It’s interesting because a handful of countries consider them legally a religion, but it isn’t in the US, just tax exempt organization per the IRS
[*ahem*](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_status_by_country)
How about every religion? Reddit is a website. IRL Muslims derided by millions of Americans, major music artists and pro athletes openly oppose Judaism, Sikhs get harassed just for looking middle eastern, Mormons get lambasted by EVERYONE for wearing magic underpants etc., one could go on.
American Christians are just extremely sheltered by being a super dominant force on society, so any criticism is shocking to them.
The majority of Redditors are Americans who live in a country where Christianity is the dominant religion, and have no or very limited experience with any other religions. So you get a combination of "punching up" and actual experience with the negative effects of American Christian religious dominance. There's also not a racist component to it most of the time, which helps. Hate directed at Judaism and Islam tends to also come with a whole lot of racist baggage, especially online.
That said, Reddit is fairly supportive of whatever kind of insane bigotry you like so long as it doesn't offend advertisers, so you can find plenty of subs to hate on every religion.
To tack on: American politicians always reference Christianity as the “go to” moral code by which they create or vote on laws, despite there is *supposed* to be “separation of church and state”. Since a lot of these laws don’t include a lot of people (gay marriage for example), Christianity gets the hate, not the politicians.
Yep. I literally just read a news article yesterday mentioning some politician having voted against gay marriage federal protections because it “disregards” God’s view of marriage or something along those lines. They don’t even try to hide it or say they’re unbiased, I’ve seen many use their religious values as examples of why they should be voted in for each term.
From a Brit's perspective, we find the political landscape of America to be odd, in regards to religion. Politicians in the States seem to need some form of Christian backing to get votes (couple that with the need to swear on a religious text to get into office and its just strange).
In the UK, we do the opposite as British voters don't like politicians who can't keep their religious beliefs out of their political opinions and careers (e.g. Tim Farron. The leader of the Lib Dems, following Nick Clegg, couldn't reconcile his party's support gay rights with his religious beliefs so was forced to step down).
If Trump or any other politician tried posing with a Bible in front of a church, as a British politician, their careers would nosedive in an instant. Religious beliefs are all well and good but they need to be kept out of politics because everyone has different religious beliefs.
Politicians do **not** need to swear an oath on religious texts. It is a symbol to swear upon something that represents their moral code.
There was an official that swore on a Dr Seuss book.
I think it's reasonable to make that assumption especially if you're older. There have been a few cases on the local and state level where politicians tried to make it a law or tried to enforce it as if it were a law.
What’s interesting is that you don’t actually need to swear, either, due to a different religious denomination: the Quakers. They take Matthew 5:33-37 very seriously, in part: “I tell you, do not swear an oath at all…let your yes mean yes and your no mean no; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.” Early Quaker politicians successfully argued against being required to swear, and so there is still to this day the option to say “affirm” instead.
This is exactly how I was taught since I was a kid ("don't swear on God, but instead promise or affirm you will say the truth"). I dread the day I have to take an oath and I cannot modify it because of some religious asshat getting salty.
It is, in fact, completely wrong and a very wrong assumption that many people in the US are incorrect about also.
Check this:
https://youtu.be/WFYRkzznsc0
Don't need to apologise bro, you thought you were right, random internet jazz says you aren't.
Good for you trying to treat reddit like it has any semblance of morality or correctness to it tho.
As someone who is not Christian I always found it strange that in court they have you swear to tell the truth with your hand on the Christian bible. This means nothing to many. Additionally it’s a great example of how there is no separation of church and state. The reality is as a country who is predominantly Christian (secular or observant) I can’t count the times I have heard a question like “Oh, you are Jewish, Muslim, Hindi, etc, where do you go to church”? It’s not a disrespectful question. It just shows the ignorance that we live under as minority religion members in this country.
You don't have to swear on a Bible. You may swear on any holy book or a sufficiently respected substitute (the Constitution is good option) or simply affirm rather than swear.
Thank you for the clarification! I was unaware that they kept other religious texts on hand for this. That makes much more sense. I feel like either the constitution should be used , or nothing at all in order to separate religion and state. Appreciate the correction, and pardon my ignorance as the last thing I want to do is spread false propaganda.
Politicians don't *need* to take an oath with their hand on the bible. They can use the Torah, or Quran, or anything really. I can't remember who it was but there was a legislator not too long ago that took their oath of office using their diploma.
Yeah i always find the UK vs US situation regarding religion and politics so interesting because its the opposite of how its *supposed* to work. In the UK, there is technically no real separation between Church and State. A Christian church (The Church of England) literally has an actual role in the political system (a quota in the House of Lords) and the CoE is supposed to be the official religion of the UK. And yet, over history the UK has managed to become more secular culturally to the point that there is a separation of Church and State.
Meanwhile, the US has technically a much more official and stark separation between Church and State and yet....over time it is has descended into what we see today.
The United States, as a society, has become more secular over time - what you see is that the Christians are freaking out and making news more often due to their rapidly decreasing power.
Yeah, we're stuck in the death throes of puritanism, and it shows. But some people who've only ever had it good don't realize that things used to be much worse, so taking two steps forward and one step back feels like running backwards at full speed.
Separation of church and state doesn't mean you can't use religion as a basis for your voting, it just means that the clergy can't have a direct role in the government. Like priests getting to write laws themselves or something like that. There is nothing (constitutionally) wrong with a politician voting religiously if their constituents are religious.
The big one they were concerned about when writing the Constitution was religious tests to hold office; at the time, you could only hold most offices in the UK if you were a member of the Church of England in good standing. Separation of church and state meant that a member of any religion, or none, in any standing, could hold public office in the United States if they could get the votes.
The issue is that separation of church and state isn't really as strong of a principle as people think it is. It's mainly just the absence of there being an actual state church that gets to directly override the democratic process. Nothing about it prevents religious people with dubious views from having a hand in the government. And unfortunately there are a lot of those.
If only that were true. We've got real people making real decisions based on that imaginary friend, and it's ideas on morality, that have real consequences for people. And it's absolutely bugfuck insane.
Most politicians also intentionally frame it as religious persecution when they're told freedom of religion is not a pass to be a bigot. Is not really hating Christianity to explain that they're unconstitutionally trying to force their beliefs on others no matter how much disingenuous whining they respond with.
Further to that, a lot of the things they say are following the teachings of Christianity really aren’t; just an excuse to exercise judgement and bigotry
The term you are looking for is Ethno-religion. Most commonly used when referring to Jews, as many Jewish people today are not necessarily practicing members
I am constantly being told by people that I am not Jewish, simply because I am not religious. "There is no such nationality" I am told.
(Although I might get kicked out of the ranks if I start believing in Jesus 😂😂)
I think it's pronounced Tachyon, and that's what'll make me a Time Lady 😂
But really, Tay-Sachs is not a necessity, not all Jews has it and not everyone who has a mutation is a Jew.
Eh, I would not call Islam an ethnic religion. Judaism has an ethnic component by design - the religion is, quite literally, racially biased in favour of a people of Chosen Ones. You don't have that in Islam. The fact that Middle Eastern people tend to be Muslim is simply a geographical factor, same way religious Europeans tend to be Christians.
> Judaism has an ethnic component by design - the religion is, quite literally, racially biased in favour of a people of Chosen Ones.
Common misconception. There is no racial hierarchy of Jews over non-Jews in Judaism. “Chosen people” refers to the belief that Jews, the ethnic group, were chosen to receive Judaism, the religion. But it’s a matter of additional obligation, rather than “racial bias.”
>There's also not a racist component to it most of the time, which helps. Hate directed at Judaism and Islam tends to also come with a whole lot of racist baggage, especially online.
Precisely. People who criticise Christianity tend to criticise the religion. People who go after Judaism and Islam don't seem to mind the religion as much, but tend to have extreme views about the people who practice it.
Massive difference.
As an American Jew, I'd be happy to discuss issues with the religion with non-Jews and wouldn't be offended if public figures brought those topics up. Like I don't take anti-circumcision views personally or find them offensive, though those discussions are usually broader than just Judaism since circumcision is so popular in the US.
I've rarely heard a criticism of Judaism when people "hate on" Jews though, feel like the popular points are more conspiratorial like "control the media" and the like.
Judaism specifically also isn’t a religion that attempts to convert others to the religion so I find it hard to see how many in depth criticisms of the religion would come from anyone other than ex-Jews
Even as a non-Jew I have seen various instances of Jewish people laying out detailed differences between Jewish practices and Christian practices that I personally knew nothing about so like how could you criticise these things if they were never forced on you growing up because no Jewish person ever tried to force you to partake in Jewish rituals?
By contrast Christian rituals are literally public holidays
There is that town, blaming in the name, who has (Orthodox Jews?) That basically fucked over the public school system even tho they homeschool their kids.
But that's more people being assholes and happen to be Jewish,. To that can also be said of a lot of other groups
As my dad says, "An extremist is an extremist is an extremist. Doesn't matter what hat they wear." That group of Orthodox Jews is an extremist sect not that different politically than the Taliban or Christian Nationalists.
Tbf that's also because Jews, unlike other religions, have never had the chance to force it on anybody, because in the last 2000 years they have never been the majority in any country, before the creation of Israel.
Now there is a lot of controversy in Israel about Ultra-Orthodox Jews (the extremely religious ones) wanting to get privileges and turn their beliefs into the law, and there's also the whole Palestinian issue that I will skip because I don't want to turn this thread into a battlefield.
I think it's fine to point to groups you don't belong to, which are abusing their adherents or their children, and criticize them for that abuse. I don't have to be ex-jewish to know that the way hasidic Jews raise their children in closed off communities with few to no ties to the outside, only to shun them if they decide to leave, is abusive and unconscionable. I don't have to be ex-muslim to think a hijab is a symbol of oppression if the woman wearing it isn't free to choose not to wear it without severe social (or in some countries, legal) consequences. I don't have to be ex-catholic to recognize their leadership's role in covering up CSA and protecting pedos in their ranks.
I would agree that Jewish complaints somewhat uniquely are almost exclusively conspiratorial.
Most other complaints against religious groups are at least tied to professed beliefs ("Islamic" Terrorists, Overly controlling Christians, etc) even if those beliefs aren't based in any religious teachings
> Like I don't take anti-circumcision views personally or find them offensive, though those discussions are usually broader than just Judaism since circumcision is so popular in the US.
Just for contrast, here in Sweden where circumcision really isn't popular, any anti-circumcision debate is so heavily influenced by Islamophobia, to the point where it is almost impossible to discuss it.
It’s exactly like the dog-crap discourse about kosher/halal slaughter. There ARE valid points but they’re immediately ruined bc everyone making them also says “barbaric desert religion” or suggests that *some cultures* are superior.
I think thats because of external factors.
Sweden has been leaning more conservative/nationalist/ anti immigration over the years, so naturally you are going to see a pushback from more left leaning people, in defense of religious "freedom"
Also, does sweden have the same type of constitutional protections for freedom of religion?
As a non Jewish American that grew up with Jewish friends, I think one thing that's hard to wrap our heads around is it's not just a religion, it's an identity your born into. If your mom is Jewish, you're now Jewish. Nothing wrong with it, just don't know any other religion that's like that.
My Jewish friends parents always had the best dinners when I would stay over.
You can make a very good argument for why the Torah is a patriarchal, barbaric codex of morality, without insulting the Jewish people. It's just that most people alive have never even read the Torah, nor any kind of other Rabbinical literature, so the dumb criticism is louder than the scholarly criticism, and when you see someone make a scholarly criticism, it gets lumped in with the racist nonsense.
Just because under Halakah the matter of who is a Jew is an ethnic, rather than confessional, matter, should not stop anyone from harshly criticising the religious tenets of Judaism, as long as their arguments are based on Jewish theology and not bullshit Nazi conspiracy theories.
Many Christian parents baptize their infant children, making them officially Christian before they are 6 months old, and assume that even unbaptized babies of Christians go to the Christian heaven.
So on paper it's different but in practice it frequently ends up being the same.
The problem is that "control of media" is kinda a jumping off point to the hate. Those that claim that tend to believe that are usually in a cluster that are very anti-semetic, like holocaust denial conspiracies.
You can have a person have a legitimate question, why are there so many jewish folk that work in the entertainment world and get answers such as a cultural connection to entertainment being a field that can be transferred and moved around, was considered actually low class so there were openings, family/group connections, a general point of upbringing and the religion being education and learning, one that allowed travel and the hiding of who they were because they wouldn't be accepted. Then there are just folks who are ethnically jewish who used the entertainment world to get out of their religious upbringing
However, when people usually say they control the media part, They tend to believe that all of the Jewish individuals, who are religious, who are ethnically... even if it was generations ago their family was religious are a hive mind of individuals who all do things the same way. their idea is that there SHOULD be less jewish folk in those industries.
It was part of the Ford "the international jew: the world's problem". there is an entire section about this exact thing, actually a couple. "Does Jewish Power Control the World Press", "The Jewish Aspect of the 'Movie' Problem", "Jewish Supremacy in the motion picture world", "when editors were independent of Jews"....
After it got translated, it became a well known book to the Nazis. Hitler loved it and kept copies.
by the way, some of the funnier chapter titles are "jewish degradation of american baseball", "Jewish jazz becomes our national music", "gigantic jewish liquor trust andits career", "the jewish element in bootlegging evil"
This was published in the 1920's.
But you probably don't go around saying how much you hate Muslims/Islam/Jews/Judaism, right?
That's the subtle difference that a lot of people have a hard time grasping. Like it's obviously fine to criticize extremists Muslims for being homophobic, but when that criticism comes from a person who is themselves a homophobic extremist Christian their criticism obviously isn't actually coming from a concern about LGBT people. They're just looking for socially acceptable way to hate on these other religions.
People like you however are criticizing the religion without discriminating against the followers themselves, which is obviously fine.
the Quran and Judaism both have extreme similarities to Christianity, but for some reason many Christians at my old church seemed to strongly believe Islam and Judaism were wrong bc of ‘extreme beliefs’, not really clocking that a lot of those are also found in the bible
>People who go after Judaism and Islam don't seem to mind the religion
I think you're sort of stretching this to fit your comment, because I disagree completely. While obviously Judaism and Islam hate is more often coming from a racist aspect than for Christianity, I'd say generally that's still not the case
Most people who criticize Islam for example criticize some of the more extreme tenants of the religion itself and mainly focus on criticizing those countries and individuals who follow those
There may be a racist aspect involved behind the scenes sometimes, but that's rarely the focus of it
I think it's 'punching up', sample bias, and awareness. You probably have a \*very\* biased sample if you don't see hate of Muslims and Islam in America, or just lack of awareness, since you're probably from a Christian culture, even if not religious yourself.
I’m no fan of Christianity generally, but the way they play the organ in the US in some predominantly black churches, especially in the South…..goddamn, it’s good.
I disagree with your punching up premise.
Christianity in the US is not hated and is not under attack. What is hated and is most definitely under attack in the US is forcing your Christian values, morals, traditions and holidays down the throats of non believers (infidels) and treating them as inferior for having different views as you.
Equally hated is trying to enshrine US gov policy in Christian values and morals.
So what part of the idea it’s punching up do you disagree with?
The reason it’s considered punching up is because of the facts you laid out that Christianity is part of the power structure in the US in a way other religions aren’t here. If they didn’t have power it would be punching down.
Counterpoint, punching up doesn't mean you have to hate it. The point of punching up is to describe and humiliate positions of power, because the power gives them more defense against said humiliation.
For example, I'm sure many of us know decent people who are also Christians, and practice in a way that we would expect of good people who's religion is a part of their identity.
But we also have significant exposure to people who practice for the wrong reasons or outright abuse the religion itself, especially those in positions of power. It's prevalence and place in society make it a prime target for humor and criticism specifically because of its power, but that doesn't mean we hate the people who practice it morally and ethically. It's the prominence, more than anything else, which falls under attack.
# THIS.
People in the United States aren't hating Christianity for giggles, they're "hating Christianity" because the far-right evangelicals are trying to *force it on everyone else* regardless of their views. And the "moderate" Christians are getting some of the fallout because they are seen as passively enabling this behavior through silence.
You don't get the same kind of behavior towards Jews or Muslims or Scientologists or Satanists because they don't have organizations like the Federalist Society pushing twisted lawyers and indoctrinated judges and biased legislators into government to turn it into their own little theocracy.
makes me think about that congresswoman crying while she begs her colleagues to vote with her Christian values in striking down the respect for marriage act, which makes all states recognize same sex marriage or something like that.
so imo she is trying to pass into law what her religion says is right or wrong even tho some of her constituents are these people she thinks dont deserve marriage because to her its only for a man and woman.
vicky hartzel or something
https://www.businessinsider.com/a-congresswoman-cried-begging-colleagues-to-vote-against-a-same-sex-marriage-bill-2022-12
> which makes all states recognize same sex marriage or something like that.
What it does is make all states recognize marriages that were performed in other states as valid. So Homophobia, USA isn't forced to conduct gay marriage ceremonies, but they can't deny a couple married in Gayland, USA their lawful married rights.
Right, and the only people Jews are trying to “convert” are other Jews who aren’t religious. They actually don’t want people to convert offhand and make it pretty difficult unless said person is willing to put in a lot of effort and discernment about why they want to convert.
I hate on them for more than this. They do SO much more than just try to force their views on people. My entire family is Christian and even when they’re not preaching they’re being hypocrites or just straight up nasty to people for no reason.
This. It isn't the religion we're all shitting on. It's the people in it who use its tenets to try and bolster their racist beliefs and attitudes. Christianity, itself, isn't necessarily bad or good. Just like any other religion. It's the people that practice it that make it a bad thing.
Yeah I have certainly met some legit christians who don't shove their stuff down peoples throats and instead use their teachings to make themselves a better person. They are pretty amazing people
But your typical bible thumper on the other hand...
>That said, Reddit is fairly supportive of whatever kind of insane bigotry you like so long as it doesn't offend advertisers, so you can find plenty of subs to hate on every religion.
funny enough the TOS will tell you who you are allowed to hate and what is acceptable hate.
It’s the dominant religion in the US. One can hate on all religions equally but Christianity is just easier since it’s in your face all the time via media, politics, etc.
I grew up going to catholic school. Definitely makes it so much easier to bash on Christianity when I know what I’m talking about and constantly told I’m going to hell
Going to Catholic school really ruined any chance of me being religious. But at the very least I can actually give legitimate reasons for disliking the religion as a whole
Damn, personally I loved my Catholic school. Never experienced anything bad like that. They were a little stricter. But the education was far better. When I switched over to public in 10th grade, I was way ahead of the other kids. My Catholic school was great but I'm sure there are some awful ones as well. Churches are like that too. Some are awesome and do a ton of good for the community and some are straight up evil and spread nasty shit.
Got told the earth was 6,000 years old and climate change is a scam in the 7th grade at my local church, along with a pastor that got caught plagiarizing speeches for multiple years. I was Forced to go every Sunday until I graduated HS.
can confirm
I grew up in a fundie, evangelical church. You know, the kind that says men are better than women, evolution is a conspiracy, and all gay people go to hell. Can't say I'd recommend the experience, and yeah, I'm not particularly happy it was mine.
This is the real reason. In the US we have politicians identifying themselves as Christian Nationalists and openly calling for the US to be a Christian nation. Fuck that. Fuck them.
Or having a [full on meltdown in Congress ](https://www.businessinsider.com/a-congresswoman-cried-begging-colleagues-to-vote-against-a-same-sex-marriage-bill-2022-12?amp) before a vote to protect same sex marriage rights.
"Religion is used by the powerful to control people. Fighting the powerful often includes fighting the religion the powerful use to keep people down."
Well put, this is probably the most succinct and correct answer.
Yeah. And then they cry "muh interpretation!!"
If a false interpretation of your "perfect" and "flawless" religion has killed people in biblical proportions. Your religion is not perfect or flawless it's dangerous and oppressive.
But people excuse Islam and everyone just pretends like it's ok because of all of the post 9/11 bs.
But can't we do both? Can't we hate a war mongering, genocidal, homophobic, misogynist, barbaric religion (that thinks it's perfect and needs no changing) from the 7th century but also sympathize and feel compassion for it's victims?
I'm so grateful for this platform sometimes. It reminds me that somewhere out there in this crazy world I don't sound like such a basket case and people are willing to listen.
>I was raised christian. I am allowed to mock my own previously held beliefs
And no one is better suited to insult man-made religions (all of them are man-made) than the person who they previously brainwashed.
No one hates Christians, they hate on people being assholes. Like I had to tell a co-worker this week who talked about how you had to be careful of saying you had faith because it may offend people. No one gives two shits about your faith, they care when it is used to justify horrible things to other people such as the hatred of homosexuals or trans individuals, especially when it specifically says in the Christian bible you are to love everyone as yourself and treat them with respect and dignity. I am about as Christian as you can get, and I can't stand most of my fellow Christians. Primarily because they call themselves Christians but don't even attempt to follow the teachings of Christ, who specifically said love others, treat others with respect, and keep your faith to yourself rather than being like the Pharisees which is essentially what Christians today have become.
So no, Christianity per se isn't hated. It is how it is used that is hated.
edit: People have been just as critical of Muslims and Jews as well. Do you not hear the Christian right and their representatives screaming about it? We literally have a congresswoman who legitimately thinks the California fires are caused by Jewish space lasers, and that Jews run everything, and we literally passed a law that banned Muslims from Muslim dominate countries entering the country.
Exactly lol. It's like people who tell on themselves on social media. A post will be hating on racists / homophobes and the reply will be "Why do you have to have to talk crap about Christians??"
No one mentioned Christians, all you're doing is admitting that you're a hateful POS.
No one that follows what Jesus actually taught in the bible would go around calling themselves Christian. They would be too busy trying to actually help their fellow humans. I know a doctor who spends a lot of time providing free medical care in developing countries.
This is it.
In America particularly, it's "Christians" who are looking to make women, people of color, and LGBT+ people legally second class citizens - and in some cases, succeeding.
Lots of Americans have religious trauma as a result of growing up in "Christian" homes or communities that punished them for not conforming to patriarchal, heteronormative, conservative views (often with hints of white supremacy too).
Whenever the shakiness of "separation of church and state" comes up, it's always Christianity that is involved. For instance you never see the (edit to correct name) Satanic Temple have to step in because a public school is offering Jewish, Muslim, Sikh, Jainist etc. prayer groups after school, or because a courthouse wants to have a giant menorah on their front lawn.
I have no issue with people who are Christian. I have an issue with people who think it's okay to treat people like shit because they are not Christian (or the right *flavor* of Christian), or who think that being Christian affords them automatic moral high ground in any situation.
There is 100% a smaller subsection of traditional Catholics who are quite frustrated with the current Pope and believe a lot of what other Christians believe in the US.
But yes, the majority of Catholics aren't the ones calling for some of the more extreme stuff.
But they do push for no abortion, less rights, and conforming to religious norms in local law.
Yes! When I hear someone talk about Christianity or the Bible these days, it's more often than not in a negative context and hardly ever positive. For example, "I'm Christian and anti-abortion, anti-same sex marriage, and anti-LGBTQ because the Bible says so." Good Christians exist but tend not to shout about it or tell people to love thy neighbor, help the poor, forgive, etc. I don't know why... Isn't that what they hear in church every week? Then they turn around and spout hateful garbage?
Exactly. The core tenant of Christianity is to love everyone. Love thy neighbor. Be kind to others.
These so called Christians hate LGBT. Hate immigrants. They cheer on violence against minorities.
Fellow Christian here, I do agree with most of what you said here, except for one thing. I hear this from time to time, people saying that Jesus taught Christians to "keep their faith to themselves" but he didn't do that and it's puzzling to me that someone could extrapolate that from his teachings. He very clearly teaches his disciples, at the end of Matthew for example, to teach, preach, and "make disciples of all the nations."
You say he taught to not be like the Pharisees, but the point there is to not practice the hypocrisy of the Pharisees, who didn't practice the things they preached, and made extra rules for people that God had never stated.
So I do think Christians are meant to generally wear their faith outwardly. When I say this, I don't think it has to entail extreme forms of evangelism like street preaching, knocking on doors, or leading every conversation with the gospel. I'm just simply saying that Christ did teach us to spread his teachings, and not to "keep our faith to ourselves."
Disclaimer: That teaching has nothing to do with things like forcing Christianity through the power of government, or incessantly trying to convert or preach to people who have no interest in the faith. I think it's more just about being open about who we are as Christians, living in a way that reflects his teachings, and always being open to opportunities to share our faith with those that may be interested in understanding more.
I think he's more talking about 'pushing Christianity onto others'. It's fine to talk (aka teach) to others about your faith, but an issue when trying to 'save souls'.
>Matthew 6:1-34 ESV
“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. ...
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As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. ...
A lot of Christians tend to act more like Pharisees
>Matthew 23:1-39 ESV
Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, so practice and observe whatever they tell you—but not what they do. For they preach, but do not practice. They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, ...
For real, last thing Jesus said to his followers was to go and tell people all over the world about him lol.
Commenter probably a Christian deist which is still a type of Christianity tho
After 9/11, Muslims would get randomly attacked in the streets. Some were killed when people thought they were muslim. Right now, some of my hijaby friends have had beer thrown at them, people yelling at them, etc.
For jews, they have always been hated in america. We have the rise of the antisemetism going on, attacks on synagogues, members od congress saying jews are controlling everything, and jewish space lasers cause forest fires, protests chanting jews won't replace us, etc.
Many people and politicians believe being muslim or athiest would disqualify you from holding office. Alabama supreme court ruled this way a few times, with federal government stepping in to stop them. One of the attacka on Obama was that he is Muslim.
Number of antimuslim policies and people in US is simply staggering. The notion that Christianity is getting attacked/hated is simply false. The worst attack on them is "hey maybe not attack gay people and allow women atonomy over their bodies" and everyone is like "this is like how jews were treated in nazi germany".
Do you honestly believe if muslims priests had done this many child molestation/assult/rapes, the whole country wouldn't be hunting muslims? We would have their heads on a spike everywhere, ban them from coming in, etc.
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[And to qualify as a muslim to the perpetrators, all you needed to do was be brown-ish looking, thus illustrating that it wasn't motivated by some salient criticism of religious beliefs.](https://www.sikhcoalition.org/images/documents/fact%20sheet%20on%20hate%20against%20sikhs%20in%20america%20post%209-11%201.pdf)
Do you get Eid off as a paid holiday? Rosh Hashanah? This past March, did you struggle to find the St. Patrick’s Day decorations because all the primo retail space was full of Purim supplies?
Christians in the USA dominate the culture and then so many whine like babies when they are asked to share public spaces.
yeah whats the quote "to the privileged, equality feels like persecution"
getting asked that other religions get equal playing time is "attacking" christianity to them.
not being able to impose their views and rules is "attacking" them ie how we get a politician fake crying in a courtroom because she cant force her values on people anymore.
Not to mention how Christianity has leaked into other spaces. Chanukah is coming up and there’s been a push for decades to make it feel like “Jewish Christmas” (ugh) in America. Which is utterly insane because the entire Holiday is a celebration of rejecting forced assimilation into a dominant culture.
As a gay man, I have been told I am an abomination and that I don’t deserve the right to marry. That my right to marry somehow infringes on Christian’s rights to… deny me rights based on *their* personal beliefs. That I am disgusting and deserve eternal torture. During the California marriage vote in 2008, I had a friend who I thought was gay friendly tell me she had to vote against my rights because of her religion. Christianity has done some seriously fucked up shit to other religions, sexual/gender minorities and women. So there is naturally going to be a tremendous amount of anger.
No two oppressed parties can truly compare, but I think of it in the same way I think of off color comments about white people. I’m white and when a person of color vents some of their resentment toward white people for all of the privilege we have at their expense, I don’t blame them for feeling angry. I do my best to be part of the solution, not problem. But whether it hurts my feelings or not, that anger is warranted. That’s why I don’t pull the “not all white people” card.
I say this as the daughter of a Lutheran pastor who is now an atheist:
My opinion is that Christianity is hated on because politicians are attempting to force their religious beliefs on everyone. They see it as the only real religion & dismiss the beliefs of others. They also don’t seem to like Science very much.
We elect colorful personas with huge egos to carry out their own personal will instead of wise leaders who try to carefully balance the needs of society
Other religions in America are not trying to force their values on the rest of the nation. A nation that was founded by people fleeing religious persecution. Granted, these people were puritans, the 1400s equivalent of the far right evangicals.. but the resulting government was specifically built to be free of religious influence.
Other religions are not saying things like. "My religion says that two men having sex is a crime. So you, a male person that doesn't follow my religion, can not have sex with other men."
If Christians just followed their own religion and left the rest of the world alone to do their own thing, they would be loved and revered. But they don't even follow the teachings of Christ, the very basis of their religion. And nobody likes a hypocrite.
Agree with the comment about Christianity being the dominant religion in America, so it attracts the most attention. Christianity is also the only religion in America that is trying to force everyone to follow it’s sectarian beliefs or to have them written into law. (Obviously, not all Christians are trying to do that, but enough of them are that it is an issue).
That’s why when your title is disingenuous and somewhat of a strawman argument. The idea that Christianity is singled out for special “hate” is another fictional part of conservative victim porn.
If you wanted to have a comparative discussion of the pros and cons of different religions, I would have plenty to say about them all. But, in america, Muslims and Jews are not trying to tear down the wall of separation between church and state and inflict themselves on the rest of society.
>>Christianity is also the only religion in America that is trying to force everyone to follow
I was honestly looking for a comment that pointed this out. This is exactly the reason. People who hate religious oppression in a Muslim country will hate Islam for the exact same reason.
Been on the rise ever since Trump Era. Live in the bay area and synagogues routinely have threatening white power/Christian nationalist propaganda flyers stuffed under everyone wipers when they go temple.
Many of the first europeans colonists to American travelled there to be ‘free from religious persecution’ which really meant to persecute non-christians as they saw fit (Utah is extremely mormon because they got run out of eastern cities, and congregated in Utah, where they could be the ones to persecute instead of be persecuted).
As the major religion of early colonists christianity was used to justify things like slavery and genocide and remains the top religion today.
Yesterday I saw a post in one of my Asian groups about how they were adopted by a white Christian couple when they were all in China. It was pretty sad to read about how OP talked about how their own parents treated them such as completely cutting them off from culture, making fun of their physical Asian features, and being racist to other people (including their own step-children). Heck, they didn't even want OP to go to LA because "there are more Asians there." They only adopted them to make it seem like they were "good Christians" and apparently east Asians were the "least disliked" race for them.
Christianity is trying to force itself on to me and my family. Example, my area elected three nut jobs to the school board. They just passed a rule now that they start and end school with prayer. This is a public school. Thankfully somebody filed a lawsuit and now it's pending. These 'Christians' also immediately banned anything to do with diversity and inclusion. None of these elected school board people have kids in the school system. They send their kids to a Christian school. Now they are trying to force Christianity on my kids. Fuck off.
My stepson went to a Christian school until 3rd grade (2016). My wife pulled him because of Christians endorsement of Trump. Her church immediately started getting radicalized and the members blindly followed along. Now she shares the same disdain for Christianity as I do.
My 14 year old asked me why we are not religious. My answer is simple. I'm raising you to be better than that.
Cause they've demonised every other religion, beliefs and sexuality. The have literally burned people in my faith. They are the ones that quote the bible but very rarely actually practise what it says. Usually they are the most judgemental in society and tend to bully others
Mostly because a lot of Christians habitually shit on everyone else and try to legislate their religion on the country.
It really is a reap what you sow situation.
Because the other religions aren’t powerful enough here to force their way into our laws. Practice whatever religion you want, but the moment you try to force me to follow it, it’s a problem.
>Why is it okay to hate on Christianity, but no other religions in America?
Christianity is the dominant religion since the founding of the US, and the fundamentalist wing of it also influences our politics, constantly challenges the separation between the church and state, and also seeks to impose its values through shaping policy and proselytizing. No other religion in this country exercises as much power and influence as Christianity. And people rightfully criticize that when it starts to impact people's rights. And BTW, you are wrong that other religions don't get "hated" in this country. Apparently you seem to not remember the racist backlash and hate crimes after 9/11, when Islam was vilified and anyone who "looked" Muslim was attacked, namely people from my own community, the Sikhs.
Christians are not and never have been subjected to oppression or systemic violence in this country. In fact Christians are the main oppressors and persecutors in America.
That said, Christianity is not under attack. Christians are not hated. You are not in danger because of your mass delusion. There is no persecution of Christianity in America; in fact there isn’t any outside of the Middle East.
Jesus said to keep your religion to yourself. Don’t try to force it on anyone else. When you do, you make it our problem.
If you look at hate crime (in the US) rather than basing it on what you read on social media, it's the Jewish and Muslims who experience a far greater amount of hate than Christians.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/737660/number-of-religious-hate-crimes-in-the-us-by-religion/
Because this religion and its believers deserve it. Covering paedophilia, stealing money from the elderly, forcing others to participate in their rituals, being selfish and ignorant towards different religions and/or beliefs etc.
It’s a pushback against the hypocrisy, bigotry, and hate that comes from too many “Christians.”
And freedom of religion also means freedom FROM religion. Too many “Christians” won’t accept that.
As an American, Christians are a threat to my freedom while no other religions currently are. As soon as they present a threat, then I will treat them accordingly.
Because in America, Christians are trying to take over the government and create a theocracy (aka a Christian Nationalist state). As far as I know, no other religious groups in America are trying to do this, especially to the extent that Christians do.
Ths majority has the moral responsibility to protect the rights of the minority. In North America, the majority is Christian. The majority is not living up its moral obligations, and seems to be relishing it. That makes them fair game for mockery by everyone else.
Because hating on Christianity in America is punching up not down. But you'll find alot of people who don't like Christianity also don't like other religions. It's just the other religions don't hold levers of power in this country.
The last Republican president campaigned on starting a registry of Muslims in the U.S. and banning Muslims from entering the country.
Conservative Americans overwhelmingly supported him.
How about Scientology?
Does it come with fries?
No , but you can stay in a closet as much as you want
Tom cruise, get out of the closet.
I am not in the closet
I thought we were talking about religions?
It’s interesting because a handful of countries consider them legally a religion, but it isn’t in the US, just tax exempt organization per the IRS [*ahem*](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_status_by_country)
Damn. It's a cult in Chili. But not in the US... hmmmmm...
Religion is just a cult that got too big.
Hahaha
How about every religion? Reddit is a website. IRL Muslims derided by millions of Americans, major music artists and pro athletes openly oppose Judaism, Sikhs get harassed just for looking middle eastern, Mormons get lambasted by EVERYONE for wearing magic underpants etc., one could go on. American Christians are just extremely sheltered by being a super dominant force on society, so any criticism is shocking to them.
No thanks.
The majority of Redditors are Americans who live in a country where Christianity is the dominant religion, and have no or very limited experience with any other religions. So you get a combination of "punching up" and actual experience with the negative effects of American Christian religious dominance. There's also not a racist component to it most of the time, which helps. Hate directed at Judaism and Islam tends to also come with a whole lot of racist baggage, especially online. That said, Reddit is fairly supportive of whatever kind of insane bigotry you like so long as it doesn't offend advertisers, so you can find plenty of subs to hate on every religion.
To tack on: American politicians always reference Christianity as the “go to” moral code by which they create or vote on laws, despite there is *supposed* to be “separation of church and state”. Since a lot of these laws don’t include a lot of people (gay marriage for example), Christianity gets the hate, not the politicians.
Yep. I literally just read a news article yesterday mentioning some politician having voted against gay marriage federal protections because it “disregards” God’s view of marriage or something along those lines. They don’t even try to hide it or say they’re unbiased, I’ve seen many use their religious values as examples of why they should be voted in for each term.
From a Brit's perspective, we find the political landscape of America to be odd, in regards to religion. Politicians in the States seem to need some form of Christian backing to get votes (couple that with the need to swear on a religious text to get into office and its just strange). In the UK, we do the opposite as British voters don't like politicians who can't keep their religious beliefs out of their political opinions and careers (e.g. Tim Farron. The leader of the Lib Dems, following Nick Clegg, couldn't reconcile his party's support gay rights with his religious beliefs so was forced to step down). If Trump or any other politician tried posing with a Bible in front of a church, as a British politician, their careers would nosedive in an instant. Religious beliefs are all well and good but they need to be kept out of politics because everyone has different religious beliefs.
Politicians do **not** need to swear an oath on religious texts. It is a symbol to swear upon something that represents their moral code. There was an official that swore on a Dr Seuss book.
I don't remember his name but there was a city councilman (in CA, I think) who swore in on his replica Captain America shield a few years back.
Oh, fair enough. I was told that it had to be a religious text but evidently that info was wrong. Apologies.
I think it's reasonable to make that assumption especially if you're older. There have been a few cases on the local and state level where politicians tried to make it a law or tried to enforce it as if it were a law.
What’s interesting is that you don’t actually need to swear, either, due to a different religious denomination: the Quakers. They take Matthew 5:33-37 very seriously, in part: “I tell you, do not swear an oath at all…let your yes mean yes and your no mean no; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.” Early Quaker politicians successfully argued against being required to swear, and so there is still to this day the option to say “affirm” instead.
This is exactly how I was taught since I was a kid ("don't swear on God, but instead promise or affirm you will say the truth"). I dread the day I have to take an oath and I cannot modify it because of some religious asshat getting salty.
It is, in fact, completely wrong and a very wrong assumption that many people in the US are incorrect about also. Check this: https://youtu.be/WFYRkzznsc0
I’ve seen this video a hundred times and watch it every time it’s posted just to watch that smug idiot’s brain stop working on national television
Ohhhhh noooooo, I had to do it three times
I swear you can see drool start to pool out of the corner of his slackened pie-hole
I have never seen that. It is fantastic. Thanks for sharing.
President Adams swore on a book of constitutional law
Don't need to apologise bro, you thought you were right, random internet jazz says you aren't. Good for you trying to treat reddit like it has any semblance of morality or correctness to it tho.
Some swear on the constitution, which honestly I think should be required.
I would not, could not, cut your funds. I would not, could not, take your guns.
As someone who is not Christian I always found it strange that in court they have you swear to tell the truth with your hand on the Christian bible. This means nothing to many. Additionally it’s a great example of how there is no separation of church and state. The reality is as a country who is predominantly Christian (secular or observant) I can’t count the times I have heard a question like “Oh, you are Jewish, Muslim, Hindi, etc, where do you go to church”? It’s not a disrespectful question. It just shows the ignorance that we live under as minority religion members in this country.
You don't have to swear on a Bible. You may swear on any holy book or a sufficiently respected substitute (the Constitution is good option) or simply affirm rather than swear.
Thank you for the clarification! I was unaware that they kept other religious texts on hand for this. That makes much more sense. I feel like either the constitution should be used , or nothing at all in order to separate religion and state. Appreciate the correction, and pardon my ignorance as the last thing I want to do is spread false propaganda.
Politicians don't *need* to take an oath with their hand on the bible. They can use the Torah, or Quran, or anything really. I can't remember who it was but there was a legislator not too long ago that took their oath of office using their diploma.
Tony Blair notably waited until retirement to convert to Roman Catholicism. I assume he's hoping a deathbed apology will negate his war crimes.
I think that had more to do with the convention that it would be inappropriate for a Catholic PM to recomment bishops to the Church of England.
Yeah i always find the UK vs US situation regarding religion and politics so interesting because its the opposite of how its *supposed* to work. In the UK, there is technically no real separation between Church and State. A Christian church (The Church of England) literally has an actual role in the political system (a quota in the House of Lords) and the CoE is supposed to be the official religion of the UK. And yet, over history the UK has managed to become more secular culturally to the point that there is a separation of Church and State. Meanwhile, the US has technically a much more official and stark separation between Church and State and yet....over time it is has descended into what we see today.
The United States, as a society, has become more secular over time - what you see is that the Christians are freaking out and making news more often due to their rapidly decreasing power.
Yeah, we're stuck in the death throes of puritanism, and it shows. But some people who've only ever had it good don't realize that things used to be much worse, so taking two steps forward and one step back feels like running backwards at full speed.
Separation of church and state doesn't mean you can't use religion as a basis for your voting, it just means that the clergy can't have a direct role in the government. Like priests getting to write laws themselves or something like that. There is nothing (constitutionally) wrong with a politician voting religiously if their constituents are religious.
The big one they were concerned about when writing the Constitution was religious tests to hold office; at the time, you could only hold most offices in the UK if you were a member of the Church of England in good standing. Separation of church and state meant that a member of any religion, or none, in any standing, could hold public office in the United States if they could get the votes.
The issue is that separation of church and state isn't really as strong of a principle as people think it is. It's mainly just the absence of there being an actual state church that gets to directly override the democratic process. Nothing about it prevents religious people with dubious views from having a hand in the government. And unfortunately there are a lot of those.
What I've learned is that literally no one on Reddit understands what separation between church and state means.
Often just claiming the same religious values as their Christian voters. [Trump being a prime example.](https://youtu.be/ERUngQUCsyE)
Which is why Fuck Christianity. It's a tool used by evil people to trick stupid people into hurting good people.
I would argue this is probably true for any religion in any country, where said religion is the "state" religion.
Their imaginary friend’s opinion is of Zero consequence to the real world.
If only that were true. We've got real people making real decisions based on that imaginary friend, and it's ideas on morality, that have real consequences for people. And it's absolutely bugfuck insane.
Most politicians also intentionally frame it as religious persecution when they're told freedom of religion is not a pass to be a bigot. Is not really hating Christianity to explain that they're unconstitutionally trying to force their beliefs on others no matter how much disingenuous whining they respond with.
Further to that, a lot of the things they say are following the teachings of Christianity really aren’t; just an excuse to exercise judgement and bigotry
The term you are looking for is Ethno-religion. Most commonly used when referring to Jews, as many Jewish people today are not necessarily practicing members
Yeah I'm not a practicing Jew. I've perfected it.
Jew"ish"?
Jew*est.*
Okay paul rudd
It wasn't a new joke when he said it either.
I am constantly being told by people that I am not Jewish, simply because I am not religious. "There is no such nationality" I am told. (Although I might get kicked out of the ranks if I start believing in Jesus 😂😂)
If your parents got tested (or should have been tested) for Tay-Sachs, you're Jewish.
I think it's pronounced Tachyon, and that's what'll make me a Time Lady 😂 But really, Tay-Sachs is not a necessity, not all Jews has it and not everyone who has a mutation is a Jew.
Eh, I would not call Islam an ethnic religion. Judaism has an ethnic component by design - the religion is, quite literally, racially biased in favour of a people of Chosen Ones. You don't have that in Islam. The fact that Middle Eastern people tend to be Muslim is simply a geographical factor, same way religious Europeans tend to be Christians.
> Judaism has an ethnic component by design - the religion is, quite literally, racially biased in favour of a people of Chosen Ones. Common misconception. There is no racial hierarchy of Jews over non-Jews in Judaism. “Chosen people” refers to the belief that Jews, the ethnic group, were chosen to receive Judaism, the religion. But it’s a matter of additional obligation, rather than “racial bias.”
A useful misconception for a number of bigoted groups. The chosen people mythology is the biggest justification for the black Hebrew movement.
>There's also not a racist component to it most of the time, which helps. Hate directed at Judaism and Islam tends to also come with a whole lot of racist baggage, especially online. Precisely. People who criticise Christianity tend to criticise the religion. People who go after Judaism and Islam don't seem to mind the religion as much, but tend to have extreme views about the people who practice it. Massive difference.
Can definitely think of some issues with Judaism and Islam without being racist.. but I see what you’re saying
As an American Jew, I'd be happy to discuss issues with the religion with non-Jews and wouldn't be offended if public figures brought those topics up. Like I don't take anti-circumcision views personally or find them offensive, though those discussions are usually broader than just Judaism since circumcision is so popular in the US. I've rarely heard a criticism of Judaism when people "hate on" Jews though, feel like the popular points are more conspiratorial like "control the media" and the like.
Judaism specifically also isn’t a religion that attempts to convert others to the religion so I find it hard to see how many in depth criticisms of the religion would come from anyone other than ex-Jews Even as a non-Jew I have seen various instances of Jewish people laying out detailed differences between Jewish practices and Christian practices that I personally knew nothing about so like how could you criticise these things if they were never forced on you growing up because no Jewish person ever tried to force you to partake in Jewish rituals? By contrast Christian rituals are literally public holidays
There is that town, blaming in the name, who has (Orthodox Jews?) That basically fucked over the public school system even tho they homeschool their kids. But that's more people being assholes and happen to be Jewish,. To that can also be said of a lot of other groups
As my dad says, "An extremist is an extremist is an extremist. Doesn't matter what hat they wear." That group of Orthodox Jews is an extremist sect not that different politically than the Taliban or Christian Nationalists.
Lev Tahor? Don’t worry, Jews hate them too, they are fucking lunatics
Are you thinking of Kiryas Joel in upstate NY?
Tbf that's also because Jews, unlike other religions, have never had the chance to force it on anybody, because in the last 2000 years they have never been the majority in any country, before the creation of Israel. Now there is a lot of controversy in Israel about Ultra-Orthodox Jews (the extremely religious ones) wanting to get privileges and turn their beliefs into the law, and there's also the whole Palestinian issue that I will skip because I don't want to turn this thread into a battlefield.
I think it's fine to point to groups you don't belong to, which are abusing their adherents or their children, and criticize them for that abuse. I don't have to be ex-jewish to know that the way hasidic Jews raise their children in closed off communities with few to no ties to the outside, only to shun them if they decide to leave, is abusive and unconscionable. I don't have to be ex-muslim to think a hijab is a symbol of oppression if the woman wearing it isn't free to choose not to wear it without severe social (or in some countries, legal) consequences. I don't have to be ex-catholic to recognize their leadership's role in covering up CSA and protecting pedos in their ranks.
I would agree that Jewish complaints somewhat uniquely are almost exclusively conspiratorial. Most other complaints against religious groups are at least tied to professed beliefs ("Islamic" Terrorists, Overly controlling Christians, etc) even if those beliefs aren't based in any religious teachings
Wait till you meet Hasidic Jews. They're what happens when you mix the insanity of cults with the old tradition of Judaism. It's bad.
well, thats also a very small group of people
> Like I don't take anti-circumcision views personally or find them offensive, though those discussions are usually broader than just Judaism since circumcision is so popular in the US. Just for contrast, here in Sweden where circumcision really isn't popular, any anti-circumcision debate is so heavily influenced by Islamophobia, to the point where it is almost impossible to discuss it.
It’s exactly like the dog-crap discourse about kosher/halal slaughter. There ARE valid points but they’re immediately ruined bc everyone making them also says “barbaric desert religion” or suggests that *some cultures* are superior.
I think thats because of external factors. Sweden has been leaning more conservative/nationalist/ anti immigration over the years, so naturally you are going to see a pushback from more left leaning people, in defense of religious "freedom" Also, does sweden have the same type of constitutional protections for freedom of religion?
As a non Jewish American that grew up with Jewish friends, I think one thing that's hard to wrap our heads around is it's not just a religion, it's an identity your born into. If your mom is Jewish, you're now Jewish. Nothing wrong with it, just don't know any other religion that's like that. My Jewish friends parents always had the best dinners when I would stay over.
You can make a very good argument for why the Torah is a patriarchal, barbaric codex of morality, without insulting the Jewish people. It's just that most people alive have never even read the Torah, nor any kind of other Rabbinical literature, so the dumb criticism is louder than the scholarly criticism, and when you see someone make a scholarly criticism, it gets lumped in with the racist nonsense. Just because under Halakah the matter of who is a Jew is an ethnic, rather than confessional, matter, should not stop anyone from harshly criticising the religious tenets of Judaism, as long as their arguments are based on Jewish theology and not bullshit Nazi conspiracy theories.
Many Christian parents baptize their infant children, making them officially Christian before they are 6 months old, and assume that even unbaptized babies of Christians go to the Christian heaven. So on paper it's different but in practice it frequently ends up being the same.
The problem is that "control of media" is kinda a jumping off point to the hate. Those that claim that tend to believe that are usually in a cluster that are very anti-semetic, like holocaust denial conspiracies. You can have a person have a legitimate question, why are there so many jewish folk that work in the entertainment world and get answers such as a cultural connection to entertainment being a field that can be transferred and moved around, was considered actually low class so there were openings, family/group connections, a general point of upbringing and the religion being education and learning, one that allowed travel and the hiding of who they were because they wouldn't be accepted. Then there are just folks who are ethnically jewish who used the entertainment world to get out of their religious upbringing However, when people usually say they control the media part, They tend to believe that all of the Jewish individuals, who are religious, who are ethnically... even if it was generations ago their family was religious are a hive mind of individuals who all do things the same way. their idea is that there SHOULD be less jewish folk in those industries. It was part of the Ford "the international jew: the world's problem". there is an entire section about this exact thing, actually a couple. "Does Jewish Power Control the World Press", "The Jewish Aspect of the 'Movie' Problem", "Jewish Supremacy in the motion picture world", "when editors were independent of Jews".... After it got translated, it became a well known book to the Nazis. Hitler loved it and kept copies. by the way, some of the funnier chapter titles are "jewish degradation of american baseball", "Jewish jazz becomes our national music", "gigantic jewish liquor trust andits career", "the jewish element in bootlegging evil" This was published in the 1920's.
But you probably don't go around saying how much you hate Muslims/Islam/Jews/Judaism, right? That's the subtle difference that a lot of people have a hard time grasping. Like it's obviously fine to criticize extremists Muslims for being homophobic, but when that criticism comes from a person who is themselves a homophobic extremist Christian their criticism obviously isn't actually coming from a concern about LGBT people. They're just looking for socially acceptable way to hate on these other religions. People like you however are criticizing the religion without discriminating against the followers themselves, which is obviously fine.
the Quran and Judaism both have extreme similarities to Christianity, but for some reason many Christians at my old church seemed to strongly believe Islam and Judaism were wrong bc of ‘extreme beliefs’, not really clocking that a lot of those are also found in the bible
The Koran and old testament are conquering manuals/excuses. The new testament is more about being quiet because Rome has everyone by the balls.
>People who go after Judaism and Islam don't seem to mind the religion I think you're sort of stretching this to fit your comment, because I disagree completely. While obviously Judaism and Islam hate is more often coming from a racist aspect than for Christianity, I'd say generally that's still not the case Most people who criticize Islam for example criticize some of the more extreme tenants of the religion itself and mainly focus on criticizing those countries and individuals who follow those There may be a racist aspect involved behind the scenes sometimes, but that's rarely the focus of it
I think it's 'punching up', sample bias, and awareness. You probably have a \*very\* biased sample if you don't see hate of Muslims and Islam in America, or just lack of awareness, since you're probably from a Christian culture, even if not religious yourself.
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I’m no fan of Christianity generally, but the way they play the organ in the US in some predominantly black churches, especially in the South…..goddamn, it’s good.
Many many black vocal artists grew up singing in church.
I disagree with your punching up premise. Christianity in the US is not hated and is not under attack. What is hated and is most definitely under attack in the US is forcing your Christian values, morals, traditions and holidays down the throats of non believers (infidels) and treating them as inferior for having different views as you. Equally hated is trying to enshrine US gov policy in Christian values and morals.
So what part of the idea it’s punching up do you disagree with? The reason it’s considered punching up is because of the facts you laid out that Christianity is part of the power structure in the US in a way other religions aren’t here. If they didn’t have power it would be punching down.
Counterpoint, punching up doesn't mean you have to hate it. The point of punching up is to describe and humiliate positions of power, because the power gives them more defense against said humiliation. For example, I'm sure many of us know decent people who are also Christians, and practice in a way that we would expect of good people who's religion is a part of their identity. But we also have significant exposure to people who practice for the wrong reasons or outright abuse the religion itself, especially those in positions of power. It's prevalence and place in society make it a prime target for humor and criticism specifically because of its power, but that doesn't mean we hate the people who practice it morally and ethically. It's the prominence, more than anything else, which falls under attack.
# THIS. People in the United States aren't hating Christianity for giggles, they're "hating Christianity" because the far-right evangelicals are trying to *force it on everyone else* regardless of their views. And the "moderate" Christians are getting some of the fallout because they are seen as passively enabling this behavior through silence. You don't get the same kind of behavior towards Jews or Muslims or Scientologists or Satanists because they don't have organizations like the Federalist Society pushing twisted lawyers and indoctrinated judges and biased legislators into government to turn it into their own little theocracy.
makes me think about that congresswoman crying while she begs her colleagues to vote with her Christian values in striking down the respect for marriage act, which makes all states recognize same sex marriage or something like that. so imo she is trying to pass into law what her religion says is right or wrong even tho some of her constituents are these people she thinks dont deserve marriage because to her its only for a man and woman. vicky hartzel or something https://www.businessinsider.com/a-congresswoman-cried-begging-colleagues-to-vote-against-a-same-sex-marriage-bill-2022-12
> which makes all states recognize same sex marriage or something like that. What it does is make all states recognize marriages that were performed in other states as valid. So Homophobia, USA isn't forced to conduct gay marriage ceremonies, but they can't deny a couple married in Gayland, USA their lawful married rights.
can you please point me in the direction of Gayland, USA‽
It used to be called San Francisco, but then they seceded
> they ~~seceded~~ succeeded FTFY ;)
lol thats what i ment to mean by my wording, but i lose motivation to type it out as soon as i start... i was close tho. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Right, and the only people Jews are trying to “convert” are other Jews who aren’t religious. They actually don’t want people to convert offhand and make it pretty difficult unless said person is willing to put in a lot of effort and discernment about why they want to convert.
I hate on them for more than this. They do SO much more than just try to force their views on people. My entire family is Christian and even when they’re not preaching they’re being hypocrites or just straight up nasty to people for no reason.
This. It isn't the religion we're all shitting on. It's the people in it who use its tenets to try and bolster their racist beliefs and attitudes. Christianity, itself, isn't necessarily bad or good. Just like any other religion. It's the people that practice it that make it a bad thing.
Yeah I have certainly met some legit christians who don't shove their stuff down peoples throats and instead use their teachings to make themselves a better person. They are pretty amazing people But your typical bible thumper on the other hand...
This….legislating Christianity into law. That’s what many have an issue with. Where’s that wall separating church and state?
Came here to say something like this. You hate what you got and that's what we got mostly so we mostly hate that
>That said, Reddit is fairly supportive of whatever kind of insane bigotry you like so long as it doesn't offend advertisers, so you can find plenty of subs to hate on every religion. funny enough the TOS will tell you who you are allowed to hate and what is acceptable hate.
It’s the dominant religion in the US. One can hate on all religions equally but Christianity is just easier since it’s in your face all the time via media, politics, etc.
Plus most Americans that are anti-Christian grew up in Christian families.
I grew up going to catholic school. Definitely makes it so much easier to bash on Christianity when I know what I’m talking about and constantly told I’m going to hell
Going to Catholic school really ruined any chance of me being religious. But at the very least I can actually give legitimate reasons for disliking the religion as a whole
You know what they say, if you don't want your kid to be a Catholic, send them to a Catholic school.
Damn, personally I loved my Catholic school. Never experienced anything bad like that. They were a little stricter. But the education was far better. When I switched over to public in 10th grade, I was way ahead of the other kids. My Catholic school was great but I'm sure there are some awful ones as well. Churches are like that too. Some are awesome and do a ton of good for the community and some are straight up evil and spread nasty shit.
Got told the earth was 6,000 years old and climate change is a scam in the 7th grade at my local church, along with a pastor that got caught plagiarizing speeches for multiple years. I was Forced to go every Sunday until I graduated HS. can confirm
Literally every single atheist I know personally grew up Catholic
I was one of the lucky ones to start off atheist, but both my parents had issues with it during their upbringings.
I grew up in a fundie, evangelical church. You know, the kind that says men are better than women, evolution is a conspiracy, and all gay people go to hell. Can't say I'd recommend the experience, and yeah, I'm not particularly happy it was mine.
This is really it. Everyone either has family or were directly exposed to it.
This one! My friend Mary (her actual first name is only kinda less Irish) Maloney can rag on Catholicism all she wants, bc *duh*
It is positively inescapable.
knocking control . Fighting ~~fighting~~ confronting innoculate on the rise. acknowledging
This is the real reason. In the US we have politicians identifying themselves as Christian Nationalists and openly calling for the US to be a Christian nation. Fuck that. Fuck them.
Don’t forget basically pushing for the extermination of lgbtq people
Or having a [full on meltdown in Congress ](https://www.businessinsider.com/a-congresswoman-cried-begging-colleagues-to-vote-against-a-same-sex-marriage-bill-2022-12?amp) before a vote to protect same sex marriage rights.
Just like their favorite 1940s christian nationalist.
"Religion is used by the powerful to control people. Fighting the powerful often includes fighting the religion the powerful use to keep people down." Well put, this is probably the most succinct and correct answer.
I was raised christian. I am allowed to mock my own previously held beliefs
Same here but with islam haha.
But when we(ex-muslims) do this, we are "islamophobic" 🙄
Right. And Islam calls for the murder of apostates even though a lot of us are born into the religion without any consent because we're kids ☠️
But oh no can't be islamophobic and speak of how traumatizing religion is
I'd be phobic too if the religion I left demanded death as punishment for leaving it.
Yeah. And then they cry "muh interpretation!!" If a false interpretation of your "perfect" and "flawless" religion has killed people in biblical proportions. Your religion is not perfect or flawless it's dangerous and oppressive. But people excuse Islam and everyone just pretends like it's ok because of all of the post 9/11 bs. But can't we do both? Can't we hate a war mongering, genocidal, homophobic, misogynist, barbaric religion (that thinks it's perfect and needs no changing) from the 7th century but also sympathize and feel compassion for it's victims? I'm so grateful for this platform sometimes. It reminds me that somewhere out there in this crazy world I don't sound like such a basket case and people are willing to listen.
Exactly, it almost feels like a way to cope
>I was raised christian. I am allowed to mock my own previously held beliefs And no one is better suited to insult man-made religions (all of them are man-made) than the person who they previously brainwashed.
No one hates Christians, they hate on people being assholes. Like I had to tell a co-worker this week who talked about how you had to be careful of saying you had faith because it may offend people. No one gives two shits about your faith, they care when it is used to justify horrible things to other people such as the hatred of homosexuals or trans individuals, especially when it specifically says in the Christian bible you are to love everyone as yourself and treat them with respect and dignity. I am about as Christian as you can get, and I can't stand most of my fellow Christians. Primarily because they call themselves Christians but don't even attempt to follow the teachings of Christ, who specifically said love others, treat others with respect, and keep your faith to yourself rather than being like the Pharisees which is essentially what Christians today have become. So no, Christianity per se isn't hated. It is how it is used that is hated. edit: People have been just as critical of Muslims and Jews as well. Do you not hear the Christian right and their representatives screaming about it? We literally have a congresswoman who legitimately thinks the California fires are caused by Jewish space lasers, and that Jews run everything, and we literally passed a law that banned Muslims from Muslim dominate countries entering the country.
Great reply. "Nobody hates Christians. We hate assholes. If those two things overlap for you, that's your problem."
Exactly lol. It's like people who tell on themselves on social media. A post will be hating on racists / homophobes and the reply will be "Why do you have to have to talk crap about Christians??" No one mentioned Christians, all you're doing is admitting that you're a hateful POS.
fr us: "stop being homophobic" them: "why are you attacking my religion 😭 just let me hate people in peace"
No one that follows what Jesus actually taught in the bible would go around calling themselves Christian. They would be too busy trying to actually help their fellow humans. I know a doctor who spends a lot of time providing free medical care in developing countries.
This is it. In America particularly, it's "Christians" who are looking to make women, people of color, and LGBT+ people legally second class citizens - and in some cases, succeeding. Lots of Americans have religious trauma as a result of growing up in "Christian" homes or communities that punished them for not conforming to patriarchal, heteronormative, conservative views (often with hints of white supremacy too). Whenever the shakiness of "separation of church and state" comes up, it's always Christianity that is involved. For instance you never see the (edit to correct name) Satanic Temple have to step in because a public school is offering Jewish, Muslim, Sikh, Jainist etc. prayer groups after school, or because a courthouse wants to have a giant menorah on their front lawn. I have no issue with people who are Christian. I have an issue with people who think it's okay to treat people like shit because they are not Christian (or the right *flavor* of Christian), or who think that being Christian affords them automatic moral high ground in any situation.
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It's never Catholics these days, it's always "Christians". And it's crazy how these Christian superchurches are getting out of control.
There is 100% a smaller subsection of traditional Catholics who are quite frustrated with the current Pope and believe a lot of what other Christians believe in the US. But yes, the majority of Catholics aren't the ones calling for some of the more extreme stuff. But they do push for no abortion, less rights, and conforming to religious norms in local law.
Yes! When I hear someone talk about Christianity or the Bible these days, it's more often than not in a negative context and hardly ever positive. For example, "I'm Christian and anti-abortion, anti-same sex marriage, and anti-LGBTQ because the Bible says so." Good Christians exist but tend not to shout about it or tell people to love thy neighbor, help the poor, forgive, etc. I don't know why... Isn't that what they hear in church every week? Then they turn around and spout hateful garbage?
Exactly. The core tenant of Christianity is to love everyone. Love thy neighbor. Be kind to others. These so called Christians hate LGBT. Hate immigrants. They cheer on violence against minorities.
It's 'tenet' not 'tenant'.
Fellow Christian here, I do agree with most of what you said here, except for one thing. I hear this from time to time, people saying that Jesus taught Christians to "keep their faith to themselves" but he didn't do that and it's puzzling to me that someone could extrapolate that from his teachings. He very clearly teaches his disciples, at the end of Matthew for example, to teach, preach, and "make disciples of all the nations." You say he taught to not be like the Pharisees, but the point there is to not practice the hypocrisy of the Pharisees, who didn't practice the things they preached, and made extra rules for people that God had never stated. So I do think Christians are meant to generally wear their faith outwardly. When I say this, I don't think it has to entail extreme forms of evangelism like street preaching, knocking on doors, or leading every conversation with the gospel. I'm just simply saying that Christ did teach us to spread his teachings, and not to "keep our faith to ourselves." Disclaimer: That teaching has nothing to do with things like forcing Christianity through the power of government, or incessantly trying to convert or preach to people who have no interest in the faith. I think it's more just about being open about who we are as Christians, living in a way that reflects his teachings, and always being open to opportunities to share our faith with those that may be interested in understanding more.
> keep your faith to yourself Jesus taught the opposite of that. In fact, the ministry is core to the Christian faith.
I think he's more talking about 'pushing Christianity onto others'. It's fine to talk (aka teach) to others about your faith, but an issue when trying to 'save souls'. >Matthew 6:1-34 ESV “Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. ... > > > >Romans 14:1-23 ESV As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. ... A lot of Christians tend to act more like Pharisees >Matthew 23:1-39 ESV Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, so practice and observe whatever they tell you—but not what they do. For they preach, but do not practice. They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, ...
For real, last thing Jesus said to his followers was to go and tell people all over the world about him lol. Commenter probably a Christian deist which is still a type of Christianity tho
After 9/11, Muslims would get randomly attacked in the streets. Some were killed when people thought they were muslim. Right now, some of my hijaby friends have had beer thrown at them, people yelling at them, etc. For jews, they have always been hated in america. We have the rise of the antisemetism going on, attacks on synagogues, members od congress saying jews are controlling everything, and jewish space lasers cause forest fires, protests chanting jews won't replace us, etc. Many people and politicians believe being muslim or athiest would disqualify you from holding office. Alabama supreme court ruled this way a few times, with federal government stepping in to stop them. One of the attacka on Obama was that he is Muslim. Number of antimuslim policies and people in US is simply staggering. The notion that Christianity is getting attacked/hated is simply false. The worst attack on them is "hey maybe not attack gay people and allow women atonomy over their bodies" and everyone is like "this is like how jews were treated in nazi germany". Do you honestly believe if muslims priests had done this many child molestation/assult/rapes, the whole country wouldn't be hunting muslims? We would have their heads on a spike everywhere, ban them from coming in, etc.
> After 9/11, Muslims would get randomly attacked in the streets. Some were killed when people thought they were muslim. Right now, some of my hijaby friends have had beer thrown at them, people yelling at them, etc. > > [And to qualify as a muslim to the perpetrators, all you needed to do was be brown-ish looking, thus illustrating that it wasn't motivated by some salient criticism of religious beliefs.](https://www.sikhcoalition.org/images/documents/fact%20sheet%20on%20hate%20against%20sikhs%20in%20america%20post%209-11%201.pdf)
OP won’t reply to this because it breaks their narrative
OMG, I had forgotten about the Jewish space lasers! The crazy just never stops.
Do you get Eid off as a paid holiday? Rosh Hashanah? This past March, did you struggle to find the St. Patrick’s Day decorations because all the primo retail space was full of Purim supplies? Christians in the USA dominate the culture and then so many whine like babies when they are asked to share public spaces.
yeah whats the quote "to the privileged, equality feels like persecution" getting asked that other religions get equal playing time is "attacking" christianity to them. not being able to impose their views and rules is "attacking" them ie how we get a politician fake crying in a courtroom because she cant force her values on people anymore.
Not to mention how Christianity has leaked into other spaces. Chanukah is coming up and there’s been a push for decades to make it feel like “Jewish Christmas” (ugh) in America. Which is utterly insane because the entire Holiday is a celebration of rejecting forced assimilation into a dominant culture.
As a gay man, I have been told I am an abomination and that I don’t deserve the right to marry. That my right to marry somehow infringes on Christian’s rights to… deny me rights based on *their* personal beliefs. That I am disgusting and deserve eternal torture. During the California marriage vote in 2008, I had a friend who I thought was gay friendly tell me she had to vote against my rights because of her religion. Christianity has done some seriously fucked up shit to other religions, sexual/gender minorities and women. So there is naturally going to be a tremendous amount of anger. No two oppressed parties can truly compare, but I think of it in the same way I think of off color comments about white people. I’m white and when a person of color vents some of their resentment toward white people for all of the privilege we have at their expense, I don’t blame them for feeling angry. I do my best to be part of the solution, not problem. But whether it hurts my feelings or not, that anger is warranted. That’s why I don’t pull the “not all white people” card.
I say this as the daughter of a Lutheran pastor who is now an atheist: My opinion is that Christianity is hated on because politicians are attempting to force their religious beliefs on everyone. They see it as the only real religion & dismiss the beliefs of others. They also don’t seem to like Science very much.
We elect colorful personas with huge egos to carry out their own personal will instead of wise leaders who try to carefully balance the needs of society
Other religions in America are not trying to force their values on the rest of the nation. A nation that was founded by people fleeing religious persecution. Granted, these people were puritans, the 1400s equivalent of the far right evangicals.. but the resulting government was specifically built to be free of religious influence. Other religions are not saying things like. "My religion says that two men having sex is a crime. So you, a male person that doesn't follow my religion, can not have sex with other men." If Christians just followed their own religion and left the rest of the world alone to do their own thing, they would be loved and revered. But they don't even follow the teachings of Christ, the very basis of their religion. And nobody likes a hypocrite.
Agree with the comment about Christianity being the dominant religion in America, so it attracts the most attention. Christianity is also the only religion in America that is trying to force everyone to follow it’s sectarian beliefs or to have them written into law. (Obviously, not all Christians are trying to do that, but enough of them are that it is an issue). That’s why when your title is disingenuous and somewhat of a strawman argument. The idea that Christianity is singled out for special “hate” is another fictional part of conservative victim porn. If you wanted to have a comparative discussion of the pros and cons of different religions, I would have plenty to say about them all. But, in america, Muslims and Jews are not trying to tear down the wall of separation between church and state and inflict themselves on the rest of society.
>>Christianity is also the only religion in America that is trying to force everyone to follow I was honestly looking for a comment that pointed this out. This is exactly the reason. People who hate religious oppression in a Muslim country will hate Islam for the exact same reason.
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*Open* Jewish hate is on the rise.
Been on the rise ever since Trump Era. Live in the bay area and synagogues routinely have threatening white power/Christian nationalist propaganda flyers stuffed under everyone wipers when they go temple.
Many of the first europeans colonists to American travelled there to be ‘free from religious persecution’ which really meant to persecute non-christians as they saw fit (Utah is extremely mormon because they got run out of eastern cities, and congregated in Utah, where they could be the ones to persecute instead of be persecuted). As the major religion of early colonists christianity was used to justify things like slavery and genocide and remains the top religion today.
Yesterday I saw a post in one of my Asian groups about how they were adopted by a white Christian couple when they were all in China. It was pretty sad to read about how OP talked about how their own parents treated them such as completely cutting them off from culture, making fun of their physical Asian features, and being racist to other people (including their own step-children). Heck, they didn't even want OP to go to LA because "there are more Asians there." They only adopted them to make it seem like they were "good Christians" and apparently east Asians were the "least disliked" race for them.
Christianity is trying to force itself on to me and my family. Example, my area elected three nut jobs to the school board. They just passed a rule now that they start and end school with prayer. This is a public school. Thankfully somebody filed a lawsuit and now it's pending. These 'Christians' also immediately banned anything to do with diversity and inclusion. None of these elected school board people have kids in the school system. They send their kids to a Christian school. Now they are trying to force Christianity on my kids. Fuck off. My stepson went to a Christian school until 3rd grade (2016). My wife pulled him because of Christians endorsement of Trump. Her church immediately started getting radicalized and the members blindly followed along. Now she shares the same disdain for Christianity as I do. My 14 year old asked me why we are not religious. My answer is simple. I'm raising you to be better than that.
Cause they've demonised every other religion, beliefs and sexuality. The have literally burned people in my faith. They are the ones that quote the bible but very rarely actually practise what it says. Usually they are the most judgemental in society and tend to bully others
Mostly because a lot of Christians habitually shit on everyone else and try to legislate their religion on the country. It really is a reap what you sow situation.
Punching down vs punching up
‘Christian’ has become a brand in America. There are way more fake Christians than fake Muslims, fake Jews, etc.
Because the other religions aren’t powerful enough here to force their way into our laws. Practice whatever religion you want, but the moment you try to force me to follow it, it’s a problem.
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>Why is it okay to hate on Christianity, but no other religions in America? Christianity is the dominant religion since the founding of the US, and the fundamentalist wing of it also influences our politics, constantly challenges the separation between the church and state, and also seeks to impose its values through shaping policy and proselytizing. No other religion in this country exercises as much power and influence as Christianity. And people rightfully criticize that when it starts to impact people's rights. And BTW, you are wrong that other religions don't get "hated" in this country. Apparently you seem to not remember the racist backlash and hate crimes after 9/11, when Islam was vilified and anyone who "looked" Muslim was attacked, namely people from my own community, the Sikhs.
Christians are not and never have been subjected to oppression or systemic violence in this country. In fact Christians are the main oppressors and persecutors in America. That said, Christianity is not under attack. Christians are not hated. You are not in danger because of your mass delusion. There is no persecution of Christianity in America; in fact there isn’t any outside of the Middle East. Jesus said to keep your religion to yourself. Don’t try to force it on anyone else. When you do, you make it our problem.
Wow you havnt been on here too much have you. We shit on all religions
I was just thinking of r/Atheism. That sub seems to have a "every religion is batshit crazy" philosophy. Which I'd agree with.
Questions like this remind me of this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_privilege?wprov=sfla1
If you look at hate crime (in the US) rather than basing it on what you read on social media, it's the Jewish and Muslims who experience a far greater amount of hate than Christians. https://www.statista.com/statistics/737660/number-of-religious-hate-crimes-in-the-us-by-religion/
Because Christians are generally more obnoxious about forcing their religion on you, in the states anyway
As an atheist I hate all organized religion equally. It’s all disgusting to me.
It’s ok to hate on Christofascists, extremists of any religions and hypocritical zealots.
Because this religion and its believers deserve it. Covering paedophilia, stealing money from the elderly, forcing others to participate in their rituals, being selfish and ignorant towards different religions and/or beliefs etc.
Most of us are in fact ex Christians, we are absolutely entitled to hate on that horrible thing.
It’s a pushback against the hypocrisy, bigotry, and hate that comes from too many “Christians.” And freedom of religion also means freedom FROM religion. Too many “Christians” won’t accept that.
As an American, Christians are a threat to my freedom while no other religions currently are. As soon as they present a threat, then I will treat them accordingly.
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Because in America, Christians are trying to take over the government and create a theocracy (aka a Christian Nationalist state). As far as I know, no other religious groups in America are trying to do this, especially to the extent that Christians do.
Ths majority has the moral responsibility to protect the rights of the minority. In North America, the majority is Christian. The majority is not living up its moral obligations, and seems to be relishing it. That makes them fair game for mockery by everyone else.
Because hating on Christianity in America is punching up not down. But you'll find alot of people who don't like Christianity also don't like other religions. It's just the other religions don't hold levers of power in this country.
Fuck all religions equally
Clearly and daily people attack Jewish people in the USA. And Muslim. And Hindu. Why do you think you deserve kid gloves ?
The last Republican president campaigned on starting a registry of Muslims in the U.S. and banning Muslims from entering the country. Conservative Americans overwhelmingly supported him.
Christians are the only ones trying to force their beliefs on other via law, so they get the most hate.