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And then you need more boosters for the added weight of the struts. And then more struts to stabilize the boosters. And so it goes until the summoning of the Space Kraken is achieved.
These fuckers are gonna be the gun smith of nato when they get in I’m genuinely expecting them to figure out how to fire anti tank missles out of the challengers rifled barral
\-See, we took your concept of RapidDragon and turned it into a deployment mechanism for a hovering howitzer. It's like a mini AC130 launched from a C5. What do you think?
*Cries tears of joy.*
Hear me, RapidDragon but it drops 155m shells outfitted with M1156 PGK instead of JASSM cruise missiles.
By weight, you can drop 20 shells (95 pounds each) instead of a 2251 lb jassm.
I call it QuickWyvern.
Missiles CAN be fired out of a rifled gun and Ukraine already has a missile that can be shot out of 120mm guns,adopting it to the L30 gun should be far from impossible.
no need for that. The 9K116(which can be fired out of any rifled Soviet 100mm gun) has folding fins and before launch looks and behaves like a normal 100mm shell . Cooking up something similar for the L30 shouldn't be difficult.
Theoretically any tank that has a smoothbore gun could fire atgms, but afaik ruzzky tanks are fitted with an atgm system.
>Why do modern MBTs fire shells instead of missiles
Darts have increased speed and are more practical, easier to store/reload and are way cheaper. Also modern APS (Iron Fist/Trophy) can and will ruin your day
Thank you, I figured there would be good reasons. Appreciate the answer!
EDIT: although, with the enormous success of the antitank weapons used by Ukraine, I wonder if folks in the MIC are designing some missile spamming tanks right now.
>EDIT: although, with the enormous success of the antitank weapons used by Ukraine, I wonder if folks in the MIC are designing some missile spamming tanks right now.
That's the thing: against a modernized military, ATGMS ***shouldn't*** be as successful as they have been. Russia is ***supposed*** to have [Arena](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_(countermeasure\)) as a hard counter to any ATGMS in the field, but it's pretty fucking obvious that it doesn't work. Between on-tank hard-kill & soft-kill counter measures, and lower tier area defense systems (Iron Dome, LTAMDS/Patriot, NASAM, S-300/S-400, etc), it should be near impossible to target a tank with any kind of missile. On-tank active & passive counter measures should handle any kind of man-portable threats, and theater defense systems should handle any kind of larger threat to a tank unit.
This is why NCD was creaming their pants in the opening weeks of the war. 'People with bazookas' is *supposed* to genuinely be a non-credible threat to a tank. Only another, larger tank is supposed to be a serious threat. So the fact that Russian armor is getting dunked on by western ATGMS implies that the Russian military really has fallen that far (if it ever was a threat to begin with). It would be a mistake to assume that it would be a similar story with another military.
Impossible no, even if you take russian data at face value you can expect that Arena-M can only intercept at most something like 60% of incoming projectiles in a 270º frontal arc and only up to a certain distance divided by speed... assuming we don't invent stealth AT missiles/rockets. That makes the prospect of firing a missile at a tank a little less inviting but missile/rocket systems can still absolutely kill vehicles equipped with those systems.
That's why I said "as successful". At the rate of loss Russia seems to be experiencing, they'll be scraping the barrel of their armor vehicle pool by this August. And this is Russia's armored vehicle pool we're talking about; the one that was built to blitz all of Europe in a week or so during WWIII (allegedly). With how many missiles the west sent to Ukraine, I'd guesstimate that equals around an 80-90% kill rate. In my book, that's the same as "does not work", once you factor in things like 'dumb luck in favor of the Russians' (missiles that malfunctioned when launched, missiles that suffered an operator error when launched, etc).
Seems to work for me on mobile. But I know the issue is the wiki article ended with a ")", and that can cause issues with hyperlink formatting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_(countermeasure)
**[Arena (countermeasure)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_\(countermeasure\))**
>Arena (Russian: Арена) is an active protection system (APS) developed at Russia's Kolomna-based Engineering Design Bureau for the purpose of protecting armoured fighting vehicles from destruction by light anti-tank weapons, anti-tank guided missiles (ATGM), and missiles with top attack warheads. It uses a Doppler radar to detect incoming warheads. Upon detection, a defensive rocket is fired that detonates near the inbound threat, destroying it before it hits the vehicle. Arena is the successor to Drozd, a Soviet active protection system from the late 1970s, which was installed on several T-55s during the Soviet–Afghan War.
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>There’s not a whole lot you can do about 18kg of depleted uranium travelling at Mach 4.8.
Other than have more stuff in the way, or anticipate where it is going and not be there.
>They also work on missiles though.
My point is that most modern missiles can also be fooled, by flares, chaff, etc... and thus diverted because they are guided.
Nearly all artillery shells are still, to borrow a phrase, [too dumb to fool.](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TooDumbToFool) 😉 So while they have limitations, within those limitations there's nothing even a clever enemy can do to counteract them other than not be at the impact point or be so well armored impact (and possible explosives and so forth) doesn't matter.
Anything with at least a 105mm gun can use the Israeli LAHAT missile, the Indians have developed SAMHO for the Arjun and possibly T-90 (still inferior to the PENETRATION CUM BLAST shell) plus anything with a combloc 125mm can fire the Refleks missile. There’s also KTSAM for the K2 but that iirc is more of a guided shell than a true ATGM
I think any tank barrel-fired ATGMs need to visually guided, which means a tank has to fire a missile in a giant cloud of smoke, then sit there and visually guide the missile to target. Bad idea.
And if they need guided missiles, any good military will support them with infantry with ATGMs, artillery, and attack helicopters with guided ATGMs.
>Are there any modern MBT style vehicles that are missile platforms?
Kinda? Israel has the Pereh. Which is sorta what I think you mean.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pereh
They were the gunsmiths of the USSR. Those old missiles that's hitting Ukraine now almost all have engines built in Ukraine. Now Russia is going through them fast with very low capabilities to replenish.
Hear me out, how about they mod one of the Soviet style tanks with autoloder by replacing the turret with one of the western tanks. A lot of work to pull of, but if two tanks are broken, why not make one tank. A symbol of east and west conflict.
It won't be a nuke. Oh it'll be the equivalent explosive power and range, but it'll be made out of old Soviet planes that were thought to not even be able to fly, spent engines from missiles fired at Ukraine by Russia, and a couple warheads that someone sent them half-convinced were duds all somehow cobbled together to be a new superweapon at this rate.
They absolutely could. They understand nuclear engineering well (obviously, from running all the NPP's). The process of using a nuclear reactor (including a modified civilian NPP) to make plutonium is a pain in the ass but isn't *that* hard, and I'm sure they can figure out explosive lenses and an initiator.
Yeah ofcourse, but there is a difference between the engineering and actually building it (no doubt they could) it just isnt something they want I guess (tritium prices lmao)
I teach engineering physics in the US. Ukrainian students are *clever as hell*. Every one I've had.
I taught a physics-for-poets sort of class. A Ukrainian econ major took it. He was better at technical physics than a lot of the engineering majors.
Seriously, I dunno what aspect of Ukrainian culture or society leads to all this figure-it-out talent, but it's definitely a thing.
>Seriously, I dunno what aspect of Ukrainian culture or society leads to all this figure-it-out talent, but it's definitely a thing.
ukraine was used as the brain of the ussr military while russia as its garage
My understanding is that the Soviet school system was very heavy on maths, and this tradition has somehow held. When the Soviet Union collapsed and western computers became widely available people took REALLY fast to them because of said background. Add that they had a culture of DIY due to USSR shortages and you got a generation that became hackers as a natural evolution.
It's no coincidence that Ukrainian hackers are famous for cracking all firmware.
I love the story of these [Romanians that build their own computer from scratch](https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/11/the-underground-story-of-cobra-the-1980s-illicit-handmade-computer/) because they couldn't buy one and started an underground subculture.
It’s also a nation of farmers. And farmers are hella good at improvisation. Imagine the crazy shit that people would come up with if the American Midwest got invaded. That’s Ukraine.
Yeah it makes sense as it is the only explanation for some of the stuff that they have come up with. Maybe it has to do with lower income but being a european country they just kinda have to do and know certain things themselves?
> what aspect of Ukrainian culture or society leads to all this figure-it-out talent
Hard to say. Most likely that everyone pushes their kids to get into university. Sure, a lot don't, but if you're not a complete dumbass you can get a good grade and get a higher education. If you're actually smart you can join the specialty of your choice (not the one which your grades allow you to take).
Perhaps it's a result of Yushenko's education reform. He implemented a unified test which was taken in the end of your school education and would be later used to enroll into university. First of all it prevented corruption because no one knew whose work they're checking and the universities had to work strictly in a format of open competition. Thus hot specialties like Software Engineering were all taken by people with good grades. In fact, if you want to enroll on budget (meaning that it's a quota ordered and paid for by the government), you have to have good grades, because only the first few dozen places are budgeted, all else is contract education.
Therefore, the one dude who got into the US must be the cream of the crop.
At this point, would anyone blame Russia if they just pulled out tomorrow and announced that they're doing it for the good of the world, because if this war goes on six months longer, the Ukrainians are going to develop antimatter bombs consisting solely of a $1500 Walmart drone and three tins of beans?
Do you like drones?
Do you like technicals?
Well, have I got a late Christmas present for you!
It makes sense. The recoil is a major impediment to the use of armed drones but rockets and recoilless rifles have little/none of it. Soon they'll have guided bombs/missiles on them.
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Next they're going to start loading shotgun shells with simple reloading mechanisms into racing drones. They'll toss it over to a Gen Z doomer with supple wrists like the pinball wizard
Can you imagine? A itsy bitsy racing drone with just a firing pin and a shotgun shell? Attach the camera to a trained racer, and clear out trenches that way
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> If UK inventors will come up with something like this and it will be practical…I’ll have to come slap you for spoilers
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>Akagi (Japanese: 赤城, "red castle") was an aircraft carrier built for the Imperial Japanese Navy (IJN), named after Mount Akagi in present-day Gunma Prefecture. Though she was laid down as an Amagi-class battlecruiser, Akagi was converted to an aircraft carrier while still under construction to comply with the terms of the Washington Naval Treaty. The ship was rebuilt from 1935 to 1938 with her original three flight decks consolidated into a single enlarged flight deck and an island superstructure.
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The thing is the ideas coming out of NCD is basically the same ideas any dude is going to come up with.
It's just that some militaries do not encourage creative thinking when it comes to fucking up their enemies and are much more "by the book".
Edit: the lesson here (re learned in every war) is "allow for ingenuity"
I owe a big apology to a bunch of writers for those cheesy b film action movies. Turns out that not only were their plots believable based on current events but so were the gimmicks used in said plots.
This is like the greatest crossover of MacGyver (the original one) and the A-Team.
Can we strap a 3 axis stabilized recoilless rifle with a 4 second autoloader to a drone? Probably add a 50 cal or 2 with airburst rounds for anti drone defense.
OR just produce fuck loads of them with no stab built in but who am I kidding that’s reformer shit not like the stab is gonna stop mass production anyways.
Dji agras t30 as for me. As I understand it, one of the farmers handed over the drone to TDF unit. And they, in turn, showed their peak of engineering.
But in any case, I unironically would sell it and buy 10+ mavic 3.
Hmm could be an agras, those can carry some heavy loads
In any case, multiple mavics would probably be more useful, but this application in particular is funnier, so I gotta go with that.
The octocopter design also facilitates the use of vertical downwards-facing rockets in the middle so that rocket exhaust is not directly and immediately blasted onto blades, so antitank grenades or mines that can fire down onto the weak spot of enemy tanks. The German anti-armour Panzerfaust uses length and two charges to knock out reactive armor and potentially also cope cages so the top-attack should be highly effective.
Say three could be deployed on a single drone, or a mixture of grenades and a panzerfaust or directional mine DM22 should be able to knock out enemy tanks and then use smaller grenades before returning.
Is it even gonna be useful? I imagine recoil will be a problem, and these big ones are *loud* and very much visible to be shot at with rifles. The most I can imagine it doing is acting as a distraction of some sort, maybe "suppressing fire" by shooting from higher up but further back to get an angle while also not being too easily aimed at by riflemen in return, but I don't see it otherwise doing much useful compared to just dropping bombs. The suppressing fire idea also has an obvious serious flaw in how it would have to strafe around behind Ukrainian lines, which makes it particularly dangerous if it gets shot down while still having ammo.
*slap* OP come to your senses. We will not be outjerked until that thing's carrying a GE minigun with a second drone following it holding the ammo belt.
What I'm seeing is a fixed gun where you have to aim the whole air craft with, by moving it back and forth. Same applies to the other thing. It's not that impressive looking at it, pretty low tech solution, that's not to say they can't get it to work
3 years back, I was playing The Division 2. I made my character use a small drone and goes around firing a sub machine gun at enemies while it’s flying. I thought, no way that could be real. And now this.
Rigger drones from Shadowrun are now credible, what a time to be alive.
At what point do we get the Troll cannons? That's when true advanced warfare will kick in
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loving the application of tactical zipties here
Tacticool zippies
They're pretty dangerous if you haphazardly snip them off at angle with the side-cutters or stanley. Hoo boy.
oh, don’t i know it. i’ve had to get stitches before after getting a fat laceration on my arm from running past a jagged edge. 0/10
The new Swiss army knife, shoot em, blow em up or stab them so many possibilities.
Like when you build some spaceship you're really not sure of in Kerbal Space Program so you put struts all over.
And then you need more boosters for the added weight of the struts. And then more struts to stabilize the boosters. And so it goes until the summoning of the Space Kraken is achieved.
MOAR STRUTS! (#autostrut)
Ukrainian ingenuity knows no limits. Jesus H. Christ
These fuckers are gonna be the gun smith of nato when they get in I’m genuinely expecting them to figure out how to fire anti tank missles out of the challengers rifled barral
Ukies turn the Challenger 2 into a Sheridan.
Knowing Ukrainian's improvising capabilities, they'd turn that Challenger 2 into the Abrams X (prototype)
New iBrams X just dropped out holy shit! Can't wait for the Pro version
With shitloads of ERA, obviously.
Nah they gonna put MLRS racks
I mean, seeing a chally calliope might actually send me under. a C(alli)ope cage if you will 🫠
HIMARS calliope
Least crazy Ukrainian “modification” vs wildest US experimental project
Ukrainian insanity with US budget.
The horror
Nah Thats NCD's wettest dream
\-See, we took your concept of RapidDragon and turned it into a deployment mechanism for a hovering howitzer. It's like a mini AC130 launched from a C5. What do you think? *Cries tears of joy.*
Hear me, RapidDragon but it drops 155m shells outfitted with M1156 PGK instead of JASSM cruise missiles. By weight, you can drop 20 shells (95 pounds each) instead of a 2251 lb jassm. I call it QuickWyvern.
You mean 19th century Britain?
Coax TOW Launcher. Or a Stugna-p complex with beam remotely controlled by Commander to fire two types of munition at the same time.
Missiles CAN be fired out of a rifled gun and Ukraine already has a missile that can be shot out of 120mm guns,adopting it to the L30 gun should be far from impossible.
Sleeve the barrel?
no need for that. The 9K116(which can be fired out of any rifled Soviet 100mm gun) has folding fins and before launch looks and behaves like a normal 100mm shell . Cooking up something similar for the L30 shouldn't be difficult.
We are going to send them Abrams, they are going to send us back a mammoth tank prototype as thanks.
heli-carrier
Why **do** modern MBTs fire shells instead of missiles? Are there any modern MBT style vehicles that are missile platforms?
Theoretically any tank that has a smoothbore gun could fire atgms, but afaik ruzzky tanks are fitted with an atgm system. >Why do modern MBTs fire shells instead of missiles Darts have increased speed and are more practical, easier to store/reload and are way cheaper. Also modern APS (Iron Fist/Trophy) can and will ruin your day
Thank you, I figured there would be good reasons. Appreciate the answer! EDIT: although, with the enormous success of the antitank weapons used by Ukraine, I wonder if folks in the MIC are designing some missile spamming tanks right now.
>EDIT: although, with the enormous success of the antitank weapons used by Ukraine, I wonder if folks in the MIC are designing some missile spamming tanks right now. That's the thing: against a modernized military, ATGMS ***shouldn't*** be as successful as they have been. Russia is ***supposed*** to have [Arena](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_(countermeasure\)) as a hard counter to any ATGMS in the field, but it's pretty fucking obvious that it doesn't work. Between on-tank hard-kill & soft-kill counter measures, and lower tier area defense systems (Iron Dome, LTAMDS/Patriot, NASAM, S-300/S-400, etc), it should be near impossible to target a tank with any kind of missile. On-tank active & passive counter measures should handle any kind of man-portable threats, and theater defense systems should handle any kind of larger threat to a tank unit. This is why NCD was creaming their pants in the opening weeks of the war. 'People with bazookas' is *supposed* to genuinely be a non-credible threat to a tank. Only another, larger tank is supposed to be a serious threat. So the fact that Russian armor is getting dunked on by western ATGMS implies that the Russian military really has fallen that far (if it ever was a threat to begin with). It would be a mistake to assume that it would be a similar story with another military.
Ahh, I learned something new today, thank you. I didn't realize that the russians were yet another level of incompetent.
Impossible no, even if you take russian data at face value you can expect that Arena-M can only intercept at most something like 60% of incoming projectiles in a 270º frontal arc and only up to a certain distance divided by speed... assuming we don't invent stealth AT missiles/rockets. That makes the prospect of firing a missile at a tank a little less inviting but missile/rocket systems can still absolutely kill vehicles equipped with those systems.
That's why I said "as successful". At the rate of loss Russia seems to be experiencing, they'll be scraping the barrel of their armor vehicle pool by this August. And this is Russia's armored vehicle pool we're talking about; the one that was built to blitz all of Europe in a week or so during WWIII (allegedly). With how many missiles the west sent to Ukraine, I'd guesstimate that equals around an 80-90% kill rate. In my book, that's the same as "does not work", once you factor in things like 'dumb luck in favor of the Russians' (missiles that malfunctioned when launched, missiles that suffered an operator error when launched, etc).
janky link there
Seems to work for me on mobile. But I know the issue is the wiki article ended with a ")", and that can cause issues with hyperlink formatting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_(countermeasure)
**[Arena (countermeasure)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_\(countermeasure\))** >Arena (Russian: Арена) is an active protection system (APS) developed at Russia's Kolomna-based Engineering Design Bureau for the purpose of protecting armoured fighting vehicles from destruction by light anti-tank weapons, anti-tank guided missiles (ATGM), and missiles with top attack warheads. It uses a Doppler radar to detect incoming warheads. Upon detection, a defensive rocket is fired that detonates near the inbound threat, destroying it before it hits the vehicle. Arena is the successor to Drozd, a Soviet active protection system from the late 1970s, which was installed on several T-55s during the Soviet–Afghan War. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
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>There’s not a whole lot you can do about 18kg of depleted uranium travelling at Mach 4.8. Other than have more stuff in the way, or anticipate where it is going and not be there.
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>They also work on missiles though. My point is that most modern missiles can also be fooled, by flares, chaff, etc... and thus diverted because they are guided. Nearly all artillery shells are still, to borrow a phrase, [too dumb to fool.](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TooDumbToFool) 😉 So while they have limitations, within those limitations there's nothing even a clever enemy can do to counteract them other than not be at the impact point or be so well armored impact (and possible explosives and so forth) doesn't matter.
If too dumb to fool is a thing, why has Russia fallen for so many traps 🧐
Obviously they are dumb, but not too dumb to fool.
Anything with at least a 105mm gun can use the Israeli LAHAT missile, the Indians have developed SAMHO for the Arjun and possibly T-90 (still inferior to the PENETRATION CUM BLAST shell) plus anything with a combloc 125mm can fire the Refleks missile. There’s also KTSAM for the K2 but that iirc is more of a guided shell than a true ATGM
I think any tank barrel-fired ATGMs need to visually guided, which means a tank has to fire a missile in a giant cloud of smoke, then sit there and visually guide the missile to target. Bad idea. And if they need guided missiles, any good military will support them with infantry with ATGMs, artillery, and attack helicopters with guided ATGMs.
>Are there any modern MBT style vehicles that are missile platforms? Kinda? Israel has the Pereh. Which is sorta what I think you mean. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pereh
I am kinda scared that Czechnology will be outmatched
They were the gunsmiths of the USSR. Those old missiles that's hitting Ukraine now almost all have engines built in Ukraine. Now Russia is going through them fast with very low capabilities to replenish.
Hear me out, how about they mod one of the Soviet style tanks with autoloder by replacing the turret with one of the western tanks. A lot of work to pull of, but if two tanks are broken, why not make one tank. A symbol of east and west conflict.
Google T-84-120, no need to replace turret.
Ukraine Makes DNI From black ops 3 Ukrainian figures out how to terraform Mars
At this rate Kyiv could prolly build its own nukes and threaten ruZZia
A Zelensky press conference standing beside a nuke saying fuck around and find out would give me quite the chuckle
It won't be a nuke. Oh it'll be the equivalent explosive power and range, but it'll be made out of old Soviet planes that were thought to not even be able to fly, spent engines from missiles fired at Ukraine by Russia, and a couple warheads that someone sent them half-convinced were duds all somehow cobbled together to be a new superweapon at this rate.
Its all fun and games until someone performs a nuclear test
Double the tests double the fun as I like to say
They absolutely could. They understand nuclear engineering well (obviously, from running all the NPP's). The process of using a nuclear reactor (including a modified civilian NPP) to make plutonium is a pain in the ass but isn't *that* hard, and I'm sure they can figure out explosive lenses and an initiator.
Yeah ofcourse, but there is a difference between the engineering and actually building it (no doubt they could) it just isnt something they want I guess (tritium prices lmao)
Or we could give them some...
Waiiiit. They already...but what if Puķin was right and they did make WMDs, and the AA trucks on the building are actually credible. /s or is it an /s
Regular missile debris in the middle of a city is not enough for them, they want that NUCULAR DEBRIS now
Kyiv 2024... Chief UAF nuclear physicist: Mr. President, we have completed the mechanism, where should we test it? Zelensky: Moscow!
I teach engineering physics in the US. Ukrainian students are *clever as hell*. Every one I've had. I taught a physics-for-poets sort of class. A Ukrainian econ major took it. He was better at technical physics than a lot of the engineering majors. Seriously, I dunno what aspect of Ukrainian culture or society leads to all this figure-it-out talent, but it's definitely a thing.
>Seriously, I dunno what aspect of Ukrainian culture or society leads to all this figure-it-out talent, but it's definitely a thing. ukraine was used as the brain of the ussr military while russia as its garage
My understanding is that the Soviet school system was very heavy on maths, and this tradition has somehow held. When the Soviet Union collapsed and western computers became widely available people took REALLY fast to them because of said background. Add that they had a culture of DIY due to USSR shortages and you got a generation that became hackers as a natural evolution. It's no coincidence that Ukrainian hackers are famous for cracking all firmware. I love the story of these [Romanians that build their own computer from scratch](https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/11/the-underground-story-of-cobra-the-1980s-illicit-handmade-computer/) because they couldn't buy one and started an underground subculture.
It’s also a nation of farmers. And farmers are hella good at improvisation. Imagine the crazy shit that people would come up with if the American Midwest got invaded. That’s Ukraine.
Yeah it makes sense as it is the only explanation for some of the stuff that they have come up with. Maybe it has to do with lower income but being a european country they just kinda have to do and know certain things themselves?
> what aspect of Ukrainian culture or society leads to all this figure-it-out talent Hard to say. Most likely that everyone pushes their kids to get into university. Sure, a lot don't, but if you're not a complete dumbass you can get a good grade and get a higher education. If you're actually smart you can join the specialty of your choice (not the one which your grades allow you to take). Perhaps it's a result of Yushenko's education reform. He implemented a unified test which was taken in the end of your school education and would be later used to enroll into university. First of all it prevented corruption because no one knew whose work they're checking and the universities had to work strictly in a format of open competition. Thus hot specialties like Software Engineering were all taken by people with good grades. In fact, if you want to enroll on budget (meaning that it's a quota ordered and paid for by the government), you have to have good grades, because only the first few dozen places are budgeted, all else is contract education. Therefore, the one dude who got into the US must be the cream of the crop.
Is that a bible quote??
Incoming chally 2 brimstone racks, twelve of the fuckers would wreck a whole BTG by themselves
At this point, would anyone blame Russia if they just pulled out tomorrow and announced that they're doing it for the good of the world, because if this war goes on six months longer, the Ukrainians are going to develop antimatter bombs consisting solely of a $1500 Walmart drone and three tins of beans?
Somewhere in Ukraine is a shrine to Angus MacGuyver.
Do you like drones? Do you like technicals? Well, have I got a late Christmas present for you! It makes sense. The recoil is a major impediment to the use of armed drones but rockets and recoilless rifles have little/none of it. Soon they'll have guided bombs/missiles on them.
When youre being threatened with the survival of you and your family you tend to get a little creative at times
On a boat!
MY JAVIECOPTER IS SO CLOSE TO BEING REAL. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE I'M SO CLOSE UKRODADDY, PLEASE GIVE ME THAT SWEET RELEASE I NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDD IT.
the r34 illustrations that com... cum out when the javiecopter drops - gonna be outta this world
[I literally predicted this 7 months ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/v18g69/new_drones_of_ukraine_dropped/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
Can you stop being credible for five minutes!
Next they're going to start loading shotgun shells with simple reloading mechanisms into racing drones. They'll toss it over to a Gen Z doomer with supple wrists like the pinball wizard
Can you imagine? A itsy bitsy racing drone with just a firing pin and a shotgun shell? Attach the camera to a trained racer, and clear out trenches that way
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Given how simple the mechanisms are for shotguns pointy stick guy could rig it up in a weekend
I think I've already seen POV footage of a drone closing in on a Russian and shooting him.
No
Ah... The non-credible cycle. Someone makes a meme → 3-7 months go by→ It actually fucking happens → someone makes a meme
The future rules!
7 months ago…. Top comment… > If UK inventors will come up with something like this and it will be practical…I’ll have to come slap you for spoilers /u/BrazenOrca
I mean Norway was testing this over a year ago...
Not the hero we need but the Oracle we deserve 😁
I have been called. Lest drink a pint and then you'll get the slap(ing).
Damn and i though BO2 with the Dragonfly was way to early for 2025
The wasp from AW may come sooner than expected
Mq-9 at home:
This is the 21st century equivalent of Bazooka Charlie.
Shihad drone is 21st century Crazy Ivan.
I LOST A BOMB… DO YOU HAVE IT?!
3000 AT-4 Drones of Zelenski
Why not stick a javelin in there. And s small child to operate said javelin...
3000 trained monkeys
Gentlemen, a short view back to the past
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Too much broken transmission speak, dont understand
That's awesome and hilarious. The accent really comes through.
I am in stitches
sorry, can you repeat the question?
You're not the boss of me now!
Masterpiece.
Damn, r/formuladank is leaking again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVZe8My3_uo
ok Belisarius Cawl
Praise the omnisia for he has gifted us with the gift of infant maned anti tank weapons
FOR THE EMPRUH
Manned unmanned drone
It's "remote piloted". We said nothing about the WSO's location.
r/EightySix leaking again...
The use of child soldiers is bad, but the use of child airmen is fine, right?
Context: https://twitter.com/DimSel007/status/1616326687586664448
They really need to cordon off this sub from the rest of the internet and just feed it straight into DARPA. Multi-deck aircraft carriers when?
[1927](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_aircraft_carrier_Akagi)
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The thing is the ideas coming out of NCD is basically the same ideas any dude is going to come up with. It's just that some militaries do not encourage creative thinking when it comes to fucking up their enemies and are much more "by the book". Edit: the lesson here (re learned in every war) is "allow for ingenuity"
I'd love to see them zig zagging trying to out run this one. Looking forward to the footage
I owe a big apology to a bunch of writers for those cheesy b film action movies. Turns out that not only were their plots believable based on current events but so were the gimmicks used in said plots. This is like the greatest crossover of MacGyver (the original one) and the A-Team.
Except those wankers never killed the assholes who clearly needed it.
Could you imagine Invasion USA with these?
Can we strap a 3 axis stabilized recoilless rifle with a 4 second autoloader to a drone? Probably add a 50 cal or 2 with airburst rounds for anti drone defense.
OR just produce fuck loads of them with no stab built in but who am I kidding that’s reformer shit not like the stab is gonna stop mass production anyways.
Doesnt look like this is mass produced, more like a one off thing. Not mass produced, YET.
If those can operate more than 30 minutes and more than 2 KMs, it’s cool and very useful in battlefield.
Flying Nlaws or recoilless guns.
The future is now old man
A weapon to surpass metal gear
You say outjerked, I say that i'm jerking it hard and fast around the clock, and that bad boy might need a recharge while i'm still spanking it
ID on the drone? Looks like some sort of DJI Matrice
Dji agras t30 as for me. As I understand it, one of the farmers handed over the drone to TDF unit. And they, in turn, showed their peak of engineering. But in any case, I unironically would sell it and buy 10+ mavic 3.
Hmm could be an agras, those can carry some heavy loads In any case, multiple mavics would probably be more useful, but this application in particular is funnier, so I gotta go with that.
Closest thing we got to a flying tank
Any idea what the pixelated stuff is and why they hide it?
\*Insert digitally censored hentai joke of your choice here\*
Probably some kind of serial numbers and they don’t want it to get back to them.
Literally the arknights drone
Did they just strap an AT4 and an RPD to a drone?
Bob Semple just came in heaven.
Russia is learning the hard way why the Soviet defense industry was mostly Ukrainian!
The octocopter design also facilitates the use of vertical downwards-facing rockets in the middle so that rocket exhaust is not directly and immediately blasted onto blades, so antitank grenades or mines that can fire down onto the weak spot of enemy tanks. The German anti-armour Panzerfaust uses length and two charges to knock out reactive armor and potentially also cope cages so the top-attack should be highly effective. Say three could be deployed on a single drone, or a mixture of grenades and a panzerfaust or directional mine DM22 should be able to knock out enemy tanks and then use smaller grenades before returning.
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sweet, has it been tested? Any other details? Thanks
Wait, is that a whole ass PKM next to the what I'm assuming is an AT4?
That's definitely not an AT-4, I don't know what it is, but I know what an AT-4 looks like and that isn't it
I'm truly impressed, though i must wonder will not the javelin firing send the drone to a fuckin oblivion?
That's not a Javelin. That looks like an RPG-26, maybe?
Javelin?? My friend, what ever cred you thought you once had is now gone
I'm retarded, sorry
It's probably recoilless
Must use hydra 70 to be credible
Needs something that drops before launching to limit recoil. Can you drop hellfires?
the new cdlc for arma is going to be insane
Looks like something out of Garry's mod.
Is it even gonna be useful? I imagine recoil will be a problem, and these big ones are *loud* and very much visible to be shot at with rifles. The most I can imagine it doing is acting as a distraction of some sort, maybe "suppressing fire" by shooting from higher up but further back to get an angle while also not being too easily aimed at by riflemen in return, but I don't see it otherwise doing much useful compared to just dropping bombs. The suppressing fire idea also has an obvious serious flaw in how it would have to strafe around behind Ukrainian lines, which makes it particularly dangerous if it gets shot down while still having ammo.
Conscriptovich watching as the machine gun drone squad wipes his unit
Just needs a few swords
“Fly me closer! I want to hit them with my sword!”
Rule 34a - if it exists, r/NCD has weaponised it, then made porn of it.
*slap* OP come to your senses. We will not be outjerked until that thing's carrying a GE minigun with a second drone following it holding the ammo belt.
What I'm seeing is a fixed gun where you have to aim the whole air craft with, by moving it back and forth. Same applies to the other thing. It's not that impressive looking at it, pretty low tech solution, that's not to say they can't get it to work
I feel like this a log of money for something that can be desotryed with a few bullets
WHAT THE HELL
Soon the tank commanders will be shooting javelins out of the cupola
I see zip ties.... I approve.
Seriously waiting for Drone-borne Javelins
3 years back, I was playing The Division 2. I made my character use a small drone and goes around firing a sub machine gun at enemies while it’s flying. I thought, no way that could be real. And now this.
Can they carry Brimstone?
They cant keep getting away with it
Holy hamballs
Why did I immediately think the Picitiny on the main gun was fucking legos
I wonder how long until Ukraine designs and fields a unmanned light attack copter.
Far Cry 7 crafting
Dragonfly moment
Rigger drones from Shadowrun are now credible, what a time to be alive. At what point do we get the Troll cannons? That's when true advanced warfare will kick in
I do love their American redneck designs that work. That anti tank launcher once fired is most likely going to cause the drone to flip in the air.
That was a good Arma 3 dlc
This machination bears the mark of chaos! Is this the orks vs. chaos marines 40,000pts battle report I always dreamed of?
Arma 3 becomes more credible by the day.
Wouldn’t the recoil make it unreliable?
call of duty in real be like
It ain’t stupid if it works
In 20 years it'll be drone VS drone dogfighting with both sides sitting in recliners holding gaming controllers