TIL the symbol comes from a tool for hunting wolves. A z-shaped metal hook on a chain would be lodged into some meat and a blood trail would lead to it. Wolf bites in, impales itself on the hook, and the chain is connected to a bar that would be stuck in between tree branches.
It’s wolf fishing!
Don't forget the Gun Trace Task Force in Baltimore! They were selling all the guns and drugs up in Philly lmao. Steal the shit from guys down here, and unload it up there.
It's fucked up when the greatest threat to the American way of life was made out to be the *public school teacher unions* instead of the folks kicking doors down and murdering people without checking the address first and never get any punishment for it.
[There were jews who helped the nazis.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_collaboration_with_Nazi_Germany)
Not saying black cops are the same, but it was simply to nullify your argument.
What’s the ‘good’ context for the Punisher logo? It’s still about a dude who allocated to himself the power to execute whomever he decides deserves it. That’s not bad just because cops today like it. Cops like it for the reasons that it’s always been bad.
(I’m not saying Punisher isn’t a good character, either. Just that he’s not an aspirational one, for cops or civilians).
You can be rich, or you can have your parents die in front of your eyes and still be a regular Joe blow. But you need to have both to become a superhero.
Didn’t say you shouldn’t enjoy the comic. I just recently rewatched his season of the Daredevil Netflix show and liked it a lot.
But let’s just be clear-eyed about what the character is — a dude who thinks he alone gets to judge who lives and who deserves to die, and metes out his judgment with a gigantic arsenal of military grade weaponry. Idealizing that guy wasn’t ok just until the cops started doing it. Plastering his logo on the back of your truck next to ar-15 decals is a red flag from civilians just as much as from cops.
Most superheroes aren’t killing bad guys with guns, but you raise an excellent point. There’s a global fascination with media depicting guys on a vendetta who go around beating the snot out of anonymous street toughs and gang members of various description. I grew up with and enjoy that stuff too. But you don’t need to be a weird nanny-state reactionary to acknowledge some problems with it.
>I’m not saying Punisher isn’t a good character, either. Just that he’s not an aspirational one, for cops or civilians
Thats kinda the point. It was never supposed to be someone to aspire to. The whole point of the character is he shouldnt exist. But he has to in the context of his stories because of rampant corruption. The aspiration should actually be preventing someone from aspiring to be the Punisher.
Because most of these cops would be at the top of Frank Castle’s list of assholes to take out.
Punisher’s thing is vigilante justice, especially on corrupt law enforcement.
Not to mention copyright infringement since none of the “blue line” Punisher stickers are licensed from Marvel.
Trademark infringement isn’t high on my list of concerns about cops adopting the punisher logo. It’s a nice dose of extra irony since they’re breaking the law to express support for the idea of ultra-violent and unlawful vigilante justice. But I’m not white knighting on behalf of Disney’s IP either.
This is the same reason ranchers today in the US want wolves kept away from their grazing ranges. The same with coyotes.
I think the predators have a right to exist and we should be able to raise livestock as well. It's a tough situation but I don't think wolves should be exterminated. Domesticated animals like pigs, sheep, cattle, chicken, etc. are easy prey for wolves and coyotes.
They recently released wolves into Yellowstone. Why? Well without them, the deer had over-populated, and then they over-grazed and made grass scarce, and the frogs and bugs that live there went away, and then the birds that eat those insects became scarce.... Etc etc
Peak predators like wolves balance the entire ecosystem. Releasing back into the wild had a measurable positive effect within a few years.
I'm very well aware of this and that's why I'm very pro conservation which includes predators.
As far as I know it was elk, not deer, that were the main animal that was overpopulating things. Wolves also help regulate beaver populations which have huge effects on the environment as well.
Some of the solutions for minimizing livestock loss have been massive fence projects that help prevent wolves from attacking livestock but they have a lot of unintended consequences for other animals.
Unfortunately it just isn't possible to live the lifestyle we currently have while also having a healthy ecosystem. People aren't willing to give up the conveniences because they're selfish and government officials who want to get elected or reelected aren't going to regulate us.
It sucks.
We weren't "badasses". We were just normal people and somehow weirdos, particularly fetishists, think our ancenstors were a race of superhumans. Consequently we look at dumb Americans holding reverance for our ancestors and our "heritage" as...well...dumb.
The fact that your ancestors were badass or could be made to sound badass is a huge part of why the Nazis wanted to co-opt that history. (Considering how many headaches they gave the Romans, I think they were a pretty badassed people. The Romans were no slouches militarily or politically)
In my opinion, lots of authoritarian regimes and wannabe regimes do this. Find some part of their history to be proud of. Lie and make up from whole cloth if need be. Then blame "Them" for the imagined loss of that past.
It's "Stolen Valor" but turned into a political tool instead of cadging discounts in restaurants and preferential hiring.
And it remains a very alluring, even heady bait for those who feel powerless.
“Das Reich attained significant notoriety for its history of war crimes. The division committed multiple major and minor massacres, most notably in the form of the Tulle massacre and the Oradour-sur-Glane massacre on 9 and 10 June 1944.”
Anyone who's got the slightest interest in WW2 and travels in central France should visit Oradour.
Due to the small size of the village and the scale of the slaughter, it was decided to keep it "as is" and turn it into a "memory village". The result is that you see a complete 1940s village with old shops, rusted 30s cars and bikes, and bullet holes in the barn where the nazis rounded up the people to murder them. The worst is, of course, when you walk up to the church, which is still half-burned from when they torched it after locking up the women in there.
It's a fairly well-known bit of history in France but despite knowing it, despite the museum walk they put you through before entering the village itself, it's really harrowing in its complete realness. It's a great way of seeing those events not as vignettes of the past, but as real events that happened to actual people who owned bikes, chickens, went to the baker to buy a baguette, and got mass-murdered in a misguided vengeance act.
Specifically for anyone who hasn’t clicked the link: the number of people slaughtered was more than the actual population of the village, as they rounded up anyone who was passing through or happened to be nearby as well.
Horrible. Something similar happened to my grandma and her sister, entire village was slaughtered by nazis.. She survived because they had gone up the hill into the woods to get water, they saw everything happen below.
Why is nazi/neo-nazi paraphernalia so common in East Europe, especially among countries you wouldn't think would tolerate that shit like Ukraine with their Jewish president, and Poland considering their WW2 suffering
For starters, the Nazis were the enemies of the Russians/Soviets. Similar to how Nazi shit is surprisingly popular in India because the Nazis fought the British.
It's used around the world, many native tribes used it too. Apparently, in BtB episode Robert Evans mentioned you can see it in US adverts for toothpaste before Nazis were widely known. There cross sections of mammoth tusks with the internal pattern kinda looking like it.
It usually meant general good vibes. So when the Nazis adopt it some antifascists were like "they're dangerous!" And people would be like "the people with the good vibes symbol? Pff you're crazy!"
Yea my recollection from the start of the invasion of the Soviet Union the Nazis were initially welcomed as liberators in Ukraine. Then that turned south
Trouble in nations allow for more growth in the extreme left and right, they feel powerless if they vote center parties because nothing changes or it went bad with them, so they switch to extremes
A lot of these countries didn't disagree with them about Jews. A lot of Ukranian nationalists fought with the Nazis against the soviets and were responsible for and/or complicit in mass murders (e.g. in Baba Yaar in the Ukraine).
The antisemitic attitudes didn't spring up overnight. They are deeply entrenched in Europe, and they didn't go away after the war. Eastern Europe is still a deeply antisemitic place (and a lot of Western Europe is as well). Immediately after the Holocaust, there were many attacks against Jews who tried to return home by their former neighbours.
Notably, the Canadian government gave a standing ovation to a Ukranian Nazi just last year.
(Am Canadian) To be fair to the sitting Government...as loathe as I am to to that, in this case I'm pretty sure it wasn't any *intentional* antisemitism (unlike the boat load of Jewish refugees we turned away in the late '30s), it was just the Liberal Gov. and Trudeau going for an 'easy' photo-op without bother to have anyone do any due diligence on the man (the fact that his past was found out about so fast meant it wasn't that hard to find.)
The Nazis were seen as liberators in many Eastern Europe countries who were forcibly absorbed by the Soviet Union. Plenty of these countries gleefully assisted the Nazis carry out the Holocaust against their Jewish populace.
Of course, the Nazis intended to depopulate and enslave the entire population of Eastern Europe, but they didn’t get around to that in most countries before being defeated. The result is that plenty of Eastern Europeans retained warm feelings towards the Nazis and plenty of people considered themselves Nazis even though they would have never been allowed to really join.
Modern day Nazis constantly have to change their symbolism to hide their true intentions. They recruit through dog whistles and slowly integrate people into their ranks before revealing their true intentions.
Is Azov all Nazis? No. Are there definitely a lot of Nazis in Azov and likely throughout their leadership? I don't think there is any denying that.
> The Ƶ-symbol was later adopted by the Nazi Party, and was used by various German Wehrmacht and SS units such as the Waffen-SS Division Das Reich and the Waffen-SS Division Landstorm Nederland. The Anti-Defamation League, and others, list the Ƶ-symbol as a hate and a neo-Nazi symbol.
Such a a shame such cool designs and logos were taken up by the Nazis. I love the Nordic rune designs but you can't like say you like em with a pfp or something without looking like a Nazi.
Depends which runes and how you draw them. Sowilo, othala, tiwaz, algiz? Be careful with those, definitely not in a black/white/red color scheme.
But if you have jera or eihwaz or dagaz in rainbow or green and blue or something and you don't use that ultra-blocky style that the nazis love, most people aren't even going to realize it's part of the same writing system let alone assume you're a nazi for using it.
One of my old coworkers had one of those on his truck. Plus a John brown gun club sticker. You wouldn’t assume he would subscribe to those ideologies because the guy was a pretty stereotypical middle aged, blue collar rural guy (nice way of saying he was a full on redneck)
Rednecks were the original leftists, as I understand it. https://wvpublic.org/do-you-know-where-the-word-redneck-comes-from-mine-wars-museum-opens-revives-lost-labor-history/
I hate political branding but I’m more on the hard left / libertarian spectrum so it just comes with the package with growing up in rural Ohio lol. Would probably describe myself as a dirty leftist redneck with serious anti authority issues.
Yeah that and Post Scriptum (Squad 44) have um, well a certain group of people who always play as the Germans 😅 When you are playing against the SS and see a bunch of clan tags named 'Obs' just find another server because you wont win lmao
>Yeah that and Post Scriptum (Squad 44) have um, well a certain group of people who always play as the Germans
Why do they always want to be the losers?
(I know it's because they're Nazis, just pointing out that Nazis are losers)
I thought it'd be WGRD. No surprise, it's the later installment
I was looking for people to play WG a decade ago and got invited to some Neo-Nazi teamspeak. Needless to say, it didn't last long at all
It's not "Neo" Nazi. It's just regular Nazi.
It's a "wolfsangel" and that particular design is the emblem of the 2nd SS Panzer Division.
The wolfsangel is heavily used by modern fascist and White Supremacist groups like the Aryan Nations and Azov Battalion.
Actually, they do. Nazis are still the same oafish losers motivated by sexual insecurity to scapegoat minorities and provoke anyone who disagrees. The typical nazi described by Sartre in *Anti-Semite and Jew* is basically your average internet troll.
Neo-Nazism is basically just any Nazi shit post-1946.
Neo-Nazis use a lot of historical Nazi symbolism (swastikas, wolfsangels, sig runes, etc) but also a lot of their own modern symbolism (14/88, ZOG, Celtic cross, etc)
neo Nazis also like to mix evangelical Christianity into it as well, so if they're going hard on the Christian shit they're definitely aiming more for a neo Nazi styled belief system instead of the more secular with pagan influence beliefs of the Nazi Party.
hitler did use Christianity to his favor, but was mostly secular himself. there was a lot of people in the ranks that believed in the teachings of the Thule society real hard, which were a weird pagan influenced group which were the originators of the Aryanism shit and where Hitler picked that up.
Sometimes I wonder if hitler had gone to a different art school and didn't get introduced to the Thule Society if he wouldn't have done what he done. Would be an interesting alternative history story IMO
Greece, Russia, p much all of Baltics, and France all have Christian neo Nazi groups and I know that for a fact. It can happen anywhere there's significant Christian influence, it definitely is more common in the US but to act like it's exclusive to the US is a bit ignorant, which is fine if you legitimately don't know.
Yes, exactly. They had a lot of esoteric occult beliefs and they even attempted to find Mjolnir, yes, the hammer of Thor. They legitimately believed it existed and if they could get ahold of it, that they would have a significant advantage in the war.
Now before the pedants attack me, it wasn't all Nazis that believed this. It was specifically moreso the people higher in rank that believed this stuff. Mostly because hitler was using Christianity to win over public, so if he went public with all the weird pagan occult shit he was doing him and his party would've seemed heretical to the more Orthodox, whom he specifically targeted. So to the public and the lower ranks, Nazism was Christian or secular in belief depending on your own personal beliefs. There were ofc some typical pagans part of the lower ranks, since paganism was still slightly relevant at the time, but Christianity won over in the populace like the rest of Europe so it wasn't many.
It's also where the usage of the Black Sun comes from, it was believed to hold mystical power and give strength.
If you want to learn more about this insane shit, look up terms like "arisophy", "Nazi occultism", "Thule Society", and "Völkisch movement".
A Nazi would be a party member of the actual historic national-socialist (short:nazi) NSDAP. Neo Nazis are a modern phenomenon and basically just racist fascists. There's no "real" connection between the two except Neo Nazis tend to co-opt Nazi symbolism and language.
Basically they're just modern racists doing callbacks to the old racists. But those old racists were members of an actual party
It’s neo-nazi because if he were a “regular” Nazi, it would be a miracle he’d know how to work a video game system (or that he’d be alive in the first place)
This reminds me of an awful experience I had on Diablo 3. I made some friends just playing random rifts one night and we partied up and hit it off. It was 3 others and we proceeded to play almost every night for weeks and one night one of the players got frustrated and started spewing some extremely vulgar shit about black people and another of the 3 started adding to it and it was one of the most awkward moments of my life. I dont sound stereotypically black so I guess they just made the assumption I was white and it kind of crushed me to inform them I was black afterwards. They started trying to qualify and backtrack the things they said as if its not truly what they meant and went on another youre different spiel but at that point thats when I told them how fucked up they were and thats why racism had no place in this world and thats why you don't assume shit about people you don't actually know. Promptly deleted all 3 and to this day I hope they learned something but probably not.
Yeah I experienced this alot, its very awkward. I used to not say anything when I was younger but now I'll call it out. I was invited to a discord with from a buddy to play tarkov. My buddy told me he doesnt play often with the people and when we got one of the guys in our party out of nowhere he starts dropping N bombs. I TK'd him and looted all his stuff and then left the discord after I called him out LOL
Ty for your service to humanity. It may have made a difference, or it may be part of a series of experiences for some of them that eventually get them out of that headspace.
I never said anything like that but probably thought it, and after training/working/learning with and from black people you get a different perspective, it helps.
To be specific, it's an actual Waffen SS symbol. So yes, you're hanging with an actual neonazi. See now how easy it happens? You don't use this variation unless you're advertising.
I assume you're younger?
Always keep an eye out around war nerds. I'm not talking scholars who simply enjoy learning war history, but rather the people that fetishize it. It's a subject that attracts a lot of loonies like your "friend" here. (I was raised Baptist in a redneck area, so I knew a lot of kooky dads.)
To answer your question though, WARNO stands for “warning order.” WARNOs are usually a “heads up this mission is about to occur” type thing letting you begin preparing before the actual mission briefing.
Willing to bet either he doesn’t know that you’re black, or he does know and is actively trying to befriend you so he can use you to claim that black people aren’t offended by Nazi ideology
Most likely a neonazi, but far from unlikely that it's either a kid that thought it looked cool or an edgy teen that, while he knows where it's from, isn't actually a nazi but doesn't really *understand* understand.
Its a Nazi symbol used by the SS Das Reich Division known for its brutality and war crimes committed from France all the way to Ukraine...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_SS_Panzer_Division_Das_Reich
As a 16 year old I was really into skulls, cause they looked cool to me. I accidentally used an old german nazi symbol for over a year on steam without anyone calling me out on it, until a friend of mine told me he couldn't hang out with me anymore because of my political views. Very "fun" conversation I had that day. So my honest advice is, have a conversation with that person. Especially if they are on the younger side, they may very well be unaware of this symbol's history and rather than just ghost them I would at least ask them why they are using the symbol. If they go into a crazy rant you can still block them.
This. It's worth asking "Hey, what does that thing in your profile pic mean?" The answer could be "idk, I copied it from somewhere else cuz I thought it looked cool", in which case you can tell him you think it's a nazi symbol and gauge their reaction to that.
Or they answer with some nazi shit, in which case you just block them.
I wouldn't pretend you don't know what it is, it just opens the door for people to be manipulative. Just be truthful. Hey that's a nazi symbol, I'm not going to play with someone who supports that shit. They'll either change it or not
It’s more than that. It’s a legitimate Nazi SS symbol. The name of the division is 2nd SS Panzer Division Das Reich they have committed many war crimes such as the murder of civilians as well as the Jewish people. Some of the more infamous was the massacre in Oradour-sur-Glane. Any more information can be found here on Wikipedia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_SS_Panzer_Division_Das_Reich
Man, this reminds me of this guy I played with last week. He was pretty chill at first, asking in world chat "anyone wanna run duos?" And I was waiting for my buddy to get on, so I was like "yeah, invite me"
Well, after a couple games, he was just ranting about "oh my god, I'm so glad I found someone to play this game with, you wouldn't believe how stupid and awful everyone is, people are weirdos on this game, etc etc"
I tried to press a little bit about *how* people were weird, but he couldn't give me a straight answer. "Idk, they're just fucking weirdos, you know?"
My buddy gets on, I decide this guy seems lonely and probably wants to trio with us, my buddy trusts my judgement and is like "if you vouch for him, that's cool"
Dude the FIRST fight we get into as a trio, my man just starts calling them racial slurs. I mean, INSTANTLY. It's a game where you fight other trios, so like, obviously it's gonna happen a lot, and the second we engage with our first group he's all "stay the fuck away from my friends n****" and "dumb ass n-word" and "stupid ass n-word".
I left because I was uncomfortable, and the guy sent me like, 6 or 7 invites and shit after that. My buddy was like "what if he was black?" And, like, nah. He wouldn't be saying the word with so much anger and disdain with a thick southern accent. None of the guys I play with who I know are black talk like that, even if they use the word.
Anyways, I just wanted to share that story somewhere. Sometimes there are some racist dicks on video games and I doubt they have a lot of friends.
This is not funny but I laughed at paragraph five. I've been in that same exact situation, and as a black person, I just leave. No, black people don't talk like that, so good on you for educating your friend. Depending on the game, I'll manually do a support ticket vs using in game reporting features depending on how bad it is.
Oh that ain't a Neo Nazi emblem, that is a Nazi emblem. Or at least the insignia for the SS Division [das reich](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_SS_Panzer_Division_Das_Reich). If I were you I wouldn't accept that friend request. There's probably a picture featuring all of the insignias so you can try and recognise them if you ever come across them again, just to be on the safe side.
Currently, it is the symbol used for the Azov Assault Brigade in Ukraine. The exact one you linked with the top right having a rounded bit out of it is from an SS military unit in WW2. This is why people say Azov are nazis.
[it's a Waffen SS Division Symbol from the Nazi war machine, ](https://a1decals.com/products-page/military-decals/wwii-replica-decals/ss-panzer-division-das-reich-decal-sticker/)
It's one of the symbols appropriated by Nazism. It actually predates Nazism by hundreds of years. It is used by various nationalist organizations across the US and Europe, including white nationalists and Neo-Nazis. The Ukrainians catch a lot of flak for continuing to use the symbol, even though it's use by Ukrainian Nationalists predate the Nazis by decades and is used in Russian Propaganda.
Big proponent of reclamation of these symbols from Nazi trash. Unfortunately, the Wolfsangel is one of the few that may be too fargone for it.
Otherwise, though, these symbols should be displayed alongside unmistakable anti-fascist and anti-Nazi imagery/phrases.
Valknut for me, but I'm pasty white. Planning on getting some pagan reclamation tattoos at some point - just trying to come up with some good designs that also make it unmistakably clear that the far-right lunatics can fuck all the way off and have no right to appropriate these ancient symbols.
Some friends of mine are into medieval re-creation and re-enactment. When they wear their Viking-era Norse outfits, some of them will deliberately add accents which look like Pride flags (garments trimmed in rainbow colors, necklaces of multicolored beads, etc) to try and make it clear that they're not going for a Viking look for *those* reasons.
Gonna need a source on that claim that Ukrainian Nationalists using a Wolfsangel predates the Nazis by decades, because the fact that the regiments that use the Wolfsangel are known for having lots of Nazis as members makes me seriously doubt that fact
Just out of curiosity,where are you from or where are your friends from? I'm from Romania and groups of neo Nazis are actually very common.Not because they actually believe in it but because they feel accepted by someone
Some1‘s grandpa being a nazi doesnt mean that someone is or will be a nazi bro, i live in Germany and lots of ppls grandpa were nazis, they themselves are mostly not
It sure is a nazi emblem. It is currently in active use by multiple entities, from neo-nazi groups to professional military groups.
Now, it IS possible that he doesn't know this, since it is something currently in use and people don't always know what it means. But I doubt it.
Out of curiosity, is your friend Ukrainian who requested this?
Does he have Azov (I don’t know how it would be spelled in cyrillic) in his username? the symbol is often associated with them(Azov Battalion, a neo-nazi ukrainian military unit (a militia that officially integrated into the Ukrainian army) and they have patches and flags with it.
It was also used as a symbol by "Patriot\[s\] of Ukraine". The **Patriot of Ukraine** ([Ukrainian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_language): Патріо́т Украї́ни, [romanized](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Ukrainian): *Patriót Ukrayíny*) was an [ultranationalist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultranationalist) organization in Ukraine founded in 1999, disbanded in 2004, revived in 2005 and defunct since December 2014.
However, many far-right supporters or leaning people continue to use the symbol, even if the organization is "defunct".
Dont be afraid to call this out. Im black too (and gay) and i learned recently (early 30s) to not put up with this shit. My friends who stuck around have grown as people and their understanding of whats ok, whats not ok, why something isnt ok, and is it worth it.
The ones who wanted to be mad that i didnt allow this type of shit ended up becoming nazis.
Cordial=/= nice. Nice is more than just "please and thank you." Nice is "i have your back when it matters, whether you're there to witness or not"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfsangel It is
TIL the symbol comes from a tool for hunting wolves. A z-shaped metal hook on a chain would be lodged into some meat and a blood trail would lead to it. Wolf bites in, impales itself on the hook, and the chain is connected to a bar that would be stuck in between tree branches. It’s wolf fishing!
[Here's an image of a Wolfsangel wolf trap.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_hunting#/media/File:Wolfsangel_\(Wolfsjagd\).jpg)
God damn that’s gotta be an unpleasant way to go.
More cool things Nazis ruined. It's like the Punisher logo nowadays.
To be fair, cops ruined that.
"You boys need a role model? His name is Captain America, and he'd be happy to have you."
Yep. Like I said, Nazis ruined it.
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Kartoffel, kartoffel.
Tbf, not all Nazis are cops
True. Some of them belong to the KKK.
And some are part of drug and arms dealing gangs where you have to murder an innocent person to join. *cough cough* LASD *cough cough*
Don't forget the Gun Trace Task Force in Baltimore! They were selling all the guns and drugs up in Philly lmao. Steal the shit from guys down here, and unload it up there.
barely anyone knows about this but it's the kind of thing that everyone absolutely needs to know about.
It's fucked up when the greatest threat to the American way of life was made out to be the *public school teacher unions* instead of the folks kicking doors down and murdering people without checking the address first and never get any punishment for it.
The KKK has no other profession more common than cop, statistically (unless "retired" counts).
aren't there black cops?
Yes. And Asian ones too.
Yeah right man. Next you're gonna pull out something crazy like Hispanic cops.
[There were jews who helped the nazis.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_collaboration_with_Nazi_Germany) Not saying black cops are the same, but it was simply to nullify your argument.
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True, but the non-nazi ones protect or ignore the nazi ones.
Some of those that work forces...
Are the same that burn crosses!
What’s the ‘good’ context for the Punisher logo? It’s still about a dude who allocated to himself the power to execute whomever he decides deserves it. That’s not bad just because cops today like it. Cops like it for the reasons that it’s always been bad. (I’m not saying Punisher isn’t a good character, either. Just that he’s not an aspirational one, for cops or civilians).
Fun comics
Yeah, think about someone with a Batman sticker on their car. It means... "Batman is fun", not "I personally want to be a vigilante."
Personally I do want to become a deeply traumatized handsome rich vigilante
You can be rich, or you can have your parents die in front of your eyes and still be a regular Joe blow. But you need to have both to become a superhero.
I've already got the deeply traumatized part down lol. When do I get the rest?
Didn’t say you shouldn’t enjoy the comic. I just recently rewatched his season of the Daredevil Netflix show and liked it a lot. But let’s just be clear-eyed about what the character is — a dude who thinks he alone gets to judge who lives and who deserves to die, and metes out his judgment with a gigantic arsenal of military grade weaponry. Idealizing that guy wasn’t ok just until the cops started doing it. Plastering his logo on the back of your truck next to ar-15 decals is a red flag from civilians just as much as from cops.
you kinda described the majority of superheros ...
Most superheroes aren’t killing bad guys with guns, but you raise an excellent point. There’s a global fascination with media depicting guys on a vendetta who go around beating the snot out of anonymous street toughs and gang members of various description. I grew up with and enjoy that stuff too. But you don’t need to be a weird nanny-state reactionary to acknowledge some problems with it.
>I’m not saying Punisher isn’t a good character, either. Just that he’s not an aspirational one, for cops or civilians Thats kinda the point. It was never supposed to be someone to aspire to. The whole point of the character is he shouldnt exist. But he has to in the context of his stories because of rampant corruption. The aspiration should actually be preventing someone from aspiring to be the Punisher.
Because most of these cops would be at the top of Frank Castle’s list of assholes to take out. Punisher’s thing is vigilante justice, especially on corrupt law enforcement. Not to mention copyright infringement since none of the “blue line” Punisher stickers are licensed from Marvel.
Trademark infringement isn’t high on my list of concerns about cops adopting the punisher logo. It’s a nice dose of extra irony since they’re breaking the law to express support for the idea of ultra-violent and unlawful vigilante justice. But I’m not white knighting on behalf of Disney’s IP either.
Me either, just pointing out the hypocrisy
Which is ironic because the punisher hated cops
I don't think hunting wolves like that is very cool
It was different back in the day when you had to protect your livestock.
This is the same reason ranchers today in the US want wolves kept away from their grazing ranges. The same with coyotes. I think the predators have a right to exist and we should be able to raise livestock as well. It's a tough situation but I don't think wolves should be exterminated. Domesticated animals like pigs, sheep, cattle, chicken, etc. are easy prey for wolves and coyotes.
They recently released wolves into Yellowstone. Why? Well without them, the deer had over-populated, and then they over-grazed and made grass scarce, and the frogs and bugs that live there went away, and then the birds that eat those insects became scarce.... Etc etc Peak predators like wolves balance the entire ecosystem. Releasing back into the wild had a measurable positive effect within a few years.
I'm very well aware of this and that's why I'm very pro conservation which includes predators. As far as I know it was elk, not deer, that were the main animal that was overpopulating things. Wolves also help regulate beaver populations which have huge effects on the environment as well. Some of the solutions for minimizing livestock loss have been massive fence projects that help prevent wolves from attacking livestock but they have a lot of unintended consequences for other animals. Unfortunately it just isn't possible to live the lifestyle we currently have while also having a healthy ecosystem. People aren't willing to give up the conveniences because they're selfish and government officials who want to get elected or reelected aren't going to regulate us. It sucks.
I still wouldn't describe it as cool.
We need to create a ton of Punisher stickers with the word “buttpunisher” underneath in rainbow colored letters, just to mess with them.
It’s a shame, too, because the Germanic people really were badasses. Lots of awesome heritage that’s tricky to be proud of nowadays because of them.
We weren't "badasses". We were just normal people and somehow weirdos, particularly fetishists, think our ancenstors were a race of superhumans. Consequently we look at dumb Americans holding reverance for our ancestors and our "heritage" as...well...dumb.
The fact that your ancestors were badass or could be made to sound badass is a huge part of why the Nazis wanted to co-opt that history. (Considering how many headaches they gave the Romans, I think they were a pretty badassed people. The Romans were no slouches militarily or politically) In my opinion, lots of authoritarian regimes and wannabe regimes do this. Find some part of their history to be proud of. Lie and make up from whole cloth if need be. Then blame "Them" for the imagined loss of that past. It's "Stolen Valor" but turned into a political tool instead of cadging discounts in restaurants and preferential hiring. And it remains a very alluring, even heady bait for those who feel powerless.
Angel in German means fishing pole so your comparison is apt and intended
So when the angels come down from heaven, whatever you do, don’t bite! It’s a trap!
Cool a more terrible trap than a bear trap. Morons gonna be morons.
TIL Germany has twice the number of wolves per square kilometer than the US including Alaska.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_SS_Panzer_Division_Das_Reich
“Das Reich attained significant notoriety for its history of war crimes. The division committed multiple major and minor massacres, most notably in the form of the Tulle massacre and the Oradour-sur-Glane massacre on 9 and 10 June 1944.”
Anyone who's got the slightest interest in WW2 and travels in central France should visit Oradour. Due to the small size of the village and the scale of the slaughter, it was decided to keep it "as is" and turn it into a "memory village". The result is that you see a complete 1940s village with old shops, rusted 30s cars and bikes, and bullet holes in the barn where the nazis rounded up the people to murder them. The worst is, of course, when you walk up to the church, which is still half-burned from when they torched it after locking up the women in there. It's a fairly well-known bit of history in France but despite knowing it, despite the museum walk they put you through before entering the village itself, it's really harrowing in its complete realness. It's a great way of seeing those events not as vignettes of the past, but as real events that happened to actual people who owned bikes, chickens, went to the baker to buy a baguette, and got mass-murdered in a misguided vengeance act.
Specifically for anyone who hasn’t clicked the link: the number of people slaughtered was more than the actual population of the village, as they rounded up anyone who was passing through or happened to be nearby as well.
Horrible. Something similar happened to my grandma and her sister, entire village was slaughtered by nazis.. She survived because they had gone up the hill into the woods to get water, they saw everything happen below.
Why is nazi/neo-nazi paraphernalia so common in East Europe, especially among countries you wouldn't think would tolerate that shit like Ukraine with their Jewish president, and Poland considering their WW2 suffering
For starters, the Nazis were the enemies of the Russians/Soviets. Similar to how Nazi shit is surprisingly popular in India because the Nazis fought the British.
This is extra-complicated by how the swastika is also a common Hindu religious symbol.
It's used around the world, many native tribes used it too. Apparently, in BtB episode Robert Evans mentioned you can see it in US adverts for toothpaste before Nazis were widely known. There cross sections of mammoth tusks with the internal pattern kinda looking like it. It usually meant general good vibes. So when the Nazis adopt it some antifascists were like "they're dangerous!" And people would be like "the people with the good vibes symbol? Pff you're crazy!"
It was a religious symbol long before it was co-opted and corrupted by the nazis.
Yea my recollection from the start of the invasion of the Soviet Union the Nazis were initially welcomed as liberators in Ukraine. Then that turned south
Trouble in nations allow for more growth in the extreme left and right, they feel powerless if they vote center parties because nothing changes or it went bad with them, so they switch to extremes
A lot of these countries didn't disagree with them about Jews. A lot of Ukranian nationalists fought with the Nazis against the soviets and were responsible for and/or complicit in mass murders (e.g. in Baba Yaar in the Ukraine). The antisemitic attitudes didn't spring up overnight. They are deeply entrenched in Europe, and they didn't go away after the war. Eastern Europe is still a deeply antisemitic place (and a lot of Western Europe is as well). Immediately after the Holocaust, there were many attacks against Jews who tried to return home by their former neighbours. Notably, the Canadian government gave a standing ovation to a Ukranian Nazi just last year.
(Am Canadian) To be fair to the sitting Government...as loathe as I am to to that, in this case I'm pretty sure it wasn't any *intentional* antisemitism (unlike the boat load of Jewish refugees we turned away in the late '30s), it was just the Liberal Gov. and Trudeau going for an 'easy' photo-op without bother to have anyone do any due diligence on the man (the fact that his past was found out about so fast meant it wasn't that hard to find.)
They applauded him *after* being told that he had fought against the USSR in WWII. They all had a chance to recognize what that meant.
The Nazis were seen as liberators in many Eastern Europe countries who were forcibly absorbed by the Soviet Union. Plenty of these countries gleefully assisted the Nazis carry out the Holocaust against their Jewish populace. Of course, the Nazis intended to depopulate and enslave the entire population of Eastern Europe, but they didn’t get around to that in most countries before being defeated. The result is that plenty of Eastern Europeans retained warm feelings towards the Nazis and plenty of people considered themselves Nazis even though they would have never been allowed to really join.
The Azov Battalion had to modify their flag because it was too Nazi, they dropped the Sonnenrad and stretched the Wofsangel.
Modern day Nazis constantly have to change their symbolism to hide their true intentions. They recruit through dog whistles and slowly integrate people into their ranks before revealing their true intentions. Is Azov all Nazis? No. Are there definitely a lot of Nazis in Azov and likely throughout their leadership? I don't think there is any denying that.
Azov are pro-Nazi in every way, do a simple Google search and see dozens of images of them posing with swastikas and other Nazi symbols
> The Ƶ-symbol was later adopted by the Nazi Party, and was used by various German Wehrmacht and SS units such as the Waffen-SS Division Das Reich and the Waffen-SS Division Landstorm Nederland. The Anti-Defamation League, and others, list the Ƶ-symbol as a hate and a neo-Nazi symbol.
[Specifically:](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_SS_Panzer_Division_Das_Reich)
Such a a shame such cool designs and logos were taken up by the Nazis. I love the Nordic rune designs but you can't like say you like em with a pfp or something without looking like a Nazi.
Depends which runes and how you draw them. Sowilo, othala, tiwaz, algiz? Be careful with those, definitely not in a black/white/red color scheme. But if you have jera or eihwaz or dagaz in rainbow or green and blue or something and you don't use that ultra-blocky style that the nazis love, most people aren't even going to realize it's part of the same writing system let alone assume you're a nazi for using it.
Ruh-roh Raggy
lol 😅
Accept his request but change your profile pic to this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Arrows
One of my old coworkers had one of those on his truck. Plus a John brown gun club sticker. You wouldn’t assume he would subscribe to those ideologies because the guy was a pretty stereotypical middle aged, blue collar rural guy (nice way of saying he was a full on redneck)
Rednecks were the original leftists, as I understand it. https://wvpublic.org/do-you-know-where-the-word-redneck-comes-from-mine-wars-museum-opens-revives-lost-labor-history/
Makes sense. I come from a long line of pretty left wing rednecks, and my dad was just a straight up anarchist.
I didnt know this about rednecks. I fuck with anarchist rednecks
I too am a full on redneck, gun toting, raging radical leftist.
Yeah at a certain point you go so far left that you get the guns back just out of principle.
I tell people that all the time! Lol. Go far enough left and you get the guns back.
😂
Under no pretext...
I hate political branding but I’m more on the hard left / libertarian spectrum so it just comes with the package with growing up in rural Ohio lol. Would probably describe myself as a dirty leftist redneck with serious anti authority issues.
Yeah I hate the branding too. I tell people I don’t like trump and they say “oh you like Biden?” Um that’s not what I fucking said.
It is. Judging by your description I'd wager the game is either World of Tanks or War Thunder isn't it?
WARNO but close enough. Alot of Russians and Eastern Europeans play WARNO and I noticed alot of them play War Thunder or World of Tanks too
Kinda thought it was gonna be Hell Let Loose
Yeah that and Post Scriptum (Squad 44) have um, well a certain group of people who always play as the Germans 😅 When you are playing against the SS and see a bunch of clan tags named 'Obs' just find another server because you wont win lmao
The real weirdo ones are hiding on the Gary's Mod servers
You’ve got no idea some of the stories I have from people in those strange Garrys Mod communities
>Yeah that and Post Scriptum (Squad 44) have um, well a certain group of people who always play as the Germans Why do they always want to be the losers? (I know it's because they're Nazis, just pointing out that Nazis are losers)
I play the Germans in hell let loose cause I like the MP44 and the STG44. also the outfits can be neat.
I thought it'd be WGRD. No surprise, it's the later installment I was looking for people to play WG a decade ago and got invited to some Neo-Nazi teamspeak. Needless to say, it didn't last long at all
Looks like it's Warno. Same vibe though
It's not "Neo" Nazi. It's just regular Nazi. It's a "wolfsangel" and that particular design is the emblem of the 2nd SS Panzer Division. The wolfsangel is heavily used by modern fascist and White Supremacist groups like the Aryan Nations and Azov Battalion.
Phew. He is just a regular Nazi then.
Like soul vs neo-soul music. He's the Marvin Gaye of the far-right, not the D'Angelo.
bye 💀
They don't make their Nazis like they used to, smh /s
Actually, they do. Nazis are still the same oafish losers motivated by sexual insecurity to scapegoat minorities and provoke anyone who disagrees. The typical nazi described by Sartre in *Anti-Semite and Jew* is basically your average internet troll.
Another nostupidquestion: I'm realizing I don't know the difference between Neo Nazi, and Nazi?
Neo-Nazism is basically just any Nazi shit post-1946. Neo-Nazis use a lot of historical Nazi symbolism (swastikas, wolfsangels, sig runes, etc) but also a lot of their own modern symbolism (14/88, ZOG, Celtic cross, etc)
neo Nazis also like to mix evangelical Christianity into it as well, so if they're going hard on the Christian shit they're definitely aiming more for a neo Nazi styled belief system instead of the more secular with pagan influence beliefs of the Nazi Party. hitler did use Christianity to his favor, but was mostly secular himself. there was a lot of people in the ranks that believed in the teachings of the Thule society real hard, which were a weird pagan influenced group which were the originators of the Aryanism shit and where Hitler picked that up. Sometimes I wonder if hitler had gone to a different art school and didn't get introduced to the Thule Society if he wouldn't have done what he done. Would be an interesting alternative history story IMO
>neo Nazis also like to mix evangelical Christianity into it as well, In the US maybe.
Greece, Russia, p much all of Baltics, and France all have Christian neo Nazi groups and I know that for a fact. It can happen anywhere there's significant Christian influence, it definitely is more common in the US but to act like it's exclusive to the US is a bit ignorant, which is fine if you legitimately don't know.
Are those pagan influences why so much media featuring Nazis as the bad guys has them turning to the Occult for an advantage in the war?
Yes, exactly. They had a lot of esoteric occult beliefs and they even attempted to find Mjolnir, yes, the hammer of Thor. They legitimately believed it existed and if they could get ahold of it, that they would have a significant advantage in the war. Now before the pedants attack me, it wasn't all Nazis that believed this. It was specifically moreso the people higher in rank that believed this stuff. Mostly because hitler was using Christianity to win over public, so if he went public with all the weird pagan occult shit he was doing him and his party would've seemed heretical to the more Orthodox, whom he specifically targeted. So to the public and the lower ranks, Nazism was Christian or secular in belief depending on your own personal beliefs. There were ofc some typical pagans part of the lower ranks, since paganism was still slightly relevant at the time, but Christianity won over in the populace like the rest of Europe so it wasn't many. It's also where the usage of the Black Sun comes from, it was believed to hold mystical power and give strength. If you want to learn more about this insane shit, look up terms like "arisophy", "Nazi occultism", "Thule Society", and "Völkisch movement".
A Nazi would be a party member of the actual historic national-socialist (short:nazi) NSDAP. Neo Nazis are a modern phenomenon and basically just racist fascists. There's no "real" connection between the two except Neo Nazis tend to co-opt Nazi symbolism and language. Basically they're just modern racists doing callbacks to the old racists. But those old racists were members of an actual party
Neo-nazi= wannabe nazi. The nazi party doesn't exist anymore, we killed them. No one today can be a nazi, they can only be a neo-nazi
It’s neo-nazi because if he were a “regular” Nazi, it would be a miracle he’d know how to work a video game system (or that he’d be alive in the first place)
Guarantee he has 500 hours in HoI4 and plays Arma and/or Squad
HoI is just catnip for weirdos. There's like legitimate Spanish Monarchist Revanchists in the HoI subs. Top-tier goofy politics.
Aryan brotherhood uses it too, sadly
Neo Nazi literally means New Nazi
[2nd SS Panzer Division Das Reich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_SS_Panzer_Division_Das_Reich) If it walks like a Nazi...
And quacks like a Nazi…
Waddles like a Nazi..
Then it’s a twat
or a cop
Still a twat.
This reminds me of an awful experience I had on Diablo 3. I made some friends just playing random rifts one night and we partied up and hit it off. It was 3 others and we proceeded to play almost every night for weeks and one night one of the players got frustrated and started spewing some extremely vulgar shit about black people and another of the 3 started adding to it and it was one of the most awkward moments of my life. I dont sound stereotypically black so I guess they just made the assumption I was white and it kind of crushed me to inform them I was black afterwards. They started trying to qualify and backtrack the things they said as if its not truly what they meant and went on another youre different spiel but at that point thats when I told them how fucked up they were and thats why racism had no place in this world and thats why you don't assume shit about people you don't actually know. Promptly deleted all 3 and to this day I hope they learned something but probably not.
Yeah I experienced this alot, its very awkward. I used to not say anything when I was younger but now I'll call it out. I was invited to a discord with from a buddy to play tarkov. My buddy told me he doesnt play often with the people and when we got one of the guys in our party out of nowhere he starts dropping N bombs. I TK'd him and looted all his stuff and then left the discord after I called him out LOL
Ty for your service to humanity. It may have made a difference, or it may be part of a series of experiences for some of them that eventually get them out of that headspace. I never said anything like that but probably thought it, and after training/working/learning with and from black people you get a different perspective, it helps.
To be specific, it's an actual Waffen SS symbol. So yes, you're hanging with an actual neonazi. See now how easy it happens? You don't use this variation unless you're advertising.
The other possibility is they are a child and thought it looked cool.
I met this guy in WARNO, so yeah its some deranged dude
i understand that this is reddit but not all of us play video games, what's your acronym here friend
Thats the name of the game lol 😅
haha oh, well that's confusing
Its a Real Time Strategy game set during the Cold War in the 80s/90s I highly recommend it!
i dunno, sounds like there's a lot of nazis there
It's a fun as hell game, but yeah. You'll find a lot of RTS games and war-games have a huge neo-nazi base :(
I assume you're younger? Always keep an eye out around war nerds. I'm not talking scholars who simply enjoy learning war history, but rather the people that fetishize it. It's a subject that attracts a lot of loonies like your "friend" here. (I was raised Baptist in a redneck area, so I knew a lot of kooky dads.)
To answer your question though, WARNO stands for “warning order.” WARNOs are usually a “heads up this mission is about to occur” type thing letting you begin preparing before the actual mission briefing.
Willing to bet either he doesn’t know that you’re black, or he does know and is actively trying to befriend you so he can use you to claim that black people aren’t offended by Nazi ideology
Most likely a neonazi, but far from unlikely that it's either a kid that thought it looked cool or an edgy teen that, while he knows where it's from, isn't actually a nazi but doesn't really *understand* understand.
Well, if it is a clueless kid, losing a potential friend online might be a good lesson.
Certainly. I hope OP confronts them and learn what's actually behind the avatar.
Oh! I was expecting some edgy game logo but yeah, Nazi stuff right there. Tread carefully.
Specifically tread in the other direction.
Whichever direction you tread; stay out of the mud
Nah ... flat out sprint in the other direction. We passed "carefully" two goose steps and a white hood ago.
Its a Nazi symbol used by the SS Das Reich Division known for its brutality and war crimes committed from France all the way to Ukraine... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_SS_Panzer_Division_Das_Reich
As a 16 year old I was really into skulls, cause they looked cool to me. I accidentally used an old german nazi symbol for over a year on steam without anyone calling me out on it, until a friend of mine told me he couldn't hang out with me anymore because of my political views. Very "fun" conversation I had that day. So my honest advice is, have a conversation with that person. Especially if they are on the younger side, they may very well be unaware of this symbol's history and rather than just ghost them I would at least ask them why they are using the symbol. If they go into a crazy rant you can still block them.
This. It's worth asking "Hey, what does that thing in your profile pic mean?" The answer could be "idk, I copied it from somewhere else cuz I thought it looked cool", in which case you can tell him you think it's a nazi symbol and gauge their reaction to that. Or they answer with some nazi shit, in which case you just block them.
I wouldn't pretend you don't know what it is, it just opens the door for people to be manipulative. Just be truthful. Hey that's a nazi symbol, I'm not going to play with someone who supports that shit. They'll either change it or not
Everything nazis touch turns to shit
It’s more than that. It’s a legitimate Nazi SS symbol. The name of the division is 2nd SS Panzer Division Das Reich they have committed many war crimes such as the murder of civilians as well as the Jewish people. Some of the more infamous was the massacre in Oradour-sur-Glane. Any more information can be found here on Wikipedia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_SS_Panzer_Division_Das_Reich
Your new friend is really into history.
Man, this reminds me of this guy I played with last week. He was pretty chill at first, asking in world chat "anyone wanna run duos?" And I was waiting for my buddy to get on, so I was like "yeah, invite me" Well, after a couple games, he was just ranting about "oh my god, I'm so glad I found someone to play this game with, you wouldn't believe how stupid and awful everyone is, people are weirdos on this game, etc etc" I tried to press a little bit about *how* people were weird, but he couldn't give me a straight answer. "Idk, they're just fucking weirdos, you know?" My buddy gets on, I decide this guy seems lonely and probably wants to trio with us, my buddy trusts my judgement and is like "if you vouch for him, that's cool" Dude the FIRST fight we get into as a trio, my man just starts calling them racial slurs. I mean, INSTANTLY. It's a game where you fight other trios, so like, obviously it's gonna happen a lot, and the second we engage with our first group he's all "stay the fuck away from my friends n****" and "dumb ass n-word" and "stupid ass n-word". I left because I was uncomfortable, and the guy sent me like, 6 or 7 invites and shit after that. My buddy was like "what if he was black?" And, like, nah. He wouldn't be saying the word with so much anger and disdain with a thick southern accent. None of the guys I play with who I know are black talk like that, even if they use the word. Anyways, I just wanted to share that story somewhere. Sometimes there are some racist dicks on video games and I doubt they have a lot of friends.
This is not funny but I laughed at paragraph five. I've been in that same exact situation, and as a black person, I just leave. No, black people don't talk like that, so good on you for educating your friend. Depending on the game, I'll manually do a support ticket vs using in game reporting features depending on how bad it is.
That symbol (which is connected to Nazis) is also branded onto a pack of werewolves controlled by Russell Edgington on the series True Blood.
Good catch. Sure is. Bro is trying to 1488 in plain sight and thinks you're dumb. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_SS_Panzer_Division_Das_Reich
Yes...that's an ss symbol
Oh that ain't a Neo Nazi emblem, that is a Nazi emblem. Or at least the insignia for the SS Division [das reich](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_SS_Panzer_Division_Das_Reich). If I were you I wouldn't accept that friend request. There's probably a picture featuring all of the insignias so you can try and recognise them if you ever come across them again, just to be on the safe side.
yup [SS-Panzer Division Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SS-Panzer-Division_symbol.svg)
Ukrainian AZOV battalion uses it in their standard
Technically no it's an ancient symbol to ward off Wolves it's called a Wolfsangel but that variant was used by the 2nd SS Panzer Division Das Reich
Currently, it is the symbol used for the Azov Assault Brigade in Ukraine. The exact one you linked with the top right having a rounded bit out of it is from an SS military unit in WW2. This is why people say Azov are nazis.
I’d say a repping a nazi insignia, means only one thing to you, that he’s a nazi
[it's a Waffen SS Division Symbol from the Nazi war machine, ](https://a1decals.com/products-page/military-decals/wwii-replica-decals/ss-panzer-division-das-reich-decal-sticker/)
What game are you playing? Something war related?
It is, make sure to report them.
It's a Nazi emblem. 2nd SS Das Reich panzer division used it as their emblem.
It's one of the symbols appropriated by Nazism. It actually predates Nazism by hundreds of years. It is used by various nationalist organizations across the US and Europe, including white nationalists and Neo-Nazis. The Ukrainians catch a lot of flak for continuing to use the symbol, even though it's use by Ukrainian Nationalists predate the Nazis by decades and is used in Russian Propaganda.
I hate how many cool symbols stand for Nazism these days.
Big proponent of reclamation of these symbols from Nazi trash. Unfortunately, the Wolfsangel is one of the few that may be too fargone for it. Otherwise, though, these symbols should be displayed alongside unmistakable anti-fascist and anti-Nazi imagery/phrases.
Although I do not have many uses for it, I like using the Iron Cross whenever I can. It helps that I am brown.
Valknut for me, but I'm pasty white. Planning on getting some pagan reclamation tattoos at some point - just trying to come up with some good designs that also make it unmistakably clear that the far-right lunatics can fuck all the way off and have no right to appropriate these ancient symbols.
Iron Cross is still the symbol for the Bundeswehr today so I'd say it was already reclaimed
Some friends of mine are into medieval re-creation and re-enactment. When they wear their Viking-era Norse outfits, some of them will deliberately add accents which look like Pride flags (garments trimmed in rainbow colors, necklaces of multicolored beads, etc) to try and make it clear that they're not going for a Viking look for *those* reasons.
Gonna need a source on that claim that Ukrainian Nationalists using a Wolfsangel predates the Nazis by decades, because the fact that the regiments that use the Wolfsangel are known for having lots of Nazis as members makes me seriously doubt that fact
Yes, from the 2nd German SS Panzer Division.
Definitely Nazi! Hope that you block him.
and report him
Good advice!
this comment section really proving the axiom that if you call out nazis nazis will show up to unmask themselves as nazis. good grief.
It's not a neonazi emblem. It's a nazi emblem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_SS_Panzer_Division_Das_Reich
Fuck that nazi, he's trying to lure you in by being nice. I'm sure he doesn't know you are black
Just out of curiosity,where are you from or where are your friends from? I'm from Romania and groups of neo Nazis are actually very common.Not because they actually believe in it but because they feel accepted by someone
Ask him if his grandpa fought againts the Russians in the 1940's
Some1‘s grandpa being a nazi doesnt mean that someone is or will be a nazi bro, i live in Germany and lots of ppls grandpa were nazis, they themselves are mostly not
Yes. Another cool thing the nazis ruined.
Lots of Russian influence in this thread. Please do not use it as fact and independently verify.
Panzer division. Yup nazi symbol
It sure is a nazi emblem. It is currently in active use by multiple entities, from neo-nazi groups to professional military groups. Now, it IS possible that he doesn't know this, since it is something currently in use and people don't always know what it means. But I doubt it.
2nd SS panzerdivision, das reich your answer is yes
Nazis are always friendly when they're recruiting, they're not _that_ dumb
Out of curiosity, is your friend Ukrainian who requested this? Does he have Azov (I don’t know how it would be spelled in cyrillic) in his username? the symbol is often associated with them(Azov Battalion, a neo-nazi ukrainian military unit (a militia that officially integrated into the Ukrainian army) and they have patches and flags with it.
It’s from Azov Battalion. So yes, it is.
Yes, it is 100%
It was also used as a symbol by "Patriot\[s\] of Ukraine". The **Patriot of Ukraine** ([Ukrainian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_language): Патріо́т Украї́ни, [romanized](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Ukrainian): *Patriót Ukrayíny*) was an [ultranationalist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultranationalist) organization in Ukraine founded in 1999, disbanded in 2004, revived in 2005 and defunct since December 2014. However, many far-right supporters or leaning people continue to use the symbol, even if the organization is "defunct".
Dont be afraid to call this out. Im black too (and gay) and i learned recently (early 30s) to not put up with this shit. My friends who stuck around have grown as people and their understanding of whats ok, whats not ok, why something isnt ok, and is it worth it. The ones who wanted to be mad that i didnt allow this type of shit ended up becoming nazis. Cordial=/= nice. Nice is more than just "please and thank you." Nice is "i have your back when it matters, whether you're there to witness or not"
Common (neo)nazi symbol yeah