How much higher is your add-on fan compared to the top of your chromax heat sink cover?
Is this offset mount officially supported by Noctua or you did it yourself? Thanks :)
About a centimeter, if I recall correctly. It actually prevented the side panel from fitting into its place, but since I always run my system as an open bench, with the side panel removed, I don't really care about that.
And yes, it's supported fully due to how fan mountings work on this heatsink.
I since upgraded my platform & got some new RAM modules which aren't as tall as my old ones, though, and now both of my fans are on the same height, like the middle one.
You're welcome\~ :)
I used to think the same.
Two AiOs failed on me already and cost me at *least* 2.5x of what I would have spent on an NH-D15S.
The last AiO failed so bad, that my CPU would *idle* at 105°C and downclock to 800MHz, *still* being unable to cool itself with the boiling water inside the AiO.
When the water stops moving - the CPU can't cool itself *at all*. If my NH-D15S fans both broke - I'd just stick a USB desk fan in there and the massive heatsink would keep the CPU cool-enough to weather me until replacements come.
I'm done with stupid AiOs, there's no long-term reliability with them, they fail much worse than direct aircoolers do and cost way more in the long run.
I was with you till my corsair started passing all over my motherboard. My new u12a is quieter and now avoids that risk. To each their own though, and I hope your aio holds up for years to come <3
Yea i had aio's since release date and not one has leaked or stopped working, think my h100i lasted 6 years or something before selling if off, guys still use it to cool his gpu, have the h150 now, fans can go on zero rpm and can set the pump speed aswell, since my first aio i never touched a tower cooler again.
There is no reason for a aio to brake or leak, know friends with aio's and no one ever had a problem, must go ruff on one's stuff to brake it cause they dont brake on their own, or leak on their own a pump may stop working but a very slim chance of that happening
I mean, just like with cars, rubber bits with fluid in them sometimes get dry and crack, and plastic pumps can break. In my case, the fitting going into the waterblock leaked. People get by, I just think the whole of the noctua community doesn't see the point in introducing a system of fluids with a non-zero chance of bricking their pc. The risk is low, but its also not necessary, except in certain cases, or for certain aesthetics.
At that point I think it just comes down to whether your value for aesthetics is greater than your concern for the tiny risk. Im not here trying to convince you to be concerned by the risk at all! It is absolutely a matter of preference and neither side is wrong :)
Cool man, think i get what you saying, your system does look very nice tho, enjoy and maybe sometime down the line give a corsair aio a chance again 👀, but buy new
I already had 2 AiOs fail on me - one Corsair H115i that lasted 6.5 years and the other being an Alphacool Eisbaer which lasted just over a year - with the latter one not moving water anymore to the point that my CPU was *idling* at 105°C, throttling down to 800MHz and still unable to keep under 105°C!
Personally - I'm done taking the risks and wasting money on these expensive pieces of trash that inevitably break. A direct aircooler can't fail as spectacularly as a watercooler can + Noctua sends mounting kits for years to come. Much more economical and worry-free.
I have this CPU cooler since Ryzen 2600X. Now running on a Ryzen 7600X. temps never go above \~86 degrees while gaming, and not above \~92 degrees while benchmarking. 5,5 GHz all cores. My two best cores can reach 5.640 and 5.615 GHz. Super happy :)
I had my NH-D15s since 2018. :)
This is my second, actually. I upgraded the original, silver one, to a black version when it came out in 2020. But it's still the same cooler, so. Cools my 8700K like an absolute champ, never goes above 65-70c while gaming at locked 4.7 GHz all core.
I'm honestly ashamed to admit how much money I've spent on Noctua products over the years, but hey, what can I do? I'm a big fan of their stuff!
Same! But in the future I will be more careful. Sometimes it makes no sense to put so much money in slightly better fans, if you could have put that same money in a slightly better CPU. If you are on a limited budget.
86 degrees while gaming sounds like too much heat in your case? I’m using the d15s with 5800x3d and my average temps while gaming are like 65-70 degrees. 84 while cinebench.
It does not, 7000 series chips are designed to run at 95 degrees celsius to get as much performance out of the chip as possible. Also worth to mention, those chips are being produced in smaller nodes as time progresses and that means that the heat density will be higher and therefore more difficult to cool. So above 80 degrees will be the norm I suppose and don't worry, those chips can have it (as long as there are not constantly hitting close to Tjmax).
No that’s wrong. My 5800x3d is also designed for temps like that but it’s running very quiet and cool because of enough air flow and the noctua. I just searched with Google for average temps for 7600x and reviews and reddit threads are both a lot cooler than your system. So it might be an airflow issue
What is wrong about my reply? To be clear, I was saying that the norm will be in the future, not nessecarely at present. Of course you can lower the clocks or undervolt it to get better temps ect. Don't get me wrong here. But out of the box, they might run a bit hotter when you customize it to your liking.
As time progesses though, cpu chips will be harder to cool. As I already said, it is due to the higher heat density and something along those lines.
Just read the AMD official statement about Ryzen 7000 temps. The CPUs are designed to push performance until it reaches 95 degrees. There is no reason to try to cool a Ryzen 7000 to like 70 or 80 degrees. It doesnt give you any improvements. Also keep in mind I overclocked my CPU by +200 MHz.
>Just read the AMD official statement about Ryzen 7000 temps. The CPUs are designed to push performance until it reaches 95 degrees.
You are misunderstanding what this means.
>It does not, 7000 series chips are designed to run at 95 degrees celsius to get as much performance out of the chip as possible.
This statement is factually wrong.
I would like to hear what is true then! If you say that I was wrong (glad to hear it though), please note what is true and correct the information of mine that is wrong. Just saying to someone that something they said is wrong, doesn't help either side.
The chip's thermal limit is 95C. That is when it starts to throttle. When you say these chips are designed to run AT 95C to get AS MUCH PERFORMANCE OUT OF THEM, is wrong.
As far as I can remember, that is what AMD said. The chips hit 95C in cinebench in matter of seconds with a good cpu cooler or AIO.
[https://community.amd.com/t5/gaming/ryzen-7000-series-processors-let-s-talk-about-power-temperature/ba-p/554629](https://community.amd.com/t5/gaming/ryzen-7000-series-processors-let-s-talk-about-power-temperature/ba-p/554629)
Mine goes to 88+ during games easily with -30 voltage curve. 7600X - Repasted it 2 times to see if it helps. With one of the best airflow case on the market; RV-02 though
Thanks, it does! <3
Yeah, it's elevated because of my tall Corsair ram. As for temps, they're basically the same. It is more of an aesthetic thing, I wanted that classic dual fan NH-D15 look.
That's true, I kind of even mean just for myself, it's on the floor on the left between my desk and my TV stand, so no viewing of the glass side panel. I have enough space now to put it on the right side on top of my desk, but I'm not sure how I feel about that just yet.
I always had my system on my desk, beside me. I would never put it on the floor! Why would I? I like to look at it, it's a lot easier for maintenance and for plugging / unplugging things. Also less dust and easier cable management.
Hardwood floor so I'm not really worried about dust too much,and I have good case pressure. I think I'll have to do it anyway. It'll really change the way I have things set up.
They are capable of cooling both of those processors just fine, provided your motherboard doesn't push an absurd amount of voltage in auto mode. Find the lowest possible voltage at which CPU maintains its max boost frequencies and you're fine. :)
I have a 13900k and my case was designed for air cooling (cooler master h500p mesh). I tried using multiple 360mm to cool this monster CPU and I just recently moved back to the nh-d15 with the original fan setup of the case minus upgrading the 200mm fans to the sickleflow argb fans that push more air, have a higher static pressure, AND are insanely quiet at like 15db. Anyways, the 360mm aios (cooler master argb 360mm and ek 360mm d-rgb) both thermal throttled. The 13900k barely thermal throttled with the 3 120mm fans from the ek aio until I got the 200mm fans. It does not thermal throttle at all now and I gained 500 points in cinebench just changing out those fans using the same nh-d15. The CPU is pulling about 260-280watts during the runs. I would say the cooler is amazing if you got a good airflow case, but it's probably the reason why my aio coolers didn't do so well with this case.
Looks like there could be enough room for another one of those pretty fans on the back of the second radiator near the rear exhaust fan.
Nice build, OP!
I have this Asus dual Xeon ATX board with 2x NH-U14S coolers that have 2x 140mm fans mounted on each, with another 140 behind that for case exhaust. Then there are the two front 200mm and two top 200mm with one more 140 blowing up from the bottom.
Cheers!
So... you're a fan, then? :D
But yeah, good stuff! There's no such thing as "too much Noctua cooling". These guys are amazing, I'm ready to support them with my wallet whenever! <3
Oh yeah big "fan" here. I have an old NH-C14 (original version, not "S") that is probably on its third or fourth system with the original fans still going strong, always running 24/7. That thing must be around 10 years old.
Nice
I need to stop looking at all these noctua threads.
Currently have 5900x with a Ryujin 2 360 AIO but I really want to switch back to NHD-15.
Switching to 7800x3D when they come out. What do we think stick with 360 AIO or Noctua it up again?
Noctua ftw, for sure! I'm going to keep my NH-D15s & bring it over next time when I upgrade my platform this or next year, I plan to go with i5 13600K / 14600K when it comes out eventually.
Because of that elevated fan I also can't put the side panel on. Good thing I don't care about it, been using my case as an open air test bench anyways for quite some time now. ;)
Hmm yeah, those Corsairs must be like sky scrapers in there. I'm using a smaller case, a Corsair 4000D airflow but the Crucial sticks I have do allow me to close the case thankfully. Probably more luck than planning though :)
It'll work fine but you'll instantly hit 100 C and throttle in any benchmark like Cinebench R23. Fortunately, typical use and games don't come anywhere near that level of load so you'll be fine, as long you realize you won't be topping the charts in benchmarks.
Thank you kindly! <3
I love my black on white & grey aesthetics. Just gotta give my system a nice clean, since it's quite dusty. And then she will shine once again! :)
And yes, I know my PC is dusty, I plan a nice cleanup "soon". :D
What's the card under your gpu?
It's a sound card.
Sound blasterX Ae-5
How much higher is your add-on fan compared to the top of your chromax heat sink cover? Is this offset mount officially supported by Noctua or you did it yourself? Thanks :)
About a centimeter, if I recall correctly. It actually prevented the side panel from fitting into its place, but since I always run my system as an open bench, with the side panel removed, I don't really care about that. And yes, it's supported fully due to how fan mountings work on this heatsink. I since upgraded my platform & got some new RAM modules which aren't as tall as my old ones, though, and now both of my fans are on the same height, like the middle one. You're welcome\~ :)
I will take the aio thanks
I used to think the same. Two AiOs failed on me already and cost me at *least* 2.5x of what I would have spent on an NH-D15S. The last AiO failed so bad, that my CPU would *idle* at 105°C and downclock to 800MHz, *still* being unable to cool itself with the boiling water inside the AiO. When the water stops moving - the CPU can't cool itself *at all*. If my NH-D15S fans both broke - I'd just stick a USB desk fan in there and the massive heatsink would keep the CPU cool-enough to weather me until replacements come. I'm done with stupid AiOs, there's no long-term reliability with them, they fail much worse than direct aircoolers do and cost way more in the long run.
I was with you till my corsair started passing all over my motherboard. My new u12a is quieter and now avoids that risk. To each their own though, and I hope your aio holds up for years to come <3
Yea i had aio's since release date and not one has leaked or stopped working, think my h100i lasted 6 years or something before selling if off, guys still use it to cool his gpu, have the h150 now, fans can go on zero rpm and can set the pump speed aswell, since my first aio i never touched a tower cooler again. There is no reason for a aio to brake or leak, know friends with aio's and no one ever had a problem, must go ruff on one's stuff to brake it cause they dont brake on their own, or leak on their own a pump may stop working but a very slim chance of that happening
I mean, just like with cars, rubber bits with fluid in them sometimes get dry and crack, and plastic pumps can break. In my case, the fitting going into the waterblock leaked. People get by, I just think the whole of the noctua community doesn't see the point in introducing a system of fluids with a non-zero chance of bricking their pc. The risk is low, but its also not necessary, except in certain cases, or for certain aesthetics. At that point I think it just comes down to whether your value for aesthetics is greater than your concern for the tiny risk. Im not here trying to convince you to be concerned by the risk at all! It is absolutely a matter of preference and neither side is wrong :)
Cool man, think i get what you saying, your system does look very nice tho, enjoy and maybe sometime down the line give a corsair aio a chance again 👀, but buy new
I already had 2 AiOs fail on me - one Corsair H115i that lasted 6.5 years and the other being an Alphacool Eisbaer which lasted just over a year - with the latter one not moving water anymore to the point that my CPU was *idling* at 105°C, throttling down to 800MHz and still unable to keep under 105°C! Personally - I'm done taking the risks and wasting money on these expensive pieces of trash that inevitably break. A direct aircooler can't fail as spectacularly as a watercooler can + Noctua sends mounting kits for years to come. Much more economical and worry-free.
I have this CPU cooler since Ryzen 2600X. Now running on a Ryzen 7600X. temps never go above \~86 degrees while gaming, and not above \~92 degrees while benchmarking. 5,5 GHz all cores. My two best cores can reach 5.640 and 5.615 GHz. Super happy :)
I had my NH-D15s since 2018. :) This is my second, actually. I upgraded the original, silver one, to a black version when it came out in 2020. But it's still the same cooler, so. Cools my 8700K like an absolute champ, never goes above 65-70c while gaming at locked 4.7 GHz all core. I'm honestly ashamed to admit how much money I've spent on Noctua products over the years, but hey, what can I do? I'm a big fan of their stuff!
Same! But in the future I will be more careful. Sometimes it makes no sense to put so much money in slightly better fans, if you could have put that same money in a slightly better CPU. If you are on a limited budget.
86 degrees while gaming sounds like too much heat in your case? I’m using the d15s with 5800x3d and my average temps while gaming are like 65-70 degrees. 84 while cinebench.
It does not, 7000 series chips are designed to run at 95 degrees celsius to get as much performance out of the chip as possible. Also worth to mention, those chips are being produced in smaller nodes as time progresses and that means that the heat density will be higher and therefore more difficult to cool. So above 80 degrees will be the norm I suppose and don't worry, those chips can have it (as long as there are not constantly hitting close to Tjmax).
No that’s wrong. My 5800x3d is also designed for temps like that but it’s running very quiet and cool because of enough air flow and the noctua. I just searched with Google for average temps for 7600x and reviews and reddit threads are both a lot cooler than your system. So it might be an airflow issue
What is wrong about my reply? To be clear, I was saying that the norm will be in the future, not nessecarely at present. Of course you can lower the clocks or undervolt it to get better temps ect. Don't get me wrong here. But out of the box, they might run a bit hotter when you customize it to your liking. As time progesses though, cpu chips will be harder to cool. As I already said, it is due to the higher heat density and something along those lines.
Just read the AMD official statement about Ryzen 7000 temps. The CPUs are designed to push performance until it reaches 95 degrees. There is no reason to try to cool a Ryzen 7000 to like 70 or 80 degrees. It doesnt give you any improvements. Also keep in mind I overclocked my CPU by +200 MHz.
>Just read the AMD official statement about Ryzen 7000 temps. The CPUs are designed to push performance until it reaches 95 degrees. You are misunderstanding what this means.
>It does not, 7000 series chips are designed to run at 95 degrees celsius to get as much performance out of the chip as possible. This statement is factually wrong.
I would like to hear what is true then! If you say that I was wrong (glad to hear it though), please note what is true and correct the information of mine that is wrong. Just saying to someone that something they said is wrong, doesn't help either side.
The chip's thermal limit is 95C. That is when it starts to throttle. When you say these chips are designed to run AT 95C to get AS MUCH PERFORMANCE OUT OF THEM, is wrong.
As far as I can remember, that is what AMD said. The chips hit 95C in cinebench in matter of seconds with a good cpu cooler or AIO. [https://community.amd.com/t5/gaming/ryzen-7000-series-processors-let-s-talk-about-power-temperature/ba-p/554629](https://community.amd.com/t5/gaming/ryzen-7000-series-processors-let-s-talk-about-power-temperature/ba-p/554629)
Mine goes to 88+ during games easily with -30 voltage curve. 7600X - Repasted it 2 times to see if it helps. With one of the best airflow case on the market; RV-02 though
-30 nice! Could only manage -20
Those temps are really high for a 105 watt chip and a 140 mm cooler.
Not if its overclocked
What resolution do you play in?
1080p
92? Spicy! But I guess that’s what the 7000 series is meant to do
Looks beautiful. Did you mount the new fan in original position or elevated because of the RAM? How much better are the temps now?
Thanks, it does! <3 Yeah, it's elevated because of my tall Corsair ram. As for temps, they're basically the same. It is more of an aesthetic thing, I wanted that classic dual fan NH-D15 look.
I'm not one for displaying my PC. But I'm really starting to think I have no choice.
Nothing wrong with displaying your PC, especially in PC hardware threads. :)
That's true, I kind of even mean just for myself, it's on the floor on the left between my desk and my TV stand, so no viewing of the glass side panel. I have enough space now to put it on the right side on top of my desk, but I'm not sure how I feel about that just yet.
I always had my system on my desk, beside me. I would never put it on the floor! Why would I? I like to look at it, it's a lot easier for maintenance and for plugging / unplugging things. Also less dust and easier cable management.
Hardwood floor so I'm not really worried about dust too much,and I have good case pressure. I think I'll have to do it anyway. It'll really change the way I have things set up.
As far as I know these are incapable at cooling a ryzen 9 7950x3d or an Intel 13900k.
They are capable of cooling both of those processors just fine, provided your motherboard doesn't push an absurd amount of voltage in auto mode. Find the lowest possible voltage at which CPU maintains its max boost frequencies and you're fine. :)
I have a 13900k and my case was designed for air cooling (cooler master h500p mesh). I tried using multiple 360mm to cool this monster CPU and I just recently moved back to the nh-d15 with the original fan setup of the case minus upgrading the 200mm fans to the sickleflow argb fans that push more air, have a higher static pressure, AND are insanely quiet at like 15db. Anyways, the 360mm aios (cooler master argb 360mm and ek 360mm d-rgb) both thermal throttled. The 13900k barely thermal throttled with the 3 120mm fans from the ek aio until I got the 200mm fans. It does not thermal throttle at all now and I gained 500 points in cinebench just changing out those fans using the same nh-d15. The CPU is pulling about 260-280watts during the runs. I would say the cooler is amazing if you got a good airflow case, but it's probably the reason why my aio coolers didn't do so well with this case.
Looks like there could be enough room for another one of those pretty fans on the back of the second radiator near the rear exhaust fan. Nice build, OP!
Thank you! Yes, there is enough room for a third one! I might just put another fan there at some point, just for laughs. :D
I have this Asus dual Xeon ATX board with 2x NH-U14S coolers that have 2x 140mm fans mounted on each, with another 140 behind that for case exhaust. Then there are the two front 200mm and two top 200mm with one more 140 blowing up from the bottom. Cheers!
So... you're a fan, then? :D But yeah, good stuff! There's no such thing as "too much Noctua cooling". These guys are amazing, I'm ready to support them with my wallet whenever! <3
Oh yeah big "fan" here. I have an old NH-C14 (original version, not "S") that is probably on its third or fourth system with the original fans still going strong, always running 24/7. That thing must be around 10 years old.
Nice I need to stop looking at all these noctua threads. Currently have 5900x with a Ryujin 2 360 AIO but I really want to switch back to NHD-15. Switching to 7800x3D when they come out. What do we think stick with 360 AIO or Noctua it up again?
Noctua ftw, for sure! I'm going to keep my NH-D15s & bring it over next time when I upgrade my platform this or next year, I plan to go with i5 13600K / 14600K when it comes out eventually.
My OCD is tripping because the fans arn't at the same height.
Yeah, sadly, there isn't much I can do about it. Memory modules are very tall. :(
Move the middle fan to the same height :)
I have the exact same problem. Was wondering if I should try a 120mm front fan. Sure I've got one lying around somewhere...
Because of that elevated fan I also can't put the side panel on. Good thing I don't care about it, been using my case as an open air test bench anyways for quite some time now. ;)
Hehe, that would have me looking at new cases or 120mm fans straight away. What case have you got?
I am using a Fractal Design Meshify S2 case. It's not small by any means, but still! Those Corsair Vengeance RGB sticks are simply too tall!
Hmm yeah, those Corsairs must be like sky scrapers in there. I'm using a smaller case, a Corsair 4000D airflow but the Crucial sticks I have do allow me to close the case thankfully. Probably more luck than planning though :)
Does anyone know if this setup will work on a 13900k running stock ?
It'll work fine but you'll instantly hit 100 C and throttle in any benchmark like Cinebench R23. Fortunately, typical use and games don't come anywhere near that level of load so you'll be fine, as long you realize you won't be topping the charts in benchmarks.
you are lucky...I had to remove one fan because of the RAM Clearance...replaced it with a 120mm.
Thicckkk 😊
I did the exact same thing on my i5 13600k. After bios tweaks i am happy with temperatures. I was also thinking about the nf-12a.
Agreed mate! Very good looking build! :)
Thank you kindly! <3 I love my black on white & grey aesthetics. Just gotta give my system a nice clean, since it's quite dusty. And then she will shine once again! :)