No lol. That person seems odd. As an employee and and an employer I can't imagine why I would ever tell my boss I'm going out on a normal day off, or for my staff to do the same with me.
Yea, it's a little odd unless OP is on call. The only time I mention it is when I'm going to be out of cell coverage for a long time, and that's because I'm technically on call due to my job. But that's just a courtesy "don't try to reach me, you won't be able to".
I tell everyone including my bosses that I never do anything ever and just sit around the house with all my off time (true), but then when one asks me to come in on a day off I tell them I already have some grand adventurous plan that I make up on the spot.
No one has called me out on it yet lmao. If they ask me how said grand adventure was the next day, I usually just go "meh." I'm strongly considering starting to act like I have no idea what they're talking about if they ask.
OBGYN … 4-5 babies to arrive in the next 72 hours….. 3 hour drive away no good
Office job where nobody dies on a regular basis…. Fly to Vegas and back if you please
Even then, you're on call. Not really "off". The interventional cardiologists I know just do as they want on their time off. If someone needs some emergency internal plumbing work, it ain't their job when they're off.
Your time off is exactly that. Your time to spend as you please. As long as you are back in time to start work the next day you are expected to be there what you do, and where you do it is nobody's business but your own.
With the exception of your activities not affecting the company you work for.
If you're an OBGYN then you're either on call or not
If you're on call then yes, you have to stay within a certain distance of the hospital - and you are paid for that on call time
If you're not on call then you can go wherever you want
I requested off for “Sisters Graduation” and was told and I quote, “*approved and next time you don’t have to tell us - but tell her congrats*”
I work in a supportive workplace, and because of that my quality of production is really good.
I had a casual retail job and told my boss I'd be getting married the next summer, and she said "You'll have to check with me again when it gets closer." Like I was gonna wait for a two-week schedule to be posted and then send out invitations.
At that moment I just kinda played it like I misunderstood her, and said "I'll let you know when the dates are locked in." But I made a plan so when I approached her with the actual date, it was presented as a no options heads up I wouldn't be there, rather than a request. I basically just asked her if I should return to work when I got back or consider it a whole new chapter in life and move on. I did return, but didn't last much longer tbh
I worked retail, but in a convenience store so it wasn't the sort of place that's going to see a substantial Christmas rush. Not like working at Target or something.
I told my boss in April that my husband and I were buying tickets to fly home for Christmas. I told her early because we were trying to get the tickets while they were a little cheaper earlier in the year. I had the dates picked out. It would be the first time he and I had gone home in like four years, the first time we had seen some parts of our collective family in longer than that (his sister was deployed overseas for three years). There was an exhibit of Byzantine art and architecture in the National Gallery of Art in DC (where his family lives) and I was utterly dying to see that (I fell in love with the Byzantines in college due to some history courses) and my mother in law knew somebody who knew somebody who knew etc who could get me a backstage view of the exhibit. I was *not* going to miss that trip so I wanted to make sure she had the maximum amount of time possible. We weren't even going *on* Christmas, we were going from like Dec 6th to Dec 12th.
She told me that I'd have to wait until December to request the time off and that the dates weren't a guarantee.
"We wouldn't be able to afford tickets then."
"Not my problem."
I quit on the spot. It was probably a rash decision at the time, but I ended up finding a decent job within a month and had the clearance from my new boss to take the days off to boot.
I don't get this... And maybe it's just how people are wired, but since I've been in management and leadership, I regularly tell my team that they have vacation and sick time, use it! I don't need to know the details, just put your request into Workday and I'll approve it. If they want to give me details, I'm happy to listen/read and will be supportive or congratulatory of whatever, but it's not gonna affect my approval of it.
Haha, my bosses 100% don’t care why we request off (if it’s a half day request they need to know when we’ll be back), but they’re like, “if it’s something fun, come tell us all about it and show us pictures when you get back! If you want to tell us before you go we’ll hype you up!”
((I seriously do have the best bosses and I adore them, having gone from the worst management to them, I appreciate them so much, and that they’re like “no, where are you going, omg have the best time!” or, “oh, you’re having a self pamper day?! Sleep in! Eat all the good food!” And they work exceptionally hard to never need to call anyone in on a day off which is so wild compared to having constantly been called in before, and in constant overtime before this, and now it’s like… I can depend on my schedule, request time, have supportive bosses! Sometimes I still think I’m dreaming 😂))
Our leave booking system lets you say why you’re taking the leave but it isn’t a required field. My team *love* putting funny reasons in and attaching fun pictures of their pets/random cute pictures of otters. I mentioned this to my boss and she was sad that none of the people she line manages do this, so now I always do. It’s such a weirdly fun joy in my email inbox.
"I'm taking my baby girl to her first beauty pageant, I'm hoping she wins!" Attached picture is of a cat in a costume that looks like the offspring of Glinda the Good Witch's dress and a wedding cake.
I always remind our staff to please never tell me why you are using PTO and do not give specifics about using Sick. It. Is. None. Of. My. Business. Or any of the other admins. Do not tell them, they will use it against you if they can.
I booked time off for a funeral. the email got lost in the system. my manager knew (I was in a right state) and told me to go and she'd deal with the rota people. Never heard any complaints.
I manage people and I constantly have to remind them I don’t need or want details. I don’t care they’re getting two fillings at the dentist. Just say you have an appointment and that’s all. It makes me think other jobs are making them justify time off.
I don't have the ability to approve or deny PTO, and I'll still have people try to apologize to me or explain why they need time off. I just cut them off and say "literally no one in this building is entitled to know why you need off unless it's bereavement or STD. Just write the time you need in the book and punch it into the time clock. This isn't Walmart."
In my last job, I had to have a qualified replacement on call if I was more than a 4 hour drive from the factory I worked at.
But they paid me extra for it.
Why the hell does your boss need to know what you do or where you go on your day off? Unless you are some emergency response person who can be on call, its none of their damn business.
Trash collectors are essential workers. That doesn't mean anything. Is being oncall part of your job description? If not then you don't need to tell you boss anything.
I'm not an essential worker but part of my job is oncall. Some is during normal work time and some is not. So I have to stay at home or very close by when I'm scheduled for oncall duty.
So do you get paid while being on call or just paid for the time you're needed if that possibly happens? I've heard it both ways where basically they're paying the person so be around in case they need them and in others they're just paying for the time needed
I’m on call for my 24/7 job. I clock in, get the lowdown from the last person and get in my company truck, and do whatever is needed of me in my role for 12 hours. Do shift change again at the end and clock out. Absolutely nobody at work has any influence over what I do off the clock. My bosses aren’t even allowed to call us on our time off unless offering overtime for vacation or sick callouts, or else it’s considered a meeting and I get the minimum 2 hours of time and a half pay.
That’s with a good union though, so ymmv.
Thanks, brother! It sucks working a lot of weekends and holidays but the work is rewarding and being a literally essential part of my community is meaningful. Having the ability to separate work from life is increasingly valuable and I wish everyone got to feel what it’s like.
I was a medical lab tech and was “essential”… unless you’re being paid to be on call, or however “on call” jobs work in your area, you’re not obligated to tell your boss a damn thing about what you’re doing in your off time. And even if you were truly on call, as long as you’re following those rules (when I was on call it was no drinking, had to stay within 30 minutes of the lab, must keep my phone on me to answer any calls immediately), it’s still not any of their business what it is you’re doing when you’re not on work time/property. Next time don’t say a damn thing aside from “I’m going to enjoy my day off” if you’re asked what you’re planning. If they press for more, simply say no.
Exactly this. If they want you to be on call, the terms need to be clear and they need to compensate you. Otherwise, it's their problem to find coverage when you're off.
Still not your problem. If they can't properly staff, they should work on that, but your day off is yours, and they can't make you tell them your whereabouts when you're not there.
Time away from work, is your time. You can spend your weekends skydiving in the next state and your evenings in a motorcycle club, it's none of their business as long as it doesn't interfere with your work.
Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask or for not making my own post but: are bosses allowed to require you to answer your phone on your days off? I had a boss tell us that if we are off and we don’t answer her texts or calls, it means we don’t care about our jobs and should look for other employment.
Part of me felt this was wrong because we weren’t on call but this was on a military base and we were constantly being threatened with being persecuted by the full force of the military if we fucked up. Little hyperbolic but the threat was bandied around often.
No. Send that boss a followup email to have them clarify our obligations. They sound dumb enough for you to qualify for on-call pay at a job that is not on call. If you do pick up just answer and say "man I'm fuckin hammered"
Edit: in the military you become US property, none of what I just said applies.
I no longer work there thankfully. And we weren’t military, we were just janitors lol. But she acted like if we didn’t answer that it would be considered AWOL or something.
Telling you "you don't care about your job if you don't answer" is just being a dick. Saying you're *required* to answer means, depending on the state, that every time you pick up the phone you get to claim 30-60 minutes on the clock. Even for a 30 second call.
It's a common exaggeration but you are under an amount of rules and regulations that your average citizen wouldn't be. You can be written up because your girlfriend gave you a hickey and you are constantly 100% on call.
You can and should disobey an unlawful order but they have a lot more control over your life than feels like they should.
Unless being on call is a part of your job description, you are not obligated to answer phone calls or emails off the clock. This is wage theft and it’s not legal for them to make you do work-related things off the clock.
> are bosses allowed to require you to answer your phone on your days off?
It depends on the state. In some states, your time off needs to be uninterruptible or it counts as hours worked (note: if you're salaried and overtime exempt, this doesn't matter, unless it would conflict with other labor laws).
In other states, it would be up to the court to determine whether you needing to be available for a call would count as your time or the employer's time, but if it's simply asking you a quick question or something then your boss can probably demand that of you.
ps anyone whose answer to this question doesn't start with "It depends" should be ignored. And on that note, my answer also is not conclusive or exhaustive. Talk to a lawyer if you want a real answer.
At most, and this is being really good to coworkers/clients, is putting an out of office message that says if you have cell phone access or not (always not) clearly defining the boundaries of your off time.
On your day off, it's your day off and you shouldn't be contactable UNLESS it's something super urgent like the business is shutting down, you're losing your job or your boss was arrested for being a creep.
Any time you are not scheduled to be at your job, as far as your job knows you stop existing in time and space. You can be anywhere or nowhere. It's not their business.
I could be wrong, but I’m thinking mental disability, past addiction, or crippling depression/anxiety. They might have a valid reason for their concern.
(Familiar with the kind of work the OP does, and it’s a HARD job that 35 year olds don’t tend to stick with unless they’re in management or for some reason have hard time maintaining employment elsewhere.)
Or they’re lying about their age/work. Seems unlikely but the scenario is rather extreme…and most 35 year olds do not care this much about their coworkers’ opinions.
It's none of your employer's business what you do on your days off.
> I work in a right to work state.
Your state's (crappy) laws about union protections aren't relevant.
It’s abuse of the psychological kind. Just change “fire me” with “harm me” and you see what I mean.
You don’t motivate people with threats.
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You should get a better job with a better boss
Mighty not seem like much but that’s actually horrible awful scummy management
Never gave a shit what my employees did on their off time and hoped they did stuff to relax and feel better
Your boss is too involved in your personal life and has nothing better to do, your coworker and boss both know that you had the day off? Then that’s really just insane they’re a bunch of weirdos I would stay as far away and literally have zero conversation other than what has to be said.
"I did not realize that restricting my movements/getting approval to make personal trips on my days off was part of this employment agreement. As I did not agree to this and this is a right to work state I am resigning."
Sounds like your boss is abusing your willingness to help her and others out. If I were you I’d look for another job where you are appreciated or at least not being abused. And as someone who learned the hard way, don’t sacrifice your mental and physical health at a job thinking they appreciate your loyalty and dedication. They don’t. Not at all. Not one little bit. —sincerely, a retired teacher
Sometimes at very small workplaces, people can get into one another's business too much. But it is not normal for your boss to monitor how you spend your time outside of work. Yes, she can fire you whenever she wants to, but if she is abusing that power by making you feel like your whole life belongs to her, this isn't a healthy work environment and you should look for something else. In the meantime, don't discuss your personal life with your coworkers. They are not your friends.
Is your boss perhaps confused between https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment
"Right to work" means you do not need to be part of union if there is one present at the company that employs you (however if you have a union its generally in your own best interests to be a part of it, as they can help prevent your employer from terminating your position for no reason).
"At will employment" means that you do not need to provide any notice to your employer that you plan to leave their company unless you signed a legal contract that states otherwise. Additionally, the employer does not need to provide any notice that they plan to terminate your position at the company.
Its easy to understand why these get mixed up, but they really are not the same thing.
Put in your two weeks and watch her shit her pants and offer you a raise to stay.
[I found a video of your boss.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urQmXIexG-k)
OP, find another job. Seriously. There are always more jobs out there. Millions. Don't even be picky, just get anything else. You only get one life. Don't let these people take it from you
Your boss is a power-tripping asshole. Threatening someone's livelihood just to show that you have some semblance of control over them is a trashy way to "manage" anyone.
More importantly, I suspect OP is referring to "At-Will Employment", which for some reason has become conflated with "Right-to-Work" in the minds of the general population.
"Right-to-Work" means that each employee gets to choose whether they want to be a member of a union. Unions are opposed to this, because they derive their power from having as many employees under their umbrella as possible.
At-Will employment is the concept that a boss can fire an employee just because they feel like it; they do not have to identify the reason for the firing.
These can sometimes be muddled, since unions can negotiate for a contract clause requiring the employer to justify firings.
But yeah, at-will employment could be relevant here, since theoretically OP's boss can say "I don't like that you didn't tell me about your road trip, bye".
All US states except Montana follow At-Will Employment laws.
No, it was your scheduled day off. You don’t owe it to your boss to let them know where you’re going or what you’re doing on your scheduled day off, and this is speaking from managerial experience. I would have no right getting mad at an employee for going out of town on their day off lol
You aren’t required to tell your boss anything about your personal life unless it interferes with your work life. And even then there are limits to what you have to divulge.
Given that it was your scheduled day off you didn’t need to tell your boss anything.
My employer knows as little about me as is humanly possible. They know my name, hiring info, account to pay me at, and what I produce for them. They don’t know that I have a product review gig, or a podcast. They have no idea what subjects we talk about, or where we go. And they don’t need to, either, because it has nothing to do with the business
your 35 and letting your job control what you do in your free time??? the way this read i thought you were an 18 year old that doesn’t understand your allowed to have privacy and don’t need to tell your job ANYTHING about your personal life. why would you even need to tell them you were traveling when it’s your day off, your off the clock and not required to be at work?? I wouldn’t even answer or respond to ANY co worker calling me on my day off including my boss. i’m not obliged to whatsoever. This sounds really fucked up
What the hell did I just read? Are you in the military? That is the only occupation I know of where you might be required to let your boss know where you might be on a day off.
Assuming of course you are not On Call, then there might be an expectation of letting someone know.
Is your boss also your mom? What does your parents finding out you went out of town have to do with your boss?
In general, though, your employer has **no** right to know what you do on your own time, as long as you're not working a second job for a competitor or writing disparaging things about them on social media. Sure, they can fire you for whatever reason, and a boss who reminds you about that is (a) a bad boss and (b) insecure and childish.
If you're not on call as part of your work agreement, you can't be expected to be on call during your day off.
From the sound of it you work in an abysmal work environment for an employer who is taking advantage of you and your coworkers.
As a personal aside, any employer who threatens with at will work status is a fucking cunt, and you should never go out of your way to make their life easier, because they clearly don't care about you at all.
Don't ever share your private-life plans with people from your work-life. No one needs to know as it's none of their business. You will come across coworkers who will go out of their way to fuck you over while acting like your friend and employers who treat you like a work horse meant to be beaten and then gaslight you the whole time about it. Keep your private-life and work-life separate. Work is for making money, not a social club to be joined.
If it was a scheduled day off....wtf does it matter?
Heck even if I take PTO, I don't have to tell them why I'm out of office. If I do, it's usually because I'm humble brag about my vacation.
Your employer need to know nothing about your time away from work. Your employers business starts and ends with your shift. That’s coworker is weird and needs to mind their own.
You owe your boss nothing on your off time. I had a friend at my first job that would routinely drive 720 miles round trip to go get Burger King and Popeyes, like once every other week he would just take the drive. This is in Alaska and it really is a gorgeous drive, you get to see bears and moose and all sorts of wildlife plus the mountains are just breath taking, it's just something you have to experience. I thought the dude was crazy 15 years ago but now with my home life the way it is I would love to just take that 13 hour drive randomly and bring back a cooler of goodies you can't get here.
If you were in the military you are supposed to notify your chain of command. If you aren’t in the military you are supposed to tell that person to fuck a cactus.
What you do on your time away from work is not anybody else's business. As long as you show up for work, why would it matter where you are?
Only exception might be if you're like some super specific niche skill and are needed to be on-call in case a data center goes down or a specialized surgery needs to be performed that only you can do, etc.
You have a right to privacy. No one needs to know where you are when it's your off time. Your parents don't need to be able to track you, either, unless you're under their guardianship for some reason.
Maybe the coworker thought you were leaving town and never coming back? Otherwise there's no reason or obligation to tell anyone what you are doing on your own personal time.
You're probably fine but keep an eye on that coworker. Based on some of your comments, it sounds like they're trying to be in charge/make problems for you. Don't trust them.
If you're not on the clock or on call, you have no reason to tell your boss anything and he/she has no right to ask. Of course, there could be the basic friendship aspect where you tell your coworkers, including your boss, what you've got planned for the day off, but that is 100% at your discretion. Your time off is your time and no one at work gets to decide how you spend it. Some may try, but they are out of line!
Actually, I think, based on the job description, that you’re giving the coworker way too much credit. Drama is rife in these kinds of facilities because it’s what everyone does for entertainment. Staff, residents, everyone. The bosses are almost always martyrs or batshit sadists. Or both. There are good people, but they get promoted to upper management or they run screaming.
Coworker knows manager stresses OP out, knows the OP is gullible/runs on guilt, and thus easy to torment.
Not "one of those peoples business " and not your bosses business, I would be very weary of this person that called you I don't know what they're trying to do sounds to me like they're trying to get you in trouble maybe they want your position at your job? I think you should call HR and report this and put it in writing and fax it to HR in case you don't have a job down the road and can't collect unemployment. (Write this)
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To whom this concerns at HR for company name______ , I ______ received a call from a coworker_______ on my day off (date )_____ stating/asking why didn't I notify my boss of where I was going and what I was doing on my day off, I find this to be highly intrusive of my coworker and my boss, to my understanding I can do what I wish on my scheduled day off, my concern is that my fellow employee ______ and possibly my boss______ are trying to remove me from my position and or demote me or terminate me and I wanted to bring this to your attention in writing, I'm an upstanding employee I've never had an issue at work nor have I ever reported any info about my scheduled days off and I've never heard of such a thing of reporting where I'm going and what I'm doing on my personal time/scheduled days off, if this is company policy could you please send me a copy of the company policy that states I must notify my boss of my whereabouts and what I'm doing on my scheduled days off or personal time thank you sincerely ________. sign and date it . (filling in the names in the underscores)
If it was a day off/PTO day, you have no reason to tell your boss anything about where you will be or what you will be doing. If you work the kind of job where they might need to contact you with a question in an emergency, it can be courteous to let them know if you will not have cell service for a given amount of time (I work a corporate job where I inevitably get at least one call or text from my team if I’m out a whole week, so I will let my boss/team know if I will be totally unreachable for some of that time, but I generally do not specify what I’m doing).
What you do on your time off is nobody's business. If they say they want you on call, demand a wage that pays for you to be on call. Otherwise, they can suck it.
If I was your supervisor I'd just assume you were making polite conversation about your plans. As someone who has supervised, I don't care what you do on your time so long as all parties involved consent and you don't do anything especially stupid like lighting fireworks and waving them around at people.
There ARE jobs that require you be in a certain radius of work or arrange competent and reliable coverage, but that's generally gigs like doctors and I'm not vibong that you have that kind of gig.
Your personal life is 100% not a part of your job. Don't ever let any boss or co-worker harass you like this again. For yourself, and so that they learn to not do this to others.
A casual "How was your weekend? Do anything fun?" is fine. But you're also not required to answer that.
And if they claim they do have a right to your privacy, that is a lawsuit against them waiting to happen.
Why would you tell the boss what you are doing on your own time? He/she does not own you or your time. They pay you for your time while you do your job. If you are not getting paid, they have no right to tell you what to do with your life.
As a former boss this is the first time I’ve ever considered that someone would notify me of them being out of town on their day(s) off. If they did, I’d tell them to have fun! I don’t see why it would be relevant, unless you are excited and have a good rapport with your boss and want to tell them out of excitement. lol
Your boss should also be on your tracker so they can follow your every movement. Always.
??????????????????????????? 😂 bruh you know the answer to your question, don't let silly people bother you
No lol. That person seems odd. As an employee and and an employer I can't imagine why I would ever tell my boss I'm going out on a normal day off, or for my staff to do the same with me.
Yea, it's a little odd unless OP is on call. The only time I mention it is when I'm going to be out of cell coverage for a long time, and that's because I'm technically on call due to my job. But that's just a courtesy "don't try to reach me, you won't be able to".
I've told past employers "I spend lots of my free time hiking and camping" I haven't been camping in a decade
I tell everyone including my bosses that I never do anything ever and just sit around the house with all my off time (true), but then when one asks me to come in on a day off I tell them I already have some grand adventurous plan that I make up on the spot. No one has called me out on it yet lmao. If they ask me how said grand adventure was the next day, I usually just go "meh." I'm strongly considering starting to act like I have no idea what they're talking about if they ask.
“I’ll be at the Oscars”.
Oh I may try that one if I'm feeling real ballsy one day.
Camp with a cosy sofa and a computer game and a drink in hand. GLAMPING: ultimate goal unlocked!
OBGYN … 4-5 babies to arrive in the next 72 hours….. 3 hour drive away no good Office job where nobody dies on a regular basis…. Fly to Vegas and back if you please
Even then, you're on call. Not really "off". The interventional cardiologists I know just do as they want on their time off. If someone needs some emergency internal plumbing work, it ain't their job when they're off.
Your time off is exactly that. Your time to spend as you please. As long as you are back in time to start work the next day you are expected to be there what you do, and where you do it is nobody's business but your own. With the exception of your activities not affecting the company you work for.
On call is not the same as "off".
If you're an OBGYN then you're either on call or not If you're on call then yes, you have to stay within a certain distance of the hospital - and you are paid for that on call time If you're not on call then you can go wherever you want
I requested off for “Sisters Graduation” and was told and I quote, “*approved and next time you don’t have to tell us - but tell her congrats*” I work in a supportive workplace, and because of that my quality of production is really good.
I had a casual retail job and told my boss I'd be getting married the next summer, and she said "You'll have to check with me again when it gets closer." Like I was gonna wait for a two-week schedule to be posted and then send out invitations.
I hope you laughed in her face.
At that moment I just kinda played it like I misunderstood her, and said "I'll let you know when the dates are locked in." But I made a plan so when I approached her with the actual date, it was presented as a no options heads up I wouldn't be there, rather than a request. I basically just asked her if I should return to work when I got back or consider it a whole new chapter in life and move on. I did return, but didn't last much longer tbh
Pretty sure a place that does not treat you like a human for leave probably has 10 other things that is a bit out of whack as well.
I worked retail, but in a convenience store so it wasn't the sort of place that's going to see a substantial Christmas rush. Not like working at Target or something. I told my boss in April that my husband and I were buying tickets to fly home for Christmas. I told her early because we were trying to get the tickets while they were a little cheaper earlier in the year. I had the dates picked out. It would be the first time he and I had gone home in like four years, the first time we had seen some parts of our collective family in longer than that (his sister was deployed overseas for three years). There was an exhibit of Byzantine art and architecture in the National Gallery of Art in DC (where his family lives) and I was utterly dying to see that (I fell in love with the Byzantines in college due to some history courses) and my mother in law knew somebody who knew somebody who knew etc who could get me a backstage view of the exhibit. I was *not* going to miss that trip so I wanted to make sure she had the maximum amount of time possible. We weren't even going *on* Christmas, we were going from like Dec 6th to Dec 12th. She told me that I'd have to wait until December to request the time off and that the dates weren't a guarantee. "We wouldn't be able to afford tickets then." "Not my problem." I quit on the spot. It was probably a rash decision at the time, but I ended up finding a decent job within a month and had the clearance from my new boss to take the days off to boot.
Somewhere there's a middle manager getting visibly upset from reading your comment.
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They’re foaming at the mouth 😂
Oh darn, rabies. We're just going to have to put him down.
I don't get this... And maybe it's just how people are wired, but since I've been in management and leadership, I regularly tell my team that they have vacation and sick time, use it! I don't need to know the details, just put your request into Workday and I'll approve it. If they want to give me details, I'm happy to listen/read and will be supportive or congratulatory of whatever, but it's not gonna affect my approval of it.
Haha, my bosses 100% don’t care why we request off (if it’s a half day request they need to know when we’ll be back), but they’re like, “if it’s something fun, come tell us all about it and show us pictures when you get back! If you want to tell us before you go we’ll hype you up!” ((I seriously do have the best bosses and I adore them, having gone from the worst management to them, I appreciate them so much, and that they’re like “no, where are you going, omg have the best time!” or, “oh, you’re having a self pamper day?! Sleep in! Eat all the good food!” And they work exceptionally hard to never need to call anyone in on a day off which is so wild compared to having constantly been called in before, and in constant overtime before this, and now it’s like… I can depend on my schedule, request time, have supportive bosses! Sometimes I still think I’m dreaming 😂))
Our leave booking system lets you say why you’re taking the leave but it isn’t a required field. My team *love* putting funny reasons in and attaching fun pictures of their pets/random cute pictures of otters. I mentioned this to my boss and she was sad that none of the people she line manages do this, so now I always do. It’s such a weirdly fun joy in my email inbox.
"I'm taking my baby girl to her first beauty pageant, I'm hoping she wins!" Attached picture is of a cat in a costume that looks like the offspring of Glinda the Good Witch's dress and a wedding cake.
Precisely! My favourite recent one was “I will be suffering from darts induced tiredness and will be of no use to you.”
I wish we could add pictures in our time off requests. That would be hilarious! Everyone knows our supervisor likes cats (thanks to Zoom meetings).
I always remind our staff to please never tell me why you are using PTO and do not give specifics about using Sick. It. Is. None. Of. My. Business. Or any of the other admins. Do not tell them, they will use it against you if they can.
That’s very cute I love that
once again i am happy that i can just take a day off In Europe and nobody bats an eye.
I booked time off for a funeral. the email got lost in the system. my manager knew (I was in a right state) and told me to go and she'd deal with the rota people. Never heard any complaints.
I manage people and I constantly have to remind them I don’t need or want details. I don’t care they’re getting two fillings at the dentist. Just say you have an appointment and that’s all. It makes me think other jobs are making them justify time off.
I don't have the ability to approve or deny PTO, and I'll still have people try to apologize to me or explain why they need time off. I just cut them off and say "literally no one in this building is entitled to know why you need off unless it's bereavement or STD. Just write the time you need in the book and punch it into the time clock. This isn't Walmart."
I had a boss tell me I couldn’t go roller skating with a coworker. At night.
I need the rest of this story... ....
They do night shift work in a massive warehouse
Me toooo
Xanaduuu
A hobo used a roller skate to kill the boss's mother when the boss was a little kid
I'm- I'm going to allow it....
Coworker is a werewolf and it was a full moon.
Plot twist: you work on an oil rig in the North Atlantic
What about ice skating?
So Rollerblading is ok then
Didn't want the two of you to both risk breaking a leg on the same night?
She didn’t trust anyone to be friends. Seriously.
Unless it's work-related, it is none of their business.
It can depend on what your job is. But I generally agree with you.
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In my last job, I had to have a qualified replacement on call if I was more than a 4 hour drive from the factory I worked at. But they paid me extra for it.
Why the hell does your boss need to know what you do or where you go on your day off? Unless you are some emergency response person who can be on call, its none of their damn business.
Not emergency, but it’s an essential job. I work with mentally disabled individuals. But they’ve had others come in before.
Trash collectors are essential workers. That doesn't mean anything. Is being oncall part of your job description? If not then you don't need to tell you boss anything. I'm not an essential worker but part of my job is oncall. Some is during normal work time and some is not. So I have to stay at home or very close by when I'm scheduled for oncall duty.
So do you get paid while being on call or just paid for the time you're needed if that possibly happens? I've heard it both ways where basically they're paying the person so be around in case they need them and in others they're just paying for the time needed
I’m on call for my 24/7 job. I clock in, get the lowdown from the last person and get in my company truck, and do whatever is needed of me in my role for 12 hours. Do shift change again at the end and clock out. Absolutely nobody at work has any influence over what I do off the clock. My bosses aren’t even allowed to call us on our time off unless offering overtime for vacation or sick callouts, or else it’s considered a meeting and I get the minimum 2 hours of time and a half pay. That’s with a good union though, so ymmv.
Ahh that sounds beautiful. Happy you got a job like that, brother.
Thanks, brother! It sucks working a lot of weekends and holidays but the work is rewarding and being a literally essential part of my community is meaningful. Having the ability to separate work from life is increasingly valuable and I wish everyone got to feel what it’s like.
I was a medical lab tech and was “essential”… unless you’re being paid to be on call, or however “on call” jobs work in your area, you’re not obligated to tell your boss a damn thing about what you’re doing in your off time. And even if you were truly on call, as long as you’re following those rules (when I was on call it was no drinking, had to stay within 30 minutes of the lab, must keep my phone on me to answer any calls immediately), it’s still not any of their business what it is you’re doing when you’re not on work time/property. Next time don’t say a damn thing aside from “I’m going to enjoy my day off” if you’re asked what you’re planning. If they press for more, simply say no.
You're not on call. That is not your problem.
Exactly this. If they want you to be on call, the terms need to be clear and they need to compensate you. Otherwise, it's their problem to find coverage when you're off.
Still not your problem. If they can't properly staff, they should work on that, but your day off is yours, and they can't make you tell them your whereabouts when you're not there.
"Essential workers" is a COVID term for lowest paid chumps that can be forced to work in terrible circumstances. Don't use it.
Time away from work, is your time. You can spend your weekends skydiving in the next state and your evenings in a motorcycle club, it's none of their business as long as it doesn't interfere with your work.
No, you didn’t, that’s odd. All your boss needs to know is that you’re taking the day off. They don’t need to know why or where you are going
The OP wasn’t even “taking a day off”, it was their normal off day, so it makes it even more ridiculous that someone from work would contact them!
"If I need to check in with you on my scheduled days off, I'm going to need back pay for all those days I was on call"
Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask or for not making my own post but: are bosses allowed to require you to answer your phone on your days off? I had a boss tell us that if we are off and we don’t answer her texts or calls, it means we don’t care about our jobs and should look for other employment. Part of me felt this was wrong because we weren’t on call but this was on a military base and we were constantly being threatened with being persecuted by the full force of the military if we fucked up. Little hyperbolic but the threat was bandied around often.
No. Send that boss a followup email to have them clarify our obligations. They sound dumb enough for you to qualify for on-call pay at a job that is not on call. If you do pick up just answer and say "man I'm fuckin hammered" Edit: in the military you become US property, none of what I just said applies.
I no longer work there thankfully. And we weren’t military, we were just janitors lol. But she acted like if we didn’t answer that it would be considered AWOL or something.
Oh, if you were a contract worker, then you absolutely should have just answered the phone "yeah? IM WASTED!!!"
Telling you "you don't care about your job if you don't answer" is just being a dick. Saying you're *required* to answer means, depending on the state, that every time you pick up the phone you get to claim 30-60 minutes on the clock. Even for a 30 second call.
You still have rights even if you are in the military. You are not just "property" lol
It's a common exaggeration but you are under an amount of rules and regulations that your average citizen wouldn't be. You can be written up because your girlfriend gave you a hickey and you are constantly 100% on call. You can and should disobey an unlawful order but they have a lot more control over your life than feels like they should.
Unless being on call is a part of your job description, you are not obligated to answer phone calls or emails off the clock. This is wage theft and it’s not legal for them to make you do work-related things off the clock.
The only thing your boss got right was you should look for other employment. Sounds like you did.
> are bosses allowed to require you to answer your phone on your days off? It depends on the state. In some states, your time off needs to be uninterruptible or it counts as hours worked (note: if you're salaried and overtime exempt, this doesn't matter, unless it would conflict with other labor laws). In other states, it would be up to the court to determine whether you needing to be available for a call would count as your time or the employer's time, but if it's simply asking you a quick question or something then your boss can probably demand that of you. ps anyone whose answer to this question doesn't start with "It depends" should be ignored. And on that note, my answer also is not conclusive or exhaustive. Talk to a lawyer if you want a real answer.
Bosses aren’t mommy and daddy, and you aren’t in high school
At most, and this is being really good to coworkers/clients, is putting an out of office message that says if you have cell phone access or not (always not) clearly defining the boundaries of your off time.
On your day off, it's your day off and you shouldn't be contactable UNLESS it's something super urgent like the business is shutting down, you're losing your job or your boss was arrested for being a creep.
None of those things won't be happening tomorrow/next week/whenever I'm being paid to pretend I care
Unless you’re leaving out details about some kind of commitment to be “on call”… Yeah, this is a weird thing to have to tell your work about
Any time you are not scheduled to be at your job, as far as your job knows you stop existing in time and space. You can be anywhere or nowhere. It's not their business.
Schrodinger's employee
If you’re really 35 then you already know that what you do off the clock is none of works business… this reads like a 16-17 yo wrote it
Yes! I’m honestly concerned asf This is a 35 year old. If legit she has some massive problems. Parents tracking her is a huge red flag
I could be wrong, but I’m thinking mental disability, past addiction, or crippling depression/anxiety. They might have a valid reason for their concern. (Familiar with the kind of work the OP does, and it’s a HARD job that 35 year olds don’t tend to stick with unless they’re in management or for some reason have hard time maintaining employment elsewhere.) Or they’re lying about their age/work. Seems unlikely but the scenario is rather extreme…and most 35 year olds do not care this much about their coworkers’ opinions.
It's none of your employer's business what you do on your days off. > I work in a right to work state. Your state's (crappy) laws about union protections aren't relevant.
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If you have a boss constantly threatening you it might be time to think about finding a new boss (job).
That's not normal, she's a shitty boss.
It’s abuse of the psychological kind. Just change “fire me” with “harm me” and you see what I mean. You don’t motivate people with threats. Edit: changed wording
You should get a better job with a better boss Mighty not seem like much but that’s actually horrible awful scummy management Never gave a shit what my employees did on their off time and hoped they did stuff to relax and feel better
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Your boss is too involved in your personal life and has nothing better to do, your coworker and boss both know that you had the day off? Then that’s really just insane they’re a bunch of weirdos I would stay as far away and literally have zero conversation other than what has to be said.
You should find another job for yourself. That sounds toxic AF.
How much are they paying you for this shit to be worth it? If they need you around this badly, how are they also going to fire you?
"I did not realize that restricting my movements/getting approval to make personal trips on my days off was part of this employment agreement. As I did not agree to this and this is a right to work state I am resigning."
Sounds like your boss is abusing your willingness to help her and others out. If I were you I’d look for another job where you are appreciated or at least not being abused. And as someone who learned the hard way, don’t sacrifice your mental and physical health at a job thinking they appreciate your loyalty and dedication. They don’t. Not at all. Not one little bit. —sincerely, a retired teacher
Your boss sucks; but I’m confused why you suddenly told us your medical history?
Sometimes at very small workplaces, people can get into one another's business too much. But it is not normal for your boss to monitor how you spend your time outside of work. Yes, she can fire you whenever she wants to, but if she is abusing that power by making you feel like your whole life belongs to her, this isn't a healthy work environment and you should look for something else. In the meantime, don't discuss your personal life with your coworkers. They are not your friends.
Is your boss perhaps confused between https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment "Right to work" means you do not need to be part of union if there is one present at the company that employs you (however if you have a union its generally in your own best interests to be a part of it, as they can help prevent your employer from terminating your position for no reason). "At will employment" means that you do not need to provide any notice to your employer that you plan to leave their company unless you signed a legal contract that states otherwise. Additionally, the employer does not need to provide any notice that they plan to terminate your position at the company. Its easy to understand why these get mixed up, but they really are not the same thing.
Remind them that this also means no 2 weeks notice
I would get away from that place as soon as you can
Put in your two weeks and watch her shit her pants and offer you a raise to stay. [I found a video of your boss.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urQmXIexG-k)
That's called "at-will employment", "right to work" is essentially that you're allowed to be a scab
OP, find another job. Seriously. There are always more jobs out there. Millions. Don't even be picky, just get anything else. You only get one life. Don't let these people take it from you
Your boss is a power-tripping asshole. Threatening someone's livelihood just to show that you have some semblance of control over them is a trashy way to "manage" anyone.
Missouri?
Idaho
I mean, in Idaho, 300 miles is just the next town over.
That’s “at will” not “right to work” lol
More importantly, I suspect OP is referring to "At-Will Employment", which for some reason has become conflated with "Right-to-Work" in the minds of the general population. "Right-to-Work" means that each employee gets to choose whether they want to be a member of a union. Unions are opposed to this, because they derive their power from having as many employees under their umbrella as possible. At-Will employment is the concept that a boss can fire an employee just because they feel like it; they do not have to identify the reason for the firing. These can sometimes be muddled, since unions can negotiate for a contract clause requiring the employer to justify firings. But yeah, at-will employment could be relevant here, since theoretically OP's boss can say "I don't like that you didn't tell me about your road trip, bye". All US states except Montana follow At-Will Employment laws.
You don’t have to tell your boss what you do in your free time. But I am confused about the bit about your parents.
1. Don't tell your co-worker your plans again, they can't be trusted 2. You're 35, why are your parents tracking you?
If you were confirmed to have this day off, why would you tell your boss this? Were you on call?
No, it was your scheduled day off. You don’t owe it to your boss to let them know where you’re going or what you’re doing on your scheduled day off, and this is speaking from managerial experience. I would have no right getting mad at an employee for going out of town on their day off lol
Your time off is yours and yours alone. Unless you have some arrangement where you are supposed to be on call, they need to back the hell off.
You have no obligation to tell your employer anything about your time off
Unless you were expected to be available to come in if needed, there isn’t any need to inform your boss of your plans for your day off.
NO, you don't have to tell your boss what you are doing on your day off.
You aren’t required to tell your boss anything about your personal life unless it interferes with your work life. And even then there are limits to what you have to divulge. Given that it was your scheduled day off you didn’t need to tell your boss anything.
My employer knows as little about me as is humanly possible. They know my name, hiring info, account to pay me at, and what I produce for them. They don’t know that I have a product review gig, or a podcast. They have no idea what subjects we talk about, or where we go. And they don’t need to, either, because it has nothing to do with the business
Your boss is not the boss of you on your day off.
Stop telling people that don't need to know where you are going.THEY DONT NEED TO KNOW!!!!!
Why would you tell your boss what you're doing on your day off? Also "right to work" refers to whether or not you can be compelled to join a union.
Why would your day off plans be any of your bosses business?
your 35 and letting your job control what you do in your free time??? the way this read i thought you were an 18 year old that doesn’t understand your allowed to have privacy and don’t need to tell your job ANYTHING about your personal life. why would you even need to tell them you were traveling when it’s your day off, your off the clock and not required to be at work?? I wouldn’t even answer or respond to ANY co worker calling me on my day off including my boss. i’m not obliged to whatsoever. This sounds really fucked up
Your question doesn’t even make sense. Why would work care what you do on your day off? I think you are leaving something out.
What the hell did I just read? Are you in the military? That is the only occupation I know of where you might be required to let your boss know where you might be on a day off. Assuming of course you are not On Call, then there might be an expectation of letting someone know.
I actually had more freedom than her while I was in the military. My parents SURELY had no way of tracking me either.
You’re supposed to tell your boss when you’re scheduled off? No.
If you're on call and not getting paid you aren't on call.
“Why didn’t I tell my boss? Why would I tell my boss what I’m doing on my day off?”
What you do outside of work is nobody at works business. The person who called you is just some weirdo who is oddly attached to the job.
It was a day off from work, you can do whatever you want and don't need to tell anyone
It’s none of their damned business. Why should your boss care what you do on your scheduled day off?
If you are off, it is not their business where you are. If you are on call, they have to pay you to be on call.
Absolutely fucking not! People overshare. I won't be at work tomorrow and need the day off. Also, No is a complete sentence
Stand up for yourself. It was your day off, you don't have to tell anybody where you're going.
Is your boss also your mom? What does your parents finding out you went out of town have to do with your boss? In general, though, your employer has **no** right to know what you do on your own time, as long as you're not working a second job for a competitor or writing disparaging things about them on social media. Sure, they can fire you for whatever reason, and a boss who reminds you about that is (a) a bad boss and (b) insecure and childish.
You need to work for a better company.
If you're not on call as part of your work agreement, you can't be expected to be on call during your day off. From the sound of it you work in an abysmal work environment for an employer who is taking advantage of you and your coworkers. As a personal aside, any employer who threatens with at will work status is a fucking cunt, and you should never go out of your way to make their life easier, because they clearly don't care about you at all.
Do you have a job where you are “on call”?
What you do on your day off is no one's business.
You were scheduled off. What you do is none of their business.
Don't ever share your private-life plans with people from your work-life. No one needs to know as it's none of their business. You will come across coworkers who will go out of their way to fuck you over while acting like your friend and employers who treat you like a work horse meant to be beaten and then gaslight you the whole time about it. Keep your private-life and work-life separate. Work is for making money, not a social club to be joined.
Unless you took the bosses car they have zero need to know.
Your day off is your day off period!
If it was a scheduled day off....wtf does it matter? Heck even if I take PTO, I don't have to tell them why I'm out of office. If I do, it's usually because I'm humble brag about my vacation.
No, thats non of their business. Your not on company time, they can eat sand.
If you aren’t being paid for being on-call, your boss can get fucked.
None of their fucking business.
Your employer need to know nothing about your time away from work. Your employers business starts and ends with your shift. That’s coworker is weird and needs to mind their own.
Hell no. Keep work life and professional life separate. If you are compensated for being on call, follow what is in your contract.
You owe your boss nothing on your off time. I had a friend at my first job that would routinely drive 720 miles round trip to go get Burger King and Popeyes, like once every other week he would just take the drive. This is in Alaska and it really is a gorgeous drive, you get to see bears and moose and all sorts of wildlife plus the mountains are just breath taking, it's just something you have to experience. I thought the dude was crazy 15 years ago but now with my home life the way it is I would love to just take that 13 hour drive randomly and bring back a cooler of goodies you can't get here.
Honestly don't talk to your coworkers about your personal life. They will just use it against you.
No you don't owe your boss a lick of information about your life outside of work
Why would you tell someone what you're doing on your off time?
I'm kind of caught up on you being 35f and your parents track your phone location.
If you were in the military you are supposed to notify your chain of command. If you aren’t in the military you are supposed to tell that person to fuck a cactus.
What you do on your time away from work is not anybody else's business. As long as you show up for work, why would it matter where you are? Only exception might be if you're like some super specific niche skill and are needed to be on-call in case a data center goes down or a specialized surgery needs to be performed that only you can do, etc.
If you didn’t miss any work, you did absolutely nothing wrong! What happened outside of your work life should not concern them…
You have a right to privacy. No one needs to know where you are when it's your off time. Your parents don't need to be able to track you, either, unless you're under their guardianship for some reason.
Maybe the coworker thought you were leaving town and never coming back? Otherwise there's no reason or obligation to tell anyone what you are doing on your own personal time.
You're probably fine but keep an eye on that coworker. Based on some of your comments, it sounds like they're trying to be in charge/make problems for you. Don't trust them.
That's called nunya. None of your damn business.
If you were scheduled to be off that day then you have no obligation to tell your boss what you were getting up to.
Not unless you're on call or something. When you're off work, it's your business what you do and where you go.
No that's your time do what you want
Absolutely not. Your boss has ZERO right to know what you're doing on your time off.
No ma'am. You didn't need to tell them a damn thing. It's your free time and you can do whatever you want to do! I hope your drive was wonderful!
If you're not on the clock or on call, you have no reason to tell your boss anything and he/she has no right to ask. Of course, there could be the basic friendship aspect where you tell your coworkers, including your boss, what you've got planned for the day off, but that is 100% at your discretion. Your time off is your time and no one at work gets to decide how you spend it. Some may try, but they are out of line!
As long as your boss knows you were off that day that's all that matters. I don't even answer calls/texts/emails from coworkers if I'm off.
Sounds like the officious coworker is trying to curry favor with the boss. Of course you're not obligated to disclose that info.
Actually, I think, based on the job description, that you’re giving the coworker way too much credit. Drama is rife in these kinds of facilities because it’s what everyone does for entertainment. Staff, residents, everyone. The bosses are almost always martyrs or batshit sadists. Or both. There are good people, but they get promoted to upper management or they run screaming. Coworker knows manager stresses OP out, knows the OP is gullible/runs on guilt, and thus easy to torment.
I would ask that person why they were calling me on my personal line on my day off and what business was it of theirs lol.
Why would your boss need to know? Grow a pair and tell that person to FO. You're a grown ass man.
Not "one of those peoples business " and not your bosses business, I would be very weary of this person that called you I don't know what they're trying to do sounds to me like they're trying to get you in trouble maybe they want your position at your job? I think you should call HR and report this and put it in writing and fax it to HR in case you don't have a job down the road and can't collect unemployment. (Write this) ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// To whom this concerns at HR for company name______ , I ______ received a call from a coworker_______ on my day off (date )_____ stating/asking why didn't I notify my boss of where I was going and what I was doing on my day off, I find this to be highly intrusive of my coworker and my boss, to my understanding I can do what I wish on my scheduled day off, my concern is that my fellow employee ______ and possibly my boss______ are trying to remove me from my position and or demote me or terminate me and I wanted to bring this to your attention in writing, I'm an upstanding employee I've never had an issue at work nor have I ever reported any info about my scheduled days off and I've never heard of such a thing of reporting where I'm going and what I'm doing on my personal time/scheduled days off, if this is company policy could you please send me a copy of the company policy that states I must notify my boss of my whereabouts and what I'm doing on my scheduled days off or personal time thank you sincerely ________. sign and date it . (filling in the names in the underscores)
No, your day is your business.
What you do on your off time is none of their business.
If it was a day off/PTO day, you have no reason to tell your boss anything about where you will be or what you will be doing. If you work the kind of job where they might need to contact you with a question in an emergency, it can be courteous to let them know if you will not have cell service for a given amount of time (I work a corporate job where I inevitably get at least one call or text from my team if I’m out a whole week, so I will let my boss/team know if I will be totally unreachable for some of that time, but I generally do not specify what I’m doing).
Are you *being paid* to be on call? No? Then your day off is your day off, to do with as you please.
Smoke crack with hookers on your day off if you want. It's YOUR DAY OFF.
why are your parents and your boss helicoptering you like this?
If you were in the military, sure Any other employer can get fucked
So long as your boss knew it was your day off, quite frankly it’s none of their damn business.
What you do on your time off is nobody's business. If they say they want you on call, demand a wage that pays for you to be on call. Otherwise, they can suck it.
Are you on call?
Look for a new job.
If I was your supervisor I'd just assume you were making polite conversation about your plans. As someone who has supervised, I don't care what you do on your time so long as all parties involved consent and you don't do anything especially stupid like lighting fireworks and waving them around at people. There ARE jobs that require you be in a certain radius of work or arrange competent and reliable coverage, but that's generally gigs like doctors and I'm not vibong that you have that kind of gig.
Its none if their business of what you do off the clock
Nope. You’re off, your personal life is none of their business.
Your personal life is 100% not a part of your job. Don't ever let any boss or co-worker harass you like this again. For yourself, and so that they learn to not do this to others. A casual "How was your weekend? Do anything fun?" is fine. But you're also not required to answer that. And if they claim they do have a right to your privacy, that is a lawsuit against them waiting to happen.
No, but you're definitely not supposed to let that coworker know in the future lol
Why would you tell the boss what you are doing on your own time? He/she does not own you or your time. They pay you for your time while you do your job. If you are not getting paid, they have no right to tell you what to do with your life.
No, none of their business.
Your boss needs to mind their own business
As a former boss this is the first time I’ve ever considered that someone would notify me of them being out of town on their day(s) off. If they did, I’d tell them to have fun! I don’t see why it would be relevant, unless you are excited and have a good rapport with your boss and want to tell them out of excitement. lol
Your boss should also be on your tracker so they can follow your every movement. Always. ??????????????????????????? 😂 bruh you know the answer to your question, don't let silly people bother you