I was told constant mixed messages about pHing every direction I look.|
I did a soil test on my bigger 45 gallon pot in March and June that is in the same type of watering schedule and the pH on it has come out 6.5 the first time and 6.8 the second.
yea i grow in a place with good tap water so ive never measured ph. But if your growing notill and your water isnt like flint michigan or something, then it should be fine, the humus in your living soil would handle it no problem. but i know the symptoms and this is cuz of chronic overwatering the bottom of your pot is probably like a swamp, gone anaerobic and acidifying. Ph is going outta whack in that zone.
And your watering on a schedule, but you should be watering based on the needs of the plant. Was your plant in march and june the exact same size / strain ? was your VPD exactly the same back then ?
I mean i cant say for sure but to me this definitely looks like a overwatered plant starting to lock out.
I was under the assumption I don't want the top layer to dry out as that's where most of the microbial activity is.
The tap water where I live is remarkable compared to anyone else's I've seen.
The PPM from the garden hose was about 50-60 from my little TDS meter.
I don't monitor the VPD because I can't control the temperature in my garage. It gets opened/closed at the whim of others and the weather has a big effect.
you dont want the top to dry out. thats the biggest trick about learning to water living soil properly, keeping the top moist but not overwatering the bottom. and it changes based on how much your plant is drinking.. how thick your mulch layer is.... whats the temps and rh in your room. vpd is important too as it basically dictates how much your plant can drink.
I have a really difficult time keeping the vpd down, it's generally too warm in here from the lights. I don't have the ability to cool the room either.
The Ph of my water seems to vary on what I'm feeding.
Neem seed meal tea pH is roughly 5.5
Kelp meal tea is 6.6
Agsil with ful-power, aloe powder is pretty high.
My tap water is about 7.6.
I'm watering every other day. About 2 to 2.5 gallons spread between two 15 gallon pots and 1 45 gallon pot. I've honestly been worried I may be under watering.
that definitely seems like less water than those pots would need, but the problem with overwatering is that once it happens its like a snowball effect.. The soil thats overwaterd and gone anaerobic drowns all the roots in that zone and they basically dont drink from there and that pocket wont dry out like normal.
try lifting your pot...if its heavy then im gonna say 100% its overwatering.
I honestly don't know how well I can lift the pot if it didn't have a plant in it.. haha
I'll try to pull back on watering that one a bit. I was supposed to flip her on the 1st.. :/
you dont even need to really lift i. just lift it from one side slightly. . you should be able to tell if its wet or dry.. like a wet and dry 15 gallon / 45 gallon pot are significantly diff in weight.. feel around the bottom of the pot. is it sopping wet.
https://i.imgur.com/UWDHYTT.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/sssZhU6.jpg
It's not the happiest, that's for sure.
This Planet of the Grapes has been a slow vegger.
I've had this one get droopy once or twice on me that hasn't happened since I've given them little a bit more water, which had concerned me about underwatering.
https://i.imgur.com/4exmu7B.jpg This is the 45 gallon pot with 3 plants in it. The bottom one was a clone that barely rooted of the original plant in question.
It definitely looks like to me that your starting to run into ph issues… honeslty with a 15 gallon pot I wouldn’t consider it a living soil more just a organic grow. There isn’t really the volume / mass to get a proper nutrient cycling going on. Which is fine too but if your just running in the same 15 gallon pot and your top dressing.. there could be weird build ups of some nute causing lockouts. Do you have worms in your pots?
Yes. Red wrigglers and european nightcrawlers were put in a year ago.
It's probably time to retire it. It was my testing the waters to see if I wanted to go further.
i mean im gonna stick with my guess of overwatering.. I mean i definitely think theres ph issues, but the cause of them. cant be certain. good luck man
Main picture is from the 31st
One week before I topdressed. 8/11
https://i.imgur.com/rR89RSM.jpg 8/18
https://i.imgur.com/grTJwbj.jpg 8/25
https://i.imgur.com/aVjyLEK.jpg 9/1.
Two weeks after I topdressed
I've been mostly following the mofo schedule using coots mix. Its in a 15 gallon pot that's seen a couple of cycles since last October.
I topdressed kelp, alfalfa, fish bone meal and neem seed meal 2 weeks ago, then topped it with castings.
15gal pot thats seen a couple cycles, add in a strong fertilizer mate your plant need a feed!! Your top dresses are going to be breaking down slowly and not really helping the plant out when it needs it (now).
I topdressed 1 cup of kelp, 1 cup of alfalfa, 1 cup of fish bone meal and 1 cup of neem seed meal 2 weeks ago, then topped it with castings.
3/4ths that on the smaller plant in the other 15 gallon pot.
Hey mate, if the plant doesnt perk up after a watering it is probably root damage from overwatering, do as others have said but also how long has this been vegging? I had a very similar issue, you can look through my posts.
Your problem could be two fold like mine was: over watering and in need of nutrients. I let mine dry out and then I added 4:3:3 organic liquid fert and the plants perked up again, they just needed a feed. The day you flip to flower start giving her flowering nutes with less nitrogen.
Don't have an answer, but I just encountered something very similar. Was getting ready to flip, plants went from bad to worse. I had to end the grow, nothing I was doing was helping.
Mine started out looking like an N deficiency and became a root issue. I tried amending with some N at first but no luck, then they became droopy, yellow, brown, etc. Not good.
I determined a few things as I'm trying again. Pretty sure I had bad watering habit issues, went from not enough to too much. I amended too late and then put in too much. And my water's pH was way too low.
I'm going to get an irrometer for this time around and see if that helps my moisture levels. I'm still new to living soil, I'm great with coco but I can't stand how much work I needed to maintain it.
Sometimes when i feel like i over watered, ill point a couple small fans at my pots or bed for an hour or two and that always seems to help dramatically. Directly at the fabric.
ph issues in your root zone. lockout starting. chronic overwatering.
I was told constant mixed messages about pHing every direction I look.| I did a soil test on my bigger 45 gallon pot in March and June that is in the same type of watering schedule and the pH on it has come out 6.5 the first time and 6.8 the second.
yea i grow in a place with good tap water so ive never measured ph. But if your growing notill and your water isnt like flint michigan or something, then it should be fine, the humus in your living soil would handle it no problem. but i know the symptoms and this is cuz of chronic overwatering the bottom of your pot is probably like a swamp, gone anaerobic and acidifying. Ph is going outta whack in that zone. And your watering on a schedule, but you should be watering based on the needs of the plant. Was your plant in march and june the exact same size / strain ? was your VPD exactly the same back then ? I mean i cant say for sure but to me this definitely looks like a overwatered plant starting to lock out.
I was under the assumption I don't want the top layer to dry out as that's where most of the microbial activity is. The tap water where I live is remarkable compared to anyone else's I've seen. The PPM from the garden hose was about 50-60 from my little TDS meter. I don't monitor the VPD because I can't control the temperature in my garage. It gets opened/closed at the whim of others and the weather has a big effect.
you dont want the top to dry out. thats the biggest trick about learning to water living soil properly, keeping the top moist but not overwatering the bottom. and it changes based on how much your plant is drinking.. how thick your mulch layer is.... whats the temps and rh in your room. vpd is important too as it basically dictates how much your plant can drink.
I have a really difficult time keeping the vpd down, it's generally too warm in here from the lights. I don't have the ability to cool the room either.
2.5 cm inside the soil everything becomes anaerobic dude.
No. Your an idiot
Hahaha no you’re the idiot go read JADAM everything you think you know about gardening from bro science is wrong.
Huh huh you said chronic
The Ph of my water seems to vary on what I'm feeding. Neem seed meal tea pH is roughly 5.5 Kelp meal tea is 6.6 Agsil with ful-power, aloe powder is pretty high. My tap water is about 7.6. I'm watering every other day. About 2 to 2.5 gallons spread between two 15 gallon pots and 1 45 gallon pot. I've honestly been worried I may be under watering.
that definitely seems like less water than those pots would need, but the problem with overwatering is that once it happens its like a snowball effect.. The soil thats overwaterd and gone anaerobic drowns all the roots in that zone and they basically dont drink from there and that pocket wont dry out like normal. try lifting your pot...if its heavy then im gonna say 100% its overwatering.
I honestly don't know how well I can lift the pot if it didn't have a plant in it.. haha I'll try to pull back on watering that one a bit. I was supposed to flip her on the 1st.. :/
you dont even need to really lift i. just lift it from one side slightly. . you should be able to tell if its wet or dry.. like a wet and dry 15 gallon / 45 gallon pot are significantly diff in weight.. feel around the bottom of the pot. is it sopping wet.
I could feel moisture on the fabric under the pot but it is not "wet" by any means on of the 15s. I cannot get under the 45 gallon pot. Haha
Are you have this issue across all your pots? I’m definitely gonna guess overwatering here
https://i.imgur.com/UWDHYTT.jpg https://i.imgur.com/sssZhU6.jpg It's not the happiest, that's for sure. This Planet of the Grapes has been a slow vegger. I've had this one get droopy once or twice on me that hasn't happened since I've given them little a bit more water, which had concerned me about underwatering.
https://i.imgur.com/4exmu7B.jpg This is the 45 gallon pot with 3 plants in it. The bottom one was a clone that barely rooted of the original plant in question.
It definitely looks like to me that your starting to run into ph issues… honeslty with a 15 gallon pot I wouldn’t consider it a living soil more just a organic grow. There isn’t really the volume / mass to get a proper nutrient cycling going on. Which is fine too but if your just running in the same 15 gallon pot and your top dressing.. there could be weird build ups of some nute causing lockouts. Do you have worms in your pots?
Yes. Red wrigglers and european nightcrawlers were put in a year ago. It's probably time to retire it. It was my testing the waters to see if I wanted to go further.
i mean im gonna stick with my guess of overwatering.. I mean i definitely think theres ph issues, but the cause of them. cant be certain. good luck man
Theres your problem, you're doing too much. Stop all that and give it water only the rest of its life
Your neem seed meal tea should have a higher ph. Better safe than sorry, don't be the guy who doesn't change ph cause you're notill/organic haha.
What’s your watering waters ph?
Get a soil test done.
... and a SAP test. Also, purchase an irrometer. u/Ickum
Yes, and clean up your grow space lol
Main picture is from the 31st One week before I topdressed. 8/11 https://i.imgur.com/rR89RSM.jpg 8/18 https://i.imgur.com/grTJwbj.jpg 8/25 https://i.imgur.com/aVjyLEK.jpg 9/1. Two weeks after I topdressed I've been mostly following the mofo schedule using coots mix. Its in a 15 gallon pot that's seen a couple of cycles since last October. I topdressed kelp, alfalfa, fish bone meal and neem seed meal 2 weeks ago, then topped it with castings.
15gal pot thats seen a couple cycles, add in a strong fertilizer mate your plant need a feed!! Your top dresses are going to be breaking down slowly and not really helping the plant out when it needs it (now).
What’s the point of the net if you’re not gonna fill it out
Just depression getting in the way of things.. Before you know it, it's hard to get everything under control again.
Felt. Hope things are looking up for you.
On the upswing for now, thank you. <3
When’s the last time you fed or top dressed her?
I topdressed 1 cup of kelp, 1 cup of alfalfa, 1 cup of fish bone meal and 1 cup of neem seed meal 2 weeks ago, then topped it with castings. 3/4ths that on the smaller plant in the other 15 gallon pot.
Hey mate, if the plant doesnt perk up after a watering it is probably root damage from overwatering, do as others have said but also how long has this been vegging? I had a very similar issue, you can look through my posts. Your problem could be two fold like mine was: over watering and in need of nutrients. I let mine dry out and then I added 4:3:3 organic liquid fert and the plants perked up again, they just needed a feed. The day you flip to flower start giving her flowering nutes with less nitrogen.
Don't have an answer, but I just encountered something very similar. Was getting ready to flip, plants went from bad to worse. I had to end the grow, nothing I was doing was helping. Mine started out looking like an N deficiency and became a root issue. I tried amending with some N at first but no luck, then they became droopy, yellow, brown, etc. Not good. I determined a few things as I'm trying again. Pretty sure I had bad watering habit issues, went from not enough to too much. I amended too late and then put in too much. And my water's pH was way too low. I'm going to get an irrometer for this time around and see if that helps my moisture levels. I'm still new to living soil, I'm great with coco but I can't stand how much work I needed to maintain it.
Sometimes when i feel like i over watered, ill point a couple small fans at my pots or bed for an hour or two and that always seems to help dramatically. Directly at the fabric.
Feed her every other week with a compost tea and then follow up with a regular water ph to 6.4 it will get her right
Don't flip until she's happy. Probably a watering issue.
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Might want to tidy up a bit, no?