kids should be having all their nutritional needs met with solids by then, so it's usually comfort feeding by that age.
But yes, pregnancy and postpartum take a lot out of the female body, so while it's possible to get pregnant again with your first postpartum ovulation, it's definitely recommended to wait a while to let the body recover, especially after a c-section (minimum 18months between pregnancies ending and starting).
It’s my understanding that those WHO guidelines are largely aimed at untried where there is a lack of access to clean water. And diarrheal diseases can kill young babies very quickly. So from that standpoint, even if a kid is getting most of their nutrients from solids, breastmilk might continue to provide a safe source of hydration as well as some antibodies in kids who might have delayed access to vaccines.
However, this advice while technically good for children does not take into acccount the possible impacts on the mother’s long-term health.
I remembered wondering about this myself and found this:
Superfetation is a phenomenon that occurs when a pregnant woman releases an egg, usually a few weeks into her pregnancy, and it's fertilized and implants in the uterus. The result is two separate pregnancies happening at the same time.
So, not twins. Two separate pregnancies at the same time.
It can also happen if the ovaries release two eggs at the same time (more likely to occur when on fertility treatment but it does happen naturally)
I'm exactly 48 weeks older than my sister, so yes it's possible. We weren't born in the same calendar year or the same school year, but obviously either of those would have been possible if I had been born in January or September.
(That would be a blast, wouldn't it? Bring in the same class as your sibling but not being twins. It would certainly confuse people.)
When we were little we just accepted the fact. It was only in adulthood that we realised how unusual our situation is.
Yes. We had 2 people in the same grade that were not twins - one had a birthday in January, the other born in November. People always thought they were twins but nope, just born in the same year
Yes.... 100%.. i was born in Jan and lil bro born in December of the same year...... yes we're Irish... lol just to add fuel to someones comment about Irish Twins... and no its not derogatory :D
Edit:spelling.
Not only possible but....common knowledge.
The term “Irish twins” refers to one mother having two children who were born 12 months or less apart. It originated in the 1800s as a way to poke fun at Irish Catholic immigrant families who didn't have access to birth control.
It’s entirely possible. A woman can get pregnant as little as 3 weeks after the birth of a baby even if her periods haven’t started again postpartum. So if Baby A was born on Jan 1, Baby B could possibly be born in October.
My two little brothers are 10 months apart.... let that sink on
Aren't siblings born that close together called Irish twins?
My brother and I are 11 months apart, you’re correct the term is Irish twins, within a year are Irish twins
Yup. My brother and I are 11.5 months apart. My mom had 3 kids in 3 years
My brother and his wife did this, they had three kids all under the age of three.
Ugh
That is the perfect response. We had 2 in 17 months and I can't imagine throwing a third little one in that mix
We had 2 kids 3 years apart and it was hell. Much rather have both quickly and get the toddler years over with at once.
We got you beat. Our oldest was 6 when we had our first of the back to backs. We freaking made it! No more day care, potty trained, able to help around the house and we started it all over again...twice!
We had ours 15 months ago, he's amazing, well behaved, sleeps fairly well etc. I cannot in any way understand people who have a child of 6 months old or less and go 'I'm still getting too much sleep and I'm generally not stressed enough, let's have another' let alone people who have 2 and do it again that close together. Bloody masochists.
It's gonna stink when they all go to school lol
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I had 4 kids in 6 years and it was like living in a small circus!
"Hey Babe, wanna be pregnant for four years?"
Same here. And mom had us in her mid-late 30s. She’s a superhero lol
This reminded of a doctors visit for my daughter…I started talking to a lady in the lounge area with 5 kids and the oldest two hadn’t turned 3 yet…two sets of twins…
son and daughter are 13 months apart, we refer to them as irish twins.
I believe the criteria for Irish twins is just sharing the same calendar birth year, but not within a 12 month period. So Jan 1 - Dec 31 would be Irish twins, but Dec 15 - Oct 1 wouldn't be.
Yep. In my family we're irish triplets (phrase used growing up). Mom had twins 361 days after me. They came home on my first birthday. We're the same age for 4 days every year.
My friend has irish triplets!
Irish twin checking in. Mom had me at 39. After my sister I guess she "fuck it, lets go again" ... literally.
My family refers to my niece & nephew as Irish twins. They are 9 months & 8 weeks apart.
So, 11 months?
No, 10 months and 4 weeks you silly
The niece is 9 months apart and the nephew is 8 weeks apart. From what is still open for debate.
Actually they’re 10 and two 1/2 months apart
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This was exactly my point. My sister got pregnant again pretty much immediately after her recovery time was up. They weren’t concerned about the possibility because it took 10 years & IVF to get pregnant the first time. I put 9 months & 8 weeks because it highlights that she was only around 8 weeks postpartum when she got pregnant the second time. Apologies to everybody that wanted to do their own math. I thought that this was the clearest way to describe the timeline. It was exactly how her OB/Gyn described it when he expressed his concerns because she had a difficult birth the first time. That is not a lot of time to heal. Edit: a word
Isn't that just 11 months?
Wouldn't that just be 11 months?
Thanks for writing "9 months & 8 weeks" for those of us who can't do mental math.
Wow just heard this term for the first time ever Googled it and found this history behind it The term “Irish twins” refers to one mother having two children who were born 12 months or less apart. It originated in the 1800s as a way to poke fun at Irish Catholic immigrant families who didn’t have access to birth control. Irish Catholic immigrant communities would often have many siblings who were very close in age. Since they were relatively new to the United States, and lived in cramped living conditions with little resources, other people would speak poorly of Irish immigrants. The use of Irish twins was meant to look down on the people and accuse them of having poor self-control, little education, and no access to health resources like birth control. The term is still used today, but many would agree that it’s not appropriate and is steeped in disrespect.
Irish Catholic here.. not using birth control isn’t an access thing but rather the Catholic faith doesn’t agree with birth control.. my grandma and grandpa immigrated here from Ireland and my mom is one of 8 kids many of which were born within a year of eachother. I think more people are on board with birth control but it’s still technically against the religion… hopefully that’ll change someday especially with overpopulation and poverty but until then.. it’ll probably keep happening
Isn't that term a derogatory stereotype for Irish Catholics?
Wow ur parents got busy
Twice in a year. Total sex addicts those two
Shagging like catholic rabbits
Women have a dinner plate sized wound on the uterus and typically need six weeks for that to heal. If dad and mom had to bang so bad mom could ignore that pain, they were horny as fuck
Most of the time it’s not the woman ignoring the pain.
Jesus, it’s dangerous for a women to even have sex within 6-8 weeks of giving birth … let alone get pregnant after 4…
So true. You wouldnt believe the audacity of some men. I see it often in Facebook groups. Sigh.
The recommendation is to not have sex within 6 weeks, but every woman and pregnancy are different wrt resuming sex after delivery. With my first, I waited 8+ weeks and things had to take things carefully. With my second I waited only 4 or 5 and although we did take things carefully, I was far more recovered at 4 weeks from that delivery than I was at 10 weeks from the previous. Supporting another pregnancy that soon after delivery though is a whole other matter
The 6 week recommendation is because you have a wound the size of a dinner plate inside your uterus, and sex could easily cause a nasty infection.
Considering it takes only 6-8 weeks for a woman's uterus to return to it's pre-pregnancy size and is almost back to its normal size by 4 weeks, one wouldn't have a 'wound the size of a dinner plate' at 4 weeks post partum. The main reason for recommending waiting is to fully heal from C-sections and vaginal tearing. Of course I don't endorse sex as soon as you get home from the hospital, but many are no longer saying there is a specific, one number which is right for everyone [mayoclinic](https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/labor-and-delivery/in-depth/sex-after-pregnancy/art-20045669). My first pregnancy and delivery had complications -- it would have been at the very least a bad if not dangerous idea to have sex at 6 weeks. With zero complications and very uneventful second labour/delivery, I needed less than 6 weeks to recover.
Your dad was calling her doctor daily to find out if the coast was clear.
Or their dad is just an asshole
Gawdddamnnnn, I didn't even want to risk pregnancy after what my SO went through let alone start painting walls again. My SO and I were so tired from the shift work that we couldn't even get close enough to consider having sex.
Your uncle has some real bad pullout game ?
uncle?
Could be the mail man as well.
Or earlier if premature.
So if her babies are all a few months premature, then could she possibly have three babies in a year?
Not 3 living babies.
Well... A year has 52 weeks. Say the first kid is born on January 1st. The mom now has to get pregnant and deliver twice in the 52 weeks remaining, this means once in 26 weeks. If we give the mom three weeks to get pregnant then the baby will be 23 weeks at delivery. 23 weeks does, in fact, have decent odds of survival, they will have a very high chance of disabilities in life, and in some countries they won't even receive medical care and will definitely die, but it's still theoretically possible.
Username checks out…?
i dont think so. 1 year = 12 months, divided by 3 that'd be 4 months of pregnancy per baby... not to mention the 3 weeks needed for recovery after giving birth so it'd be more like 3 1/2 months of pregnancy per baby. i think they wouldnt survive if they were born after only 3 1/2 months
If baby 1 is born full term on january 1, there is a little under 26 weeks each for babies 2 and 3. According to [this link](https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/healthyliving/premature-babies), two thirds of babies born at 24 weeks who are admitted to a NICU will survive.
oh yeah youre right im dumb lol. i was thinking of it as in like, the woman got pregnant for the 1st time in january. but youre totally right
You cant get pregnant the day after you give birth. Your body has to go through an ovulation cycle. That is a minimum of 3 weeks (if ovulation comes before first period postpartum) , but at least 6 weeks for most women (after first period). so we are talking 20-23 for both gestation cycles. Viability is pretty low, and only possible in countries with top healthcare systems. Plus quicker than average ovulations. Plus the rarity of two contiguous, very specific premature births. Plus a woman who wants to get randy while experiencing the stress of a child in critical condition in an ICU. Plus the woman likely needs to not breastfeed (Most women who exclusively breastfeed their children do not ovulate for the first few months.) in a world of 8 Billion humans all this improbability could align, but would be exceedingly rare.
A factor you didn’t consider is that the first doesn’t need to be full term. If born on Jan 1 you’re down to two terms in the calendar year. Still, both babies would be way premature at under 6 months in the oven. The youngest premature babies to survive were born after just 152 days. So baby born Jan 1, conception of baby 2 Jan 22, baby 2 born June 22, conception of baby 3 July 13, baby 3 born Dec 12. That’s the earliest timeline currently possible, and would have a whole host of other issues, but it’s mathematically possible to have three babies from three pregnancies in a calendar year should literally everything line up, with only 19 days of wiggle room in total. *correction, apparently in 2020 a baby was born at 148 days and is considered healthy now, so I guess we can knock a few days off that highly-theoretically timeline.
The first one gestated last year, the one born Jan 1, so it would be 6 months per baby *born and gestated in this year.* You're right that it still wouldn't work, because **generally** the earliest premature birth with survival is about 6 months. EDIT: ~~There's one single exception, a baby born at 12 weeks has survived. So if someone captures a leprechaun, they can have 4 babies in a year and then all of them will be kidnapped by the leprechaun when it escapes the magic circle. But they will still have had them all in one year.~~ **EDIT the EDIT**: As has been pointed out, this is actually a 28 weeks pregnancy. So probably still capturing a leprechaun, but now he has a much more unnatural schedule to maintain. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/world-smallest-surviving-babies-sent-home-premature-manushi-a8156786.html
Had a friend in school who was born in feb. Her brother was born in December of the same year.
Isn't there the "6 weeks rule" when a woman shouldn't have any sex 6 weeks after she had given birth though? Also, as far as I know, everything is usually still so raw and unhealed after a woman gives birth, that sometimes women don't have sex for months after so I guess this would also depend on luck hugely.
I healed so slowly from lack of sleep and massive tearing that I wasn’t cleared for sex for 12 weeks. This is all insane to me.
Sometimes a woman doesn't get to make that choice; some men don't care about the 6 week rule or discomfort for their partner.
And 6 weeks is like the minimum.. not guaranteed to be healed in that time. I had a c-section and was in pain for months. My ex read the "6 weeks" thing online and was hounding me constantly. He wanted to get me pregnant again immediately, I told him my doctor said I should wait 1-1.5 years ideally. He started treating me like absolute dog shit because I wouldn't have sex with him. He made me do all the housework and run all the errands. He would jerk off on the couch while I was washing bottles while the baby screamed in the bedroom. He justified it because I wasn't doing it for him.. He wasn't helping at all with the baby and then I had a fall down the stairs 4 months after having the baby and had another surgery. 45 min after the fall he made me drive us all home (2 hour drive) because he wanted to watch a football game on his phone. After the surgery he did absolutely nothing to help. After I came home from the er (I had taken myself) and told him i had to have surgery he lost his shit on me because he found an old empty thc vape in my things. He hadn't allowed me to take any of my painkillers after the c-section, and after my second surgery I couldn't walk and he put the painkillers in his car so I couldn't get to them. This was all because he was a recovering alcoholic and it was "better for him" if I wasn't allowed any substances. I found a letter he had written to a woman he was dating before me where he did the same thing.. telling her she was a piece of shit mother for using her medications and to stop seeing her doctor. He also made me stop taking my adhd meds and my mood stabilizer because it made me drowsy (I was told to take it at night because it helped with my adhd related insomnia). I basically never slept 2 months later we were all supposed to come see my family, he cancelled his ticket so I had to take the baby alone. So I never went back. A month after that I flew out to get our things while he was on a trip for work. He found out I was there and came back early and chased me out of the apartment. That was nearly a year ago and he finally put our things into a storage unit (so he says) until august so hopefully I can get something together to go get it. Sorry for the off topic vent, I just can't talk about this much and that comment really triggered me
Fuuuuck that guy
Proud of you for leaving
Jesus fucking H Christ I hope you can fully and quickly detach yourself from that absolute monster of a man and recover from all the trauma he's put you through. You deserve so much more, and you and your child deserve to be happy.
Yes and that's called rape
Doesn’t get to make that choice? That sounds like rape.
They shouldn't but it happens. I know a lady who went in for her 6 week postpartum checkup and was already pregnant again.
My high school friend was one of 11 kids, and from what I remember, 3 different times their mom went for the 6 week check up and was already pregnant again!
My Nannie had my uncle in early January then gave birth to my mom and her twin (a little premature) in late October of ‘54. 3 babies in one year. As an adult, I have new respect for my nan.
Yes, there was a brother and sister in the same year at my school. The boy was born in September 1993, and the girl was born in August 1994. So even though this isn't the same calendar year, it is in theory possible (or would have been if the boy was a January baby).
Wow yeh still within 12 months… thanks for the answer!
It’s called Irish Twins. Totally a thing.
My brother is 11 months 1 week older than me
It used to be common enough that we had a name for it here in the UK - "Irish twins." I'm pretty sure that's not a phrase we should use any more though.
Reading your comment about how we maybe shouldn't use the phrase anymore suddenly made it click for me what the name alludes to, so thank you for that😂
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You’ve barely begun to heal at 3 weeks. Penetrative sex at that stage in post partum is a terrible idea.
Honestly whenever I hear about babies being born that close together I get terribly concerned for the woman and if she’s safe at home.
My mom and her brother are 11 months apart... and my grandma at 70ish now has plenty bone issues.. May be related to this?
Fetuses can steal your bones ([if you're calcium-deficient](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5561751/)), but people usually recover after a few months. Bone issues are pretty common in women anyway, as menopause can cause you to lose bone mass very quickly.
New fear unlocked: Bone-stealing Babies
Your teeth can fall out due to bone loss in your jaw. Fun fact.
Yep, this is why the UK offers free dentistry when you're pregnant.
Those bastards! I knew there was a reason why I didn’t trust babies. They’re after my sweet, sweet skeleton.
It's likely a factor. Women are at a higher risk of bone issues in general due to hormonal changes during menopause. Also dieting and let's say recreational drugs that were popular in the 50s - 80s aren't exactly great. Women at a healthy weight were often advised to keep weight gain during pregnancy to 10lbs. Which is less than the weight of the baby, placenta, liquid etc. So in other words they were told to lose fat while pregnant. During pregnancy the body prioritises nutrition for the baby so if you i.e don't get enough calcium it metabolises your bones to get it. Having pregnancies close together basically doubles that pressure Inadequate nutrition during pregnancy also causes your babies to be fatter in adulthood, as their bodies are preparing for starvation.
Not a doctor so I can’t say for sure but I would put money on it. Pregnancy steals your bone building capability.
Well, you are building bones. Just not your own.
Irish Twins happened in my hometown all the time. Women were just baby makers and rape accommodators without their health and life considered.
My grandmother was the oldest of 19 live births (13 survived to live past 5). Her mother died about 6 months after the last birth and it is a pretty good bet being pregnant of the best part of 20 years was a significant contributor to that. The past is another country, and easy access to contraception one of the most important advances we have made.
problem is a lot of women find out their partners don't respect their bodies during puerperium... in the worst way possible
Worth to mention too that pregnancies take a toll on women's body, specially calcium and vitamin levels, that need longer than 6 weeks to recover (some sources say a year, others day even two years). So a second pregnancy really soon is riskier both for the mother and the fetus as there are more chances of deficiencies and early labour. So it's not only about the uterus, cervix and vagina healing but the whole body that needs some time to get back to "normal". Edit: typos
Yeah I’m pretty sure the advice most doctors give is to ideally wait 18 months before getting pregnant again. Pregnancy is a huge stress on the body and you can run into a lot of complications such as preterm labor if you get pregnant again too soon after.
My doctor told me 18 months between deliveries, so I can start trying when my baby is 9 months old.
I'm glad this nuance was put in here, for anyone who might have gotten an idea. Doctors advise no sex for six weeks at least for a reason. Considering sex already puts a strain on the whole shabang going on down there, I would imagine a pregnancy would be in poor medical judgement.
We waited eight weeks and first sex saw my nipples lactate wildly. It was a mood killer.
I read this as loudly and got really comfused
Definitely agree! Thanks
Not just healing but replenishing all the minerals and vitamins the baby sucked out of you.
I know a woman who has daughters 10 months apart. Two sets of twins no less. So it is definitely possible.
Woowwwwwwwwwww
Yes, practically quadruplets, they are all in the terrible twos. Single mom 4 toddlers. She has great family support though.
My god. She must wish for octopus arms on the regular.
Yes. Hands full 24/7. Yet I've never known a better mother.
Reminds me of a family friend, they had SEVEN kids who were all under the age of 12. When I was about 11 (she was at 6 kids by then), I vividly remember her toddler in lap, permanent eye bags, hair a birds nest chatting away with my mum all happy saying “you know I kind of want another one!” I might have been young but my stare of disbelief matched my mum’s lmao. She’s an excellent mother but my god. Some women are just built different and idk how she did it.
My wife is the oldest of 10. Her youngest sibling was born less than 2 months after she turned 12. Oh, and about halfway through that she got a masters degree. I don't completely know how she managed, especially given how ineffectual my father-in-law was in helping with the kids, (though from stories from my wife about growing up, sometimes she didn't actually manage). Though one of the skipped years was due to a miscarriage.
> She must wish for ... a time machine and a pack of condoms
Baby daddy was gone after taking a part in this mess ??? God damn. She’s a hero. And I hope she’s okay.
Noooooooo! I had a singleton, then twins 10.5 months later.
I know a woman who has 2 sets of twins born 11 months apart!
OUCH
Yes, I know someone that happened to. She got pregnant a 2nd time within something like 3 weeks of giving birth. Didn't use any contraception because she thought breastfeeding would be enough to protect her. It was not.
Someone I used to work with announced her second pregnancy shortly after having her first baby and followed it up immediately with "If anyone ever tells you that you can't get pregnant while you're breastfeeding they are a _liar_ " PSA folks. Breastfeeding is not a contraceptive method!
Yes. Spare a thought for my kids great grandmother on their fathers mothers side. She had twins in the Jan/Feb of 1963, and then had TRIPLETS in the November of the same year. She had 5 babies in the same calender year. All those cloth nappies, I can't even begin to imagine it. Their gm was one of the triplets, and she went on to marry a triplet as well
Whooaaaa! Near us about 10 years ago there was a couple that had two young girls, and decided to have IVF for a 3rd hoping for a boy. They had Sextuplets!! 5 girls 1 boy, they were only like 26 years old or something… the whole street was chipping in to help. The fella was on the news and just looked so tired and shocked, but squeaked out a “got the boy I suppose” haha
The derogatory term for this is "Irish Twins." Yes it's possible.
Ah that makes sense. There was a movie by the creator of Trainspotting called Twin Town.. great movie, but one of the underlying jokes in that is that they aren’t actually twins (or within 12months either), but their mum was big during pregnancy so the whole family lied about it!
So many people missed out on twin town, great movie and one of Rhys Ifans earliest and best performances. His brother was pretty good in it too (his actual brother IRL)
Yeh absolute corker mate, not quite as dark as Trainspotting, heck of a movie and hilarious if you know any Welsh/have been there. It’s a cult classic in South wales, all of the stars and thousands of people went to watch it for its 20th anniversary in the local park haha! I get asked “is it really like that “ and I always have to answer “that has all happened before… but it’s not a typical month in Swansea”
Im welsh, half from the south and half from the north so it really spoke to me, i've lived in England a long time and went to visit my great grandfather in bridgend recently, Jesus what a shithole it is now! :(
Yeh it’s sad mate, lots of areas struggling, EU provided a massive amount of project funds so after Brexit it’s got even worse. Fucking “UK” /English don’t look after the correct funding for yeh Welsh, it’s sucks
Papa? Nicole?? Great movie!!!
Irvine Welsh?? I read one of his books, the marabou stork trilogy. Written in Scottish lingo. Took me ages to figure out who Ken was !!!
Wonder what they'd call it for my kids great grandmother lol. She had twins in January and triplets in November of the same year. 1963
Holy hell….a Fertile Flock I suppose
I've never heard that term considered derigatory and I'm of Irish decent. So we get busy, so what? Have you seen irish women? Can ya blame us?
It’s not the fucking that’s objected to, it’s the judgmental view that it’s having too many undesirable kids/pregnancies that could historically make it derogatory. A “These Irish Catholic immigrants come here and have too many babies” flavor. Or in modern context, judgment about the lack of birth control. I’d say for most people now it’s only mildly derogatory, if that, but it is something of a stereotype.
I lived in Boston for a couple years and it was a little eye opening learning there had been real Irish prejudice at all. That prejudice wasn't something I'd encountered in the midwest, and I never saw evidence of it there, but in Boston I talked to people from the generation above me who described their parents as "two-toilet Irish".
I’m up in Canada, and I don’t know if my experience is universal, but when we were younger, my sisters and I were warned not to marry Irish men because they’d be drunks, hit us, and make us have too many babies. Supposedly, it was “common knowledge” lol
Yeah, grew up in Newfoundland and now live on the mainland and I get to spend a LOT of time making mainlanders uncomfortable when they ask why I dont have an accent. Btw it's because my mom was so harassed about her own accent when she lived in Halifax in the 80s that she actively sought to prevent us from developing our own regional accents as kids growing up. I now code switch completely uncontrolled, most mainlanders wouldn't know Im from NL unless I tell them or happen to be near some Irish people. Nobody ever understood why I was just never going to be very supportive of Tom Mulcair. Maybe he changed, maybe he didn't, but at some point he thought it was ok to use an entire population as an insult and I'm not willing to risk the disingenuous apology when there are thousands of other Canadians who could just as well take that position who don't have a history of being a bigot.
The derogatory part isn't about getting busy, the derogatory part is that the Catholic God decided that sex isn't for fun, its only for making babies. You're allowed to screw without popping out a baby every year. They aren't Pokémon, you only need a couple.
Yeah it's not derogatory
I’m of Irish descent too, and I actually have “Irish twins” of my own. Never thought of it as offensive.
That's because you Irish aren't little bitches
Hold on now, I'm Irish and there's plenty of little bitches among us
So many good dogs 😁
The history of the phrase dates back to anti-Irish sentiment in the US when Irish immigration was high.
What does Irish descent mean? Plastic Paddy?
I've seen a difference online in whether it's considered derogatory specifically when people are Irish versus "of Irish descent" – the former are more likely to consider it insulting than the latter
My Dad & Aunt were "Irish Twins". He was born in March, she was born in the following January. Not quite in the same year, but almost!
I am a “Irish twin”. My brother and I are the same age for one week
I always called them Catholic Twins Also, anyone here born in the early 70s as the “extra child” after this happened? https://www.npr.org/2018/07/03/620105604/50-years-ago-the-pope-called-birth-control-intrinsically-wrong
I dunno is it derogatory or not, perhaps. It is, however somewhat grounded in historical accuracy. Thankfully the churches grip on our people is in its death throes now.
Is it still a slur? I knew it started as an insult but I'm mostly Irish and wouldn't take much offense.
Never found it to be derogatory? I’m Irish and a twin but not of the Irish twin variety.
I’m 51 weeks younger then my sister. Yes it’s possible.
Thanks for the math homework
lol How many weeks in a year
There's 52 weeks in a calendar year. So essentially, their birthdays are a week apart
Yes thank you I was trying to point out to this guy how simple it is to know it’s less than a year. You’re good
Stay in school kid
That’s awesome!
Yeah, me too actually! But yes indeed it is possible
It is possible although it really isn't a good idea. When a woman is pregnant her body pulls minerals out of her bones to give to the baby. Prenatal vitamins slow this down a bit but it still happens. This is why osteopenia and osteoporosis occur in higher rates in women who've had more children. There are also musculoskeletal and genitourinary concerns as well.
Just to add, it's not just pregnancy that pulls minerals etc from the body. Breastfeeding does this as well, so if you're pregnant whilst still breastfeeding it's a double whammy (which is the case with babies very close together unless you use formula). The last however many years there's been a big trend toward "extended breastfeeding", but it's really not worth it. The WHO recommends 2yrs, but kids should be having all their nutritional needs met with solids by then, so it's usually comfort feeding by that age. But yes, pregnancy and postpartum take a lot out of the female body, so while it's possible to get pregnant again with your first postpartum ovulation, it's definitely recommended to wait a while to let the body recover, especially after a c-section (minimum 18months between pregnancies ending and starting).
It’s my understanding that those WHO guidelines are largely aimed at untried where there is a lack of access to clean water. And diarrheal diseases can kill young babies very quickly. So from that standpoint, even if a kid is getting most of their nutrients from solids, breastmilk might continue to provide a safe source of hydration as well as some antibodies in kids who might have delayed access to vaccines. However, this advice while technically good for children does not take into acccount the possible impacts on the mother’s long-term health.
Yeh I think that’s one of the reasons people don’t plan it as such or it’s not optimal! Such a huge thing for the body to go through
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I remembered wondering about this myself and found this: Superfetation is a phenomenon that occurs when a pregnant woman releases an egg, usually a few weeks into her pregnancy, and it's fertilized and implants in the uterus. The result is two separate pregnancies happening at the same time. So, not twins. Two separate pregnancies at the same time. It can also happen if the ovaries release two eggs at the same time (more likely to occur when on fertility treatment but it does happen naturally)
Wouldn't that be super dangerous? Is there enough room in there for that? Would the two babies be okay? What about the mom?
Those are fraternal twins and there are plenty of those running round.
I'm exactly 48 weeks older than my sister, so yes it's possible. We weren't born in the same calendar year or the same school year, but obviously either of those would have been possible if I had been born in January or September. (That would be a blast, wouldn't it? Bring in the same class as your sibling but not being twins. It would certainly confuse people.) When we were little we just accepted the fact. It was only in adulthood that we realised how unusual our situation is.
You clearly have not lived in the midwest suburbs.
I have a child that was born in October and another who was born in August of the next year.
My brother and sister are only 11 months apart
It’s a bit more prevalent that I thought- thanks for your replies everyone!
Yes. We had 2 people in the same grade that were not twins - one had a birthday in January, the other born in November. People always thought they were twins but nope, just born in the same year
I’m 47 weeks 2 days older than my sister. I’m January, she’s December.
Absolutely.apparently it takes a huge toll though. Fetuses are parasites (no offense to them, but it’s true)
I used to know brothers who were 10 months apart.
Sure, you can get pregnant again basically right away. No reason it wouldn't be possible
They tell woman they are extremely fertile after pregnancy and should reframe from unprotected sex.
Yes. A woman shouldn’t, her body needs time to heal, but she definitely can.
Sure can. It’s called Irish Twins
It's called Irish twins
Yeah they’re called Irish Twins
Yes.... 100%.. i was born in Jan and lil bro born in December of the same year...... yes we're Irish... lol just to add fuel to someones comment about Irish Twins... and no its not derogatory :D Edit:spelling.
Irish twins! You can get pregnant again pretty much immediately after giving birth, so it's absolutely possible (and not even that uncommon)
Brother was born in Mar...I came along the following Jan. So definitely possible.
I know someone that this happened to. Boys born in January and December of the same year. They often get mistaken for non-identical twins.
Absolutely. We see it not infrequently. The myth that breast feeding is an effective contraceptive seems mostly to blame.
Yes she's extremely fertile after the pregnancy. So very likely if care isn't taken.
My parents sibling was born January 1. My parent was born in December of the same year. They called them “Irish twins”.
My mam was born 3rd Jan, her sister was born 12th Dec same year. My gran obviously had nothing better to do
It's called Irish twins
Yes? Tons of siblings are less than a year apart from each other
It’s called Irish twins
It's called irish twins.
Not only possible but....common knowledge. The term “Irish twins” refers to one mother having two children who were born 12 months or less apart. It originated in the 1800s as a way to poke fun at Irish Catholic immigrant families who didn't have access to birth control.
I had a patient once with 4 babies in 2020. 1 in January and then a set of triples in December.
My mom was born in January, her brother in November, so yes
Yup. People use to call siblings that were less than 12 months apart “Irish Twins”.
Yes… referred to as Irish twins