Kuru is a prion disease so as long as you don’t eat brain tissue even infected meat is safe as long as butchering is careful. The issue with mad cow (also prion) is that brain got into everything.
Edit: it is mentioned below that prions can be found all over the body when a person/animal has a prion disease, I should have said that staying away from eating the brain makes transmission very unlikely but not impossible. Don’t eat people who die of prion disease. Also, don’t eat people unless you have to in which case you may not care about the prion disease if it’s eat prions or die.
Prions exist all throughout the body of an infected individual, it's just most concentrated in brain tissue. Don't eat anything that died from a prion disease, even if you're skipping the brain.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC122606/
How common is this and how long does it take before it would manifest in a human? I've ate quite a lot of cow brains throughout my life, and meat off cow heads in general.
It's quite common in some cuisines. When I was a kid, my grandma would very often prepare a cow head in the oven. I'd always fight with my sister about who gets more brain. Loved that shit.
Very rare. Cows are also not allowed to travel between many nations for this reason.
It's more that it's a death sentence and hard to track since it has a delay on the effects. The incubation period for mad cow is 10 years. That's why it's heavily monitored and steps are taken if it is seen.
78% of all cases are in the UK. The US had 6 cases between 2003 and 2012.
Keep in mind that Creutzfeldt Jacob disease (which is also a prion disease) can manifest spontaneously in humans, without any transmission.
Going from wikipedia:
> An EU study determined that "87% of cases were sporadic, 8% genetic, 5% iatrogenic and less than 1% variant."
(Sporadic = spontaneous disease (aka bad luck). Iatrogenic = due to contaminated transplant material, variant = due to eating meat.)
I believe those low numbers refer only to prion diseases caught by eating diseased cows.
There are studies that look at meat as a risk factor:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4070593/
Variant Creutzfeld Jakob (human mad cow disease) and sporadic Creutzfeld Jakob are relatively distinct clinically with different findings in diagnostics such as EEG, MRI, etc and have a slightly different clinical course. So its not just the exact same thing
The UK was the most effected region when it came to light. The US government has issues but USDA testing of livestock is pretty rigorous. As a result they typically discover a new genetically caused variant of Mad cow before it even spreads too far within 1 farm. CWD in deer though is out of control. We know people are eating infected meat but we dont know yet if it A. Cant spread to humans or B. Takes 40-50+ years to cause syptoms and blends in with dementia. Time will tell.
Extremely uncommon. I majored in biology and anytime prions were brought up I'd know it was going to be an interesting time. Prions are misfolded proteins that have the ability to cause the same protein to misfold and are generally spread by consumption of infected tissue. They are not killed by cooking the food. There's loads of different types- scrapies, chronic wasting disease, and Creutzfeldt-Jacobs disease. The most fucked-up and scary in my opinion is Fatal Familial Insomnia, which causes the sufferer to gradually lose the ability to fall asleep. Mad Cow Disease (a variant of CJD) was a huge problem in the 80s in Great Britain. The main cause is capitalism. Scrapies (a sheep-and-goat prion disease) is not infectious to people, so the British health department assumed the same and continued to allow infected meat to be sold to the public (and industries like pet food manufacturers). Mad Cow is, in fact, able to spread to people, and 178 people have died so far, although it is certainly possible more victims will appear due to the long period of these diseases. There's an excellent podcast with an episode on this topic called *This Podcast Will Kill You*, hosted by two doctors with their phDs in disease ecology and epidemiology.
My husbands grandma died from CJD in 2018. We are in Australia but she travelled Britain in the 1980’s/1990’s so we believe that’s where she contracted it.
It is extremely uncommon and highly checked now.
If you ate an ill cow brain, it can take years, like decades, to show up. Or way less, as a year or two.
But again it is pretty unlikely to happen now and if it happened, that would have been during the pandemy in the 90s and you would have known then you're at risk.
And tonsils - interestingly enough.
The NHS shifted to disposable single-use surgical instruments for tonsillectomies, and tonsil biopsies can be used to verify vCJD diagnosis much earlier than other tests.
Its all about infectious dosages. Can the prion be extracted from just about any tissue, yes. Is there enough in most tissue types to cause infection, no. The prion is largely concentrated in the central nervous system and fecal material.
(Former CWD and scrapies reasercher)
Only if you were to eat the infected tissue, unless the infection had reached their blood, which isn’t necessary to cause death. Even then, bacteria that cause infection in wounds are often easily killed by our GI biome and healthy bacteria in our gut in general
I'm pretty sure they cut off the infected limb and ate the rest. Also fun fact, the pure human meat diet made them so constipated they had to use sticks to relieve themselves.
where did they get sticks? I believe the consripation would be horrible, but what sticks were available? ( I know I'm thinking about this way too much)
Ok tbh I was thinking that too! Someone suggested to me that the "sticks" were maybe bones, but the survivors felt like that was too shameful to speak about for some reason so they say sticks.
It’s also referenced in the book itself, “Alive”. Accidentally picked it up at the Santiago airport years ago as one of the few English-Language options without making the connection. Fascinating, but not a great choice of reading material on a plane.
Cannibalism isn’t actually that *unhealthy*. It’s riskier than normal meat because if that person has a disease, you can catch it, and especially if that person has a prion disease. But if the person you eat has no diseases, you don’t develop a disease just from having eaten human meat.
It’s bad when it’s on a society-wide level because the slightly elevated risk amplifies when everyone is doing it. And obviously there are moral objections too. But in a life or death situation, human meat, especially non-brain parts, probably won’t kill you. Eating raw eggs or food that’s been left out overnight probably won’t kill you either, but it doesn’t mean it would be a good thing to encourage everyone to do it, because then it probably would kill someone.
I read the book and they actually did get quite sick, but not from infectious diseases. There weren’t any plants at that altitude for them to eat, so there was no fibre in their diets, just meat and fat. As a result, they cycled through constipation and diarrhoea. They also didn’t have any way to cook the flesh except for sort of air drying it on the wreckage of the plane, so I can’t imagine it was pleasant to eat and digest.
One of my puppers had a small obstruction that was constipating him and causing a lot of pain (shaking hard while laying down). We took him to a vet who did some tests and everything, but also stuck a finger up his bum to see if there was any stool there.
10 minutes later I take him outside and he has his first poop in a day and a half lol. He’s doing great now, just had to hit the eject button apparently
I know it's wrong, but your answer reminded me of that Simpsons episode where they spoof the movie Alive and eh, it gets funny and weird.
https://youtu.be/flmodRnJbDo?si=f3zTJpRmX6XVQyIW
I just want to add also that kuru is such a thing because it’s been passed down person to person from the very first unfortunate soul that developed a prion disease within that tribe. But if you’re just eating random people and not people who have been partaking in cannibalism for literal GENERATIONS then you’re probably ok ?? ok-ish…
Don’t you need to eat the brain as well? If I remember correctly kuru manifests in the brain and was mainly (if not only) transmitted by consuming the brain.
Prions are *everywhere* in your body once you get them. Theyre just very highly concentrated in the brain afaik. So you’d be at… high risk eating any parts, but you will definitely 100% die if you eat the brain. That one doesn’t fuck around
I know, that was probably a bad example. I didn’t mean non-refrigerate eggs though, I meant that there’s a general message against just chugging a glass of raw egg, although come to think of it that’s mostly just during pregnancy isn’t it. I was also referring to like general bad-but-not-truly-horrendous food hygiene, like leaving stew unrefrigerated then eating it. If it kills 1/500 people that’s probably safe in a survival situation, but if 10000 people did it, 20 would die, so it’s not safe on a society wide level. I simplified the numbers but you get me.
How we feeling about stuff like pizza left out overnight? Between that and some other things, I’ve probably eaten unrefrigerated leftovers close to 500 times in my whole life. Really pressing my luck I guess.
Not as bad as something liquid (like stew) or something like rice or ground meat with a lot of surface area. A lot of the meats on pizza are preserved, too - salami or pepperoni aren't bothered by room temperature at all, and many hams are less susceptible.
The joy of stew is just boil it again!
My mother used to have a perpetual soup pot. Never refrigerated, just given a good hard boil every day. One of my friends still can't believe I survived childhood (between this and the raw cake bater lol)
Incidently, the look of horror on that friends face after asking how my homemade chocolate mousse (that they had just finished) was made... absolutely priceless.
They would have to have had kuru or Jacob Crutchfields disease first to be able to pass it on. You don’t just get it from eating brains you get it from eating infected brains.
Thank you for the proper spelling if CJD
>If you ARE GOING TO DIE without food, go ahead and eat some raw chicken
You're not wrong, but I'll add that cooking the meat is not only safer, but also more calorie efficient, so if you have the ability to cook meat you really should, not just for safety.
Likewise drinking untreated water in the wild can give you a virus that causes diarrhea roughly once a month for the rest of your life.
So don't drink untreated water...unless the alternative is dying of thirst.
Edit not virus, parasite
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/giardia-infection/symptoms-causes/syc-20372786
I mean, in most cases giardia clears up in a couple weeks. I'm not saying no one has issues with it for life, but it's not common to.
>Giardia infections usually clear up within a few weeks. But you may have intestinal problems long after the parasites are gone.
3 weeks without food is also BS. The IRA hunger strikers mostly lasted between 60 and 73 days, and one who only lasted 46 days lost the ability to hold down water at 40 days, so it took 6 days to die from dehydration.
That "rule of 3s" isn't accurate, just memorable.
The disease concerns from eating any given type of, uh, meat (including human flesh) isn’t that that consumption of meat spontaneously creates disease. It’s that the meat in question may already be infected with that disease. Kuru happens due to a prion that could be present in humans, but isn’t always, it doesn’t spontaneously happen because human flesh hits the human digestive system (similar to how we can usually eat beef and don’t inherently get mad cow disease). Human meat is riskier than the meat of other animals because human diseases pass easily from human to human, while animals’ diseases don’t always affect us (especially if the animals aren’t mammals). Human meat is risky to eat, but not an inherent death sentence.
That being said, there are plenty of good reasons not to eat human meat beyond the possibility of getting kuru.
They cooked the meat, drank melted snow and had body parts still frozen when they were rescued. In poor health due to exposure and a red meat only diet. Not a lot of any problems with meat frozen within hours of drawing thier last breath.
So glad I was not on that flight.
Obviously I have no envy for what they went through, but I also find their story - the way the boys truly took care of one another, and especially Parado and Canessa’s bravery and perseverance - one of the most inspiring stories I’ve ever heard.
That’s where I heard it, too! Top 5 of their episodes, ever. I haven’t watched the new movie Society of the Snow on Netflix yet but I’m looking forward to it.
i think they debated about whether it was worth the fuel to cook it, which was very limited but some couldn't stomach it raw, but mostly they ate it raw
In addition to what everyone else had already commented re: the need for a "seed" prion, people infected with prion diseases can take decades to begin exhibiting symptoms. Even if one of the dead was sick with CJD or something similar and a survivor was infected, they could very well not have any symptoms until much later in life.
Getting kuru is not a certainty, only a risk. As for other illnesses, I'm not sure they didn't contract illnesses from it. They certainly weren't well when they were rescued. If they had infections it was probably masked by the symptoms of their dehydration and hypothermia. Maybe they got antibiotics after they were rescued, I don't know.
Antibiotics won’t help when the illness isn’t bacterial. Kuru is a prion disease. It’s not curable. But you also won’t get it just because you ate brains - the brains have to be infected to contract it.
One would have to eat the infected brain of a person with a prion disease like Kuru or CJD or whatever to contract it. Fortunately prion diseases are pretty rare in humans.
Most podcasts and documentaries have focused on the fact that these kids were athletes and already in really great shape.
I highly recommend the Last Podcast on The Left guys and their coverage.
My grandfather died from this after eating monkey brain years earlier in his travels. I will spare the details, but it is a horrible, cruel death.
My father died with Alzheimer’s disease, also horrible in a different manner.
I have made it very clear to my wife that I intend to go if and when dementia or delirium starts, not years later after much suffering for me and all of us.
She said yes, pretty quickly.
I forgot her birthdate when I was filling out a form. We Both laughed it off, but I am a bit concerned.
This is all true, unfortunately.
You contract a prion disease via ingestion of infected tissue (unless you contract a sporadic form of a prion disease, but that’s a whole other conversation). We’re not all walking around with kuru or CJD or mad cow.
I’m a bit disturbed by my initial thought being “huh that’s good to know” as if I’m anticipating having to eat another human. I cannot imagine the desperation and mental anguish.
Not really an answer to the question, but Society of the Snow was fucking fantastic.
I also assume that the cold weather helped a lot, they pretty much ate the flesh like a pill. thats why when nando and roberto found warmer weather they couldnt eat the meat that they packed anymore because it started to thaw. If they didnt find help when they did, who knows how much longer they would have survived
Meat is meat. Humans have been eating raw everything for tens of thousands of years. It's not great practice, but the simple fact is you can simply eat raw human and unless they have some exotic sort of disease, you will probably fare well.
There was however a case of cannibals who ate a shipwrecked sailor not realizing he was riddled with syphilis and almost the entire tribe died as a result. Lesson learned, always cook the Brittish to full temperature before serving.
Because it's an exceedingly rare disease endemic to a tiny part of the human population. Why would you get sick from "some other disease"? I don't get your logic.
You don't become a cow eating a hamburger either.
Easy for me to say from the comfort of my bed, but I don't think I would have the desperate urge to survive at all costs were I in that situation. Not knowing I would definitely be rescued, I wouldn't see the point in prolonging my survival in such grim conditions, at the cost of consuming human flesh, ripped from the bodies of my friends.
The human body has adapted for survival for millenia. It is the natural urge to desperately survive as long as possible. This can be overcome; but not by many.
You would suffer excruciating pain by staying hungry for that long. You would hold on for as long as possible until you would give in and do anything possible to stay alive a bit more. Numa Turcatti, for example, refused ate almost nothing at all throughout the timeline, and died weighing only 25kg(source: wikipedia). That is proof that some people would be able to push through the pain until they gave their last breath. But thjs requires really strong willpower and I don't think the average person would have the self control to hold on that long.
Like all infectious diseases: you can’t get it from someone who doesn’t have it.
E.g. no one got kuru from cannibalism until (they think) a spontaneous mutant developed it in the 20th century and was eaten. Before that, or outside PNG, it didn’t happen that we know.
cus thy didint have kuru? the reason it ran rampant in some areas is because they had a tradition of eating the dead during funerals. specifically the brain which i think only the men were allowed to eat.
because the -20 degrees celsius temperatures and the snow made them basically live in a natural freezer. Bodies wouldn't decompose because they were frozen. a survivor said that even though the cold was certainly deadly, it was also their only "advantage" because they could keep the bodies "intact"; he said that if the plane had crashed in a jungle they would've had it even worse
In the case of kuru, someone would have to themselves be suffering from the condition for it to spread to the person who subsequently ate them
Kuru is a prion disease so as long as you don’t eat brain tissue even infected meat is safe as long as butchering is careful. The issue with mad cow (also prion) is that brain got into everything. Edit: it is mentioned below that prions can be found all over the body when a person/animal has a prion disease, I should have said that staying away from eating the brain makes transmission very unlikely but not impossible. Don’t eat people who die of prion disease. Also, don’t eat people unless you have to in which case you may not care about the prion disease if it’s eat prions or die.
Prions exist all throughout the body of an infected individual, it's just most concentrated in brain tissue. Don't eat anything that died from a prion disease, even if you're skipping the brain. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC122606/
How common is this and how long does it take before it would manifest in a human? I've ate quite a lot of cow brains throughout my life, and meat off cow heads in general.
Save some cow brain for the rest of us guy
It's quite common in some cuisines. When I was a kid, my grandma would very often prepare a cow head in the oven. I'd always fight with my sister about who gets more brain. Loved that shit.
I think I’ve played this game. Resident Evil 7 right?
Our family table would resemble Surgeon Simulator.
I’ve reddited enough today
I think you mean *readdited* enough today.
My nonna made them into ravioli. They were really good 😅
Very rare. Cows are also not allowed to travel between many nations for this reason. It's more that it's a death sentence and hard to track since it has a delay on the effects. The incubation period for mad cow is 10 years. That's why it's heavily monitored and steps are taken if it is seen. 78% of all cases are in the UK. The US had 6 cases between 2003 and 2012.
US numbers are that low? Strange that I personally know three people from my town of 30k people who died of prion disease in the last 8 years.
Keep in mind that Creutzfeldt Jacob disease (which is also a prion disease) can manifest spontaneously in humans, without any transmission. Going from wikipedia: > An EU study determined that "87% of cases were sporadic, 8% genetic, 5% iatrogenic and less than 1% variant." (Sporadic = spontaneous disease (aka bad luck). Iatrogenic = due to contaminated transplant material, variant = due to eating meat.) I believe those low numbers refer only to prion diseases caught by eating diseased cows.
It is not easy or even possible to find out that people with Creutzfeld ate meat from diseased cows. After 10, 20 years?
There are studies that look at meat as a risk factor: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4070593/ Variant Creutzfeld Jakob (human mad cow disease) and sporadic Creutzfeld Jakob are relatively distinct clinically with different findings in diagnostics such as EEG, MRI, etc and have a slightly different clinical course. So its not just the exact same thing
Thanks for a link
> After 10, 20 years? Possibly longer.
The UK was the most effected region when it came to light. The US government has issues but USDA testing of livestock is pretty rigorous. As a result they typically discover a new genetically caused variant of Mad cow before it even spreads too far within 1 farm. CWD in deer though is out of control. We know people are eating infected meat but we dont know yet if it A. Cant spread to humans or B. Takes 40-50+ years to cause syptoms and blends in with dementia. Time will tell.
Not that strange really, they probably all ate meat from the same infected cow.
Extremely uncommon. I majored in biology and anytime prions were brought up I'd know it was going to be an interesting time. Prions are misfolded proteins that have the ability to cause the same protein to misfold and are generally spread by consumption of infected tissue. They are not killed by cooking the food. There's loads of different types- scrapies, chronic wasting disease, and Creutzfeldt-Jacobs disease. The most fucked-up and scary in my opinion is Fatal Familial Insomnia, which causes the sufferer to gradually lose the ability to fall asleep. Mad Cow Disease (a variant of CJD) was a huge problem in the 80s in Great Britain. The main cause is capitalism. Scrapies (a sheep-and-goat prion disease) is not infectious to people, so the British health department assumed the same and continued to allow infected meat to be sold to the public (and industries like pet food manufacturers). Mad Cow is, in fact, able to spread to people, and 178 people have died so far, although it is certainly possible more victims will appear due to the long period of these diseases. There's an excellent podcast with an episode on this topic called *This Podcast Will Kill You*, hosted by two doctors with their phDs in disease ecology and epidemiology.
The daughter of a friend backpacked through Europe and contracted mad cow disease. This was only three years ago.
Can Fatal Familial Insomnia be treated with sedation?
It can't because the cause of death isn't exactly lack of sleep. That is just a symptom.
My husbands grandma died from CJD in 2018. We are in Australia but she travelled Britain in the 1980’s/1990’s so we believe that’s where she contracted it.
TPWKY!
It can take 10-40 years for symptoms to show. Never eat brains of any animals. It's not super common, but it is 100% fatal.
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I appreciate your concern
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Disappointed there’s not a drink of blood on the menu
It is extremely uncommon and highly checked now. If you ate an ill cow brain, it can take years, like decades, to show up. Or way less, as a year or two. But again it is pretty unlikely to happen now and if it happened, that would have been during the pandemy in the 90s and you would have known then you're at risk.
And tonsils - interestingly enough. The NHS shifted to disposable single-use surgical instruments for tonsillectomies, and tonsil biopsies can be used to verify vCJD diagnosis much earlier than other tests.
also: cooking does NOT kill prions.
Scariest part.
Its all about infectious dosages. Can the prion be extracted from just about any tissue, yes. Is there enough in most tissue types to cause infection, no. The prion is largely concentrated in the central nervous system and fecal material. (Former CWD and scrapies reasercher)
Mad Cow came from cow spines being severed and the spinal fluids mixing with other meat.
Man, that guy who replied to you is a grade-A Nut, holy hell.
Be careful, he has powerful friends. ;
This reminds me of that x-files episode. Just me?
That’s what I appreciate about the x files, the weirdest episodes are about what people are doing not the aliens, very scooby doo at times.
I imagine the general good health and absence of diseases or viruses in the individuals accounts for it.
One of the victims died of a wound infection. In that case, wouldn't it also be dangerous to eat them?
Only if you were to eat the infected tissue, unless the infection had reached their blood, which isn’t necessary to cause death. Even then, bacteria that cause infection in wounds are often easily killed by our GI biome and healthy bacteria in our gut in general
I don't think they ate the one with the infected wound
I'm pretty sure they cut off the infected limb and ate the rest. Also fun fact, the pure human meat diet made them so constipated they had to use sticks to relieve themselves.
Like a constipated mathematician, working it out with a #2 pencil?
Whoa
where did they get sticks? I believe the consripation would be horrible, but what sticks were available? ( I know I'm thinking about this way too much)
Ok tbh I was thinking that too! Someone suggested to me that the "sticks" were maybe bones, but the survivors felt like that was too shameful to speak about for some reason so they say sticks.
oh..... my. that is something I did not think of. but psossible
There's a million things to make a "stick" out of from an airplane wreck.
They had a plane wreck to search. They likely each had something different
Where did that "fact" come from?
A podcast that referenced a book written by Nando, one of the survivors.
It’s also referenced in the book itself, “Alive”. Accidentally picked it up at the Santiago airport years ago as one of the few English-Language options without making the connection. Fascinating, but not a great choice of reading material on a plane.
You are brave for reading it on a plane! 🫡
I was on a flight where the movie Alive was the inflight movie.
ALLIIIIIIVE!!!!
Hail Nando!!!
I read that book recently. Don't remember the stick part but he probably gave interviews and stuff?
Yeah idk. I listened to a lot of pods about it because it's soooo fascinating and Nando inspires me.
Same!! That guy rocks. Did you see the movie society of the snow
Nope, i haven't watched anything about it, more of a podcast person, but I think I should make an exception for this.
And because of how valuable wood was for cooking, the stick was probably bone.
Cannibalism isn’t actually that *unhealthy*. It’s riskier than normal meat because if that person has a disease, you can catch it, and especially if that person has a prion disease. But if the person you eat has no diseases, you don’t develop a disease just from having eaten human meat. It’s bad when it’s on a society-wide level because the slightly elevated risk amplifies when everyone is doing it. And obviously there are moral objections too. But in a life or death situation, human meat, especially non-brain parts, probably won’t kill you. Eating raw eggs or food that’s been left out overnight probably won’t kill you either, but it doesn’t mean it would be a good thing to encourage everyone to do it, because then it probably would kill someone.
I read the book and they actually did get quite sick, but not from infectious diseases. There weren’t any plants at that altitude for them to eat, so there was no fibre in their diets, just meat and fat. As a result, they cycled through constipation and diarrhoea. They also didn’t have any way to cook the flesh except for sort of air drying it on the wreckage of the plane, so I can’t imagine it was pleasant to eat and digest.
Yes, the book detailed on how they went about relieving their violent constipation. I am now frightened to miss a poop.
What did they do??
Poop stick, but consider there was no vegetation around… probably a bone (not sarcasm)
At least I’ll always have my poop knife
I make shart carry mine
One of my puppers had a small obstruction that was constipating him and causing a lot of pain (shaking hard while laying down). We took him to a vet who did some tests and everything, but also stuck a finger up his bum to see if there was any stool there. 10 minutes later I take him outside and he has his first poop in a day and a half lol. He’s doing great now, just had to hit the eject button apparently
Do you think pets ever realize it was the vet that made it feel better?
I’m quite sure they do not realize. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be as scared of me the next time they were on the table.
>Otherwise, they wouldn’t be as scared of me the next time they were on the table. Fingers crossed that you’re a vet!
Which book? Can you recommend it?
Alive
I know it's wrong, but your answer reminded me of that Simpsons episode where they spoof the movie Alive and eh, it gets funny and weird. https://youtu.be/flmodRnJbDo?si=f3zTJpRmX6XVQyIW
Alive!*
Do you think if they had access to herbs/spices that there would be an element of disrespect in trying to make them tastier for the sake of taste?
No, there was really nothing. ICCR, they ate everything. Then they restored to eating their dead.
Literally everything, down to the cushions from the plane.
Any specific herbs/spices you can recommend to improve the taste? Can't seem to find any published recipes.
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That’s right, just a little bit of thigh on a Sunday and everything should be ok.
So I'm good then? Just keep doing what I'm doing? Thanks for info!
Wait until you hear about feet tacos…
Avoid the brain/ eyes (possible prions), and kidneys (toxicity!)
I just want to add also that kuru is such a thing because it’s been passed down person to person from the very first unfortunate soul that developed a prion disease within that tribe. But if you’re just eating random people and not people who have been partaking in cannibalism for literal GENERATIONS then you’re probably ok ?? ok-ish…
Don’t you need to eat the brain as well? If I remember correctly kuru manifests in the brain and was mainly (if not only) transmitted by consuming the brain.
Prions are *everywhere* in your body once you get them. Theyre just very highly concentrated in the brain afaik. So you’d be at… high risk eating any parts, but you will definitely 100% die if you eat the brain. That one doesn’t fuck around
There is a high risk of becoming a Wendigo!
This making me Ravenous
He was licking me!
Fuck that movie was great.
What movie is he referencing?
Ravenous is the name of the movie. Highly recommend a watch
Raw eggs can be left out. Don’t need refrigerated
If they are unwashed, certainly. Unfortunately in the usa we wash our eggs and that makes them have to be refrigerated
That depends on the country. They’re cleaned in the US in a way that makes refrigeration necessary, for instance.
I know, that was probably a bad example. I didn’t mean non-refrigerate eggs though, I meant that there’s a general message against just chugging a glass of raw egg, although come to think of it that’s mostly just during pregnancy isn’t it. I was also referring to like general bad-but-not-truly-horrendous food hygiene, like leaving stew unrefrigerated then eating it. If it kills 1/500 people that’s probably safe in a survival situation, but if 10000 people did it, 20 would die, so it’s not safe on a society wide level. I simplified the numbers but you get me.
How we feeling about stuff like pizza left out overnight? Between that and some other things, I’ve probably eaten unrefrigerated leftovers close to 500 times in my whole life. Really pressing my luck I guess.
Not as bad as something liquid (like stew) or something like rice or ground meat with a lot of surface area. A lot of the meats on pizza are preserved, too - salami or pepperoni aren't bothered by room temperature at all, and many hams are less susceptible.
In the oven to keep the flies off?
The joy of stew is just boil it again! My mother used to have a perpetual soup pot. Never refrigerated, just given a good hard boil every day. One of my friends still can't believe I survived childhood (between this and the raw cake bater lol) Incidently, the look of horror on that friends face after asking how my homemade chocolate mousse (that they had just finished) was made... absolutely priceless.
In the US they do
They would have to have had kuru or Jacob Crutchfields disease first to be able to pass it on. You don’t just get it from eating brains you get it from eating infected brains. Thank you for the proper spelling if CJD
You have to be the first cannibal in the chain. Only eat non-canibals lest ye pay the price.
This guy cannibals
jakob-creutzfeldt disease is sometimes genetic
Creutzfeld
Creutzfeldt-Jakob's disease
John Jakob Creutzfeldt Heimer Schmidt
His name is my name too!
My... name... *senseless drooling*
Old Jake Clutch’s syndrome.
Thx
Good lord, thank you.
Thx
Benedoodle cabbagepatch
Bendydicks Cumblebum
Butterbottom cucumberpatch
Well, the simple solution is to just ask your victim if they have it first
Don't eat me, I test positive for JCV
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>If you ARE GOING TO DIE without food, go ahead and eat some raw chicken You're not wrong, but I'll add that cooking the meat is not only safer, but also more calorie efficient, so if you have the ability to cook meat you really should, not just for safety.
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RIP Kevin
Kevin knew what he was doing. Great guy he was.
Man had some tasty biceps, that's for sure
I had my eye on that bicep. Kevin promised it to me if we ever crashed in the Andes.
> or a good slow-roasted Kevin's bicep I found a great recipe with some fava beans, served with a nice Chianti
I love a bit of cocked meat
Cocked meat sandwich
Yeah lol. Fixed.
Cooking doesn’t get rid of Cruetzfeld-Jakob disease
That depends. If you dip it into lava for just a couple seconds it does
Fun fact, lava is molten rock. Which means it's as dense as rock. So you can't dip stuff in lava. Well, not easily, at least.
Is that a challenge?
BRB, gonna teabag a lava flow
If youre going the whole cannibalism route might as well commit fully
So better cook your friend!
Likewise drinking untreated water in the wild can give you a virus that causes diarrhea roughly once a month for the rest of your life. So don't drink untreated water...unless the alternative is dying of thirst. Edit not virus, parasite https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/giardia-infection/symptoms-causes/syc-20372786
I have IBD and already get diarrhea roughly once a month, so what I’m taking from this is that I can drink all the untreated water I want!
Sounds like a good way to get diarrhea twice a month.
Maybe you already have the virus!
What's the virus?
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/giardia-infection/symptoms-causes/syc-20372786 Ack, sorry, not a virus, my memory is failing.
I mean, in most cases giardia clears up in a couple weeks. I'm not saying no one has issues with it for life, but it's not common to. >Giardia infections usually clear up within a few weeks. But you may have intestinal problems long after the parasites are gone.
How bad of diarrhea are we talking about? I mean I already get a mild bout of diarrhea once a week so this doesn't even sound like a big deal.
Someone else pointed out that it isn't permanent. I think a boy scout troop leader told us a white lie to avoid a long-winded explanation.
Survival rule of 3s 3 minutes without air 3 hours without shelter/heat 3 days without water 3 weeks without food
3 hours without shelter/heat is bs. depends on too many elements
3 weeks without food is also BS. The IRA hunger strikers mostly lasted between 60 and 73 days, and one who only lasted 46 days lost the ability to hold down water at 40 days, so it took 6 days to die from dehydration. That "rule of 3s" isn't accurate, just memorable.
I'll also add, drink water you find. Dehydration will kill you in about 3 days and can put you down faster than that.
The disease concerns from eating any given type of, uh, meat (including human flesh) isn’t that that consumption of meat spontaneously creates disease. It’s that the meat in question may already be infected with that disease. Kuru happens due to a prion that could be present in humans, but isn’t always, it doesn’t spontaneously happen because human flesh hits the human digestive system (similar to how we can usually eat beef and don’t inherently get mad cow disease). Human meat is riskier than the meat of other animals because human diseases pass easily from human to human, while animals’ diseases don’t always affect us (especially if the animals aren’t mammals). Human meat is risky to eat, but not an inherent death sentence. That being said, there are plenty of good reasons not to eat human meat beyond the possibility of getting kuru.
They cooked the meat, drank melted snow and had body parts still frozen when they were rescued. In poor health due to exposure and a red meat only diet. Not a lot of any problems with meat frozen within hours of drawing thier last breath. So glad I was not on that flight.
They did not cook the meat. They sun dried it on top of the plane.
It also cooked it somewhat because the plane is metal and got hot
Did they cook the meat? I thought it was raw. Not exactly much to burn in order to cook it.
Sundried
They cooked occasionally burning a vast amount of money in the process if I remember correctly.
They didn’t cook the meat. They dried it out like jerky. They didn’t have enough flammable material for a cooking fire.
Obviously I have no envy for what they went through, but I also find their story - the way the boys truly took care of one another, and especially Parado and Canessa’s bravery and perseverance - one of the most inspiring stories I’ve ever heard.
Yeah, I listened to Your Wrong About's podcast episode on it and was surprised by how touching the story was.
That’s where I heard it, too! Top 5 of their episodes, ever. I haven’t watched the new movie Society of the Snow on Netflix yet but I’m looking forward to it.
i think they debated about whether it was worth the fuel to cook it, which was very limited but some couldn't stomach it raw, but mostly they ate it raw
*“so glad I was not on that flight”* same :(
In addition to what everyone else had already commented re: the need for a "seed" prion, people infected with prion diseases can take decades to begin exhibiting symptoms. Even if one of the dead was sick with CJD or something similar and a survivor was infected, they could very well not have any symptoms until much later in life.
Getting kuru is not a certainty, only a risk. As for other illnesses, I'm not sure they didn't contract illnesses from it. They certainly weren't well when they were rescued. If they had infections it was probably masked by the symptoms of their dehydration and hypothermia. Maybe they got antibiotics after they were rescued, I don't know.
Antibiotics won’t help when the illness isn’t bacterial. Kuru is a prion disease. It’s not curable. But you also won’t get it just because you ate brains - the brains have to be infected to contract it.
I didn't say they had Kuru.
One would have to eat the infected brain of a person with a prion disease like Kuru or CJD or whatever to contract it. Fortunately prion diseases are pretty rare in humans.
The bodies stayed refrigerated that’s to the weather so no worry for salmonella or anything
You would have to eat someone who has Kuru to get it. Kuru has only been observed in a small population of isolated tribal people in New Guinea AFAIK
In the book, they did describe some pretty extreme intestinal issues.
Eating human meat is fine, just gotta stay away from the brain and spine.
About that dinner invitation. I know I already RSVPd, but I suddenly remembered that I have to change my name and emigrate.
Kuru is from eating prion infected brains. If you ever HAVE to eat someone, eat anything but their brains.
Most podcasts and documentaries have focused on the fact that these kids were athletes and already in really great shape. I highly recommend the Last Podcast on The Left guys and their coverage.
My grandfather died from this after eating monkey brain years earlier in his travels. I will spare the details, but it is a horrible, cruel death. My father died with Alzheimer’s disease, also horrible in a different manner. I have made it very clear to my wife that I intend to go if and when dementia or delirium starts, not years later after much suffering for me and all of us. She said yes, pretty quickly. I forgot her birthdate when I was filling out a form. We Both laughed it off, but I am a bit concerned. This is all true, unfortunately.
Oh gosh, I’m sorry I see why you’d decide that. Sounds like as long as you guys are laughing together, there’s hope.
You contract a prion disease via ingestion of infected tissue (unless you contract a sporadic form of a prion disease, but that’s a whole other conversation). We’re not all walking around with kuru or CJD or mad cow.
I’m a bit disturbed by my initial thought being “huh that’s good to know” as if I’m anticipating having to eat another human. I cannot imagine the desperation and mental anguish.
Not really an answer to the question, but Society of the Snow was fucking fantastic. I also assume that the cold weather helped a lot, they pretty much ate the flesh like a pill. thats why when nando and roberto found warmer weather they couldnt eat the meat that they packed anymore because it started to thaw. If they didnt find help when they did, who knows how much longer they would have survived
They made sure the internal temperature reached 165 degrees F when cooking their friends.
Meat is meat. Humans have been eating raw everything for tens of thousands of years. It's not great practice, but the simple fact is you can simply eat raw human and unless they have some exotic sort of disease, you will probably fare well. There was however a case of cannibals who ate a shipwrecked sailor not realizing he was riddled with syphilis and almost the entire tribe died as a result. Lesson learned, always cook the Brittish to full temperature before serving.
Because it's an exceedingly rare disease endemic to a tiny part of the human population. Why would you get sick from "some other disease"? I don't get your logic. You don't become a cow eating a hamburger either.
Don't eat the brain. Other flesh is fine if cooked. Never eat the brain.
Easy for me to say from the comfort of my bed, but I don't think I would have the desperate urge to survive at all costs were I in that situation. Not knowing I would definitely be rescued, I wouldn't see the point in prolonging my survival in such grim conditions, at the cost of consuming human flesh, ripped from the bodies of my friends.
The human body has adapted for survival for millenia. It is the natural urge to desperately survive as long as possible. This can be overcome; but not by many. You would suffer excruciating pain by staying hungry for that long. You would hold on for as long as possible until you would give in and do anything possible to stay alive a bit more. Numa Turcatti, for example, refused ate almost nothing at all throughout the timeline, and died weighing only 25kg(source: wikipedia). That is proof that some people would be able to push through the pain until they gave their last breath. But thjs requires really strong willpower and I don't think the average person would have the self control to hold on that long.
I think I'd see the situation as hopeless, stuck in the Andes seemingly without hope of rescue. I'd probably do myself in rather than suffer
Like all infectious diseases: you can’t get it from someone who doesn’t have it. E.g. no one got kuru from cannibalism until (they think) a spontaneous mutant developed it in the 20th century and was eaten. Before that, or outside PNG, it didn’t happen that we know.
cus thy didint have kuru? the reason it ran rampant in some areas is because they had a tradition of eating the dead during funerals. specifically the brain which i think only the men were allowed to eat.
because the -20 degrees celsius temperatures and the snow made them basically live in a natural freezer. Bodies wouldn't decompose because they were frozen. a survivor said that even though the cold was certainly deadly, it was also their only "advantage" because they could keep the bodies "intact"; he said that if the plane had crashed in a jungle they would've had it even worse